D.L. Hughley On Tyre Nichols & Fox News's Reaction To The Released Video | Ibram X Kendi & Nic Stone

one foot you still dancing that song. We don't even care alright, of course, Uh, we have a lot that we need to talk about, so we're gonna get right to it. Um so I'm sure I meany of you heard by now that, um, a young black man in Memphis was pulled over by the police, and we all saw how it went down. For the first time, we are seeing the violent arrest of Tyree Nichols. What began

as a traffic stop quickly turned violent. As captured on multiple videos released tonight by the City of Memphis, officers are seeing pulling nickels out of the car. They used pepper spray and to play your tasor during a struggle. Then for roughly three minutes, officers are seeing repeatedly kicking and punching Nickels while he was handcuffed as Nichols on the ground, bloodied and bruised. Several minutes go by without any of the officers administering first aid. Nichols died in

the hospital three days later. Is it a shocking video? Yes? Shocking? You know you know who wasn't shocked by that? Black people? Dude? I do, No, we were like, we were not like it, just like I think that is a word Whould thought about, lexicon because the one thing we were not to you see black people sitting around Can you believe they beat the ship out of another nigga on TV? Can you

believe it? Because that is pretty commonplace for us. The only people who are probably shocked by this and people who haven't been paying attention. But for us, that's just like a flashbag. So those videos are like so commonplace, it's it's hard to be shocked. That's like watching a porno and saying he's gonna stick that where ain't no where in hell that's gonna fit. I mean, I don't know, I'm just making point I don't watch porn or let's

get let's stick with the story. All right, let's um it is not shopping to black people, because that is probably every black parents nightmare. It's like, uh, that's why we train our children to to deal with police. We we act like they're going on safari or something like, don't make a sudden news annoys, don't make any sudden move, don't smile, don't run, so you can't be shocked when the media, also the media that's been a whole week

prepping us for the video. They told us how vitent it was gonna be, to be, to be real, that video got more pro than I did for this show. It's like I didn't. I didn't. I haven't seen a TV show that anticipated sin to remake a night Cord. They weren't playing around. It was like they were rolling out a new movie release, brought to you from the people that bought you, George Floyd and Rodney King. Um, I can tell tell you what I did find shocking

was how fast those cops got arrested. Now, they got arrested so fast they didn't give us time to write, Like I'm like, nam, then what am I gonna do it. This all this gasol, and I gotta pour it back in the lire. It's just because, you know, usually it takes a considerable amount of time. More like usually when they tell us a cop got indicted, a reporters wiping tear gas out of eyes. So it's um And it's just interesting because they did get arrested fast. And I

just these cops got arrested so fast. I gotta wonder why. I don't know, there's something about them that looks fast arrest worthy, Like I can't put my finger on it, but I want to arrest them myself. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they get their haircut at the same place. I don't know. I can tell. What did scare me is that no one could tell us what Tyree could have done to stop this from happening.

I mean, usually you hear people saying, uh, he should have followed orders, but they gave him seventy one different orders in thirteen minutes, so not even Wendy's can turner order around. That got damn. And then they gave orders that didn't make any sense, like telling them get on the ground when he was already on the ground, Like, I don't know how they do it the Memphis but where I'm from the ground is as low as you

can go. That's it, um. But you know it is a complex issue, and I know it helps me whenever I'm delving into a complex issue that affects black people and I want an expert opinion, what I do is I turn um to Fox News. Do that's I learned how to make gumbo watching that show too, So it's um. It is the reason, um that I found out why cops do bad things in the first place, and it's apparently because people are so mean to them. This is a direct result of is all this to fund the

police stuff? Right? And if you vilify the cops, you'll get less people wanting to be cops. These endless wars on police departments now they have dissuaded a lot of good people from becoming police officers. That's a fact. They've had recruitment problems and they've had retention problems. You can look at the data like I can, and what happens is you wind up getting stuck playing and simple with just bad guys. Mhmm. You think he got in there

as well, right, Like he is. But the great thing about it is that got a guy from Fox and say they are bad cops. I got him to agree with Antifa. See that's I mean that one day and I'm changing it already. It's going great. But there's one guy on Fox News and this dude came up with something that I gotta tell you, I really did not see it coming. Look like gang violence. To me, it looked like what young black men do when they're supervised by a single black woman. And that's what they got

