NXIVM Part 2: Serve, Set, Sentence

All right, what should we call this one? What's a volleyball move that... Set. Set your prison sentence for 260 years. Serve, set, serve by sentence for... Serve, set, sentence. Yes, serve, set, sentence. There you go. 260 years. You piece of shit. Music.

I guess we could just get again into it again because yeah there's like no you know what we always say let's get into it and then there's something that comes up so then we end up being like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, about someone else anyway. Okay, so part two of Nixxiom. Burn it down, Sarah. Burn it down. Burn it down, Sarah. So to recap, Keith Raniere is like a huge dweeb who has conned a lot of lovely women into giving him money and power.

And there has been a group now that has been branding women in this weird like sadomasochistic like slave, like sex slave. Call me master. Yeah. And the last we left, Sarah Edmondson, who is really cute and like an actress and was very high up at Nixxiom, had gotten a brand and was just empowered by her friend Mark Vicente and Bonnie P.S. to be like, that's bullshit. And she was like, you're right. So she took all these documents and she's like, I'm going to fucking burn it down.

So then, oh, also trigger warning. Trigger warning. There is mentions of suicide and then also sexual assault. So we didn't get to the very yuck stuff last time. Although a lot of it was yuck. Oh, no, yuck. It's yuckier. It's yuckier. Okay. It's yuckier. That was kind of like a business overview. This is a nitty gritty kind of like shit. This is nitty gritty, like buckle up your bootstraps. So I will say, so I watched The Vow when it, like, first came out.

And The Vow kind of leads up to it's got, it's basically, like, Sarah, Mark, and Bonnie all leaving. And then, like, just finding, like, and just, like, trying to make sense of everything. Uh-huh. So a lot of The Vow relates back to the DOS stuff. But when I started looking into it, like, yes, DOS is fucking awful.

And, like, the organization is awful. but there's shit that happens that i'm like how has why like there's not been much information on it like it's verified because it was like it's all in the like out in the trial but like there's like i don't know like i don't understand why people don't talk about it more but i think it's part of why keith renier has such a long sentence so crazy sarah leaves nexium and she takes with her a ton of documents, and takes them to the FBI.

Oh, shit. She said, fuck my local police station. Oh, yeah. We're going to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Yeah, and then they do nothing. What? They were like, I don't know what to do with this, so... When there's, like, recordings, there's documentation. Mm-hmm. So Sarah then turns to a reporter for the New York Times. That'll get somebody's attention. Okay, if the FBI is going to do nothing, then we have to go public. So she, Mark, and Bonnie, along with Catherine Oxenberg.

Catherine Oxenberg had introduced her daughter, India, into the organization to do classes. in India that got fully sucked into DOS. So Catherine wants her daughter back. Yeah. And she's a little bit apprehensive about the FBI because she's like, that means that I'm putting my daughter, like, she'll be liable for criminal charges. So she's like, we're going to go, like, we'll do the New York Times piece, right?

And at first they're like, we'll just be anonymous. And the reporter was like, that's great, but that doesn't make for a very compelling story.

So they all decide side to put their name to it oh good and so scary which is like very scary there's a lot it's like a really big deal right so they he finishes the article but then it gets marked as evergreen which means what is that evergreen means it can go on like it can go at any time like it's a strong enough evergreen is good like as a writer you kind of you want evergreen pieces because it means it can be published anytime okay it like has that longevity to it okay but that means

that it it might not then no one knows when it's going to get published so that massive hurricane in puerto rico happens oh yeah the las vegas shooting happens oh yeah and so the story keeps getting pushed because there's like these huge huge stories that are coming out which is disappointing Disappointing, but at the same time, it's like there was not really much they can do.

And honestly, I mean, it is disappointing, but if we're being 100% honest, I also think that if they were to put it out at the same time as these other things, it would have just kind of fell to the wayside anyway. Yeah. Like it wouldn't have got the attention it deserves. Yes. So then, Harvey Weinstein is accused of raping three women in New York and the Me Too movement takes off. So the New York Times runs the story on the front page with a picture of Sarah Edmondson and her brand.

