319: The Invisible Man

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Crab the got him last time. Rotally attacked him. Pinched his foot. Pinched his finger. Actually, he's working with it. Pinched his finger. Yes, I am visiting Rob in a month and a half down in Florida. So if anyone's down there coming out with us, I'm going to see if I can talk a listen to come a debt. Well, we'll see for like a week by this. We have jet skis, Scotty. I know. I know. I just like that so much has changed since you were

down here last week. I got jet skis. We got three bedrooms, three bath at the house. Oh, yeah, that rock Miss Linda has been completely re-modeled. The pool everything. I don't want to encroach and bake it to two crab free guys there, but we'd be probably okay. I don't know. We just got that Costa Rica. So we'll see if I can we can go with only a month. This man. It's a month away though. So the invisible man. That's what only it's screaming about. It's the topic of our chat today.

It's about people. The people. The people. Man. I don't know that meat the people's. I'm not saying we should do it, but it's not a horror movie. I don't think it's a horror movie. You had so much preview. It's like a goofy action, but there's a lot of gross stuff in it. Okay. Okay. I guess it's as horror as this movie is. It was this one's only considered horror because it was a universal monster. Part of the universal monsters. Yeah. I don't know.

The original 1933. We watch it. There's not much horror about it. It's just a yeah. No. No. But you said you liked this one, right, Rob? I did like this one because it was way different than I thought it was going to be because like the universal monster movies in my opinion are not very good. But this one was I don't consider it horror. Really, but this one was really good because the

guy that plays the invisible man was just so out of his mind of a nicole. Like I did I thought it was going to be a lot more like hokey than what it was, but I mean, it's really interesting. I think the actor instead of like just like I mean his cackel on his laugh and he's losing his mind and like I really thought it was I thought it was good. I thought I was really surprised because I think we were watching like Kreaser from the Black Lagoon and other things like that

which are fun. Yeah. But I this one was like just solid. Like I remember watching hollow man with Kevin Bacon and like wondering why he was such a bad guy, but obviously I think they pulled a lot from this guy like he's like he's like a psychopath. He's he's he's he's gone insane. Yeah, the drugs are making him crazy. That's that's basically what it is. Yeah, but he plays it so

well for somebody you can't see. So I thought it was really good. Yeah. I actually was it was interesting that it was like I know people want to dissect you know Frankenstein, but like this one to me doesn't this and this doesn't feel like 1930s. Yeah. Yeah. This movie this movie to me feels much more timeless. It's almost a standalone in itself. Yeah. In itself. Yeah. But I'm with you all. I don't understand.

I mean, it's just to me it's just a really good universal movie. I'm not quite sure how it folds into the universal monsters. Yeah. I mean, I can see it because he's not the other monster. You know, it's I guess I guess the rest of them are very decidedly monsters. You have the creature from the blackly goo and you have Frankenstein that's that dead dead people basically you have Dracula who's obviously a monster. Yeah, that's not like that. Yeah. Well, I liked it. I thought it

was good. It's a it's a breeze runtime hour and seven minutes. More movies need to start doing this. Yeah, our hour and 12 minutes. Something like that. It was it was short. Yeah. It was nice watch. Like and clicks and all these places need to start doing stuff like this. I don't need a four and a half hour four episode documentary series anymore. Like give me a date line episode 48 minutes. Totally. Hour 10. That's the way you consume content, Rob. I wouldn't think you would mind.

Oh, well, it's just I don't like stuff to drag. Like I found this new YouTube channel that all they do is people stuck in cave videos and tell those terrible stories that give everybody anxiety. Yes. And they're like 18 minutes. It's like perfect. Perfect. I didn't finish the one you sent me. I started watching it. I have these things are good. That channel's got like 10 million subscribers. People just want to watch stories about people's stuck in caves. Not. He also does other stuff too.

He does like really cool shipwreck stuff and like cannibalism story. They did like reenactments on it. I mean, that's top top. It's really good for a YouTube channel. But like ever since Danny and Scott was a nutty putty cave. Yeah. We were all gone. We were walking down to Thomasville, Tallahassee and we watched that movie. Ever since then anytime I see like a cave Instagram or TikTok. I'm like, I gotta watch this. Was that movie watch based on that? Wasn't it? Yeah.

All right. Well, let's cut let's cut back into the movie here. So, well, I want to give my thought to I thought it was good to I think it's a standalone universe movie. And I was kind of wondering how they were going to make the invisible man invisible with being a 1930s movie. And I thought they did pretty good with we're going to talk about that. Yeah. So, I was just saying I thought it was good. And there was some cheesiness. But I thought over

overall it was one of the better ones for sure. What what are the numbers on this on this thing? Do you want to do a stop? Yeah. Well, yeah. I guess I could do a quick synopsis. Yeah. So you can take over and do it. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. But I mean, basically there is a scientist. I'm not going to be as good as as Carmella here. There's a scientist who has been experimenting in secrecy on his own trying to figure out how to make himself.

