Welcome to the cult classic horror show. conversations you've always wanted to have about the films you love. Shut up! Get rid of your distractions. And prepare yourself. You got a big surprise coming to you. You're not going anywhere. Welcome, welcome everybody to the cult classic horror show. Danny Bonin here with you. Scotty Bonin with you guys. We are the Blood Brothers and Carmelo Chimera.
With his best Bruce Wayne voice. We're calling him Batman today because his voice is gone. Or his best Batman voice, should I say. Super sexy voice. I have a hard on right now. Were you shooting one of those pornos where they actually gag on the cock and then it just did too much damage? Is that what happened? Yeah, it turns out you can only take so many loads at once before the human throat is not meant for it. Usually it helps the vocal cords in the throat, but I think if you overdo it, it...
goes the other way around. It declines. You can always think too much of a good thing. You're right. Rob is MIA. I have been texting him. So give him some shit. I don't know what's going on with Rob. But here we are. He might pop it. You never know. Yeah, we'll see what happens. I think maybe if you're watching on YouTube, you'll notice we're all sipping some whiskey here. I went with the plain old...
Basil Hayden's on the rock. What are you guys? What's your flavor? I have Kern 12-year Irish whiskey. Okay. A-E-R-N. Okay. I haven't had that. And I have a Japanese whiskey, Tori whiskey. Suntory? Ibiki? Yeah, exactly. It's the Ibiki. Yeah, that's some good stuff, man. I tried to get that. Its clarity is unmatched. It's truly a feat of engineering.
So we got an Irish whiskey, Japanese whiskey, and American whiskey all on the same YouTube right now. And I happen to have some tea here as well. I'm making a hot toddy. Oh, yeah. Well, because of Carmelo's tone and volume, we could all act like we're on NPR, and he could do his whispers, and I could do this every now and then, Mike. I could do a little...
Yeah, a little whisper, a little sip of your tea. Thanks for joining us, everybody, at the cult classic horror show here. Just as long as you don't go, after you sip your tea. No, I actually have a little bit of a congestion going on and head cold to myself. So I might, I might sound a little stuffy, but I feel good. I'm glad we're here. Cause I missed last week. I was in Walt Disney world with, with my, two weeks ago. Sorry.
But today we are talking about the Kindred, which I didn't know even existed until Jason Purcell, another avid listener and sender of cigar pictures. Yeah. Recommended. And here we are. He also recommended body melt. And you know what? We don't even know what we're covering next. So feel free to always. Stir of echoes. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Let's do it.
I have the DVD here. Okay, you should check if it has a... I didn't mean to executive decision that I thought we talked about that in the thread. I'm sorry. No, we did. We brought it up and we were like, I think we left off with saying, Scotty, does the DVD have special features? And he never responded. And I need to check it.
Still, yeah. It was stirring around in there. It was stirring, get it? Let's just call it Stir of Echoes. That should be a cult classic now. That was back in early 2000 or early 2000, right? yeah it's you take for perspective i realized the other day the way i used to revere 80s movies when i was growing up yeah that's 90s and early 2000s movies that's what do you Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
It's a solid movie. Maybe we can circle around. We were talking about – well, me and Danny were talking about The Gate that I watched back in the day, and I think that would be a good one. Yeah, another suggestion from Jason. I recommend that one too. The Gate. So anyways, but –
But yeah, I'm glad that I found the kindred because, I mean, first impressions, I thought it was pretty darn good. It's got plenty of solid... gore and creature effects that no cgi whatsoever and that's of course what we love one of the things we love about older horror films this is 87 and it just
a lot of the nostalgic stuff that we look for and and me anyways really enjoy so i what there was there some questionable acting maybe but there always is in these fun nostalgic movies but the gore was just awesome the creature effects were awesome and the story kept me paying attention at least you know so i i liked it i thought it was a good movie i agree with you
Hats off to Jason for recommending it. The Kindred 87. It's that good 80s feel movie, too. It's got the 80s music. The picture wasn't that great, but it still showed up. Yeah, I thought the music you just mentioned... was the it was like a very dramatic orchestra orchestral soundtrack that
It sort of reminded me of some parts of Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2. It had some lullaby themes in there. It had some strings. Well, of course, there's the... the mom uh the mother of john and anthony whatever they played the lullaby tape for which was kind of cool it kind of brought you back to evil dead with like the with the lullaby yeah evil dead too with the little henrietta yeah so but no i
agree with you the creature effects were good it it like kind of was like a lead-up to there was at first you know there there's a couple scenes where
There was some gore stuff, but it was really huge. The last 30 minutes was amazing. I thought the story leading up to it... was great too and i i you said the acting i thought the acting wasn't was pretty no there's just a couple moments i think and now that i watch it again with commentary and i almost i think they were choices and they were um So not necessarily bad acting, just some different and out of the box choices by...
Mainly the guy that played... I gotta pull up the characters because... There were some doctors that had those two lines that weren't that great. I think I am talking about Brad. He's trying to quit smoking. Yeah. He had a slightly Goldblum feel. to him yeah he totally did I so I agree with you I think I had the sense of he was making choices there like bolder choices yeah early in the movie I was like
I wasn't feeling it, but by the end, I saw what he was doing, and I realized that this character, he was intentional, and it was good. I liked it. Yeah, Brad. This character stuck out. Peter Forchette. Forchette is his name.
What made me take a second thought and glance at it was while watching the commentary, the directors, the co-directors were just... going on about how amazing he was oh really how awesome he was and i was like really i thought he was like the worst actor but then i started thinking about him like oh i guess he probably those are intentional choices that he made He had some of those iconic lines at the very end. Cindy, no! And just some of those loud...
like with the facial expressions. I can't remember the lines, but he had some good ones at the end there. What do you think of the movie as a whole, Carmelo? I really liked it. I think it's exactly what we have in mind when we think of cult classic horror. I think the acting does hold up for the most part. And with you, the story had me. I was like, oh, it's...
What kind of experiment? How do these two know each other? What's the angle here? So that kept me intrigued. And in a way, some of these movies, even the ones we like, some of them... don't have a strong story to draw you in. And you're just kind of going from kill to kill. And sometimes that's fun, but this was better than that. And the effects were great. They, you know, they hold up because they're practical, even bad practical effects.
hold up better than than cgi most of the time um i i think the The thing about the movie, if I didn't, the reason it wasn't maybe not perfect, there was a couple plot holes we'll talk about as we get through it. A couple things they dropped that I wish they had explained better. And maybe if the movie had been worse, I wouldn't care because I would not be expecting them to fill all the holes. But I generally liked it a lot.
yeah yeah i i agree with you there because there was a couple times during while watching that i was like oh why why they do that or why they do this or what about this but then i tended to as the movie went on and the climax was happening I almost forgot what I was... what what i was had issue right is your climaxing your climaxing i was climaxing yeah you know there was a lot of goo and um gooey gel and as there is when i climb slime so it kind of relates to it
think the effects were amazing in this like it was like hats off to the ending and the ending was terrific yeah yeah it was i really liked it a lot too so i'm glad i'm one of what rob thinks about it you know but i i i liked it yeah i mean this would i would think check mark his boxes as far as creature or all that stuff yeah so i can't believe i've never seen this too it's it's definitely a cult classic it's a radar for sure yeah well i got some
um oh well well let's start first uh oh gosh i hate to make carmelo do a synopsis when his voice is we can get the the npr you know a shot of whiskey up close synopsis here from carmelo yes That's right. Thanks for tuning in tonight, everyone. We're talking about the Kindred. Oh, yeah. That microphone sounds good. In The Kindred, scientist John Hollins finds out that his mother was engaged in secret genetic experiments.
when he returns to the family home to destroy those experiments in the wake of her death he discovers a horrible monstrous hybrid that she's created that is in fact his own brother other scientists try to undermine him in order to get access to this secret research, leading to a gory, explosive finish where John and his friends must fight off Anthony and the other hybrids in a spectacular showdown.
