Welcome to The Cult Classic Horror Show. Every week you can have the conversations you've always wanted to have about the films you love. Get rid of your distractions and prepare yourself. Welcome everybody to The Cult Classic Horror Show. Danny Bohnen here with you guys and everybody else. Carmelo Chimera. The Carmelo Chimera draft pick winner of 2023. People's Champion. This is a, I guess it's turned into a unique special episode.
Dare I say a gentleman's episode finally. We have our only most refined horror opinions. Yes, we have our whiskeys. I have chosen the Strana Hands Colorado original whiskey. Yes. Excellent choice. I have Joseph Magnus, Bourbon, Triple Cast, distilled and the 2019 world's favorite bourbon. Lovely. And Carmelo is still awaiting a new microphone. So I think he's coming in clear. But just if you notice a little bit of a difference,
that's why the story goes now. But no, Scotty is traveling and was supposed to make it. And last minute said he couldn't. Rob is also traveling. And we sort of knew he maybe wasn't going to make it this whole time. He said this particular movie this week was too hard core for him that it's scary. Yeah, he couldn't handle it. He couldn't handle it. No, go down. My name is The Washer. Yeah. Normally in these situations, we would actually post
a poem. But we literally just post-poned two weeks ago. And we got a little bit of flack for that. And I just I don't want an I don't want an uproar of millions of people. So. Right. When you have as many millions of listeners as we do, it's dangerous to disappoint your fans. Yes, we're so to quell the uprising, come hell or high water, we're delivering some content tonight. That's right. No matter who shows up, I'll sit here by myself and do a Huberman style podcast
for you. But luckily, here we are. Here we are. We talked about Danny and I just doing like butt stuff for you on camera. Yeah. Maybe that would like only fan style, but we just could make the flight times worse. Yeah. And we would also come to fruition in 39 seconds. And it's just wouldn't be enough content. It would need too quick. Yeah. It wasn't long enough for
not enough content. So jeepers creepers. Jeepers creepers. Fear takes a road trip. Now I'm a little curious, Carmelo, because while deciding when to do this episode, because there were sometimes last week that would have worked for Rob, I was just sort of like, who is there anyone that's going to care if they miss it? Carmelo was like, I, I, I, I, I, you want to do a jeepers creepers. So what is this, is this movie of a special place in your heart or something?
Yeah, I think I think this movie does. I first of all, Christine would never let me hear the end of it if I miss the jeepers creepers. It's famously one of her favorite horror movies. I would, I did my homework. I watched it, you know, again, even though I've seen it many times. Sure. I've trapped myself forward. So I felt like, no, I was really excited to talk about it. And I noticed a lot about the movie that I thought, you know, this will be fun to discuss. I, I,
I, first impressions, I love this movie. Yeah. Yeah. So much of it works and we'll get into that as we talk about the film. And there's so much mystery. I love like, what is this creature, you know, from from when's does it come? All of these things are, are kind of capture the imagination. It's just the right amount of, of story, but it hints at the lore. So it's not, it's not so much lore that you get like bogged down in the exposition. And it keeps me coming back. I love the cast.
I love a lot about this movie. Unfortunately, it's, it's got this, this cloud hanging over it that we're going to talk about. We will, but we won't make it about that. I've seen a lot of comments saying, well, don't just talk about them. Fucking. Yeah. Just, you know, but we have our hot takes here. We're here to give it to you straight. We are straight. No chaser. So this is one of Chris's favorite, like horror movies from back of the day. Yeah. Yeah. This is one of like, like so much so that
she even wants to watch the reboot version, which we have all heard is fucking awful. Yeah. I've heard nothing but bad things about it. And I know, I remember the last time I know I've seen the immediate sequels, but I just cannot for the life of me recall any of them, honestly. I, I think it's, I think we're going to have a short episode with so many fewer people. So I think we're going to have time. I think we can discuss the sequels. Okay. I'll recap and for you.
It will just be you telling me what happened because I totally forgot. Yeah. It'll be me ranting about what? Yeah. Just raving and ranting. Just absolutely. Well, this movie, I mean, my first impressions. I love this movie too. It's, it's got, you know, there's some things about it that aren't super amazing, but just as a whole package deal, I like it. And it brings back some
memories. I remember watching this movie while I was, gosh, I must have been like sophomore year, junior year of, must have been sophomore year of high school at a house party with my girlfriend at the time. It's like one of those house parties where everything has sort of calmed down and people are passing out. So it's probably 2 30 AM, you know, right. Yeah. And it was my buddy's house, my buddy Rudy. He was roommates with this guy. And so we just turned on a movie. I mean, it was
Jeepers creepers and watched the movie after the movie. I'd like bang my girlfriend in my buddy's room. And so yeah, so it just has these memories. I think Scotty was there that night, but he like, Pat, he like fell in the ditch earlier and then just I don't know if he drove home or someone drove him. I don't know what happened. Well, it's on this guy. Yeah. He's just one of those nights. And it was capped off by like Jeepers creepers, you know. I don't know. It's like the best night
today. Yeah. It's not for hormones. Yeah, I think it takes you back. Yeah. It was amazing. I think someone had ordered pizza. There's a ton of pizza. You know, everyone was wasted. I actually didn't really drink at the time. So I wasn't really wasted. I was just fully taking in Jeepers creepers, you know, like I was interested. Yeah. And like two in the morning, you stumble on it. It's got the history. What is this? You know, and it's not the same as just streaming a movie on demand.
