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Kamala Harrison, Tim Walls hard launch, conservatives are furious about tampons, and Charlemagne's The God is here to talk about Kamala's race.
Spoiler alert, She's black.
So let's get into it with another edition of Indecision twenty twenty four. Yesterday, Kamala Garrison owns her vice presidential pick is Tim Walls, Minnesota governor and guy who.
Just found a quarter behind your ear.
And last night she took her shiny new running mate out for a spin at a rally in Philly.
Violent crime was up under Donald Trump. That's not even counting the crimes he committed.
Okay it with me. We aren't going back. Were aren't going back in Minnesota.
We respect our neighbors and their personal choices that they make, even if we wouldn't make the same choice for ourselves.
There's a golden rule. Mind your own damn business.
Whoa a Minnesota and saying damn, that's spicy. But if you watch this rally, it's clear Democrats are in a much happier place than they were a few weeks ago. They're like, why did my hands keep banging together like a seal? Are the corners of my mouth going up? Why am I sick? Even I felt it? And I'm dead inside? And part of this is that Tim Walts creates excitement because he's.
A new main character.
It's like when you've had the same mailman for twenty years and then a new guy comes around and you're like, you know, this time, I'm gonna learn.
This guy's name.
Right.
What can I say? I'm a good person.
So the point is this energy is great for Democrats and terrible for Republicans, which is why they spend all day trying to find an angle of attack on Tim Walls. And I'm open to hearing it. I don't want to be partisan, So Republicans, I'd like to hear a serious critique from one of your sharpest minds.
Let's bring in Scott Shelladay this morning.
What do you think of Walts at the vice presidential pig?
Scott, I'm gonna guess this guy's response is moo.
I mean, let's give him a chance. Let's give him a chance.
He might have a very valid critique of Tim Wallas's policies.
Let's hear him out. Let's hear hm out.
What do you think of Wals as the vice presidential pick Scott.
Look story, he's not a serious candidate, all right? Not serious? Huh? I agree.
I hate having to listen to unseerious people, you know, it really pulls my utters. Look, here's a rule of thumb. You're not allowed to talk about being serious if you have to milk your clothes before putting them up. Now, to be fair, there aren't real policy issues Republicans have been hitting Walls on, like helping undocumented immigrants get healthcare and his reaction to the George Floyd protests. But they just can't resist a story like this.
He supports putting tampons in the boys' bathrooms for kids as young as the fourth grade.
He says Republicans are weird, Yet this is the governor who put tampons in the boy's bathroom.
A nickname for Tim Walls is tampon Tim. Tampon Tim. We need to introduce tampon Tim to the world. Tampon Tim. Tampon Tim.
That sounds like a fictional character parents tell their daughter about when she gets her first period. You know, like, look, look what tampon Tim left under the Saint Honey super Plus overnights. You've got your mom's flow and we couldn't be prouder. But basically what happened is that Walls passed a law that put free tampons in all public schools, including boys bathrooms. With all due respect to tampon Tim, I really just don't care about this. You know, best
case scenario, a trans kid gets tampons. Worst case the weird kid in class puts them up his nose and pretends to be a walrus, which is also best case scenario. Personally, as someone who was a thirteen year old old boy, it doesn't matter what you put in that bathroom, whatever it is, they're gonna draw penis on it. They're gonna rip it off the wall and try to flush it down the toilet. It's either that or go to geography, and I'm not gonna waste my time with that anyways.
Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota, which is the capital of Alaska, doesn't seem to be overtly problematic, which is why Republicans are accusing him of hiding something.
This is a guy who hides behind his flannel jacket, but he's actually a wolf.
In sheep's clothing who cannot be trusted.
A progressive in sheep's clothing. Governor Waltz is a socialist in sheep's clothing.
He's a freak in sheep's clothing. He's a freak.
He's a freak in sheep's clothing. That's ridiculous. Not like cow's clothing that's normal. But a sheep, what a freak? Yeah, I'm it's so good, by the way, isn't sheep's clothing just like a wolf's letter. I love wearing sheep's clothing. In the fall, I can make so many more cute outfits. Yeah, senior portraits here on High eight. But yes, Tim Walls maybe a former football coach, a hunter, a guy who
looks like he has his own homemade dry rub. But Republicans are saying, don't be fooled by the moderate vibes. Tim Walls is a secret communist, and nobody is more on board with this line of attack than Donald Trump himself.
He's a very very liberal man. If you want to know the truth, he's probably about the same as Bernie Sanders. He's probably more so than Bernie Sanders. She is more so than Bernie Sanders. Has never been a ticket like this. This is a ticket that would want this country to go communist immediately, if not sooner, immediately.
