324: Zombie

Welcome to The Cult Classic Horror Show. Every week you can have the conversations you've always wanted to have about the films you love. Get rid of your distractions and prepare yourself. Welcome, welcome everybody to The Cult Classic Horror Show, Danny Bohnen here with you guys. We have been trying to schedule this episode for three weeks straight now, no joke. We're behind on releasing it. We've been trying to do biweekly lately. It should have been released three

weeks ago. It has been rescheduled at least twice and we just had to do it when we see who can make it. We thought Rob might make it. Maybe he's still a little hop in. We'll see what happens. Here we are. He's been down in the swamps of Tallahassee picking up some extra headwork and work for his work. Helping his parents out a little bit. He's been busy in the swamps for the week and not a lot of time on his hands. Before we jump into zombie, zombie, zombie,

I'm so excited. Let me tell them recording. We just got back from Horror Hound Weekend. War round, man. It was fantastic. What a great time. Now I'm sort of wishing we stayed the whole time. We flew in. We flew in Carmelo Drovein and we had a screening of Name the Demon, which is coming out October 4th once again. It went great, guys. Don't you? It was almost fun. It was hard to know how people are going to perceive your film.

When we got the final cut of this movie, I was sort of in my gut. I'm like, okay, this is probably the best movie on a low budget level we've made. I'm not sure. It's been sitting under wraps for so long and now people are starting to see it. We've just been getting the most non-stop, positive feedback ever. Now it's made me just super excited about everyone seeing it. Yeah. I'm countless influencers and reviewers and trailer reactions are coming out and everyone's

really freaking out over it. I was telling someone the other day, look, I made it. I know what goes into a horror movie. I put that in the movie, but it doesn't scare me because I did it. The same scene that I know what's happening. Someone else watches it and they're like, holy shit, that was terrifying. I'm like, okay, I guess it worked. You don't know if it jokes funny unless the audience laughs. It's like that.

Yeah, it's been awesome. The feedback. Carmell and I guess it on behind the streams podcast the other week, which is the guys here run Supercon, the which Carmell will be going to next in a week or two. Two weeks because we're all going to be in Chicago next week. If any of you guys listening, want to come watch the movie in Chicago, let us know and we'll put you on the list. It's a private premiere. All the b-screen. 9-18. 19. 19.

Thursday the 19th. Yeah. Thursday the 19th. We should let us know soon because it is, we sold out the theater once. So we got a bigger theater and now that's almost sold out. There's already over a hundred people coming. So yeah, I gotta be careful. Yeah, but I cannot wait now for you guys who are listening to see the film, even if it's not until it comes out October 24th on Amazon, Google iTunes, wherever you can rent movies. Can't wait for you guys to see it. So yeah,

it's gonna be fantastic and we're gonna do nothing ahead of ourselves. We're gonna do an episode next time to talk about the movie and our experience filming it and give you guys some teasers about it. And if everyone likes it and is interested, we'll maybe we'll even do like a live commentary one day. We'll see. Yeah, I think we're on track for that to be actually our next episode after this because yeah, normally we'd be releasing one. Yeah, I'm like the first. Yeah, so it'll come

out right before the movie, hopefully, you know, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Some Easter eggs before the movie that you guys can tune into before you even watch it or or after you watch it. Yeah, yeah, either way. And then yeah, we will do a live commentary later in the month of October, maybe for our Halloween special. Oh, interesting idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of funny, Carmel. You're

you were saying how you don't get scared, you know, like I was watching it with you guys. And my heart was thumping because I was like nervous and excited at the same time watching it in the screener room, the world premiere in Cincinnati at Hoorown. And but I was telling you guys, the night before we flew down from Denver to Cincinnati to Cincinnati, I had like a nightmare about named the demon because I was like, I think it's not the movie this night.

Like a pretty good nightmare. I couldn't sleep and I woke up like freaking out a little bit. And it wasn't about named the demon, but I was thinking about it. So I think I put that in my head. It's like, yeah, it's one of those. It is one of those to finish what I said before, the the streams from the basement guys said that they had to check every room before they went to bed that night after they watched it. It was put them on edge. So it's getting your great feedback.

I'm very excited. You guys going to watch it. Yeah, we're definitely proud of it. I think it's I think you guys are going to, but you like Hoorown, we like Hoorown. I think you like guys will love it. Sure. Hoorown was great. There's so many talented vendors there. Awesome shirts, films, Carmella got some goodies. We got some kids. We got the kids, some horror t-shirts. It was awesome. Yeah, that was a great time. I look forward to future horror conventions because it was a real blast.

Yeah, we may have to booth at them sometime, you know. Be fun. Actually, I think we've got shirt designs and we can do a live podcast and stuff. We can sell our films that we have so far. Yeah, that's a great idea. You know, we can come up with all kinds of stuff to feature at the booth. Oh, yeah. That's a good way to reach, you know, the hardcore fan base, right? Yeah. Carmella thoroughly offended Tom Atkins.

No, Carmella was breaking Tom Atkins balls then actually he broke your balls at the very end there. Yeah, my balls were broken. He covered a jagged off twice. He didn't call you jagged off. Yeah, he got a face to face. Uh, Carmella asked Tom Atkins if he indeed did or did not fuck a robot in, uh, Halloween 3. And he did use the word fuck a robot and there were nine year olds in the front row. Which we did looking lovingly up at Tom Atkins.

We were the, for the, uh, I should have known and I told him this. I should have known that he was a beloved children's hero and that there would be a lot of young people in the audience. The horror hound weekends night at the creeps panel. The best part about it was that Tom Atkins is basically deaf now because he's 80 some years old and five. Uh, and so Carmella asked the question over the microphone to the panel.

Tom Atkins didn't hear a thing which then, uh, I think Jessica Whitlow was her name from night of the creeps had the lead over to then repeat in the Tom Atkins year. Did you fuck a robot in Halloween 3? He was the human, the human that he did not in fact fuck a robot. That it real woman with real woman parts, I think he said. Yeah, he did. He was animated with his with his with his with his with his answer though.

He was. Yeah. But the best part is that we ran into him on the convention room floor afterwards. And he called Carmella a jack off twice and but then lovingly he was joking about that. He was. He was and then lovingly, uh, Kata Puss again and told us some random stories from his past. Yeah. So it was great. It was so funny like we're walking by him and he but like we pointed at me. He did. Like he's like, he pointed at Carmella before we can even walk over there. You look oh shit. Oh man.

I'm really good. Yeah. It was so. Yeah. So, uh, it was great. We met Tom's. The meeting and Tom's a VD looked like he just wanted to get the hell out of there. But we we talked to him for a minute. Yeah. It was it was a good time for sure. So, uh, all right. So anyway, so if you guys are in Chicago next week, let us know. Come watch the movie. Come hang out with us.

