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Basketball Feat. Candace Parker & Scoop Jackson | Roy's Job Fair

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On Roy's Job Fair, Comedian Roy Wood Jr. (correspondent on Comedy Central’s The Daily Show with Trevor Noah) explores the human condition every week through the prism of employment. In this episode, WNBA Champion Candace Parker breaks down her WORST & FIRST jobs babysitting and discusses the steps parents should take when raising a gifted athlete. Then Roy sits down with high school basketball prodigy Jaylen Martin who quit his high school team to join a first-of-its-kind FOR PAY basketball/academic institution, Overtime Elite. Jaylen's mom, Kimberly, walks us through the calculations she made as a mother before allowing her son to pursue this alternate path to pro basketball that foregoes not only the NCAA but high school athletics all together. Finally, in the SCAM OF THE WEEK segement, ESPN Press Room veteran Robert "Scoop" Jackson discusses some of the wild goose chases he was sent on during his early days at ESPN. He also details how chasing an NBA dream itself can be a scam if the players aren't focused. Hear all new episode of Roy's Job Fair every Wednesday wherever you get your podcasts. 

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Hey, what's up. Daily Show Ears Edition listeners, It's Roy Wood Jr. Coming to you while the Daily Show is on break. You're about to hear an episode of my podcast, Roy's Job Fair. Now. It's a podcast. All we do is talk about employment and explore the human condition through that lens. The episode you're about to hear is all about the world of basketball Candice Parker who gets paid to play it, esp and Scoop Jackson who gets paid to cover it, and a mother who was raising in

basketball Prodigy. If you like it, don't miss new episodes every Wednesday, and be sure to tell a friend. It's available on I Heart Radio, app, Apple Podcasts and wherever you get your podcast. Stop my podcast. You're listening to Comedy Central now hiring j G. Did you know that there is a shortage of mall Santas this show? I didn't know that. Yes, and even more short black mall Santis. Shout out to Donna Oglesby a listener to find radio

acoustical presentation. UH sent us this to let us know. Ralph, have you ever thought about being a mall Santa? Has that ever been your cup of tea? Now Lyne to strangers, children No, I barely like going into the mall during Christmas because I find during Christmas when people at there at their highest level of asshole. No, people are super nice to me. Well, then j G didn't damn it,

you'd be a black Santa. You always talk about you always talk about glass ceilings, and come on, because I have to take my great niece to see a black Santa. So I'm already preparing myself for when she doesn't want to sit on his lap. He's gonna ask me to sit on his lap. I already know how to stone you're gonna sit. Yeah, that's because I gotta put my niece in my lab so we can get the picture. And then I got to get out of this lab. Yeah, I bet that's what you said. Yeah, you sit down,

I talk about them. Produce to me flowers of your working. Jack will sit the centers, last working. You got the lot we family, Jack, last lab, listen for to do let's working game, but it's working. My name is Roy, this is my job. Then you are so far well, Christmas time here. Jacqueline's all happy to me, and Ralph at under tell when people ain't got kids to tell you they changed, they changed it all. I used to

love Christmas. I still love Christmas. I ain't going fronts, but like now now, now you've got cheerings and you got to do things for other people that are relatives for Christmas that you can't do for yourself. Christmas is what you make it. And also I don't buy gifts, just so we're all aware. I just in that spirit of being nice and having hot cocoa and there's chili on the stove. And wait, wait, hold, wait, okay, you

don't make it. Do you make the gift? Now? So you're just happy for the season, but you don't really give a gift or make a gift. Oh my god, you're the worst. You're the happy aunt that don't bring ship, absolutely nothing but the smile. And I'm like, hi, babies. They also all three of my nephews, they split whatever is left over once my demise happened. Soon they got a point. Wait, so so inheritance is not a Christmas gift. You can't substitute that. I'm not buying them anything. They

know that what the shop? What are you talking about? This jolly Hallmark movie? As spirit? You got it and you don't do the one thing that's the most the most important part of Christmas is the gift I give them me. I'm there, I'm happy, I'm smiling at them. I love them. That's it. I'm not buying them anything, and they know that. The one thing we do do on this show, though, every now and then we have a theme and we've been you know, this is a

good little street kid. We had a couple of Jesus weeks, we had an international run. Man, Now we get to talk about basketball. My favorite sport, skin ball. Best ball is my favorite sport. Third, did you play basketball organized growing up? I tried. I know you get up every day at five thirty in the morning. Please please explain this ship to me and j G because periodically on this podcast, just in passing, you'll go, yeah, I gotta

at five thirty to play basketball. Anyway, let's keep talking about and we never have time to settle in and ask you why the fuck as a grown man, why I'm just as a as a fellow brother in his forties. Why is the tip time five thirty in the morning, Because the gym opens at five and they figured that everybody's gonna be late, so a five fIF team would be too early, so we started. There's a level of dedication that I have to respect with that, because I don't is it the sport of basketball or is it

the camaraderie? Well up here, up here where I'm at now, it's definitely the sport because I felt like I was sitting around becoming a bit of a fatass. And uh and and that literally was what it boiled down to. I needed to play ball. That's what it again asked. What ends up happening, though, is the more you go to end up playing with a bunch of dudes you don't know, is at least knowing each other's names. And for the most part, that's enough. We don't discuss each

other's work. We know that one or two of the people had a kid, but for the most part, the game starts, did you have a kid six years ago? Pass the ball food? Like you know what I'm saying, Like, it's just like that, and uh, so far up here. The only reason that I'm playing so early is because that's the group of guys that I ended up falling in with. Back in d C, I played in what's

called a legacy game like it did. Stories on the guys in the post and everything where you do you pay in to take care of the rent uh of the gym, and you meet up every Wednesday night and you play. And I played with those dudes for almost like twenty years. I never enjoyed playing pickup basketball. I figured out real early on that I do not have the personality for basketball. Basketball. The way you play basketball, I think is extremely reflective of your approach to life

in a lot of ways. If you're taking problems head on, you're challenging people, or if you're a facilitator and you passed the ball to a lot of people. I am out on the wings, passing, doing the dirty work. I'm trying to rebound, I'm trying to box out so somebody else can be great. But it just I don't know.