Invisible. He has done that. And now he's trying to make himself uninvisible. And that's sort of where we come into the where the movie opens. So we see him on a country road in the snow enter to a in the lion's head in where he is trying to get some privacy to finish his work. Of course, we find out that he worked under a scientist who of course he's in love with his daughter and they're searching for him and wondering where he's been for the last month.

Well, if he's been dead, where have you been? The in keeper and all the people at the end just can't leave him alone. He gets super pissed. Freaks out because they're trying to get him out. He's bringing them tea and food. He's not he's apparently not paying rent. So I guess that's the main reason why they want to kick him out. It's been a week. He freaks out on all of them. Ingers. Ingers one. Ingers one of them escapes. Now the man hunt begins. He

he invades the home of a colleague who was also in love with his girlfriend. And basically forces him into helping him and be his partner. At they go back to get his notes from the in and then try well, he tries to do it in secrecy, but the scientist who he's now using us as partner tries to call the cops on him and get these other other scientists over there to help him out. So he betrays him and the cops can't catch him because they don't can't see him and

can't see. They can't see him. They devise a plan where the scientists that call the cops will well, first of all, invisible man threatens to kill him at 10 p.m. the next night. So they know that's happening. They bring him in. Yeah, 10 p.m. on the dots. They bring him in as bait. The invisible man goes to, you know, they think they've tricked him because they've made sure that no one could be there and they've brought him in. Then they dress him up like a policeman and

shove him out the back door so that they can then catch the invisible man. But the invisible man follows the colleague the whole time and ends up killing him. Then takes a nap in a barn where a land the barn owner finds him sleeping because he sees the hay moving and gets the cops there. They surround the place. They light it on fire. He runs out in the snow. They can see his footprints. They shoot him. They bring him into the hospital. And as he dies, the effects of his drugs wear off

and he becomes visible to his weeping girlfriend. And that's how it ends. Pretty cool. Yeah. We get to see his face at the very end. What do you really looks like? Great one. So I'll get some numbers here. So get this. The invisible man was screened and released on October 31, 1933 at the Kibba Theater in Greeley, Colorado. No way. No. This shit town of Greeley. It was. It was. Can you I think Greeley is a fine town. I don't really have the length of it. It's only like 30 minutes

north of our north east of us. So it's crazy. Definitely driven through Greeley. Yeah. You have. I don't know how it was. I've been lost out there. Okay. I don't know. It's like I did. Okay. It was. It was screened and released in Greeley, Colorado. Here in Colorado, just 30 minutes north of us. I can't imagine what Greeley called Halloween. On Halloween. On Halloween. I didn't know. It even existed back then.

It had the budget was 328,000. There's some mixed box office results. But the one here on Wikipedia says it did break records at the New York Theater for the 1932, 1933 season. 80,000 patrons saw the film in four days with 42,000 being collected during that week, leading to the film to continue screening for a second week. Then the films moved into two theaters in New York, Radio City, Eroxy and RKO Palace. It didn't do as great in L.A.,

but once they saw the reviews from New York, L.A. did better. They were doing like 43, 100 in per week there. And it was there for like a few weeks. So overall, I think it grossed, you know, over maybe 100,000 within that month. But then of course, IMDB said only gross 30,000. So I don't know what to believe there. It's almost silly to talk about the numbers on a universal monster movie because they've made their money thousands of time over by now.

Tenfold. All these blu-ray releases and marketing and rides and everything. Oh, for sure. They've made their money back. But yeah, overall, it was a successful film. Okay. Well, it's written by H.G. Wells originally in 1897. It stays fairly close to the film. Two years before the town of Greeley was established. Oh, it's 1899. Oh, sorry, my mouth is wrong. 1869. Oh, it's area code is 970. And it has a population of 110,000.

18 to 69 is when Greeley was in court for years. Really? Wow. Technically, technically it's a municipality. Wow. Well, you got the university, I guess the university have Northland Colorado there. So it is a college town. Yeah. Yeah. My mom with theirs. Well, it says that it's a small community that maintains many fun and exciting community-based events. That just describes every community, every small community. Well, Longmont's basically described as like good food in

lots of beer. Oh, yeah. YouTube videos when I was looking at Longmont, Colorado. There's just like the huge like Longmont Chamber of Commerce. It's just like come down here and enjoy the food and beer. Come down here. Enjoy the hiking and beer. And beer. Yeah. Grass brewery. I mentioned the craft beer. It's like fishing. And they show like, you know, a creek and fly fisherman and beer. Beer. Beer. Beer. Beer lovers. We got you covered.

So written by HG Wells, 1897. The rights to this book were bought by Universal. Actually, Universal bought the story rights for $10,000. But it was sort of floating around. But after checking with what's back then, they called the Trick Department, which was headed by John Fulton for this film. Basically, all the practical effects. I wanted to make sure they could be done. And he was like, yep, we got it covered. So they had 12 writers submit scripts for the screenplay.

