Welcome to The Cult Classic Horror Show. Every week you can have the conversations you've always wanted to have about the films you love. Get rid of your distractions and prepare yourselves. everybody to the cult classic horror show Danny Bowen here and Scotty Bowen with you guys. We are the blood brothers and Carmelo Kymara. And once again as a special guest, we have Jason Chuala. Hey, hey, hey, I'm not, I'm not that other guy. No Rob is out working. So everyone messaged. No other way.
I'm going to quit his, his job. He needs even though it's helping his parents out, but still tell him to get his ass back on the podcast. No, man. Rob stunt double Rob stunt double stunt out late night. I'm really worried. And then yeah, well, here we are with a special episode. We're providing commentary to our newest film, Name the Demon. So this episode is meant to be listened to while you watch the film on your favorite wherever you want to watch it. Right.
At the moment, it's streaming on Amazon to be Google play. We're going to watch it on Amazon. I have it queued up to just all zeros right before the very first logo, which is Indy writes comes on to the screen. We're going to do a countdown. And we're also fielding comments from other people who are joining us live. So you'll hear us doing that as well. All right. Yes. And remember, if you leave at least one comment, you're entered a win a t-shirt.
We're going to give away t-shirt during this as well. That's right. Of course, not if you're listening after the fact, but. Right. That's all right. You can't win that. All right. I am zeroed out. I'm going to count down from three and I'm going to click play on go. So here we go. Three, two, one, go. Boom. Logo came up. I guess we can start the commentary with nice things about Indy writes. You know, there's a lot of shitty distributors out there. Indy writes is good.
The split is more than fair. They do a great job. We are talking to someone. I can't name them, but we're talking to someone about potentially a theatrical release. That's going to cool. And once the Kickstarter is funded, I've got some, I will be able to make some exciting moves happen on the physical release. So you look out for those announcements too. Yes. I like that Cameras studio's logo. The negative space is cool. There needs to be more negative space than things. It's true.
Whenever the world is crowded place. This was shot much later than the original shooting days. This is in Denver. Jesse and I took the camera out and we just had to get the... Carmelo, this was added in later, right? Yeah. So Nicholas wrote this later because Nicholas is my brother for those of you who don't know who is my co-writer and co-director and we collaborate with Jason all the time.
And I think it was actually Jason who made a really good point early on, which was that it's hard to care about all the horrible things that are about to happen if you don't connect with Anna earlier. We try little things, we mention she's of that and we see these family photos. But we did this scene to help humanize it. Also there was a runtime issue. It was a little short. And we were also worried that the film's twist didn't come out or that it... Rather, nothing of it didn't come out.
It wasn't set up properly. So this kind of solved a lot of problems. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. This definitely set it up better from the beginning. Right. And what were we filming this? Was it cold? Where it's going on? Actually, it was a nice fall day if I remember... Well, a little past fall, as you can see, all the leaves are gone. It might have been spring. I can't remember quite when we filmed this. But we said we need it. It was months later and this was on an iPhone.
So we just used an iPhone sound from the iPhone. And I think, if I remember correctly, we just happened to choose this park. I don't think the school thing was in the script. It may have been, but the shot that just happened is we just happened to be by the school. And so I just ran, I recorded a little bit of the school saying, oh, that's where I met your mom. Yeah. That was good. I like that. That was off the cuff. Just improvising. Yeah. Just improvisation.
Yeah. You're a little scimmer right now. Carmelo and Ornick did script this part out. And then we, but we might have added a couple things here and there. We were dealing with passerby's a lot. And so a biker came up and someone with their dog that came up to us while we were rolling and had to start that one over again. Where did Jesse get a fake pregnancy belly? How did you do that? I think it's just a literally just a pillow, I think. Or maybe I brought, we have like a one at the theater.
My parents theater that yeah, it's also just a pillow with a belt, you know, but it's like a rounded and it goes like around your neck and it goes around your waist and tight. What was Jesse? Jesse, um, did you get pregnant shortly right after you guys filmed this or would you already have her baby right at the smell? She got pregnant after yeah, right. That's funny. Let's get this. I get this question a lot. These facts are true. Everything in the open. Yeah, people asked me that too.
Yeah, they are. I wasn't sure if there, I wasn't sure for a while if they're true. I was actually surprised. Carmelo actually contacted the IAE to try and talk to them and they didn't want to talk to them. Yeah, they were not, they were not thrilled with my project. Joe Castro's cameo here. Yeah. This is this is the scene I got to direct. Thank you. Yeah. This is Joe Castro, our special fix guy that was there the whole time.
You know what I love reading the comments online, the amount of people who are like, oh my God, Joe Castro's in this movie. And I was like, he's a well known special fix artist. Yeah, he's got some, he's got some serious star power that I was completely unaware of. And if you ever get the chance to meet him or their conventional project, he's just the greatest. We all are big Joe Castro fans. Yes, we love Joe Castro. He'll probably be on our next movie as well.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I know what I work about him now. He's an awesome guy. A joy to be around. Does great work. I hope he doesn't raise the price on us. No, even if he did buy three, he would still beat everyone else's. Oh, he's awesome. I'm looking at it right over there. I'm in the room. And it's right in the room. You know, he is broadcasting from this room that we're watching on screen right now. These are the rumors happened. You'll notice that when we see Anna again, that arm is bandaged up.
Very nice continuity. Cognuity was in place. Yeah, yeah. I, uh, one other fun little fact for you, that opening with Joe Castro was originally conceived as a trailer of its own. And that we were going to film a couple of things like that that would be standalone in continuity trailers that you'd have to watch to get the full story, but that the movie would stand on its own. Because I sort of like trailers that have original content or part of the experience.
But then it became that the movie was a little slow and we didn't get enough action, fast enough. And so we thought that that really starts the movie off with a bank. As found footage movies often because of their little budget, don't have anything for the first two thirds of the movie. And we didn't want that to be the case. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's going to be the trailer and so that the entire movie could be kept in the dark, right?
Right. Yeah. That kind of presented that hook right off the bat to kind of get the audience. We going, we missed it. But if you looked closely, she was in the upper window at the top of the house. Oh, yeah. I'm always surprised how many people did catch it, which I love. And I love when people tell me they watched it a second time and caught it in surprise. That's very, I was different. We're going to have to like put all these Easter eggs on an empty be page at some point.
Yes. So I've got an Easter egg right here. I've got the address plate from the house. Ooh. Someone said, why would you put your address in public? And I didn't comment if you know what this Easter egg is from. You can get this prop on our Kickstarter. Of course, if you're listening, that's awesome. It's on the blue rates. Yeah, you got the, and if you're just listening, you can go back and watch. This is on YouTube as well. So. Yeah. Jason already got it. Yeah, nailed it. Nailed it. J.S.
They just came in from outside where it was freezing balls cold every night that we shot. Oh my god. 20 degrees every night. It was pretty cold. Oh, I go to hell. Chicago is serious. Oh, that's the dog. That's Carmelo's mom's dog. Right, Carmelo? That's right. Yep. He was so traumatized by the end of this. We basically had to throw him out. That yelping was just amazing too. Yeah. Fun fact about Georgia, I went to a barbecue in Georgia. A to a whole slice of pizza off my plate.
Wow. That little shit. We had a Scotty and I had an old cat growing up that swallowed a chicken wing hole. She was just really old too. It was sort of funny. We just like saw it happen. I tried to get it out of her mouth and just too late. Like, what the hell? We did put pictures and things throughout Carmelo's house of Jesse and I as husband and wife. And the funny thing is most of them are pictures of Jesse and her actual husband.