It was. It was just too competitive. Motherfucker's in your face the whole game, sweating onion ship before I ever drink, before ever smoke, my first high and the first thing to call me down with basketball, And when I played on my first organized team, my father was my coach. Shout out, Ralph Jr. I know you're gonna hear this evil self, but the first time, listen, this is why he was evil. But he was a genius. He's a genius. My dad as a genius. That's like a recipe for

disaster coaching his son. It's either rate or terrible. There's doing. So the first team we played on we was in Fort Gordon, and uh, the first time I scored a basket in the game, I celebrated like I was playing NFL football. I spiked the ball which gave the other team a point and they scored, but I was still dancing, and then came back scored another point, and so my

father bench that team went on. The team went on to win the championship for that season, and I never played again and my dad said, Tam, yeah my team, And my dad said, I said her, Dad, well, why why didn't I get back in? He was like, because this wasn't for you. He was like, if you wouldn't have celebrated, you know, And so like for years, for years, I played basketball to try and prove to my dad

that basketball was indeed for me. And it wasn't until I got old enough to kind of realize all of the politics and all the other stuff that was going on. I was like, Damn, this male was a genius. I should have quit this ship like three years ago. But you know, I literally tried to play basketball for years just to prove to my pots that I could play. And let's just to be real. I was in Virginia when you had Alan iverson Grant Hill. Both of my cousins played down the street and they were all world

so you know, I wanted to play. But eventually I learned that I was very very good at speech, because that's the that was I want to stay title in speech, and that's what made me quit playing basketball. And I was like this this I'm at least I'm winning and this ship like I can't make the team. But I still to this day, I love who just about more than anything else. J G. Did you ever play the roundball sport? From the Honorable Dr Nate Smith? I kept book for our high school team for a season. He

was the manager. Alright. I never I played at the y m c A. And then I played at the boys club like fourth and fifth grade and then middle school. I think I tried out and didn't make the team, and then after I was like, yeah, I'm done. When I moved to l A, there was a pickup game amongst comedians and this just confirmed my feelings about basketball, like is it like the different personalities on the court,

which is why I understand Ralph's buying game. I will pay money to play this game with the same other nine motherfucker's. I will pay money because they know me, we know each other, and we will all behave When you were playing pick up with strangers and it's comedians, it's there's a level of ego. But the game. They used to have a flag football game too, but it was, oh, this is a way for the black comedy community to mingle and chill on a Sunday business. But the competitiveness

by the second quarter, niggas is ready to fight. Yo. Jokes ain't funny, Like you don't sell tickets. That's why you don't get You can't hit up free throw, That's why you ain't getting that to me. Honestly, pick up pick up basketball ain't ship but athletic karaoke you got. It's somebody who's doing it for fun. And then there's somebody who think they're gonna get a whole last tend contract, like the motherfucker from the Hornets. It's just at this

gym today. I moved out to l a and uh, I learned very quickly about Los Angeles being a place where just ballers are at and uh, I used to like, I got a lot of friends that win the dude. So I used to wear a little duke shooting shirt that one of my friends had given me. You know, it was my little thing when I went to the court. Mind you, I've never played varsity ball. This is important to say, Like, I play a lot of basketball, but I never got the big letter. I always got the

little letter because I did speech. But this one night, I'm out in l A. We're playing pick up all at this gym, and I had on my little shooting shirt and I would take off my shirt and I had maybe three or four of the worst games I've ever played in my entire damn life. And didn't know that. At the same time in the gym there was a guy former dude play everybody name McCoy mcgetty, who was in the gym. Yes, sir, so I'm sitting down, I'm

already mad at myself. I'm sweating, drenched to sweat, got a little shirt in my hand, about put on my clothes going home. Corey walked up to me and said, Hey, man, did you go to duke? I was like, well, no, man. He grabbed my shirt. He said, never ever wear this again and then dropped it at my feet and terrible. Don't university like that. I'm gonna do radio for the rest of my life, is how I felt at that point and the last piece and I shut up. I messed around in l A and end up playing in

the Drew League. But I don't want to make it sound like I was playing, because I was not playing the Drew League. Jacqueline is where pro and sent my pro plays who played international basketball all over the world. Oh yeah, we gotta yeah, alright, so my story something. I played the league for the people who don't know. So so the Drew League, good lord, Jacquelin, just put me down. The Drew League is a semi pro basketball league where dudes who play in the league playing the Drew.

It'side the West coast of cuivalent to like a streetball league, like a Rutger and stuff like that. Um. I happened to have a dude that I was playing pickup but it was very good, and he invited me to come play on this team. I didn't know that this team was f and Drew and so the first practice, these dudes going around talking about where they played and they're like, oh, yeah, well I played in this Big ten school and now I played in Argentina, I played in the Pac Ten.

Now I'm playing in the Japan. And they came in to me and they're like you, and I was like, yeah, I never played varsity basketball. And I'm a radio producer in Studio City. There we go U basketball and basketball everywhere I've ever lived a ball man, and uh, it's got a good way of being super universally, puts you in places that you don't expect to be in and ship. Yeah, I mean basketball pick up basketball is hood golf. You

can make connections, to meet people, to make deals. It's just not as conversational because it's more aerobic than golf, like the sidelines and watching who's dating like a Dale and Rich Paul. I just think that's so sweet. Either one of them played basketball. Jacqueline, I don't care about that. Let's move on now to Cody's most outstanding employee of the week, Shahnnie O'Neill wife. Isn't that right? They got

married in two thousand two. I think Shaw could just come to l a on a huntred million dollar deal with the two mill deal. Got divorced, uh in two thousand nine. There was absolutely no prenup, no prenup on that first marriage, dope, but he was paying her alimony. Part of the terms of this alimony was for ten years. The day you get married again, you don't get no more my motherfucking money, motherfucker, you only get the child

support bread. I'm happy to announce that exactly ten years after the agreement was Seanny O'Neill is engaged to be married. Of course she is, of course, yes, of course. The fact that she waited and waited and waited and dated and produced shows and build her own nestake and then when she didn't even need the money. Third, the basketball wives spent offs and all of that ship. You know, many different ways she's getting paid, paid, getting Where are

you going? Because they say being a wife as a job, right, m hm okay, So then alimonia ain't ship but severance. It is definitely sure that your employer gave you. Well, I probably shouldn't say that because black women and you don't work for the black man. I contribute to help the all the time for making sure that your co founder of your family fifth. I'm fifth off the grip that. Wait a minute, hold that before you finished announcing this, because my wife and my mother, my wife and my

mother in law listening. I need y'all to make sure I said fifth. Fifth, God damn it. Fifth for making sure that your family's co founder properly gave you every single penny that was due to you before finding another new co founder. For that, Shanny O'Neill, you are Cody's most outstanding employee of the week. I will tell you that whoever she's married will not be a co founder because she has learned a valuable lesson the hard way

proper prenup. Well, you know this is easy to kind of talk about from the perspective that we're looking at. Does the same thing happen when the perspective flipsly like what happens when she makes tons of money and then he does not make a lot of money and then they get a divorce? Do we feel as remorseful for the guy in that situation as we do for the women in the exact same So I support I support rich women paying broke me in out of money. I love it just so weekend. For the record, Um, I've

