A Look Back at the Experts - Beyond the Scenes

you're gonna like it. Welcome to Beyond the Scenes, the podcast that goes deeper into segments and topics that aired on the Daily Show with Trevor Nolla. This week, we're taking a look back at some of the many amazing guests and experts We've been lucky to have on the program. I've had everybody from members of Congress to medical professionals, even professional singers and songwriters. Now, let's take a look at some of our favorite moments with our guests who

provided us with their wisdom and expertise. The first expert we have up is Congresswoman Jackie Spear, who talks to us about the pink tax and why certain goods and services cost women more than they do men the same thing that a man boy a woman bout it post more. It's ridiculous, and she was even kind enough to give us a little show and tail. Let's check it out. Congresswoman Spear, welcome to beyond the scenes. It is my pleasure. Thank you for having me, well, thank you for letting

me be a man and this woman. Too bad. We don't rule the world though, just because we're ruling this particular podcast, that's the problem. We're not ruling the world yet. I would be honest. I felt uncomfortable hosting this episode. I was like, Dazi need the guest host. I don't want to get in trouble. You're doing great, Roy, Okay, before we do anything, we have to define what the issue is. So Daisy Stacy, let's start off off the top.

What is the pink tax? Well, the pink tax refer to the markup on goods and services that are specifically being targeted to women and gender price discrimination. So Roy, you everything you buy is cheaper than the same products we want to buy. Okay, So if we both bought deodorant and your and mine is man deodorant and yours is woman deodorant, same brand. You're paying more than me, is what you're saying, Stacy. It's more expensive for us to smell good than for you, which is why Stacy

and I refuse to smell good. Yeah, you're lucky this is on zoom Roy because you don't want to smell this. Okay, let us back in the studio. Yes, okay, nothing to do with COVID. So congress Woman, Congresswoman, I'm sorry. I apologize for both of them. Um, why why does the pink tax exists? And more importantly, how do manufacturers and retailers justify this tax? Well, the pink tax exists because it's a form of gender discrimination. It's not just about pink.

It's about the fact that women's products cost more than men's products, um, when they are basically identical. Um. It is important for us to address this because, as we all know, women still make less than men. Uh. For every dollar mannerns, a woman makes a d two cents. If you look at women of color, it's even more egregious. And that's real money. When everything is said and done,

are there other examples of this other than deodorant? Because, and I'll be honest as a man, this isn't something that you would normally think about, because you're not buying a lot of women's items unless you're a committed strong man in a relationship like I am. So you're not aware of this. Giv me what what other items other than deodorant? I have heard that women get worse deals on cars. But let me give you some products that kind of make the case. All right, So this is

um Dove deodor for men and women. And as you can see here, for a four pack, a woman is gonna pay nineteen dollars and thirty nine cents. The man's gonna pay thirteen dollars and fifty eight cents. That's just the odor. Let's move on. How about probiotics for women? Umto seventy nine, seventy nine for a man? All right, this like the price is right? Let me guess it's the price is wrong though. That's the problem, always wrong. So the price is right needs to have a gender

separate episode, maybe so huh So look at this. These are bibbs, right, bibbs for boys, bibbs for girls, A dollar more for the girls. Bibbs. Now wait, there's more, what there's more? Oh my god, these are kids diapers. The kids diapers thirty seven dollars for the girl, thirty three dollars for the boy. But I'll show you the same discrimination stipers and boys have more happening to fill

out diaper space. So really square footage, it should cost more for the men, right, probably because they need more absorbents, They need more absorbent material, so it's right right. Yeah. Now, we did this same study two or three years ago, um, and they were egregious around children's toys. So I had my interns do this just this week and this is what they found online at retailers throughout the country. So this is up to date, current. So what are we

gonna do about it? How does price discrimination add another layer to the wage inequality that women also deal with? Well, it's yet another blow. Um. When I did the service review in we found out through the Assembly Office of Research in California that women were paying fourteen hundred dollars in a gender tax every year, more than men. So imagine, on top of the fact that we're in a seat

