Aaron Judge Makes Home Run History | Maggie Haberman

show for you tonight. How some dragon is turning to the dock side Ronnie Chat We'll get into a major pillow fights, and Aaron Judge just made a guy from the sixties his bitch. Plus New York Times reporter Maggie have Uman is here to tell us what Donald Trump told her to her face. So let's do this people. Let's jump straight into today's headlines. All right. Before we get into the big stories, let's catch up on a

few other things going on in the world. Starting off with big news out of the retail industry, Goodwill, the famous donation store, has launched its own e commerce site where you can buy secondhand items online. Yeah, so if you're looking to buy a shirt for forty cents but then pay twenty dollars in shipping, you're in luck. This is great, This is great. You know, it's good to see them expanding. They do really good work. But you have to admit thrift shopping online isn't just the same

as doing it in person. You know, you gotta gotta be there to see the patterns, you feel the fabric, you smell that secondhand sweats, just like boon someone's grandpa. And international news, an irishman just became the first person ever to row a boat from New York City to Ireland. Yeah, it took him four months, but he said it was still better than flying out of LaGuardia, Like the atlantech might be dangerous, but its styles still better than terminal tree.

I oh. In economic news, the Treasury Department has announced that America's national debt has hit thirty one trillion dollars, which, damn, that's a lot of debts your life. The only solution now is for America to marry another country that has good finances. Right, Yeah, Joe Biden needs to go out and give a press conference like hey, hey, Japan. You up. But let's move on to some of the bigger stories of the day, starting with a major milestone in the

world of baseball. The only sports that's somehow better on radio based is a game that treats us records with reverence. You know all of them, from Cal Ripkin Juniors more than consecutive games played, to Joe DiMaggio's fifty six game hitting streak, to Derek Jeta's record of being the only successful guy ever to be named Derek. But no step is more of it than the home run. And last night, Yankees outfielder Aaron Judge smashed his name into the record

books with the swing of his mighty bat. Yankee superstar Aaron Judge loved his way into history sixty. It took until the one hundred sixty first game of the season, but number nine has finally matched his name in the record books. Aaron Judge passes the great Roger Maris to break the record for most home runs in a single season by an American League player. Ball was caught by Corey Humans of Dallas, a vice president at Fisher in Investments.

He said he hasn't decided what he's gonna do with the souvenir, which could be worth a couple of million dollars. There's a feel good story for you. I'm glad things are finally working out for that executive at investment firm. That's what the game is all about. Up for you, buddy, for you. But yeah, huge congratulations to Aaron Judge. Right, with just one game left to go in the season, he broke the American League home run record set by Roger Marris all the way back in think about in

sixty one. That is a long ass time for a record to stand. I mean back in you understand how long ago that was. America didn't have a Voting Rights Act and abortion was illegal, very different times now. To be clear, this is just the American League home run record, right, not the old time record, but some people think it should be because everyone who's above Eron Judge on the

list was busted for taking performance enhancing drugs. And whether you like it or not, this is a complicated issue because every player, well they took steroids or not, has some advantage over players from other errors. You know, like Babe Ruth. He didn't have access to modern medicine. Yeah, if he pulled a muscle the team doctor would be like hair smoke doesn't pack up cigarettes. If that doesn't work, I'll prescribe you so much. Bestars go on out there, buddy.

You know if if I'm being honest, though, I don't know why we celebrate home runs in the first place, because to me, all that happened is that you just lost the ball. Yeah, and now we've gotta get a new ball. That's like what ten dollars with sixty two homers? That ship adds up, Aaron, and I don't know if you heard about America's thirty one training in debt. We should we shouldn't be handling this ship and kind of afford it. He's getting the boards out there. Do you

know who we should be celebrating. We should be celebrating the batters who missed the ball completely so we can keep using it. Those people are the real heroes. I'm really fun at parties. All right, let's move on. It's a partner, Calton used. You know how the food you buy has an expiration dates on it. Yes, and if the food is past that date, then you throw it out unless you're a single guy, and then just eat

it anyway. Soon there might not even be a date at all new this morning concerns about global food waste or leading countries to rethink best before labels on food. Major UK grocery chains have already removed best before labels, and the European Union is expected to revamp its labeling laws by the end of the year. Best before labels are different than used by and have nothing to do with safety. Critics say they could cause people to throw away perfectly good food. Thank you, it's a great idea.