gotta signed anything. Let's just go ahead and get that clear. I'm glad. I'm not proposing to Jack many rules with Jacqueline. We don't have time. I feel like you got a pre contract. She got a whole pre contract, and she got laid out before you date her. We need talking about marrying her. They're gonna be in love. We're going to be in love and that's what's going to happen. And I've been engaged four point five times, so I'm not signing enough. You've been in There's so many layers

to you. Every week onion just opened. We don't have time. It's too late at the time. What is four point five times? Where at a time? What is four point five That's like what somebody said, I got two and a half children? What the hell is that? Well, you just gotta half disembottled body just doing around. What is four and a half We we gotta we got a w NBA champion. She was dating basketball players and I

don't Jacqueline has seen some ship. We have so much turn pat on rides dating for I'm just waiting for her to tell us that she was a jet Beauty of the Week one. It all makes sense, all right, Let's get into worse than first. Every blue moon we get blessed, blessed, we get blessed. This woman Black Women's a Black women's talk about it is joining us for worst than First. We're talking basketball this entire episode, the

ins and out of that career. And if it's anyone who knows this world, it is our next guest, j G. Who do we have on the line. We have the amazing Candice Nicole Parker, lovely smile legend in her own right. There are so many things I could say, but let's not waste time and get right to her world. Chip say it again, Sir, say it again, sir whoa chap wa and host of The Moment podcast as well, which is a very, very wonderfully grounded conversational podcast that peels

back the layers of humanity and people. Candice Parker, I didn't know j G was gonna drop your middle name on us. Thank you for having me. You can't leave out the fact that she was also balling in Chicago, hommy, Like you know what I'm saying. She was dunking on cats in high school. You know what I'm saying, it's one thing for us show you to j you up, but it's a whole another thing for her to come and pipe one on you and you just look at you,

you walk off. You know what I'm saying. I'm just saying, like, yeah, in Illinois to like you, you got to Chicago catch so she was, I'm sorry, I'm a ball player, brod. I just so watch her pump people youngest. So before before, before Ralph has the seizure. You really can't when you're an athlete of your caliber, you cannot work regularly. So what what was your relationship with employment early on? Like when you needed money to get to Jordan's so to

get the junior say out air missions or whatever. What did Candice Parker do for money? Do you even have a worst job? We should just go worst coach or first coach or something. So I was to be sad, like I was a hustler. That baby sat a lot.

I love kids from the giga, Like from twelve eleven years old on my street, I used to babysit all the kids, um and then even when I got to college, I would watch you know, I didn't really go out all that much so I was a huge Like I would watch the coaches kids, and you know, I look up and I'd have all the dogs and kids in my house and that was just fine. Friday night. That was my idea of a lot of fun just watching movies. And the Little Mermaid was a hit in my house.

Little kids. Yeah, so I have baby, got a lot. I mean I worked, um, you know, just summer jobs because during the school year, my parents were big believers and like me, focusing on you know, school, and so your parents wouldn't let you work because they wanted you to focus on your I was fortunate enough to to live in an environment where, um, you know, my my parents, you know, we're passionate about that. For me and my brothers, obviously we all had jobs like in the summer, we're

cleaning the beach bathroom. That was probably the worst. That was where I was like, I really want to work really hard so that I don't have to clean the beach bathroom. As parents of talented athletes, which my mama didn't have that issue because you know, I just baseball and me basketball and me didn't. But you know the problem with me in basketball. Third is that when we

moved to Birmingham. I was in the third grade, and my mom got me a basketball goal, so I wouldn't go to Powderly Park and play where they always got to shoot. But then all the O G s will come to our house to play. I'm in the third grade. It's amazing, Well be grown men, these a tenth grade gang bangers over here to hoop. So I was so intimidated by the sport that they drove me to soccer and baseball and these more individual where you ain't gotta be no more funk around me because I telephost all

the time. And like I tried out for basketball three years in a row in high school. You know what I learned, bread, I'm very good at speech. I'm excellent at speech. That's that's what I am very good at. If it ain't there about the seventh grade, it's time to grade for sure. Kind you're trying it out in seventh grade, some kids will surprise you you hit a growth for or something like that. But like, for sure, in ninth grade, I mean, obviously there are exceptions to

every rule. Um, but yeah, ninth grade, I stayed away from basketball. I didn't really start playing serious basketball until probably eighth grade. I would say, like seventh grade is when I started like seriously playing I played soccer and I played volleyball, And my first scholarship offered to Tennessee was for volleyball. It wasn't even basketball. Mm hm m hm,

m hmm. What are some of the sacrifices that you believe your parents me in the early days to ensure that you stayed on that straight and narrow path, Because athletics requires a level of commitment that I think a lot of teenagers aren't always invested in and it takes a little bit of a push from some mentor figure. Well, first, it's got to be in the kid. Like you can't bring something out of a kid that isn't in them.

And you know that's similar trajectory. Like me and my oldest brother we love basketball, so my dad coached us. My middle brother was like, I'm gonna do basketball for fun. I would say my advice is like, first, figure out if the kid wants it, Like if the kid wants it as much as they say, because you can't want it more than your kids. I can't be pulling Wayla up out of bed to go to tournaments and she's she doesn't want to. Now, you can have bad days,

but I can't want this more than you. Say it again, said like I can't. I can't want this more than you like it. Just it can't. That can't be the case. And I think some parents, especially from a young age, they want something more than their kids and it just doesn't work out. Um. But also it is important to challenge them. I was challenged constantly. We you know, you can't expect excellence in this one area of life and not have those expectations in other areas like school, like

how people like respect, all that stuff. So I think it's just like setting goals and making sure you're reaching it. But they still got to be a kid man, Like, you can't. You can't take everything. Like I remember my mom made me go to prom. She made me go I was basketball tournament, Like what if no, you're going to prom? You know. And so there's some things that you have to as a parent step in and you know, and make sure that your kid is still being a

kid because you couldn't get that back. He couldn't ever get that from back. So excellent move for your mom. And I'm curious outside of basketball, outside of the podcast. What else is driving you? I always believe in being versatile, like that is my number one piece of advice. I don't want to put all my eggs um into one basket. And I think for a very long time, it was just basketball, and then I had my daughter and I

saw this whole new purpose. Like it sucks to lose still and I hate it, but I come out of it more because I heard. And so for me, what keeps me up at night is I want to continue that. I want to be versatile within business. I want to be versatile within television. Um and you know obviously I mean gender quality and racial I mean all of that drives me. And I think it just like my daughter

looking at me some days. I mean we have the same like sometimes she don't want to do her homework, Mom, I did my homework for you today, because I tell her all the time, like I get up to go to work sometimes I'm like, I don't feel like it, but I did it for you today, like I did