It's not just finding a movie. It's it's no. That being said, I watched this again last night and I was fighting the urge to fall asleep, like three fours of the way through. So it didn't, but that could have been because I've seen it before and whatever, but still a great movie. So let's jump in. I guess, I guess if you want to give us a synopsis, we'll start there. What's
this movie about? I'm so glad you asked. So in Jeepers creepers, siblings, dairy and trish are on their way home from college when a scary truck almost runs them off the road and they they realize that this truck is dumping what looks like bodies into some kind of a tube. And you know, being good Samaritans as they are, they take a look to see that in fact, not only is there a body down there, there are many, many bodies sewn together and mummified into a small
church, freaking out. They're desperately searching for help, but I'm able to find it because they're in the middle of Poet on QSA when they find themselves pursued by this killer. Only to learn that the killer is no killer at all, but rather a creature that with the help of a psychic whose superpower is to expose that information about the film, we learn that the creature eats its prey. Every 27 years it comes out like the cicadas that are surrounding my house. Oh no, Dan, you frozen.
I have a captive audience. One moment. We got to insert that like technical difficulties. Yeah, I think it was recording all the time, but my screen, my display keeps on just fucking me right in the ass and I don't know why it's doing that. So maybe I'll just use the laptop the whole time. Well, I like the laptop. We can see the poster for murder Yellowstone City, which is a lot of fun. Next to it is Sin Eater. If you can barely see it. There it is.
All right, but anyways. So yes, they realize this creature eats its prey when it comes out of hibernation every 27 years and when it eats its prey, it sort of sort of takes that body part into itself and that's how it keeps it alive like immortal because it's constantly replacing its body parts with its victims. And in the end, they're unable to stop this this invincible creature. It lays waste to a police station between between it and and dairy
intrusion. It takes dairy away and takes his eyeballs. Very true. Very true. I might go funky again for a second here, but let's let's see. I'm trying to fix this. All right. All right. So geez. Spotlight. Sorry, guys. If you're watching online, you can see that my camera had some issues and then I'm just, you know, had to fix it here. So we should just over this all segment put one of those old tiny technical difficulties. Anyways, I'll swap the camera out too, but yeah. So
well, numbers. How about some numbers here? So yeah, this actually was was a success. The budget was 10 million. That's what I see. And let me just say I'm changing the display camera. There we go. And grossed 59.4 million worldwide. I'll get into some more numbers on when we get down to reception, but basically, yeah, it had a huge opening. It was number one for Labor Day weekend. And it was the highest grossing Labor Day weekend opening at the time. It beat out the Crow
City of Angels that held that before. Now, I don't know. That's the stat I saw. I don't know if that is only pertaining to the genre because that sounds like, you know, a different movie should have held that spot like Rain Man or something. You know what I mean? Right. Right. Maybe Labor Day weekend is not a popular weekend to open movies. Not a big weekend opener. Yeah. And beating up Crow City of Angels is an awful lot like when those two candy kept kids on South Park Fought.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's I that's the visual we need. Yeah. It's not awesome. It's not crazy. But no, let's jump into it. Let's jump into it. So yeah, yeah. I saw the movie. Filming locations. This movie was filmed in various locations in Central Florida, including O'Cala, Wildwood and Dunnellin to name a few. You know, I think that makes a lot of sense. I can see this taking place in Florida. Yeah. And and O'Cala is like 80 miles north of Orlando.
Now, I wouldn't picture by the looks of it, I would think it was Midwest, you know, in the country. But Solva called the like he he picked that location because it had the look to the Midwest. And but it also had these grueling temperatures. So I don't know maybe it was a tax credit thing or something like that. Why he ultimately chose Florida. It doesn't make any sense to me because Florida doesn't have a film tax credit to my house.
They never seen income tax. Yeah, that's true. So I and who knows what it was like in 2001 or 2000 when they filmed this, but still. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. I don't know. Well, he he called the filming process grueling because they had to work during the summer and there were heat waves, high temperatures. Obviously, Central Florida in the middle of summer is just it's not going to be a good time. No. And if Robert here, I'm sure he would tell us that Florida is not a good time
at any time of year. But no, no, although he keeps telling us all to move there. So he's not selling it. No, he's not selling it. And when we went there, we got eaten alive by mosquitoes. We wouldn't last a week eating alive, I dare say. Good Lord. I still have scars from those mosquito bites. Dude, so then I tell you last. So Carmelo and I went fishing with Rob down in outside of Bradenton, Annamaria and Holy fuck like we each got at least 278 mosquito bites or nats the nocyms.
