Welcome to the cult classic horror show. conversations you've always wanted to have about the films you love. Shut up! Get rid of your distractions. And prepare yourself. You got a big surprise coming to you. You're not going anywhere. Welcome, welcome, everybody, to the Cult Classic Horror Show. Danny Bonin here with you guys. Scotty Bonin with you guys. We are the Brotherhood Brothers. And Carmelo Chimera. Yeah. No, we gave Rob the chance. He's not here.
We actually waited 45 minutes. We waited 45 minutes. We talked some film and stuff, and he didn't make it. We have been bullshitting for 45 minutes to see if Rob would show up, and it just hasn't happened. We're just... Everyone listening that... that just go give Rob a bunch of shit. Be like, dude. Get on the podcast. Yeah, seriously. I know he's on the road working sometimes in Tallahassee, back and forth between Bradenton. We chose this recording night and time to cater to him.
It hasn't quite worked yet, I guess. Yeah. But here we are. Nevertheless, we took December off. We had a lot of holidays. Yeah, it was busy, busy, busy. We didn't really mean to. It just sort of happened. Yeah. It's hard to get in. Maybe this year we should pre-record a Christmas episode. Yeah. We've done a Christmas horror movie. For a few years there, we would...
or maybe it was only a couple years, but we would only do Christmas-related horror movies during the holidays. And I feel like we sort of... Got the main ones already. We did Krampus. Yeah, we did. Krampus, Black Christmas, Jack Frost. I mean, we did Silent Night, Deadly Night. We even did Violet Night last year. Yeah.
I'm sure there's more. I'm sure you guys can come up with some more suggestions to give us. Yeah, it was good. We're older now. We all have kids. We all have families. We had to... Be Santa. I hope you're a baby now. We have babies. We're all dads now, man. Yeah. Swamp. We're not just dads. We're daddies. We're daddies. That's right. My kids call me daddy still. We are daddies. And my wife. You have little kids.
Strong daddy energy. Or wives call it daddy, too. You know, I had to eat half the cookie on Christmas Eve. That's right. You're doing your part. There you go. Carmelo, was this your first year being Santa Claus? No, it is not. deal with how Santa Claus is. I could have showed up as Jason Voorhees in a Santa hat. That's true. That's true. You'll get there here in a couple years. Eating the cookies, leaving the carrots out, and all that.
Bullshit. To lose weight and get in shape and I'm going to have to gain it all back to play Santa Claus. Yeah, I know, man. You got the reindeer food with the oats and stuff that we sprinkled out. Oh, nice. I like that. Shannon made us do Elf on the Shelf for the kids. I never grew up doing Elf on the Shelf. And now...
Now it's a thing, and she has to rush down most mornings because she forgets what the fuck she's doing and has to... you know there's so much extra stress it is it's crazy oh i thought there's elf on the shelf there's like the snoop on the stoop where it's like snoop dog holding a joint and he's like a christmas snoop dog and that's yeah rudy does that our drummer
Our cousin Casey does it too. I don't think I want to dwell on the show. I'll tell you what, one year my parents got real clever and they did somehow created something that looked like reindeer hoof prints on our kitchen floor, which in hindsight, I didn't know what the... hella reindeer footprint looked like so like it could have just been the dog but that definitely made me believe in santa claus why was the reindeer inside i don't know there was no plausible but it was there
And I was like, you know what? I think there's something to this Santa Claus business. I think it brought an extra year or two. It really did. All right. All right. Scotty, your mic is muted for some reason. I don't know what you did there. Oh, no, Scotty. There it is. All right. Hotty, Scotty. All right. Well, I want to say that the elf of the shell.
painted my toenails when i was sleeping i i have green toenails still oh he's showing us if you're watching on youtube we can't really see them but yeah they're right oh you can't see Wow, he does. In fact, and your story as an elf did that to you, right? Well, you're not coming through again now. He's not muted, but I can't hear him. No, I can't hear you either, Scotty. I'm not sure what's... When you lifted your foot up over the desk, I wonder if you... Ah, no, it muted itself again. Yeah.
This is very, there's medication for this folks. Don't worry. I'm so sorry. You guys. Okay. No worries. All right. Well, we are actually here to cover, to talk about a film. One of my childhood favorites. Oh yeah. from dusk till dawn yeah and rob was complaining that we were covering it which so good after re-watching it should be right up this wheelhouse like what the fuck
Oh, he's just lying. It's one of the best, man. It's one of the best 90s movies of all time. This is one that I saw at a young age, probably, I don't know, not too young, maybe 13.
12 to 14, somewhere in there. We have the DVD. We have the DVD. I do have the DVD. And it just, I remember... thinking how badass george clooney was in this movie when i watched it as a teenager oh my god and then this is the first time i was introduced to quentin tarantino it was like oh it's the guy from from dusk till dawn you know and we had already scotty and i had just
had already gone through, not a phase, but had seen a lot of the Cheech and Chong movies where, I don't know if Big Scott was showing them to us or what, but we were just up in smoke, still smoking. So then to see Cheech Marin and... It was just I just this was just one of those movies along with Evil Dead was earlier the franchise, but this was still in there in burned in my childhood memory from Dusk Till Dawn.
we were like 11, 12 when it came out or whatever. And it was just one of those bad-ass movies that we saw. And my God, it's still the neck tattoo and the, you know, the tribal tattoo and just the freaking. the freaking vulgarity and rebelness of these two guys going crazy yeah when did you carmelo have you did you see this early on or when's the first time you Fairly. So I saw it in high school, but remember, I'm a couple years behind you guys. So I remember being...
like 10 to 12, maybe, maybe even a little younger. And my cousins were all about this movie. Right. So maybe I was like, maybe I was like eight or nine and, and it had been out a few years at that point. And my cool older cousins, they were the ones who were like, oh, yeah, this is the movie. Of course, I wanted to be like them, so I wanted to see this movie. Yeah, of course.
And of course, there was no way Stacey Chimera was going to let me watch this movie. Dude, this is brutal, man. This movie was brutal back in 96. It was. And I mean, it's like... It's not just brutal. It's gory. There's nudity. I mean, this movie's got everything. I had my daughter watching this. There's a lot of bad language words.
So then I, you know, I got to like high school. I was like, had my horror, my personal horror renaissance and I watched this then. So I, so I did see this fairly young. It was probably about, I don't know, six or seven years after the movie came out.
But I love this fucking movie. I cannot overstate how much I love this movie. It is fun. It is badass. It's fucking good, man. I mean, if you could put on my tombstone a... holy motherfucking servant of god i would just be peaches and cream that would just be fantastic if we could uh lovely i actually watched it with commentary yesterday and I just went straight for the commentary because I've probably seen this movie 10, 12 times back in the day. Sure.
But I haven't revisited it in a long time. And while watching it with commentary, it just made me like, oh, I actually just really just want to watch. Yeah. Oh, I can hear everything. So many. But yeah. It's so good. But you didn't watch it. You just watched the commentary. I didn't. I still want to know that one.
I got plenty of info for you guys. I watched that commentary. I watched Full Tilt Boogie, which is the documentary on it I watched. So, yeah, there's a lot of stuff we're going to go over. But, yeah, I need to re-watch it just for pleasure again. That's why I love this podcast. It always... pleasures me. You know, to revisit my favorite movies. I'm sorry. Sex Machine, baby. Yeah, Sex Machine. We met Sex Machine. We met Sex Machine. We did. A couple months ago. We did, and it was very...
Anti, like, not the meeting and conversation, but we walk into a convention center room on, like, the bottom floor. and just happened to turn the corner, and then Tom Savini's just sitting by himself in a corner behind the table. It was a little depressing. People had just left him, and he does these conventions every fucking week, man. I mean, I was like, what the fuck? Tom Savini's just sitting here looking all tired by himself. What the fuck?
Right, right. I know what you mean. I feel like he should have been more venerated. Yeah, there should have been a stage he was sitting on or a line or a crowd of people around him at all times or something, you know? Yeah. But he's been in the circuit, man. And I wish we would have said more to him. I almost was starstruck because I just love him so much.