You know, changing the novel to a screenplay. Ultimately, RC Sheriff was chosen and hired. They had bought the rights for HG Wells book. And then all these writers were submitting screenplays that were based on other books or stories of Invisible Men or just coming up with their own. None of them really went after HG Wells's novel. So I don't know why. I'm wondering if that's weird. They just bought the rights and now maybe they were in the clear to create their own Invisible Men

or without fear of copyright infringement. I don't know. But RC Sheriff was like, why is no one paying attention to the source material? And he wrote a screenplay for that. So one of some of the main differences is that the character of the father scientist, Dr. Kramley and Flora's daughter are not in the book. The colleague, Dr. Kemp, who he threatens into helping him, he has a much smaller role in the book and is not like a main antagonist or villain or he's not really a villain

because the Invisible Man is a villain, but just not a main enemy of the Invisible Man. They beefed up his role and thought he was not the Invisible Man like assistant or like his partner. I'm not sure what he is to the Invisible Man in the book. He's just not an adversary really. And Sheriff thought that they needed a total complete adversary for him to be against. So there

was more drama. I can see that. They had four different directors slated at different times and finally went with James Whale, who we all remember from right of Frankenstein. And the original Frankenstein talking about. So and speaking of Frankenstein and Boris Karloff was slated by the studio to play the Invisible Man. But there was this huge thing. They ended up not being able to afford him. Basically,

he was getting paid this weekly rate. They were all contract actors back in the day for Universal. We talked about this a little bit on the Frankenstein episodes and maybe even the creature from the Black Lagoon episodes. But the Universal would just have these actors under contract and then they would use them in tons of their movies. And I think they were paid weekly whether they were currently filming something or not. They were just retained on contract paid weekly

exclusively for Universal. And that's how we're so Boris Karloff was under contract. But the great depression was happening or it just happened. Things were tight. Karloff was I guess his contract had stated that he was about to jump to from 750 a week to 1250 per week. And they couldn't afford that at the time. And he was going to accept some kind of thing where he said, he came back saying, hey, well, pay me the normal rate, the 750

for this film. As long as you promise on the next film, I'm raised up to that 1250. And they couldn't even commit to that. So he didn't get like last minute. He's like, I'm not playing. I'm not going to do the movie then for 750 dollars a week. Yeah. I mean, that's back. That was like, you know, like, yeah, that was a house. That was like a billion dollars back then. She's 1250. I'm my calculator next to him. But yeah, probably a bazillion. Yeah, a bazillion dollars.

That's what it was. So were they paying clod, clod rains the same amount? I know no way, clod rains contract said it was probably around that 750. Before clod rains though, Colin Clive was offered the role. He played Dr. Frankenstein in the right Frankenstein. And the original right? It was the same guy. I guess so. Thanks. On Clive. Yeah. I don't remember anymore. Yeah. I can't clear call. But not my Frankenstein. That's what I always say. Yeah. He was offered the role.

What was it? He, oh, he was traveling. He had been in a minute. He's, I guess, from England. He was, had been in America for a long time doing films and was set to travel back home finally. And they offered him this role, even though he had plans to travel already. And he was just like, I'm leaving. Yeah, Colin. Oh, damn, that's too bad. He was good. He was great. He was in both frigates. Yes. So, so they settled on clod rains. This was his first sound film. He had been in one

silent film before this. And you talked about the voice. Well, James Well went, wanted him for his distinct voice. It's deep and very unique. He was actually made front of in school because he had a speech impediment at a young age. Clod rains ran away from home, flash school at the time. And I think it was about 10 years old and then decided to devote his life to theater and got into these classes to fix a speech impediment. Then it wasn't till later that he had the deep, the deep sort

of recognizable voice. He attributes that to poise and gas inhalation during World War One, where he experienced something out of it. What? Yeah. That and he experienced a heavy artillery, I guess, near him and was mostly blind in one eye and did not share that with anyone. So for a couple of people, Tully died. Oh, so this is the perfect role for him. Yeah. Line of one eye, just work glasses and bandages. But obviously he had a huge long career after this. He was in

Casa Blanca. He was in, I mean, four time Academy Award winner. He was in a lot. He was in a lot of stuff after this. He's, yeah, the Benches of Robin Hood, I see Mr. Smith goes to Washington. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and so he, him along with all of these people, really, all these contract players were mainly big theater actors. They were all Broadway actors that when the talkies started happening out in Hollywood, there was a huge exodus of theater people going away from theater and into film

and moving out to Hollywood. And that's what a lot of these people were. And James Whale knew all of them from doing theater and doing Broadway shows. So yeah, we talked about how Flora was not in the book, but she's in this movie. Fun fact, glorious steward who played Flora played the old-ass lady in Titanic. I saw that. I just looked at that. What the hell? She like revived her career. She played Rose, Rose Dawson or whatever. Yeah, it's been 80 years. 84 years. Yeah. She did revive her career

after that. That revived her career Titanic and did movies into her 90s. I think she's probably that now. Yeah, she is that. She died in September 26, 2010 at the age of 100. Oh, geez. Yeah. Definitely dead then. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah, but she came from theater background too. She actually the one of the casting directors for Universal at the time saw her in a play and had her come in and do a test screen for this movie and then hired her on contract for this and many more films.

