Ann Coulter Breaks Down MAGA Divide

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Thank you so much for joining me today. I I'm so happy to be with you. Obviously, I don't even need you I don't even think you need any introduction, but maybe for the one or two people who just got into politics like a month ago, you could give a quick intro of who you are and what you do. Massive New York Times bestselling author, 13 books. Most recently, Resistance is Futile, about how liberals.

keep attacking Trump for li illegitimate reasons, driving those of us who are even mad at him back into his camp. Um instead of just attacking him for the things they ought to be attacking him for. They're just Anyway, before that in Trump We Trust and before that Adios America which launched Trump's brilliant 2016 campaign and I wish you'd get back to that.

Yeah, no kidding. Well and and you have your fantastic sub stack as well, which I think is you know one of the best reasons be on everyone's. Thank you. I have a good column going up today.

I love it. I love it. Well I'll be on the lookout for that. Well, I wanted to bring you in to kind of discuss what you're touching on there, which is, um, I guess I want to kind of reframe the conversation from like what happened two weeks ago to What are what is the future of the GOP? Because I'm looking around and everywhere I look, I'm just very

honestly kind of discouraged because okay, Trump, you know, the d the divide between Trump and like I guess you would say like kind of the podcasters, the commentariat, very obvious. We all saw it play out. Um you know, many people are not happy with the way they went that that that went down.

To steel man Trump, I mean, you had some of them saying he should be impeached or he's crazy, you know, he needs to be 25th amendmented and that sort of stuff. So I can understand why he'd be upset, but you know, a lot of people also correctly point out that. I don't know, maybe like litigating this in front of the American public during a time in which your approval rating's going down probably isn't the best idea.

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Yes, good good point. Attacking your base. Great idea. Um Uh I mean, as for weather, uh don't worry. We're we're probably gonna lose midterms, he's probably gonna be impeached again. Um and um Unlikely they'll have enough votes in the Senate to remove'em, which probably wouldn't be good because that'll turn'em into a martyr. Maybe Democrats have learned. That's a perfect example of resistance is futile. They went after him so hard.

so hard because they can't stop themselves. Um, they ended up getting him

re-elected uh with with the popular vote no less. I mean I just think go back to the issues you ran on. Of course young people and a lot of the MAGA base are disappointed. The the three most important parts of the Trump agenda and what How he remade the Republican Party was no more stupid pointless wars, bringing manufacturing home and not bowing down to the Chamber of Commerce crowd, uh, who just, you know, are fine with cheap foreign labor, whether it's here or there.

Uh and most importantly immigration. Immigration, immigration, immigration. All right, we're losing our country. It's affecting I mean it isn't affecting apparently the very rich Um they're getting their pools cleaned, really cheap now, not even a little slime on the pools anymore. Um but but community after community is just is just overwhelmed by Not only people who are overwhelmingly bad for our country, um, they were bad for their own countries. That's why they are countries.

Failed. Um, you have people who are not used to living with freedom. They're used to authoritarian governments being bossed around. Um they certainly have I mean even the British don't understand our commitment to free speech. Forget about, you know, a Ugandan. Um and they're bad for for the communities. They j they aren't blending with the culture.

Uh it just seems to me we were talking about the friend of mine was talking about Reddit Dayar today, this totally cool guy who put out the fires, really macho thing, um during the first Ira Iraq war, um back under first President Bush. And I just feel like that whole um That whole spirit of our country uh is kind of dying or being overwhelmed by a lazy welfare recipient receiving

scamming third worlders as we've seen with the Somalis and just the massive welfare use, the massive um scams on Medicare and Medicaid. And what was what was so great about our country, even when You know, maybe technically the G D P wasn't that that high was that it was a country on the go. It was building, it was creating. It was you know, car man well, starting with the pioneers, conquering the West and

and dangerous Indian territory, uh, and and drilling for oil, and who knew if if cars would come in, they put up gas stations, were gonna bet on cars being the m next method of tr transportation. You had all of these risk takers and I mean you do see that, but the only place you see it now is in Silicon Valley, it seems to me, that that general industry. I asked one of my my friends out there, uh why is it that the only innovation, the only new stuff and power and

And, you know, excitement is coming out of Silicon Valley. And he said it's because politicians didn't quite understand it, so they didn't know how to regulate it. Uh and you know, that's the country we're heading for, just stagnant, getting poorer and poorer, and Republicans will take turns managing the decline. So yes, Trump needs to get back to Whoa, shutting down immigration and mass deportations finishing the wall. We built any of it.