I wish we would have stopped and talked to him more, but we just shook his hand and said hi and said, hey, man, I love you. You're great work. But I wish I would have talked to him about From Dusk Till Dawn. Well, and it's also awkward when he's sitting there and you're... You want to have a conversation with them, but also there's like a sheet of paper in front of them that's like one picture, $50, like this, this much money, this much money. And so you feel like...
By sitting there talking, you're almost obligated to pay him for something. Right. Which maybe is worth the conversation. I think it would have been. I know what you mean. It's a bit awkward. I did ask him. Didn't I ask him about the... The gun, the dick gun. You may have. Yeah, I asked him. He said he has it. Oh, yeah. He's got it. Yeah, well, the dick gun was also used in Dawn of the Dead, I believe, right?
I think there was a version of the dick gun in Dawn of the Dead as well as... Shit, maybe. Maybe look that up. I swear they mentioned that. What's funny, I didn't really write this in my notes, but I remembered it from hearing it, is that... We're talking about Tom Savini and a convention and stuff. And I'll talk more about conventions surrounding this film. But Tarantino specifically said when they were casting for this film, they had these awesome people.
that you just cannot convey to a Hollywood sales company what their worth is. You know what I mean? It's like you cannot convince Miramax, who made this film, the worth of tom savini because in their eyes he's not worth a dime but it's like yeah to the horror community and fangoria at the time and the convention goers and same with uh you know uh williamson who's in the film and it's just like
These guys are gold. And I think that's still the case because when you – and the products we try to work on with some of the bigger names, the people that are driving sales value are exclusively – White males ages 25 to 65, maybe. Yeah. Who. have previously been in a motion picture that made money yeah like it's that it's that simple have they been in a movie did the movie make money it doesn't even matter if they're like has-beens or never worse or if they suck
All that matters is like financial track record, which, you know, anyone who invests will tell you past performance is not a indicator of future results. Yeah. But they're not thinking about it from a genre perspective because. Like you said, with all these people in a horror movie, that draws a lot of water, right? Like Tom Savini in the next big romantic comedy, nobody cares.
Tom Savini and horror movie, and people will watch it. Lots of us will watch it. Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. Well, why don't we, if it's been a minute since you have watched From Dusk Till Dawn, I think Carmelo can give us a little... Quick synopsis here. Happy to do that. In From Dusk Till Dawn, it weirdly feels like two movies. And I think it is, right? It was directed in halves. It's about two outlaw brothers, Seth and Richie.
who are on the run after a crime spree. They kidnap a family, a kind of disillusioned preacher and his daughter and son. and and use them to get over the border to mexico they're going to go meet up with the contact and get their like fake identities and disappear um and it's very tense and there's a lot of drama and you know, Tarantino's character is kind of a pedo and he's really into feet and he's really into the girl and it's just all very kind of weird. And he's, you know,
It's very serious drama. Oh, and then they get to the bar and it's full of fucking vampires. And then they spend the night killing vampires and Selma Hayek is there and she has a big snake around her shoulders. And then they put holy waters into squirt guns. And it just... absolute carnage and mayhem ensues until, until finally just George Clooney and Julia Lewis are the only two who emerge and just kind of walk away from this bar in the middle of nowhere, which.
May or may not be on top of some kind of Aztec ruins or something like that. Yeah. You know, kind of haunted. So yeah. So this movie just goes from this like tense crime drama, kidnapping thing to just the. wildest fucking time in the old west yes yes uh yeah so good scotty you're muted again i don't know how to not keep doing that but uh anyways Maybe he's leaning onto the space bar. Every time I touch it, I can't touch my cord. I think you're not coming through your mic now, just so you know.
Yeah, we gotta get you a new cord like I got here. Yeah, some kind of adapter cord setup or something. This is so fucked up, man. I swear we're a professional podcast. Right. I'm so sorry, you guys. God damn it.
I'm taking hooking up my mic before I even log on because the first thing Danny's going to say to me after hello is... you're coming through your laptop it's just a habit it's like oh oh hey how's it going oh you're not coming through your mic but like thank god someone's on that so uh we'll buy scotty some time there what do you think synopsis well whatever no
I mean, if you can fix it, do it, but I don't know if you have any numbers on this. I could do it without the fucking stupid mic, but here, I'll give you some numbers if you guys can hear me really badly. Yeah, I can hear your echoey voice. Okay, there we go. That's really cool. Well, From Dusk for Dawn was released on January 19th, 1996 with a budget. Of $19 million. But it did well. The first week, the film grossed $10.2 million in the U.S., making it the highest-grossing film of that week.
The next week, the film fell third highest in the box office, where it grossed $4.8 million, being beaten out by Mr. Holland's opus and Bed of Roses. But from Dusk to Don, it grossed... 25.8 million in the u.s overall and 33.5 internationally for a worldwide gross of 59.3 million um against a 19 million dollar budget okay all right
I mean, it's profitable. And I'm sure with video sales and stuff over the years, it's more than made up for it all. It's just that Hollywood wants to 10X everything. Yeah.
Well, so this was coming off the back of Pulp Fiction, really. And this was the first time that either Robert Rodriguez or Quentin Tarantino were... given any amount of money to work with and they were just both sort of like uh what the fuck do we do like let's let's uh let's do this and that uh it's funny because yeah so quentin had just released Pulp Fiction. I actually think he was on the film festival circuit with it at this point. Of course, Robert Rodriguez had done Desperado.
He had done El Mariachi before that. So they both had a fan following. Quentin Tarantino, though, was blowing up at this time. And so it really was the perfect storm to get them together. Quentin talked about how... So the script was written before Pulp Fiction. It was written many years before. And it had always been one of his little favorite scripts that he'd written. Always meant to be drive-in, exploitation film.
Just a fun, you know, balls to the wall, nice little horror film. But he never really had the motivation to completely take it on and do it himself, just to make the whole thing. And he didn't really expand on why that is. I don't know if he thought there wasn't a huge market for it or wouldn't get him where he wanted to be. But nevertheless, he just wasn't motivated to do the whole thing by himself.
While doing a couple cons and festivals for Pulp Fiction, he had talked with Robert Rodriguez and they had done a, I think it was... Dude, I'm blank. What do you call it when it's like many films in one? Anthology. Anthology, yeah. I think they had done an anthology called Four Rooms together where he had directed a segment, Tarantino directed a segment, Robert Rodriguez. So they had talked on that set.
The script had already been sent around and people had read it. Someone had optioned it for a while and then it had become available again. And then someone else had it and was... asking quentin like hey what is it going to take to actually get this thing made and quentin said look if you if you talk to robert rodriguez and he wants to do it then i'd probably be cool with that and and because i know i'll be pretty involved and so him and robert rodriguez
were talking to each other on this anthology they were doing. And yeah, they were sort of... on break time just sort of oh are you gonna do it are you gonna do it if you do it i'll do it if you do it i'll do it and it became this like look they were both about to take the whole summer off and just relax and
But the money was there, the interest was there, and they're like, look, if we're going to do it, we have to just do it right now. Our lives are going to change for the rest of this year. We just have to do it. And they both sort of just agreed, like, fuck it. Let's do it. And you have to... imagine at this time they were both I mean you watch these interviews with them they're probably in their early 30s or something yeah this is like 94 95
i mean robert rodriguez looks like a fucking teenager you know what i mean he's i mean when he did el mariachi i think he was in his he was like 21 years old or something or something and then Desperado, not too far after. And then this came not too long after that. So it's these young guys that are here to do it. And after Pulp Fiction, they were given all this money by Miramax to just get it done.
That also was paramount to basically getting Clooney involved because he was in ER at the time, of course. This is his most famous thing. Clooney was in ER. He's a huge TV guy. Right. I didn't quite 100% fact check this, but I believe this was his first movie. This was George Clooney's first movie. That's what it was said a few different times. Aside from...