That's just how it worked. They were all hired on contract. Even Claude Reigns did a test for Universal on a different film before this saying it was the worst screen test he's ever done and it was really bad. Apparently, really. James Welles saw it though and thought it was hilarious and still wanted him because of his voice. So well, you got to have that funny laugh. You know, so it's it's good. They kept him. Yeah. So but from that from a horrible test screening onto Oscar

nominations and wins. That's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It looked like he had he had three four nominations and it didn't win anybody had four. Oh, okay. Maybe it's just the nominations. Yeah. Okay. But he wanted to he won Tony Ward. He won a drama leagues. He Grammy are nominated. Yeah, there's there's a lot of a lot of awards here. Yeah. That he won. They did you guys notice when that in the opening scene or close, not the opening scene when you first meet Flora and her dad and Dr.

Kim comes in and talks to him. Then he takes Flora to speak in private and they go through a door but the camera just goes past the wall and you're like, why is there a door there? There's no. Yeah. There's a wall doesn't complete itself and it's not like it was a black notice or where they just went through the wall like you do sometimes it was actually like part of the architecture. There was no wall there. What? Yeah. I didn't see that. It's a little ridiculous. It's crazy. There's

some other ridiculous stuff in here. A lot of overacting. Yeah. Big time. Flora. Specifically. She was the worst. She was like, oh, she like buries her head in the fucking bench right there. She was so bad. She was pretty bad. She was just like, coming like Claude Reigns is funny because he was a silent actor. But like his voice,

and he's the only reason why this movie is tolerable. His voice. His voice. Now there's other, you know, there's like Vincent Price who has the voice but also he has the presence and yeah. Most Vincent Price movies are only good because it's a Vincent Price movie. Yeah. Like this is yeah. It's like Claude Reigns. Well, it also speaks of a overacting and annoying noises. Una O'Connor played. Oh God. He keeps that lady. He keeps that. Mrs. Hall. Dude,

her screaming. Oh my God. Oh, she's her husband. I've been floating down the stairs. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, he's screaming now. He'll all remember her from Bride of Frankenstein as the housekeeper lady. She's the same lady. Yeah. Oh, shit. No one here. They just reused everybody. They did. They did. I mean, they're the same thing with, um, yeah, with I, I, I, I, I, Hitchcock. He had a, yeah, he had like, um, what's his name? The guy from, uh, Brear Window and

Maricon 24th Street. Oh, uh, yeah, Jim, whatever, James, whatever. But yeah, I guess why he was in so many movies. Well, these, because the network, because like the studio was like, we're keeping them so they don't go. I guess because there's like a studio war. Yeah. You know, like Columbia or Whomever was like you, you're with us. We can't afford to you to go make a good movie somewhere else. Yeah. Yeah. So well, if you watch the commentary on this, it's chock full of that stuff. It's like,

oh, this guy was in these eight universal films or these 24 universal films. Uh, for instance, there's a reporter towards the end asking questions that leans any of his glasses on. He's like, oh, to the police and chief. He's like, what are you guys going to do about this? Is there some kind of secret solution we don't know about? He played Fritz, uh, Frankenstein's helper in Frankenstein, and he played, uh, Igor or is it Igor and Dracula as well? Oh, really? Yeah, just all kinds of,

uh, same within this film, the, uh, like it's all coming back to me now. The guy, the guy that comes upstairs, the in, technically the inkeeper, like Uno O'Connor is sort of the inkeeper as well, but the guy she makes go up to kick him out. He's, he's been in like 12 universal movies and the Wolfman and all these apart in Frankenstein as well. Same with the, um, inspector who was pretty memorable in this, uh, with the very staunch British accent, you know,

he's, yeah, he was in Frankenstein, uh, bride of Frankenstein, Wolfman. I mean, return of invisible man. All these people aren't all these movies. Wow. So, yes, it's crazy. But Uno O'Connor, if you easy work with men, yeah. Well, she, you know, Connor, um, she had interesting history, basically has been in place since a young girl and I think was part of like, uh, well, she was, a part of, it almost sounded like a, a group of nuns doing plays or something like that.

I don't know if she was a nun at some point, but, uh, either way she was doing tons of theater before she got under contract at Universal, um, and did, was it her that it was her or the other guy? Anyway, she, she did, you know, tons of movies with them eventually died in like 1958 at the age of 78. Um, so she was pretty old in this movie, even you can see already. Um, I, I'm trying to think it might have been the guy she's Irish from Ireland. One of it might have been the police inspector

that comes in and is like trying to prove it all a hoax, but then he, he dies. He's the first one guy that dies. It might have been him or one of the other guys that basically joined Universal at a late age, maybe the age of 60 years or 65 or something. Only was with them for seven years, but did 80 films. He's good. Before he died. Yeah, it's crazy. Deadly digs. That might have been the guy. I'm not sure of those. Yeah, I think it is. Oh,

my God. He's got a ton of film credits on here. Yeah. So yeah, it's just crazy how they all did that. But, but yeah, speaking of the, your time of the effects and Rob, you mentioned it too. I mean, yeah, they, they have great job. They did. Yeah. No, I mean, like it's, it's actually, I mean, it's like the less is more thing with them because I'm watching Hollow Man. And of course, they try to put CGI and stuff and the Kevin Brolin movie. And it's not like this is just better.