No more stupid pointless wars. We don't want to be the world's policeman. I don't know how many times Americans have to vote on that. Um and and to the extent that it's possible with the robots coming in, bringing manufacturing home.

I totally agree. And you know, this is kind of the thing with Trump is You know, he kind of has leeway to conduct, you know, operations, you know, spend political capital that would be sort of unpopular with the base if he delivers, you know, bigly to use his word, on immigration.'Cause I mean, to your point Everyone can kind of sense it. I I've noticed that maybe people can't quite articulate it, and this is like leftists will kind of jump on this.

Um and they'll be like, well, you know, he's advocating for mass deportations, but I asked my s you know my neighbor and they just complained about only illegal immigration or whatever. And it's like because everyday people can't quite ar articulate specifically what's going on, but they are sensing what you're sensing, which is

sort of that frontier culture, right? That pioneering culture, you know, the culture that put a flag on the moon. Everyone's kind of looking around and they're like, that's gone, that died. That died with my grandfather. My you know, like when your grandfather passes away, you go, Wow, he was a certain kind of man, and then his descendants are a little bit different. They're a little bit softer, a little bit gayer to use, you know To use that.

language and everyone can kind of just sense it. And again, I mean President Trump, you know, this is good the kind of thing is if he just really and you know we're seeing progress, but I think people correctly understand how dire the situation is. It's like People are impatient. This is why I I'm not Under miljontals år har djur utvecklat sofistikerade parningsritualer. Fåglar dansar, vargar elar och oscar går in på Amazon.

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not you know I'm I'm hesitant. I mean I'm a defender of the president, but I'm hesitant to just declare, you know, pop the champagne over immigration because it's like no, people are desperate. I mean, people are very impatient and they have the right to be impatient because again, when I go to Costco You know, it feels like I'm on some sort of like UN humanitarian mission. I mean, it's unbelievable. Ha ha ha. Yes. Yes. And I d I I've always wondered why I I I mean, I think a lot of um

Um my ability to see what was happening with immigration as well as Stephen Miller and and others is having lived in Los Angeles. Uh it and I I never understood why, you know, I'd go to a nice state. like, um, well, this was back in two thousand four before the Somalis are really, really moved in in force. Um, but back to Wisconsin. I I was doing speeches for for Mitt Romney. I guess that would have been in two thousand

Um and what was striking about Wisconsin back then, I'm sure, you know, uh at least a dozen other states, was it was like you were living in 1950s America. They still had blockbusters. And okay, you guys don't understand how immigration, mass third world immigration, is going to change your world.

But do do you have any friends in in Minnesota where you can talk to them about the Somali surge? Do you have any friends in Los Angeles or Texas? It be it completely changes the culture. And yes, of course we can assimilate We're we're very good at at assimilating, but not when they're coming in in these j multi-million tranches of people.

Um they create their own little ghettos within the country and they change us instead of us changing them. I think what you say about the descendants of of the pioneers is that You know, even people who would like to go out and create and work and would be appalled that they or any of their their descendants or relatives ever took a handout from the government.

You start to get kind of discouraged and think, Man, am I the only person not scamming the government? And by the way, I don't think you are. So keep being keep being honorable, freedom loving Americans. But um yeah, after after just every time the Democrats get in. They're bringing in millions of third worlders. And I don't know, so far Trump has technically deported only about 800,000.

Well, okay, it's gonna take a hundred years just to get back to the status quo ante from the end of the Biden administration. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I mean that was the estimate from the vice president. Uh I remember when he was stumping, he was saying thirty million illegal immigrants. That's again that's the that's the number that was given to him with you know the quantified um you can track down that number is correct. The actual number is probably much higher because you know.

have no documentation. We don't know who these people are. Probably twenty three million thirty million more. And then in addition to that, I mean this entire I don't know how you feel about this, this entire wave of immigration post heart seller, we need to take a second look at all these people. I mean there's some people that came in and and they're good.