If you are in Sioux Falls, South Dakota the week after, let us know you can come hang out at Supercon and see name of the demon there if you would like. So yes. And we might do a Debra premiere too. And if you're randomly in Toronto, Canada the week after that, you can see it at Toronto Indie Horror Festival, which none of us will be at. But it will be there.

Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, we'll do, uh, we're doing a Q&A and then even I think we're even going to go out like drinking afterward in Sioux Falls after the. Yeah. I'm not I'm still trying to see if I'm. We'll see. You know, let me know when I get a long drive. I know. I'm driving now. Are you going to drive? I just can't justify flying when it's expensive. Yeah. Well, they're expensive, but it's like a six hour flight with a layover somewhere. It's like, we have eight hour drive.

It's like an eight hour drive and then like, I think, uh, safe, safe like $300. Drive. Yeah. It never was a while, but it's not too bad if you break it up a little bit. I mean, this places a stop along the way, you know. Yeah. All right. All right. Zombie. Lucio. Lucio's zombie. Yeah. No, no, man. We've been waiting to cover this. Uh, yeah. Pretty good. Actually, huh? Yeah. What do you think? Yeah. Do you think? I think Carmelo.

First of all, it had a lot of that Italian film, Charm, you know, the, that same like spaghetti western bad dubbing kind of, you know, but yeah, it was good. It was like, uh, it was generally well acted. But I mean, the plot was, uh, engaging and the, the kills were really cool. And there's some good zombie action. I liked the, uh, some of the opening shots of New York, like, give the movie a sense of scale.

And the ending that the twit, not a twist ending, but there was a good ending that I thought, I was like, oh, that's, that's really solid. As zombie was fun, I wouldn't even watch it again, I think. Yeah. It was pretty good. Yeah. What do you think, can I be? Yeah, I mean, I thought to piggyback on that, I thought the only thing that held it back was the dubbing, but I knew it was an Italian film going into it. So I knew there would probably be dubbing.

And, um, obviously that's kind of the charm of it too. The voice doesn't match up. The mouth doesn't match up with the words and stuff. And that's fine, whatever. Um, I kind of like the early 80s music, like the synthesizer, and everything too, that gives it some old school charm too, for sure. Um, but yeah, when it's really got into it, and it's some great kills, great effects, from for being practical.

And my favorite part was actually for shooting in what, 78 or 79, came out in 79, so they probably shot in 77 or 78. Um, the underwater shots were really good with the underwater scene. So that was, that really surprised me for, um, for, you know, for the lower budget. And, uh, being almost, you know, like a 80s, 80s B, B, B horror movie. So, but yeah, I like it. Like, like you said, I would watch again. We, we, we saw some cool merchandise at the horror house.

Uh, Paul Berk. Paul Berk. Paul Berk, press had the most awesome zombie shirt I've seen. I don't really wear graphic tees, but I almost bought it on the spot just to have it. Uh, so shout out to them. Uh, God, it was, it was a bad. And, you know, the best like eyeball that like wood splint going into the eyeball. Uh, for, for the, um, the guy that was an actor's wife, the guy. Yeah. So that, that was really cool graphic. Yeah. What do you think? Yeah, I thought it was good.

Um, the, yeah, the dubbing was a little in the way I actually think. And I can't recall. There's been a movie or two that we, I think we've covered or maybe I, it was a different genre that I watched where there is dubbing. But actually some of the actors are speaking English and some are not. And I think that was the case with this film as well. I think that you can look at them and tell that a couple of them were actually speaking English and saying the words that were still dubbed. Right.

But, uh, but then some of them definitely weren't. So yeah. And I think that's what happens with some of these Italian films as they would cast English or American actor, yeah, who might have more international appeal or notoriety. And then hired a lot of the other parts local, right? And then, but then you have to redo the entire audio track anyway. And it's almost like they don't care or it's too hard to match it. Like it's just a, it's a bad ADR for the English actors.

But for everyone else, it didn't matter anyway. Yeah. Cause it's like they weren't paying attention to it. To the lips. It may have been like New York Ripper or something else that was Italian that we covered. Or that your, I love Susperio did or not. But yeah, it was similar where some was dubbed, some was. Yeah, I think like New York Ripper and pieces. I think we're both Italian, Jell, homes into that.

So I always, I actually wrote down the line, the very first line of the light, the coast guard comes on the boat and he says, the boat can leave now. Tell the crew and you can tell someone just, some, I said that all monotone and it did not match up. Yeah. Yeah. Close to what the guy lives. It was like, oh, whatever. That's cool. Uh, I like to besides that though, there was some good kills. Um, then yeah, it was, it was pretty good. So they had the old land rover Rob's not here to talk about it.

They had that awesome old land. Oh, yeah, they were trying to be real. But they stupidly drove into the tree for some reason. I know. Yeah. Um, well, let's get, I guess we usually do the snops as before the numbers, right? So let's, um, you want to do just a quick run through. I know you watched this like three weeks ago. Yeah, it's been trying to schedule this for so long.

It was a little while ago and I don't remember all the names, but uh, the, so the gist of it is this uh, ghost ship shows up in, in New York in the New York harbor. And uh, Coast Guard tries to figure out what's going on. There's a, a zombie on board. It kills one of the patrolmen. Um, but the, the owner of the boat, nowhere to be found.

His daughter and comes looking for him, uh, along with a journalist, Peter West, and they realize that uh, that his, he was on some island that uh, um, and contracted some disease. He sent a good bi letter, but then it was never heard of again. So they take off for this island. They, they hook up with a pair of, uh, of travelers who are on a sailing trip anyway. And they, they hitch a ride to this rather remote island, uh, where this crazy doctor Minard is experimenting with zombies.

He's experimenting with like voodoo rituals and, and the creation of zombies and trying to find like a scientific explanation. Um, but it's, it's spreading. Um, the movie is not much more complicated than that. Um, the group is attacked by zombies on the island while trying to find the aunt's father who is in fact dead. He was a zombie. Minard keeps putting them down. He does his best to put them down as they, they raise. He's kind of a scumbag. You get the impression.

Yeah. Maybe doing this on purpose to, to people. Um, certainly the father. I don't know if they ever really wrap that up or explain that, but it's kind of hinted. You try to find the virus to cure it or something, but they want to cure it. Yeah, yeah. It's made out like trying to like, to run zombies. Um, and then they all have a great, uh, great big fight in the hospital there.

And finally at the end, and Peter are able to escape on their, their boat, only to learn over the radio that New York is now overrun by zombies because of the original attack. Um, and, uh, yeah, so that's, that's zombie. And it's the ghost ship that showed up and had a zombie, you know, the bit one of the cops and, and then got shot overboard. And so it was, you know, it was never spoken of again, but then obviously it's brand new.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's not clear if like, like I thought maybe the zombie washes a shore because he doesn't get shot in the head. He just like falls overboard. But also the patrol man gets like taken to the morgan attacks. Like the, the morgan workers. So maybe it's both. I mean, like, yeah, but it's just, it's really cool how that, that comes back around at the end. They're like, oh man, no one's going to believe us. No one's ever going to.