Let's think of one. It's just better. The newer one. There's the invisible man. They came out like five, six years. That's what with Elizabeth Moss. Yeah. Yeah. That one. Yeah. And he is in a suit full of cameras. Like somehow the cameras are small screens. Like small LED or LCD screens make him. The cameras project. And then I don't know. It's really actually convoluted. And it's, it's okay. It's pretty good. They again, like there's too much drama and like, like what she gets,

she's trying to leave him. Yeah. He sets her up for his murder. Yeah. I mean, he's figured that, you know what I mean? Like a nobody circumstantial murder. And then he kills like two cops and he's able to go into interrogation room. He's able to do all of these things. And it's pretty good. Yeah. He like stays in the cell with her. Like, yeah, yeah. But it's like, but then why would he do it? Like you punished her. You set her

up for murder. Like I would be in Tahiti. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Butting her, letting her rot. So like your job's done, dude. Yeah. So like I, but it was a different take. And I kind of think that they did it the newest one. They did it better because he really is like a lunatic. Yeah. But there's no reason for him to be. He's just a bad, he's just a bad man. Yeah. So this one, they talked about it, the science, they, they gently grazed the science behind it. They just basically

said, Oh, he's mixing up his chemical. Yeah. I don't want a lot of science. He taught me my movies. He's mixed all these chemical compounds and come up with this thing called, you know, the main ingredient being monocaine that is a fictional drug that that sucks all the color out of everything it touches. And he's now injecting this under his skin. And that's what's caused him to become invisible. But also the side effects of monocaine is insanity is driving, slowly driving him mad

because they try to let you. It's like a, it's for the dog white and the dog with crazy. Yes. It's a real, it's a real side effect. Yeah. There you go. What does it do? Make sure go insane. Like, you know, like cranky no turns you into an absolute psycho. Okay. In the book, I believe there's not this isn't the same scenario. There's no mention of monocaine. It talks about actually what it is is it talks about he goes mad due to strict nine. And I don't think that has anything to do with

the invisibility. The book expands on ways that they he refracted lights and mirrors and and blah blah blah. I think it gets a lot more into it like what you don't want Rob. Yeah, but I don't want to let science. He's almost had a had a jekyll hide feel even like a little bit with, I know, with with how his shit goes wrong too. And he's a scientist. He spends all his days and nights working on the antidote. But I don't understand the science behind that or the science behind how

they pull these shots off because I have, well, let's let's talk about it. So they would do they use these traveling mats. They called it multiple prints with traveling mats. I don't really know what that means. But basically the way they got some of these shots. So obviously if there's a room, he's completely invisible, then they're just using wire tricks. I mean, there's got thin wire and fishing line moving things around and puppet it all the way around. Sure, floating around.

Well, that was not done with wires. And the two things you just mentioned were still were not done with wires. The cigarettes, the smoke, the lighter, like the beer glass being thrown in the glass. Yeah, beer and glass. The worst closing those. Role. Okay. Ink moving around. Yeah, all that kind of the chair moving and rocking. All that's wires. But the way they did the sort of the shirt, for instance, they had proposed using

wires, but there would be no way to make the shirt be the form of a human. It would just sort of be a saggy shirt there. As opposed, maybe they could paper mache a shirt, but then it just wouldn't move naturally, obviously. So the way they did anything like that was a completely different day, a completely different set. They had a totally black background velvet black set. Then they took the actor. Sometimes it was clawed rains. Many times it was a double and covered him in

black wrapped him in black felt everywhere. Yeah, velvet. And then they would put the item on that the visible man is supposed to be wearing whether it's a t-shirt or the robe, whatever. Which is blended in with the black velvet. And they would blend in with the background. And then they would film that it would have to be I guess it was really tough because the head would be wrapped up with the black and they had breathing a breathing tube going through his trouser leg up

so he could breathe and that was loud. And then his ears were muffled from the wrap. I should be allowed to be struggling to breathe. So I guess James Whale had to use a megaphone yelling at the top of his lungs. And even with that, the actor or double could just hear a faint murmur. So they would rehearse it tons and tons of times. Then he would get wrapped up. Then in an interview James Whale had said that by the time they had done 20 takes about they were now sort of

on their way to getting a good take like just then. So it must have been grueling to get multiple takes. So then past that they would get that footage developed and viewed the next day and there would be little imperfections. Maybe the camera would have accidentally looked down in the shirt sleeve a little bit and seen somewhere they didn't wrap or something like that. And so what they did then is they went in by hand frame by frame on the actual film and used a brush with