And it's so funny because they're like, she's like laughing and she's like, oh, my God. She's like, my face and my vagina are on the front page of the New York Times. Oh, my God. And her vagina? Well, because it's just like it's on the branding. There's the picture of the brand. But she was like, oh, my God.

So it leads to a media storm and the attention forces the fbi to open a criminal investigation right keith flees which makes me mad but okay i know it's like it shouldn't shouldn't take it all that but okay but so it leads to this media storm the fbi takes an attention keith flees to a villa in puerto vallarta with lauren salzman allison mack and nikki klein sounds very pddy but okay I know.

So on March 25th, 2018, the villa was raided by federales. They broke down the door while Lauren Salsman was making a smoothie. And then she runs to go protect Keith. And then she's like, holy shit, they have guns. So she like curls up into a ball. Yeah. Oh, my God. They find Keith hiding in a closet like a fucking coward. That makes me happy. I know. But it was this moment, though, that Lauren Salsman said that she's like running.

She was like, I was about to put my body over him and then she's like i had this moment of realization that like he would never he would never do the same first night she's like i would have given my life for him and he would not have given his life for anybody for a second no everybody's disposable in his path like literally yeah so keith is charged with racketeering forced labor conspiracy wire fraud and sex trafficking King, which is very similar, minus the murder,

to Keith Ham of the Hare Krishnas, where they kind of treated it like a criminal organization, like a mob. Like a mob, yeah. Yeah. So immediately, he tries to pin the creation of DOS on Allison Mack, but the FBI had enough evidence, including on audio recordings of him telling her exactly how he wanted the branding to go down and asking what the design looked like. Yeah. They also arrested Lauren Salzman, Allison Mack, Nancy Salzman, and Claire Bronfman. Good. On racketeering charges. Yeah.

Nancy maintains that she thought that Doss was a lie. She was like, there's no way that this is real. Then she saw evidence of Keith's sexually explicit text to a 15-year-old. Ugh. And she knew exactly how bad it was. Yeah. And so she was the first to plead guilty and was like. She was like, I was a part of this. She's like, I have nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So she convinced Lauren to plead guilty, and she didn't have to serve time, and I think it was because she ended up testifying, providing so much critical information to prosecution. Yeah.

Which is yuck because I think she's done a lot of yucky stuff, but she was also victimized young. She was groomed. She was groomed. And taught when she was young that this is the way. Yeah. Like, this is, you know. So Keith's trial starts May 7th, 2019, and his defense tries to argue that Keith was a man who had a polyamorous lifestyle and he might not like it, but it's not illegal.

There are several things that he did that were illegal. I think I could be wrong, but I did read a quote somewhere where they were like, it might be they labeled it disgusting, but not a crime was like what they were going for. They were like, this is disgusting, but not anything to make it to where it's like not a crime. Yeah. And so they also claim that DOS was a sisterhood that was created to better themselves.

And it's sexist to victimize women who chose to brand themselves when they would glorify men who would have done the same thing. Absolutely not. They did not choose to brand themselves. Let's be very clear. They were blackmailed. Yeah. Had collateral. They literally used the words collateral. They literally said collateral. They also kept being like, we helped 17,000 people. That has to count for something. No, it means nothing. No, it means nothing. And who says that you helped them?

It means you also brainwashed 17,000 people. Who says that you helped anybody? They just don't know. Right. So Lauren testified that during her time at NXIVM, she was required to send him three vag pics a week. Ew. I know. Can you imagine? Also, who wants to just look at that? No, not me. I don't think. Maybe he wasn't looking at it. Maybe he just wanted it to have the power of saying, this is due. Yeah. He also restricted her

diet. And it was her that helped him craft the rule back book for Doss. That is so disgusting. Even though he was like, I had nothing to do with it. So Daniela, the girl who got locked up for two years. The girl who was imprisoned for two years, testified about her relationship with Keith, her imprisonment, and then Keith's subsequent relationship with both her sisters. Again, one was 15 at the time. At the time.