Yeah. And it's on the radio and it's like, yeah, no, it's off their already screwed. I think I bet that very end. That was like the kind he was the kind of the one that like led the charge and like chopping the zombies and getting the gun. And of course he got bit. I know. And girlfriend, his girlfriend did it, man. Yeah. Just blew her head off. He couldn't, he couldn't kill her. Yeah. Wow. And it has some like, it has like some dot like dawn of the dead fields too kind of for it.

Like because they like run ramp it after all that. Obviously they take over the mall and stuff. But, um, yeah, here's some numbers. If you guys want. Yeah. Um, numbers, uh, budget. So this was in Italian lira. It was 410 million. I tell you, I tell you, Lira budget. Um, that, um, that goes. That's a 234,000 in US dollars. Um, back. I heard that. 277, 78, 79, whatever. And then, um, the box office was 3 billion, Lira in Italian. But that equates to 1.9 million in US. So they made it good.

They made it profit on it. I mean, 234,000, 1.9 million. That's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, not bad. Okay. Well, yeah, let's get into this thing. We have Tissa Farrow, who is, uh, a related to me, a Farrow, I assume. Yeah. As Anne Boll's Ian McCullough is Peter West, who's really trying to hold onto that hair that he's got. Yeah. Uh, Dr. Monard Richard Johnson. So no one really of, uh, too much note, but the list goes on. Uh, yep. Dr. Farrow is her sister. Okay. That is confirmed.

Uh, directed by Lucio Fulci, aka the godfather of Goor. A little bit about him for a second. Fulci was born in Rome in 1927. He dropped out of medical school to pursue a career in film. He worked as a screenwriter and assistant director with names like, uh, with that I don't really know. But if you're an Italian cinephile, maybe, uh, Steno and Ricardo Freda before releasing his debut feature, I Laudry in 1959.

Uh, but his most notable film, notable films include the Gates of Hell trilogy, as well as massacre time. Uh, one on top of the other, be a trist, censy, elizard in a woman's skin, don't torture duckling. I mean, there's a lot that I've never really heard of. The New York Ripper, we covered that. Yep. He did beard Ripper. Yeah. That was a lot. So, um, yeah.

So while Fulci's, while films like Zombie 2 garnered, well, technically, and we'll get to that, Zombie 2 is the technical name of it in Italy. Yeah, I was wondering that. Yeah, uh, because they're trying to make it a, sort of a sequel to, uh, Nidale living dead without, stealing Nidale living dead. Yeah, Italian copyright law allows you to market any film as a sequel to another film. So really, yeah, release a dead back that anyway. So that's what happened.

This was like supposedly unofficial sequel to Nidale living dead. I saw maybe, maybe this is different, but Wikipedia says serve as sequel to George Erramello's Dawn of the Dead. Or maybe it was Dawn of the Dead. So what, yeah. So Dawn of the Dead, or at least it can be in it. Yeah, no, it is. So I'm about to get there. According yet, Zombie 2 is marked, marketed to European audiences as a sequel to George Erramello's Dawn of the Dead. Yeah, there it is. Which was released as Zombie in Italy.

So oh, really? Okay, so that's what? Yeah, it Italians knew Dawn of the Dead as Zombie, ZOMBI. And this was then released in Italy as Zombie 2, ZOMBI 2. It was just a year later because yeah, $78, this was $79. So yeah, interesting. Yeah, yeah. So we'll move on to production. So producer for Breitzio Day and Jettis. I can't do it. Maybe Kermitl can do all the Italian accents. Breitzio Day. Ah, I don't know. Like Mario accents. Fabrizio, Gay Angelus. Originally wanted Enzo Gique Castellati.

To direct the movie. But Castellati. Almost culturally sensitive episode yet. Oh my goodness. You can just say that's gonna blue card American. Believed he wouldn't be the right fit for a horror film. So he turned down the offer. Day Angelus then turned to his second choice, Lucio Fulccio. Screenwriter Dardano Satchetti. You have to say that with an accent. You have to say Satchetti. Satchetti. Satchetti. Sardano, what a name, Dardano. Yeah, Dardano Satchetti. Satchetti. Satchetti.

That's a strong name right there. Yeah, that's right. Well, he said that a screenwriter, Dardano Satchetti, said that he wrote the script with the intention of returning to classic zombie tales. He began working on it in July of 1978 with the title of Nightmare Island. Despite the violence and gore Satchetti. It wasn't really setting out to make a horror movie. What he really wanted to write was an adventure story with a horrific setting.

The result was a dash of Robinson Caruso mixed with a heavy sprinkle of voodoo magic and exposed organ. I can see that. Well, in December of 1978, Variety Films gave the script the green light and a new title. Zombie 2 was marketed to European audiences. Again, sequel George Marrow's Don of the Dead. Zombie 2 in Italy. Yeah, so interestingly, Fulcci's Zombie 2 was written before Don of the Dead was even released. There's no link to Romero's film as we've seen.

It doesn't really take it into consideration at all. But when the producers realized how successful Don was, they added opening and closing scenes set in New York to tie the two projects together. Damn. So that was... Well, we've gotten to it actually really cool, though. So I'm pretty cool. Yeah, it did. Yeah, I added a lot. Yeah. That must be why it earned several times its production cost back then.

Yeah. So Dario Argento, who actually produced Romero's Don of the Dead, I guess, was less than pleased with the idea. He filed a lawsuit and attempted to have Fulcci's movie confiscated. When they went to court, Team Lucio's lawyer argued that the word zombie could be found in 18th century texts, and therefore was not an original word subject to copyright. It was a convincing argument, and it ultimately won the case for Fulcci and the Angeles. Oh, good.

Does that sound legit, Carmelo? I don't know. Yeah. So in copyright and trademark law, copyright exists to protect original works of creative expression. So there has to be original. So if it does kind of predate you, then you're not really... You didn't really create it. In America, you can't copyright things as short as a title.

So like, for example, the movie Star Wars is copyrighted, but Star Wars is trademarked, which is different, because it's meant to signal the origin of goods or services. So the question is, can you trademark something like zombie? And what happens is you have things like Band-Aids or Kleenex that, or escalators is a big one. Esculator was a trademark name, but now that's just what we call them. And what happens is it becomes genericized.

So once it's genericized, you can't get the trademark protection anymore. It's like no one even remembers what us, so ladies were called now. I know. I don't know them. By any other name. I don't even. That was a brand. And it was crazy. It was a brand and they lost the trademark. Yeah. Now we all know about Kleenex and Band-Aids, but like, escalators is one that's so, become so genericized, we just accept it. Well, you should. Yeah. Yeah. So... Moving stairs. Yeah, I guess. I guess.