No no, I'm I'm saying that people throw out perfectly good food all the time because they think that best buy means goes bad off when it doesn't all right, And that's not just bad for the planet, it's an insult to the plants and the animals. You get the foods wrong, You're gonna toss away some perfectly fine cheese after a cow has worked so hard to pee it out of its four penises. Huh, educate yourselves, and look, I do get that best before and used by all confusing.

I do get that, but it's not that hard to understand. It's um it's sort of like like guawk. Yeah, think of it this way. It's best before you run out of chips, but you can still use it by dipping your finger in it when no one's looking. Did I clear that up? Yeah? First, anyway, I'm glad. I'm glad they're getting rid of the best by dates, because if you ask me, all they need is a worst by date. That's all you need. Yeah, that's that's all I want to know. When is the date that this food is

going to turn my butt into a super soca? Anything before that is fine, I don't care. Fine. Finally, let's move on to some entertainment news. One of the biggest shows right now is HBO's House of the Dragon. Everybody's loving it. And now, obviously this is a prequel to Game of Thrones, which itself was a prequel to Friends. I'm not gonna get into the timeline. I'm not going to get into the timeline. But Russ and Rachel are siblings.

It's a whole thing. Anyway. A lot of people were so disappointed in the Game of Thrones finale that they said they weren't ever going to watch the House of the Dragon. But now even the people watching House of the Dragon are complaining that they can't watch House of the Dragon. HBO's House of Dragon is a very dark show thematically, right, but how dark does it have to be visually? Fans of the show show they're dismaying it was actually too dark to even see what was going

on in the scene during the show, blaming the lighting budget. Now, the HBO Max Twitter helpline was flooded with tweets from irritated fans, and the network kind of brushed off the criticism. They offered a boilerplate response on Twitter that read the quote dimmed lighting of the scene was an intentional creative decision. What this was an intentional creative Look. Look, I'm not Steven Spielberg or Barry Jenkins, alright, I haven't directed anything.

But in my opinion, if your intentional creative decision is that people can't see the TV show that you're making, then you're making a podcast. All right, that's what you've made. That's not TV. I can't see it. That's not TV. That's a podcast. House Up Dragon brought to you by Casper Mattress. But for real, have you guys noticed how this is happening on every single show these days? Everything on TV is so dark you can't see anything. I don't know why. Oh they're trying to make it gritiel.

They're trying to make it like feel like a movie or you know, or maybe maybe they didn thingure. If they make it dark enough, then we can't complain about the cost not being diverse. Like I think that's another white person. I guess someone let it slide. M hmm. And right now, right now, HBO is facing a lot of backlash. But I think if they're smart about this, this could be a good business opportunity for them. Yeah, they should just add a higher priced here. Yeah, think

about it. They should say HBO max or four month. If you want to be able to see what has happening, which one you looked at for huh huh. And by the way, if you think it's bad watching a scene that dark, put yourself aside for a moment and just imagine how tough it must be for the characters who are in those scenes. The time has come, Lord Valerian, for us to unify the houses. And to you, Sir Christen, I beg of the Sir Christen that wait, is that

so Christian? Is that so Christian? Who is that? Jeff? Is that you does? Does someone have a torch or an iPhone light they can shine. No, no, well, okay, just at least tell me is this a fighting scene or a sex scene? I don't know. I don't know if. Okay, I'm just gonna stumble around with my sort out at my penis outside. We'll see what happens. Okay, let's let's try this, everybody. Let's try this. Here we go, here

we go. All right, that's it for today's headlines. But before we go to a break, let's move on to something that everybody loves. It's time to check out today's lotto numbers without very own toolsday slowing everybody else? Yeah, what's going on? Bull say, I'm doing it? I look like I ran a juke joint. What's happening with today's lotto numbers? So listen, I heard that America is thirty one trillion dollars in death. America owes the world do say doing? We got all the guns, we got all

the guns, Come get it, come in it. We got all the guns, we got all the gun I'll get your money. This is what America joke. I'll get your money. Does it sounds like a very professional country? Listen, Red, white and Blue baby, what you're trying to do and the rockets red glare, we will blow up your entire country. But like I wish we could treat people like these countries that we're never gonna pay because like whole like other countries also have massive amounts to debt, and no

one talks about it. No one's blowing up America's phone every day like y'all, where's my money? That's not what you do, like I said, because we got all the guns. But listen, like saying, you might only be one thousand, three hundred dollars in debt, and now your cousin Joe Joe keep blowing up your cell phone, like, bro, this is nowhere near what America it was, Like, stop it, sir, I'm at the enemy's leave me alone. Like, what are you talking about? I told you it's gonna pay you.