she session, not a recession. More women are out of work than men, and there's one point three million women who have left the workforce since COVID hit and have not returned, in part because of the lack of childcare. This number is the highest number of women not employed since So you couple that with women out of work, women getting paid less than men, and on top of that,

products are and services are costing them more. There ought to be a law, and that's why I've introduced the Pink Tax Repeal Act and we have fifty one co sponsors on it. Now, this issue, this pink tax issue, when we talk about the say the word again, a she session, a she session in sentiari, does this she session strike women equally or even within that is their additional inequities based on race? Oh, no question. UM, it's more egregious for women of color, UM, African American women,

Tina women, UM. And the amount of loss and income UH is the greatest for Latina women. So your Pink Tax Repeal at it's bipartisan and basically we're trying to get all of these manufacturers and retailers on the same plane to basically say, if it's something as simple as deodorant and it both you keep both of y'all from being musty, it should be the same price. That's right, unless you can. I'm sure it's not worded like that.

I'm sure you worded it more professionally. You probably said FTC an attorney general, you used a lot of the the words. That's right. We did use more proper words to basically say, if you don't play by these rules, you're going to be sued. And so then the bill has forty eight co sponsors right now. Has there been any pushback that you've seen so far on your proposal? And the numbers have grown, it's now at fifty one,

and I've talked to the chairwoman of the subcommittee. She loves the bill, and we're gonna have a hearing on it and hopefully get it to the House floor within the next few months. And we can credit you with helping me get it over the top. Disy, no credit here, no credit here. What role can consumers play in provoking change? Consumers? I mean, you know the problem. You are the problem well, and the problem is that it's not illegal in most states to charge more for services based on gender or

charge more for products. You should not be discriminating on goods and services based on gender. It should be based on the time it takes to do a service. And what's in the product. Women pay about more to get their hair cut than men do, and they pay about six more at the dry cleaners for the same service for the same item, and then for car repairs they

pay about more. Now in California, back in the nineties, I had legislation pass that was signed into law that said for services you had to base it not on gender, but on the amount of time it takes to provide that service. For instance, I timed the last time I got my hair cut. It took ten minutes, and I watched a man getting his haircut and it took longer.

So if we do base it on time, then I think you're just see the tables turned a little bit, and then there'll be an outcry from you guys because you're gonna be paying more for your two dollar dry cleaning shirt. Wouldn't would you say that you all were first aware of a pink tax existing, because you know, you gotta figure you have a little bit of a blind spot to certain inequities, and then one day you just go, wait a minute, When was when was your

wait a minute moment? Congress warm When I started with you, it was when I took my husband's Oxford shirt shirts to the dry cleaner, and they were, you know, a dollar fifty a shirt, and my Oxford shirt costs you know, three fifty four dollars. That's when I thought, wait a minute, something's wrong here. I can remember when I first started shaving my legs around six seven years old. It was

a very hairy child. Uh No, I was thirteen, twelve, thirteen somewhere around there, and my mom bought me a razor and some shaving cream, and I remember the Gillette razor being considerably more expensive than what men use, and my mom refusing to buy me that razor and also bought me a can of Barbesal, like the old school men's shaving cream. And so when I shaved my legs, I use like I just used the stuff for ment. And I still, if I'm being honest, I still have

an affinity for the smell of Barbesal. That's why I just never shaved my leg Mine was. I went through a terrible phase where I had um what called pixie haircut, to be nice about it, and I went to a hair salon and the girl's haircuts were like about twenty dollars more, and I was like why I'm literally getting the same haircut as that guy in the chair and I just at the time thought that they were just a really like sexist hair place, and they were like,

oh women, you know you guys have more layers. I'm like, it's the exact same haircut. And then it wasn't until I went to your office and I was ashamed. I was like, oh my god, this is a thing, like another thing to add on top of everything else. So you opened my eyes, Congresswoman good. We want to open the eyes of both men and women in this country to recognize that this is another form of discrimination that