And who did the someone replaced his face with my face in Photoshop? Yeah. But then you were a potter or might have been Greg Lynn who did. Maybe Greg. Yeah. Someone did. Yeah. It looked pretty good. Greg did the you see the frame and the clock and the battery. And that's harder than it looks because even though it's meant to look like found footage, we wanted the timing right. We wanted the battery to deplete at certain points. So like, yeah, but manually pace all that up. Mm hmm.
My husband, I have seen a complaint about it. The first one. Everyone usually is very positive. They love the battery. They love it being there. Yeah. I did see some people were saying it's the worsen battery on the planet. Well, yeah. But then someone was like unrealistic because that's what you see when you're recording through a camera, not when you're watching video back from like, I remember that comment. Yeah. And I was like, oh, we addressed that. It's the big, big Scott.
I keep calling big Scott. But he plays father Matthews. He says the line where he's like, make sure that the stamp is visible for every. That's you. Yep. That's right. Yep. Which is your point. Oh, the settings and make that visible. Right. Right. Right. It just goes to show you though. And if you're whether you're a big time filmmaker and independent filmmaker or any kind of creative. So I mean, this encouragingly, you just can't make everybody count. Oh, yeah.
We made a movie we thought was scary and was cool. And we think the battery was awesome. It was Jason Chowel's idea because it gives the movie the ticking time bomb that every movie needs in its own way. Here's some legs. You know, there's some wigs. There's our first little floating. I absolutely love the legs and the reflection. And I hope people launching caught that. Yeah, that's really cool. Those are prosthetic legs that Joe made that we have hanging from a wooden dowel or a broomstick.
We usually talk about some kind of rig for Jesse, but instead we just hold her up. Yeah, we were like, how are we going to get her feet to float like we harness and some kind of zip line and then we just had fake legs made. Yeah, who has those legs right now? Joe, Joe, Joe, which for there you'll see the shit down says the battery had suspense. Thank you. And then we have a question. How long was filming Jason Persell already answered? It was seven days, seven days straight of night shoots.
And yeah, Jess has no idea how you talked your family into that unless they went out of town. The funny hilarious thing about this, we talked about it on a different, some interview is that during all of this film in Carmel's wife was sleeping in a room that we never go into. Yeah, hopefully peacefully, not knowing that we're tearing shit up in the house. Yeah. I mean, we're making blood everywhere in the audience. Little did I know she was possessed herself.
Yes. Yes. Well, she was possessed every night after we left. That's how we got the demon to appear in the movie. That was part of the deal. Exactly. Yeah. I want to give a shout out before we get too much further to this opening sequence because you guys had such a hard job. You had to memorize all these lines for 11 straight minutes. Now a lot of the movie has taken place and we'll talk about the hidden cuts.
Yeah. But my brother felt strongly that we had to go as long as we could before the first cut so that you would suspend your disbelief, right? If we gave you a real long shot, then later when we're pretending, you're kind of in with us. And these first 11 or 12 minutes really are one take. And it was tough. We did 14 of them before we got it. Did we? Really? At least. And it took all night to do the 12 minutes. That was the thing. Yeah. This was the hardest scene for sure.
This, this longer scene for sure. Yeah. 14. Yeah. I love how that lamp just lights up and shadows like some of the basic stuff in that room. It's just weird. But I just liked it. There's another easter egg back there. Is there's a Pizuzu statue on that shelf behind the Scotty's left there. You can barely see it, but it's there. I've got that as well. Oh, yeah. You're up there with haunted items in the room. In the room.
Carmella has experienced some haunted happenings in that room since we filmed it. And now he's in there. So I don't know. I mean, I make it guys. I don't know. I wish to God. I could have got Jesse floater out here, put her in makeup, get her behind me for this commentary. Oh, no. You know, at the end of the show, she'd come out and kill me. Yeah. Yeah. Slit your throat. We just saw our first subliminal flash of imagery and or numbers that have to do with the demon. So it's giving you hints.
If you know your, what do you want to call it like numerology and whatever you call symbolism? Yeah, symbolism. There's Danny Jesse, superimposed face. Jason says he needs to find and buy that statue. May we say more? Just pledge for it on the Kickstarter. Can't just grab it on the Kickstarter and then you'll get it moving. You can have the exact one. Here, I'm stroking it for you. Right now, he's got a large phallus. And if you can see, I'm going to rub his throat.
Yeah. And I believe that that specific pledge also comes with like a slew of autographed items. So I've got other stuff it does. I've got also the diploma we just saw. I've got the, yeah, the Anna Scott diploma with her veterinarian. Oh, and I've got the wedding photo. Oh, yes, that's the main one that my head was photoshopped in. Now this, I've seen Danny in a lot of movies and he's my, my good friend, but I also direct him, right? I'd be complimentary, but I also want to be honest with him.
And I love his performance in this scene. And I've heard from a lot of people, they love his performance and it carries his opening. Well, I'm getting at is I've seen him in a lot of stuff. I tell him which I like better. And I think this is one of the best performances he gives in anything I've seen him in. And I'm not saying that he's great for sure. Well, I owe you a hand job. Well, you know, right of a plus, a hand.
Because it does make me happy is that because I know people aren't just blowing smoke is I've had people tell me groups of people are like, Danny's great in this. I didn't care for Potter or Scotty or whatever. And I've had people tell me the opposite. Scotty was amazing. I love it. I thought, you know, and the reason I like that is because we talked about this. You can't please everybody. Yeah. It tells me people are actually engaging. They're actually caring about the performance.
Yeah, that's great. You know, yeah. You have you as a filmmaker and actor, you start to, you can't get too much into the negative reviews as they come out. But as sort of a solace to it all is that right next to our movie, VHS beyond came out. And then I was looking at other like critically acclaimed films. And it's all the same comments. It doesn't matter what movie it is. It doesn't matter what state. There's comments on like saving private Ryan that say like the acting was garbage. Right.
The dialogue was, was the flow from people who never acted, never made a movie. Right. Yeah. And it's hard, but it's hard to act. It's hard like rip it. It's like, man, you try it. It's hard to get it in front of the camera and really, especially these long scenes like this, this wouldn't happen in a regular film. You cut in between all this. Oh, yeah. Like, and most of the scenes were long in this. So it was definitely a good challenge for all of us for doing this.
I. I'm pretty confident after watching this a few times that this could be seen as sort of a slow, slow moment that drags on, but we're getting a lot of good exposition here. And it's sort of interesting exposition. I would argue that keeps and peaks here interest. Yeah, I would say it's, I mean, at least the goal anyway was it's creepy. You know, I'm just letting up a lot of things like her eating the animals.
And we're setting up that she was at that, which is important for a couple of reasons. And your performance is telling us it's setting the stage for where we're at. I mean, at no point in this, do I think anything other than like this is a tired, scared man who's like at the end of his role, you nail that. And that's why it's important we had that violence at the beginning of the movie though, because it would be like 12 minutes without seeing her or seeing any any gore or blood.
If we didn't have the arm bite. So as good as this is, I do love the idea of starting, you know, really strong. Yeah, yeah. You know, we were talking about some scotch and bourbon earlier. Do we remember Danny? Do we remember what we poured you? That was just tea. That was just I just, yeah, yeah. It was just tea. Yeah. Though on the set of Sinning, everyone's I did swap his iced tea with a glass of bourbon to see. Yeah, yeah. I'd be drinking on camera. Poor Zia the run there.