I like that. That was great. That sums it up. Thank you. And headed off by the just handsome and chiseled David Allen Brooks. I know, right? Dude. He's got the kind of face you could light a match on. it's so true john holland who played john holland yeah he's yeah you know what the directors said or one of them while on the commentary was he looks like a mix between howard stern and thomas jane like older you know when they were younger totally yeah
Yeah. Also a shout out to shout out to an actress in there. Amanda pays who plays Melissa. She's like the spy scientist. She was very pretty mermaid thing at the end. It's horrifying. The whole time I was like, I know this attractive British woman, but not just because she's familiar looking, but I recognize her from spouting sci-fi gibberish. And then I realized...
She played a main character on the 90s Flash television show. Oh, really? Playing more or less the same part of a sexy British scientist who said gibberish science jargon to get us through the episodes. no way i think it was because if i look at her credits it says the flash 2014 to 16. so yeah you're gonna get the nerd out of me now she played him in the era in the 90s
And then the modern Flash brought her back as the same character on another Earth. So her character, Christine McGee, exists in the 90s Flash universe. I see that. The 2016 Flash Universe. And they do a crossover. That's so cool. Look at that. For fans, it was really cool for them to do that. Well, she was also in the X-Files at one point. That old horror movie called Leviathan, which we should probably cover at some point. Oh, yeah. I've never covered. So, yeah. That's a bunch.
She was, we'll talk about how they got her a little bit. And yeah, I mean, just stone cold Fox in this one. With that accent, man. I mean, how could John Hollis just resist that? I mean, he did eventually. I think there was, they both admitted there was some. on set and really back and forth but they probably just you know got it going in the back here set wife right
Set wife, that's right. Set wife. Or no, Sharon was the set wife, but Melissa was the set girlfriend. Set mistress. Set girlfriend. So, yeah, well, do you have some numbers on this one? Yeah, I got some numbers. We'll see if your numbers are right. I know the budget from the commentary, but let's see what you've got. 2.5 million budget? Oh, they said three. They said three million. We'll just go to 2.5 to 3 million budget. And box office was 2.4 million.
So about bricked even, maybe made a little bit less. It really took off on VHS is what they said. Okay. I could imagine. Yeah. It said it's release first time. It released. and on vhs and had a great run and then it released on blu-ray and dvd and um had a limited steelbook edition that sold sold a lot of units too so maybe that made yeah well this is another one of those not maybe not quite as
As much so as Night Beast that we talked about where the cast was dumbfounded that they were being interviewed about Night Beast. Oh, yeah. This one was a little bit of that was going on, but not to the extent of Night Beast. But yeah, I mean, they were like, whoa, we're doing a Blu-ray commentary? Like, what's going on here? And people still watch this movie? I would say because we generally liked Night Beast and made similar comments about it being a...
kind of lovably bad cult classic horror movie. I just wanted to say, in my mind, Kindred's a better movie, right? I think of them in a similar class of these fun, older movies. But... I did want to say, I think Kindred is a notch above in terms of quality. You know, Nightpiece was certainly enjoyable for how bad it was. And I understand that you were just commenting on the relative surprise of the actors at either movie being.
remembered um but you know we we like a lot of cult classics even ones that suck like night beast we like and some that are good that we like like kindred falls to me for that in that category for sure for sure well and you're right they are in a different category because night beast was made by mainly a few guys with barely any outside funding and not really a studio and right and as
as you'll learn here in a minute, the kindred was sort of had a budget. They were made by a studio. They shot on a soundstage and you know what I mean? So yeah, for sure. Different category of films, but, but still that, that same sort of feel. Yeah. so yeah they um there were actually what god five writers on the kindred or something like that it went around uh but but in a collaborative effort
It wasn't like someone wrote it, then someone rewrote it, then someone rewrote it, then someone rewrote it. It wasn't that. It was sort of a collaborative effort between. So Stephen Carpenter and Jeffrey Obrow were the directors, co-directors. and co-writers along with, I mean, I could list off writers, but one of them is important, and I'll tell you why. So Stephen Carpenter, Jeffrey Obrow, John Penny, Earl Ghaffari.
And Joseph Stefano, who is famous for writing the screenplay of Psycho. Oh, really? Yeah. For, you know, based off a Hitchcock story. Yeah. And so that. He was one of the last ones to come on board with it. Basically, well, let me back up a little bit further. Jeffrey Obrow, Steven Carpenter, the co-directors, along with a couple of the effects guys.
and some of these co-writers listed too, all went to film school together back in college. I think it was in California that they talked about. And...
They had done a couple projects previous to this. One of them was called, the very first one is called The Dorm That Dripped Blood. And they made it in college after seeing... halloween so actually it was jeffrey o'brow steven carpenter and then um the co-producer uh gosh if i can just pull up her name real quick it was uh gia gia chino it looks like gia chino but it's like
Giacchino, Stacy Giacchino. She was the co-producer on all the films with them. So the three of them had gone and seen the first Halloween in theaters.
And just thought to themselves, we could make something like this. And they were all put together at that point. Yeah, and they had access to everything at the film school. They had access to all the equipment except for the film itself. And so they had to... raise some money for that but it looks like they were at ucla i just see here that's what i was thinking yeah so they made that dorm the drip blood they made another film after it i think called uh the power or something like that um
dorm, the drip blood was a slasher. The power was more of like a supernatural film. And then they wanted to do now something different, like a creature feature. Uh, that's what, that's what kindred was. Um, But the way that they got this one made is they had made a sizzle reel, basically, what they called promotional video back in the day.
of all the best scenes or all the best parts it was like nine minutes long they said so not anything to scoff at i mean it takes some work to make a nine minute short film oh yeah the heavy width decent looking effects you know absolutely yeah and i think you're going to get all like the like bread and butter for the for that sizzle they probably had to pour some money into it too yeah and i think that they all the writers besides stefano
who was sort of brought on as like the celebrity writer, was on board before that helping going back and forth with the script. They made this sizzle reel. They actually shot the sizzle reel at... roger corman's studios oh really our studio yeah and it was a little bit of a large production for them anyways and getting to work on in that studio
um they had pitched the script they didn't have the sizzle reel yet so before that they had sent the script to uh f f and m it's the distributor on this or the the quote-unquote studio on it which is like f and m entertainment um they were sort of a big outfit back in the day one of the one of the initials f or m was like the guy one of the one of the big wigs in town to to go to
And they had sent the script to them and they just immediately were like, pass, we're going to pass on this. And it didn't go anywhere. But I guess six months later or so, they were in the market to then do a horror film. We're going to do a certain one, but then remembered the script that they had sent them was reading better than this one they were going to maybe shoot. So they reached back out to these guys and said, actually, you know, let's take a look at your script again.
and right at the the timing was perfect right at that time they just finished the sizzle reel they're like well let me actually we just finished a reel on this let's send it over to you and i think the next day they're like if yes but It's greenlit. Like if you can make a movie that similar to this sizzle reel, then let's do it.