we've got to stamp out. Big thank you to the Congresswoman Spear for giving us a little bit of our time. Our next expert after the break is going to talk to us about the way nurses have been treated during COVID, actually mistreated. It's beyond the scenes. Welcome back. You know what, man, that Prices Wrong segment was really eye open as CBS needs to develop that into a Price's Right spinoff. Hit me up, Drew Carrett, I got nothing but time. Trevor got my number. Next up, I chat with the doctor

of Nursing Dr Christopher Freese. Now, I know his name sounds like a bit of a supervillain, but I assure you he's a hero in a white coat. I chatted with Christopher about how nurses have been coping during the pandemic, and he had some real eye opening things to say about the treatment of nurses. Give me a clip, Dr Freeze.

You know, when you look at healthcare in the modern era in this country, now, like it's not just about knowing your job from a techie technical I v find the vein standpoint you Also, it seems that the job of nurse is a little bit part sociologist as well, where you have to be able to relate to people. And I would even argue that there might be a little small element of social work and trying to just connect with people on a normal human basis. But you

have a lot of different confluences happening. What do you believe are the primary challenges for nurses and the health care system right now? Well, how much time do we have right now? Um? So, first I want to say that each and every day, nurses are delivering exceptional care across the country. They are they are getting it done for their patients Technically socially, physically. They are problem solving

behind the scenes there. You know, I call it, you know, part technical, part psychology, part air traffic controller, and and that's the part that a lot of people don't see. So a lot of excellent nursing care is still happening, but we're on the brink, and we've been on the brink for about almost two years now. So when we think about the priorities, what I'm really worried about is at some point our public health officials will have a lower level of concern for COVID than they do right now.

They will say, we're in a phase that we can quote manage this. We we have an ability. You know, the case counts are very, very low. We're not seeing these big white spikes that we're still seeing. And everybody's gonna say, oh, great, problems solving. They're gonna walk away and they're gonna leave nurses in the lurch without solving the underlying structural things that are happening to nurses every

day and have been happening for a decade. So my team has been studying nursing work places for two decades now. A couple of things that I'm very worried about. One is executives are not spending enough time on understanding the working conditions of nurses and how they need to fix them. They're not listening to nurses and solving their problems within the health care system. Exactly right. Executives in the health care system are not listening carefully to nurses concerns and

acting upon those concerns. When nurses tell they have a problem, they have a problem, they're not making it up. And when nurses have problems in their workplaces, we've known that patients are more likely to die, patients are more likely to have complications, patients are more likely to have to stay longer in the hospital. None of us want any of that. So firstus we have to have our health care executives listen deeply and carefully to nurses and work

very strategically on those problems. Then we have a couple of structural things, not very sexy, but we still allow many nurses, as you point out, to work mandatory over time. Their boss can come to them they've worked a twelve hours shift, it's five o'clock at night, they've worked ten hours NonStop, and their boss can come to them at five pm. And say, guess what, you're staying in another

four hours. And we don't do that to pilots. Your pilot flies you from New York to l A. They get off the plane and they go home and rest drivers either and they drivers to make sure they're not even cheating exactly right. So so we've got a couple of structural things like that. We also have well, guess what, we're running short on a nurse, so you're gonna take another one to three patients. And right now in the COVID area, we're seeing that in the I c U. I've never heard of that in the I c U

and twenty five years of nursing. So executives have decided to put the labor problems on the backs of nurses rather than solving the underlying problem. And I think that problem predated COVID and it's only gotten worse during COVID. So if we really focus on those issues, we're going to have a healthy, safe nursing workforce that can care

for us during COVID and after COVID. And if we don't pay attention to that stuff, we're going to be in a whole world of hurt and we're going to see more of the stuff that we're seeing now, Nurses leaving in droves, too many, too many patients to care for, unsafe staffing, etcetera. It's a vicious cycle. If we don't break the change, I'm I'm going to ask a question. It's going to seem more of it. But it's from