It's like electronic moving. You can't say escalate. That's so crazy. Yeah. So, you know, Donbys probably the same thing. And it doesn't sound like it was that argument, because it's under Italian law, but it's a similar concept is that, you know, if you have a title like Don of the Dead, you could trademark that. You could put on shirts and you can sell it. If the movie, your movie is called Zombie.

If your movie was called Vampire, you probably aren't getting trademark or copyright protection for it, because it's too generic. It is. Yeah. Totally. We don't even have to have a segment called Phone and Attorney because there's one on the show. Yeah. I'm not going to talk to you. We had the photo of the nurse or the doctor. Yeah. Phone and the nurse. Well, on the nurse. That's right. Oh, yes.

Well, well, during pre-production phase, writer, Dardano, such a- Yeah, he's such a- Well, the grief and unexpected loss weighed heavily on his mind, and he ultimately asked for his name to be removed from the credits. So having just confronted the idea of death in his personal life, he no longer wanted his name attached to the film, where the dead walked him on the living only to be killed the second time. So they missed out on having such a- He had the credits. That was too bad.

So filming took place from June 11, 79 to July 6, 1979. According to several cast members, Fulcci was extremely difficult to work with. Oh, man. Yeah. When a fan asked Richard Johnson what his first impression, now Richard Johnson played, let me just- Dr. Bitterd. Dr. Minard. Minard. Well, yeah, Minard. Yeah, yeah, okay. Minard. Minard. Yeah. So when a fan asked Richard Johnson what his first impression of Fulcci was, he responded with, people's first impressions of Lucille were varied.

Some people loved him, and lots of people, maybe not as many people loved him. Those people were afraid of him. Okay. Yeah, Johnson went on to recount a time where Fulcci became so angry with an actor. He threw himself on the ground and started eating handfuls of dirt while saying, I eat either the earth or I eat you. Jeez. That's frustration right there. Goodness. I can just see Carmella doing that when he's frustrated with us on the set, see? Yeah. Oh, he did not.

Except he just grabs the nearest cock and shoves it in his mouth. I eat this cock right here. He just put my pants open, man. Yeah, I mean, that's all I got Scotty to perform for name the demon. I just, yeah. I'm going down on him. Yeah, even. Sometimes you just got to sacrifice to him. Because I get that performance. I will listen to what you're saying. And he finally got me to do it. Yeah. Exactly. That's very true. Now, Al Cliver, who played Brian Hall in the film.

And then again, I watched this three weeks ago. Now forgetting all these characters. And Brian was the guy that was my favorite that died from his girlfriend. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's all right. His girlfriend, who anyone noticed, loved running around naked in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and she's stupid. That'd be nudity. And she loved the scuba dive naked with just just like a little G-string on, man. God. The little nudity there had to be gore. You know what? A little off topic.

I've blasted when we covered Night Beast and the guy that played the doctor. We talked about him and his little crush on the girl in the movie. But he talked about, he kept bringing up the point that this movie like had gore. Like we had to have gore. And I think it sounds silly to us now. But at that time, whatever they made Night Beast 80, or whatever it was, 80, whatever. And I think that was fairly new. And so you had to have it for audiences to clamor to your horror film.

Like gore was new with Friday the 13th, the original. And all these, you didn't see all these graphic kills before that. So that was interesting. I know that there was extra-sistant stuff slightly before. Well, actresses was early 70s, right? So, but again, you're not seeing these gruesome kills in it. But anyways, Al Cliveurs said, Fulci was known to treat women badly on set. And he's quoted as saying, he really hated women, especially the Bimboists. He hated this kind of woman.

And he was violent with his words and all of his power as a director. And he even humiliated them. I don't know why. I know he had a very difficult personal history with all the women in his life. So maybe it was for this reason. Oh my goodness. Yeah, I see some little dick energy. Yeah, it is. I guess- I never worked that. Did you just hate women? Because they got like broken up with in high school. And they're like forever hate women. I don't know. Maybe so. And then he became a director.

And now has these like porn stars he can boss around at a whim. Yeah, right. Exactly. Wow. Yeah, so. But Ian McCollough described Lucio Fulcias having great respect for the English actors such as himself and Richard Johnson. But that he shouted a lot. It seemed to me that he always had to pick on somebody. I've always described him as a bully. And that's what I think he was. And he quote. Like this.

Yeah, I guess, you know, back in the late 70s, you could be a you could be a bully and they they apply. He just took it. But nowadays it's, you know, they're right away. It wouldn't fly. Yeah. I mean, most of the extras in the film had no cinema experience. And Lucio Fulcias would get angry with them if their performances weren't realistic enough or didn't quite match his vision. I'll be the exit. Those coast guards.

Yeah, well, for example, all the entrails were made from animal organs, which is. Fuck you. Geno De Rossi's wife was a chef. So she cooked the organs to make them safe for human consumption. Oh, God. The problem the extras were totally grossed out and would try to spit the meat out between tasks. Lucio demanded that they swallow it instead because that's what an actual zombie would do. It's fucking nuts.

Fuck. They've made animal entrails, quote unquote, safe to eat and are expecting the extras to actually eat them. I mean, what are we talking about? Are we talking about like a cow? We talk about like a dog or are we talking about? I don't know. Like if it's like like steak, I mean, okay, but like if it's like the fucking they just go, they just went like killed like a horse in the back and it's like it's like half like cooked. Oh my God. I mean, it's just nuts.

Geno De Rossi was in the makeup department, by the way, if you're wondering. So this is life. I was actually surprised. The makeup looked, I mean, compared to like I'm like comparing it to the dawn of the dead, like no offense to George Ero-Maro down the dead, but I thought the makeup in this might have been a little bit better. Like, I don't know, it just seemed, obviously like the close-up shots of for some of those ambies you had to make up had to be on point.

But for even some of the ones that were like walking, and staggering, and like groups, this is the makeup was pretty good for this. Yeah. Now, well, here's something a little bit about what I was talking about already with the dubbing English, the Italian. So half the cast only spoke English while the other half spoke only Italian. To solve the problem, the directors would shoot the movie without sound, and then record a few dialogue tracks in different languages.

However, since the actors were either speaking different languages are trying to say their lines phonetically, it's nearly impossible to synchronize the dub perfectly, obviously, someone speaking Italian. Yeah. You're trying to dub English and vice versa. There's people speaking English, and they probably dubbed Italian. This was an Italian release first, of course. Yeah. Yeah, so it's my pain in the ass there. Oh, man, I couldn't imagine.