Really? And they greenlit like $3 million budget right then and there. This is FNM Entertainment that greenlit it or whoever. Yeah, and I forgot what the FNM is. It's two guys. It's two last names. And they were... sort of big at this level in the entertainment, in town at that time. Yeah. Wow. So, yeah.
They mentioned that the first, what was it? The first feature they did during the drip blood was a, like a 30 or 30 to $50,000 film or something. And then the power, like the next one they did was 90,000. and then yeah i i believe i'm right and then yeah then they made the jump to three million so to them it was like big time they're like oh yeah we're in the big times now yeah making that i mean having that much money back in 87 like jeez
You can do as much as you can now, but still, man, that's a lot. Yeah. What's funny, though, is they greenlit the film off the sizzle reel, and they were getting... prepping and for the shoot pre-production i think they had put them up on location already and they were getting ready to shoot
And the execs came in after reading the whole script. And we're like, this needs to be rewritten. This isn't as good as we... thought oh shit the guys were like did you not read the script before you greenlit the film and they were like oh we just saw the sizzle reel oh my god oh shit it's so typical come on this is a real good So that's when they brought on Joseph Stefano of Psycho fame. And what happened was the execs went to him and said, hey, we have a list here. I don't know. It was like.
eight to ten writers. These are the writers that we have available for you to collaborate with to help get this script up to par. Choose one to work with, you know. and they went down the list and literally they didn't recognize any of them they were all supposed to be up and coming accomplished writers uh except they got to stefano and they're like well this isn't like the joseph stefano from psycho right and he's like yeah
Like, you want to work with him? Pick him. And so you're like, well, fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Are you? They did say that they did say that he was super cool about, um, just. collaborating and super excited about the project. Not no clout or no, nothing about him said.
that he thought he was a big wig or a big shot you know what i mean he's just like calling him at night being like oh wait till you read what this part like let me know what you think and all this stuff you know so a pleasure to work with yeah Yeah, a pleasure to work with you. They brought up a good point, the director, when talking about Stefano, saying that a lot of these people, and probably this is true to this day, that quote-unquote become legends.
don't even really think of themselves that way yet or ever at all. And then when you work with them, they don't really, some of them that are humble, don't even think they have any right to act any different than you as another writer. You know what I mean? So it's just. It's just people collaborating, which is really cool. That's awesome. They all have the love for the film, for horror, for putting the film together and making it scary and good.
One thing that's good that they changed, the original name of the film was Experiment DNA. Oh, goodness. That's bad. Like I said, it should have been called a hybrid. They use the word hybrid repeatedly. Oh my god, hybrid. Hybrid would be cool, although I like the kindred. Hybrid, cyan, and whatever that was called. Yeah. Yeah. Hemocyanin, I think. Yeah. Because it's like hemoglobin is humans and hemocyanin is marine life is what.
The director said they literally heard that on an ounce of research and was like, let's go with that. Hemocyanin. Oh God. And on the strength of that created one of the two plot holes for me, which is. The girl who turns into like a gill person. Dude, that was crazy. Yeah, I thought the hemocyanin was poison at first because the guy in the hospital has it. Then she gets sprayed with it.
and turns into the mermaid woman now she also said she had a disease contracted from exposure to it so i don't know like was that her disease or was it her disease plus getting sprayed with more that turned her into the yeah what does it really do it's and then everyone else gets drenched in that shit the rest of the movie and everybody's fine so i don't know yeah because it's in the goo right like it's in the ghoul it's gotta be
I mean, if that thing touches you, it's going to be inside of you. It's inside of it. It's hard. It's blood. Like the white goo is it's blood basically. Right. Right. the tongue wrapped around his neck he had it inside his blood so his bloodstream so like they made it yeah and they made it sound like a couple times because the whole thing was that the previous guy that died years ago in that town
they found large traces of it in his blood. And so it was like it being in his blood killed him. And this guy might be okay. Cause there's not as large. Yeah, exactly.
but she didn't die she got a weird disease and then when she gets covered in it again she mutates and i'm not sure if it she was going to mutate anyway or something yeah because she was supposedly getting something from the doctor to keep it under control right right yeah she was getting some kind of medicine but it wasn't strong enough so she was doing his bidding
Yeah. I think you're right. That is a plot hole where they just said, hemocyanin, done. Yeah. That's all we need to say. What it does is not consistent at all. And now this part's not a whole. This is just my preference. And I thought there was going to be a final scare with her alive. Oh, me too, man. Yeah. She was going to come back. Come back. I mean, she was going to come back.
That'd be cool. That transformation of her into that mermaid, whatever thing, creature was so awesome. I thought she was going to come back and like... kill someone or do something but be like a total transformation unrecognizable person and chomp someone's head off she wasn't even bit dead right yeah she didn't look dead and i i thought it would at least be like the the last minute scare.
you know come back for the sequel scare horror movies always do you know yeah oh sure everything's okay oh wait ah one last jump so that but but it's her transformation that to me is the one hole i wish the one of the two holes i noticed i really wish were explained
Yeah, yeah, totally. All this stuff is like, how'd she get it? Why isn't it affecting others like it is affecting her and all this stuff? Yeah. Well, some of that explains, maybe provides a tiny bit of closure that they just grabbed a hold of. the term hemocyanin and ran with it yeah and the funny thing is like
You sit there guessing and theorizing, if you're me, and you're like, gee, I wonder, what does the hemocyanin do? What is this? And the answer is, like, you already know the answer, that they had no fucking idea. Yeah, yeah.
That was the answer. I just... didn't want it to be the answer yeah there was just a scientific name that sounded really cool and and sciencey and they just went with it and we're like as viewers like oh okay that's cool yeah i don't know anything about that you know drug or whatever so
it works for me well so they um they shot this at laird he took the time to like yeah yeah exactly they did well you know they found something i never heard of that's yeah that's exactly um well so they shot this at laird slash now it's called Culver Studios, which apparently is a famous... Soundstage. They shot like some of Citizen Kane there and a lot of these other large movies. So it was pretty cool for them to be doing that. Roger Corman's studio?
No, no, no. That's where they shot the sizzle reel was on. Got it. The actual film that uses Culver Studios for pretty much all of it. There were exteriors, of course, of the house. There's some exterior scenes going on. But anytime they're in the house, they're in the creature's cave, or even out on the porch, like where the freezer, chest freezer was, that's all soundstage. And anything indoors, although they did go to location for hospital.