They've assimilated, they've bought into the you know pr you know the the the American nation, you know, they're like I I'm done. I'm I'm I'm my ties, my look on. But a lot of these people I see it. I mean, I lived in New York City for years. I went to school in New York City. I remembered, you know, to get really granular here, I remembered some of my classmates and they would be like second, third generation immigrants from Ecuador.

Like Ecuador and you know, their grandparents came here, but in their Instagram bio they would still have the Ecuadorian flag. And I'm like That's a little just a little indicator that says, Hey, I still view myself as other. I still view myself as outside that core American population. And that's why I'm like, you know, everyone we I think we've talked about before. Everyone in the GOP can chest beat over illegal Americans. Heck most a lot of Democrats

deporting illegal immigrants. But the legal immigration is really what's hurting people. Like I I lived in Fort Wayne, Indiana for a little bit. It's the like there's Burmese people, people that came from Burma, right? They came from Myanmar. And they've changed a lot of these neighborhoods. They have all their paperwork, they're good, they're not here illegally. They they they had official paperwork signed. That's why the term paperwork American.

And it's because these people othered themselves. Like this isn't us like picking on them. This isn't like a racial. This is to say, again, legal immigration is actually harming people a lot more because again, these people can get jobs and displace you from your jobs. These people can, you know, buy homes. These people can participate in the American economy without actually buying into the American nation.

Yes, well technically Adios America was mostly about legal immigration. I can't stand this idea that oh we love legal immigrants. Um what people are doing, I mean Uh uh Americans are nice people and they don't want to be insulting to their neighbors who are are legal immigrants. Okay, fine, you're all really nice people, but still When you can't say something out loud, you uh become unable to think it. And you really need to think about this. Since um since the 1965 Immigration Act, 90%

of our legal immigrants have been from the third world. As you point out, there is no no sense of allegiance to this country. There's a beautiful quote at the beginning of my book from Justice Brandeis, at I think it was called Americanization Day. Um yeah, that would be a hate crime today. But um I can't remember the exact quote, but he said becoming an American is more than adopting um the customs, the wardrobe, the habits of Americans. It means loving with all your heart.

country. You are allied with this country. And we absolutely are not getting that. I mean, I've talked to is you probably have people whose whose parents or grandparents were immigrants. Um uh you know, from Germany, from England. And uh one, for example, from um the side of his family from England, um, he asked one time Um, you know, something about, you know, what wasn't granddad a lord and

uh it his parents said no we don't talk about about that here. We don't have lords. We don't have that system. We're living in a d we don't even talk about it anymore. Um and I've heard many similar stories from, you know, immigrants from from Italy and and Ireland and and s and and Germany and so on.

Well we don't have that anymore. I mean leftist groups actually say it's a hate crime to use to talk about assimilating uh immigrants. We should be assimilating to them. Well their cultures are disaster zone. Um they really are trying to destroy this country by what w what makes a country a country? It was just a landmass um for, oh who knows, 5,000 words, and yet the Indians hadn't done much with it. Literally coming here to create what is this.

magnificent country. So how do you ruin it? You change you change who the people are, overwhelm them. You can take a beautiful, expensive bottle of French wine. And uh, you know, if you pour the wine out and fill it with vinegar, um, doesn't matter what the label says. What you got is a bottle of vinegar. And that's what we're doing and people have to get over this idea. It's it's it's weird, particularly after Um all of the anger, justified anger with college students and professors.

Cheering on October 7th, the October 7th Israel attack, those are all legal immigrants. Yeah. Yeah. That's still you still don't get it. Yeah. A lot of those people were like not just born here, their parents were born here. I mean it's like the level of And then I mean you touched on it. Also what's crazy Nu lanseras Kia Eve 2. En kompakt elsuv med rekvåblären.

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Is the entire immigration system's like completely warped. It's it's it disincentivizes good people from coming here and incentivizes bad people to come here. I mean I think Trump had an old tweet uh

It was Donald Trump an old tweet where he was kind of lumbasting the fact that, you know, his, you know, I think it was Melania, you know, coming from Europe was really getting roughed up by immigration authorities. You know, her visa process was taking forever. It was like borderline impossible for a Europe, and I know this anecdotally. my friends from Britain or Germany or people that would pretty much seamlessly emigrate

you know, seamlessly assimilate into the country. Um, they have to jump through so many hoops to get to this country. I mean, it's unbelievable. Takes years, et cetera, et cetera. But then you'll meet someone that moved here from El Salvador or Guatemala and it's like, I don't know, yeah, I kinda just showed up and they gave me a piece of paperwork. like gave me a uh you know a bit of uh welfare backing and now I can live in Queens. And you're like, what?