sort of a what I want to say like transparent ink something that would work I guess. And sort of hand touch up anything that was still looked off. And they calculated that they did that to about 64,000 frames. Oh my god. Yeah. That's the whole thing. Re-touched. So yeah. And then I don't then I'm not sure how the process works. They take the scene where the people were reacting to nothing. It was filmed normally and with maybe some wire work and stuff in it. And then they take

this other thing they filmed. They're able to sort of superimpose it or onto each other and that's how they got it to work. But one scene in specific just sounded like a nightmare. The director of photography described it. Basically it's where he's looking in the mirror, unwrapping his face. Later on the movie before he goes to bed. And so to get that shot I guess they had to have the actor on the background is one shot the velvet stuff. The actor in the mirror is another shot

because it's like the reverse of it. Then the room in the mirror is another shot. And then the room he's standing in is like another shot. And because of the way that set up he had to make sure when he's unwrapping his hands didn't go in between him and the other guy in the mirror or something like that it was just like the hardest shot. They could just cut that scene. Man. They just see. I mean there was a lot of like unwrapping. Like he had to wrap himself for the first time to see

camp just because so he could be face to face with the camp. Like he could have just set there and talked to him. But they went the extra mile I guess for the viewers to actually see him you know change into the visible man that manages so. This is a self-point you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unique at the time. Oh yeah. It's amazing. It does. Yeah. There's some obvious things like obviously the bicycle was on a track that's going on its own. Oh yeah. That's held up

by wires above. The miniature use is a little obvious these days the train wreck and the car going off the. Oh for sure. Actually the car off the cliff could have fooled me but the train. The car off the cliff might have been real. No it wasn't. I know that I now know that they were both miniatures. The train was obviously a miniature movie. You could tell that. But the car you could have maybe fooled me a little bit. So yeah and most exteriors were filmed on the back

a lot at Universal as well at the time. And then the way they did the snow footprints was a little laborious too. They had a trench dug underneath the snow where the footprints would appear. And then they had below that trench they basically I think it was a piece of wood with footprints cut out but then replaced back in and pulls holding up those those cutouts that were then placed back in their spots. Wow. And with ropes tied to the bottom you know the poles would

extend down to the bottom of the trench holding that's what holds it up. Then they had loops like ropes tied to the bottom of each of those poles and they would just gank them out as the foot and then the footsteps would appear in sequence. What does that. It's pretty cool. Let's cut off drop out and then the yeah I don't think it was real snow. I think it was like dirt they were using and that would then easily make a void where it dropped out. You know. Wow. But then there

would still be like a thin layer of dirt that was white. Like if you'd only drop down like you know I mean sure something. Yeah. And it was still out the print on it. That was that's genius. The thing that the commentary pointed out though is the footprints looks like you have shoes on and if you had shoes on you'd be able to see the shoes. Oh yeah. It's really okay again. Oh. Oh. Oh. You just ruined it. It did look like footwork. They should have been

barefoot because he's making the whole time. I know. But how do you make barefoot cutouts? I guess you could get the toes. I don't know. That'd be tough. Yeah. That would have been tough. Well I didn't even think about what I was watching it. I didn't know. Now that you told me I'll be like oh yeah. You should take it. So that was cool. And then pretty much the last thing is that they

for that end scene where he's in the bed. They made that pillow out of plaster and so it's indented with it's a plaster pillow and then that was the biggest indented pillow I've ever seen. And his clothes were paper mache like his body was paper mache and then they had to do a to see him fading back to himself. They started with a shot of a skeleton, a real skeleton. And then they had a dummy that they kept making up to look a little more and more like clawed each

each time. I don't know how many times they shot it but they'd be like each frame. Then you lay all those shots on top of each other and dissolve into it until it's actually him. You know. Wow. Wow. A lot of hard work back in the day. Yeah. All the practical stuff that you know, all practical and physical make laying the film and doing all that is pretty incredible. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. I mean decades before green screen or CGI. I mean,

by most end they were that's remarkable. Black velvet screen back in the day. This remark like can me people are lazy today? They wouldn't there's no mean there's no way they would be able to get that done today. Well, and then you're just sitting there and thinking about it like as like a technical problem solved. Yeah. It's so interesting. Like we'll build this and we'll do that are actually building the things to make it work. That's crazy. And James Well, he

he had a lot of trouble letting any creative, anything creative out of his hands. He would have shot lists next to the dialogue. You would say I want to close up here. I want this here which I think is fine. But then you would have sketches of what art department should make the rooms look like. They said that like it was a big deal. But to me that sounds like maybe I'm fine with the director. Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe back then the studio had such a say over everything

that I was literally hired to come in and just make sure it all happened. Yeah. For sure. Gosh, man. I did notice some I didn't notice some like cool things in like the movie like where the piano player is playing like the very beginning and and he stops playing and then the guy puts the quarter in and turns it and he actually he's playing again. I'm like, oh, there's a little little little easter egg there. So that he's not actually playing the piano. It's just playing

playing by itself. Yeah. And yeah, there's it's just funny how the invisible man comes in like and like the lady says, Uno Connor is like, no, we have no rooms. There's no one here at this time. I like I want a room and okay, I'll get it ready for you and I'll get you some dinner right away. And like he just got everything he wanted right at the back. Oh, wow. That was easy. Like, geez. Yeah, there's a few weird things like that in the in the movie.