it for you. And so I think that's what drives me, is like continue to be that role model and hustling, not when I have to get on a cardio machine or when I'm sweating, but like to hustle and business, like to hustle and and grind and sometimes do things you don't want to do. And so I think that's what keeping me up at night is am I being

a great example of that to her. I felt this year that the ladies kind of led the way and a lot of respects, Like I felt as far as the you know, whether it was getting more not collected or just standing up to a lot of the bullshit. Can you talk about what that part of the season was, Like,

what is it about the w NBA community. It seems more together than the men when it comes to social justice if we're just being in one hunting Like well, first, UM, our league is the majority of the minority in this country. And you know I say that in we are eight percent African American women, So we are league all of women. Everybody's a woman in our league. UM, black, l g B, t Q, socioeconomic background, UM, religions. I mean, we are literally the majority of our league is the minority in

this country. So I feel like we had that purpose. And I think anytime you have purpose behind anything, it's like driven. And I think we have cohesiveness there's only twelve teams. During the bubble, it was literally like we were all in the bubble. Yeah, it els to do. It was kind of like you would get your text and everybody was fun and if you didn't respond, it was like in the lunch line, like, hey, did you get the text about what we're gonna do? You know,

That's kind of how it came together. And then we always I mean, I know now people are recognizing the w b A, but the w b A has always been on the forefront of this stuff, whether it was accepted or not. To be honest with you honestly, whether it was accepted or not, whether people you know, whether the w b A in the front office we're okay with it or not. Know, we got fine. There were there were people were black turned out shirts and we tried to find him in Carmelo stuffed in and was like, no,

you're not You're not about to do this. Then it was like, oh, the fines are rescinded and like all stuff, so we're forgetting Like that was a couple of years ago. Well, the podcast is called Moments where you talk about parenting and parenthood and what that means, and you explore that you explore parenting, I would say as beautifully and as eloquently as we try to explore employment. She is a w NBA champion, she is a Black Women's and we will support the Chicago Scott to know and yes she

is Candice Pocket. Thank you so so much for sharing a little bit of time with us. We will leave you to your ferocious dogs. Listen, hey, listen. If anybody ever calls it like says, you know, kend just don't believe in diversity. To look at my dog. I got a right, I got a capacoot, and I got a weiner dog. So variety of diversity of this house. I'm just telling you that's beautiful. Well, thank you so much for coming on. We'll leave you back to the rest

of your life. Have a wonderful, wonderful off season. We can't wait to see this. I appreciate. Thank you. After the break, we will be joined by the wonderful, wonderful another black women's back to back black wins. We're talking basketball on the job fair. She is raising a child prodigy that has decided to not go to college route while still in high school. How cool you got to be the go pro in high school and convince a black mama. That's my first question to us, how did

you as a black mama? Let this boy tell you. Yeah, high school and all that, but I'm gonna finish it for you though. All right, I'm gonna get this degree for you. I ain't promising you the next That's all I'm saying that. I think he's getting deep that she didn't getting one. Yeah, pretty much better go frame in middle school. Ship. Look, he might take it. He might take an associate degree program in the off season and get get get that two year paper for him to diploma. Plus, well,

did job fair. We'll be right back, job fair, We're back in him. Basketball is my favorite sport. I love the way they dripped up and down the court. And that's all of the songs that I can sing for free without being fined by the music in the street. J G. Just just real quick, Who who who do we have on the line. Let's just start there because I want to start chipping away at this. We have Kimberly Cummings and she is in a just the principle,

but she's also the mother of a prodigy. Mm hm, So, Madam Kimberly first and foremost welcome to the job fair, Thank you for coming to board, thank you for having me. You have a son, and you correct me if I'm wrong.

Your son was originally playing high school amateur sports. He is really good, so rather than continue playing high school amateur sports, he now plays for the Overtime Elite League, which pays their athletes, and your son is doing that as he prepares for an eventual journey into the NBA. Did I get that right? When did? When did Jalen's gift start forcing you as a parent to go, Okay, what is my schedule today as it relates to the

boys schedule? Because you're not just You're not just taking him to the y m C A community rick league for him to dunk on people like Ralph respect Probably when a child is playing competitively, they're more leagues, The games are further away because that's where all the competition lies, further and further away from the house. So if you could just talk to us a little bit about your sacrifices as a family, Well, Jalen started playing travel ball

in the fourth grade. Um, the sacrifices were giving up by weekends. UM as he got older, UM, he started playing with more competitive teams. As you stated, we had to travel further and further away from her. Um as many weekends, pretty much every weekend that he played. UM, I was there, My mother was there. We sacrificed and we went to his games. UM. You have to consider to travel, the hotel costs and being a single mom, it was it was costly. But he has always is aspired,

um to become an NBA player. UM. For me though, in order for him to do that, he had to keep his academics up, because I'm academics first, and he has been a straight A student since he's been in high school. I think leagues like this where a young man can can play and actually earn some some some money. UM, that's that's gotta be a that's gotta be a a help. How does that all factor into the league, so to speak? Like how how does how does that work? If you

can't have you seen it work? UM? I know that he has a contract and everything that they've said that they were going to do for him, they've done. Many people were concerned that he would only get a G E D. Which is false. UM. Jalen and his Seni and he's seventeen. He only needed UM one credit to graduate from high school. UM. They are honoring that he has taken high school courses to complete his high school

diploma and graduate as he would have regular high school. UM. He just has the opportunity to be trained by some awesome people to get him ready for the next level and that's going into the G League or going and going to Europe and play overseas. UM. So it it's he loses some things, you know, the college experience and all, but he can still get He is going to get his degree. He just won't be able to play on

the college level. But going to the games, that's far at O t E. It is an awesome experience for these young men. So it's very rewarding and as you stated, they are getting paid for it. In the meanwhile, they're paying playing against other young men who are not getting paid and they're doing the same thing. Now, how did

the high school coach take it? Talk to me a little bit about the naysayers or I don't want to say day sayers, but the people who were trying to present But you don't even know what that is because this is new. This whole concept is very new. This is not even five years old. If I'm not mistaken, like this, this concept of if you're good at something, figure out the way to start doing it as quickly as possible, get your education and get the heck on. Now, while he was in ot E, Mom, was he still

going to class? Because you know what I'm thinking about. Third, I'm thinking about when Dion Sanders was at Florida State but he got drafted by the New York Yankees and he had a couple of dollars in his pocket on that college campus. I want to know what was that like, Mama, What was that like when he's like, he's in ote but now he still got the last couple of credit hours in class or did he just leave school altogether and just opt to get the credits um with with

tutors and everything. No, they are in school. There's the tutors only as they need him. They are being taught by teachers and they are they're still earning their credits. They accepted his credits from high school. He still only has that one credit. Now. The question you asked about his high school coach. His high school coach was is the legendary or was Charlie Ward and um, he hated to see him leave. But his words were, they didn't