No, I've n people should notice this. Talk to anyone, any legal immigrants, and uh it's like um Dante's inner circle of hell that they went through. Often you will find, I've noticed in elections that um, hmm, that's interesting. Everyone thought, you know, Hispanics, they're like they're a a monolithic group the way Frankly, black voters are Oh no no no no no not only do no Hispanic calls himself Hispanic, they call themselves as you say, Ecuadorian, Mexican, Puerto Rican.

They're very proud of their specific and the idea that I don't know, a Dominican in New York has any sympathy for an illegal alien Mexican is j it's it's a fiction. It's yeah it was a fiction created by the Democratic Party and apparently believed by every Republican political consultant. Uh but I will notice that in areas with a lot of that's sort of a side note, with a lot of legal immigrants, Hispanic or not.

Um, they're totally down with Trump's immigration program, more than you and I are, because of what number one, what they went through to become. to become legal immigrants. Number two, they left those countries for a reason. They were trying to get away from those bums and come to a successful country. If you bring all those bums in, why did they bother moving?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I guess to kind of get to the kind of the the the the kind of thing we talked about at the top of the show, I mean this is what freaks me out is seeing the direction the GOP is going for two reasons is The right wing side, you know, the more you know I hate the right. You know there's barely anyone in this country. I I consider it the moderate.

Middle. Yeah, I know exactly. I'm like, uh, you know, it's what these people are reading Spangler every day. No, no, they're not. They're not far But you know, these people that I guess you say are more hardline on some of these issues.

Um some of the ideas that they're proposing now, I'm like, is this gonna be my two options? Where one option in in in the future for the GOP is like the Vivek Ramaswamy where he just came out and he said like he basically reheated the Ronald Reagan line, but like made it even worse where he was He he said, you know, an Italian you know, you can't just move to Italy and become an Italian, you can't move to France but become French. You can move to American and become American.

Coming from a guy named Vivek Ramoswamy who the only thing really truly American about him is his accent and then everything about he's like he's Hindu, you know, his kids have non, you know, American names. Like everything about him is oh, this guy failed to assimilate. Um I just find it could I just say I'm just very resentful over people who are not descended from settlers informing us that I'm as American as you are. Well, settle down Skippy. Yeah. Yeah, welcome and welcome.

I'm glad to have you, but knock this off about how anybody can become an American. Well, that's that's been the pretend policy since since 1965. And like I say, if you let them in in tiny, tiny little groups. Um yes, yes, we can turn them into Americans, but not when you have entire ghettos of I you probably know. Actually, a lot of the Arab immigrants in in Michigan came pre-1970. Interestingly enough, those were the highly educated.

Yeah. Uh Middle Eastern immigrants we got. We used to get, you know, doctors and scientists, and it's the post nineteen seventy immigrants that we think of as the um potentially terroristic cab drivers. No, they used to be, you know, slick, well dressed, well spoken. That's a lot of the Arab community in in Michigan. By you know, since 1970, some of the dregs have come in.

There are street signs in Arabic and Detroit, as we call Detroit. Come on. You aren't becoming an American. You're just coming here to get to get the free money from our treasury. Yeah, literally yeah, they're that's exactly what it is. The raiding the treasury. And yeah, so that's like the one Republican I can pick from is the actually American means nothing. It's just like you I was debating Myra Flores on the show, and like her entire conceptualization of what an American is is like

They love freedom and liberty. I'm like, that's like n and they're Christian. I'm like, or they're no, she said religious. The religious they love God. They love freedom. They love liberty. I'm like, that's like ninety percent of the world. So you're basically just dividing the world between Americans and future Americans.

Like, thank you. I can just vote for the Democrats if I want that. Yeah, thank you very much. So that's gonna be my one option. And then the other option I have now, this new emerging, you know, beast right. We're the beast right, you know, like these guys are clowns. They're like, Hey, in order to effectively get back at Israel, we need to ally with the third world to again

Of cut off our relationship with Israel. And instead of again, sort of presenting the case why and pushing voters in that direction. Their political aim, they're like, let's ally with the third world, let's ally with the left, because they're saying the same thing on one point, which the conclusion for that's going to be obvious. They're just going to like not go to bat on migration.