Remember he was like oh no we have to wait till you're 18 yeah but meanwhile and daniella does say like on the stand she was like i was kind of pissed off at keith because she's like why'd you make me wait but you didn't make my sister yeah she's like which is fucked up to think about but she's like i was my brain wasn't fully functioning i didn't know any better right and it was.

Daniella's sister who was the beginning of dos because the text messages that came out he was starts calling her she starts calling him master he starts calling her slave and then he's she's like he's like i want you to get more more sheep for me and she's like what are you going to do brand us and he's like wouldn't you want to burn for me and it was the beginnings of dos my god that's where it was born that's where it was born so So...

Women after women come up and testify, and Keith, lawyers would be like, no, no, no, this was consensual. Oh, my God. They weren't forced to be here. Oh, my God. But again, informed consent. It's like, yeah, there was no informed consent, and he'd been sexually grooming these kids since they were literally teens. Right. Another witness? Rick Ross. Stop it. Rick Allen Ross. Oh. Every single time. Every time I say Rick. Yeah. And it's always Rick Allen Ross. Rick Allen Ross. Rick Allen Ross.

Our favorite non-rapper. I know. Our favorite non-rapper cult expert. Yeah. And I guess Keith had been trying to sue him for 15 years for being like, yo, this is the cults. Stop it. Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He was always trying to sue him. In my notes it says, Keith was like always trying to sue for obvious reasons.

We need a rick allen ross lounge rick ross mashup right oh my god someone made it happen.

All right so jury deliberation was expected to be at least a day or two but the verdict was reached in four hours yes it was the evidence is screaming like literally they brought all of the evidence to the table there's not much to like this happened okay it's wrong out there they were like some of the like some of the press was like why do we need to know about like he was like Like asking, he was comparing, I guess, Daniella's younger sister had slept with someone else and he was not

okay with it. And he was asking about his penis size. And he was like, in the test, he was like, is it bigger? And she's like, I don't know. And he's like, is it longer? And he's like, well, I know that his is this amount of inches. I know this, mine is this amount of inches. And she's like, why do you even know that? How do you even know? And then the press is like, why do we have to hear about this in court?

What does this have to do with anything? No thanks. But it just reiterates how controlling and how manipulative and how much he groomed. Honestly, big scale, those details don't like, you know, whatever. But it gives you so much more insight to who this person is, like who he is. So he's found guilty for all the things. Yes, the fuck he is. There were over 100 victim impact statements read, including Daniela and then

her younger sister. Her younger sister, I think, was very scared to testify, but she did give a victim impact statement. Good. And Keith's statement was, sorry, you guys feel that way, but I'm innocent. I can't. The sorry you feel that way moment, I can't. It's such like a bullshit statement.

Thing like yeah it was like sorry if people feel like they've been hurt by me but i'm innocent of all these charges no no you're fucking not no no you're disgusting he was sentenced to 120 years in prison yes oh my god i know it's so satisfying when bad guys actually like have to pay yeah i know allison mack pleaded guilty to one count of racketeering conspiracy and one count of sex trafficking and served three years in prison she was released july of last year and is laying real low.

I bet you she is. You better keep laying low. Claire Bronfman pled guilty, but she was like still his number one fan. So she actually got 81 months in jail, which is longer than the sentence the prosecution recommended. The judge was like, you're not sorry. You get more time. Uh-uh. Yeah. No, you clearly don't see the error. Last month, I said that we had that cultured thing, the update. So she was released to a halfway house like last month or maybe the month before. Oh, wow.