ER, he was in ER. Yeah, he's a TV guy. Film. Yeah, feature-length film. So at the time, while doing ER, they were fielding... movie offers for him but they were like fourth third fourth fifth leads in these movies and he just wasn't really psyched about taking them um and he was on this brief hiatus from er and um
Quentin and Robert Rodriguez talked about how they were really going back and forth on who should play this lead role. And one would come up with an idea, and the other would shoot it down, and vice versa, and they just weren't agreeing on anyone. They said they were driving the car one day, and it's just like, hey, Apple, what do you think about George Clooney? I doubt we could get him, but what do you think about George Clooney?
And they were both sort of like, but then Quentin Tarantino like meta, like he was in a direct. Well, yeah, yeah. Getting there. So I could see it. I could see it. Like, so they both sort of agreed on Clooney. And then they, they somehow knew that he had this hiatus coming up from ER. a very short hiatus and wouldn't be busy uh and also providentially quentin tarantino was about to guest direct an episode of er uh so he
Brought it up to Clooney while guest directing and Clooney was like all about it. He's vampire movies. Yeah. I mean, leading role, probably leading role in a Tarantino film after Pulp Fiction had just blown up. Right. So. And then they talked about how he was fielding a couple of roles. For instance, one role where they were offering him the fourth lead in a film. And as soon as he accepted the lead in Tarantino's film, like that offer got bumped up to lead, you know?
This sort of started off his leading man film career after this funny thing, like from dusk till dawn started off. I'm looking at his IMDb. It says TV series, TV series, TV movie. Yeah, they were all TV movies and shit. Some no-name movie, TV movie, TV series, TV movie. And then there's... a tv movie and it goes all the way up to 95 yeah and tv series and then from dusk till dawn is like the first like big movie that i noticed so i think that sounds right so yeah so they got him i mean it was
Most actors, they said they were talking to actors and needing to film this immediately. They were talking in December, and they wanted to start filming in April or something. And... So when talking to these name actors, most of them are like, oh, I'd love to do it. I'm available in next November. And they're like, well, sorry, we can't wait for you. We got to do it now.
And Clooney happened to be available because of this ER hiatus. So what's even funny is during some of these interviews, I watched Quentin Tarantino. He's so energetic and he's so, he's so bubbly, you know, and he's wearing.
a fucking like high school letterman jacket with the er logo on it they must have given it to him when he guest directed it oh my god er on one side If you ever get the chance to listen to interviews with Tarantino, which, of course, Danny has gotten to do for this, he knows... so much about movies. It is incredible. When you hear him, whether you like his style or don't like his style, when you listen to him talk, you know that he knows his shit about movies.
and it was very movies he's like a genius well and that's why him and Robert Rodriguez instantly clicked because they're almost both the exact same way Robert Rodriguez and him share the same passion for the same obscure movies over the years. They've all seen the same movies. They oftentimes would just go to each other's houses and watch movies together around this time.
So that's awesome. Yeah. Very different personalities. Of course, Robert Rodriguez is very easygoing and a slower talker. Quentin Tarantino is very energetic, but. but they work so well together. And the reason that Quentin would do it with Rodriguez and the more I think about it, the more I hear the interviews and the more that I think about like Desperado and then think about from dusk till dawn, the more it makes sense.
Quentin Tarantino's script for this film, and this is what he said, this is why he wasn't anxious to get it made by anyone other than him, it has the opportunity to go so bad. Like it could have been made so wrong. It could have been, it could have been just cheesy and terrible. Yeah. And so he didn't really, wasn't anxious to get it made. But as soon as Robert Rodriguez was on the table, it's like, oh, he.
he like gets me and he gets what needs to be done and he gets how this needs to be made. And there's some great examples that I'll bring up where even Robert Rodriguez was like, I didn't really understand what was supposed to happen here in the script until. clinton like walked me through it you know yeah yeah like like one that he was on set that day like yeah and i'm surprised they didn't get
I'm surprised it went as smooth as it did watching some of the documentary and the behind the scenes footage, because there was a lot of Clinton in Robert Rodriguez's ear, even though he's just the writer and he's just an actor in it. You know what I mean? Well, I think that speaks to their relationship and their friendship.
Because, you know, that kind of a shorthand, that kind of a feedback between writer and director there, like that only exists because of, I think, their personal relationship. Just imagine a different scenario with a writer who did not know the director, arm wrestling with the director and telling him, no, no, no, do it like this. When else would that ever have worked? Yeah.
And the respect's there because Tarantino was now a blowing up director, you know? Right. So he knew his shit, right? And they knew each other's filming styles. And so... Uh, and I'll talk about it some more in the notes here, but yeah, there was some shots that Robert Rodriguez did in a certain way, in a certain style on purpose, because that's how he thinks Tarantino would have done it. And.
Same thing. Tarantino wrote a couple things a certain way because he's like, this is probably how Robert Rodriguez would do it, and he's the one doing it. There was a whole script rewrite that happened after the...
film became pretty much green-lighted. And as they got to know, they were working with some more of these actors and stuff like that. And as the relationship between Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino... was solidifying and things were playing out so that's the the beauty i guess of having quentin tarantino involved in the movie like as an actor and on set and producing and as the writer is that he can rewrite on the fly yeah so
Did he write himself into the movie or was like Robert Rodriguez like, hey, you should be Richie. You should be. Well, no. Well, let's get into it. So basically, and I think that actually is. early on in my notes here, but we can start with that. When he wrote the script, the character of Richie was a lot more up front, is the way he put it. Up front, relevant.
more dialogue uh a lot of the zingers were him saying them a lot of it was it was not so much seth all the time um and then when it was like oh quentin's gonna be playing richie and Robert Rodriguez wanted I think they said the first person they cast was Quentin Tarantino as Richie and the second was Michael Parks as the sheriff so it's basically Michael Parks is great
Once Tarantino was like, oh, I'm playing Richie. Okay. Like, I see myself like this, this and that. And he actually... brought it back a ton and gave way more to the to seth to cluny's character and of course knowing that now cluny's gonna step in and play uh but he was like he took a closer look at the character and was like look he's sort of this fucked up guy that
probably wouldn't be talking a whole lot and wouldn't be saying all these jokes and things like that you know right right yeah so a lot of oh my god and he just as an example like in the opening scene which is actually tarantino and it's their favorite scene of the whole movie is the opening scene the whole the first sequence is a like 11 minute sequence it's um it's not i mean there's some cuts and it's not a straight shot but that whole sequence takes about 11 minutes and, uh,
It's like that scene, and there's one other scene that they're like, this is the reason Robert Rodriguez is like, this is the reason I wanted to make this movie. It's because it had this scene, this opening scene, and then this other scene. Yeah, exactly. like oh my god just the whole play of it's opening it's this calm thing you don't know there's any robbers till he like goes to take a piss right right so it's sort of brilliant but
So yeah, he rewrote it. He wrote himself more in the background to make his character not quite as big. So yeah, and I think that was smart because I think it ended up being, he became more of the weird, mentally disturbed. silent type they would just kill people on the fly just kill the hostage kills the fucking gas station clerk with with which john hawks was awesome as the as the liquor store clerk yeah oh my god yeah he's just a firecracker you can't control him
So Michael Parks was like a must-have for Quentin Tarantino as the sheriff in this opening. He's an old-timey actor. Oh, from all the Halloweens. Yeah. That was John Saxon. Sorry. Saxon is from Nightmare on Elm Street. Yeah, that's right. We'll get to Saxon too in a minute here. But Michael Parks...
all-time actor. That's also why I respect Quentin Tarantino. I gained a little more respect for him after going through all this because he has these obscure actors that he loves their catalog of work. and knows so much about and he he deliberately chooses and knows so much about even the tiniest actors in his movies it's like wow
It's just cool. It's like, oh, wow. Like Carmelo said, he knows fucking everything. I don't even know the names or recognize some of these actors, but he's like, oh, and... you're watching the commentary and he's like, Oh, there's so-and-so they were great. And like this movie and that movie. And I just had to have them and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, really?