It's got to give him some strain of bourbon. Yeah, you can. We have a comment that Danny looks like James Brolin from Amityville, which is cool because we offer your jazz. We get that. Okay, I'll take it. I'm coming apart. I can see the James Brolin for sure. Yeah. Just I just need to end. I'm a suspected wife beat her. So that, you know, we've said that James Brolin, you know, that's true. Dude, that fucking scared me the first time I saw it. You like hear her voice. Daddy. Oh, shit.
You know what? Yeah, and I thought that was coming from like my kitchen. I was like, I think I knew behind me. I looked behind me. I looked behind me. I looked behind me. I'm like, what? And what's even crazier is that my daughter actually dubbed that exact line, that line that just happened. So that was still her. Stella dubbed it. And so I just, for a second, I was like, because there never was a daddy in there. That's why she never was never a daddy in there.
Yeah. We needed it for this, this startle. That was a head and cut. That's the first head and cut. It was so that we didn't have to have the young actress there the first night so we could limit her. You know, she was seven. She was in school. Isabel Pestore. And she universal, by the way, praise. Everyone who sees this tells me Isabel Pestore is fantastic in this. Yeah. Both girls get university praise no matter good or bad reviews. Jessie and Nizabel. It's true. Everything was garbage.
The acting was horrible. Except for the possess girl and the little girl. Yeah. I have her shark. This is a reference to an old feud. If you've listened to the call classic horror show before you've heard this story. But when the hills have eyes came out, Wes Craven put a jaws poster in the trailer ripped in half to say like, that was the skitter Ace movie. Now it's this one. And then Sam Raimi does it and evil daddy puts the hills have eyes poster ripped up. That's right.
Evil bed is on a screen a nightmare before Elm Street. He's glove is an evil dead too. So this is my little I want in on this feud. This is what's over and you can get the shark. The job shark get this. She did it was sort of funny. She just yanked me as hard as she could up the stairs for no real reason. Right after that. She did do a great job. But this was I think her first one of her first things she'd ever done. And this was her first like big gig.
Took a little bit of work working with her here and there to get her to do what we wanted and to get the lines. Yeah. If she got through it. So this is a little funny. Streg no one's quite caught is there's a lot of talk about the cameraman being observant. There's a lot of talk about Scotty being a good talker. And this is something Jason I worked on. No one has caught, but they all then suffer an injury to that area. The cameraman will have an injury to the eye.
Scotty will have an injury to his mouth and Danny to his ear. And it was supposed to be here. No evil. Yes, I got that. Yeah, it's a little thing. It was more for the fun of it. You know, you'll see my my collar is actually a Coke cup cut and half. And I put it my shirt. Really? Yeah, it's just the inside of a plastic or a paper cardboard paper. Yeah. So what I had kept bending and this one worked way better. Do we have that toy car? No, do we have the toy?
No, we gave the toy to Isabelle as a gift as a thank you. And I don't know if it's made up for all the trauma and therapy that she probably had to go with. But she officially accepted it as a settlement offer. So okay, good. When we were watching that in the Chicago premiere, that that that part I saw the audience jump a little bit. That's that blowered toy sound. Well, yeah, I worked so good. Yeah, it does work good.
This came out, it's very dark and it gets a little bit lighter here in a second, but I think it came out real well because she just looks creepy enough to where you're not sure if she what's going on with her. Yeah. And early drafts and also in its shows here, the idea was we wanted it to be something where maybe she is just sick. And I think this plays into the early red herring that that Danny's character is a wife leader and that he's just keeping this woman in the attic.
I also love how father Matthew says no one say we're except for me and I immediately shows him and start talking to her. That's the dynamic. Those characters are arm wrestling the whole movie, really. This is the acting that a lot of people can argue, oh, anyone can sit there and scream and be possessed, but it's this emotional stuff here early on. I think that really sells Jesse as an actress. I mean, she just kills it right here.
And the way she just switches back and forth with that dramatic energy. Yeah. In between takes Jesse would go off to the side and like hyperventilate herself moments before we shot. I think her do that on Sin Eater too. So she, you know, her praise, you know, her praise came at a cost. She like really hurt herself through the ringer to make this character as believable as possible. And physically and emotionally, completely both. I love this. Sorry, I don't mean to rip over here right now.
I love this sequence of completely going all the way down the stairs while conversating. It just really makes you know we're in a single shot film. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. And it's urgent where you need to get downstairs. We need to start. It's like we appear here. Yeah. I didn't mean to cut Jesse went through hell. She hurt alcohol to wipe makeup off. Nightly air brushing makeup on. People don't realize that your skin just becomes this rob, dry coating on you.
He went through a lot and it was tough. We had some crazy late nights that was tiring and stressful. But we ultimately got through and it was, we had a great time. Yeah. I like this without having cuts in it because that's really what personifies the sequence from Army of Darkness where he's gearing up. This is sort of like that sequence without the hard cuts, you know.
It's true and it's actually weirdly, it's really a part of the classic heroes journey that Joseph Campbell writes about in the famous book Hero of the Thousand Faces. Armoring up, stooting up for the final fight is part of the heroes journey. So it's always a really cool scene. Yeah. I have the book. You have the book, right? Oh, you have the book. I have the real book. You have the real book. I have this book. And if you've seen the movie, you know what this book is. Yeah, there it is.
Which Joe made that like in like 20 minutes. And that and that cardboard replica of this book we're seeing on screen right now, Joe made in how long? It was like an hour probably. You took him like an hour. Yeah. Where's the garbage anyway? And that's just what? Cardboard and such. This is this was cardboard masking tape and spray paint because this is obviously a violence has done with this. Yes. In fact, there's a great line that foreshadows it when Matthew says, this is our best weapon.
And it later becomes. Yeah. And it became a physical weapon. It's blunt on it right now. Right. Instead of his gear up and up and yeah. And yes, I see a comment. I do have all the props, but I'm ready to part with all of them that you can get. It's all on the. You can get all of these on the Kickstarter. These are all up for this. Adam has a nice comment. Said never thought the singer of a heavy metal band would make a great Catholic father on film killed at Scotty. Great job.
Can't wait for the next one. Oh man. I appreciate it brother. God. Because you know, Scotty and I also have a band. We have a band called Poolside at the flamingo. So you can look us up and listen to our music if you'd like. Right. For the Lucas. That should be the song. Good luck, baby. Thanks, man.
The one thing I want to add about Scotty's performance in particular, but really all of them is for me as a director, the barometer of the good performance was, do I feel like they are this character in this situation, right? There's some conversation about, well, you know, given the long takes, it sounds like sometimes they're looking for lines or something. And we have other takes where that's not the case.
I like when people don't know exactly what to say because except for me, most people don't talk in long uninterrupted speeches. Most people look for words. And so I don't mind that. To me, the test was, am I looking at Father Lucas? Or am I looking at Scotty? And when I see him in this movie, I see a priest. And when you see him in a minute, when he's yelling the prayers, in particular at the end, when he becomes the lead, I feel the priest.
When I see Danny sitting there drinking his bourbon, telling his story, I don't see my friend anymore. I see a tired father. Totally. Yeah. I agree, man. Thank you. I'm just becoming the character, you know. And we had some of this priest guard from Sinitor that starred Bill Mosley and he wore. I'm actually wearing Bill Mosley's stole right now. I do not have. I do not. And the stole, if I remember correctly, was surprisingly expensive off of a Catholic's website that you can buy. Very passive.