Nancy got three and a half years and was released to a halfway house in April of this year. Keith still has a small group of supporters, including Nikki Klein, the girl from Battlestar Galactica. Which, honestly, she was my, I'm so pissed. She was like my favorite character on Battlestar Galactica. Really? She's letting you down. She let me down so hard. But also like, yeah, no, I don't know.

She's, I think that she, she seems crazy in the documentary, but I think that she was heavily, Like, super heavily manipulated. So, yeah, we haven't really talked about her, but she's fucked. She claims to have helped create DOS. She also got married. Her and Allison Mack got married in 2018, I think, so that Nikki could get her green card and then divorced in 2020. Oh, wow. But she also conspired with Keith in jail to serve an affidavit to the prosecution, being like, you were ethical, right?

Like, you need to make sure that you were ethical. I don't know. She's fucking ridiculous. Bullshit. Sarah Edmondson and her husband, Nippy Ames, host a podcast called A Little Bit Cult-y. And if you like our podcast, you probably would also like their podcast. They do, like, we only cover, like, wellness and, like, yoga kind of, like, cult-y things. But they cover, like, all of the cults and all the things. They just had an episode come out about, like, a hedge fund cult.

What a unique perspective that they have. It was funny, too, in this last episode because I was like, I should probably listen to it because I do like them. Yeah. And it's like, it's Samesies. So, but they were talking about this leader, the leader of this, like, hedge fund group. And they were like, he is giving, like, so much. So, like, their insight is very, like. Yeah. Their insight is great. Yeah, it's great. It's such a unique perspective that they have.

Like they can when they do the research and when they tell the stories like they can compare it to their own experiences. And like, that's wild. Yeah. Bonnie P.S. Reprised her role as Brew Lars in Obi-Wan Kenobi on Disney Plus. Despite like retiring from acting, she was just like, yeah, I guess you can't say no to Star Wars. No. But I was watching it. So I obviously watch all the Star Wars shows. And when she like showed up, I was like, oh, my God.

I was like oh my god tommy this lady she got sucked into a cult and then she got out because she was like kind of the catalyst for all of this happening because if she hadn't gone out then mark wouldn't have been there so i had like such a hard fangirl moment when i saw her and i was like fuck you out bonnie like and she has the brand no bonnie does not she did not she got she She did not? No, she left before that. Sarah, the podcast host, she's the one. She had it removed, though.

Oh, she did? She did. Good. So this episode covers most of what you'll find about the organization, like the main like sex cult stuff. But I did want to point out some like really fucked up things that aren't focused on either in the documentary or just like in anything you read about. Because I think that's the first thing you think about is this whole DOS business when you hear of NXIVM.

But so remember way back in episode one when Keith Raniere was dating a 15-year-old named Gina when he was 24.

Well she broke up with him and then she in the meantime had introduced him to a friend also named gina but she wasn't 15 uh-huh she was 14 oh god so he obviously manipulates her into a sexual relationship she drops out of school goes to work for keith at cbi at consumer byline incorporated which is his first company she was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound in In October of 2002, allegedly, Keith was overheard telling her ways in which a person could commit

suicide and encouraged her to do so after he learned that she had another boyfriend. Oh my god. There is also some other stuff that I found, but it wasn't corroborated. That is the saddest fucking thing. Yeah. There was also the death of a woman who began acting erratic at an intensive in Alaska.

Alaska she claimed to be pregnant with Keith's child which Claire Bronfman did corroborate but then was barred from returning to the intensive they were just like sorry you got to go don't come back she commits suicide and at the trial it was testified that Keith paid $24,000 for her email password to do what what I don't fucking know to probably there was some weird hacker shit that was going on that I don't know about he also claimed that she faked her death

because she was involved in a drug smuggling ring which was not true no like what that's such a far reach yeah that is so crazy that it's like so cold he's like no we just need to wipe her wipe wipe her clean yeah like literally this is the worst okay, Those two were very, very bad. Those were bad. Those were bad. This is like another level of maybe same level, but like different. Pam Kaffritz, who had been with Keith since the beginning and was one of his much longer partners.