a fiscal place. Why would the executives they break the backs of the employees whose job it is is to help keep the customer a lot? Like if we're just going base level making money in health care, if people die that it's not good fiscally for business. So why would we create a place where the workers cannot do their job the right? What what is the advantage in an executive doing that? Like if we said they're not

a sponsor, let's just use Amazon for example. Okay, yeah, Amazon is gonna pay you as little as possible and not put you in a union because it makes them more money overworking nurses doesn't make you more money. The patient is the patient. The cost is the cost, So why would you want the patient to die? Like? What are the advantages in the executive infrastructure of a hospital in being assholes like this? Well, I have a lot of friends who are executives, So let me put that

on there. And I think a lot of that they're cool, you know what I mean? Those other people right, So you know, I think that first of all, a lot of the executives are trying to do the right thing, but we don't have the incentives lined up. And I spoke about this earlier. So Number one, when you, unfortunately are in the hospital and you get a bill when you go home, do me a favor and look at your bill and you tell me. This is a quiz

for everybody listening. Go take a look at that bill and tell me where the bill for nursing services is. You know where it is. Room and board nurses are part of the room and board part of a hospital bill.

So if you have cancer and I'm on college, you nurse, and I am giving you expert care for you, Lukenia, and I'm in your room every hour, drawing blood and checking your giving you blood products to save your life, and giving you antibiotics and all that stuff in and the person next to you or the room down the hall has an appendix removed and they're there for twelve hours and I give them to tile in all and send them on their way. The bill for the day

is the same. So right now, nurses are widgets in the hospital and they are the largest part of the hospital budget. And so when times get tough, guess where they're gonna cut. Guess where they're going to cut the corner without nurses stepping up and saying this is no longer safe, this is no longer acceptable. We need a different structure. And so it's a it's a tricky thing.

It's gonna be hard to solve. But what I'm what executive can do right now is really listen carefully to what their nurses are telling them and act on it. And what they can do tomorrow is eliminate mandatory over time because that's unsafe, and we know it's unsafe, and they can work carefully to get those numbers right so that we have an adequate number of nurses to care

for the patients because it's unsustainable. But the primary problem is we do not value, either numerically or monetarily, the kind of nursing care that patients in the US need in hospitals. One of the things that I found researching that you really struck me was just, you know, not just the level of care, but just all of the different types of care that nurses do that I don't think we really think of that. You know, it's not it is drying blood and it is giving medicine, but

you're also you're helping patients shave, you know. The nurses are the ones holding the phones that people can talk

to patients. Like, there's a lot of things that if you did put them on a hospital bill, it would probably look like a CBS receipt, you know, because it's like, all right, that's like, you know, maybe maybe we should start, you know, putting those on so people can actually understand that that type of care because or talking to the doctor and the pharmacist when you're not even the room to say you just ordered an errant medication that's going to put this patient at risk. Do you really want

to do that? Yeah? Or you know, So there's all this work happening behind the scenes, this air traffic control function. Nobody sees it and nobody's paying for it. It's just happening, and it's part of my work. And so you can either have me overloaded where I'm trying to do that for too many planes, too many patients in this example, or we can do it in a way where I have the time and space to really care for patients or teach them about their new leukemia diagnosis or their

new surgery, whatever they just had done. So you get what you pay for. And right now we're lumping this into room and board. It's basically a Hyatt bill. Sorry if they're a sponsor of yours, but you know we don't. I love this idea of the scene because if we did that for a nurse, what did you do for this patient for twelve hours? It would be a sicker tape parade. Is there anything that the general public can do?

