Pope Francis’ Criticism of Vance and Trump Was a ‘Breath of Fresh Air
Apr 22, 2025•58 min•Season 1Ep. 518
Episode description
The New Abnormal hosts Andy Levy and Danielle Moodie reflect on Pope
Francis’ death at 88 and why the late pontiff was such a “breath of fresh air” in the current
climate. Then, Garrett Graff, publisher of Doomsday Scenario, joins the podcast to discuss his
latest piece on how the Trump administration’s defiance of the courts impacts the rule of law.
Plus, ProPublica reporter Alec MacGillis stops by to talk about what a halt of data collection at
the government means for climate change and more.
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