have that opportunity when they were younger. They didn't have that opportunity. So it was a great opportunity for Jayleen. And of course there were nay sayers just like he said, and that's because they did not know all the ins and outs of what is being provided by this organization. If he does not make it into the G League or decide not to go overseas, he is going to be provided up to one hundred thou dollars to attend college and and and pursue his degree as he would

have if he was playing in college. That is amazingly dope, that's just the advanced scholarship. They just fronted you a scholarship. Now you can go over there. Oh you want to go here? Yes, Jaymine already hads college credits because he was doing a roll. They're going to continue that. As soon as he finishes with this last credit that he needs, he'll start back in college again and he will have possibly close to his A degree once he finishes. Okay, well,

the age limit on enrolling in overtime Elite. Let me google real quick to see if a son. I'm talking about myself. But you do through this process so far, is there anything that you would enhance because there are other people looking to you, whether you know it or not, to see how this all plays out. They they honored their word. They've honored their word because this is my seventeen year old son who has left home. UM. Everything

that they said there. They are a family. Um, they're an organization, but they are a family, and they actually take care of our kids every need, our doctor's appointments, thental appointments, everything, and they treat them professionally. But they

take care of them as well. If he's going pro that means that, for lack a better word, the grooming that sometimes cats might get in college to avoid agents and all that kind of stuff, they can come right at them, UM, and I would figure as a parent that would be a little bit scary just to see. So do they give you advice on how to deal with that? They have They have investments and home and they have financial advisors. UM. A portion of the large portion of their money is UM put away in an

account that they cannot touch because of their age. So they give them their they're teaching them how to be men. They're not just playing basketball. In European soccer's quite common for kids to go pro it around fourteen or seventeen years old, to pull them out of high school, but they put them in tutoring h UM tutoring academies that are normally based in the practice wings of the of

the different teams. But they also do the things that for the first time I've ever heard anybody in America doing UM is in the case of the O t A. Here.

They give them financial planning, they give them UM social media training, they teach them how to deal with things as a professional UM which you know that there's litmus tons of stories in American basketball where I wish, you know, some of these guys would have had some some courses or something along the way to help guide them, because being a professional basketball players still a job and a lot of times, you know, people get caught up in

the highlights and they miss it. Actually tried to back out of the contract once I signed it because I was listening to outside influences who didn't understand what was going on. And my son said to me, said, my mom's seventeen, this is what I've loved doing and this is what I've always loved doing. This is what I aspired to do, he said. Once I get finished with this program, I would have made ex amount of dollars,

he said. If I do not make it into the NBA or decided not to go overseas, he said, I can take the money that they offered for me to go to college. When I graduate from college, i'll be twenty three years old. I'll still be young, and I could pursue the career for the major that I decided to major. And that was the thing that said, Okay, go for it. Thank you down so George girl. Every ote player will earn a six figure salary with a guaranteed minimum salary of at least a hundred thousand per year,

plus bonuses and shares of equity and overtime. In addition, players will participate in revenue from use of their name, image and likeness through sales of custom jerseys, trading cards, video games, and in f t s. It's all very exciting,

it seems surreal. That's all. No further questions. This is from what it seems to be one of the safest and easiest dice rolls on setting using your gifts to set a future for yourself as quickly as possible, as the Great Omar Little said in the Why Even if I miss, I can't miss you know, it seems like he's got a good village around him. Keep them skeezers away from him, and check his d M from time to time. I'm gonna make sure that boy got make sure he got a box of corn, the whole thing

of condo, two suitcases for respect. Question on on your way out of the go here, I got one question. We talked about the sacrifice that parents. Mate, tell us real quick, whole interview. Where have you been? Where are you at right now? I'm driving to Atlanta to see him play this weekend. That's what I'm talking about. That's that sacrifice. The whole interview. You heard that sacrifice right there to be a parent like it. I hope that you're able as he gets older and gets out of

your hair a little more. I hope that you're able to use that time to pursue all of the things that you set to the side to make sure that his career was straight. God, bless you. Thank you, and I mean thank you and thank you for having me. Bye bye. A hundred thousand and you get a piece of your likeness, and you know they're gonna throw them

in a video game sooner or later. This is the future. Well, if I'm not to get the money so that if they don't go to the league or something where that happened to him or whatever, the fact that they get that hundred grand at least go to school if something doesn't work out, that is amazing to me. That's just that's a nice that's a nice deal. I was just gonna say, she's an assistant principle, so this wasn't something that she didn't completely think through. That educational aspect was

a baseline for her. We were talking a little bit before we all joined each other, but that is a baseline for her. It's extreme link important for her and for him. So this wasn't just some Willie nearly decision. It's the best way I can put it. After the break, we'll wrap up this basketball episode with an esteemed wonderful wonderful ESPN journalists UH and writer Stoop Jackson Jackson, Uh and of course the harmon Arado a k A run Yeah Jackson not Jackson Jackson. You know what the pastors

with the juicy Mountain Jackson. It's John Fair. We'll be right back. Job Fair, were back in this thing. Ye Basketball week. We're exploring the world of different ways you can make a little money in basketball and ship like that. You know, I would have played, but I was right off the court by older gang members who had school wants to settle. So uh, the aggressiveness of the sport

turned me off. We turn our attentions now. It's part of the program where we bring our black people white people ologies on to help you all be able to break the ice with co workers of a different race by presenting stories and topics and the things you can chit chat about. He comes to us from parts unknown in Middle Tennessee. But if you ever want to see him in three D, just swing by the Boat Hotel and he will appear. His mama named in Narado. We

called him Rode for a short ride, but we fucking hoops. Um. I want to say that I earlier you said that you would run off the basketball court by gag numbers with a score to settle, and you know that happens. You know, Gangs to Disciples shout out to I g D from from the West Side. Yeah, so, yeah, it happened. I myself had to do the same thing in college, went four or four brothers and and interrupted the basketball. Gave me the gym because the nigger was out there

who told me money? And I didn't had time to wait. They give me the run rap about three weeks walmped into the gym with a blanket mile in my mouth while right on to the court wrapt the ball. It was like, hey, I leave to talk with this, making somebody better call the time. I believe every minute, every minute of this, I believe, totally believe. Yeah it happened. How much money? Right? It was twined office. It wasn't the money, it was the PRINCIPI was the principle. It

wasn't the money. You mean wearing basketball shoes you had on lugs growing up on the court with seeds. That's that's why I don't like pick up games. It's too much just toss. It's too many men trying to prove their men to people that don't matter. I ain't got time for this ship. I'm going to the bank day. That's why I love baseball. Let's kick it off, rock which way you want. We're gonna start with white people,