If not sooner, there's no sooner. That's what makes it immediately.
If you tell someone you want something sooner than immediately, they're gonna be late because they're going to waste their time thinking what kind of idiot says immediately if not sooner. By the way, yeah, by the way, when Joe Biden rambled like this, all of us were like, this man is obviously senile. But now that he's dropped out, it's becoming more obvious that Trump's brain isn't exactly in great shape either, and he.
Should get that looked at immediately, if not sooner. For more.
For more on the Republican reaction to Walls, we go live to Troy, Iwata, Troy, Troy. It seems like Republicans are still trying to figure out how to attack Tim Walls.
No, I think they figured it out.
Tim Walls is a communist Sheep, a radical left wing Marxist socialist who is also a s.
Okay, so Republicans think Kamala should have picked a more moderate VP like Josh Shapiro.
No, he is also a communist, a Marxist communist coach, sure, Sheep. He's exactly the type of socialist that Democrats love to pick instead of blue collar heartland people like Tim Walls.
Well, Troy, they did pick Tim Walls.
I know it was a big mistake picking that Marxist socialist.
I'm sensing a pattern here. It seems like Republicans just label every Democrat as a communist. I mean, what if her VP pick was Captain America, the.
Guy who fought Hitler like Joseph Stalin. Sounds like a communist to me.
What about mister peanut.
Okay, every peanut is the same same color, same shape, same taste, communist.
What about the Geico gecko, anyone.
That sells insurance as a communist, it's a shared risk. The gecko from State Farm, Limu, EMU and Doug all communists. Okay, And don't even get me started on Flow from Progressive. Okay, she's progressive and her name is Flow. She is definitely putting tampons in boys bathrooms?
So what about what about Pepa Pig? What about Pepa Pig.
That pig in a red dress who teaches kids about sharing as a communist?
Uncle Sam?
You know who Sam is the uncle to?
Now say dong?
Come on, look it up, it's on my substack, Troy?
Aren't these attacks? Are these attacks getting old?
Republicans do this every Democratic candidate.
Can't they find something new to say?
It's not the Republican's fault that everyone who doesn't agree with them in all of history has been a communist?
Michael.
Okay, if they picked a normal person, Republicans would call them normal.
All right here here? What if the Dems say their VP is Donald Trump? Donald Trump?
You mean com free money during COVID, best buds with Putin married to an Eastern European.
Troy, Troy, come on, not everyone is a communist. What about you and me? Wake up? Costa?
You and me work at comedy Central. I No, I'm not a communist. You're not neither, am I? Comrade bink binc?
Troy? Awanta? Everybody? I mean, when we come back, Charlemagne m Good is joining us.
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We all know I've got great opinions, but I'm not the only one. Studies show that other people also have opinions. So here with another installment of in my opinion is our good friend Charlemagne the God.
Hey, now, if you've been following the presidential election, you've probably heard the news that there's a DEI candidate in the race. That's right, that's right, those identity of sess. Democrats picked someone just because of their race, Enginder.
Tim Watz was a balancing choice for her. He's white, he's male.
We do know that they wanted to get a white male in the ticket, so he's going to be that one. Here's a really important one.
He's an old white dude.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes. Thanks to affirmative action, there is an old white guy on the Democratic ticket for the first time, for the first time.
In about seventeen days.
Okay, I'm glad white men are finally getting that moment in the sun.
Just to make sure to wear.
Enough stf All right, now you all know what's really going on. According to Republicans, Tim Walls isn't the DEI higher because to them, every letter in DEI actually stands for the same thing, black black, black, which means the real DEI candidate is Kamala Harris.
She's a diversity hire.
Of course, she's a DEI higher.
She was a DEI, an incompetent diversity higher.
This woman, this disaster, whose early qualification was having a vagina and the right skin color.
That's right, having dark skin in a vagina is an instant path to.
The Oval office.
All Right.
If you don't believe me, take it up with Ronald Reagan's black pussy. Listen, man, this argument is so stupid to me. If being a woman or a minority with the golden ticket to get in the head in politics, and President Andrew Yang would have already done universal basic income, and President Kanye West would have already changed the national.
Anthem to gold digger.
Okay, I mean, I've looked at pictures of the last forty six presidents, and it sure seems like there's one identity in particular that gives you a leg up.
White man, I'm just saying.
Donald Trump would not have gotten the job if his first name was Donelle. All Right, He'd be evicted himself. He'd be evicted himself from his own apartments before his career could begin. But for the sake of argument, let's suppose Kamala was given a chance because of her identity. She still had to do something with it on her own. And Kamala has done a great job as vice president. Remember that one big thing she did? Me and neither Okay, And that's exactly what you want in a VP, someone
who doesn't make the news. A VP is like a carbon monoxide detective. You want to have one, but if it makes any noise, something's going something's gone wrong.