Because so much of what you're talking about is it seems to be in my opinion, just from my perspective again as a guy who only goes to hospitals to still blankets. A No, I don't take them like manteline. Don't clean it up for me. It's still them. These are very wonderful blankets. As a person who's just on the outside looking in, and it seems that allot of the solutions here lie within the institution. But how do I, as just Joe blow citizen, what can I do to

help alleviate some of these challenges. Is it looking at what our elected officials are doing? How much does politic? Is there someone I need to vote out? Like? What can do I show up to the hospital and dry to protest? Like what can we do as regular people to help be a part of the solution on this issue. Yeah, So a couple of things. First of all, it's not just the blankets. The real money is the warm blankets, So make sure you ask for that next time. Oh nice,

it will change your life. It will change your life. So thank you all. Thank You're very welcome for that tip. So what can the public do? A couple of things. One is, if you get great care at your facility, right the CEO of the hospital and mention the people who cared for you by name and tell them what

a great job they did. And if you saw quality of care concerns, if you heard about man a tory over time or unsafe staffing, put that into and say, hey, this is not what I expect from my community hospital because they are accountable to the public. Most of our hospitals in the country are nonprofit and they're supposed to serve the community, so they need to respond to you. If you know a hospital executive, you can say what are you doing to keep your nurses safe? And the

answer shouldn't be pizza parties or coloring books. The answers should be eliminating mandatory over time, humane staffing levels, and listening to nurses and acting on their issues. And do you have a safety committee for nursing and healthcare workers? We have patient safety committees in every hospital. Do we have a group of experts focused on healthcare workers safety? Missing piece? Finally for the policy piece, a couple of points.

Every state healthcare most hospital issues are managed at the state level. Moving throughout the country is legislation on UM penalizing verbal and physical abuses towards healthcare workers. Zero tolerance. You hit or strike a nurse, or you call him a name, you're out, full stop. We're not gonna. We're not gonna, you know, with limited circumstances, you are we we are not obligated to treat you, and you can

be charged with a with a crime. UM Also mandatory staff, mandatory overtime, and staffing ratios that are humane and safe. There's legislation in many states. California has a staffing mandate UH. Some states are working on banning mandatory overtime. We know those work that keeps not only nurses safe, but it keeps patients safe. So so those are a couple of things. And then the final thing at the federal level we

talked about the nursing pipeline for faculty. We don't have enough funding to incentivize expert nurses to either stay at the bedside to teach, or to teach in nursing schools. And if we want more nurses, that's where we need to start. And that's a solvable problem. That's a we have money, right, I hope we have money. That's a

money problem that we can solve. And our nursing schools, you know, we can work on our back end to make it work that we can add, you know, bring more of those people in that we're turning away year after year after year. Well, I'm happy that you are a nurse educator and that you're a nurse, and that you're a doctor of nursing because with a name like you know, Dr Freeze, you easily could have been a villain or some sort of comic book person that wreak

havoc on the city. But instead you reek love. Dr Christopher Freese, thank you so much for going beyond the scenes with us today, and Madeline, I will see you again on year. I don't know, see the next pizza party. Right, We'll be right back with more of Guess what guessing? Yes, beyond the scene, that was a good guess. I knew you were smart. Shout out to all our nurses out there who work long hours and who deserve way more

than a pizza party. And this next clip, I chat with singer songwriter Alo Black about how musicians have been getting short changed by the streaming industry and how he got involved in the fight better give us our money. I mean, I'm a comedian. I don't make as much streaming as musicians, but still I want them for the eight It's my road to Cliff It's my money. I

want it. I did not know that the number was forty three billion dollars that the music industry brought in last year, Yet somehow artists only got at at foot. You wouldn't have this ship without us, That's what I'm saying, especially now because like back in the day, it seemed like, oh well, music labels did work. You know, they got the records into the store and they did promotion and they you know, they got it out there to people.