I think that's so cool because like, that's like the dream when you're directing is to be like, yeah, I liked that guy from that episode of that show. I really want to put him in it because he was really cool. I've got a Rolodex like that, but nothing compares to Tarantino's encyclopedic knowledge.
of film and of these actors and of where they've come from. There's so many in this. You get like Kelly Preston as like the newscaster. I mean, Tom Savini, Cheech Marin, Danny Trejo, Selma Hayek. Like, holy shit, man. We got to talk about Selma Hayek, but let's let Danny go. We will. We will. So back to Michael Parks. He was a must-have for Clint Tarantino. He quoted him. He said he's one of my most favorite actors.
So they put him as the sheriff. And this is another example of the script not being understood by Robert Rodriguez until Tarantino told him who he would cast and how it would go. Because if you watch the scene... Michael Parks has a very specific way that he acts it and delivers these lines very slowly and very drawn out. Sure. And I haven't seen a lot of his work, but I guess that's how he is in all his movies.
When you first read this opening sequence, like Robert Rodriguez probably did on the page, on the script, he read these lines very quickly and just as a normal conversation. It didn't really spark anything in him. He's like, I don't really know what he's doing here and I don't know what he's trying to do with these lines. But as soon as he's like, no, I want Michael Parks in this role and I want him to deliver it the way he does this. And then you start to like...
read it in that way you're like oh okay like this is a this is turning into a different scene you know right right yeah and then that's exactly how he delivered it it's very slow very drawn out very you know unique like get him out of that damn store you have killed is there fuck yeah but that's why it's so intense well then you can imagine how tense seth and richie and their hostage are in the back while the sheriff's drawing out his fucking sentence isn't taking forever yeah
Oh, yeah. To talk to this clerk. You don't know until he goes to the bathroom. And then during that time, you're like, oh, shit. But again, this is like Robert Rodriguez's favorite scene. He said that.
he was behind the camera uh and he'll do the camera work on a lot of on a lot of these shots but he was almost laughing the whole time through it and so the camera would shake every now and then they'd have to like do it again he was just laughing the whole time so that's yeah um but yeah so then the clerk is yet again john hawks uh another guy that clinton has worked with loves loves his work
But actually, John Hawks was the backup for Steve Buscemi in Desperado. So Robert Rodriguez was familiar with him. Oh, okay. and they actually asked Buscemi to play this part before John Hawks, and he wasn't available at the time. So that was supposed to be a Buscemi role. Yeah. Got it. Couldn't do it. I didn't single him. God damn it. And you feel for the guy. You don't see any kind of signaling. I told him to say, help me. I didn't say, help me.
oh my god uh and then what's funny is about so when all that shit goes down and the action starts there um it seems the way it's shot there the two brothers are supposedly in a different aisle and they're yelling to each other you know yeah when in reality they're actually in the same aisle like almost right next to each other and quentin said that he was a little bit peeved when they arrived on set because the art department and the production designer that put the set together
it's like he walked in there's like one rack of food there's like one aisle and he's like i this does not work for the way i wrote it like i just i wrote in a liquor store thinking it would look like every other liquor store i've ever been to in my life this one just has one fucking aisle yeah i need cheetos i need like convenience store candy bars oh my god he's like so
we cut it so that it looks fine, but they're actually just sitting in the same aisle. And then when they come out of the aisle and they're like, he's on fire, they're shooting. you can't if you look behind them there's just one shelf and it looks like they both came from the same aisle so now that i know that i'm gonna watch it again and look for that l-shaped refrigerator that hides them the best the the the
The liquor refrigerator, the beer refrigerator. Yeah. And they said that the popcorn popping gag was sort of something cool that Robert Rodriguez thought of because in the script, it read real funny, but it wasn't funny on screen. It said in the script they were supposed to... the flaming man was supposed to tumble into a a rack of of twinkies you know yeah like demolished these twinkies but you just wouldn't see that on camera so right so they had this like popping popcorn in the
That's kind of a nice touch. That's a nice touch. Which was cool. I do love that. He shoots the liquor bottles out and Clooney kicks the shelf and the lighter fluid falls into his hands and he kicks it again and the toilet paper falls into his hands and it's perfectly timed out. Tarantino was real proud of this sequence. He thought it was a really good action sequence. It was great. It was awesome.
um they had to do the building exploding like three times they said um but that was due to fx problems not actor issues so uh and it was a little bit sketch they said the the guy the fx guy in there sort of wiring up all these bombs at one point said i'm i'm in here with you guys because You know, if it all goes down, I want to die with you and not just be out there, the guy that killed Clooney and Tarantino. There you go. They had no stunt doubles. They were in it. So they just walked out.
oh my god it worked but another this was another thing that was in the original script and then tarantino's like ah yeah we can just cut this out like because we don't have the budget you know like i i realized this probably won't make it in there but but then all of a sudden it's like miramax wants to release it and now they can spend money and he's like oh shit we're doing the blow up the building thing all right yeah i mean they had 19 million so that way they had some money to do it yeah
so you could buy and blow up a building for 19 million fair change damn right yeah um and then you know they so they they leave that they do the um
you see the woman in the back of their, their car in the trunk, right? Which they call, they call it Superman vision. It's like the old Superman vision where you see her through the, the trunk of the car as they're driving. I love that. We're like the cars driving it. Like, pushes the credits out of the way like the credits come yeah yeah and this whole sequence was added in was added in uh later after they
knew the movie was going to get made. They just started adding some things. Like a Chevy Cougar. I want them driving down the highway. It's got to be real dirty. They got to be drinking, taking pills and all this stuff. Jack Daniels, his hand has a hole in it from... shot they really wanted to set the tone for like this
Don't take it too seriously because this is an exploitation film. It's like a drive-in movie. And there's some over-the-top comedy to it. But also it's... it's good and and i suppose i'll get there but that's how they dodged a lot of the ratings board because the ratings board was like they set the tone correctly and they thought they're gonna have all these issues with ratings and they had none whatsoever because
Because they basically just set the expectations correctly. Instead of low, not thinking it was going to do anything. From the beginning, you knew this was like an exploitation drive-in gore fest. and uh they weren't a suspense action to begin with yeah yeah and and they made the vampire blood green they proactively did that well Well, you'll get to that, but the effects were just amazing in this. And the vampires, the way they looked, oh my god. Outstanding.
But it's actually funny, just this one shot, they call it the Superman vision, where you see the lady in the trunk because it's X-ray vision. And that was done on low budget, probably episodes of Superman back in the day and shit. Right, right. And they said they fired an effects guy. Because when they brought up that shot, he was like, oh, this is going to cost $20 million. We're going to have to computer regenerate. They were like, no, we've seen it done on these.
Great. Low budget, shitty movies. It's like, what are you talking about? No, you just superimpose the, you know. Yeah. That's so funny because we've experienced that exact. Problem. Yeah, the exact problem. Some people are like, man, it's going to cost $20 million. And some people are just like, it can't be that string in that can over there. I got an idea. Give me a Joe Castro. We're good to go. That's right. He's the man.