Like the Americans dubbing Italian, and then the clients for dubbing the American, you know, are English, not American, but English to Italian. I don't think they were American. It was British actors. Yeah, British. I saw the English actor. Dr. Mettard was Maynard, whatever was Scottish. Yeah. So, wow.

Okay. Also, makeup artist, Jeanetto De Rossi, once again, applied the zombie special effects in several layers and stages, which prompted the full sheet to begin referring to the extras as walking flower pots. Oh, okay. Most of the makeup was achieved with simple materials like clay and tomato sauce. Really? You leave it to an Italian team to just use tomato sauce for blood effects on the zombies. Yeah. Keep putting on that clay. Clump them more on the end. More tomato sauce.

My wife, she's got the tomato sauce at home. Yeah, leave. Snap it on there. They made a whole pot of tomato sauce. But it's not tomato sauce, Carmelo, right? It's gravy. That's right. That's right. Not as gravy. Exactly. Gravy, just like pizza's pie, right? Right, right. Exactly. I can't believe they use tomato sauce. That's like as... Well, of course they did. They have it in abundance. Yeah. Yeah. Carmelo's dad made some Italian gravy while we were over at his place.

Shoot name the demon, right? Did he made that pasta? That's right. Yeah. His homemade Italian gravy. Yeah, that was one thing about name the demon, man. We had some first-rate craft service. Dude, we had some great food. The Giadatta's pizza. Yeah. He had homemade pasta. Jesse was a little out of luck being a vegetarian. But, you know, we still supply some. Yeah. Yeah. The gyms, gyms, all Italian beef. There's no room on an Italian set for gluten-free vegan people to be eating.

Yeah, there's really not. Carmelo made a good... You made the good tomato sauce, too, just like your dad's recipe, man. Yeah, you know, it's my blood. I just, you know, I just know how to do it. So... And then, you know, I have to tell you because if we ever are doing a horror movie and we run out of big blood we're about some... Pasta sauce. Pasta sauce. Now we know. I'm making by the stock. This is all these. I freeze it in quartz for whatever. Do you really?

I'll just want to make it a quick fix. You know, sometimes you make it. Do you have some frozen right now? Sure do. Really? Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Nice. Yeah. Are we going to have... Would you like some next week? I wonder what we're having when we go out there. We got to... We got to... There's so many things to have that we're not there long enough to have the things we need to have. It's true. Yeah, I couldn't possibly feed you all the Chicago to treats now. No. One visit now.

No, not happening. We always like to go to counties though. Yes, counties. Oh, I think we have time for that. Yeah, we can... We may have time for that, but... Oh, counties pizza. So anyway, as the zombies were modeled after the voodoo legends from places like Haiti and the Caribbean, which gives them a unique sort of look. Unlike most zombie films before it, the undead in this movie walked with their heads down, their eyes closed, and their arms dangling at their sides.

It's also one of the first films that presented zombies as fully rotting gruesome corpses. And they are. They're like those... They're more traditional, very, very slow moving zombies. But I did think of it... If you guys noticed, most of them had their eyes closed, and that was probably just... Yeah. I'm guessing that was to save on effects and contacts and things like that, but maybe he truly just wanted them to have their eyes closed.

Yeah, maybe looks a little more real creepier with the eyes closed, not as cheesy too. I don't know, but it was. It was just sort of weird. It was like, oh, they all just have their eyes closed. A few of the zombie actors were brothers. They looked so similar even in full makeup that many people assumed they were all played by one person. Oh my goodness. You guys are rather prominent. We're lucky that we don't look alike. So yeah.

Yeah. Of course, you put some zombie makeup on us and some beta sauce and the clay we might look alike. Maybe. Yeah. You know, we sound alike. Sort of. It's got a little bit of a deeper voice. A little bit deeper voice. But then I have like, I have a slightly bigger penis, so that's how that... Yeah. That's how that works. I get lower and sexier voice as a piece of it. It's bigger. I will say, Scotties are more surprisingly much rougher lover. Danny is a more generous lover than you do.

Yeah. I really... Like a jackhammer. I think of your mom. I'm really... Maybe. I'm really... I think of your well-being. I like it. That's right. Danny wants to know you're enjoying it. Scotty just uses you to get... Dude, I use you. Pull your hair. I mean, I have no hair to pull. I take advantage of the hair. I can pull. That makes a long sound. Yeah. Well, stuntman and actor, uh, Otevino Del Acqua. I... Otevino Del Acqua. I think that's Italian. Wow. That's sad.

Who... Yeah. Well, he played the famous Warren I. D'Zombie. So he's a poster. Yeah, exactly. Oh, it's so good. It's a good one. Yeah. It's a very long poster, man. He said the basic zombie makeup took about an hour for moral aberrant scenes with close-up shots of wormy, wormy, I guess, is, you know, this pet zombie name. He could expect to be in the chair for at least three to four hours. Those worms did stay stuck there for just... Dude, those are like real... Oh, the time.

The old lady worms, man. I bet they were. Like... Yeah. So just before filming the special effects crew would have... Would hand sew the worms together like it grew some garland then attach them to the mountains of clay covering his face. Oh, man. And then... And just teeth and stuff. I'm... I'm looking at it right now. It looks freaking really good. It was... I mean, it's the cover shot. It's great.

Yeah. The fake blood contained a small amount of ammonia, which was meant to prevent it from changing color. It often dripped into the actor's mouths and they would quickly spit it out when the cameras were off. Chees. Chees. This stuff you can't get away with these days was the golden age of filmmaking. When you could be rate women and put ammonia in actor's mouths and make to meet entrails. Yeah. Literally make them eat cooked for safety, animal entrails. Yeah. Who knows what that even means?

Like what they're reading, man. Yeah. I would have talked to like an extra on this movie set if they're still around. Well, when makeup artist Rosario Presto Pino... Sorry, I'm sorry. I'm not offended if that's a good word about it. Yeah. So fun. It is fun. It's fun with Naga Laganiz. We like to say that when Rosario Presto Pino was asked about the infamous Goryo's... Goryo's... Goryo's so... I'm just saying it all, these fucking words. You're turning into an Italian.

Yeah. Infimously so I think Rosario played Olga Carlatos, right? When she... Yeah. So when she was asked about the Goryo scene of Olga Carlatos getting eaten alive, she said, Fulci managed through effective staging and Sergio Salvatis, excellent photography direction to make everything so realistic that Olga, after reviewing the scene, ran away to the dressing room in the throes of crying. And the now famous scene of the penetration of the splinter of wood into the eye, we made it...

This is like total run-on sentence quote here. She must just, you know, this was her practicing English, I guess. We made a cast of Olga's face from which we obtained the mask to which the eye was applied and pushed it against the splinter. Dude, that... I mean, that's the iconic scene, the shot of this whole entire movie. Besides, like, the poster, like, that's the iconic scene. And that was the shirt... I might order it now online, seriously.