And the scientific place, the Geneticel or whatever, that was like an old hospital. So those were actual locations. But the house itself... Everything going on in there was on a soundstage. And they did build like a two-story... I'm putting it in quotes because two-story... It wasn't actually two stories. They had a...
second floor layout built somewhere than a first floor layout built next to it. But they did say that the first floor that was built was built about eight feet off the ground so that... they could work underneath it and the actual creature's domain was underneath it so they could fall through the floor and do all that stuff. Although it looked like more than eight feet down.
Oh, dude, that looked like it was 20 feet down. I mean, maybe just the view of the POV made it look like it was bigger than what it really was. So it was a big, a large build. You can tell I made a note.
commentary but i noted when they're climbing from the creature's domain back up the laundry chute and they they come out the laundry chute then it's like looks sort of like a brick chimney or something yeah oh yeah it does but what he if you look again when they start to climb up it he pushes his back against it and it actually just like bows it gives a bunch oh really oh yeah it's obviously not a brick wall yeah it's just a plastic or a hard plastic wall or something
yeah so it was uh there's you know you gotta deal with those things that was cool though when she fell in there that huge ass muddy pit of muddy water oh man yeah it's really cool well we talked about David Allen Brooks already. He of course played a Hollis and he came in last minute. Now what's weird is the directors didn't talk about this, but David Allen Brooks talked about it where he got the call from his agent.
And this agent just said, look, you got a movie. They had a guy. They've been shooting two weeks, but they need a replacement, and they want you to be there tomorrow morning. Are you good to go? But the directors mentioned nothing about this in the commentary or anything. Really? And so he showed up on set, I guess, two weeks in, and they had a lot of catching up to do. I mean, he didn't have any issues with it, but...
You're playing the lead guy, buddy. So you better get ready. You got a lot of lines. This happens. A lot of creature stuff going on. Covered with slime. And they didn't talk about... The directors didn't really talk about it. What they did talk about was that...
And I agree. His performance was very sort of understated, very dramatic, like he's not doing a horror movie. And they liked it, and I liked it, too. I think it came across well. He was very... sort of uh calm and and collected the whole time and yeah he had a good look too he was good yeah so um and he's He's been in a few other things. But really the two actors who have a lot of clout, at least at the time for this film, are Rod Steiger, who plays the evil... Dr. Lloyd. Yeah, Dr. Lloyd.
He was just in a ton of stuff previous to this, one of those old-time actors. He was in On the Waterfront with Marlon Brando. I think he might be an Oscar winner. The only thing I would have maybe recognized in front of him is he played Father Kovac in End of Days with Schwarzenegger. Oh, really? Yeah. It's the only thing I would maybe know him from. And that's the way in 2002. Yeah.
yeah the the directors mentioned that he was in amityville but i don't that didn't show up on his imdb and i don't recognize him so either got left off or they were mistaken or something Yeah. So he's sort of a legend. And then you have Kim Hunter who plays the mom. She only has a few scenes, but...
She was in Planet of the Apes, the original. She also played Stella in Streetcar Named Desire, the original. Oh, really? Another, I think, Oscar winner. And so to get two of them in this movie, the directors were both just... a little bit flabbergasted that's awesome he did a good job and the directors actually mentioned they both Rod Steiger was a little bit of not a pain to work with, but just specific way knew that he was sort of the big dog around there. And, um,
They got the same note from Rod and Kim, but really they talked more about Rod Steiger. Actually, this made me think of Carmelo because in a good way. The director said, and I think it was Obrow, said that he was talking. He told Rod Steiger on set one time. He's like, you're more evil. Be more evil. Be more evil. He paused. He's like, I need five minutes with Obrow here. Can we just get five minutes? Cleared the crew out of the room and told him, I...
I come from the actor's studio. I am a method actor. You don't tell me the... you don't just tell me what to feel you have to tell me why the character is what you know like all this stuff yeah why what is happening right now and what and that should lead him to feel that way you know and it's actually really good advice he gave that yeah yeah and i think depending on the character it can work either way because we just covered from dusk till dawn and
the director's comment and rodriguez comment there was that cluny is not that way well you can just tell cluny be this way or do that and he'll just be like all right and then he'll just do it you know what i mean awesome because he's not a method he's like not a method actor but if you tell But if someone is a method actor, then this is a better way to talk to them. Daniel Day-Lewis or Sam Worthington. Yeah, and it just made me think of you, Carvello, because that's more of...
The way that you were talked to us on set, you know, a few of the times. Thank you. I love that. I love this. Tell me what to do and I'll do it. Yeah. I don't need to get too. Carmela was having other role. Carmelo was more of like, this is what's happening. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This is how you feel. You're more asking questions. You know what I mean? How would you feel? That's the only way. Because I can't tell you, like, Danny.
be angry yeah i don't i don't know what makes you angry i mean i might know what makes you angry because you and i are so close and i know what scotty gets angry but if if you're just a director working with an actor you have to ask them How would this make you feel? How would you react to it? And your authentic performance is maybe more important than my vision. Because when you tell someone acts more evil, people don't act evil. That's not a thing humans do.
yeah humans they can act greedy they can act angry or even when they're angry they what they really are is outraged or frustrated or impatient they can be cruel or but they can't be evil like you can't just tell someone be evil and and i think that's why it's such good advice and i'm not saying like i have the best directing method in the universe it's just that to me that's the only thing that makes sense
Yeah, it's true because people that are being quote-unquote evil don't think they're being evil. You know what I mean? Right. Even if you say something like, you know, be sad or something like that. There's actually a range of emotions in there that are much more specific. Oh, yeah. Actually, our friend Bill said to me once, Bill Mosley said he calls it face acting, when you're like, be sad, and you're like, boo-hoo.
lips and squint your eyes and you fake cry and like yeah that's what sad faces look like that's not what sadness is though like yeah that's not what sadness is like you're afraid of losing something right yeah you miss something it's more it's much more nuanced than just happy sad angry evil like and the only way to get to that is questions yeah no that's true that's why i like the way you're you you approach it too you you care and you you get into the
our heads you know as actors and it's not just hey do do this just like generic thing i'm like oh no that's why that note reminded me of it you know it's like oh yeah i actually read another one here too um when when when rod steiger uh took direction for a specific scene from Stephen Carpenter this time. He pulled Carpenter aside and told him, an actor is the only person whose mistakes are photographed.
So Carpenter went on to say in interviews that he never forgot this moment, and it changed the way he and Jeffrey Ogro approached. I saw that too. He mentioned that as well multiple times. yeah so it was getting in there yeah rod steiger was definitely just a more
Yeah, a handful of an actor. Not that it was a bad thing. If anything, he sounds seasoned and it sounds almost like he was trying to manage up a little bit. And I don't know, maybe he was a prick about it. Maybe he was not. But just based off.
Yeah, exactly. It sounds like he was being quite helpful. Yeah, and actually... I hope he did it in a nice way. Yeah, well, and there's some other things that made me think he was... awesome because uh for instance at the end he gets covered with the goop and he slides down into the hole and uh he i guess he was a real trooper about it he just said They said, we're going to put some slime on top of you. And he's like, just.