Yeah. You can go. Catholic priests can go to, they have websites where they can shop and buy things for themselves. Yeah. I have that whole entire outfit. So the door, my room right now, the door behind Scotty is currently in at this moment, in the film where Christine is sleeping. That's where Camille's wife's sleeping. You'll notice we never go in that room and the door is always shut because she's always sleeping in there while we're filming. Yeah. There's a lot of butt shots.
There's a lot of butt shots. The point of that gun is just right in there. Yeah. It really is. It's right there's actually, you know, I tried to tuck it into the bottom lip of my butt. That's how it stays in there. It can fall out. You have to really stick it. Oh my God. This was a shot that we at first tried to use as a possible cover shot for the key arcs, but it was just too dark. Yeah. I thought it came good for the darkness for the arcness for the arc.
You can see her silhouette still in her decrepiveness. I actually did not put this on Kickstarter because I wasn't sure it was enough, but I have the rope. Oh, you did. We tied her up with the rope. Oh, the rope. The rope. I have the rope that's on the bed. Yeah. This one's Kickstarter. That's the room right here. Yeah, that's the room behind Carmelo that we see right now. This is the first of when I rewatches her eyes are bleeding here. If you can catch that barely, if you see it.
Yeah. This is the first sequence of the film where when I watch it, I get the feeling Carmelo intended, which was it's on her for too long. This is happening for too long. I don't feel like I'm supposed to be watching this anymore. This has almost become a smuck. Right. I'm still glad it lands because this is a long shot of them tying her up. And the exorcism is a long shot of them, you know, screaming prayers.
But I, you know, like I looked up videos of exorcisms and there's not a ton of them, but I got creeped the fuck out and I wanted that for the audience. I wanted you to have this something where like if someone just, I go to the window slam, the window slam. The window slam. A lot of people miss, but that's our. I think Jason might pull the cord on that. Yeah, I was just wondering with the bed that he was under the bed.
He actually made the bed shake, but we sort of miss it because the camera's shaking too. Yeah. And so the whole thing's shaking. It just took me forever to tie those. I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, no, it's all right. Yeah, I just wanted to be like, man, if you, if someone sent you this two minutes, you'd be like, what the hell did those guys do that for? Why is it taking them so long to tie her? But I mean, it's built that.
It also did take longer than we thought it would take to tie her up. I'll give you that. You can hear Danny getting tedious with me on that last left leg. They're like, come on. Come on. Hurry. I'm like, God damn it. Why am I taking so long? Just running out of, but I'm running out of things to say about the situation. I know it's like, you don't want that dead space, but it did take a second. I personally love the puns of father and daddy and the dirty sex context that she's talking about.
It's so demonic, right? The demons take clever pleasure in those kinds of things. I had to try and fix her dress a little bit there. It was just, I think riding up a little more than we all thought it was. We just heard rather the first instance of the little girl, little boy voice inside of her, which was done post by Potter. It was done in post, but there have been a couple comments saying, she did a wonderful job with the little kids voice.
Some people don't, you know, can't tell it's in post, which is cool. I love how fucking impatient father Matthew's guest with Deacon John in the scene. Such a jerk. Well, Potter is freaking out. Potter is freaking out. This is some kind of, this is actually a sort of one of the moments of comic relief here. It's the freaking out of Deacon John and all of the rest of us going, what the fuck is wrong with him? Right.
The pipes in the house, the sounds, he's just on edge right now, holed his cross, kissing it. So there's a reading of the movie. I won't go into all of it because it would be a spoilerish. We'll talk about it at the end, but there's a reading of this that I like to think of. I like to think of Deacon John as the hero, right? He might not be the main character.
He might not be the most screen time, but in terms of who goes on the classic hero's journey, it's him because he right now he's like freaking out. He's almost useless. Yeah. And then he does something very heroic at the very end. And to me, it's him, it's just moving about him facing his fears in that way. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Because he's not 100% on board with any of this from the get go. Yeah. And when we land at the very end, you'll see he does get there.
Jason says the comb over reminds him of Jack Torrance. You talking about Mike come over? I hope so because or or Biscuits or big scots or or he's got the sort of that hair going on. But no, I very much was thinking of Jack Torrance in this film most of the time. And I'm glad that most of the feedback I've gotten from just random when we've been at Q&A's and things that comes up with without us saying anything. So that's pretty cool.
That one sequence of me saying that line I risk I could have reshot that because I don't know what I'm doing with with my freaking hands there. I'm like holding my fingers and my thumb like the fuck. But hey, I rather notice that Scotty. I'm 15 times. I'm my own worst critics. See, there, there we go. I've seen the finished movie 16 times. I've seen the movie 600 times. That's just the nervousness of me as my character. See, it's perfectly good. Well, thank you.
I think how mad I get it Simon and then cool myself down immediately. Just the pipes. And then the door. No, this car coming up. I love the pipes. And then the door. Simon, yeah, it's getting so mad at him for a second. Yeah, it's true. My brother Nicholas, the co-writer, go to the writer code director. Nicholas. He wants to be on camera. He wants to be an actor. He doesn't want to do any podcast of promotional stuff. Oh, he hasn't. He's getting canceled.
He says most of the vile dialogue in this movie he wrote. Yeah, yeah, he's a favorite. I love, yeah, from Nicholas, the vile stuff. I love it. I'll give you a preview. If we do hit some stretch goals for the Kickstarter, one of the stretch goals, I did get him to agree to do a director commentary with me. So he and I would do a commentary. Yes. So maybe there'd be some different insights or his opinion of things.
Oh, I bet he'll say a lot of things that we're not even saying that he's had some inside about writing and dialogue and all that. Yeah, I want to know where he gets some of the lines like let Father Lucas's balls shine on your face. Yeah, dude. Really? 14, come up. That was great. I will let them shine day and night, baby. I'm proud of this shot because it's meant to look like the whole movie's meant to look like accidental found footage shots, but we blocked every shot.
And we blocked this to see Lucas and Potter, Lucas and and and Deacon John in the reflection so that all three people could be on screen, even though it's a first person camera. And so we we planned it this way so that we could see everybody. Yeah, it's a great shot. And the shot coming up when Potter is talking to me and it's just catching me and then him and the reflection a little bit.
Yeah, someone in one comment said something about in a comment said, oh, did you guys catch the like evil eye in that shot or something? I have no idea what they're talking about. Oh, all right. And I looked last time and I couldn't see anything. I don't know what they were talking. This scared me that we made this and we don't know what they're talking about. I keep your eyes open for some kind of evil eye or spark or something in that shot. Coming up in a little bit.
Yeah. And if you're by the way, if you're just a podcast listener, I want to remind you, you're supposed to be listening to this episode while watching the movie. This is a yes. As promised, I haven't done this even once yet. That's what we're talking about. Can we give a timestamp? Yeah, I'm afraid of clicking on my screen to see the time. Does anyone have a hair? I can tell you 3456. Yeah, okay. 3456, 5758, 5935, 3535. Okay. Got it. That's where we're at.
3504, 3506. I've got an interesting prop. I've got Grace's pajamas, screen worn, yes. Wow. Which I kind of felt a little creepy about selling, but they're on Kickstarter. Okay, no, that works. If you know what they're from, again, no spoilers, but I even have the cardboard legs in the pants from later in the movie. Can we talk about that now or later? I feel like we're later later. We'll talk about later. Okay. Okay. Kevin Weaver is, I think, listening with us, he hasn't seen it yet.