And Scotty and Rob same situation, same deal had like two two each or something. Oh, yeah, no big deal. Neither of them. Yeah. I don't know what happened. I don't know what. So anyways, I think I told you this. I went back, you know, the next year, this was must have been
last year or something. And went fishing again with Rob in the same sort of area. Right. And this time I was like, no, I wore like boat shoes with long socks with like pants, canvas pants with one of those airy fishing shirt long sleeves, you know, to cover me up that Rob got me with a neck gator covering my neck and the hat. And sometimes I had it over my face. And still, I probably had about
22 bites after fishing like still. It was like it was what I want to say, bearable like 22 bites compared to 222 bites isn't as bad. But it was still like what the fuck? Yeah, I mean, you'd think of all that, you know, mummified wrapping around you. You would have been able to protect yourself. It's just terrible. I've never seen mosquitoes that aggressive. It's horrible. Yeah, no, I scratched my ankles and my calves. Oh God, I went to Disney directly
afterwards. And the like the ones on my Achilles, like where the shoe and sock were just rubbing out and it robbed and kept the itching going. Oh man, anyway, and this lizard can and have one of those like bite sucker things that's supposed to make them. Oh yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I mean, he's passing it back and forth. I don't even think you did anything. I mean, I would just take the placebo effect at that point. Exactly. Exactly. My wife is starting to itch talking about
that. I know. I just, I just, there might be an idea for a horror movie or although we probably seen that before itchy, pussy, you know, growths. No, I think the problem I have is like, I'm terrified of certain kinds of bugs. And so like if you wanted to make a genuine horror movie, I can't think of a better way to do it than about something you actually are afraid of. But I couldn't, like, I couldn't tolerate the shooting. Yeah, I don't know. That's all BCG, you know. Yeah, yeah,
exact. And I would not be involved in the CG process. Well, Victor Salva speaking of he is the writer and director. We'll touch on him here. So Victor Salva is known for films such as Powder, Rites of Passage, Peaceful Warriors, Dark Horse and the Jeepers Creepers franchise. He also, and but not the newest one, he did the three Jeepers creepers. He also wrote and directed the second
and third installments of the franchise, like I said. So, but as we sort of hinted at his reputation and legacy is tarnished by this controversy surrounding a child molestation, conviction and when he was 30 years old, well, before most all of these movies that he did, which actually I didn't know that. It was surprising to me. So it was in 1988 when this sort of went down. And I thought that because I remember when the third Jeepers creepers came out and it was
this big ol hoopla, it was like, oh, don't support this child molester and all this stuff. And I thought that I knew that the incident happened long ago, but I thought they had just unearthed it. But that's not the case at all. So, yeah, it like happened and the repercussions happened and people were just still bringing it up as like the third movie came out. So that's that I'm assuming that obviously it's resurfaces every time he goes to release a film, you know.
Yeah, that's because that's what I was I was confused about until we did our research for this is I thought something new had happened or like someone had come forward. But it's it's really just any timing makes it even going back to powder in 95 for Disney. Yeah, it looks like people were like picketing and passing out leaflets when yeah, well, I think what well, sorry, I was going to say I
think one of the main drivers for the hoopla around Jeepers creepers three. And I have it in the notes here is that there was a plot point in that film of a child victim of molestation and he ended up like either just fine yet or getting rid of it or something. There's definitely a line I remember reading that there's a line in that movie that's something like you can't you don't choose who you love or something like that. And that was taken very much as
like a justification of sexual abuse. And so people are like, oh now he's also using that form to like defend more than all. That's true. Yeah. And that but and then what's interesting is that's what killed it. You know, we got Jeepers creepers two and three before someone put a stop to this and rebooted it. Yeah. And when we talk about the sequels later, we'll see that at least for like fans of this series, that's unfortunate because three sets up a fourth. Yeah, does it?
Okay. I know I now I'm interested. I want to rewatch. So we'll talk about him. But yeah, I won't get there over later. But yeah, so in 1988, he was Victor Salvo's fielding offers to make high profile studio films when he was charged with having oral sex with 12-year-old Nathan Forest Winters while directing Nathan in the movie Clown House. Yeah. So after he confessed to the crime and Salva at the age of 30 was sentenced to three years in prison and he served 15 months
before his release in 1989. So he pleaded guilty to loot and you know, what is that last last was Sivius? Was Sivius? Was Sivius conduct? You know, yeah, you're the lawyer. I know. For lawyer, this charge how serious? Yes. And having sex with the or having oral sex with the person under 14 and and procuring a child for pornography. All the money sentence to three fucking years. That's what I thought. I was like, what the fuck? I mean, 1988, but
the 80s all the time, I guess. I mean, he fucking pleaded guilty to it, which I realized they did in exchange for a more lenient sentence. But I just feel like child pornography and I mean, oral sex with a 12-year-old. I just sort of feel like that's a double digits. Who is on the giving and the receiving end? I wonder. I also wonder. Maybe the 12-year-old was like, you know what? It's unfortunate. But that was the best hat I've ever had.
Well, John was there, you know, teaching a lot of this. Yes. This is just touching on that would have been so much worse if Rob was here. You know that. I know Rob would have made it. He would have watched on a lot more. Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's what the shit is. Since we're making fun of of this, I should quote Winters here. He told the Associated Press that Salvos returned to filmmaking. Just makes me sick. I'm not going to stand by. He should not be allowed to live his
life as if nothing happened. And I mean, three years, he only served 15 months. He didn't even do half his time. That's just crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. And obviously the kid wasn't okay with it because, like as you mentioned before, when Victor Salva did powder in 1995 for Walt Disney, his Nathan was outside the studio, picketing and handing out leaflets about just saying negative things about, you know, don't support this film. You're supporting child molester basically. Yeah. Yeah.