This is a personal story. What are you talking about? It sounds like you owed someone named cousin Joejoe or something. People. Sorry, okay, my bad, my best is human hair. What are you talking about? And this jewelry is real? Belout yourself. What's happening with the numbers? So listen. Also, good Will, I heard good Will is doing an online store. I'm gonna get to the numbers. I'm trying to talk to you. Listen, I heard you something a good Will was doing online story.

They're gonna sell the stuff online. They're gonna make an e commerce and everything. You know, But like why, like you're supposed to go inside and earn them itchy clothes? What's this? Is just cresch list without the creeps and the creeps with my favorite part. I have no idea what that means. Oh so you never sent somebody a picture for your eating exchange for an end table? Travel? Little classic? Did you say, send someone a picture of

your feet in exchange for an end table? Listen, you gotta give a little classic side boob for Ottoman spots, you know, a little shot at Georgia Peach. Sometimes you gotta furnish your first apartment anywhere you can travel. That was a real thing. Listen, get out of my business. All I'm saying is Craigslist was basically only fans, but for furniture. I've never heard of this. I've not listen. I've never planned to live this way again because I'm trying to marry well, and I heard you were talking

about an athlete, Aaron Judge. Yeah, um, he plays for the Yankees and they play baseball. He hit the home runs. Okay, baseball, yeah, I can say athlete. So he hit the home run? Yeah okay. So is he married or does he have a girlfriend or does he know? Does he like black girls? I mean either way, he's taken, like girlfriend, the wife he takes. Why does it? Why would it matter? Oh? It matters. Truff a wife, it's sacred. But a girlfriend, a girlfriend. Listen, you didn't stand before God and promise

anything for no girlfriend. There's no paperwork with no girlfriend. With the wife, the government is involved. Okay, that's the law. But with the girlfriend, she didn't. You put that bitch in the uber. It's over. It's a known fact. You don't. You don't owe that girl anything. Okay, Now listen, Aaron Judge, if you acting right, stick with me, baby, I get your seventy five for a season. Come on, no, nor more, don't sit normal encourage less. He's taken. Do so let's

get to the lots or numbers. Please, all right, just give us the numbers. Let's hey, fine, let's do that. Uh and the winner is Jojo. You've won one thousand, three d five dollars in sixty six because Jojo, I feel like that's an oddly specific number. Is that Is that the money that you owe your cousin, Jojo? Like I told you, Trevor, I don't owe people anything. No, this is your lottery. So you owe my cousin Joe. Joe,

get everybody slow and everybody all right. When we come back running, Chang is gonna get in the ring with an actual m M A fighter, So don't go away. Yeah, welcome back to the Data Show. You know, sports are of vital parts of human existence because without them, how else would men find an excuse to cry? Well, here at the Daily Show, we're always looking for the latest trends in the sports world, and it turns out Ronnie Chang might have found one. Boxing go puns itself in

the face and then on to cauliflower. You on here because right now there's a rural new conduct sports taking over, and it's called ultimate pillow fights ow some ice. When you think of pillows, you may think of those party scenes in movies, which I've totally invited the tons of these types of parties, or maybe you think of this guy, well, Goblin Dell because as a new pillow guy in town

and he's turning it lead though. I'm so excited to be here with the creator of the pillow Fighting Championship. Can you please tell me what makes this pillow fighting so exciting? Do you smell the people when they're down and that breaks in the pillows? Do you put razors in it? Just a pillow? So it's literally just fighting with a pillow, fluffy pillow with our special pillows. Are you lying in bed one night on your pillow and

thinking you know what I could take? Someone's asked of this um sex with my brother's idea we were going to start an m M a club and he said, I think m m as uh saturated. Um. He said, monmould do a pillow fighting. He was right. So why would this be appealing to anybody? Some people don't like violence. They don't want to see all the blood, but they still want to see a good competition. The human damage is part of sports. There's no violence and damage around