So he was one of his spoilers. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we won't spoil till we get to the part where we're spoiling. Yeah. Yeah. When we did the, when we cover the movie a few weeks ago or two weeks ago, it was hard not to get boy spoilers. So like, I want to like kind of unleash a little bit during this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This actual thing we're doing right now will be on the Blu-ray as a commentary. I think we're also going to do an actor commentary with Scottie and I and Jesse and Potter.
And then there'll be a director commentary with Carmelo and Nick. And so there's going to be a few commentaries on some of those additional commentaries are stretch goals though. So it depends how the Kickstarter does. That's actually very true. Yeah. That's why I know why I said there's something here that's creepy that did we catch it. I don't know what they're talking about. Oh, there's, you see. I don't know. I don't know. I don't see anything. I don't see anything.
I'll go back and watch that again. Shit. I like to get that barrel. There's a cut. There's a little little thing there. Yeah. Yeah. Whenever it fades to goes to black like that, those are some hidden cuts. If the screen gets fully black or once or twice later on fully white like against the wall, that's that was a cut. Right. The other kind of cut we use was a was called a whip cut when the camera whirls really quickly. That's a place to hide cuts.
Yeah. This actually is not a hidden cut, but we used it. We do that later. So later there was an area we just couldn't fix. And we wanted the camera to do what I called a glitch cut where the camera would glitch out and we would hide the cut in there. But for that to work, the camera has to glitch at other times where you're not doing that. Yeah. And I like that it freaks out like that just before the exercise. Yeah. I like the.
I was like, when we just walked in the room here, I like to vibe because. And this happens once or twice in like the movie, the exorcist where they're sort of just entering. They're in there. I think at one point he comes in and one of the fathers, I think father of marriage just sort of sitting there like reading and Reagan sitting on the bed. And so they're existing and not in like a battle state. You know what I mean? Right. Together.
And as a kid that saw the exorcist way too young, I was always like, how could they even just be in the same room just like sitting there? You know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why are they so calm? What are they doing just sitting in the room? Yeah. Yeah, we're just seeing those piece tied up the bed. One Easter egg on the nightstand her our left screen left is a little statue of a monkey, three monkeys and they're doing the Gerno evil, C no evil speak me.
Yeah, this is the first of our little effects. We did have those are practical. The lights were on like a dimmer, right? Yeah, we use smart bulbs. I can control our bulbs. Yeah. Jason was under the bed. Jason Chihuahua under. Yeah. Yeah. And he will be shaking that. He also pulls a picture frame down. Couple picture frames down. You see the picture frame up. I don't know. I think one of the drawers open to or something.
Yeah, so Nick and Jason and I are, except for the scenes where Jason's shaking the bed, Nick and Jason are right in front of me right now behind where I'm looking is a bathroom. And we're in that bathroom and we all have our own like fishing lines and we're watching on the monitor and pulling at the different times. And you don't even need to paint those out digitally. The filament just does does not show off. Yeah, you can't see them. We have a question about the symbol flashes.
And I do get this question from time to time. The symbols and the numbers are symbols and numbers that are traditionally associated with the demon whose name I won't reveal at this point because the few folks who are seeing this for the first time, which by the way, this is not that this should not be your first deal with the current. You should watch it. But if this is not me and go watch it. I'm watching it for the first time. Kevin might not have joined us.
He might just ask that question and peace out. So you could probably. That's still fit. But yeah, these are the numbers and symbols associated with the movie's demon. And they really are. So, yeah, they're true symbols that associated with the demon. In fact, I don't know if anyone's going to figure out what I did, but I'm going to throw the challenge out there. The numbers associated with this demon are 32 and 72. I've hidden them in plain sight, somewhere out in the interwebs.
And if you can figure out where I've hidden those numbers, I will give you one of the classic Marvel no prizes. Ooh, 32 and 72. What if I find it? I would then you get some over the pants under the table hand stuff. Okay, good. That's what I was hoping for. Wait, over the pants under the table. Over the table. Yeah, O T, no wait. Under the table over. No, it's under the table over the table. U T O T P H. That's right. That's exactly right. I knew what you meant. Under the table over the pants.
I knew what you meant. Every other fan just gets kudos. Scotty will get some of that. Yes. And you obviously have Jesse's and his blouse there too. I have these clean ones that were she dead. She wore for tasks and things. I'm okay. I also have one of these, the actual dials she's wearing. Wow. Well, she's wearing in the scene right now. It's covered in blood. And makeup right and it's honestly it's no gross to top up makeup. It is just that grossest thing I have. Well, you smell a little bit.
It can be yours. Yeah. Frame it. Frame it seal it in a glass frame. You won't be able to. If I were to go back, not anything, I would put a cliche puke in the face right here. Yeah, that's it. It is an intentional fake out of that. Because a lot of people thought she was going to bite his nose and stuff. But it would have been cool. Yeah. Like just black bile. I love this shot with her eyes getting all wide. And this is a great shot. Yeah. I think this is this is the picture of stuff.
Frame and yeah, I think this is where the bad shaking, but it's okay. This is this is this is the scene that had everybody on TikTok demanding Anna's only fans. I'm not sure. I think we'll see. Yeah, some of the picture. There goes a picture. Yeah, then the glass broke for real. Yes, broke on it now. I love. See, like, Jesse had lines in this, but a lot of this is on scripted for her too.
He's just like, she's really just going off with scripted stuff, but then her own kind of twist of yelling and tossing and turning and man, it's intense. Yeah, Jason, that's a good question. We have a question from the audience. Was she given slack with a rope to help her feel comfortable? And we know we wanted her to be plausibly down so that if she's rushed hard enough, she was limited. But you're right. We wanted some space because we wanted to relax.
I love that thing that's a little homage to evil dead too. Yeah, laughing, laughing, laughing, laughing light for sure. She's got a lot of slack there. Yeah. I don't remember her complaining about the ropes or anything. Yeah, she didn't mind us tying her up at all. Sorry. It's only the makeup and alcohol that there's used to wipe off the makeup. Nicholas wrote a lot of that stuff about sloppy seconds. He likes, he likes, like, that's just what it is. That's why he doesn't want to be on here.
He told me that he's like, come on. I just forgot about this till I barely noticed it in the background. You can't see it now, but previously the, you could see a little bit of the window and we had ice crystals put on the window as if it was freezing up. Yeah. I think you VFX in the movie. Yeah. You see it now? I didn't even notice that. Yeah, it's in the background. I, you can't see it now, but a little bit ago you saw like a partial bit of the window and it was iced over. Oh, wow.
I didn't even notice that. Wow. It's frozen the rest of the film if you see it. Okay. I'm reading real scripture out of the Bible. Tiny writing. That was good. I love that. The nail to the eye. That happened to be a little extra. I see it. I see the crystal now on the window. This nail in the eyes from a real exorcism I read about. Really? I'm really sitting there right now.
You're looking at, I'm writing this is what you're sitting at that night's then or the so you read about a nail being spit in someone's eye during a real exorcism? Yeah. I was reading about an actresses telling stories about like the crazy things that ever happened to him and he is like, I got a nail in the eye and I was like, shit, okay? That's true. Well, I don't remember when in his eye, but she spit a nail at him. Wow. I love this. I love this.
He took it to me that it's like this holy thing like the nails and Jesus's hands is kind of the idea. God. We, I know. I've mentioned this before during something, but Scottie and I did a film with Gabriel Bern and I was chatting with him one day just bringing up how I love Stigmata and I, that's an awesome movie. You know, it was freaky me out when I was younger.