I should have just bought it in the fucking convention. It was such a... It's just... I hesitated because I just saw this movie at the first time. It's not really necessarily even one of my favorite movies, but the fucking t-shirt was just so perfect that I was like, oh, I guess you are. It's a cool classic. I mean, it's definitely... It was good. Yeah. It was good, for sure. Well, we'll talk more about this because speaking of... Yeah, the splinter scene, that was really hard to film.

Lucio had a very clear picture of the effect he wanted to create, but executing it required lots of planning since they would need multiple cuts for the scenes to work. Cinematographer, Sergio Salavatti suggested using multiple camera positions at as many angles as possible. Doing so would give the editors plenty of footage to work with in the event that an imperfection or mistake occurred since they only had the time and materials for a single take.

I mean, yeah, you made that prosthetic head face eyeball like you got to do one take. I mean, here it is. A replica of her eye was made from plasticine also known as mortician's wax, which is typically used to reconstruct the natural features of someone after they've died. Jeez. The... Yeah. The... My uncle was a mortician once in the side story and Scotty and I... Were you with me? We used to... My... Oh, we stuck together. My cousin lived up...

My cousin in his family, my uncle's kid, lived above the mortuary here in my hometown. Because he was the mortician there, like the resident mortician and they had a little house on like a floor. The top floor was a house. Sure. So we'd spend the night every now and then and one time we snuck down and looked through. Now the door had like a vent in the bottom of it, like for airflow between rooms.

And we peeked through it and we just saw him just whistling, having a good time, just embalming a body. It's just in the garage. There's a hersus parked. I mean... Well, my cousin lived there for a couple years at least, I think. I mean, what a magical experience for a children. We were probably in... Second grade or something. Third, fourth grade, maybe. Yeah, enriching. And enriching it. Well, eight or nine years old. I think we didn't do we go in after he left.

I don't think we need the body, though. No, that's part of the dream you had the next night. Yeah. But that was a very old building, the mortuary. And I remember there, house upstairs being pretty old looking. It's almost just out of a movie. I mean, you live above a fucking mortuary? It's like dead people are living underneath you. Yeah, essentially. They're there. There's there. So... It's still there today.

It is still, I think they've remodeled a lot of the building and added onto it, but yeah. It's still there. So anyway, it's, yeah, the eye was... Again, blame made to the plasticine, known as mortuarystons wax. The iris was hand painted and they inserted two tubes into the eyeball that would burst when the splinter pierced it. One filled with egg white and one filled with blood. It looked pretty good. It's genius. I mean, you could tell it was great. It was great. It looked good. It did.

I mean, it did. For being a prosthetic head and made it of all those things, you just said. Yeah. Man, they're tough. They pulled off. They did. That's that scene and a lot of the stuff at the end like took what was like, I got OK movie and really made me think, oh, this is pretty good. The effects were really, really cool. Yeah. It elevated. The starting from that point on and towards the end, it did turn the movie around at first. I was sort of like, ah, this is a little slow.

This is a little bit but dubbing. Yeah. The shark scene was pretty cool, but like, you know, there were some things like his makeup is coming off, obviously. Yeah. You could see. Yeah. So I was like, yeah, OK. But yeah, then, but then that eyeball thing happened that sort of sealed the deal. I was like, ah, I'm on board. Yeah. So yeah, anyways, Selvati strived to make the zombies as ugly as possible.

The makeup itself was great, obviously, but he felt that he could add even more of a sinister vibe. He achieved that by playing around with lighting techniques, filters and telephoto lenses. He often illuminated the undead faces from below to create strong harsh shadows. Additionally, he suggested that full-cheek film from a distance and zoom in on the main characters, which left the extras in the background unfocused and blurry.

So while your eye, you know, it's trained on the primary action, you subconsciously register the figures lurking around and looking decent. Full-cheek didn't have a cameo in the movie. He plays the newspaper editor while filming on his. Yeah, so he's, yeah, that the desk in the office there. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, while filming on location and in a busy New York office, crew accidentally interrupted a meeting Rupert Murdoch was holding which got them promptly thrown out of the building.

Oh, shit. Oh, God. Man. Who's Rupert Murdoch? Rupert Murdoch owns Fox News or you get it recently. He's one of those like six people that controls all the media in the world. Of course. Yeah, he's an especially conservative one, which is why like Fox and some of those networks all kind of lean right.

So. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Well, at one point during their time in New York, Captain Haggardy, the actor who played the bald zombie, that attacked the harbor patrol, I mean, does he go by Captain Haggardy? It's like I would. It just sounds like some out of step brothers. You have to call me Captain Haggardy. You know, well, he decided to have himself a drink. He walked into a punk bar into CBGB's actually covered the in fake blood and still wearing his full makeup.

Apparently, everyone else was dressed so outrageously that no one spared him a second glance. The hell? Yeah. Yeah. So not much of a story, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, said designer Walter Patriarcha. Patriarcha? Yeah. Build the missions last church from scratch. We can do better than that. Patriarcha. Patriarcha. Patriarcha. Patriarcha. Patriarcha. Patriarcha. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. We built the church of scratch.

After it was completed, Lucio was extremely pleased with it, and he needed a little something extra. He felt the church looked too normal and unassuming. So he did what any rational person would do. He called in a bulldozer, had them push the whole building over, just enough though to give it a tilted look without actually making the whole thing completely collapse. Oh my god. Yeah. At the mission. Yeah, the quote he said, the mission is abandoned, he explained in interview.

What could be more abandoned than a tilting building? Nothing. So they wrecks have been he like tilted, he just pushed it enough. So he didn't wreck the whole thing. So who was filmed, so that was that. Obviously, some of it took place in the film in Italy. I wonder, obviously, most than the New York shots are in the beginning, but then most of the film was on the island quote. I believe so. Yeah, well, I'll, yeah, I'll actually know. I'll talk about it right now.

So, well, Renee Cardona, Jr. was supposed to play the underwater zombie, but had to back out last minute due to illness, or maybe he just didn't want to deal with the shark. So CGI, obviously, didn't really exist at the time, and the budget wouldn't know. Yep. I'll wear it. Talk about the work bite, the shark bite. And the budget wouldn't really allow for JAWS level animatronics. So a real tiger shark was used for the fight scene. That was, that's badass.

But not just any shark, this was a wild shark that crew caught themselves after several days of searching the waters around. You kidding me? Well, Ila, Ila, Muherda is Mexico. In an interview, Giannero de Rossi, Rossi, said the hardest part was finding the shark. We stayed there for two or three days, waiting for the shark to take the bait that they had scattered around the boat. On the second or third night, the shark bit. They wore him out by making him circle around the boat.