Like people thought they were married because they had this like very long term relationship. She was his number one, like for a very long time.

She was diagnosed with renal cancer and he just let her waste away without like helping her to get medical medical attention he's like oh you have cancer nancy salzman recalls in the vow and this is like i don't know this is like i thought he was disgusting before and then this made me just like like sea red yeah so in the vow she recalls one morning keith comes over for breakfast because he would come over every morning and she would make him breakfast.

And he's like, oh, hey, can I ask you for a favor? Can you help me to change Pam's sheets? Because she had an accident last night. Because again, she's got cancer. She's sick. And Nancy's like, oh my God, she used to be a nurse. She's like, okay, yeah, let me go do that. And he was like, no, no, no, no, she'll be okay. Just make breakfast first. And she's like, okay, it must not be that bad. So then she makes breakfast and she's like, okay, I'm going to go help Pam.

And he's like, no, no, no, sit and chat out with me she'll be fine she'll be fine and she's like okay and so after keith is done she goes up and pam had defecated herself. And so she's cleaning it up. And then she was like, that man let her sit for hours. For hours. While he had a cozy breakfast. Yeah. You could have had help sooner. And he was just like, no, feeding me and me being chill is more important. Is more important. Takes priority.

And that was like a few years before everything went down. And she said that like after that, she was like something switched in her mind where she was like, she's like, I... She's like, I couldn't see him for what he was yet, but that moment, like, our relationship was not the same because I couldn't, I didn't trust. He couldn't unsee what she did. Yeah, she couldn't, like, un, yeah. You know, like, that's going to stick with.

And you know what's fucking awful? So what's awful about The Vow is Nancy Salzman has, in season two, talks a lot. And she is fucked up. Like, she, and the stuff that she does is fucked up.

Like she supported this she like she definitely committed crimes but then i i don't think that she knew exactly how bad it was and when she realized and i think that she thought she was giving tough love i think that she thought that she was going through the curriculum because there's even moments where they'll show video of her being like sexual a sexual consent is this and she was like oh we were doing a thought exercise she's like obviously i see it and i'm Now I see,

knowing what I know, that that was fucked up. But I remember in the moment him being like, this is a thought exercise. Let's deconstruct all these different little things so that when you start deconstructing ethics and values, then you can manipulate them easier. Right. And when you're just so in it, sometimes it's hard to see. Everything just does get really blurry. Especially when you're surrounded by people who are kind of reaffirming. It's an echo chamber. Right, right, right. Right.

And so, like, I do have more empathy for certain situations, but fuck that. Yeah. It's like, it's hard to watch because you're like, you did so much fucked up shit, but you see the pain where she's like, I don't get it. Was he, did he say all of the, did he do the good so he could do the evil? Did he do the good to get the people so he could do the evil? Like, what would, like, she's like trying to make sense of it and you can see

it. She's trying to wrap her head around it. And you can see it and how awful it is. And it's like, it's heartbreaking. And it's like hard to feel sad for someone who caused so much pain. All this pain. Yeah. And all this bullshit. Yeah. But yeah, it's hard. So after Pam passes, Keith and some higher ups at the company used her credit card to rack up over $300,000. Are you fucking kidding me? In debt. A dead woman. They stole her identity. Yeah. Did he go to jail for that too?

Did he get... I believe that's up in the rocketeering chart. Actually, no. I have a list... I have the full list of the charges. Sexual exploitation of the younger sister as a minor and possession of child sexual abuse material depicting her. Sex trafficking and forced labor of someone named Nicole. That's in quotes because it's a pseudonym. It's an alias. Attempted sex trafficking of someone named Jay, pseudonym. Identity theft against Edgar Bronfman. I don't know who this James person is.