And I mean, you know, for context, that's six years after the conviction, seven years after the crime. So we're talking about a 19 year old. So this is someone who was tremendously damaged by what happened. And also like bold enough and brave enough to stand up out and talk about this, you know. So this isn't, I don't know how to put this, but there are some of these cases where you hear about people who, oh, you know, it was a minor, but it was his 17 year old girlfriend. He was 18. And
then they got married. Yeah. You know, this poor guy's 50 years old and was convicted for sexually abusing the woman that he then spent the rest of his life. Yeah. Yeah. This isn't one of those cases where there's something on the line or something where the log gets it wrong. And we're talking about a straight up oral section of the 12 year old who was not consenting. And then, you know, not very
long after actively picking this guy. Yeah. Yeah. So pretty cut and dry. Yeah. Yeah. It's really not a lot of like I always wondered. I look at the story here. And then we did. Yeah. Like surely there's more to this story. Well, I think that it probably did ruin some things because because people saw him as a good, a really good filmmaker. I mean, the Orlando Sentinels Roger Moore wrote that Salva was perhaps too talented for an exploitative horror movie. But this is all that Hollywood would let
convicted child monsters do. And not only that, he this movie is executive produced by Francis Ford Coppola. Yeah. Yeah. I noticed that on this viewing. I didn't know that before. That's crazy. Yeah. Surprisingly. So it makes it just I don't know if there's any kind of connection there, but it just makes me think that he probably had avenues to make films like Coppola and award-winning material and whatever. You know. So I think that's probably right. And it sounds like he was,
you know, like you said, fielding major offers from Sydney for. But Salva's words on this are interesting. And I know we promised we weren't going to just talk about it. We're not going to just talk about it. No, no, we'll move on in a minute. Yeah. I love to talk about like how the creature works and what makes this movie scary, but we'll get this out of the way. So Salva had some interesting words to share about this. And I think it's fascinating. He said, I pled guilty to a
terrible crime. And I spent the rest of my life trying to make up for it for almost 20 years. I've been involved with helping others. I've been in therapy and I've made movies. But I paid my debt to society and apologize to the young man. And all I can hope is that people will give me a chance to redeem myself. Now, what I think is interesting about this is because he struck on something really interesting. When you ostracize perpetrators of a crime, they're more likely to commit more
crimes. Right. The thing that stops most of us from murdering and arson and all the other crimes that are out there is the fact that you have family and friends, like you have a lot to lose. Yeah. When you don't, right, the recidivism rate just goes up. That's just statistically true. And while it sounds like we both agree, his sentence on this was totally out of line with what we would have thought. There is also something to be said for like, yeah, you get sentenced to a crime,
and then you go to jail and you do the crime, you do the time. But then afterward, theoretically, and I'm not saying this with child molesters, but in general, you go to jail, and then you want to be able to like get out and get a job and live your life. And theoretically, you should because our system has no double jeopardy. You don't just suffer forever. You do X years and then you are job. Sure. Sure. So, you know, he's making an interesting point here,
which is this man is, I mean, we've seen his career has been obliterated. Yeah. You know, and like you said, every time he makes a movie, it comes up again. And I'm not saying what he did was defensible by any stretch, but he makes a point that like he was sentenced to jail, he served jail as was the sentence. And he's still going to be punished for the rest of his life. Yeah. I don't know what conclusion I'm drawing, other than I think that's interesting. Yeah, I know
it is. It's in that sort of of the things that's a hard thing to forget. I almost think he could have murdered a dude and yeah, people would have forgotten about it by now. Absolutely. There's more all kinds of justifications for murder that we've been okay with or would have, I mean, look at and again, not defending this, but to your point, Math Robric famously killed somebody in a drunk driving accident. Oh yeah. And did not serve time to my knowledge. Correct. Audience cracked me from
wrong. We don't sit here just boycotting Matthew Broderick forever. There's now there's some people who do. There's some people who won't forget this. Sure. But it's not like this. I mean, Salvatore, I don't make a movie without it being picketed because of this. But of course, he did make his most successful movies, which would be the Jeepers, Creepers franchise after the fact. So I guess we can't, he can't complain too much. But, but yes, maybe it has barred him from
from being the next frickin' Scorsese. I don't know. Maybe not. I mean, conceivably because he does this clown house movie, which looks like a kind of horror movie. I'm not familiar with it. In 88. And then in 12 years later, he's still doing horror movies. And and and Jeepers Creepers being so well received is probably a testament to his skill as a filmmaker. Yeah. Yeah. It's a $10 million horror movie. It could have been garbage. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Good. Well, let's talk about the film.