going on in the Memphis police department. They've elected some uh put some black woman in charge of the police force, and we're getting the same kind of chaos in disunity and violence that we see in a lot of these cities that are run by single mothers. What the is he talking about? Funny me, So it is it is single black mothers that at a problem. So wait a minute, Um, all of these cops, uh, all of them, they had single black mothers do And by the way, those are

the images that came up when I google good cops. Um. If Jason Whitlock pruds anything is that you do not have to be white tabe black people. Um, And I can understand. How can we expect Jason to see the plight of black people when this dude can't even see his own dick. So uh, I'm d hug. You know I was gonna do a dick joke on common since you will stop stop all right for more on this story, I'm gonna to be joined by Roy Wood Jr. What can you uh? Hello, he just he just say, just

just disagree with the paying speaking too. It didn't come to me. I'm sorry. Let's not let a dick come between us. It's crazy. What can you tell me about the police officers they committed this attack. Here's the thing. Deal, first and foremost, they're not just any police officers. They were actually part of an elite unit within the department with the special focus on violent crime. That elite unit that was elite. Yeah, it was like in the whole

idea of an elite unit. It's already kind of weird, right, Like shouldn't the whole police force already be elite? I mean, you already got guns, you know what. It's like this because it's like when you get on the plane and the flight attended to tell you, oh, well, you're lucky to day this is one of our elite pilots one who the hell who'll find this ship before? Man? But there's something even wider about this elite unit, and that's in the name of this elite unit. They were actually

called the Scorpion. The Scorpion to that acronym you don't don't you know the police they love the acronyms, and Scorpion stands for street crimes operations to restore peace in our neighborhoods. Scorpion. And I don't know about you, but as a rule of thumb, no police unit should be named after a Mortal Kombat character. I agree. You can't name a unit Scorpion, because once you give him a name like Scorpion, it don't matter what they're even there for.

They're gonna be violent with the ships. You can have a police unit that only does paperwork, but if you call them Scorpions, they're gonna be swooping in and whipping asked what w two forms? Anyway? Agree? And this is the other thing, man, It's not that hard for the police to name a unit after something other than a deadly animal. You ain't got the name every union after Daily out of mus easy just to watch this. Watch

this securing neighborhoods alongside kind enforcement. That's peaceful. Ain't that snake? Don't don't interrupt me. I'm still thinking that didn't give me a set? What about this? And what about this? And this is a peaceful idea securing homes and rescuing kids with orderly, lawful functionality. That's good, sharp woolf damn. Okay, okay, okay, just something I forget acronyms. Forget acronyms. We can do one. The police shooting this peaceful con gentle enforcement needs officers

carefully inspecting downtown elements. Don't you want us need to finish the weak man? This genocide? Okay? All right, well then just just forget the names. Here. Here's an idea, dear, here's an idea. Police got all these elite units. How about the police form an elite unit that's specifically trained to not kill black people. That's the unit. That's all I mean. It broke talking six months of bootcap learning how to identify black people, identify when our hands are up,

identifying what compliant looks like, all of it. I bet you could do that. If you did all of that, you could drop the killings of black people by as much just just hey, that's elite to me. We gotta start somewhere. Thank you so much for Roary. Would you and your everybody all right when we come back, I'm gonna talk to the attorney representing Tyreck Guy made Nicola's family, So do not go away, all right. Welcome back to the Daily Show. Uh, my first cast as an attorney

who's representing the family of Tyree Nichols. Please put your hands together for Ben Crump. How are you? I'm good? Good? How you doing? Fred? You're good, I'm good, Fred. Other than this situation out of all the time, like usually you called me, I think it's Tuesday, and whenever I hear from you, I know it's bad news. Like you never called you one of a lot of I had

a baby shower and nothing like that. It's always. But you told me about it because my driver happened to be Tyree's uh stepfather, and he had told me about it previously, and so it struck me differently because I know Rodney and I remember when he moved to Memphis, UM, and I knew that you were on the case. I

was I was certain that something positive would happen. Do you think that the fact that the officers were erected arrested so swiftly is an the cater of things that are getting better, or that just we got five black people, so we're gonna arresting real fast. You know, that's an interesting question, dear here. But I think when you look at the fact that they all black officers, it's seen to be that this move offless swiftly what I mean,

very fast, very fast, very fast. The police chief David said it was important that they take swift action, that they moved swiftly. To Justice Dale. She said that because this video was so clear that the community needed to see that. And so I said to myself, they got fired, arrested, and cha in less than twenty days. So this is