Give me all of it. Like, give me all of it. And they just dumped a 55-gallon drum slime on top of him as he was sitting there. That part was kind of weird. Like, why did he just let himself? just get sucked into there and he was screaming yeah he was sort of just run away he started just standing there looking at it and then there was a moment where i think he overreacted a little bit he was like oh god
You're just letting it happen. What's happening? There's actually a funny side story because they showed that scene. So anyways, they showed this movie in some cinemas, right? um the the first time it played and it was in in la at this like one of the bigger movie theaters the whole cast and crew oh you know what it wasn't a public screening it was um i think it was a test screening still
And the cast and crew went out to watch it at this theater. And as they watched it, they noticed that everything was a little bit sped up. Like the voices were a little sped up and they showed a little clip of it and it had...
him in that moment going oh god yeah and the uh i think it was one of the writers not the two directors but one of the writers um went up to the theater manager was like what's what's going on here and he's like oh this is the way the filmmakers wanted it they must have wanted it and he's like I'm the filmmaker. This is not the way we want it. He's like, here's my ID. Here's the poster. He's like, really? He just said that that goes to show that.
Truly, back in the day anyways, the projectionist has the final cut. Oh my God, of course. The guy running the projector screen. Must be rushing to get to an eight or something. Right, he had plans to be. Yeah, he had a plan. Let's get through this fucking movie. God damn it. You mentioned that ending about Rod Steiger because there was that one bit maybe he went a little too far, but when he's screaming about...
how Anthony is John's brother and there's a part of him. And I was like watching this movie and I'm like, there's this giant monster exploding. There's this man screaming. And I thought, This man understood the assignments, man. He fucking showed up for work in that scene. He did not phone that shit in. Hell yeah. Yeah. They said that in the commentary. They were like,
They were like, while watching him, they were like, he just went for it. He just went for it. And they were like, yeah, amen. He just went for it. So we're glad he did. He was great, man. Yeah, and I think they had him for two weeks or something. What actually happened was they... had shot the ending and then they i think the execs watched it and said no you're missing this and this like it's more more gore more creatures more blah blah
And then they reshot the ending with a lot more to it. And apparently when David Ellen Brooks is... yelling across the void to rod steiger and all this he rod steiger wasn't even there anymore so they added all some sequences at the end and yeah they had to do it without him there So they, yeah, definitely added some stuff. But yeah, but speaking of the creatures, we'll talk about these guys. So Mike McCracken, special effects. Mike McCracken.
Yeah, Mike McCracken, he was the creature sculptor. Him and his dad, I believe, they were business partners at the time, and he had learned the craft from his dad. But before this, before they brought... brought mic on. Matthew Mungle is the head of makeup and he had worked with this sort of crew of people on the first two features I talked about. The dorm one and then the power.
And I think was also at school with them and just part of their little group. So they wanted him to, of course, do the makeup effects on this movie as well. and weren't sold from the beginning that they needed anyone else. And Matthew Mungle was like, no, we got to bring on Mike. I know this guy. He's great with sculpting.
we're going to need for just the creature. Like I'll do all the makeup and all the everything, but we just need a creature sculptor. Right. And sort of like a creature specialist. And so they brought Mike McCracken on board and, and yeah, these two guys really, obviously. did a great job matthew mungle went on uh to do makeup effects for bram stoker's dracula eventually so oh really yeah so he blew up and and did that um geez
But yeah, so they were sort of a dynamic duo and really didn't talk about any kind of tensions or problems between them at all. And so I think everything came out great. They said they went through a ton of... KY Jelly and all this. I forgot what they called it. It was like something methylene is the actual stuff that they used. But they did tell a funny story that...
When they had to shoot these extra sequences, they needed, I don't know, a ton more lube and a bunch of condoms for some of it. I don't know why. I'm not sure what it was for, but... One of them went down to the, whatever store was there at the time in LA and just like put the whole rack of lube and condoms into the basket. And, you know, it was checking out the.
Just getting the weirdest looks from the checkout person who's like, are you having a party tonight or something? Oh, yeah. God. So, yeah, you can imagine. What is gold? Yeah, gold. Yeah. What's that? You know, it's awkward enough buying one. Yeah, I know. Walgreens at two in the morning to buy one condom. It's like, yeah. Can we leave here? Yeah.
Dude, yeah, I know that feeling. God, especially them buying that many. Oh, my God, dude. Like, if I buy, like, lube and condoms, like, when I was younger, I'm like, here, just take these condoms. I used to get them out of, like, gumball machines when I was younger. You know, it's like, oh, just buy them out of this. You know, they have condom machines, not gumball machines, but condom machines. Yeah. Oh, my God. Do we have time for a short tangent story?
I think so. I think we do. Yeah, of course. When I won't say his name because he's passed away and I don't want to say anything bad about the people. I don't think it's bad. But when I was in college, there was a professor of economics there who had been actually smuggled over from the Soviet Union before the fall.
They, like, hid him in fucking Kenosha, Wisconsin, because they were like, no one's, the KGB's not going to look for him in Kenosha. Yeah. And they got him when he was speaking in Sweden. And they picked him up there and then they threw him on a plane to America. And that's how they got him over. And he had like two pieces of luggage with him. And one of the two pieces was filled to the brim with condoms.
What? Because he couldn't get dead freely in the Soviet Union. And he was going to America, so he loaded up on condoms in Sweden. What? He just... He was just going to bang his way through capitalism. God bless him. Oh my God. I've been rationed one condom a year for the last 10 years. I want the whole fucking suitcase. That's so cool. I got ribbed here. I got ultra thin. I wonder if he, I wonder if he made his way through them. I wonder if he got,
You know, I like to think that he did. He didn't sell condoms? He couldn't get them in the Soviet Union? You know how shit is. in the communist country where you can't just go to the store and buy shit it's all rationed and totally coupons and you can only buy so many and yeah because the government makes everything so yeah
long lines and things like that. You know, you just got to wait an hour for grocery. I'm not, I don't know if every communist country is like that and I lived in one, but that's a story about the Soviet Union. It was everyone.
you know you had to go to the grocery store for like three hours get your like quarter chicken for the day bread lines right they have the bread lines yeah that's great you got it you got it yeah and condom lines apparently and condom yes right uh well speaking of condoms i don't know that's not not a good segue latex i was gonna move on to amanda paye's character who you know you would use a condom with i guess or maybe not i would like to spend as much time on her as possible
So her character in the script was originally written as a man, just like a guy, like another co-scientist that Steiger put up to it and was supposed to report back and sort of be the sneaky spy, right? They took it to... I'm going to get to which guy it was. It might have been Obrow or Carpenter. One of them was... Actually, this was one of them that was business partners with their dad. Mike McCracken did learn special effects from his dad, but one of these two directors was like...
quote-unquote business partners with their own dad. And I don't know to what extent or what that meant because then they went on to say, oh, but my dad wasn't familiar with the industry. So maybe he was just like... They had done previous businesses together or he was in an investor role or something like that. But they said they took the script to him, had him read through it.