Shauna something or other. And Pam Kaffritz. subjecting daniella to document servitude for labor and services conspiracy to alter records used for an official proceeding sex trafficking conspiracy forced labor conspiracy racketeering conspiracy and wired fraud conspiracy that is so crazy i feel like good yeah so there's still quite a few legal moves happening and ranieri keeps trying to get like crafty and the judge is like no yeah i hope that we just like don't consider anything that he

tries to bring to light which kind of sounds shitty because you should never like be like i feel like some you know there's a lot of people who do go to jail who are innocent or who are painted to be worth no this guy sucks no this guy sucks hard he deserves but he keeps just being like i'm innocent and he keeps like trying to do i don't know there's so there's a civil lawsuit that's still pending keith keeps trying to like be like oh i'm going to sue this

person but he has like his followers still trying to like do shady shit and they bet you they think that they're doing the good work like they yeah you know they think that it's just so crazy how people can be manipulated yeah my now um least favorite character from battlestar galactica nikki klein has recently disassociated herself from Keith but like I think it's to save her own ass oh yeah I'm sure and I think that she might actually end up in jail good.

She was like an angel. She was like, I mean, next to Grace Park, who did get out. It's really funny. If you go on Reddit forums about NXIVM, people have like, oh, people are so hardcore. I love it. Yeah, I do too. They break down people's, like, they believe that, like, Grace Park, Kristen Krug, they probably got out because they were working a lot. Right. And so they couldn't. Like, fully commit to something. They couldn't fully commit. They couldn't move to Albany. What saved them?

Yeah. They couldn't move to Vancouver. Hoover but because even nikki klein tried to have her battle shark she tried to get out of her contract at battlestar galactica to move to albany because they shot in canada uh-huh could you imagine i would like to throw my entire career i mean people did yeah but i am gonna re-watch battlestar galactica even though i know what i know now but you gotta see it through different lenses they know they kept on showing

clips and i was like oh yeah i know you absolutely have not watch Battlestar Galactica. No. But there was this period of time where Tommy and I have posters, like Battlestar Galactica posters. I went on a business trip to Seattle and me and my coworker, we went to the sci-fi museum and they had all of like the spaceship, like all the jets from Battlestar Galactica. And so they had all these like cool posters.

So Tommy and I had a Battlestar galactica poster hanging in our house i love that i love that that's how serious your battlestar galactica love is we yeah we constantly we constantly thought about doing it earlier in the summer when ahsoka no it wasn't ahsoka mandalorian when the million mandalorian came out because bo katan you don't watch anyway i know nothing one of the one of the characters is like a big character from battlestar galactica uh-huh and so yeah i'm gonna nerd you one day.

One day i just need to immerse myself in the nerd yeah i'll get you on some star wars i'll get you on a wes anderson movie i mean i welcome it i just don't prioritize it i'm down i know i don't say no i know i say that i'm like i'm gonna get you into this and then i'm like wait did you see that new cult documentary i'm gonna be like yeah i still have so like all so we were about to watch the dance cult or the

dance dance dancing for the devil you guys if you have not watched dancing Dancing for the Devil. Do it. I'm about to. How many episodes is it? I don't know. I'm only on episode three. Oh, okay. So then one, three. Yeah. Just every time we like, so last night we were like, oh, we're going to do it. And then we were like, God, we're so tired. Actually, we're not because we're going to, whatever we start, we're not going to finish. Oh, yeah. I can't believe you would have done that

yesterday. Yeah, no. But no, it's really good. Maybe tonight. Maybe tonight. It's about all these TikTok dancers who kind of got swept into this, like, I kind of think I think it's like an evangelist like church. So like kind of like a Jim Jones-y kind of vibe, like, which we don't cover. I was telling Tommy because Tommy was like, oh, are you doing it for watching this for research? And I was like, no, we don't cover religious cults. So we won't be covering it. But God, it's so good.

And they have like people like TikTok dancing and like crumping in a way that just like I love. Yeah. I love a good dance moment. I love dance though. I do. So it'll be interesting to watch. Yeah. And I definitely have seen there's like a TikTok dance proposal situation that I was like, I was there for that live. I saw it when it went viral. Uh-huh. And so I was like, oh, my God, I remember that happening.