the blueprint going forward. Dr Huguely, they cannot say anymore to us whether the cop is black or white when you see them on video commitment crime using excessive force against us, that it takes six months, that it takes a year. No, you can't tell us that any more. Comes We're gonna say, you remember those five black police officers are mempor y'all arrested them immediately. Um, what I do find interesting is that I know that you have tried to, you know, do what you can in terms

of police reform. But let me tell you congress Congressman Jim Jordan, he said, and I think meet the press, that he's not sure that any law, any training, or any reform could have stopped what happened to Tyree Nichols. So that sounds like a set up to not do anything. Um Um, I'm tired of hearing about rotting apples. We gotta start looking at the trees and the soil of the trees grow on if if if the premise, if

the premise has already nothing could have stopped that. That sounds a lot like their approach on guns is we might keep everything the same because nothing will stop. Yeah, you know, Dal, it really is troubling when they continue to see all this evidence that we have a problem with the culture of policing in America. One of the questions I was often asked was where they're black officers,

are you surprised what they did? And I said no, because the race of the police officer isn't the determining factor of whether they're going to commit excessive use of force, But it is the race of the victim, and it's often black and brown people who bear the police brutality. I mean, dear, we don't see videos of our white brothers and sisters who are unarmed facing this kind of

excessive use of force. I'm waiting to see those videos because how often there have we seen, you know, Eric Gardner in New York get choked the first I can't breathe case, then out to Sterling down in Baton Rouge Louise Anna, then Pamela Turner, the sister outside of Houston who was having a mental health crisis, and the police came in quire McDonald, what is the incentive in the way in Chicago got shot sixteen times? But what is their incentive to stop? Because what happens is police officers

who kill black people get a pay vacation. Then they come back, they have they have go fund me accounts, Then they say police departments need to be uh, they need to be retrained, so they get more money. So there's no real incentive to make subsitive change when nothing really severe. And what police they'll tend to do is they'll get rid of the police officers and say, now

everything we can start at ground zero. Everything's changed, and I don't see anything that has changed that that is so remarkable that that it would it would leave me to believe that these are going to be changes that are resident what we're deal We're making some progress. Uh, we need to make a lot more, but we're making some progress. Because you know what a deterrent to them

killing us unjustly is. As Reverend Hell and I always talk about if they have to do the perp walk, if they're being convicted and sent into prison like Derek Chauvin and those officers who killed George Floyd, if we have more police officers saying that, well, just like you think about white people, you de escalate, fine, because you know, if you shoot a white person in the back, oh you're going to prison. But if you shoot a black

person in the back, maybe not. Because it's like a cliche almost dale black men running away and they say, oh, I feel in fear of my life. How can you feel in fear of your life when the person running away from you? It's less. I say I say this all the time the most day, and just play for black people living in the imagination, why people it is the most dangerous, that's the most dangerous addressed to happen you. Um, one of the things that you will always happen, Investor,

I got I gotta say this, dear. Isn't it funny how conspicuously silent the police union is? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, ye, hey man, you took the words out of my mouth. I'm hosting the show, not you. Then I want to make this point every time you have a conversation about policing, and invariably somebody would feel the need to go but not all policemen are bad. We're talking about the ones that are. Um. I wish that somebody would make that point on the other side, that not all black people

are bad. Like that's that's no one ever, no one ever says I would never, I would never make the accusation that all of anything is bad. But people when they say black on black crime or high crime rors, they are really painting everybody with one brian brush and saying these people can't be trusted. They live that same way. So even the mentality that we speak about these things has to change. Yeah, and we have to quit making

excuses for police killing us unjustifiably. I hear so many of my white friends say, well, if they would only comply, Tyree Nichols couldn't have been more compliant. Yeah, I mean you think about how they try to justify blaming the victim when we see video at the video off the video, Hey, how about we say the person who actually killed the person is the blame and let's stop it there. You're right they have a weird notes and of compliance. Because I didn't see any of that on January six, I

didn't think any of them were complying. I didn't any of that time. Um, but let me just kick I killed you around. I get around with you a lot. But I will say this, it's the first time I've ever talked to you that I got scared. You sounded so exhausted. I've never heard a black man's seth so weary, like just exhaust So you gotta make sure that you're around to make sure you are right. And thank you Dale and Uh. I appreciate the prayers. Brother. I will