white people. What you want to be talking about in basketball US right now to your black people is uh famer NBA superstar at Griffterdarred Williams will be making his professional boxing debut, but I fight it on the undercard of the Jake Paul versus Tommy Fury fight against former NFL star Frank Gore Cior it's a very weird a story running back, running back from the U. Frank Goren so running a running back versus shooter point guard. That's right the point, Frank Gore is gonna beat the Dunk's

the thing. It may sound like Frank Gore is going to beat the ship out of Darren Williams, but apparently Darren Williams has spent the last ten years training in m m A and as part owner of the m M of their popular m M A Jim in Dallas, Texas, And apparently he was also trading for his m m A debut before the pandemic hit, So he might have a motherfucking chance. But Frank Boy, and we all know Frank Boy is an old school gais and he's been

boxing since two thousand five. Apparently is part of his trading, so it's a weird sounding story, might be a good Damn five boxing is a tough one for me to watch because you know, if they do it well enough, long enough be inevitability, it's not. There ain't a lot of six he retired boxes. You get Sugar Ray Lennard and George Foreman. Yeah, because Tyson, I guess. But Tyson last I checked a couple of weeks ago, he was talking about smoking toad toad poison and going to the

moon on the Ayahwaska. Well, I mean, I ain't no crazy to poison. I promise you it is the most organic, sustainable poison available, right. I know, we got Scoop Jackson waiting until let's go in and flip it up real quick ride. What can my black people bring up to their white friends about basketball? Bla be were the biggest news in white basketball right now? Is uh? Coach k

is retiring at the end of this season. Duke's famous Mike Shashevski and uh he he has a grandson on the team who apparently doesn't want to make it any easier for Grandpops to walk away from the game. Uh. Mike Savoreino, grandson of Coach K uh, twenty years old. Was us recently arrested for the d w I with Duke's start freshman Paolo Banchero. Apparently Coach case Grandson was

the one driving and he's only twenty years old. And the kicker is that they arrested Paolo also for aid and a betting d w I, which is something I've never heard of, but apparently if you can. They say that if you normally give your keys to somebody, you know it's under the influence that you're aiding the bed the d w I. So I guess they've gotta have to prove that to keep him in trouble. But right now, the big focus of Coach ex Grandson does he does

Coach case Grandson places on the freshman. Yeah, and the kid that they the other kid is a beast. He's a beast. The podcast is Uncle Rods or Corner. You can get it wherever you get podcast. Right. We wish you were happy December. Chris. Let me tell you something real quick about j G. She loved. Let me tell you what she said. Jacqueline said, she loves the spirit of the season. She loves the food, the smell, the pine, the pine needles, the Christmas tree. She loves bacon, but

she doesn't buy gifts. She didn't even make them buying gifts. I'm not making them. I'm not buying. She's very selfish. But she loved but she but she loves receiving them though, don't love it right, rod is always thank you so much for coming on the program. But appreciate you. Man.

We're talking, yes, scamm of the week time j G who is on the line, And we currently have Robert Scoop Jackson and he holds the position as Senior Features writer and Executive producer for ESPN Features Unit and Sports Center, and is a contributor to many of their television programs, radio shows, digital platforms including The Undefeated, also magazines and films. And it's important to note he spent twelve years as

a national columnist for ESPN dot com. He also holds position as Content and Copyright clem right, tell it all though there's one more thing. There's one more thing, one more thing you're missing. Hold on, hold on, Roy, you know there's one more thing you missed. I let Scoop do it? Said, ain't you tell him? Tell him? Where did you go? Scoop? Did you did you did you not a small which was you've got to you know when you drovel up on your black HBCU, you know

you got which one please get? Because I know we got a family duty here too, so you know you gotta respect. So I got the undergrad from Xavier University in New Orleans and got the grand piece from Howard University in d C. Right right right, a curiosity because I don't know what the scoop stand for. Um, I say it's either ice cream or dogshit, whichever way you

want to go. Not in real talk. It was given to me at birth because I was born literally the day after JFK was assassinated and my uncle, my mother's brother, made a joke to my father, who was a newspaper reporter in Chicago at the time. He said, there you having a song going school Kennedy getting killed. So they gave me that name birth certificates in hand at first. So I've been I've been ice cream with dogship my

whole life. So what are some of the pitfalls that young basketball players make at any level, being a a U or semi pro, overseas college, whatever. What are some of the pitfalls that keep them from crossing over into the NBA. Well, the first is not developing a work ethic that it takes to sustain a career inside the NBA. Uh. The NBA, like a lot of other professions, is based on like a pyramid where it gets smaller and smaller.

The how you go with the people at the top of that they are literally the best of the best in the world. They have no idea what it is like and what it takes to get to the top of the top. We're living in the generation where we have somewhat stunted young athletes by continually showing them the end results and not showing them the work that it

takes to get there and sustain that. So when they are the you know when when they're all like an ESPN list of the top thirty high school basketball players. So they are in college and they see theirselves like in Yahoo's mock draft and maybe getting in the first round. They think that is automatic and they're good and where their skills are at right now are gonna be good enough to get them to the next stage And they might, but get to the next stays and staying there a

two different things. Because if you are a seventeen and eighteen years old, and you don't have a work ethic that is going to match with these cats and the NBA doing it's too late. I've been reading you, following you for a very long time. Where you're at XXL, where you as Slam, and when you were a Slam, you really had a unique look at the at the

underage basketball market. For lack of better world, Like, it was one thing to look at the college game, but that high school game when I was coming up, were talking around. High school game had a lot of money in it. But now apparently it's not the high school game anymore. It's the eighth grade. Yeah, I mean, but but really it has to be because the way it goes right now, everybody is seeking to find and get

their hands on what's next. And if you got first deals on what's next, thing, you have a advantage over everybody else. Alright, who's next for Lebron And we're not gonna wait for that person to be a sophomore a freshman. We're gonna try to get dads and deals on that cat earlier. And now you just looking at colleges. So you look, if we can if we can introduce this kid to our college program. We may be able to

grab that kid and one thing. When we're dealing, especially with us as black folks, we have a sense of loyalty that most other races across the world don't have. We stay true to where we come from more than anybody. And if we don't redeem to sell out. But I don't care where you're from. Hey man, these people had me when nobody else had me. That same thought process

attaches itself to what we're talking about right now. So when you are an eighth grader and the you know, University of Missouri, you know he starts whatever sending you gifts. Assistant coach comes there, they show up at your games, whatever they can do inside the n C double A laws to let them know that they got their eye on you. When it comes time for you to choose a school, that loyalty kicks it. Like, hey, Missouri was

here watching me before anybody else was. I'm gonna you know, they've been down with me since they want for all the on new they will down with me. And if you can get that foot in to that player, it's all good. So that's the reason that happened. That's d that's I don't like that, that's that's I get it. But let's let's not just choose the sports. All types of companies and agencies, in various professionals do the exact

same thing. You don't think Hollywood is trying to look to see who's the next young you know, person, who's gonna who's gonna run Disney. Disney as a whole network about finding kids under the age of ten and who's gonna be next. You don't think of Silicon Valley that anyone from Google. You don't to whoever name him Apple. You don't think you're tapping in the high school kids. You don't think they're tapping in the Steam programs to find out who the young brains are. You don't think that.