But alum, and now you probably do a lot of that stuff for yourself now, right, Yeah, Ali, break this down. How did you get involved in this? Because I know that you were very vocal about this. I got involved because I had one of the biggest songs in the

world and twenty three waked me up. Wake me up when it it's all over, when I'm wiser and I'm all this time, I was finding myself didn't know I was, And I was looking at the streams total and then looking at the money that came in from the streams total, and it just wasn't making sense. So I'm a songwriter and a singer. Not every artist who's singing their songs is also writing the songs. But when I looked at

the math, it just wasn't it wasn't adding up. You know, I'd rather have a dollar per download or somebody purchasing a CD than point zero zero four cents for a stream It's it's not a it's not a it's not a tenable situation for most of the artists. Do you think Alo, just as an artist, do you think that streaming what are what are some of the pros of streaming?

Do you think it's saved the music industry to a degree, because the music industry was take in a bath, and I know that's where a lot of those three sixty deals came from, because the record labels figured out, oh, ship, we're not gonna make any money off you from album sales. So I will on a piece of your t shirts and your live nation and all your tour dates, and then we'll make sure your song gets on the radio. So do you think streaming in a way save the

music industry? I do give it some credit. So I was part of the nast generation. When I was in college, I was downloading all kinds of free music, and so it wasn't gonna be possible for artists to make money off everybody's downloading the music for free. Having an organized system by which there is some sort of subscription paid, some money paid, we will put money back into the system that gets distributed to the artist. However, the way that the system works right now isn't an equitable system.

So I would give the streaming industry some credit for saving the music industry, But it was also in a moment where we're always rapidly transforming with with and and progressing evolving with technology. G things are always going to change. If we can have artists at the table though, to make some of those decisions on how it changes, um so that we can continue to offer value, really valuable music and art, then I think it'll make for a

much more fair and fair play playing ground. You know, alo, what's different about this battle now, because as far as I know, the record industry has always been shady. Is it the addition of the streamers now playing the role of co conspirator or is it the fact that this system, this construct was kind of built before our eyes over the last you know, ten to fifteen years, Good question. It was built before our eyes. You saw it happening.

What you didn't see was the inside baseball where Spotify, looking like it's standing alone, is ultimately heavily heavily invested in by the major record label corporations. So Spotify doesn't really have much say. And when I joined the fight, I was joining the fight really as a songwriter. Look, what is John Lennon or Paul McCartney without the lyrics and melody that they wrote? Right? What is a song

without the lyric and the melody. You could get a great Michael Jackson song and here three four hundred different versions of it. Right at the end of the day, it's that that unitary piece, that that more sol that nucleus, the songwriting. And when I learned that the songwriters get one of the income out of all this, I thought

to myself, that doesn't make any sense. Uh what where where would the music industry be without the that piece of intellectual property, the actual song writing, the underlying work. And so I just started doing more digging and just getting involved in the fight. That's the problem, the rates paid per stream, Like, how do we make this more equitable? The problem is the rates paid per stream. And the issue is that as an artist, as a businessman, right,

I don't get to choose my price. Any other industry you get to choose your price as a as an entrepreneur, you get to say, this is what I'm willing to sell my wares for, and if there's a willing buyer, then so be it. If there's not, then I die by my own sword, and I want to be able to choose my price. You're gonna tell me that, um Bill Withers lean on me is worth point zero zero four per stream, same as uh. I don't even want to name no artists right now, but you know there's

a gang. You can just say it Royal with junior comedy albums from Comedy Central. It's not the same, princess. It's fine, I'll tell I'll lay on that grenade. It's fine. Take the hit. Yes, you can take the hit. So you you get me, right, And so what I think is, why can't Mr Wither's estate say nah, this is worth four dollars a stream, and if you don't like it,

so be it. But this is the price. It's not going down because this is what the worth is in terms of value you artistic credibility, authenticity, and um, what he delivered to the world. So you know, if there's going to be a number, at least let the artists decide and we can figure it out over time. What can fans do in general, because more often than not, this battle between artists and the record label. Traditionally, as a fan, I've always felt helpless, like when I you

can correct me. I'm sure you're more of a music encyclopedia than me, But I just won't name the artists. But I know that there have been traditionally a lot of rappers who speak out against their label and go I'm only getting fit this in a CD a dollar c D. And as a fan, the reaction from a lot of people, especially a lot of black people, a lot of hip hop fans, where you shouldn't design that deal not knowing the intricacies of how you get distribution