say this what I am praying for. Tyree Nichols mother has been dealing with this tragedy with such grace. She said, I believe that my son was sent for an assignment and now he's back up in heaven with God because he's completed. That's assignment. She said, that's the only way I can cope with this tragedy. It's the only way I can keep waking up. And she said, because I have to believe a greater good is gonna happen for

this senseless death of my son. And so I am praying that the President Biden, who we to, will listen to us when we say, let's marshaton United States Senate back in to uh session and reconvene with Senator Schumer and Senator to Booker, and then let's get congress Woman Sheila Jackson lead the brain the bill back up in the House of Representatives, the George Floyd Justice and police in that and let's keep fighting because we cannot let her prayers go in vain out. A greater good has

to come out of this. And I know they're gonna say, well, they're not gonna do anything, but we have to strike a match rather than curse the darkness. We got to go to the mayor, do it on the local level. We got to do it with the state level. If we can't get to the federal government. We got to win the battles we can, because every battle we win might just save your child's life. There you go, brand, I am you epitomized perseverance. I'm proud of you, man.

You make me so proud. Attorney Ben Crump um Merce Laurel for Mercial Law. All right, we're gonna take a really quick break and we're gonna be right back after this. Welcome back to the Daily Show. Um, it's such a great artist, y'all must be union Jesus. Uh. This is uh my next two guests. They have collaborated on a new book for young readers called How to Be a Young Anti Racist? Once you please welcome Dr Ibraham ex Kindy and Nick Stone. Yeah. Um, so how to be

a Young Anti Racist. That means you're already banned in Florida. So it's funny when we talk about race because we live in a country that, um, the Congress has in it voted for June tenth view but where the same Nations is don't want to talk about slavery. They will have Martin Luther King and Robert E. Lee Day on the same days. So I think when it comes to racism, I think that a lot of people believe that if they're not actively saying the N word or doing their

same bigger than things. That means they're not racist. So how can we start a conversation about being anti race when you're not quite sure how to quantify racist? We are, but I don't think a lot of people are. And I think that's that's the very point, because if you're not doing anything to challenge all of the unjust this and all of the inequity in our society, then what happens It persists, So therefore you're reinforcing it. So therefore

you're being racist. And so we're encouraging people to actively try to dismantle us the structure, including young people. But what what is their incentive? Like, what would they be nick? What is there If this system is working for you or not, It doesn't cause you anywhere when you can sleep at night, why would you want to change the system? It doesn't It seems to be going just as you intended,

But is it actually working for you? Right? Yes? I think for me, it's all about children, right Like, even though this is a system that might seem like it's working for you, the world is actively changing. If your children are not prepared to live in a world and move to a world that have people that are different from them in positions with power, it's gonna be in trouble, yeah,

But then they try to remake the world. You see that literally where a nation that is run by the flintstones and in the jet sins and the stoles are winning. You you have to understand, I don't believe a lot of people, For instance, I don't believe white people a lot of white people are actively racist. But I do believe that the notions of white supremacists. They don't agree with their methods, but they agree with their goal, which

is to keep white people in charge. And so if that is the premise, then then what incentive, seriously would there be to make these changes that only destabilize what you know works for you. I think one of the things we've been showing and studying racism is that it's actually harming white people too. It's not harming them at the level it's harming people of color, But there are actually white people who are dying of police violence. They're not dying at the level of black and brown people.

But more white people are dying of police violence in this country than other countries. More white people are incarcerated in this country than other countries. More white people are struggling to vote in this country compared to other countries. There were million about poor whites in eighteen sixty whose poverty was directly connected to the enslavement of black people. But I think a lot of white people don't get this. When you pour you you are, you are why that's

why you are like that. I don't think people understand that generally what hurts me hurts you. What is good for me is good for you. And I think that. But there is that thing and uh where where you know people will give their last time to keep things a certain way as long as it hurts you, Like look at what happened with the Obamacare Act. A lot of those people in those poor states are being hurt by that, but they don't care as long as you are.

And but the sense of optimism is in what you said earlier, children, because in children you have not minds there the whole different thing. But um, but in our children we can see the potential of things that we hope to never that we hope we can realize probably never will. So that is angle I think that it's probably substituent yeah, I think when it comes to children, I have two of my own, and it's important for me that they enter a world that they feel empowered

to change, which is why we wrote this book. Right. So Dr Kendy wrote his memoir years ago and I latched onto it, slid into his deers, and asked if I could do a young reader's version, because it's important that young people have the tools. I get so many kids who are asking, well, what do I do, how do I help? What do I change? How can I

get into this fight and do something about it? And so creating a text like how to Be a Young Anti Racist, we're giving them information where they're learning these definitions or learning what racism actually what racism actually is. So racism is a system of ideas. So you have racist ideas and they are basically they're made to keep inequities going right. So the whole purpose of a book like How to Be a Young Anti Racist is to give young people terms that we can all agree on.