Well, another, they meet this hotel clerk, for just a second, this old guy. They call him Mean Old Bastard. And this actor's name is Mark. Mean Old Bastard, I just want a fucking room. This guy's name is Mark Lawrence. Again, another guy during commentary that Tarantino's like loved his work. He's so blah, blah. Like I had to have him. And he says like two lines, but they said there's a lot. There's like lost footage of him.
just going on and on and on in this scene but they didn't yeah because because cluny keeps ringing the bell ding ding ding what what do you want What a room, you mean old bastard. What a fucking room. And that was, I forgot who was watching it. Robert Rodriguez brought it up, but someone on the outside saw like a cut at first. It was just amazing. You used Michael Parks for 10 minutes and you used Mark Lawrence for two lines. It was like people that knew these actors. And then what's funny.
is the lady in the trunk who they end up bringing into the hotel room then her name's brenda hillhouse she's quentin's old acting teacher oh really that's funny from back in the day and they just talked about how they really wanted a real looking mom that they kidnapped you not some blonde bombshell not some whatever this was like making it real and then they followed it basically here with
what Quentin and Robert Rodriguez called the most quote-unquote real scene of the whole film is this conversation with this woman in the hotel room where she's bawling. She's basically crying.
you know right right and and they said this this was added in like after the fact too after they knew they were making the movie and they got closer to shooting it they wanted something they added this in and they wanted it to be like this grounding real moment where it's like hey this is exploitation film we are fucking around but like but we're also not fucking around like you know right right right this is like real
And yeah, it lands, man. Yeah. Yeah. So F's up again. He goes to get some George Clooney goes to Seth gets to get some burgers, comes back. invites her next to the bed and just she was gonna escape just blows her it's a fucking horror scene blood ever blood i love that shot it's like crazy of george cooney watching it and then he just like
The flashes of it. Yeah, it's great. And actually, this is one of the times that specifically Robert Rodriguez on purpose did a quote-unquote Clinton-style shot. where they're shooting through the door as she walks and goes and sits next to him on the bed. And... To the untrained eye, to me even, I didn't notice that, but apparently Quentin Tarantino likes to shoot through doorways a lot, and Robert Rodriguez would never shoot through a doorway.
He did it on purpose because he's working with Tarantino. Wow. Tarantino shot. Yeah. Just like a long shot. Yeah, I think the overall general feel is that Tarantino utilizes a lot of wide shots where a lot happens and he just stays on the wide, and Robert Rodriguez does not do that a lot.
i like a little bit mixture of both that's that's kind of nice yeah i noticed that until you mentioned it so obviously uh we now after this calamity we are introduced to the family to harvey keitel and juliet lewis and um you know all these to the family so The son, I forgot. Well, his name is Scott. But they had a lot of trouble at first seeing Harvey Keitel in the role because...
He's such a strong presence and usually plays strong characters. He had just done Reservoir Dogs with Tarantino before Pulp Fiction. Very strong character. And they just couldn't... really picture anyone dominating him physically and mentally in this film, which he does get dominated throughout most of all of it. So yeah, they weren't seeing it. But as they got Clooney on board, they were like, maybe Clooney can be the guy to do it. And it did end up...
working out. But yeah, Robert Rodriguez, he was nervous that Harvey would be too strong and too dominant. And Quentin even talked about he had to like psych himself up to go work.
and quote-unquote dominate Harvey Keitel in these scenes. And he said it was so bad to the point where he was resenting him as a person in his head because he was... trying to get so psyched up about it like oh well fuck harvey just thinks she's gonna come down here and like fucking just own the set and and what this is my movie like i and i'm gonna go in there yeah like and if he and if he tries to like
pull us aside and pull any shit like i'll put a real clip in that gun and like well and like i'll just fucking like tell him like this is loaded and you know oh my god like he said he was having to like psych himself up like To just work in front and dominate Harvey Keitel. Just because he was the big name. Yeah, exactly. And he's always played these strong gangster movie, strong characters. Yeah, totally.
He said, of course, on set, it was not like Harvey Keitel is such a professional. It's not a thing at all. But he just had to, in his head, get psyched up. And he said at one point that even... It's sort of funny. During filming, I think it was three days they worked on this hotel scene, this whole sequence where they're in the hotel room with Harvey Keitel. He said at one point he took Clooney into the bathroom in the hotel.
and had like a pal I was just saying like I think we got him like we're dominating him like we got him like like talking the way he explained it was talking as if it's him and Clooney overtaking Harvey and and it has nothing to do with the movie i think we fucking got him like i think we got him man we just got to keep it up we just got to keep the guns in his face we got to keep threatening his child
It's like, and Harvey Cattell probably the whole time was like, I don't care. I just want to make a movie with you guys. Not a big deal. Right. And he's like, are you guys done in the bathroom together? You guys done in there? What the hell's going on? Yeah. Yeah. Harvey Cattell is 85 years old now. Yeah. Crazy. He's still working. Yeah. So then we, uh, we do now we, we see John Saxon, I think for the first time after this, we see the newscast. Right. And, um,
They talk about these brothers that are gone, that are on the run. But yeah, they actually, they hadn't cast...
Saxon's role yet and they ran into John Saxon at a Fangoria convention while announcing this movie while announcing they're doing From Dusk Till Dawn oh that's cool yeah and I saw a little clip of that like they brought him out on stage in Fangoria convention they said here is Robert Rodriguez Quentin Tarantino and they're like yeah we're gonna be doing a movie next year sometime in the summer from dusk till dawn it'll be a horror film keep your eyes out for it and
I guess they met him at the convention and shook his hand and everything. And he just said coincidentally, Oh, Hey, if you ever need an FBI agent, like, let me know. Yeah. Like, You're like, we got it, Priya. Yep. He is like the quintessential FBI agent cop. He's picture perfect. That is awesome. Yeah, he's got cop written all over him.
Oh, he does. Yeah, he does. Which is why I don't care very much for his role in Nightmare on Elm Street 3, where he's kind of like a drunk, disgraced cop. I'm like, I don't like that. The has-been. I don't buy it. This man just... holds all of his feelings deep inside of him. Yeah. Takes them out on his small dog or wife, but doesn't ever.
You don't have to grade himself in that way. He's a true Burt Young. He's a true Burt Young. Or James Brolin. James Brolin took it out as well, too, right? In Amityville. yeah this guy thinks therapy is for you know the lgbt community only yeah this guy puts chains on his truck tires in july you know he's still doing it Oh, he's still doing it. So another funny fact that I learned about is that Robert Rodriguez will...
cut to random things in his films to use great lines from many different takes. And you can start to notice it. So on this set, they had the running joke that so-and-so is like the dog. Oh, George Clooney is the dog. Because I guess in Desperado, and I'd have to go back and watch to really notice this.
he would cut to a couple scenes where he cuts to random shots of a dog, of the dog in Desperado. Because, and the reason he did it is that he would have lines from different takes that he really liked, but he couldn't. he couldn't stay on the actor because they were from different takes, you know? Right. So he'd have to have this random cut to like the dog off to the side and then cut back to the actor so that they could, you know.
It's an interesting solve. Yeah, and so in this film, it happens a few times where they're like, oh, I'm the dog. So in the hotel room, when, gosh, I think it's... It's when Harvey Hytel's talking, or maybe it's when Clooney's talking, he'll cut away to something like a lot. I think it was to Harvey a couple times or something. Yeah. And randomly, Harvey's not really even doing anything, but it's because he wanted...
to combine a few takes that George had because he liked the delivery of a few of the different lines. And we see it again at the very end when Harvey's doing a speech, a big speech before they open the door. And it cuts to Clooney a couple times randomly, and he just makes some faces. Yeah. And Clooney, even in that moment, was like, actually, when they shot that, I guess I'll get there, but I'm talking about already now.
Harvey wasn't even in the room and they just had Clooney do some reactions against the door. And Clooney's like, oh, I'm the dog, right? Like, I'm the dog. You got to get some... takes a Harvey. Yeah, you are the dog right now. We just need some looks from you. I did see those camera fans. That is interesting. It's like he's doing a speech and he goes to Clooney a couple times and he just gives a couple weird looks. It's even like the whole...
the whole Fred Williamson speech of him in like Nam they do that same pan back and forth that goes to Tom Savini for a reason obviously because he's turning into a vampire but yeah so But anyways, it's just something that happens throughout the film I thought was pretty funny.