Of course, he plays a priest in that and she's possessed and he said for that role, he shadowed an actual exorcist around a little bit and learned from him a little bit. And I just said, how is that like? Did you see some stuff and he, all he would say was that he definitely saw some things he could not explain at all. So I wish we would have had that luxury. Me and me and father, we in the big Scottie of gun and done that, learned, learned some stuff.
And he said, and I think he also said of hereditary that a couple of things occurred where he couldn't explain either on set. Wow. That's amazing. The demon was with him. I like, I like this sequence because you see them pouring the salt and in your head at a moment before I say it, you think yourself like seriously, what are they doing now? Like, it's cheesy, but then the character actually says, what the fuck are you doing? No, this is marketing.
I do want to, I do love that vanity shot through the mirror in that last, I wanted to say that. Oh, thank you. That's another one we planned out because we thought and the mirrors were put there on purpose to create that shot for us. It was crazy. I even love how the clock, which is in front of me right now, is moving in that shot. The carousel going around. That's really cool. Yeah. You have it right in front of you right now, huh? Nice. Jason Watts noticed smoke coming off with the Holy Water.
That's also one of the few CGI things. Yeah. Jason just give Danny an axe here. Give me an axe. Give me an axe. Or if you want to go up to the lesser film, you can give me a croquet, mallet. Yeah. You know, I can go a little nuts here. Yeah, the smoke coming off that happened. It happened once when we first saw Anna or the second time really when we went up with Father Matthews. That's the only VFX that happened a couple times and then you'll see at the end.
It doesn't give anything away, but there's a really cool shot where there's like a little almost spark from the Bible touching her head at the end. Yeah. That's what life ever shows to. It's like. And that was a VFX shot. It was sort of a flex, but when I was at Supercon, I asked the audience, when I was asking the audience for questions, they were asking questions and I asked them, what did you guys think of the CGI and the crowd was silent? Everyone was like, what CGI? What CGI?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. This way it should be, you know, it's just there to, you know, it's just there to like put a little frosting on top. But it's not, you know, Jason Watts says, probably a little flare. Rob would freak if he heard my Croquet Mally comment. I know. I know. It's forever a feud that will never end. Then. Yeah. We called him out on purpose with that. That was him. Yeah. Yeah. Rob, Rob, I think Rob knows that the original shining is the best.
He just likes to have a good argument always going. I heard the comment that this entire movie is Simon's fault. And it's so true. Yeah. Fucking Simon. That's the daughter. I can't tell you, baby center, you know, it becomes kind of clear later that like the demon has orchestrated a lot of this and brought these people here. I don't think he stood a chance that that little girl was getting away from. Yeah. No, yeah, for sure.
The more I watch this, the more I get away, the more I chuckle at my relationship with Simon. I was yelling at him and telling him, what the fuck? He's your work sidepiece, man. He's the younger dude. You know, this scene is where Rob would get embarrassed and leave the pot. Yeah. He'd be too embarrassed to watch this scene. This scene was, um, maybe too roused.
If I recall, if I recall Nick really wanted to see him in here and I think we said, are you sure about six times before like, yes, I made it to film. Was this, this was the last minute edition? Was it? No, he's always in there, right? Okay, that's right. He said he thought the movie needed some levity. I ended up liking it and baking it in a little bit. Oh, God. Yeah, I like the pattern when the Academy Awards. This was like the tenth take because they just kept making out. Yeah, yeah.
I think we did this in two takes. Yeah, that, um, a lot of the reviews were like, wow, that was at a left field. I think I saw left field like five times. That was at a left field. What the hell? Why was that in there? You guys should have found a third base. But I think when you get that reaction from the audience, when you hear that comment, you see that comment, that was at a left field like, yes, yes it was. Thank you. Yeah, exactly. For sure. Um, we got an awesome little mirror shot here.
It's supposed to make you feel awkward and like where the hell that go. It's a little dark on my screen, but you can see Jesse in the background there. That's a little in the makeup mirror. You can see that. I'm really, really, very few people mentioned this, this part. So I think it was missed a lot. I do too. So you saw, now you don't see her. Yeah, it was so quick. What were you going to say, Carmelo? Yeah, I was going to say it's almost like, maybe you don't notice she's in there.
What you notice is she's not there afterward. Yeah. So if she gets away from you, because it's dark, you definitely notice the figure had moved when when part of moves away. I do like how he just books it instead of like inspecting the bathroom door. Yeah. Like a normal horror movie would do. I saw it. Like a real horror movie runs away. This is my librarians work. Yeah, that's where you usually do the podcast from. Yeah. Library. And the lights would. So this is interesting.
This wasn't the way I thought about this at this time, but the lights go out. Well, first of all, there's someone to talk about here. I know Anna's in the window. Go on. Oh, no, it's in the window. Go back. Go back. There's the legs. Scotty and I are handing the legs, hanging on a post off from each other, standing on countertops right now. We're actually carrying the accident. No, no, no, no, we're we're we're handing the post to each way.
Yeah, they're handing the splash was a happy accident with his hand. And also last third, we're going to see we really overflowed Carmelo's sink and had to clean up everything in the cabinet underneath before his wife found out. Your whole entire kitchen was flooded pretty much. I'm still not sure she understands we did that. But but we really cleaned out the bottom of your cabinet there. It was nice and clean after that.
Yeah, no, but what I wanted to say and I wish maybe we would have leaned into this. Oh, this is our unintentional homage to Hellhouse LLC that we didn't realize until someone brought it up and said, I like the homage to Hellhouse LLC. Right. I was like, sure. But then I rewatched the Hellhouse LLC movies and it is sort of an obvious homage because they have the piano guy in it that recurs a couple times.
But anyways, this is something that was brought to our attention and I wish maybe we would have thought of it and actually leaned into it if we knew what I was going to turn out. But the lights go out and it's almost a little bit weird that he can't find anybody because we were just in that room in front of him. Yeah. And we would have naturally came out into the hallway.
So what a theory that someone else came up with was that, oh, like the lights went out and he almost possibly entered this ghost dimension from a lack of a distill from paranormal activity where he's there, but it's not the same like dimension. You know what I mean? Scottie just came out of the bathroom after Jack and off. Yeah, I was just blue balls. Yeah, exactly.
You know, that all turned out to be fun because Scottie's felt, joke that I loved was that he should have told me to be brought in sport coming out of the bathroom. Yeah, exactly. With the alternate dimension stuff, that's the kind of shit I love because I never once thought of it, but I loved that the audience watched it and felt something like that. And it's cool because it blacks out. No one's there. He turns around the things overflowing. You're like, what is he?
I almost maybe if we would have thought of it at the time, it might have been cool to lean into it and give it like a different hue and maybe like a, I don't know, some weird, it turned out fine. But I just it was cool. I think that's a cool idea. Or around it and you're just entering a different dimension or something. Yeah. Yeah. No. I've never been in the space. See people are like, why is he looking behind this? I've never been in this basement. I'm looking behind everything I can find.
You could be hiding behind anything. She could have morphed into a mouse and is hiding behind the. Can't have pain. Eight, eight. Oh, shit. There she is. Yeah. I love that. It came out good. Yeah, I get really good. So I know I saw her. She's down there. Not as good as the crawling coming up. Jensen, it was not a Wolverine graphic novel. It was the Wolverine Marvel Legends 5 pack. That was released there on the time. You're supposed to say that like this. That's right.
It's not a Wolverine County. And my girlfriend is in Hawaii. And for some reason, they just cranked up my breathing in this. I don't know why. That was another nice claw mark from Joe Castro. Yeah. I think as he's defending himself like this was this is going to matter in court. Yeah, like he needed to say that he's still, you know, might be more than a lawyer. He's going to be a lawyer. I like this line too. It's still good. Yeah. And I love it because I want the mystery of is she stiff?