this little damage. I'm gonna get a pillow fights. I used to practice making out of pillows as a kid. It. I hope Steve has a backup plan because I can't imagine any athletes lining up to play a sport that is a sport. Who's your current pillow fighting champion, Urie Villefort? You I will beat the ship out of your champion. I will prove to you that this isn't a sport done. I wouldn't even need to take steroids for this. I couldn't wait to meet the preview best, an intell loser

dominating and pillows. Whoa, whoa, Sorry this was the pillow champ? Did you fail that the other mush arts? Is that why you're pillow fighting? No, I'm a middleweight champion in jiu jitsu. Turns out, Urie Villeford is a pro m m A fighter and a second degree black belt in Brazili jiu jitsu who has won multiple tournaments. So if that's the question, why are you doing this? I think pillow fight is going to be bigger than any martial arts.

Anybody can win, so it's easy. It's not easy. I'm saying anyone can win, So it does not mean it's easy, but it's not easy. You're gonna get tight and you gotta you gotta work to win, all right, Fine, so how do you even win in pillow fighting. So it's all about the head shots, right. So if I throw the pillow like this, it's one point. If I hit it like this, it's two points. But now if I hit it and you lose your balance putting your hand and putting your knee on the floor, that's three points.

And you get minus ten points for even pillow fighting because it's stupid. It's easy to make fun of pillow fighting, but you actually need a lot of skew training for work. Because you're gonna fight. You don't need training to do this. There's no training in this. It's pillow fighting. What's this weapon? What's this deadly weapon that you're using your pillows? Pick? It's a pick? Oh? What the out? Now you read? So if you still think this is done, how about

set up a fight tonight? Fine? Fine, fine, already said he killed me in the ring, so he was gonna get me the fight with of his students instead. Maybe I do need some training. Luckily I know someone who's a pillow expert. Come on my Groundma petal better than this and she died in Are you ready? No, it's raining outside while training the rain, so people know you're serious. Fish without ducking ball. How why are you throwing all the ship at me? I'm clearing up my garage. Two birds,

it's the moment. I don't know about this one. I'm on man, right up inside that room. That's some of the most o g pillow fighters in the game. You beat them, you'll be ready for the championship. Tonight made me proud because we would feel like a ship. He give the hold, get the store again. Ll like a shady end, handy end, black, a campy end. And that's my little pillow fighter ready to take on it. Oh ho dog. It was the longest montage of my life, but I was ready to get in the ring and

fluff him up. What the hell is this? Par cool pillow fight? Scoring this one point glean shot to the head, two points for a three sixty, with a clean shot to the head, three points for a knock down. You can only strike with the pillow, and there's no blocking above the head, well, you know, blocking about the head. The whole thing is he's aiming from my head. I'm supposed to do. Move, I go back to your corner

and fight. I didn't know I was fighting the Bruce Lee of KFC oh is that legal one two three four. I can't believe I was getting my ass kicked, my package feathers. I'm gonna have PDSD every time I go to bed. But then I remembered something Roy said, pay pay m h M and the winner by knockout Leo Carpato. Maybe I was wrong about pillow fighting. My broken body

is saying this is very much a sport. But as Rocky Barboa said, if I can change, and you can change everybody, thank you so much for I want to change right. Thank you, Because when we come back, we'll be talking to the New York Times reporter who's broken all your favorite stories on Donald Trump, Maggie Hayman, and we'll be journeing me on the show. Everyone, so don't

go away. Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is a cunic surprise winning New York Times unless she's here to talk about her explosive book that is out this week called Confidence Man, The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America. Please welcome Maggie Haberman.

Maggie Haberman, welcome to the Danish Show. Thanks for having me. Um. You have written a book that many have called the ultimate guide to Donald J. Trump, because it feels like you have an understanding of him that few, never mind journalists,

few human beings do. And and what's interesting is every time I've seen your reporting on him, every every time I've seen him comment on you, and the conversations you have with each other, and the interviews that he grants you, even though he seems to hate you, but then he

likes you. It seems a little bit like the like, like the relationship Hannibal Head with Clarice, Like I can't tell if you if you have a mutual admiration for each other, fascination as a journals, explain to me why he keeps speaking to you and then off to it says to you, why would you write the things that he said to you? First of all, thank you and

thank you for having me a couple of things. Look, he's a subject who I cover, and I have covered a number of politicians over the last twenty six years. I covered Hillary Clinton, I covered Mike Bloomberg, I covered Rudy Giuliani, who in many ways was a proto Trump, at least in certain aspects of his behavior. Uh. And now it's very much like Trump and and has become it's more similar to him. Over time. Trump needs the media in a way that's unlike any other politician I've

ever seen. He craves attention, and I explore this in the book. He just constantly wants to hold the media's gaze, and he wants to see if he can sell you on a version of himself, and he wants to get what he would call a good story. Literally, those would be the words, a good story. And then you write about him accurately and he says that it's unfair, you know. So there's that's that's the dynamic you're talking about. But he basically, you know, he's obsessed with the New York Times.