And he gave him like 15 notes or something like that. Oh, great script. I don't, you know, whatever. And on their way out the door, he's like, oh, and. that character that should be a woman it needs to be a woman and there needs to be some love tension and some things going on there really and they were like actually
How did we not see that? It does need to be a woman. It was just a special effects guy that read the script. No, it was one of the director's dads. Okay, one of the director's dads. I'm just saying the special effects guy did have learned... Earlier I had said the special effects guy was a business partner with his dad. I got that wrong.
He did learn the trade from his dad. That's right. It's one of these two directors that was business partners. That's right. And his dad said, he needs to be a woman. And they took it to the dad. Yeah. So they, I don't know how they. officially got amanda pays but they had known her from some previous films and were honored that to get her and i think she this was her first thing after she was a london actress
And this was her first film she got after she obtained an agent in L.A., flew over here, moved here to do the whole Hollywood thing. And this was sort of the first film that she got. And David Allen Brooks talks about when he first arrived on set.
you know last minute to shoot all this stuff uh he saw that she was there recognized her from a couple movies and was like very pleased that she was well part of the production imagine that he's familiar with her uh body of work yes yes of course dude yeah oh my god Go ahead. Go ahead. I was just going to say, it's such a good writing note. Like it's such a good lesson in writing as to why that role is better for a woman than a man, because you can create the.
the three-way tension that was there just as another layer of intrigue you know you were like what's she up to and then the fact that she exploits that to spy on him makes it relevant to the story so it's not just you know um window dressing it actually matters yeah and i thought that was a really clever way to do it it also makes her very vulnerable to rod steiger's character which makes him more evil by comparison yeah right
again people don't act evil but they can't on people underneath of them and he you know picks on her because he has her medicine and so it just it made so many characters in the movie more interesting I mean, think about John's girlfriend didn't have much of a story otherwise. Yep. Oh, yeah. She really didn't. Now she has this jealousy factor going in with her snuggling up close to John.
and um taking over the project uh so to speak of like her mom's stuff and all her research and everything like i thought we were going to do this so yeah definitely brought her character out more it's so funny when she just plants a kiss on brad like you're the
I will never kiss a woman uglier than you. Uglier than you. And then he just plants a kiss on her, and she just takes it. I'm like, what? Wait a second. Okay. It was funny. The directors talked about, because his comment was that she... was like a cold shrimp when he kissed her right yeah yeah the directors said yeah i don't know what we were thinking like like her fishiness was around when he kissed her because she didn't like him but then she hit it when
She's making out with David Allen Brooks. He didn't notice anything was wrong. I don't know what was... Her lips were cold. Fish lips. I mean, that just goes to the... the whole the plot hole we talked about earlier which goes to show you it was they did not have a plan it did not make sense they did not think it's not why is your skin cold why why is it like why is she hot yeah i mean if it's she was always turning into a merwoman yeah they could have
I mean, they could have hinted at that more. She's just like, I'm cold all the time. My head hurts. She didn't talk about like all the mutations speeding up or something. Oh, cool. They would have foreshadowed, but they just didn't know what they were doing with her. Yeah, they did say that a big important part of...
all of it was her transformation, and they put a lot of work into it, which they did, and I think they pulled off real well. It looked really cool, you know, of course. Oh, yeah, the transformation was awesome. Yeah, it was cool. Yeah, so it was a cool thing, but yeah, not...
Oh, it was super cool. Not a lot of explanation surrounding it. Right. I mean, and I didn't need much explanation. I would have bought some pseudoscience. Yeah. That note you just gave us shows they didn't quite have a plan. I thought it was cool.
was all for it i thought she could have come back at the end i thought like yeah but if i didn't give a shit i would have been like a fucking plot hole yeah uh which bring actually we glossed over this part of the movie for going chronologically yeah i just want to say the other thing they dropped
All those monsters that the doctor had in his basement, all the other. Oh, yeah. I don't know if they were failed hybrids or something, which I guess, and I'm really doing a lot of work for them here. I assume she's one of them. She was the one that turned out a little bit better than some of those that he kept in the basement. But if she had fully turned into the thing, he would have thrown her down there with the other monsters. That's right. I agree with that.
Yeah, they eat the paramedic at the beginning of the movie. That's right. We never go back to them ever. And I find that to be a little bit of a hole. I wish there was something on that.
Yeah, actually, I have a fact on that. The big guy that comes uh shaking the cage on the you know is is actually mike mccracken the creature guy so oh that was really fun but no they the directors did talk about how they loved that sequence and but yeah it didn't really expand on whatever happened to those people right And they so easily could have. A couple lines could have explained who they were. Did what I just did. Connected it to the girl's mutation.
and all that, but I only say it because I liked it. It was cool. Dr. Lloyd throwing his accomplice, the guy that was driving the ambulance, throwing him down there, and he gets sucked up underneath the rail. Whatever they do with him. Who are these misfits? Are they experiments gone wrong? That's why he's bringing them all these dead bodies so he can...
Work on them and bring them back alive again. I did see interviews with Amanda Pays. Then they interviewed David Allen Brooks, and they're both obviously looking way older, but really good. Did it pay off?
And Amanda Pace still looks pretty good. She was talking about how she was away from the industry for quite some time because of kids and motherhood and all that, but that more recently she does a lot of the... comic cons mainly for the flash though like you mentioned carmelo um but that she'll be there and people will come up talking about the kindred all the time and
And she'll just sort of be blown away by that. Really? That's awesome. It's these cult classics that people recognize them for. Yeah. It's crazy. And she does very good. We made a lot of fun tonight, but she acts very well in this. She did a good job. she does you know anytime the actor and you guys know this better than any of us but when the actors have some really far out there sci-fi or order that you gotta sell
That's a tough job. It's a tough job to bring it for that kind of work. And that's why I think maybe my bar is a little lower on some of these movies, but that's why I thought the acting in this was really great.
like um dr john you know i mean he was he did a spectacular job for this sci-fi gibberish you know yeah it's true it's true and that's I was just going to say, I think we saw a little bit of that in Body Melt, too, with a couple of the... prestigious actors from the soaps and everything that decided like yeah why not fuck it like let's do this movie right right and they decided to actually act and not just show up for the you know paycheck and uh
that's very impressive funny enough it's both i think both uh doctors similar body melts a similar movie not completely but and not as good of a movie but but you had like the evil doctor uh and i thought and he was like a prestigious actor yeah and so it was very similar then i thought the guy that also did well was the was sort of the
dethroned doctor that was the hillbilly now that he did a good job too you know so yeah it was similar situation but absolutely absolutely that's exactly what i'm talking about is And our library of episodes is littered with episodes where actors do that. And we have a lot of fun at their expense. And there's those gems where you're like, this movie had no business being this good. and it was because some actor carried this movie on their back you know
Yeah, we've seen it from horrible to great. We've seen everywhere in between. There's some gems out there that come out like, geez, the hell. Yeah. Well, I really only have a few. I can shotgun a couple things. And we already talked about a lot of the ending as well. But one of the...
the best things that Joe Stefano writer from psycho brought to it was the watermelon in the back of the car scene. I don't think that existed until he got a hold of the script. Yeah. And that was really our first look at. some creature effects and it was really well done. I really liked the water. I liked the, the tentacles from the watermelon going.