Now that you've mentioned that, I want to go back and watch it again for that. My favorite lines in the movie, though, is when Richie, Quentin Tarantino, just... just is in his own headspace and he veers off and and yeah first first time he sees the family and juliette lewis comes in and with her suit on and stuff and yeah she just looks over at him richie would would you do me a favor and eat my pussy for me um uh sure sure and then later on in the motorhome he's like um
Did you mean what you said back there in the room? What? You know what you said back there in the room. And then Clooney cuts him off. Hey, Richie, don't talk to the hostages.
we can talk later about this great i love those what's funny is they actually added that in uh later a little bit on the fly after they knew they were using juliette lewis because they they knew that she would be able to deliver that perfect oh she was fucking spot on man she's a great actress she's so good yeah she's sex god yeah cluny was all about her i think during this whole shoot from what i could tell really during the documentary and such yeah the innocent daughter and then like
The sexy, like, I want you now, like, I'll seduce you, and then, like, I'll take shots of Jack Daniels all night and kill vampires. Like, holy shit. Yeah, she pulls it all off. And I was watching some behind the scenes where she's... talking in between takes like i don't know if i should do it this way that way and her voice is exactly this like deep sensual you know she can't get away from it
yeah it really is plays it perfectly uh sure i i can do that for you yeah they talked about possibly doing that more often his little his pov type stuff but they ended up they ended up not really doing that but quentin was like i really like that we did that and just for a brief second you got to just see what richie sees sometimes why he's so crazy he's just psycho man yeah he's deranged um so quentin
they get in the rv like you just talked about and he they have that random thing where he puts in his fucking grinding teeth guard yeah and that was another last minute like he actually just got fitted for that for real because he grinded his teeth at night and was put it in put your mouthpiece in yeah so then they drive they get to the they're trying to cross the border
We see Cheech, who plays three characters, by the way, and we'll get to that in a minute. He's the border cop. Upon reading the script, Robert Rodriguez didn't think this border scene was suspenseful at all. He was like, I just don't see what...
like quentin said this is supposed to have people on the edge of their seat but i just don't see i don't see it uh but then he did say yeah he did say until he started editing it because he edited this movie robert rodriguez always edits his own shit he like he's like his own cinematographer he's you know i mean he wrote a book called rebel without a crew i mean he does everything and uh i think to this day he edited like spy kids and shit i think he edits his own shit all the time so um but yes
until he started editing it then as he was editing it he he was feeling the suspense of being the editor like i just want to get to the end of the scene like what the fuck you know yeah oh totally that's what sold him on it and what was sort of cool is that he just offhand mentioned oh i edit at night like i edit nights and i was trying to get this one done before the sun came up and like i got it done as the sun was coming up and i just thought that was sort of
interesting like he stays up all fucking night editing movies yeah this is like he gets his coffee gets his gets gets going he's just on the roll i bet yeah burning the midnight oil But during the specific scene of the Border Patrol, the interior of the RV is actually on a soundstage that they did. Oh, right. Yeah, they had to cut the shower out.
for them to both fit in it hiding because his butt's like hanging out in a hallway for real when they're hiding in the shower. And then Harvey wasn't, if I heard it right, I believe this is true. Harvey and Cheech weren't even there. on like the same day so we don't think they were actually conversating with each other like they got harvey's side of it then they got cheetah's side of it what
Yeah, it could be that Harvey just wasn't there when Cheech came aboard. Maybe that was it. But at some point during the sequence, they were not there at the same time. But Harvey's point of view was seeing Cheech outside, so Cheech had done his outside.
yeah yeah i'm just saying they might not have been there at the same time like harvey was talking to the camera out the window yeah just like talking to the camera in the window that's that's crazy wow so yeah uh as they leave the border they get past it it's the the split second you see of of the background all the trucks going through the border is actually just all the crew people and their trucks in the background and they didn't even really
tell them to move they actually just shot that shot as like a practice but they just used it and it's the crew some of them are waving it's like just the crew in the background with their wild so it's not just like random like bystanders waving like extras yeah well and so the way julia got cast is
Her and Quentin were friends, I guess, and she had taken like six months off. She was in Florida just hanging out, relaxing, and she had read the script for this film. Her agent had sent it to her or something, and I don't even know because...
quentin didn't have it since i don't know how these things work were scripts just floating around back in the day i don't know right but yeah but she called him up and was more like a catch-up conversation but then was like oh by the way i read the script that you wrote and I sort of like, like this role and this part and, and Quentin just didn't expect, cause the role was actually smaller in the script than it ended up being and didn't expect her. I guess she was.
fairly accomplished by this time. She was. She'd been in quite a few of the things you know her from. Cape Fear, Christmas Vacation. Cape Fear is the thing that... that put her on the map. Cause I believe she was Oscar nominated. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And she was also a natural born killer. Yeah. That was my first experience of her was natural born killers. It was before this. Yeah. It was before this. No. Okay.
Okay. Yeah, that was 94. Okay, wow. Okay, so that was a couple years before it. Wow. So yeah, so she expressed interest and he was sort of like psyched. He's like, oh shit, I didn't think she'd be interested in this. Let's do it. So then they... really beefed up her role in it once he knew that she was going to come on board and play it. She's the protagonist. She comes out as the female. God, I wish she would have just gone with George Clooney to El Rey.
I know, right? I guess the whole... Not to jump ahead, but I guess the whole L. Ray thing is from a book that Rob Rodriguez... They both liked I forgot the exact name of the book. I need to go back and because I was like, oh, I should read this. But some in this book, it was like criminals fleed El Rey.
And they spend their money, but you can never leave El Rey, and it becomes this hellhole. I don't know. It was this fantastical, quote-unquote, El Rey destination from this book that they... always pictured them then going to on the run you know and yeah and and as as if it was like hell sort of right like and and and i am gonna get into this i mentioned cheech marin like he's sort of the devil because
he keeps showing up, you know, and he's guiding them to El Rey. The guy that is at the very beginning. Yeah. El Rey's hideout in Mexico was taken from... The Getaway, a 1958 crime novel by Jim Thompson. That might be what it is then, The Getaway. Quentin talked so highly of the book and was like, it's so good. And especially like the ending he said was just phenomenal. So that's where, that's where Seth Gekko went was the hideout in Mexico. And that's where you just looked it up on Google.
What'd you search? LRA or something? Oh, I see it in Wikipedia. It's just in the production references to other, you know, it's just in the Wikipedia. What's the book called again? It was taken from The Getaway, a 1968 crime novel by Jim Thompson. The Getaway. Huh. Let's look that up. Okay. Interesting. All right.
Well, yeah, funny side note is there were, like, jokes, and some people actually brought up, seriously, though, talks of a chain of titty twisters. Really? Are you going to make that into a real franchise? I will say this, and maybe I'm alone in this, but when he first walks in, wouldn't you love to go to a place like this? I mean, like a bar where you could get in real trouble, you know, a real rough kind of place.
Yeah, man. Now you walk into a bar and everything is Instagram ready. There's nothing edgy about a bar. Now they're all trendy and shit. I want to go to a bar and be like, if you make eye contact with the wrong person, you're getting stabbed. Where are those places? I think we just have to take the right kind of road trips is all. That's right.
you see scott like harvey caddell's son scott and he's like whoa dude this is my kind of vacation he's he's like flabbergasted yeah well that i mean that does take us to the titty twister they walk in and immediately they wanted to do a 360 of the titty twister which we see when we walk in they walk in and we just do a whole camera does a whole pan 360 which is a lighting nightmare by the way they said and i can imagine um
But the reason he wanted to first get to 360 out of the way so you get the vibe of the place, but also they're trying to capture a little bit more of the hard work of the art department, you know, because they say they talk about and... I can imagine this is so true that the art department, production design, they put so much work into these sets like the Titty Twister. Every nook and cranny is accounted for and looks amazing. Yeah.
then you miss 85% of it through the scope of the lens, you know, because you're just sort of brushing past things. You just can't. You just don't really get the full scope of it unless you're standing in the actual place. Yeah, exactly. So they just wanted to try and get some of that. And they talked about that's also how they were making this film.