We got we get into production here. So, yeah. So according to Justin Long, he and Gina. So Justin Long obviously played Dairy, Gina. I mean, look at the last Gina Phillips played Trish, Jenner. And then this is actually I looked her up. This is what she's mainly known for. She's done a ton of other stuff, but just nothing else that really stood out at me, you know? Yeah, she looked familiar to me. Like she had this face where I'm like, I've seen this woman before. But then I
I have not seen her in a little bit. No, exactly. I thought the same thing. I was like, hmm, what else is she done? And then I started looking and I'm like, well, she's done a ton. I just I don't really know what any of it. Yeah. And some of it makes me some of it I'm thinking is like she's she's very, very attractive, but also in like a very normal kind of way. Mm-hmm. I would agree. You see what I mean? Yeah. And in that sense, I think she looks familiar because I'm like, oh,
like I know like a dozen girls that look like. Yeah. And obviously watching, rewatching this just and long just looks so young to me in this movie. Yeah. He does. He looks like a baby. He really does. And he I think he looks a bit younger than her, but I always have that that syndrome where it's like I see a girl at a certain age. And I'm like, okay, that makes sense. And then I see a guy at that age and like, oh, he looks he looks like he's like four years younger. Right. Right. Some with guys
just that this boy has seemed to be younger than they actually are for some reason. I don't know. That's not like a creeper thing to say, but no, but I get it. Like how often do you see like, you know, mid-20s playing teenagers on the CW, which, you know, for all kinds of good reasons. I mean, you can't cast a teenager who's constantly like changing hormones. But then like the girls in there are much younger. And Hollywood is very unfair to women once they get over like 30,
35. True enough. You're basically elderly. There's, you know, there's parts for like Judy Dench and there's parts for 21 year old Geno Louise Phillips. But there's really nothing in between. Yeah, not a whole lot. Yeah. We're used to seeing James Bond or Daniel Craig at 50 for a opposite up 31 year old, you know, so that's why we've been trained that way. So we have Jonathan
Breck as the creeper. So according to Justin Long and Gina, he tried, they tried to avoid interaction with Breck throughout the entire shoot to avoid connecting with the actor, which benefited their performances by making them actually look scared when they were in a character, which I think is fine. You hear about this happening where characters don't get along. Maybe you don't really fratize with them on set. Yeah. Yeah. But the creeper was designed by storyboard artist Brad Parker.
Its costume was created by Brian Panicaz. Panicaz, I'm saying that right. From makeup and monsters as the company. But then its wings were created by Charles Garcia and digitally rendered by buddy Geen Scott Ramsey and Bob Morgan Roth. That's a great name. That is a great name. So much in the wings just wanted to say this was something that I noticed on this viewing is there's
not a ton of CGI in this movie. Not a ton, no. Except for the wings. And I think what makes it hold up, like I even went, I rewound and watched again when the creeper carries dairy off at the end. And the CGI looks great. Like it holds up just fine. And I think it's because they stayed in their lane. They only did it for like the wings or the things it could not do physically. They mix it with mostly practical effects. When they do the CGI, it's dark and he's like behind a tree and
he's far away. And so they stayed in their lane. They didn't say like, let's have this big spectacle. It's small. And so even though frankly for when this movie came out, CGI was not great at the time. No, no. It wasn't it. So yeah, they didn't make a big noticeable show of it. And you're right. The only CGI parts in the movie are the wings themselves. And then when he flies away with dairy over over the moon. So yeah, in front of the moon. And it works. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, so they shot for two months in Florida, a month and a half of that was at night. So they'd start at five in the afternoon and would just stop when the sun came up, which is pretty brutal. But at least it allowed it to be cooler temperatures because they're at night. Nice.
This was a fun little thing I found that we'll see at the end here. It was not confirmed by Salva, but many film news sources believe the film was loosely inspired by the case of Dennis DePue in Coldwater, Michigan in 1990, brother and sister Ray and Marie Thornton witnessed DePue who had already caught their attention after quickly driving past them moments prior, disposing of a blood soaked blanket behind an abandoned schoolhouse. So DePue then tailgated
them for two miles. And after he drove off the siblings returned to the schoolhouse to investigate DePue finding the blanket and reporting their findings to the police. The murder case and subsequent manhunt of DePue were featured on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries on March 20, 1991, which my mom probably watched because she loved that show. And who didn't? It's an awesome show. I need to go back and watch it. Yeah. But yeah, then the following day, DePue committed suicide
during a shootout with police in Mississippi. The episode's reenactment of the events and details contained throughout such as the license plate game that the Thornton said they played were obviously similar to the opening scenes of this film. So a lot of people have seen that and pointed it out. But Victor Selva never confirmed that he wrote the script based off that.
He did say however that the beginning was based on a true story that he was told only it was an elderly couple and they went back to this pipe to see what he was throwing down there. Victor Selva thought it was a tremendously brave thing for them to do but also remembered when he heard it thinking if that was a movie, if they went back, he would be on edge of his seat. So I don't know anything else about this elderly people's story. But I know it.