into her like eye to ear skin and upper nose straight upper nose that was like under her skin you could see like the movement underneath her skin and like the I thought that was some of the best effects. I really enjoyed that. I think it was all shot in reverse.
reverse uh you know shot in reverse same with like when it when the thing gets the dog and everything like that yeah so he got the dog i know he got the dog but so yeah watermelon scene by joe stefano uh we really needed that for the pacing yeah yeah when you think about why something like that matters that's the first time you see the creature it's the first time it does anything yep and i remember looking at the clock
I noticed we were 30 minutes in. So you're at the end of act one. So like something's got to happen. And it was perfectly paced into the movie to occur when it did. It was cool.
small hole that it creates i didn't know i didn't list this as one of my two and now i know why it's a hole because it was a late ad to the script but no one mentions it again the police or like the doctor goes on about how oh there was a case 12 months ago that was very much like this one what about the car that was in the bog down the street
last night. Anyone going to say anything about that? Did anyone find that? Did a police officer find it? It was right down the road. Maybe no one found it. Maybe no one ever found it. That was it. The car sunk in the bog and no one ever saw it again. rest of the scientists even ever say where's what's her name she was heading to her parents house to bring for the anniversary party to bring that watermelon and then she crashes all the way maybe maybe they didn't expect her back well
Only a night has passed, though, so they just think she arrived there. That's true. Maybe it all happens fast enough. Yeah, the whole movie does take place over like two or three days. Oh, yeah, two or three days. It does make sense that that was a late ad. But it's still a good one because, again, pacing-wise, you really needed a big shocking moment there. You need some gore, some effects there. Something to come in.
Yeah, and they didn't fuck around with that scene either. That wasn't like the car accident looks really good. And we know you can do those for surprisingly cheap, but you still got to wreck a car. Yeah. Driving one into the water, that's quite a stunt. Actually, speaking of stunt, the stunt coordinator is the guy driving the car in the beginning. The car is into the house.
yeah so that was funny that was really that was what got me actually that that opening really drew me in like yeah feeling cadavers and stuff and when i saw that guy's car blow up in the house blow up i was like yeah that whole dead sequence must have cost more than all of night beast yeah like we're they're working with something here right they're on the road that that wasn't on the sound stage they went to a road
I'm like, oh, this movie's for real, this one. This is cool. Yeah, it was good, man. Well, they had a couple admitted. Actually, I don't even know if they did it on purpose, but they admitted after the fact that there are some nods to Alien with the goo dripping down off the...
the stairs I think it's not Brad it's the younger guy that I don't know if he's younger but the other scientist who's in the barn looking around and there's like dripping down the goo dripping down the ladder and stuff so that A little bit of a nod to Alien. Then, of course, at the end, the faux ending where the sink, yeah, the thing jumps out of the sink and attaches to her face. Yeah. But it's funny. They showed some stills of it.
And I didn't really notice this. If you look at the creature attached to her face, it looks like a total ball sack. It super did. It super did. It just looks like a scrotum on her. Like the main portion of the body just looks like a ball sack. That's great. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Scroat meal. Yeah. Scroat meal. it is i believe mike mccracken in that big ass creature suit with the head extending way farther past you know from his body so it was a large creature suit
that they built and was very uncomfortable and had to be in the whole time. But what an amazing feat. The suit was just pretty cool. I mean, I know it has that nostalgic 80s. creature face look yeah but it was the beady eyes and the long neck and the tentacles and they all talk about how when the head comes up onto the bending floor that that was straight out of jaws like jaws coming up on the boat Oh, yeah, and you see the wood that's, like, splintered and coming up. Yeah, it was good. So...
Well, yeah, I mean, that's pretty much all the notes I had. They wrapped it up pretty well at the end. Again, a lot of that was some of the sequences were shot after the fact to just add a little more oomph, a little more gore, a little more creature effects. And I guess we could talk about sort of the reception or just where it went. And we talked about that a little bit already, but it did have a...
like a small theatrical release. It played in some of the bigger ones and at least in LA, but I don't know that it made it much further out than some of these main cities. It really blew up on VHS is what happened and sort of. became like a little cult classic after that. And that's where they've, they've made a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah.
And now with the Synapse films doing the Blu-ray release and the whole 4K transfer and all that. I just noticed here, well, you guys probably know, David Newman, who is the composer, he's done a ton of... music, a ton of movies, composing movies. He has Academy Award for doing Anastasia. He wrote the music and everything for Anastasia. He did Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Mighty Ducks, Matilda.
he's a professor i mean he's done everything he's still doing he's he's working right now still so they talked about actually how he was he went to college with them too and they just used him because they knew him from college and Yeah, so they all came up together. Obviously, he went on to do greater things. That's crazy. 16 wins, 11 nominations. Not Academy Award, but he has one Academy Award nominee for Galaxy Quest. He was a nominee for Academy. Ice Age, Anastasia. Someone coming to get...
Someone coming to get someone. I thought I heard sirens. It's time guys. I need to go. Unfortunately. Hey, no worries, man. We're done. One thing I was going to tell, I could tell you, we could talk about this later, but in the, what did you. watched segment i watched a movie called mads on uh on shut on shutter i think and it truly is a horror film truly shot in one take
Really? Yeah. And we talk more about it at some point, but you should watch it. It's like they did. They set it up where they just did the same. They did five days of shooting, but each five days was the one take. Just over and over again. Over and over. He is the fifth day, is the fifth take. And it's a sort of zombie-esque film, reminds me of 28 Days Later. uh not low not super low budget by any means they follow them in cars there's some effects there's
That sounds awesome. It's in French subtitles though. It's a French film, but check it out. I don't really have to go. The police have nothing on me. Yeah. Well, we don't want to keep you up. I got you. They came from my fault. Fall guy. They're arresting the fall guy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The fall guy. I still need to watch that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So what did you watch? That one was awesome. What did you watch? What did you watch? So that one.
You guys should all check it out. I think it's on Shudder. Yeah, they shot it for over five days. So you guys should check it out. I watched that. It was good. But I actually watched some other stuff. I got caught up on some horror. I watched Long Legs last night, finally, which I haven't seen yet. How was that? I thought it was pretty good. It was good. Yeah, it was good. I thought the story might be a little more original than...
than it ended up being. But it was still pretty good. Have you watched it, Carmelo? I have not. Everyone keeps telling me to see it. I'll watch it for the next episode. Yeah, it was good.