That is a lot of what this is about. You know. He is uniquely focused on the paper. And I'm just the person who has covered him more often than not. It really feels like he is somebody who is frozen in time because everything he's obsessed with seems to be something that was popular when he reached some sort of zeitgeists himself, you know. So it will be the New York Times, and then he'll complain about certain magazines but not others, and then SNL he'll have a he has

a certain pension for but then not other shows. It's like it's an interesting world that he exists in that isn't current, but but seems current to him. And in the in the book, you talk about how he lives minutes to minute when the rest of us move almost from twenty four hours to twenty four hours. But it doesn't seem like he's plagued as much by the things we think he is as as he actually is. Like

do we what do we misunderstand about Trump? I actually think you understand really well based on everything you just said. I think there is a uh, there is a preserved and amber quality to him. You just describe that about how all of his cultural touchstones are in the nineteen eighties, which is when he was reaching his height. He loves to talk about how many times he's on the cover of Time magazine. Um, you know, national news magazines, weeklies are are not in their heyday right now, and yet

he talks about it all the time. The celebrities he talks about are from the nineteen eighties. The sports figures generally are from the nineteen eighties. It's when he was rising to prominence. And I agree with you that I think there is a degree which he has just stuck there, and he's also stuck there culturally. He's stuck there in terms of racial politics. He has stuck there in terms of New York City's machine boss politics from that era, and he exported so much of that onto Washington and

onto the Republican Party. The other thing that I think that people don't understand, and I try to show this and explore this, is his fascination with violence and how much violence informs what he thinks of strength, and then strength in terms informs what he thinks is a strong boss or a strong leader. So you will hear him praise you know, a local machine party boss, like a former Brooklyn Democratic Party head as ruling with an iron fist. He'll he use the same words about shij and Ping,

the president of China, who's an authoritarian. Um, it's all contextless and kind of flat and the same, and I think people miss that. Yes, he's playing to crowds. Yes he will say whatever he has to say to survive small increments of time. But ultimately the scenarios that exist for him kind of stay the same. But what makes

him scarier In my reading of this book is. People often see Donald Trump as somebody who is setting the trends, But as as you read through this book and as you understand the man, you come to realize that he is oftentimes victim of the trends, and then he plays

to them. So he'll say something to his crowd that he believes the crowd won't vibe with it, and so then he'll change what he believes in to keep going with the crowd, which makes him even scary because if you think about authoritarian leaders or any others out there who go I rule with an iron fist, their fist is their fist. But Donald Trump says, how would you like my fist to be? And then he keeps it

in that direction. Like so, when when you look at them, when you see that man, isn't that a scarier place to be? And the people around him do they do they notice that? Or do they think that he's controlling his own narratives? It depends on how close they get to him, and it depends, frankly, on how willing they are to parrot the perverted, preferred version of himself that

he presents. So there's two versions of himself that he can tolerate one that he really wants, which is adulation and hero worship when he gets that in certain quarters of the conservative media and from some of his aids. And then there's you know, the portrait of him as competent, strong man. Um This book is neither one of those. And and and I think explains exactly who he is. There are people around him who recognize that he is

often playing to the room, the crowd. He is taking his cues from Fox News, and then it became this kind of circular feeding cycle with Fox News where they would say something and he would pick it up and amplify it, and then they would cover it more. And

that is often how he makes decisions. And I explore how whether that was about not wanting a mask mandate during COVID, or whether he was attacking football players who were taking a knee in protested police brutality, or when he was at Sea Pack in two thousand eleven and he saw that attacking Ron Paul was playing well to the crowd. It's always in response to how's it playing. He exists in interesting space in the world because you know,