Okay.
In fact, in fact, the last time I remember a vice president doing anything that made the news, it was.
This vice president of Dick Cheney apparently broke the number one rule of hunting this weekend when he accidentally shot a friend in the face.
Yeah yeah, yeah, accidentally, just like he accidentally invaded the wrong country after nine to eleven. Yeah, now that I think about it, Dick Cheney made the news a lot.
Don't be like Dick Cheney.
And this is yet another weird thing about Republicans. They always say that liberals are obsessed with race, but they're the ones who can't stop thinking about it. They had a blank slate to build a narrative around Kamala Harris, and they immediately went eighteen sixty on us because they got black on the brain. And Republicans aren't only saying Kamala is too black, they're also saying she's not black enough.
Earlier in her career she identified as South Asian.
Now she is considered an African American woman.
Is she black?
Is she Indian?
Nobody knows Pamala's Indian, black heritage, or whatever it is she wants to be today.
One year she's black, the next year she's of South Asian descent.
She was Indian all the way, and then all of a sudden she made a turn and she went she became a black.
Just to be clear, I don't know if you noticed or not, but you can be both.
Yeah, and I.
Don't want to break your brains. But two isn't even the most racist a person can be. Yeah, Bruno Mars is the most racist a person can be.
And we know what's going on here.
All of these attacks are the pink Kamala as just one big phony.
Going to Georgia two days ago and putting on a fixed Southern accent when you were raised in Canada.
Whoa So wait, she's faking being black and she's Canadian. Well, that's the worst thing you can call somebody.
This year, Drake, And it's been a rough hair for Drake.
And if I were a white Republican, I'd be a little worried about Democrats flipping this on me. If Republicans are appointing themselves the black police, dims could become the white police, because not all whites or maga whites. You got kombucha whites, you got cargo short whites, you got Stanley Cup whites, both kinds of Stanley Cup, hockey and beverage. You've even got whatever kind of white Jojoe c Why is white people around the country watch that clip like she not like us?
She not like us.
But honestly, I'm not even mad at Republicans from bringing up Kamala's race. They've got a job to do and they're doing it the only way they know how. The real bullshit is the media for hearing the Republican talking points and treating it like it's a real story. The vice president's racial identity has.
Been in the news.
Identity heritage is newly injected into the race. Why is foreimer President Trump question with vice president's racial identity.
Talk about racial identity dominated the headlines.
The claims about Vice President Harris's identity will probably make the most headlines.
What do you mean these claims will make the most headlines, CNN, MSNBC, ABC. You're the ones who decide what the headlines are.
Okay.
These issues don't make headlines unless.
You put it in the headline.
And none of these issues should be a headline.
If a guy came up to me on the street saying the vice president is a chameleon, she can transform from Indian to black, I sat it. I'd be like, well, God bless you, sir. Here's two dollars.
I gotta go.
Okay, right, media, if you need headlines, it's not like it's a shortage of important issues in this election. You got immigration, you got the economy, you got reproductive rights, the best place to dispose of a road kill bear, cub. Those are things that we need to be talking about, Okay, are maybe spend some time looking at how the GOP is already planning on how to steal the election by
having corrupt state officials refuse to certify the results. Getting corrupt judges to back them up before the whole thing goes to the corrupt Supreme Court that's already annointed Donald trumpet King, so now they can overturn the results of the election to declare him the winner and exchange for new RV.
But hey, man, what do I know?
That's just my opinion?
Or man the guy?
Will we come back?
Barbara McQuaid will be joining me on the show, so don't go away. Welcome back to the Dalla Show.
My guest tonight is the University of Michigan Law School professor, former US attorney, and author of the New York Times bestseller Attack from Within How Disinformation Is Sabotaging America?
Please welcome Barbara McQuaid.
Right, look at this. Look at that.
There's a fist on the cover, coming out of the center of America. And I'm like, is that where the attack is coming from? Is it Nebraska right there?
Yeah?
No, but it is a white, right handed fist. That's where the attack is coming from.
Well, you know where are we in the disinformation in America? What does that mean? What is misinformation? What is disinformation? Yeah?
Well, disinformation is the deliberate use of lies to manipulate people in advance an agenda. Misinformation is kind of its unwitting cousin. We hear something, we think it's true, but it's a lie, and we amplify the claim exponentially.
Disinformation is done on purpose.