You don't think Berkeley School of Music in Boston is trying to travel around the country to find out who that next cellist is. Who do you know, who that next reader a writer of music is. You don't think ad agencies across the world are looking at young talent in some of these high schools that have difts in writing that can do. Something is happening all over. So let's not just you know, peg sports as the shady ones that are doing Is it happens all over? Okay?

I have two things. One is more streamlined and straight with regards to what you're talking about about grooming the next generation of cello players, the next generation of basketball, football player athletes, or whatever you exail in. You are a male writer of a certain caliber. Who are you grooming or who are you reading that you're most interested in and seeing them do something great as well. I'm not one of those brothers that functions from um a

box in situation. I I really literally function with an open door policy in half of thirty years. So there's always some body somebody's that I have always been there and continued to be there and grooming and mentoring, and when they did, you know, really I sold. I don't sit on anybody's board of directors. I'm not a member of anybody's this, that and the other. I don't I'm not a member of the N A b J. I don't focution like that. I function really every day on

the streets. And when I see you on the streets, if I see you at your high school, and if I see you in the game, I see your groocery stuff. I see you at the club to you the boy, if I see you, it doesn't make a difference. I would, I would, I would. I would actually say j G. Just to kind of back him up real quick. I have the honor of saying that I've known Scoop for a long time and uh, anytime I've ever needed help professionally, even when I was going through stuff with Bleep, um,

you know he was. He was somebody that I turned to and uh and spoke with um and he always give me real advice with one of the brothers that you can get my phone number album you don't have to call me ahead of time and say you gave

me somebody else. I'm not that dude. I understand how we roll as a people, and I understand the um the responsibility I have as a brother who has you know, worked consistently uh and pretty hard to you know, be be in a position that I'm in, And I understand that the same work ethic that we were talking about these players need to have coming in and the same

work ethic that I have. And that's the one thing that should not be held back from anybody of color in this country, especially in this game of media, especially in this game, which is probably in my mind still remains the most racist industry we have in this country, and that's including politics and police departments. Two things for me. One, I think we didn't have enough time to really get into journalistically a lot of the ins and outs of

your journey through all of these different sports. But take us back to your time. Were you ever a beat writer for any team? And I have never had to go through that journey, and that's something that is still problematic for other individuals, especially where I'm at right now ESPN. My background is so unique to everybody else, a lot of other people in the business, but especially at the place I'm out of ESPN. I'm like that playground legend who was lucky enough to make it to the league.

That's really what it balls down to, right right, I'm right, I'm I'm kind of like the step my loop now. It was a situation I ran into with Um another the legendary writer that that happens to be ESPN Um at one time we were. It was during the Bulls.

The second three people UM in the press room and everybody that's there during the finals, they all like leave and they're rushed and their all in the press room like they're trying to get their stories out and they have you know, they're on the deadlines that are trying to get making sure their stories master the inches, or they're getting their work out all day and you know, their deadlines either one or midnight or whatever. They're all

in crunch mode. I'm sitting in the press room just chilling. I'm watching because at the time I'm writing for Slam Magazine. I'm editor Slam Magazine. Our deadline it's it's it's it's a monthly magazine. You know, we come out every six weeks. My deadlines are locked. And this writer said to me, basically in kind of really shady way, that, man, you

know what, that's you know, you're lucky. And he said in a way that you know, I almost don't respect you for standing and not have to do with everybody else is doing, and said that I'm lucky that I have to be forced to write the deadlines that they're on. And my response to him was this, I said, you know what, man, you can write your column or your story and foul it and tomorrow and you know people who can't read it. You can write a craft story

and that newspaper you write for nothing's gonna happen. It's gonna be fine. And you could cover up for some bullshit that you wrote today in two days, you can cover that for the next you know what, you can follow the next day whatever, that's fine. I have an entire magazine to hold down. If I sunk up, the entire magazine goes down, that's it. And yeah, I'm my

dead lines in every six weeks. But for every seven hundred and fifty words that you're writing four times a week, I'm writing thirty five to four thousand words four times because I got four stories in every issue that we do. So respect my gangster. For eleven years I worked to Slam magazine, and basically I it was on me to make sure that magazine function. Same thing with Double X L. It was on me to make sure these things function. So just because the lane is a little different, don't

disrespect it. So I've had to had that fight my entire career, fighting up against that. I can tell J G. He still want to slap the ship out of here. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no, because because he he was like, you know what, I never looked at it that way, and it came immediately. He's like, Damn, you're right, I never looked at it that way. Damn, that's good. That's love. All right, we'll get you out of here. Good. This this,

this whole segment is called scam of the Week. And you know, I know at some point in your pre journalistic endeavors you worked somewhere. And I ain't saying that you stole or that you was running this hustle, but if you ever seen a hustle ran, we would love for you to share one with us that hopefully the legal statue of limitations has passed on. Please don't contest anything problem. I'm gonna tell you too real quick. The

first both of them came ESPN two. I give me the credit because they gave a hustling, so it's all good. They told me one time that they wanted me to do a story on the New York Nets because they were doing this issue for ESPN, the magazine called basically or what If issue, like the craziest thing, What the what We're doing? Then issue on the craziest thing in sports that can happen? What if they happened? And they wanted me to do what if the New Jersey Nets

win the championship. I was like, okay, that's fine, I can do that because at the time I forgot probably I think it wasn't happening Van Juan Afilm. I think Kenya was got wils on that squad. Anyway, you have to understand it was a reach. But that was the whole concept of the issue, is to take extreme things and write or what if about them. Come to find out, there never was an issue based on that. It wasn't

a theme issue. They just did a story on the Net and then ran my piece as a sideball with me. I'm thinking the netship here right, here's making work. This is what Stephen A had his show. Quite frankly, Stephen was like, yeah, oh no, you gotta come on the show and talk about that. I'm like, so if you have me on the show, man, I have never done that much stuttering. I mean, luckily, this is pre social media, so you didn't get saltastu flavored. Now you're talking about you.