Donald Trump is the man. But then you talked about in the book there's also Donald Trump the idea, and you give us truly one of the most comprehensive insights into how the man was forged. Many people around the world don't know that he was considered a joke in many New York circles in business and entertainments, whatever field

it was. Many people don't realize. And you talk about this in the book How the Apprentice was in some ways a sort of joke idea of like, oh, this guy will tell you how to run your business because he was so terrible, but he was so captivating on screen, he was so magnetic. He knew how to create entertainment. And then it became the tail wagging the dog. People

saw the show, they went, he must be successful. And then because of that, his success started rising and he went from the doldrums of nothingness back to being a semi successful person. So then I wonder when you when you look at Donald Trump and you think of him through the lens of entertainment and politics, do you think Donald Trump has broken America? Because you say that the making of Donald Trump in the Breaking of America. Do you think he's broken America? Or do you think he's exposed?

How America is broken. I think he has exposed aspects of how America has broken and fueled and exploited that for his own gain. I think that the partisan divide that exists in this country started in the nineteen nine I started before that, but it really really accelerated in the nineteen nineties, and then there were a series of

national traumas that voters reacted to. There was an impeachment of Bill Clinton, there was a terrorist attacks in the US, there were wars that followed, there was an election in two thousands settled by the Supreme Court. Uh. You know, there was the fiscal crisis where most people who were seeing responsible were not punished. All of that left an impact on voters looking for something that they thought they

were finding in him. But his ethos that he came to define in New York in that period you're talking about in the nineties really was hate as a civic good. Hate should be a civic good. He would talk about that. He would talk about in the context of racial violence in New York, that he would want to hate people, and that is what he exported. So he didn't create it, but he fueled it, and he has benefited from it.

And there is a tremendous trickle trickle down effect. He has an interesting, you know, paradoxical vibe to him at times because on the one hand, and maybe this place to what you're saying, or it's an example of it, he plays to the room. You know, I've interviewed Republicans who at the very beginning and say like, no, I've spoken to him. He's fine. He just says that's to the crowd, and then they themselves months later and be like, I'm shocked. I didn't think he would do this. I

didn't think he would go this way. You have said in the book, and you say from the beginning, this man is the most consistent person. Ironically, he is going to be who he is and he always has been in many ways. And you even break down his techniques in the interview or when he's dealing with with press, you know, you you almost break them down like like video game character moves, where you go, he's going to defend, he's going to deny, he's gonna he's gonna shift the blame.

He's gonna get angry, he'll perform the anger. You talk about all these things. Why do journalists now not understand this. Why did journalists still get tricked or trapped into a place where they go Trump, what is this? And then he spins them and then they're like, oh, you did it again to me? Why does that still happen? I think, in fairness to my colleagues, I think for the most part,

people realize who Donald Trump is at this point. I think that when he became president, people particularly in the Washington press corps, many of whom did not follow the campaign in did not know who he was the person that they were dealing with. How effective he is at getting media around his finger to do what he wanted. I think people generally do understand that now. I think you have seen far fewer interviews from Mara a Lago over the course of the last eighteen months, despite his

desire to hold the media's gaze. Now, whether that changes when he's a nominee potentially or a candidate almost certainly, I think that an open question, and we're going to see how that goes. One of the more fascinating parts of the book that I truly enjoyed a somebody who's been immersed in this world for a long time is

the brewing clash between Donald Trump and Rhonda Sanctus. Rhonda Sanctus is somebody who, in my opinion, has slowly started adopting elements of Trump in order to win over Trumpers, but then doesn't transform himself into Trump so that he seems like a reasonable choice. I mean, like I watch him even talking in like a briefing, and he started using hands like Trump. He starts doing little moves like Trump. He starts speaking in Kurt's sentences like Trump, very good,

very good. Doesn't change his voice, but he dresses in the front piece suits like Trump. He has like not really I think I think he's emulated enough of Trump to to to take Trump's people, but they're not so much of Trump to to, you know, dissuade the middle voters who wants somebody who's reasonable. And it seems like Donald Trump is starting to realize that Rhonda Sanctus is stealing his vibe and he doesn't like it. You know, he's not happy about it. And he thinks that he

made into Santis. And he talked about this with me in interviews last year. Then you know he was responsible for to Santis. You know, I said, Ron, you're at three percent, and so you know, when Ron asked for my endorsement, he told me that he, you know, he thought he would beat anybody very easily. I asked if he had talked to De Santis about running against him or de Santis running against him. He said that hadn't