and how you get in stores at that time. But it seems like distribution is less of a necessary need. So what can we as fans do to even try to help support artists other than just set up eight laptops and just let all of them ships play all black. The best thing that you could do to support fans go directly to the fans and to the artist for the merchandise that they're selling. Um, the artists, if they have their own, uh, their own infrastructure, can deal with

you on a one to one basis. Um there are you know, many of the major artists have such a huge infrastructure around them that it's not going to be easy to do that. But for for independent artists and up and coming artists, they generally have their own merriach

website where you can buy a T shirt or whatever. UM, they might be able to to sell you a song one to one from there from their website as well their band camp or their tune core UM, and you know, share their music, share, share all the love, and spread the gospel of what they're doing so that when we do open back up and people can get into concerts, UM, they can get a chance to to get that that concert ticket money. UM. That's definitely one of the plays for for a lot of artists. I know a lot

of artists that survive off of that touring money. Here's a naive question, though, and this is coming from a guy that has seeing people go viral on TikTok and Twitch and YouTube and i G stories with their own original stuff who had no label, they had no support. What does the future of streaming look like? Because what

is the advantage of a record label? If I, like right now, what's to stop me from going in the studio, getting my ship recorded and mastered and then getting some I s R C code digital footprint embedded in the track and sending that out onto the internet and uploading that to set. Because there's ways for me to get on the streamer without a record label. I could just sentiment like there's digital distribution companies that are just take a pinch off of the dollar and I get to

keep seventy cents. So what's just stopping artist that's popular? Like why do I need a label if everybody's listening to their stuff from a streamer anyway, and I can get to a streamer without a label. Yes, that's a good question. Ultimately, the answer is, uh, whether or not

you're gonna be part of the global consciousness as an artist. Um, you may be in for a second, for a hot minute with your hot song, but um, you know, these big boys are are there to play and if you want to get that radio, you're gonna have to work with them because this is the the decades old kind

of you know, inside club. And then if you do have that one hit, they're gonna come at you with a huge bag and be like, look, here's a huge amount of money that we're gonna offer you to join our record label so that we could probably never pay attention to you again. Um, and you probably won't get all this money. It's just promised to you over time if you ah, if you perform, And so you know,

when you hear about these big multimillion dollar deals. These are usually spread out across ten albums, um, you know, and multiple years. The artist doesn't necessarily see all that money. And you're looking at a lot of young cats who are flossing, but they're flossing. They got a bag, but they're flossing off money that's not gonna last forever. That's not forever forever money, some of that's gonna be gone.

The reason why they end up going to the record labels is because they get that big, big paycheck in there in front of their face, rather than having to wait for the slow drip from the from the streams. What does it take then, because you know, there's independent artists that have stayed independent, like a guy that I two guys that I've enjoyed, one Immortal Technique, the other one Tech nine. And you know, Tech nine is a

rapper that if you know him, you know him. He definitely does not get the spins on regular radio, but seems to have carved out a decent living for himself. And well never, he's not gonna get mobbed at the airport the way Drake or somebody from Young Money would or whatever. But why do you think that or what does it take for the artists and the creators to realize that they're the ones with the power and not

the labels in the radio stations. It's gonna take uh a lot of communication from I'd say the more mature and seasoned artists in the music industry to work with some of the younger ones and help them to recognize, you know, young young cats. They're rebellious. They just want to do what they do and and get their money. Um, they're not really paying attention to the history of everything and and where the trend is leading, or at least where the the the activism within the within the artistry

is leaning. Um. It's it's a tough it's a tough battle. We're battling culture, um, cultural norms. We're battling, uh, some deep seated industrial norms. And I'll just keep trying to stand up and and and speak my and speak my truth, you know. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of the great guests and experts that we've had on the show. And when season two comes back around, oh man, we're gonna have some more. Be sure to listen to

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