Yeah. Why is this an episode of Unsolved Mysteries? It sounds very solved. Yeah, I mean, he committed suicide and maybe there were the bodies were unsolved? I don't know. I had to watch it. Maybe, yeah, I don't know. That's interesting. Yeah, and if you know what happened here, let us know. We're curious. Yeah, that's interesting. So yeah, so after a summer of watching Blair Witch and Sixth Sense, Selva wrote his own monster movie. But I know we weren't going to talk about this again,
but I looked up Victor Selva. Oh, he did. I saw some pictures of him. He super looks like a Venezuelan. He does look like a creeper. Yeah, definitely. I like the pun that was good. That was good. But anyways, that's how G. Pritch creepers came about. He grew up watching old classic universal movies, you know, creatures in the Black Lagoon and Dracula. And he based more, those movies based more on suspense and shadows. So he wanted to predicate G. Pritch creepers on images that would be hard
to forget. He liked devoting his time to just just a few characters and getting this monster right. And that's part of what I do like about this movie. We'll talk about some of that imagery in a second, I think. Here. But anyway, so in the opening, we had the heat coming off the road. I mean, that was a real reminder that they dealt with an average temperature of close to 100 degrees every day while shooting. She's got. And the humidity had to be it's there, you know,
that it's humid there too. That's just unbearable. Yeah, it's pretty rough. But, uh, but yeah, he liked the location. He liked the rural heart, rural heartland for the script. Horse country is central Florida, a lot of open space. And he was actually surprised how well it fit. But one of the things Salva's most proud of and rightfully so is the actors in the film. He said he
cast smart actors and was proud of that. And I thought that it was an awesome job. Um, yeah, the character of Trish is is guarded tough, a preoccupied and offensive, you know, Gina wrote herself over like a hundred questions she had to answer in character and wrote a ton of notes about her character traits. So she just felt confident in what she would do in the moment while preparing for this. Uh, this is funny. It's like, it says just along always wanted to be in a horror movie and found
the experience really cool. And now it seems like he's been in almost nothing but horror. Right, right. Barbarian, for example, and yeah, and uh, what's the, the, uh, uh, fucking one where he's like a walrus. Uh, oh, yeah, Tusk. Tusk, yeah, Tusk. Yeah, Barbarian, you mentioned. I watched, uh, when I mentioned on what did you watch a while back where,
God, what was he called? Like house of darkness or something? I actually think Salva might have done it, uh, recently, recently it was, uh, uh, uh, one location, like three actor movie where he's just having a conversation with these two sisters all night and then they end up being vampires and they kill him. Oh, I think I didn't call it right around the same time as, uh, Barbarian as well. Uh, yeah, yeah, it was, it wasn't too long ago. So a little bit, I mean, the acting is great,
but it's definitely not a lot of happens, but there's some cool dialogue, you know, yeah. He definitely does a great job. So, um, but yeah, when, uh, they were reading a few different actors with Gina and when Justin read, they just quickly developed this brother sister relationship and it was just, uh, it was a match. So that's one thing I really love about this movie is I love that their brother and sister are not a couple because the dynamic is different. Like you just don't see
that dynamic in a lot of horror movies. That makes this it is the part makes it interesting to watch. It's very different. I wouldn't have minded seeing someone get down with that actress though. Oh, yeah, no. I was like, we're not going to see that because their brother sister, but, oh, oh, you know, nobody, nobody, we'll get it in the sequel. She's like, here's old now, by the way. She's how about she's like over 50 now. Really? Yeah. Well, that doesn't know what it's
surprising. How I wonder how well Justin Login's he's probably similar. I'm guessing. Uh, looks like he was born in 78. Oh, so he's I think he's eight. I think she was like 70 or something when I looked her up. So he's like 47. So, okay, that makes sense. Yeah. Well, so the hearts of the movie is a relationship between the brother and sister. According to Salva, this is what separates deepers creepers from your average creature feature or horror film. He used the song
Jeepers creepers. It was, you know, popular song and jazz standard back in the day. It was actually originally from a 1938 movie called Going Places, but premiered by Louis Armstrong and, you know, has been covered hundreds of times since then. Yeah. The movie even has two versions of it in there. Isn't that true? Yeah. There's one like modern, almost electronic version of it. Yeah. Yeah. On the radio and then the old fashioned version, of course, too. Um, right. Salva says that
Derry was sort of a lot like him, I guess. That, that as a younger man and Trish was, yeah, Trish was based on his older sister. So loosely based on characters on him and his older sister. But he fell. He didn't write Trish to her full potential. Uh, and that Gina came in and really helped bring life to the character more, more than what was on the page. Um, and, you know, with her preparedness and everything. So she became more active and more assertive once she got inside the
role. And Salva said he was, he was very collaborative with the actors and wanted, whatever was best for the movie and the characters. He was open to changing, being flexible when things came up during filming process. Um, just a real collaborative effort, I guess, between the actors and him. Um, so yeah, well designer and illustrator, we talked about how Brad Parker storyboard artist and designer sort of came up with the look of the creeper. Um, but he also designed the infamous
demonic looking truck, which has horns and is like a medieval helmet. Uh, yeah, he says he was inspired by an old van that drove by him one day while he was working and he just thought to himself that that looked like the creeper's truck and that expired him to make the initial drawing of the vehicle and then the truck was built. So, uh, but they built three creeper vans. Uh, two trucks actually ran and were used during like the chase scenes. And so let's talk about this truck