And in the action of things, I mean, there's like fucking heads on the floor and limbs flying around. Oh, dude, it goes crazy. And they're like, we're fucked on ratings. But... Then you go through the scope of the camera and it actually misses like 80% of the shit that they were worried about it seeing, you know? So they just, they couldn't, they mentioned it many times about how.
you really do like miss so much of what they see there in person when you're just looking through the tiny scope of the lens. Yeah. Yeah. yeah um yeah which it's it's almost like oh i wish they would have caught all that that we saw but like it was good thing because of the ratings yeah
You then see a lot of familiar faces if you've watched Desperado or anything that Robert Rodriguez has done in this bar because he used what he called his Desperado guys. You got Danny Trejo. You got the band leader who is in Desperado. Desperado as well. A lot of these thugs you could probably recognize from Desperado and people that he's worked with before. And so it was Williamson. Yeah. This was really a coming together of.
seasoned, familiar crews between Tarantino's camp and Robert Rodriguez's camp. And even a lot of them already knew each other. A lot of crossover, you know. And so it was a very family atmosphere on set with these people and people that they use again. Although it wasn't without conflict, I should say, because they did some long days, 17, 18-hour days.
overworked. There was some footage of crew complaining about meals and being overworked and things like that. And there was the threat of IATSE stepping in. This was a non-union crew shoot. And there was a threat of IATSE pushing for a strike. There was a part of the documentary, a large part of it was them trying to hunt down the head of IATSE to interview and get their side of the story.
if you watch and read into it, it really sort of becomes apparent that none of the crew had any issues and was complaining. It was IATSE as an organization. being predatory on these independent successful independent film productions for for not being union you know what i mean so right right they're coming in for no reason to try and just cause issues and make a strike because they weren't included on these productions. They're jealous of this awesome movie being made.
I wouldn't ask how a $20 million movie gets made without being I have seen that. I don't know if it does these days. I don't know if I have seen it. Now it's like $2 million. Miramax is like, hey, we got this. We believe in you. You're up and coming. Here you go. Yeah, so I mean, so there was some crew, like potential crew issues with Hiazzi.
That happened to fucking me and Scotty on a film. They struck for... IOTC got the non-union crew to strike for like one or two days. I don't know that that's... And that movie... was already in a rough shape. I wouldn't doubt that IATSE is out there trying to force productions to go union by like... talking to the crew members who aren't really having issues, but are saying like, wouldn't you rather be like getting paid union wages and getting a union credit for this?
you know and then be like oh yeah like sure we could strike you know what i mean right right exactly and quentin tarantino talked about it in an interview saying comparing it to like child protective services look they don't just go around snatching up people's children like there has to be an issue first right right exactly there has to be an investigation there has to be a reason you know right
Dude, if I was an IOTC crew guy on this movie, I saw George Clooney, Quentin Tarantino, Cheech Marin, and I'd be like, fuck, dude, I love this. This is awesome. I'm not striking. But like you said, it wasn't them. It was the actual department. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so then we see, obviously, some superstars. You see Greg Nicotero with his Switchblade and his balding long hair. Oh, yeah, it was great.
with Tom Savini snatching his beer with his whip, and Nicotero whips out the switchblade, and then Savini whips out his... cock gun sorry sorry the cock gun that's a much better name for it yeah dick gun whatever so you have nicotero uh so knb did the effects on this uh nicotero kurtzman and burger
who had previously worked for Tom Savini or with and for him in the past. So Savini just came on as an actor and didn't do any effects in this film. That's surprising. Yeah, Tarantino wanted him in it as an actor. just as a big fan of his. Oh, he's a great actor too. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, so yeah, it was cool to have them all together on screen though. And you don't really see Nicotero on screen. So it was, it was cool to have him. Yeah. He looked great. Yeah.
Yeah, and then apparently Danny Trejo did his little speech, the introductory speech, like 10 times for Salma Hayek before she came out. They just sort of let him do what he wanted, and he had a lot of fun with it.
God, Selma Hayek just... Yeah, so now we're at Selma Hayek. And she was obviously... The part was written for the original name of the song and dancer. God, it was like... blonde something i forgot and it has to do with the snake she has because it's like a white snake and and all this stuff but um Quentin, or no, it was Robert Rodriguez said, push for Selma Hayek. How about we use Selma Hayek? Obviously, he had just used her in Desperado. And we'll call it Satanico Pandemonium.
which is the title of an old Mexican horror movie. And Quentin Tarantino had never seen it, but had worked at a video store that had the poster of it there. And he had never forgot the name. And it always just, like, said it out loud. And funny enough, the cinematographer of Dusk Till Dawn was like, oh, I love that movie. I've seen it, like, a bunch of times. Oh, boy.
so i think they say that that's like the name of the number and and that's like sort of her what that whole they refer to her as and the whole thing yeah um and so they changed it from blonde whatever to to satanico pandemonium that's so great yeah this movie looks fucking crazy did you look it up i sure did it looks like satan tempts a nun with sex to get her to like revolt
That's awesome. That's fantastic. Does it have a good poster? Because that's what Tarantino kept seeing was a cool poster. It's crazy. Yes, it's great. But this scene with Salma Hayek. Robert Rodriguez said this could never have worked in real life because... They filmed it to different music. It's not the music you hear. It's just some music they play in the background. It wasn't choreographed. They're just telling her to do things in the background. Oh, walk over here. Move your hips.
right and throughout all of this movement and them telling her she's like twisting an ankle and tripping a little bit and and so it wasn't perfect but they'd be like no we'll just cut around it don't worry like keep going and And so it was like awkward music in the background, them telling her to do things, her not doing things perfectly. Then they cut it together and put different music over it. And it looks like this sexy miracle.
Wow. It worked. It was. Oh, yeah, it definitely worked. I think this scene with Selma Hackett here is one of the greatest scenes in all of cinema history. Dude. My God, with that snake. I cannot overstate how much I love this scene and how much I love Samaya. I'm sure that 13-year-old me was really loving this scene. Yeah. 39 year old me loves this scene George Clooney now that's what I call a show they did Robert Rodriguez was
was given Tarantino some flack. He's like, this is the writer writing for himself as the actor because she really... treats richie real nice in this scene for this character and they're like shouldn't she maybe be doing that to cluny instead like he's more of the guy and
But then after they shot it and everything, Robert Rodriguez is like, actually, you know what? She would do that. It worked out better because he's the one that was... that was all after juliet and seeing her say and like it would she would pick him out you know yeah yeah yeah so they thought it ended up working well but yeah it's so funny oh my god
so selva hayek like desperado was like almost her first thing she did one before desperado that wasn't that big but desperado and then this was right after it so it was like that was her first like bigger movies too you know yeah yeah but But she looked like a boss. Which is such a good movie. Desperado also is one from my younger days that really burns in my brain. I love Desperado. It's great.
Well, we might have to shotgun a few facts, folks. Yeah, I actually only have, like, three left. And I'll pump them out. So, yeah, we had... obviously this is when all hell breaks loose and literally in the script it just said all hell breaks loose and then there was about a page of some suggestions on what should happen but this was one of the parts where they really mentioned that
They just had some money, and neither of them had done effects before, if you think about it. They hadn't really done effects-heavy anything. And they brought K&B on, and they just sort of... Nick Katero talked about how Robert Rodriguez had...
Sort of told them some things and been like, yeah, this would look great. And Nicotero would come up with some, oh, like this or that or this. Oh, yeah, yeah. Then they got on set to do all this stuff. And like Rodriguez didn't remember half the shit. Oh, did I say to do this? like that's crazy fucking animatronic you said to do this and they're like really sort of balls to the wall and just did all this shit
Oh, man. After that Selma Hayek bite to Quentin Tarantino, so much shit's happening. They must have just thrown all... You've got the band playing with the body guitar. You've got left and right people biting necks. You look behind the scenes and they're just throwing limbs into frame as they're... doing things they got like the pimple popping and they got like all this stuff they got that that sort of rat creature was they built that animatronic and and cheech turned into but
Was that Cheech that ended up being the rat creature? He has his head chopped off, and then his head comes out of his neck, and he turns into the rat creature. That's right. Then Juliette Lewis shoots an arrow. arrow at him and then he blows up there's so many uh like vampires that like you shoot them three times and they just blow up yeah yeah guts everywhere And like I said, they had to beef up Juliet's role. They also didn't expect to get Fred Williams in this movie.
who's somewhat of like an old time legend that was great and immediately they were like oh fuck we got fred williams to play this little role and we gotta we gotta give him more shit to do and yeah So they had him. So good. Yeah. The story, the girls on the table legs, like he spiked the girls on the table legs. That was for him. He's trying to stack the fricking dominoes and the girl keeps shaking the table and knocking over his dominoes.