Yeah. Yeah. There's some of us right away. The lady just brings in the food and there's something else I thought that because they're like, we don't have any rooms. Then he's like, no, I need a room. They're like, okay. Okay. And I can you what can you bring me a spoon? Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And can you take my coat and wash it? Yes. Like what? They held the women they are the women drinking at their own table. Yeah.

The back. They are their own beer table. The women's beer drinking table. Well, I think that wraps up. Yeah. I did see I just want to touch I did see that there was like six more after this. There's the invisible man returns in 1940. The invisible woman. There's invisible agent. The invisible man's revenge. Abbott and Castella meet the invisible man. So yeah, there's quite a few. Wow. But the phone make it to all those. No, no, no, we've got we've got we're we're going to have to cycle

back to Rob's picks here. Yes. Yeah. You got to be with her. And we definitely will be doing the oh nice. Yeah. Oh, hey, Reagan. She can't hear us. Rob's daughter. I was saying there. There was a a two thousand seventeen the invisible man that looks like he was very bad. It only got three out of 10 stars out of 200 reviews on IMVB. Yeah, it's it's definitely different. But I mean, that was I think that movie and then the Tom Cruise mommy pretty much submarine any efforts to

do the universal monsters, which I don't know why I don't know why they picked those two. I'd doubt the mummy's not I was never a fan of the mummy. The Brendan Fraser things I love the Brendan Fraser mummy. I didn't they're good. I didn't really get the invisible man being on the list because I mean like again, like it's been such a huge gap between them. But like I like to see like another wolf man because I thought the Antonio bandier's wolf man was good or Benicio

del Toro. Yeah, that one. That's the one. Yeah, that's the guy. That's good. It was good. I thought it was good because it's just like so gory and violent. It was good. I didn't think I'd never seen that one. I didn't think that Tom Cruise mummy was that bad. I don't I never I just never saw it. I never saw it either. I'd like to rewatch it actually. I thought it was pretty good. I remember it got hammered. I just didn't think. But I don't know if that was when was that was

that like right at right during COVID? 2019, 22 years before before I thought it was before that. I just I don't remember I'm already seeing too many commercials. I didn't realize it was supposed to be the universal mummy. I just thought it was a movie called The Mummy. You know, I don't know. But that's just me being ignorant. Yeah. Why are you being ignorant blanket?

So you don't you don't really see like the creature from the black dude or like the invisible man as like Halloween characters like you see Dracula, Frankenstein, Wolfman, Mummy, but you don't really like those they were like were like never seen. I'm gonna be invisible man this year and you gotta do it. Not and not be seen out. Trick or treating. There you go. Yeah.

That's a good thing. It's fun. You're right. You said we have like several houses on the way trick or treating that all would like they all had like pre-mixed liquor beverages for the adults. Oh yeah. Oh my name is do that. They've just like every every two past we have like a hot totty or a shot or a beer or something like that to keep the adults going. Let's see. That's fun. That's what it's worth it. Yeah. Last year they had like like yeah, Jello shots like shots of what's

that to send them to the cooler? The whiskey? Fireball. Fireball. Yeah. Yeah. You know that they're alcoholics when they have Jello shots and fireball. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. You know when you go to someone's house and you're like can I get you some drink like just take like a whiskey on the rocks and they're like fireball? Like now. Get the fuck out of my face right now. No, thank you. So you got to any

beer? Oh yeah, can I get like a butt light or. No. No, no, no, no. Oh, no, oh, god. No, Michael ultra no Corona what about the Mitchell a lot of the the the Mitchell the mecha lot is yeah no thank you I don't need a really into it here no yeah I don't like red beers I'm sorry like the people that like take Corona and they put like to get a juice for come on juice in there no I'm not no thank you I'm not a huge I really have a straight up bloody Mary yeah yeah yeah yeah if I'm gonna do that

now all right well I think that wraps up invisible man yeah there we go we're gonna be doing final destination that's our next movie I want me the feables this is we'll get we'll get me the people's to do let's see if you guys want me to see four episodes in a row that I haven't got to watch when I want to watch that's because it'll just make you look nice and accounted for like two years worth well for you guys oh yeah god that was incredible that movie will always be

a grain of my brain you are expecting it oh gosh it was very different that's you know I just keep hanging poultry guys over me I brought anthropophagus in oh there's some good ones yeah some good ones but I will say I didn't rewatch Donnie Darko on the Jo Bob thing I've got a whole new