come up, but it's clearly on his mind. And he's been privately trashing him to any number of people, which is often what he does when he's he trashes him about his his weight. Well, he's been pract he's been trashing him privately to people fat phony, whiny. So Trump has been saying that run to Sanctis is fat, right, Okay, um, it's it's It's interesting because you also talked about in the book why you think and how you think Trump sees the presidency and what it brings him. He's in

a different position to what he was in before. Before it seemed like it was, you know, a joy ride. It seemed like another push for publicity, maybe to get more money for the Apprentice or whatever. But now it seems like there are more stakes. You know, he may want the politics, but he's also worried about the investigation,

and he's also worried. Do you then think, knowing him the way you do, and having the interviews that you've had with him and the people around him, do you think that then, in a weird way, Runda Sanctists is now the biggest threat to Trump because if Runda Sanctists manages to take the Republican Party away from Trump, Trump loses his best opportunity to escape all of the cases that are coming and all the people that are coming

for him. Whether it's ROUNDA Santis or someone else, the biggest threat to Donald Trump is that someone will stop him in the Republican Party. Now, a number of donors and a number of conservatives are hopeful to Santis. Is it. We are just seeing de Santis on a national stage in a way we haven't before with with the hurricane response, and so we'll see how that goes. He has at a couple of off moments, not not in the last day, but he has had a couple of off moments and

handling it. Everyone looks very good until they're on the bigger stage. And that is one thing Trump is aware of is that the difference that he brought to running for president over other candidates was he had been in the media spotlight for decades and it is just something that is completely different now. The party is different in overall how deals with the national media. Republicans are very

aggressive against national reporters at this point. To Santas has obviously co opted that from Trump to to Santas does not need or crave national attention in the media the way Trump does. Trump is definitely aware to Santis is a threat. I think it is too soon to say what that looks like before I let you go, because I mean, it's an amazing book. We could talk for hours about It's Trump is a force unlike any other

in American and maybe even world politics. He's inspired so many other countries when I when I travel, people will have these strange opinions about him. I've never seen anything like it where other countries have opinions about Trump as if they vote for him as well. People on the ground, genuinely, you don't really see that. And it feels like he

has turned American politics forever. When you speak to him, does he have an acknowledgement of the volatility that he's dealing with or does he only think of it through the lens of Trump and entertainment and getting to the end goal? Or is there even a part of him that goes, if I if do this incorrectly, I could I could blow up the country as a whole. I don't think there's a ton of the introspection that you

just described. I think that's I think. I think in general, he looks at everything in terms of how it impacts him. And even when he has told that something is going bad, even if he's conscious of it, he will be aware that something is problematic for others. But for whatever, you know, three D chess in his head, and it isn't literally three D ches, but how he's how he's gaming this out. He won't allow himself to acknowledge that because that would be a sign of weakness, or that would be giving

somebody else a chit. And so even if that's a consideration, you're never going to hear him say that. You will hear him say you know, he threw himself the other day. I'll just give you an example. He volunteered himself to try to solve the war between Russia and Ukraine, to be a peacemaker. This is a this is a classic Donald Trump move, which is I'm going to throw myself into this national situation that doesn't involve me at all.

You know, he did. He was offering himself up as Reagan's arms negotiator with the Soviet Union in the early nineteen eighties. He actually did that. He literally was offering himself up this way and so now obviously he was not taken up on it. But um, it's a little different when it's a former president doing this and it's just in his head. The context just doesn't change. The moves are all the same. Every part of the book

is interesting. You have notes from Donald Trump, whinstance because you obviously send them to him, you know, say, this is what I'm writing. Do you have any comment or anything. Some of them are like him just going like fake news. He scribbled and he sent you the sever fake news. Some of my favorites were the ones where he's like, oh, this is great. I never thought of it like this. It's like, there's like weird, there's weird interesting parts in

how he sees you and what you're doing. I mean, there's a fascinating story about Rudy Giuliani taking the biggest dump in a private plane I've ever heard from Trump. It's a book that covers everything, and honestly, I hope a lot of people read it before the next election comes, because I think it gives a lot of much needed insight. Maggie, thank you so much for joining on the show. Appreciate you. Confidence is that now wherever you get your books people

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