So it's like weird. Because I mean, it's just like what? Do you remember when people used to just, like, do flash mobs and then propose? Like, you know, stuff like that? Yeah. Yeah. Dude. Proposals. I know. I need to watch. It's good. Yeah. But yeah, that's kind of all we have. This was kind of a shorter one because the first, I should have cut that second, but the way we ended was so perfect. Yeah, it was such a good, the cliffhanger was, this was kind of a wrap up.

And I like the justice being served. It was a good one. Fucking this, like, so wait, I'm going to tell you about my Black Mirror episode that I was like, this is that. So in this Black Mirror episode, it's called the USS Callister. It's this guy and it's kind of like Star Trek where they're on the ship and he's this like stoic, like he's like a stoic captain.

In uh-huh and he's like falling in love with this like officer and telling her like oh in my real life because it's a simulation he's like in my real life like i'm not really respected people don't like me i'm like a nerd but like he is a psychotic tyrant in his real life and he turns into a psychotic tyrant in the simulation and i was like this is fucking keith ranieri vibes he He sees himself through the lens of being this, like, nerdy, like, oh, I'm really smart. I'm like, I'm a poindexter.

And he ends up being. And he's just like, and he's the worst, like he's the worst. The worst human. It's like you want to have sympathy for him. And I think that's maybe why women fall for it. Because they're like, he's smart and he's harmless. And so he's sweet. And like, you know, there's something about a nerd that feels non-threatening. Right, right. Somewhat endearing. Somewhat, depending. I mean, it all depends. Honestly, I feel like that's probably what it was, though.

Because how many nerds are landing that many? Maybe this is a millennial version of a nerd. Maybe. You know, we're thinking like she's all that.

Level or like you know like a ducky from pretty in pink or like i went to straight land before time i was like no i know i know that's a whole other true crime episode honestly that's the saddest shit and it's the saddest shit i don't think yeah we're not ready we just opened up a floodgate yeah i'm feeling really sad not for land of like for all not for yeah because she was the voice of something else too i honestly don't know but she was very young i know what we're talking about hold

on land before time because now we've so ducky for i don't what's her real name in real like her judith barcy she was also the voice of the little girl in all dogs go to heaven. Okay i don't remember i remember the movie i don't remember the voice i will forever remember ducky yeah so she was in a lot of a lot she was a voice actress and she was murdered when she was 11 right no younger no i think so hold on it'll say oh yeah 10 you're close her yuck by her dad um.

No cult activity, so we won't cover it. We won't cover it. There's your coverage, but really sad. No, it's terrible, but okay. Everything is terrible. Typically. Everything sucks and everything is terrible. That's going to be my new podcast. Everything sucks. Everything sucks and everything is terrible. Terrible. I can find it. You find something good, I'll find something terrible. Right, right. We will see through everything and point out the terrible. Exactly.

It's a superpower. All right, what should we call this one?

He should have got more no i'm just kidding 120 120 ain't enough yeah much like his iq oh my god that's why he should have been sentenced yeah he should have been sentenced per iq that he claims and he's like wait wait remember it was only 170 oh 270 or whatever yeah 260 fucking liar piece of shit should be called 120 isn't enough what's a volleyball move that set set your prison sentence for 260 years serve set serve by sentence for to serve that sentence yeah serve set

sentence there you go 260 years you piece of shit with your headband and your knee pads and your knee fuck your knee pads i wish they wouldn't work you do not need knee pads i wish that you would get diarrhea through every orifice oh my god i would hope, oh my god i would hope where would i hope no yeah for him pee hole pee hole for sure, diarrhea through his pee hole i also threw his eyes i was thinking eyes because i just want to like because he's got glasses it maybe the heat will fog him

up so he won't be able to see diarrhea steam steam. Whoa, that got real nasty in my head. You know what? I feel real good about it. Yeah. Oh, I welcome it for him. Yeah. I think that my Ritalin just kicked in because now I feel very steady about this idea. Really? Again, no witches have hit us up to tell us how to curse somebody with diarrhea. Yeah. So just, you know, if you're out there, let us know. Witch talk. Let us know. Let us know. We'll be responsible.