Like, Nicolas Cage does an amazing job. He's not in it a whole lot, but what he does is awesome. Micah Monroe does awesome as well. But I just thought – I don't know what it's – creepy but it's like the serial killer type thing like if you're watching seven or something like that like it's creepy in that way it's not like
horror scare me creepy you know what i mean but like sounds of labs kind of yeah yeah yeah and the uh but i just thought it would you know it's getting a lot of accolades and it's like a neon film and so i thought but i just there was some originality about it but i thought it would be a little more original that's all it was pretty good um i watched the substance too finally gotta see that which was pretty fucking awesome it's uh
I guess, you know, Neon made that too, which is sort of like another A24, which they're just on fire. So their substance was really good. It does have a crazy ass ending. This is Debbie Moore.
right demi moore um yeah margaret quality um dennis quaid dennis quaid does awesome yeah it's a good movie so check that out and then i watched um else i watched some random ones i watched one called caveat that was on shutter that was okay and i think there might have even been a couple others but i was just sort of fans been reading this fucking book that liz is probably reading too oh yeah yep it's so she's listening to the yeah she's listening to yeah they're all part of the onyx storm the
I don't even know what the first two books are called. Fourth Wing. Fourth Wing is the whole rage. Rebecca Yaros. Rebecca Yaros is the... author and she that's all over the place it's it's all over the place right now is this more sexy fiction is this our next a little bit yes it's a little bit sexy fiction but it involves like dragons it's kind of like a hunger games thing kind of okay
Yeah, all the girls are going nuts and their whole friend group is reading it. And so she's a slow reader and it felt like she had to really read to keep up with so they could talk about it. So for the last week and a half, all nights where we would maybe watch something together, she's just been reading that book. Really? I'm like, all right, whatever. I'll just watch a horror movie. Hell yeah.
So I've just been watching, catching up on some movies and stuff over the last week. But yeah, I'll check out the substance in those ones. Yeah. Yeah, what'd you watch? I didn't watch really anything. I actually started watching this show called The Perfect Couple with Liz that's actually a thriller, Murder... murder story and stuff. I'm reading that audiobook right now. It's good. Nicole Kidman and Liev Schreiber is in it. They're both a husband and wife.
A good set of teenage, well, I guess maybe their 20s, but of younger actors. What's her name's in it? Dakota Fanning's in it. But it's good. It's definitely high octane right out of the gate. Other than that, nothing really. Wait, what did I read? I watched Black Adam on the airplane from Florida back. It was good. I thought it was good.
It's definitely full action. It's been a while since I watched it, so I don't remember it. I meant to watch it when it first came out, but I finally watched that. So, yeah, that's about it. Okay. um you watch anything man i didn't watch shit i uh yeah i i think i've been watching a little more maybe tv i've been yeah season 35 of the simpsons just dropped on disney plus oh nice um and um
Curb Your Enthusiasm. I'm working my way through it. I want to watch that. I want to take your time. I'm going to watch Suits next, though, because they're bringing a spinoff back, and everyone loves it, so I'm going to watch Suits, I think. You name some of the horror movies that are high on my list to go see. But I want to go to the theater and see Wolfman. I want to go see Hard Eyes.
and i want to go see uh the presence did you hear about the presence i did uh yeah it's like film from the is that the one from the ghost's perspective whatever yeah i want to see like david co-op who wrote spider-man but he also wrote Stir of Echoes. Oh, I did watch Stir of Echoes. I watched Stir of Echoes. I did my homework. I'm fucking ready. I'll watch it for sure. You probably mentioned we watched Nosferatu.
Yeah, we talked about that a couple weeks ago. That was good. Yeah, it was beautiful. Yeah, it was great. I forgot a couple. I did watch one or two more episodes of Creepshow. I've been creeping along on that. Creeping along. Finally. Then I watched a random... Liam Neeson movie called In the Land of Saints and Sinners. It's not a horror movie by any means, but it was all right. He's still doing his thing. It was a Liam Neeson movie. Being Irish. Yeah, it is an Irish film. It has the guy...
I forgot his name. Siren Hines or something. Oh, I like him. Yeah, he was in the Terror that I watched. I told you to watch, Scotty. Yeah, I need to watch that still. yeah he's in rings of power as well just a few coming up but he's a lot of old stuff too so nice there's one other thing i listened to that's somewhat it was a performance I listened to an audio dramatization of 1984. And the reason I bring it up is because it wasn't an audio book where they just read you the book start to finish.
they read you the dialogue they filled in with sound effects and music and he made it like a like an old school radio performance and andrew garfield was the lead and tom hardy plays big brother oh really like it was the cat was legit and it was very very good if you if you have audible it's included in audibles oh okay yeah they're included library and it was a three-hour like a bridged audio
performance of the book very cool and they did they do all the voices like tom hardy and andrew garfield yeah yeah a couple other names that are escaping me at the moment but i'll do that recently yeah it looked Like it was in the last couple of years they did. Okay. It looked like it might have been a COVID thing. Like maybe they were like, no one can act. I've never read that book either. So I'll have to. This would be a good introduction to it. The books, you know, if you.
can get into the political philosophy of it. It really is a great read, but parts can be dense and it's a bit long. And, and so this is a great way to like become familiar with it.
If you did ever want to read it, I would just say read Animal Farm first because it covers the same theories. It's just like a tenth of the length. It's a lot more... allegoricals was more fun to read 1984 is depressing as fuck it is so fucking depressing and I read it when I was 15 I'm going to say a spoiler now so I'm sorry if you want to read the audiobook cover yours
I read it when I was 15, and the whole time I'm reading it, I was like, okay, where's the part where he escapes and assassinates Big Brother and takes down the evil government? And it didn't happen. It turned out to me character is a shrimpy British guy, not Arnold Schwarzenegger. And if you want to see. what that would be like you should go watch equilibrium one of the movies oh yeah i love equilibrium that movie is 1984 with guns and so it's a lot more exciting yeah depressing as fuck but
Seriously, Andrew Garfield is awesome. I'm due for an equilibrium rewatch. I'm due for a rewatch of Christian Bale slicing Taye Diggs' head right now. That movie actually has Taye Diggs' head.
yeah yeah exactly oh my gosh yeah that movie's got some lines in there man that i i quote myself every day you know dude william william fikner yeah yeah it's a heavy price i pay oh yeah like that's so fucking hard yeah i gotta watch your fucking line the whole movie and then i'm sorry i'll let you in the episode my favorite fucking line in the whole movie is And now we've arrested you all entirely without incident. No.
Not without it. It starts freaking just destroying. That was one of my earliest bail movies besides American psycho. Uh, Yeah. And I was, that, that was a moment when I was all about, I mean, I'm still all about bail, but I was like, yes, yes. Oh my God. I made a toy from the movie. I made the action figure. Oh, you did. Oh, that's so cool. That's so cool.
yeah i'm surprised they never i guess what what would you sequel it with but i'm surprised they never like took it on i don't know yeah this is so good yeah that was a good one but All right. Well, cool. That covers us. Yeah. Keep an ear out for stir of echoes. We usually been doing these every two weeks. So, you know, more weeks.
I think it might be Valentine's Day, which might get in the way, but we'll see what happens. Well, Valentine's Day is a Friday, I think. Yeah, you're right. So I don't think it should. We've been recording Sundays, so we'll see what happens. All right, guys, thanks for joining us. Please rate and review us wherever you listen, but Apple Podcasts, I think, is the main place. That'd be great. And tell everyone, give Rob shit.
We're going to put a letter writing campaign. Yeah, we should do that. Yes. All right, we'll talk to you guys next time. All right, guys. Later. Don't you blame the movies! Movies don't create psychos! Movies make psychos more creative! There will be blood.