Now you're talking about some gags and stuff like really that was one the other one and I probably gonna get toughle for this. But when I first came over there. They the first assignment they gave me was Lebron James. They're like, all right, school, he needs you to go, you know, do a story on Lebron James l Cleveland this time. And I had a very good relationship with Lebron the time he was we were Slam magazine and

you know, he was part of our whole whatever. And they knew I had a really really good relationship with him, and they knew I worked on this first Nike campaign. They knew I was in with him Rich Randy Maverick. You know I was you know, I was, I was, you know, ball headed step So they had me in the family and es you knew that. So my the minute I got to ESPN, that's the first assignm of the game. Hey, we wanted to do a story on Lebron James for the magazine. I'm like, all right, cool.

So I get to Cleveland, man, and I go all up with Lebron's Hey, what's going on? Family? You know, you know, left Slam over ESPN and you know you wanna be do a story and he's like, you know, I don't mess with ESPN line. What do you mean? You message his pin. He said, you don't know. Now,

I don't know. I don't know, he tells me. He goes down to tell me how for years one they they had a writer secretly in Cleveland's locker room for an entire year writing a book about him that he did not know about, nor did the Cleveland Cavaliers until he got to day they were like, why is this dude here every day? And it was all it was a whole season, and he had been there and he wasn't a beat writer for like the plane Dealer. No,

he was just there. And then they finally found out that he was secretly there through ESPN to write a book on it. Once that got discovered and he got tossed, Lebron stopped doing interviews with ESPN, so ESPN got mad and apparently, according to him, said something fouled about his mother. You can't do that, That's what he was like, I'm done, Like I'm done done. I was upset because I'm like, look now, I spont to be working with ESPN. Now, the least you could have done what was told me?

What I was walking into. It's like, b when you bring me, you know, bring you in trying to masside this situation. Keep inside. They didn't say anything to me and had you know, and had me walking in Lebron like I hate to say it, asked out and burning the bridge with someone that you had reported because he thinking, you know, the beef and now you're coming in here trying to be the nigger whisperer. Hey man, Master told

me to come check on you and see what's going on. Look, that's the one job you never you never, you never really see advertise for it. But that's the realest job in journalism is being a nigger whisper. That's just the realest job out there. They will send you to talk to somebody black just because you're black and talk a little bit of slang like you gotta talk a whole lot of slang. You just need to talk enough to

confuse your white and they will send you. I ended up covering the end one team because they were too scared to go into bury fire. So wait a minute, school, what happened? Because nothing happened. I didn't do it. Yeah, but when did you go back to the office and say, hey, how did that play as it did? There was nothing to play out. I'm not doing it yall should have Lebron's not talking and y'all should have told me what I was walking into. It's real, it's really simple, you know.

It's just out of respect. But it wasn't that much because they wanted up doing it. They tried to do it to me again. But here, but here's the beauty and this and this is something because this is a job fair and then there are people that would get something like this. After the second time it happened, and the second time happened, after the next thing, I went to the president of the company and told him. I said, look, here's the deal. Here's the deal. I'm never writing for

the magazine ever period. And once I explained it to it and broke it down to it, he said, you know what I get it in my contract with ESPN is I am paid to do a certain amount of feature stories for the magazine. He's like, don't worry about it. Way that you don't ever have to write for the magazine again. He even admitted that was wrong. M lottle key, what you're talking about a mental health ship, because that will drive you fucking crazy. You do three of them

bullshit stories and the good news skip. We we we love what you did. What's your name, Skip Scoop whatever? Anyway, nigger, I want you to write a story about why the Jacksonville Jaguars will win the next eight Super Bowls? Still do that? How do people who don't have the depth of resume like you? What can they lean on if they're dealing with that same type of microaggression type nonsense in their job. Bill yourself are foundation of self worth before you get to the top of the food chain.

And what you're talking about, it goes down to not necessarily being seasoned, but understanding that as a young person, always try to function from a position of strength, not fake strength, real strength, and that strength has to come in your value and value and not the lies you tell yourself about what you're gonna become, but the values

of what you've done. There's always other outlets, but it's on you to have that self worth, You to build up a value system within yourself so that when it does take a position of going left, that you're not the one whose integrity doesn't walk out the door when

they do. Bars Bars, I'm it was an editor double x. One last question you may mention of this and this is me going backwards, that there's so many kids and students today that they have no work ethic, and I think it aligns with something that Roy also talked about. There's no one there to teach them those things. So any suggestions on where they can go to glean, glean and ILL use ESPN as a classic example of this. And I'll give you a few credit for this a

little bit. But any any black individual that you see, or any person of color, I expetch you that you see working the ESPN, go back and look to see that track record before they got there. Okay, that's it, yo. You're not gonna see somebody come to ESPN and get to that top of that food chain with out years and years and years of work to get there. Oh, I don't have to show them. And you work at and you go back and look at Mike will Bar and you go back and look at Jamal Hill before

she left. You go back and look at Maria Taylor. You go back and look at El Duncan. You go back and look at Butmonti Jones. You go back and look at you know, Mike Willbon. You know, I can go down the line at every person of color there. Look at that background before they got to ESPN, and that's your work ethic right there, and it can't be like a fake like I think you have to have something there to let you know that I'm able to do this. All right. We gotta let you go, Scoop,

because it's too much church. We already did. We did to church episodes last month. We can't have no more church episodes up in here. Man. Nice to meet you too, Joel. I feel sorry for you putting up with these two, but you know, yo whole separate conversation. I can send you the text message chains. Oh my gosh, if you supposed to be delete notes first of all, Scoop, I kept them all right, Trip, I see you, Trip, I

see you. Just google the name Scoop Jackson and go down a wonderful, wonderful rabbit hole of observations and analysis of the mundane all the way up to the profound brother. Thank you so much for coming on the job. There are that's the show man. We had a good time. Tong Fasket probably explored the careers. We did what we came to do. We don't always get to do that on the show. But I feel like we're not get out. Thank you so much to Kmis Parker, Thank you so much.

Um to Mamma Kimberly and her son Jay. Wishing nothing that goes to good people that overtime basketball cook. Yes, yes, big shout out to overtime. I don't know, but we might looking to it, Jacqueline Stoptor. We need to discuss this. We need to discuss this because they're about to be on the rise, especially if they are already thinking about selling n f T s. That's a very very cool to thinking operation there. Russ job Fair is a product

of our heart radio commence Central and South Parking Trusty productions. Um, that's a strong possibility by building on fire. So I just have to wrap this up. Do you smell smoke? Smell smoke big time. I haven't heard an alarm yet though. All right, well we're gonna let you go. J G. I'm not interested in. Um, you're being risking by the fire department live on the speed. Yeah, I can't even get to you. You kind of short's fire departing. They're

tall out. We're going to call them then let me find out, Jacqueline, gonna be fighting left and right on the on the fire department group, no fire, so I gotta go. This has been a special preview of Roy's Job Fair. Don't miss new episodes every Wednesday, available on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This has been a Comedy Central podcast

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