When they thought he was tired enough, they got in the water, and two or three of them steered the shark around. They didn't know when he would wake up and come to and regain his strength. The shark's trainer, Ramon Bravo, filled in as the zombie instead. And since tiger sharks are one of the most dangerous species, Ramon took great care to feed it and pump it full of sedatives before the camera started rolling.

Oh my God. So this was like a trained, like a guy that was trained to live his train to deal with sharks. And I did read somewhere else that doesn't mention in my current notes. I did read somewhere else that he had like fish, or you know, fish chum basically that he was kept feeding it on the side to keep it distracted from actually wanting to bite him. Oh God. As they went around.

And I also read that he had, and I don't know how they would accomplish this, but some protective layers under the makeup. I don't know if he had some kind of, I don't know, protective vest on under the shirt and chest piece or I don't know. That must have been a fucking hard to shoot. Like a wild shark to get him, you sedate him. You somehow get him to swim around and follow the girl that's trying to swim out. And then you have to get the shark to bite you and blood to get it drawn.

This was a wild time. God damn it. I mean, that's not like a fun shoot to me. It had to be hard to do it to you though. Man, that's a lot. This guy was obviously free diving. You had no, you know, that's crazy. That's crazy. Free diving the whole time. I mean, yeah, I mean, obviously they probably did a lot of cuts, but free diving. He was free diving down there, probably had to hold his breath for a couple minutes at least. No, it turned out good.

I think it's the most famous scene from the movie. I mean, people are just like, Oh, it's underwater, fucking zombie shark fight scene. Yeah, it was fucking good. Man. Well, so on the day the Brooklyn Bridge scene was shot, the weather was cold and rainy. The actors had to keep themselves from shivering. The zombie scene, so this would be at the end, we'll be, you know, figure out that the whole, all New York's fucked.

Yeah, the zombie scene stumbling across the Brooklyn Bridge were played by locals who were each paid $40 a day. Each person was given $220 bills, staple together. This was to ensure that nobody was overpaid by accident. Wow. Yeah, okay. Here's your two points. I got from bed. Yeah. Mine ripped. Can I get another one? Yeah. Was the living dead continue their aimless walk along the bridge traffic can be seen flowing freely below it from both directions.

It was less than ideal considering the fact that a, you know, national state of emergency is being declared when the radio station has fallen under attack. But of course, due to budget concerns, there was no way to stop traffic long enough to get like another shot. So it's got it flowing. As a matter of fact, the crew easily could have been arrested for filming without a permit above the traffic.

The special effects team carried buckets of clay with them and had to apply it as quickly as possible to roughly 70 zombies motivated by the knowledge that handcuffs probably weren't super comfortable to crew manage to get all the extras made up within about 20 minutes. Wow. Clay had that kind of motivation on Sinny, der man, we could have really used some crack in the hood on the effects on that one. Yeah, all heads of deck. Let's get this done 20, 20, 20 minutes, man.

Yeah. Well, the movie was extremely gory for the time it came out. So in fact, those airline barf bags were given to moviegoers at the theater. Really? Yeah. Geez. It was released unrated in America because the MPA would have given it an X rating. Back then, it was easier to release unrated movies into theaters than X rated ones.

Wow. Yeah. When it was released in Britain in 1980, the British Board of Film Classification would only allow to release or to receive an X rating if roughly a minute and 46 seconds of footage were cut from the movie. It was classified as a so-called video nasty and was considered a violation of the Obscene Publications Act. So in other words, they ordered the movie to be altered and then banned it anyways. Wasn't that gory? What the, I mean, I mean, back at the time, I guess.

I'm not talking about it. 79, like 79. It's like shining era. That's evil dead era. That's, I mean, close to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I need to work. I need to find a fake for poultry guys. This is you, this is you European. Yeah. And poultry guys, yeah. Just to see shit coming out of the nest. Yeah. You might as well see it. Italian, yeah. Two girls one cup with some demon chickens in the background. God. When you're looking for video clips to share online, that's the, there you go. Oh, yeah.

Well, despite all this, the film soldered on. The cast and crew treated it as a badge of honor. And future releases used it at, used its nasty status as free advertising. When it was re-released on August 1st, 2005, the BBFC gave it an 18 rating with no cuts needed. So obviously, things had changed a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Coming to you, there's much more gory in films these days. Yeah, there's a quote.

Psychologically, I don't think horror films inside violence or fear, co-writer Alisa Braganti explained in an interview. Instead, I'm really convinced that they liberate negative feelings we all have inside ourselves. And they help us co-exist better. What? Because you come out of these films, knowing that that reason won at the end of the day. And even when it doesn't, you come out knowing you're still alive, even when they're all dead. Oh, yeah. It's a justification there for that.

Zombie 2 was nominated for the 1981 Saturn Award for Best Makeup. Yeah. A couple of critic reviews. A couple of quotes, Slant Magazine, taken on its own terms. It works quite degrigably as a visceral blow to the bread basket with one of the most outrageous and apocalyptic final scenes in the entirety of the subgenre. I mean, nowadays, I don't know if that holds true. But it's still a foot. Another one. I think the video and asked the hysteria lies a horror of substantial craft and skill.

And it's iconic synth theme is on par with the work of Goblin. Whilst its rich cinematography makes the very most of the films luscious locales. Yeah. That was sin of you. Yeah, the cinematography for the island and field and the ocean was pretty good and filled in Italy there. But yeah. Another quote by, well, Guillermo del Toro considers Zombie 2. You know, Zombie, that's one of his favorite films. Quote, this is, if not his best movie, it's the most savage one of all cheese.

This is what del Toro is known to have said. So yeah, that's all I got. On Zombie. Remets everything. That was fantastic. That was good. Yeah. Yeah, nice little film. I did. I did. Yeah. I loved it, man. There's a couple of things like the sound effects to where it's like the loud buzzing fly sounds that were a little over the top. But I kind of like that to me. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of buzzing going on there and dead bodies.

And then when he was putting the blood on the microscope, it was like a really, really big drop set. He was. Like, wow, oh my goodness. I'm with Carmelo. I'd probably watch this again. I now have it on a special edition on Blu-ray. Kind of want to watch again just because it's been a while. Yeah. And there is some cool stuff, you know, a lot of those things you mentioned. Yeah, that was there. But that location was awesome. The island was cool.

His, his humble abode that wasn't so humble was an awesome location for the house. I mean, I'd live there. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it had that, that had that old thing that these older movies have, the young leading, not leading, but his young wife. And he's so old, looks like her, like her dad, basically. Very common. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I saw, I saw here it was filled in Latina, Italy. Latina, Latina. Latina. Latina. That's right. Yeah, maybe Latina, L-A-T-I-A. Okay. It's right on the coast there.