Yeah, misinformation is a family member Facebook scrolling repeating something they saw exactly from within. Is this the problem in America now? Is it coming from within? As you say in the book, Is the call coming from within the house?
Yeah, I think it is.
You know, I spent my career as a federal prosecutor prosecuting national security cases each a course on national security law at Michigan Law School, And historically we have thought about information warfare and propaganda is coming from outside our words, from hostile foreign adversaries.
But now we are.
Seeing it, I think, as a political tactic within our own country. So these attacks that we hear about Kamala Harris being a DEI higher, or that you know she recently happened to become black, these are deliberate efforts to stoke division in society.
What are some of the.
Other tactics, because man, as consumer of news and media, I should know what these are.
Yeah.
Absolutely, And there is a list of some of the tactics in the book. But you know, one of them is this idea of declinism. Society is going downhill. Everything's awful, cities in ruins, American carnage.
Sound like a Trump speech.
These are some of the.
Same tactics that Hitler talked about in mindkomf and used in Nazi Germany in the nineteen thirties. And in fact, if you look at the data, you know, crime rates are down, economy is up, all of the indicators are actually on the upswing. And yet if we can talk about this society as being down, then it allows us to say, well, these extreme times call for extreme measures, and people believe these things. It allows scapegoating of other people in society and demonization of others.
One thing that really resonated to me is tribe over truth.
Explain that more to me.
Yeah.
So, one of the things we've seen in our deeply polarized times is that people identify with their political tribe, their team. It's almost like, you know, Michigan versus Ohio State. We care about being loyal to the team.
One of those teams is legit.
Well, that's true, Michigan.
We know, we know that.
But if it all becomes just a sport.
What I just said it was a joke.
But then I realized I probably just perpetuated this thing you're talking about.
But loyalty to the team becomes more important than truth, and that just doesn't work.
And it's democracy.
We will never resolve anything if all we care about is advancing our team winning, dunking on our opponents. And that's what politics has become, this idea that I'm going to go along with the con even if I believe that it's not true.
So you know, stop the steal.
Wrong prop the steal. One thing that really resonated with me was, and I didn't think about it, was the use of nostalgia.
Man, I'm a sucker for that.
Sure, you know me too.
Yeah, And you say in here, if you've ever seen a car commercial or I like, you know, the fonts, I always find myself gravitating doors, a font that reminds me of a simpler time in my life. Our authoritarian politicians using nostalgia this.
Way absolutely, because all of us love that, right, I mean, good basis, baseball, hot dogs, apple pie. Right, you know, for me, when I think about nostalgia, my childhood I think about the happy times.
It was nineteen sixty eight, right.
War was raging in Vietnam. We have assassinations of our leaders. But in my little world, everything was wonderful. So when I see you know, a backyard barbecue with you know, families in their Bermuda shorts, that all makes me feel
happy and warm and safe. And so yes, utilizing nostalgia as a way to bring you in and say we're the party that's going to make you safe because we're preying on your fear, and so if we can bring you back to that idea of tradition and nostalgia, we can make you feel safe.
We talk about Trump in here, but is it just one side that's doing this? Is it everybody? Is it both sides?
I don't like to both sides.
When it is one, I would say that it is a tactic that can be used by anybody. And so that's why I really wanted to write this book and raise awareness of these tactics so that people can see it regardless of who's pushing it. But at this moment in history, I do believe that it is the far right branch of the Republican Party that is most responsible for trafficking in lies.
Yeah, yeah, what.
What can we do in a bigger sense?
And what can I do, Michael, Let's start with the bigger sense.
What can we do as a country?
Yeah, So I think there are a number of things we can do in terms of reforms. So social media certainly is a place where lots of disinformation is spewed. We have power like we've never had before, and I think there are regulations that we can take that could help stem the tide. Sometimes when I say that, I hear you want to censor America. You hate the First Amendment, And the answer is no. I'm a big advocate for
the First Amendment and free speech. But I think if we look at process over content, we can find ways to have some common sense reforms. So, for example, the algorithms that are deliberately designed to stoke outrage because that keeps us online and that sells more ads, and that's more money for the platforms. I think if we could control the way our private data is taken so that we can be micro targeted, that is something that we could regulate.
I mean, disinformation is pretty profitable, no, I mean, you know a podcast about conspiracy theories a lot of people listen to, you know, podcasts like mine, the Tennis Anyone podcast with Michael Costa talks more about life and tennis. There's not really a question there, Barbara. That was just me wanted to quition. But when I okay, this weekend, I've grabbed my phone talking about social media. The first thing I see was trans boxer makes her opponent defaults,
and I go, holy shit, that's a crazy headline. And then you kind of and I come to work on Monday and you start unpacking.