Is she stiff? Is it not working because the demon they're dealing with? We find out it's not a typical demon or as the demon later said, which is none of you has any faith. God isn't here with you. You guys are just fucking losers. God's powerful, but he's not here. Yeah. I do look at what this exchange that just happened and now that this that follows it bolsters my character a little because I was just down there wandering around and not being a bitch about it.
You know, and got clod and then I also like how when he mentions my daughter's been found upstairs, I just immediately leave because that's what a father would do. Right. Of course. And yell back, just find out like fuck, quit being a bitch. Right. Yeah. It is funny. I can't be in a room unless I'm with people. I'm a man when I'm upstairs. No, you go through a transformation. You're through the process.
I breathe the task is to do in the scriptures, but when I'm by myself in a dark basement, I'm like, fuck no. This is some VFX to all a little admit the body. So I'm so glad we won with this. This bleeding Jesus. So that is in my family for a long time. That traumatized me as a kid. Well, that's my license plate. By the way, that's my Sam Raimi Easter egg. He was in senior as well. Oh, is that from the classic? Is that is that it's from my Subaru Forester? That was my chariot for like 10 years.
I have those paintings. They are also available on the Kickstarter. I don't know what you and your wife are did Christine do them or did you help her? She was like a art director. She did all the paintings and stuff. She did a great job. This weird ass painting came with all the furniture in this room that we bought from a storage unit. Oh, I have it. What? And it's on the Kickstarter as well, but that's always creepy. I think it's creepy. I don't know where the fuck that came from.
Hold on a second. You, when you bought the furniture, it was all in a storage unit. They just said take whatever's in there. Yeah, something really. And that was in there. And that was in there. Wow. And so is that that portrait of the actual demon. Of the actual people. Yeah, if you, if you, if you were at home, want to know what demon it is, there it is right there. There it is. You just passed it. And that's all for Kickstarter. Geez. I do like this crawl through coming up here.
This is me setting the camera down. I don't know if you guys. Well, I'm like looking the other way. Boom. There she goes. And that came out really good in one of the short clip trailers we made with like the breathing on top of it and the shakingness of the camera. It came through really cool. I thought. Yeah. Yeah, that was really good. I only wish I'd bought an opaque shower curtain to see what a best carrier. Yeah, I know. Anyone ever use that bathroom? Maybe she was behind there.
Right now that bathroom is entirely redesigned and is duck themed and that's where my son takes his baths. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't go down there because there's too many bugs in that basement. Well, I guess that's the only like tub basin you have like actual tub, right? Yeah, because your upstairs is like just shower basins, right? That's right. That's right. Okay. So yes, I took a shower in that bathroom. Did you? I did. I did.
Okay. See that shower curtain would have nice there. Yeah, we meet you shower down together. Remember? Yeah. It was after that potter scene. It was just there's a lot of tension. Yeah. I had a director. I like director. Come down here. No, you and potter needed only fans. Yeah. Still very quick out. Here comes one of our alternate key art cover photos that you might see here and there. Yeah. Yep. I just love the view from the past.
Marrow that that would be on time square playing on the billboard. It was not planned. It really snowed that night. It was really actively snowing at this time as you can see. It just turned out perfect. And I just need to get some air see how my breathing has stopped. Like God, so hot down there in that basement. We concluded a lot of evenings hanging out in that hot tub. That's true. And Nick actually did put his face in that water for quite some time.
Nick also slipped an eight shit around this scene, right? Yeah. It was it was the off camera. He was leaving and he slipped out ice and he came back with like a bruised lip or something. Yeah. This was the second take. It was the first take that he slipped and then we did it again. And this is the second takes where you see like. He slipped and his face something around. Yeah, and he brings that energy into this scene. I think it's a really good scene. Some of that bruising on his face is real.
It's from his fall. It's not at all. If you see the like right side of his face, it's like scratched up. That's from actually falling on the concrete. Yeah. Yeah. So I love my brother. I thought if I had a name, the weakest performance in the movie up to the scene with my brothers, I love this scene. This is not this great. I'm like, this is and this camera angle turned out great. It's excellent. The way the snow falls, all this is so cool. And it's different because I love this. I love this.
Oh, this is what I wonder if your neighbor over there was seeing any of this. Oh, yeah. In fact, we got that question. Did I give it any questions? No, I didn't hear anything from the neighbors. Oh, I see that Jason watched us ask that. Okay. Bourbon and cigars after a long night of filming. Yeah, you're right, Jason. I'm bourbon in a cigar and I have a list. I had a guy and a bourbon on this during this shoot. I actually had one last night. We had one last night. We didn't have a cigar.
Yeah. And with another buddy. I had a pipe. Nice. Yeah, I know you've been getting into that. Oh, yeah, I like the pipe. Smells so good. I haven't gotten that sophisticated yet. Yeah. We'll get there. Yeah. What was Jason Purcell saying about like a little boy running? He texted me that. He did, yeah. He's like, did you guys have a little boy running across the screen? I was like, yeah, no. No, no, no, no. That was in there too somewhere. This night, love. Oh, shit. This is great.
Yeah, this is great. So I'm not seeing any of this just like where she did. I didn't see any of that. Her makeup and everything just looked really good here and she's not in focus. She just helps everything looks awesome. You're out of turn this damn thing off. She's holding the real batteries out. She's holding the real dog at that where she was at the moment. And she's gone. Cut. Yeah. Now, Potter's holding the camera now, right? Yep. Jason's holding on him. Jason, you can. We can. You can.
He can. He can. He can. He can. He can. He can. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've got a special guest star for this next scene. That's the grossest thing you have, right? Oh, yeah. Another Joe Castro special coming up here. The dog blood balloon in it. Carmelo made this throw. Oh, there it is. I got it. Come on. Come on. Has it a bag? That's a good. I love this alien part where she's. This is my favorite shot. What are my favorite shots of the entire movie?
You have to have the Sam Raimi blood into his mouth shot. She, after she hits him in the head or snow, she blights my ear off here, which we didn't feature again, which I'm very mad about. And that was just me. We did. Oh, God. Of course, God, he had just his spitting his mouth again and again. That was freaking like syrupy food coloring sticky. It was sweet, but that doesn't taste too great. Oh, you can actually see the moment where we caused childhood trauma to Isabelle right here.
She is genuinely terrified. And after this scene, she did not want to shoot anything else. She was like, all right. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. You see that gash in my head that she did with a toy. Look at that shit, man. God. Yeah, I love the shots of you after that with the gash that Joe added to your head. Yeah. You might see my ear a little here, half my ear. Is it chopped off right here? I just love that. We didn't really feature it again. And I'm pissed.
Oh, and then she kicks all the Matthews because all the Matthews was holding the camera there. Yeah. So you're right, Danny. We should have shown the ear a little bit more at that. I know. And coming up, I'll tell you right where we could have easily done it. But this was a little bit. This was Joe having a little bit of fun. Would he have told you demolished his shin on that fall? I don't know, but Joe wanted to have some fun. So. Yeah. And I love it. So. Yeah. I don't know.
A lot of people asked me like who is holding camera? What how the hell did he, did he fall down the stairs? And like he's the worst cut. There was a cut. There it is. I love how Scotty looks in this whole sequence right here. It's so bad. It is awesome. The fall down the stairs was originally supposed to be a stuntman. And we lost the stunt people at the last second because they had to take a bigger job with like Chicago fire or something.