because this bothers everybody who watches this movie. Yeah. He registered a license plate. Like, you got a vanity plate for his car. What I wonder because I thought a little bit of that too. It, he has the, the beating you on it. But that's really it. There, I don't see any state or tag stickers or, or anything. It, it, it almost made me because I thought for a moment. Then it made me think,
do he just like make this thing himself or did he? But, but you're right. Did he register that? Like what? Uh, yeah. And, and so my thought was that the car, which looks fairly old, my thought was that the car was a lot like himself where the car was made of pieces of other cars. Which is, is fine. He, but that means that he got that license plate from somebody else. And that means that, yeah, so maybe, so maybe the idea is it was beating you, but then, you know, he gets it and now it
takes on this meeting of be eating you. Yeah. Yeah, be eating you. Exactly. I guess, but, yeah, it's an app kind of bothering you with the car though. It's true. It could be a little hole there, you know. Also, he can fly. So, like, what does he need the fucking truck for? Yeah. Yeah. I guess to carry his body is more easily. He's getting old, you know, he's, he's got a, he's got to mind his back. Exactly. And he does. He does look like he needs a new spine when he's pulled
in those bodies out and thrown him in the, that's true. That's true. You know, the line where Triss says she always thought this would be the road she died on was meant to be a red herring. And you know, so so many horror films kill their female characters and sell the one to throw off the audience. Make them think that that was foreshadowing something, but actually she lives. Yeah. And fun little fact, the scene of Dairy Ping in the field is really just and long just
peeing for the camera in the field. You know, which, which is how it should be? You know, you hear these stories where it's like, oh, well, you know, they gave them like a, a bladder so that they could do a push water out of it. It's like, it's just turn your back to the camera and go piss in that field over there. Yeah, we've been out and fucking drain the snake. You know, hopefully it doesn't take more than one take or two if you have to water up and wait a minute. But as long as you don't
see too many times on camera, pornography. Yeah, exactly. You know, if you shake it more than twice in your playing with it, right? The music in the chase scene was written for the film shot by shot, so that's something self is really proud of. He's real proud of the score. I do recall it a little bit, but it'd be interesting to watch it again, just keeping that in mind. They did a lot of these chase scenes just like Hollywood does. The car was lifted on a rolling platform called a process
trailer, which is lowered or towed, sorry, by the, the quote unquote insert car. The insert car is like a large truck with a director or script supervisor, camera crew, DP, they all are in that. And then they have a guy that drives that keeps everyone safe. He's called the insert car driver. This guy was Jack Carlyder. That was his name. He sounds cool. Yeah, he does. Yeah, it does. So about these chase scenes, because this is one of those things about this movie where I'm like,
this is excellent. I like the movie's not on first viewing. It does not reveal that it's a creature, not until way into the movie. And you know, we know that going in now, but I think it's brilliant that it could have just been a serial killer. And it would have just been just a scale. That's true. The thing about the truck that I love is that you get these shots inside the car where it's a two shot of the brother and sister talking, but in the rear window of the car,
you see the creeper gaining on it. And that is some nail biting shit, right? It is. That is very cool. I actually really like that. The use of the camera there. And it sort of hints to it that when she's waiting out by the road, and then you see the headlights coming up in the background, and they're sort of blurry, it turns out it's not the creeper truck. It's like a similar looking truck that drives by, but it was still, I still liked that. It had an eariness to it, you know. Like we
were seeing something they couldn't see, obviously. Yeah, it's super, it's super does. And you know, if you've ever been on the road and looked in your rear view window, remember your mirror, your door to see if someone's gaining on you and they are, that's very nerve-wracking when you look on, you look back up and it's there. Yeah. And we, that's what they experienced. We get to see the distinct coming. And I mean, it's like watching the woman swimming in jaws and the shark
is coming for her. You're like, get out of the water. Yeah. It's already too late. That's what it felt like to me. Yeah, no, it did. It does. It really does. Well, the most criticism salvo takes in the film is the character is going back to the church. And I did think of this while watching. It's like, why, why are they going back? But he asked himself, you know, what question could, because they pose that would, that would get them to go back. And he ultimately falls on empathy.
It's like, if that was you, was you want someone to come, to come rescue you? So, you know, the line where Trish says, this is the part where the character in a horror movie does something stupid. That was put in there by salvo because he, he knew what the audience would be thinking. He wanted to let him know that, yes, these kids are aware of Freddie and the screen movies, but never felt as if they could happen to them in real life, you know. It's almost
acknowledging like, yeah, it's a stupid decision, but, you know, what can you do? Yeah. And, you know, it's interesting because the compassion angle is an interesting one. Like, Dairy appeals to what if that were you in there and what if we find out later, we could have saved somebody, but we waited too long. Yeah. And I get it. And I don't think it plays as totally stupid. I mean, I think, remember that he's just trying to look down the tube and then he gets dropped down there.
So, he's not trying to like go investigate this too. Yeah. But, you know, for me, I'm like, look, let's say someone is down there, man, and they need attention, you know, aren't you hurting them by just going to get the cops slower than otherwise? That's true. What would you do? Would you go back? Absolutely. Now, I would absolutely offer help, but I would not solo go back. I mean, like, best key scenario to serial killer. What were they going to do then? Yeah.