It's like, that's not at all what this was. So what can we do? You know?
That's I think I have my head on straight. I think I can figure out a fact from fiction. But that's it's it's very deceiving. What can you do at home, if you're watching with your family, if your kids are there, how can we teach them to decipher this stuff?
Yeah, and you know, this is the kind of lie that I think is difficult to stop. Because of our First Amendment, people have a right to say things even that aren't true. I think one of the things we can do is improve our own media literacy. So as a country, we could teach it in schools, we could teach it to adults th civic organizations. But there are some best practices that we can do to help us build resilience against that kind of false claim.
And the reason.
People use that is, of course, people who want to divide us, people who traffic and disinformation, exploit an opportunity. They say, oh, here's a chance to really stick it to the LGBTQ community. Right, so I'm going to really stoke this and get people all amped up. But there are things we can do. One is reading with a critical eye, you know, not just the tweet that someone with you know, they usually have a handle like you know, Patriot Girl, right or.
Something like that.
Probably not a real person, probably a Russian, you know, sitting in a boiler room somewhere who just says, you know, I hate it when men beat up on girls or something like that. Find some credible news outlets like The Daily Show or some learn about the background. What is the basis for people saying that this is not a woman, And in fact you will read that she was born a woman, she grew up a woman, She has always
competed as a woman. She has never once claimed to be tried to be in any way as a man, and so these claims are really made out of whole cloth. And so I think that if we educate ourselves in that way by doing a little bit of homework, skeptical exactly, and be a critical thinker. Just don't accept at face value what you read the.
Yeah you clap, you.
Crap, but you better do it. You better do it.
You better not sit on the kitchen table. I'm I all scroll on Facebook and just repeating everything you say.
We better all do it.
The First Amendment is this amazing special amendment that we have that two hundred and sixty years ago the forefathers wrote down.
But man, has it got us in a world of shit? Sometimes? Huh?
Is there a way to reframe it so we think about it differently? Are you allowed to say whatever you want whenever you want?
What I mean?
I just I found it so interesting when you talked in here about how America is particularly susceptible to disinformation.
Explain that against me.
Yeah, Well, it is because of our cherished First Amendment rights. And I think everybody does cherish it, whether you're on the right or the left. It is the First Amendment that allows us to speak out against our government. But I think sometimes people use that as license to say everything they want to say, and just because you can doesn't mean you should.
It is also the case.
That like all other amendments, like the Second Amendment and every other right we have in the Constitution, it is not unlimited.
The Supreme Court has said the Bill of Rights is.
Not a suicide pact, and we can't have reasonable limitations on things. You know, there's a doctrine called strict scrutiny that says limitations are permissible if there's a compelling governmental reason and the limitation is narrowly tailored to achieve that interest. So, for example, you can't threaten to kill somebody online. It turns out that's frowned upon crime.
Good. You can't got that one right.
You can't commit perjury, right, that's free speech, but you can't say that. You can't yell fire in a crowded daily shows.
Don't do that. We'll try that.
So there are some limitations, but I really think that the best response to bad speech is more speech or better speech and labeling of speech.
You know.
One of the things I'm most concerned about that's coming down the pike is AI generated this information. You know, there's this ad going around now, ad going around now with you know, Kamala Harris in her own voice saying things disparaging to herself. And so how do we combat that? You know, people can create it, people create satire and that. But I think labeling is a way for us. You know,
more speech is the response. Labeling so people know that the ad was generated with AI or it's something satire or party.
I think is the best way to address.
That because I wouldn't want to do anything that that cuts back on our First Amendment rights.
When you read the book, so much of what I was reading was going, oh my god, yeah now that makes sense.
Oh yeah, that speech makes sense. Oh yeah. So it's very helpful.
And I say every three to four years, Americans should have to get some media literacy license and there's gonna be some required reading.
I mean, you need a license to drive, and then.
If you get in an accident, you might have to get your license again. So we should get a license to free speech. And I'm just spitballing here. And then if you have a speech accident, you shift to.
Thank you for writing this book. It's a great book.
Attack from Within is available now and check out our podcast hashtag Sisters in Law Barbara McQuaid, and you take a quick break.
You're right back after this.
Thank you very much, thank you.
That's our show up for tonight out here. It is your moment of ze.
Like all regular people I grew up with in the Heartland, JD studied at Yale, had his career funded by Silicon Valley billionaires, and then wrote a bestseller trashing that community. Come on, and I gotta tell you, I can't wait to debate the guy, that is, if he's willing to.
Get off the couch and show up. So you see what I did there.
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