Allied on one issue. Do what you really think all these, you know, uh you know Mahmoud Khalil is going to turn around and be like, Yeah, we really need a tight border. That's what we really need. Those are gonna be my two options in the future. As I see it, I'm just not really seeing anyone um It's that's serious. Like no one that's serious. And I'm not saying Trump, but Trump is like a once in a lifetime kind of thing. Everyone's trying to be the next Trump, and it's like

No, what we need next is someone that's serious, that's cutthroat, that like knows what to do, and that's focused. And right now, everyone's lost focus, everyone just wants to be entertained. Or or placing it.

A few things about that. For one thing, I'm so gr glad I am not in these corners of the internet. Yeah. That you describe. I have not come across that at all. Um although I think it's rather stupid. There was n some Republicans are whistling past the graveyard to say, oh, you can't believe what you re there's the Twitter world and the real world. I hear somebody, a Republican.

saying that on uh CNN the other day that it you know, the online world versus the offline world. And um well there's two ways of interpreting that is um one is the online world is everyone under sixty Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Um, but it's also true that that you know, most most people have jobs, um, families, children, little league games. They're not constantly posting idiotic memes. So I wouldn't be too afraid of

um, you know, snotty little teenage boys what they post online. Maybe I'm the one whistling past the graveyard here. But I th I think I think I'm sorry to say this, but to quote Ronald Reagan. Um you can always trust the American people, by which I mean the American people. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, it's it's the uh the what as someone made this point, it's like be the American that the Japanese think you are. Every time you see a depiction of like Americans in Demi Dek presenterar.

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I don't know. I it's just I think, you know, what whatever problems there are with the Trump era, I agree, but I'm just looking at the post Trump The one thing I I'm Sometimes I'm optimistic, sometimes I'm pessimistic, but on the the optimistic side is I mean one thing that Trump thanks to my book Adios America has changed completely and forever is

The public is now woke on the issue, as liberals would say, on the issue of immigration. To see uh I I mean I was banned from Fox News for adiosomera. Now they're basically reading from it. Elon Musk, every tweet could be it's often a line or a joke directly from Adios America.

Um, don't know if the book could have done it by itself, but once Trump read it and ran on on the issue, I don't think you can put that genie back in the bottle. I agree. So whatever whomever the next Republican candidate is and no no one's going to be then Trump. Don't try to be Trump. You should never try to be somebody else, whether you're

you know, a political figure, an author. Imitation never works, but particularly in the case of someone as idiosyncratic as Donald Trump, um, for good and bad, um, the next Republican, great Republican is not going to be. um anything like Trump, as long as they're good on immigration. Yeah. I would say also, you know, really means it when he says no more pointless wall w wars. That would be fantastic. Uh

And yeah, I I don't know. I think this war is doing a lot, a lot, a lot of damage to the Republican Party. So I'm I am a little worried about the next couple election cycles. I agree and this is where I break, you know, from a lot of, you know, more vocal opponents of the Trump.

Donald Trump is, I mean, I I agree. I I'm still skeptical that this I mean, I I've been against the war from day one. But in addition to that, even if I were to accept that, okay, the war's happening, let's get the best outcome possible, which I did. I'm looking at him like Guys, this is this is going to leave us in a worse spot than we were before for a variety of reasons. I mean, one, you can point to the foreign policy, um, but also, yeah, again, the

The Trump base. Now he has a lot of ground to make up on domestic issues if he even wants to sort of win a lot of those more disaffected voters back over. And I know everyone's saying, well, the base is still intact. You know, some polling indicates that. Again, look at the w the Republican and Democrat Party are both losing registered voters, like the independent block of the country.

You're gonna have to win those people over, and uh immigration is the issue. This is why I make this point: immigration is the issue, whether your pet issue is foreign policy, whether it's abortion, whether it's uh gay marriage, whether it's you know, whatever, it's all derivative of immigration because if we don't have the demographic core to elect right-wing politicians, then the rest of that doesn't matter. Quite frankly.