And Joe Castro to the rescue built a man out of pillows and soda bottles. Yeah. And we threw that down the stairs and you don't see very much of it, but you needed to see something. Yeah. And it works. It just worked. But then we also realized at the same time we did that, we could just flip the camera a couple times. Right. So I you could see my ear a little a minute ago, but it almost looked like just the hair was covering it. But in fact, half of the year is missing.
Yeah. And for eagle, I viewers, you'll notice that David's dark circle under his eyes. That gets progressively worse after each cut. Yeah. You get pretty good and cut. She was doing that too. How the camera angles were, you know, pretty head on for a lot of the movie. But now we're in this pretty like Dutch angle territory, which you don't overuse, right? But you want enough of it. These down the stairs shot are cool too. Yeah, yeah, I do like this.
Yeah, people tend to overlook the feet of prowess that he crawls up the rest of these stairs at the end of the movie. So right here, I should have been we should have just swapped sides and you could have seen my ear this whole time. Yeah, we should have done it here of directing them. Well, now we none of we were so in the groove at this time that we were just going, going, going, going. But you see that bar. Yeah, we did. Well, then you wouldn't be able to see the arm. That was the tradeoff.
You wouldn't see the arm if you saw the ear, you know, after that long first scene take, we did these little, these takes and relatively pretty quick. Yeah. A little bit of a flood there. I just closed the door with her in there and then it cut back and I was walking out of the door. But I could have just done a quick little peek back. Right. You know, I love the low battery right before they walk in for the ending. It's telling you, hey, this is it.
This is where I think she looks the creepiest in the whole movie. Me too. Is right here. We thought it was too much, but I think it's here. This isn't where it's too much. This is right where it's perfect. I love it. This is the creepiest. I think she looks the whole movie when they carry her and everything. So creepy. I think this sequence after it was a little too much in the moment, but it turned out okay. But I think this is the best. She looks the best right here. Right here.
Like right when you're looking up her face. Yeah, I was dead. And she's just like sad and then she fucking there's, there's the Bible spark. Yeah, there's the spark. No, this man, I was still worried, but man did that turn out. You know, that's when we had Joe redo her makeup. It took an extra 40 minutes. Jesse was really not having it. They got done redoing her makeup. I was like, I don't know. I think her face looks too puffy now. Oh, I remember.
Yeah. And we are all like, I don't know if we like this, but now we should just shoot it because we just took an hour to do it and ended up being all right. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a little more than that. Demon went off to see that Jason. Demon wind. Is that a film where a demon is passing gas constantly? Fear footage is another one of our commenters throughout during this livestream that I will check out short. Yeah, I don't actually think I've seen fear the fear footage.
I think I've seen it around a lot. One thing I did play with in the script that I did not make it in here is, um, the idea behind the kiss we were talking about earlier is all these characters have are their sexual sins are being played on by the demon or the sexual guilt. Yeah, we have a priest in the closet and of course, mother Matthews, we know. And the idea, so I had her tease him a little bit about being gay.
And it just came off as distanced flow in almost to homophobic and that's not what I was going for. So I put a lot of it. But you don't say, you know, she says enough about like all your dicks and hell or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they all had to have a fault and and his just had to be that he was a closet homosexual and we had to make that appearance somehow. It was that that fault of love. He's that I've had an affair. Matthews was a didler.
Right. But Potter again, to my point of him, maybe being the hero, Potter doesn't really. Yeah, he doesn't really, but he also doesn't maybe have the best faith because he's asking questions about faith. I love it. I'm here. Yeah, it's a good. I love this. I just think that that's one of the best that's the trailer free. The best effects of the whole movie's coming up and it's Scottie's thing coming up here. I just think it came out so good. I'm sure that.
I love how the battery turns red now 5%. Yeah, this is it. This is the final lap. Like, fucking, it's time. This guy, he just crawled up two flights of stairs. Three flights, three flights of stairs. I love how he's sweating and pale too. You. There it is. That's the demon as Modeus. I've got the circle appears right when he says that. The circle symbol. Well, there might do favor lines at the back. Oh, there it is. This is the best practical effect. I loved it. It looks so awesome.
Then you see his teeth. It's so. You know, like that stomach, like like groaning that you get when you get smashed like the nose like the face. Oh, you can't even breathe. You know, Oh, God. This is I can't believe we got her to do this. This is the last time she would ever be in the same room. That's her. That was a cut. We cut around that. I thought I thought for a second, she did this part. No. Okay, maybe. Yeah, we'll talk about that a little bit after after this climax here.
See. See a lot of people like wait, what? The book is being used as a weapon. This is the cardboard book that Joe crafted now is getting smashed on his face. Oh, and there's the net crack. So those are the fake cardboard legs I showed you. Those yes, those are fake cardboard legs because Isabelle would no longer be in the same room as Jesse. She was terrified. So everyone everyone. People have said this before. Yeah, Carmell's got the legs there.
You can get those off kick start, but you see those legs. The climax up until this evening was always meant to be seen. We were supposed to go. No, stop, stop. He stops me just in time. We can wrap it up what we're done, Danny. Yeah, talk about it when the movie says there's a cut the boot flies over the lens and there's a cut. Because there is a cut because as I was saying. She would not be in the same room. And we're always meant to see her get her next snapped by Jesse.
That's what you wrote wrote in there. And also, I've been telling money shot money shot scene. The money shot even up until this night. We were planning on shooting at that night, but she would not enter the same room as Jesse at this point. She was so terrified. And so we said there we waste. We said the play two and a half hours trying to figure out what the hell we're going to do. We decided just to do it off camera, the crack.
And now because Jesse is technically still laying on the bed at this moment. And then Jesse is not in the bed because you can't see her. Previous to this before my foot swiped and there was a cut. She got us it up. Yeah, she. And this was this is meant to be awkwardly long, like unrecomptively. Oh, because the battery is finishing running out. Yeah, it sells the fact. Oh, there it is. Love it. Love the effect shot. I love that look of her mouth just opening wide. Yeah, so yeah. And the bad guys.
So so again. We got her in the room to sit up because Jesse wasn't in there, but before the boots swiped fast. We couldn't get her in the room. So those record board legs sitting there to show that she was and we couldn't get the next snap because of that reason as well. So a couple of you people that have commented saying like they didn't even show the next snap. Well, shame on you for wanting to ruin a little girl's life even more. Yeah, she would not do it.
We tried and pleaded with her and pleaded. We almost got my three year old daughter at that time to come do it, but she she would have been more traumatized. So it's like no. Most of you who think I suck, by the way, I'm still friends with her mom and she tells me how good she's doing. How much she wants to be in a sequel and she's loving it. Yeah, she tells her friend. She's a movie star and stuff and she talks like, you know, I was not sat in everything.
So we did not leave her with bad memories. We love it. She had great memories and there could be a sequel. Grace is whereabouts remain unknown. Everyone's alive still basically tells you everyone's at the side of the right. And it's funny like she was at the little we had a little like cast party at the very end. And Isabelle was eating pizza. We were laughing. So it was a good time. Really good time filming this. Yeah. I love this silent credits.
We purposefully used absolutely no music in the whole film. That's always nice. We did the same thing with she walks the way back when just also for stylistic purposes and for non paying of licensing purposes. That's true. Well, thank you for watching everyone. Yeah, thank you guys. Thank you. I just saw Jason's comment here. He said the guy running past was earlier in the movie is a part of the camera shadow. That went from side to side. Oh, the watch. Yeah, I'll check that out. Thanks guys.
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