And his nom story must be a recurring. It must be from other roles because I think that's the thing that he does. They were talking about like fans of his. They were sitting in front of him at a screening. And before he even started the nom story, like, he's going to do a nom story. He's going to do a nom story. That's freaking awesome. But I thought.
Then they end up... Is it him? They're beating him with a... Or they beat Emilio with sticks. They beat him when Fred helps out. And I just made this note because... You know, a lot of times, and I've experienced this, where you read a script.
and it's hard like the script is the way it's described and the way it talks about things is real funny but like how do you get that to screen that was like the guy falls into the twinkie rack like that sounds funny on the paper but i don't know how you really And this, he was descriptive in this scene saying, oh, they beat him, quote, with sticks like LAPD's finest.
so they did it he's like and they did it it looks like i wanted it to look perfect perfect yeah so uh yeah i think that's basically um I already talked about how he wrote this before pulp and it was a little favorite and Robert Rodriguez had read it and wanted to do it, but someone else owned it and it came back around. Once they started realizing they had more money from Miramax to do this film.
For a moment, they actually thought about changing it, not making it so exploitation, making it more of a real, laudable movie. with a budget made by Miramax, but only for a moment. Then they were like, no, no. This is what it is. I'm glad it did because it holds up. It's one of my favorites as far as a vampire flick in mid-90s.
action horror movie. It's one of the best. It's so good. And Robert Rodriguez was like, we have to make this because apparently Quentin Tarantino was already cannibalizing the script.
for instance the ezekiel speech from pulp fiction was was actually supposed to be a harvey speech in this movie but he had like taken it out of the script already and used it in something else and he was starting to do that with a couple parts uh and so they're like no we just we got to make the script before it gets torn apart and doesn't get made at all um
And the last couple things, oh, I thought it was interesting. They did talk about what George Clooney was being, quote unquote, the dog, giving the looks at the door so they could cut away to him. They said, oh, yeah, George was fine with it. They said he isn't method. He doesn't need anything. You just tell him what to do and he just does it. Yeah. So that's, that's cool about George. I guess. Fucking.
pointy stick that he sharpened with that. I love it when they're all like superheroes at the end there and he just takes that and grabs that freaking pumping stick into the freaking hearts. And then the condoms fill the holy water and it's so good. Well, the last thing I had, I already sort of touched on, but Cheech obviously plays three different roles in the film. He read for those three films as a fill-in during one of the table reads, just because those people weren't there.
The three roles. They were like, maybe he should just play those roles. And then they got to thinking, maybe he is the devil, sort of. He keeps popping up. He keeps guiding them. He's guiding them to El Rey, all this stuff. So, yeah, they're like, he's there as the Border Patrol. Then he's at the bar, and then he's the gangster at the end that comes out. So they did it on purpose for sure. But he read them all differently. He did different voices for all of them.
you know truly personify them differently i got juicy pussy i got smelly pussy i got black pussy white pussy i got all the pussy you need man oh you're so good oh yeah I see that, though. And then he comes in as Carlos at the very end there, and he's the one that will escort Seth to Sanctuary, to El Rey, which is where the fugitives go for...
You know, whatever the admission fee of 30%, but he talks them down to 25 or whatever it is, 20. But he wraps it up. It's a perfect ending. I love it. Overall, I really enjoyed revisiting this. It helped me. to you know these days you can think of especially clint tarantino and maybe robert rodriguez and think of like oh the mainstream and and blah blah blah and and you know i don't know about sellout but just like you know
They're easy to hate on because they're so successful now. But revisiting this and looking behind the scenes and learning about it just reminds me that these guys... They were just shoestring budget fucking filmmakers, especially Robert Rodriguez before this. Yeah. And they were just, they had a couple random successes and they were just given some money and.
like they were able to do this they blew up and the rest is history i mean they made they really put in they really fucking put in the work and they really were grinding the grind writing scripts and making their own films you know yeah So it's, I bow my heads to them. Take my hats off for them. It's cool. It's cool to revisit. So yeah, that's, that's all I got.
Great facts. Well done. Great research. I love it. Thank you, sir. I know we're already at 120. Is there anything you guys want to mention? What did you watch? It's been a while. It's been like a month or so. up with a list but there's a thing or two you watch that you loved you know i mean you know it was just it was just holiday movies for the last couple weeks you know and i don't think i watched
Too many new ones other than the old favorites. I mean, Christmas Vacation is my personal favorite. I love it. We were just talking about it. Juliette Lewis. That's right. I heard somewhere that Chevy Chase said Juliette Lewis was his favorite daughter. There's like three of them, right, or something? Yeah.
That's cool. She'd be my favorite daughter, too. I've been watching the show Superman and Lois, which just ended after its fourth season, and it's the best live-action Superman stuff. I've heard good things about that. so that's all that's it for me what about you guys I don't want to hype it because that's like the cool thing to do but Scotty and I saw Nosferatu the other night and I
I thought it was pretty fucking good. I liked it, man. I gotta see it. I'm so excited. Dude, I liked it, man. It's got that macabre, like... 19th century like old timey feel I mean I've seen some memes that would that they're giving people shit it's like oh you know people that like Nosferatu it's like a uh fucking you know hipster and then some espresso and then like haven't seen it yet you know right the people that like it the most haven't even seen it yet
So I went into it with those expectations. I was like, oh, is this going to be like a really artsy, you know, subtle... Which I'm fine with still, but I was prepared for that. But it actually ended up being like... pretty fucking gruesome and pretty good the imagery in it and the characters i went into like not no high expectations but then i came out i'm like damn
I like that. It was my type of movie. I would definitely see it again. I think you'd like it. I could see what people could pick apart from it, but those aren't what I care about. I liked it from... My take on movies. I thought it was good. So, yeah, I think that's about, I watched, I've been looking up some obscure found footage. I watched something called Santa Sanatorium. It was pretty decent.
So yeah, check it out if you want. It's an older film. It's like 2019 or something. Found footage movie was pretty good. But yeah, no. Check out. I think Nosefratu was good. People might hate us saying it, but... You don't know it's Bill Skarsgård ever. I never knew. I mean, his vocal, obviously, it playing it at Pennywise and it chapter two and.
Bill Skarsgård is a gem. He plays Orlok in this. He plays Nosferatu. Willem Dafoe is just always amazing, but I think it's Johnny Depp's daughter, right? She does really good. Lily Rose Depp, man. really good there's some creepy visuals for her man like yeah there's a lot of possession stuff with her in it that you i wasn't expecting from a vampire movie so that was good it was good so yeah i'd see it
All right, guys. Well, I think, yeah, I know we're already coming up on hour 20 here over, but thanks for joining us. First one back. Got to get some things off our chest. I believe, hopefully, if Rob joins us, we're doing it for him. We're covering body melt. body melt in two weeks. Obscure horror. Depending. We might just get to the next one, which is Kindred. The Kindred after Body Melt. Recommended by Jason Purcell. Yeah.
Who sends me a lot of cigar pics, I appreciate. We just had one tonight. We did have a cigar before recording this and a scotch. And also coming down the pike is Stir of Echoes. We'll be watching. Scotty starts to let us know if he has the DVD. I'll go check on the extras on that. But yes, I... I feel like we might just have to do... I already bought the Body Melt Blu-ray on eBay secondhand for $40. You got to sit through that movie, Carmel. I'm sorry.
Maybe there'll be some resale value. It might be good. It's the vinegar syndrome release, you know, so. I don't mind having those. They have cool artwork at least. The thing to do is make us watch a movie I don't want to watch and then not show up to the episode. Then he won't show up. Everyone go give Rob shit.
So that we can, he can cover body melt with us in two weeks and then we'll be doing the kindred after that. Yes. Always open for your suggestions. So post them in the group on Facebook or, or, you know, tag us on Instagram or message us DM on either. We'll, we'll take your suggestions if we haven't covered them yet. So.
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