Every issue gets easier to solve if you fix immigration. Every issue we lose on if we don't fix immigration. You know, as for the these polls on the MAGA base. Um maybe this is fanciful, but I I I I do wonder um I think the question should not be are you MAGA? But Don't worry. New MAGA in twenty sixteen. Because if you're really angry um and feel like you've been betrayed by by Trump by this with this pointless warrant kind of dropping the ball on the big issue immigration.

Um, are you still calling yourself MAGA? So it's almost like self-defining those people. Yeah. who are part of the cult and will support Trump. if he governs like Kamala Harris would have. Yes, whatever he does, it's three D chess. Somehow we'll pull it off and if if if that's your mentality, you're gonna keep calling yourself MAGA. If you're thinking, wow, this guy betrayed me, you're probably not calling yourself MAGA anymore.

Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I mean'cause yeah, there's some polling like within the Republican Party, there's still like eight you know, support for the war in the eighties, but I'm like, that's mostly people over sixty-five. And if Orbon's anything to go with, when you lose young right wingers, the actual projection of Your future, your political future for your movement is quite grim. I mean or

If you speak to young Hungarian right wingers, they weren't too thrilled with them. And and I liked Orban. I liked a lot of his policies, but there's truth to that. Like again, you can only define yourself in what you're against for so long. Eventually you gotta like the future. And that's what like the conservative movement I think is just running out. That's a whole separate conversation, but I think the conservative movement in general is running out of steam.

Larbon was good for his time. I I was not really sorry to see him go and couldn't figure out why Trump and Vance were so invested in this guy. I mean the the the young liberal running against him was mostly running against him on the issue of corruption. You stay in that's why the quote Anton and Scalia, this is why Lord Acton did not say power tends to purify. Yeah.

Stay in office long enough and I gather there was a lot of corruption around Orban. But but the, you know, alleged lefty is rock solid on immigration. The one who won. So I don't know, I might have voted for him too.

It was the same thing in Poland where like the you know the Polish right wing party lost power and everyone's like, It's over. Poland's like bend the knee to the, you know, global liberal elite. And then the immigration policy didn't change at all. So I'm like I think what's happening now is kind of a sort of re reshifting, a reorientation of the entire place. Democrats would learn. Yeah. Yeah, uh absolutely.

Well, Anne, thank you so much for coming on. We covered a lot of topics there and uh with the conversation we were going into could take up, you know, hours. But thank you so much for coming on. Where can people find you for more? Um thanks for reminding me. I always forget to mention andculter dot substack dot com. Great column going up today. I have a video with an very interesting smart person every week.

Um they're longer form interviews and I actually read their books and what they have to write. So I think they're pretty great interviews and a few other things I send out on Substack. love it. Well all Patriots will be reading. Thank you very much Ann. We'll catch you next time. Thanks, Tate. All right. That was the great Anne culture. Always a pleasure to have.

And uh yeah, I mean look, if you if you're talking, I know there's a lot of talk right now on the the you know, the the Trump right, the Trump defenders, which I fall squarely into, but again, people like Ann, they've been around the block. They have the credibility when they're sounding the alarm on something within MAGA.

You gotta listen. You you really do. I mean, I'm sorry, you know, just don't shoot the messenger. It's just the reality of the situation. So with that, we're gonna wind this show down. Um we'll be back tonight for Timcast IRL at eight PM. Uh Nick Sorter coming on as well. It's gonna be a great show. Follow me on X and Instagram at RealTate Brown. Come hang out, 8 p.m. Timcast IRL. And I'll see you guys next time. Thank you very much for watching.

Nej, det har blivit en dubbelbokning så det är en plats på flyjten att gå till en annan passagerare. Vi er hemskt ledsna. Men vi er undre om du skulle kunne tenke deg en oppgradering til førstaklass? Spela ansvarsfullt. Mode? Det var grannemästiga. Mat fullness på väg. Ingo, det är en bensinstation Sväng in, tanka alltid till ett hårt pris. Tre telefoner med abonnemang, två charmar och två diskmaskiner. Och något mer? Vadå mer?

Något mer kan köpa. Tror du har allt? Inte ens än. Jag är faktiskt rätt säker. Ja, jag fattar. Jag ska kila vidare. Oh, vet! Café McQueen. Elgiganten Fetag: Hjälp än du vill ha inte.