That way we know what we're standing against, like racism. Having a term at definition for racism helps them see, Okay, this is what we're trying to fight. Because one of the things that happens is people who have historically been racist refused to define that term, of course, because it wants them to exonerate themselves consistently and constantly. And even young people therefore don't know what it is, so they can't even assess themselves and guide themselves. How would they know.

We have a lot of people who are raised by people who moved out of places that black people are moving into. Right that was that was predicate that we're gonna move out of places that black people are moving into. But those are the people who have the conversation with the people who are now having the conversation with the people, So they don't think the thing that they did was racist. That's that's that's a level of obliviousness that you can't you can't quite quantify it is. And and indeed, I

you know, the heartbeat of being racist is denial. And this denial is consistent and constant and citious. You know, it does give me hope when when I see people like your book beat my book in the New York Times best selling this get say no, I'm just gooding. And and it's interesting because then they came along at the time and you had written a good while back, but it resurfaced when the George Floyd protest was coming on.

They really seemed a moment. Uh. And that seems these inflection points where we can generally people are really open to listen. But the problem is it's so fast. You can only get attention so fast, and then we're onto the next thing. And I think that's that's not even a purposeful I think it's just the function of how

we live. But if you could say a substitutive thing that people could do every day, like in practice every day where they could be an example, because every time somebody says something, if somebody deems hurtful, they automatically stopped. I don't want to hear anymore. I'm tired of this already. We're slavering for one of the years. But Jim crowbing around you like trying to not be a slaver as not. We haven't had to put as much elbow groups into that.

But books like this and having conversations where people don't turn off are really the crux of what we need to be doing. And for young people is so much easier to like it is to learn a language. It's got to be easier to learn a love language, right, it's gotta be easier to learn. And um, what do I because because I get angry, Like when black people do, it's called anger. When white people are doing it's called

write this indignation. But it's really hard to come from a place of anger and try to be trying to cheat somebody something. So I think at least a media owners has to be lowering the temperature and listening, right, yeah, And I mean, look, the book is really all about first turning inward. I think part of the issue is that we don't do a good job of humanizing ourselves. We don't give ourselves the space to be angery, angry,

We don't give ourselves a space to be sad. We don't give ourselves the space to have unpopular opinions, right, like we do. We're all us. But even that you know the fact that you're like, I'm angry, and I don't you know, I don't know how I feel about being angry, Like it makes sense that we're angry. So taking the time to look inward and figure out the

beauty of how to be an anti racist. The adult book was that you get Abraham's whole story where he is very open about the racist ideas that he was holding. So taking that and distilling it down for young people so that they can see, oh dang, this thing that I'm thinking is probably a little racist. We had an event last night in Atlanta and our team moderator that

was the first question she asked us. She was like, I read the book and it pointed out to me all of the ways that I have racist ideas, and it made me feel a way about myself. What am I supposed to do? So then having that self compassion where you can see, Okay, yes I am a product of a racist environment, I probably have some racist ideas.

Taking the time to give yourself some grace, you'll give other people some grace too, And that's how we kind of like get to a point where we're working together. The thing that's so frustrating for me is our our stories tend to start in the middle. Like we were something before this, and our stories seemed to start in

the middle. So and it's just like, even what's going on in Florida, you don't even want us to learn our history, Like there was a time when enslave people couldn't learn and now it's illegal for us to learn

about enslaved people. So it's just and you would have heard that had you not beat me in the New York Times best selling this And I think, I think that we have a lot to learn about how things work and to really have constructive conversations because it's so much more fulfilling to me to shout at somebody, but it doesn't really accomplish anything. And I'm really very proud that you write books like this. And I think the younger you start, I mean, you gotta not be an

anti racist baby. You have the baby's too. You have the baby. What is the baby gonna like? Look, you learn it somewhere you either learn to love people where you learned hatim like, I don't want chocolate milk. I want I'll be young ant color rations and the young anti rators work look available. Now. Okay, we're gonna take

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