Okay. Well, thank you for listening to this terrible, terrible journey. Thanks, guys. Listen, if you have HBO Max, you can watch season one and two of The Vow there. It is very good. It gives you a lot more. It's so riveting because of everything that's been recorded. Uh-huh. It's crazy. They have just so much. They have so much. Like they had, and he thought, this is really funny. Way to go, Mark.

Well, Keith wanted everything recorded because he was like, if they try to get us on anything, thing there'll be all these videos proving that we were innocent my but a lot of it is what brought him down yeah a lot of it brought him down all these conversations so it's like really interesting to see exactly how it all because he definitely was like yeah the accuracy is probably out of control and there's also a video of him talking to daniella when she's younger and trying to

convince her that he could be her religion that is just so fucking crazy that is just so crazy the audacity i don't get when people can put themselves in such light to where it's like oh i could be your religion yeah fucking right off but yeah so if you want if you want you should go watch the vow also sarah edmondson and nippy aims their podcast just a little bit culty i'll I'll put, or just a little bit culty, just a little bit culty.

It's a little bit culty. I don't remember the exact. I will put it in the show notes. It's really, really good. They do talk a little bit. They'll give like updates, but also like from their point of view, I think that it's super, super handy. But then they also, you know, they're parents, so they also have like attachment parenting strategies and stuff. All right. And they're cute. Okay. Yeah.

And if you want, you can watch Battlestar Galactica. and maybe you make a drinking game you know i'll watch it with you guys take a shot every time you're all of a sudden reminded of our what a piece of shit nikki klein is yeah you when you're like oh i love her character no fuck her i know i'll watch it i'm down except for like cold thing i'm down for most things down for most things i'm havesies on something that's what i'm saying Like, I feel like I, yeah.

When I spent time in my hotel room alone, you know what I did? Oh. I watched Abigail. Like, I watched a horror movie. I know. I am going to have to bring all the things. I'm going to be in a hotel room by myself for six days. Oh, yeah. Isn't that crazy? You can definitely watch The Vow and get depressed. Or you can watch Battlestar Galactica. Or you could watch Star Wars. Yes. You could start. Yeah. Look at, my eyes are lit up and Jess's look terrified.

I was like, I'm all, I'll start with a bow. Maybe there's a new, maybe there's a new Bravo. That's my shit. That's my shit. Like the. You know what I'm going to do? I think that I need to create like a Bravo type reality recap of like nerd things. Like Star Wars. Yeah. Or like Marvel.

Okay. okay well i'll have testimonials of someone being like he thinks that he is like on the light side but like really uh-huh he's just a baby who's riding a pod racer or like something like star wars like nerdy things but you see have you ever seen the sketch oh my god this is getting off the rails have you seen the sketch the real housewives of disney and like lindsey lohan i think is like Like Cinderella. What? No. And Casey Rose Wilson is Belle. Is she Belle? Who is she?

No, maybe she's not. Maybe it's Noelle Wells. She could do no wrong. She would be a great Belle. She would be great in anything. No, Kristen Wiig is Cinderella. And she's like, everyone's hammered. Oh my God, it's so good. Oh my God, I need to see it. It was on SNL. Yeah. Years ago. When Casey Rose Wilson, wasn't she on for one year? Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

All right, I'm done fucking around. All right. Well, thanks for listening to this get off the rails for 15 minutes longer than it should have.

Than it should have. Usually. Set some your time in jail. Sentence. Sentence. 260 years is what it should be. Not enough. Not enough time for that piece of shit. Yeah. We're done. He's a piece of shit. All right. Bye. Bye. Music.