The bottom, bottom, I guess, the bottom part of Italy there. So yeah. Yeah. No, good, good staple. So yeah, it was fun. Yeah. Yeah. Let's zip on to a, yeah. What did you watch? Yeah. Yeah. It's tied to the demon that are on the side, the demon that are on the wall. Hey, the demon hounds. Watch the good. Shout out to the short film that opened for us. Yeah. The Red Hourglass was a short film that showed before us. That was really good. Yeah. Yeah. We all enjoyed it.

Yeah. The director described it as he was trying to do like Dario or Gentomeats, David Lynch. And he nailed that. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, that's exactly what you did. It's it's right off the bat. You see this big black widow crawl on the bed and it's like, oh, God. Yeah. I stuck a mellow like his skin crawl. Right? Is that happened? Carmel hate spiders. If you didn't know, we were eating our dark, our dark chocolate snow caps. That's right. That's right.

Heather Candy and we had our Blair Witch project, Graham Cracker Porter and the day. Yeah. That was good. His whiskey gin or what? You didn't have that. And then we mixed them together and we got s'mores at that point. I just I had Woodford reserves on rocks straight up. So we were the heavy poor. So we're prepared with drinks and snacks for the for the screener. That kind of just up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I can't believe it's over. We're not together anymore. Only for a few more days.

Only a few more days. We'll be back to as we belong together. That's right. I'm not sure what watching else. Yes. I mean, it's been a long time since the last episode. So you probably have. But oh, yeah, so I saw so I saw Beetlejuice too. Oh, that was that. Oh, yeah, that's good. It was exactly what you expect. It was Beetlejuice too. It was the same movie as the first movie just again. And if you like Beetlejuice, that's a lot of fun. Like it was. Hell yeah.

It was Zany and and Wanky and you know, Catherine O'Hara steals the show. My only complaint about the movie is Monica Balucci's character. She plays like Beetlejuice's wife and she's trying to kill him. The whole movie. She affects the plot not at all. Not at all. You think like, oh, this is like where the movie is going to go. It does not. So I don't know why she's in it. But Monica Balucci's in it. So that's nice. Yeah. I kind of balances out.

Anyways, yeah, Beetlejuice. That was Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton's terrific. He's back so good. Back in rare form again. Yeah, he's so good. Yeah, he doesn't miss a beat. Danny DeVito's got a great cameo. So. Nice. Yeah, I mean, with the baby, it's been harder to watch. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Get to the movies. You are at the babies at the age though, where you can turn on anything in front of them and they won't know what the hell you're watching. You have no idea.

Yeah. So I've been watching Kirby enthusiasm. So, you know, maybe the baby will grow up to be like a neurotic Jewish man, but we'll find out. Nice. What are you guys? Scotty, do you watch? Yeah, I mean, I did some movie watching on the play that actually back and forth from since Cincinnati. I watched Behind the Mask, the Rise of Lesiverna, which is great. Found footage, of course.

And which will be watching a couple of these I should mention because we're going to be a guest, Scotty and I on Aaron Garcia's podcast in a couple days. Front row negative, I believe. So you guys should check that episode out whenever it comes out. We're going to get guest on that in a couple days. Yeah. So that was one of the movies that we're going to be voting on or like whatever. I never seen it. It was very funny and had some good kills in it and a very cool concept for sure.

And then I also watched The Deep House, which was creepy and good. And there's some dark shots. There's just going to hard to see. I like the playing because more than half the film is shot underwater. Yeah. Diving underneath this lake for The Deep House. But that was also a found out of footage that was very good. And it was funny. It was funny. Lesley Vernon, it's found footage, but some of it like wasn't some of it.

It's like I'd say three three quarter, found footage and the rest is just regularly shot like a narrative. So, right, right. Right. But both those were good. I watched. Well, because of this guest parents are doing coming up and voting, I had to refresh. I had to watch the whole Hells LLC 2, but because I was refreshing 2, I was like, well, let me just go ahead and watch the first one again. So I watched the first one and the second one.

And I watched, I was like, ah, I just watched the third one last night. And there's a fourth one. So I might just go ahead and watch that tonight just to get you to start. You can't just watch one when there's like a whole thing. Yeah. Or it's not. I wanna watch the fourth when I haven't seen you. Yeah, they're good. You know, they did a really good job with those. Was your favorite, is it the first your favorite? Yeah, probably.

The second one has a very questionable acting, especially in the first three force of it. It gets a little better when they're just scared and running around. But yeah, I like the third one. Yeah, the third one is better than the second one. The third one. Yeah. Do you remember them pretty good, Carpello? I do. And I remember the second one more or less just setting up the third one. Yeah. It's like the first one's classic. It's awesome. The acting is great. The whole thing is great.

The second one, again, acting, there's like a couple of them just really aren't good at all. And they do a lot of the newscast type stuff when I was like, yeah, okay. They're like running through at the whole film. Secondary to it is like they flash back to this newscast interview. And I don't know if I like that setting very much. And then, but yeah, the third one's cool. They bring like another attraction back to the abodon hotel. And it was pretty cool. Yeah, I watched for some.

But then I watched in a violent nature, which actually a lot of people have been talking about that just came out not too long ago, but just recently like three, four days ago, it's now available on shutter and AMC plus. So I loved it. I thought it was awesome. It's a unique view on a slasher. It's from the killer's perspective. There's some absolutely brutal kills in it. It's very, very different. And I ended up, I liked it a lot. So guess, check that out. I'll check it out.

It's probably been more, but we haven't had episodes in so long, but I can't recall. Yeah. I also watched Crimson Peak, which was why I just remembered. So I didn't see that. It came out like 2015. And that was good too. A good, a good haunted house flick, you know, with a little love story painted in there. So good cast to, of course. Cool, guys. I know up next we'll be doing, we're going to do an episode. Just talking about the making of Name the Demon and that whole experience.

And you'll get a lot of behind the scenes stuff. Yeah. If you care to know about how much fun we had and the ins and outs of what we went through making this film, there's definitely some stories. So it's not going to be boring. Even if you don't care about that stuff, there's some awesome stories and we have a lot of fun. Oh, yeah. So that'll be the next episode, which will probably, we'll look to release it on time. Probably October 1st or 2nd would be our, sort of our normal time.

We're trying to get back in. Who knows what is our normal time is even more biweekly because we've missed a couple weeks. But yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll talk about October 1st is the next, would that be the next? Yeah, I think we would like record on the first release it on the second. So or midnight first, you know, and, you know, I think it's Wednesday at midnight. So would be the second at midnight.

And if you haven't already, go check out the Name the Demon trailer on our Facebook pages and on our Instagram and support. Yeah, you'll see Name the Demon profile on Instagram and Facebook. Yeah, so, all right, guys. Well, thanks for joining us. We'll catch you next time. Later, guys. Later. Don't you blame the movies? Movies don't create psychos. Movies make psychos more creative. Oh, yes, there will be blood.