appreciation for that brings us to our net too what do you watch yeah what did you I've never seen Donnie Darko dude how oh my god you don't even see it fuck I'm a guy right it that was like everybody's right yeah fuck I need to watch it like tonight yeah that he's watching with Jo Bob watch it on the shutter because he he breaks it down I remember watching it as a teenager and not understanding it at all but then we watched it as an adult and I'm like oh I

get this I mean he watched it at all is it something about breaking it down is really fun to watch because it's of course it's Jake Joe and Han I love Jake I actually budget all's colon oh he is cool yeah I got the new Prada oh he does he does add for them or something yeah yeah a big picture of him at Alton I was like done I didn't even have testers so I couldn't even spell it I just bought it I love it it actually is good it's like sea salt and driftwood okay so it's got like a

zesty citrusy beach but then it has like a real man's man like cedar I could imagine Jake the whole smelling just like that too he's got the perfect amount of scruff maybe he was he covered Donnie Darko what else did you watch anything Rob anything notable I watched man on fire with Conor he'd never seen man on fire oh that's good one and I cry I have to lie down I cry my eyes out of man on fire at the end of that movie it's great yeah it's a tear-jerker right and then he wanted to watch another

Denzel so then we watched American gangster which I think American gangster I think American gangster watch the movie solid movie I just loved that El Washington um watch Donnie Darko there a movie or something that I rented or watched I

watched bag head finally that you were talking about I thought it was pretty good bag head was good bag head some shutter it's good has the girl from the Witcher see I watched some Eric and a movie oh nice yeah movie that was like a thriller it was love Eric yeah what happened to him

yeah he doesn't where do you go I haven't seen anything yeah this is like a lifetime movie this is like a super low budget really it's good though but it's like a series like it's like the Alex Cross series but with a New Zealand detective it's called the dry oh that's a picture for that

it was pretty good I won't not say it was bad but I'm like this is Eric Banna yeah like I was like a monster would you recommend watching that movie I would it's it's a it's a slow burn it's a thriller it's not a fast paced it's I'm not I mean and it's not like a big time it's like watching

an Agatha Christie movie you know it's just like it's just like a who done it but Eric Banna of course is fantastic in it yeah yeah but like I just don't know what happened I figured when I saw it I'm like huh Eric Banna yeah where the hell is Eric Banna Banna maybe yeah it's been busy living

in our hearts yes yes that's about online watch this I've been watching alone we're finally you've been watching it alone no I've been watching alone yeah I know alone is alone oh and then what else oh I watched oh I watched blown away with Tommy Lee Jones and Jeff Bridges about the Irish the

IRA bomber from like 1994 pretty good Tommy Lee Jones plays I forgot how good Tommy Lee Jones was he plays a great crazed lunatic and then of course I was like oh bomb movie so then I watch speed oh yeah and dude speed still holds up still really good I need to watch it really it does man Dennis

Hopper is fantastic in it yeah uh uh uh Daniels is really good Sandra Bullock yeah I can give her take Sandra Bullock but you can it's all it's all it's all there it was like the movie back in like the 90s like the time I'm watching it over and over again okay that movie is called a force

of nature is the Eric Banna movie it's a sequel to their the dry and I mean yeah but you don't have to watch them in order because every movie is like a whole different case that Eric Banna's on I just this one was like in like the mountains and rain forest of New Zealand it just kind of

appealed more to me so I gave a shot but I'll definitely watch the other one like it wasn't bad it's just like what happened Eric Banna yeah I don't know yeah well I I watched on the airplane ride from Cusrike I watched Dracula untold finally that Danny recommended it was freaking good man that's

a good movie it's on Netflix right now go watch it on Netflix guys it's good it's good movie Luke Evans is great our buddy Zach the gowns in it and it's uh I mean all around just it's uh very good story there's some going it and it's like the back it's like a story you've never heard of Dracula you know I tried to watch him acutely that was one oh yeah that's what yeah he said he watched that movie that movie lulled me to sleep I mean really I passed it wasn't quite as good

as I thought it was going to be I guess I woke up to Savannah yelling at me because something was disgusting happening at the end of it but like I just it was I mean like I've watched slow burn boring movies but like something about the tone and the acting and the soundtrack dude I

know it was like taking a binadrill really I couldn't get through it I just fell asleep and I was like I'm not gonna be all right I think it may it may be good I just it didn't it didn't grab me in like the first 45 minutes for the past yeah Sydney Swinii

Sydney Swinii yeah I saw the invitation on Netflix too I just downloaded two they're having to be both vampire movies um that's what the girl from Game of Thrones and that was pretty good too it was it wasn't like the greatest but it was it was it was good I watched the first

ohman I thought that was actually really good okay that's funny to put on my list yeah that's no I walked it they throwbacks to the first one right well yeah they the filming style it's a prequel yeah and the the filming style was very much I think intentional to make it seem like

it was made when the first one was made it was really good it's $20 I saw it I love it's on Hulu right now or HBO Hulu HBO one of them yeah it's for my watch list that was one that I was trying to check it's really good I thought I liked it I remember I remember Carbello talking about

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