You know, cheaper groups could have been a serial killer movie. It just isn't. What a day, why not? What would it cost them? What if it was me and you driving? We had a couple drinks. We're a little tipsy. I'm all that's different then. Obviously, we can defeat any physical challenge with each. Of course. Of course. And the risk improves your coordination. Yeah. Yeah. Of course it does. Yeah. And your decision making abilities. Right. Would you why would we make the right decision and go
well? Well, the long pipe scene cuts back and forth between studio and location, assuming, you know, studio is down below location would be the pipe sticking out of the ground. So that's interesting. And Salva really considers this film like a dark piece of art, not just a horror movie. He takes great pride in the film's emphasis on on trauma and the way the actress portrayed fear and
trauma. I will say though, adding a note to that, the the amount of trauma that just the longs character of his dealing with after just simply being I guess in a room with bodies on the ceiling. I guess, but come on. Like you can't even say one word to a sister. They drive all the way to this diner and he still can't like physically communicate with anybody. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. He's in like such shock, you know, which like I get it. I mean, he's basically in the middle of like a
like that fucking the capuchin crypt. If you've ever heard of that, I got to see that in person and no, I have it. Well, dude, it's this crypt in a in a church that no one knows who did this, but they basically took the bodies of dozens and dozens of monks and took their their bones and decorated like three or four small chapels with the bones of these dead priests. No shit. It is truly grotesque to look at. You can't look away and they were just shipping all these bodies
and his monastery and some dudes decided to play with them. Where is this? This is in Rome. Oh, okay. That's badass. It is very badass and it's definitely worth seeing, but that's what's kind of going on here with this this like church of corpses down there. Well, no, I mean, it is freaking. I will say some of the corpses the people had the the ring on from the story from the 70s and the sode back on ahead. I mean, they looked okay, but they definitely looked
plasticky or fake. Like, you know, good way or a bad way, right? Because if it's like off from Mel the hide and preserved, like it does kind of have that. That's true. You know, and Dairy has the same look later in the movie. So maybe it's intentional. Yeah, definitely could have been intentional. We got it. Let's put it this way. If it was bad, it wasn't bad enough to take me out of the fight. No, I just thought it for like two seconds that I was like, all right, you know, let's move on.
But anyways, yeah, fun little fact to Gina learned how to drive a stick shift just for this movie, which I can completely tell because I know it's part of the story, but all she fucking does is grind those gears, man. It's like super grinds those gears. I'm like, is this, is this, is this, like really seriously? She can't, she's grind it. Like when that fake, the the truck comes behind, she thinks it's the creeper, but it's not. She just grinds them for like 30 seconds straight.
She can't find a gear to save her life. No, depressing. You're watching just like, oh my god. But while we're picking on her, let's point out she's one of the better horror movie survivors because not only does she use the car to run over the creeper, yeah, she fakes him out and you know, grinding the gear so he thinks that she's not gonna go and then she goes and she reverses
over him. That's true. And I applaud, you know, I applaud. Yeah, I did too. She actually goes out in like three times and then then dairy has her stop, which I'm like, no, don't stop and you see the wing pop out too, but she does hit him one more time after that. She does. She does. She does. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's, that is good. It's good on her. She's a smart character. The phone conversation with the psychic, I guess, had to be rewritten due to some storytelling
issues. They wanted her to give more exposition, I believe, but they had already filmed just in longs dialogues. They had to still make it match with that. But they did that. They did all right. Yeah, they did. Yeah. And then I didn't notice this, but in that scene, the Jeepers Creepers album that you see sort of in the background is Victor Salva's high school yearbook picture,
doctored up to look older. That's fun. So that was interesting. I guess the shot between the trooper car and Trish and Darry's car were there following each other was one of the hardest shots to get. One of my favorite sequences in the whole world. They finally have police. And now this thing has wings and like they thought they were safe, but they're not. They made smart decisions. They pulled over at the signer. They call the police. They've got, and they're
just fucked though. The Creepers just a bad ass. Yeah, there were multiple. There was two or three times this being one of them in the movie where I'm like, oh, they're like, they're okay now. What's what what can happen now to them? Like they're okay. You know, the first time they got away and they go to the diner, I'm like, oh, they made it. Like they got, they got away. Yeah. Then of course, they don't. And then yeah, the second time being, oh, they're at the police
station. They got the cops. The cops are going back. They're good to go. And, and that's something case, obviously. Yeah, I mean, and that's what's brilliant about this ending is it actually terminator two. And they're like, the police station gets besieged. And it's, you think you're safe. You're surrounded by the police. You're in a safe building. And this thing just tears right through. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, but yeah, hard shot to get.
Their car was on a trailer thing again. The cops cars weren't. And they had marks to hit. And it just took forever. Um, yeah. So we already mentioned it. Salva, he wanted a real life creature. The only CGI were wings and carrying him across the moon. So everything was, it was practical effects. This, this cat sequence, there were 30 cats on the enclosed part.
Well, that's the part they showed us CGI. Yeah. That was hard to film too. One of the cats did not like the actress, but she eventually found a favorite and was able to hold on to it. But 30 different cats they had in there. That's just crazy. No way. No way. Screw that. Jonathan Breck, who played the creeper, I guess, for his audition, he did that sort of the sniff test. All that like, yeah. Yeah. That's like,
Salva remembers being scared by his performance in the audition room. Uh, Jonathan Breck also had his head shaved for the audition, just because he felt that's what the character would look like. Man, talking about dedication. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. They say dressed for the job he wants. So he shaved his head. He did it. Um, and Salva, he was told by other well known hard directors and the studio
to put, to put more of a backstory and include some lines for the creeper. But he sort of held out, went against advice because he felt the creeper is more effective, like the more mysterious that he is, which I agree with. And we got some backstory, but it'd be nice to maybe, to the sequels explore that, like, I know we talked about how I am not familiar with the sequels, but do the sequels explore, like the backstory of the creeper at all? So good question. A little bit more than this does,
but not to a satisfying extent. Okay. And there is a Jeepers creepers comic book that gets very detailed about it. Now I have not read it. I don't know the whole lore. I sort of liked the mystery of guessing, but my understanding is that according to the comic book, this thing is some kind of like pagan deity or something like. Really? Okay. Yeah. But in the movies, you know, as quick, quick overview
of the movies, the, um, the second one takes place. I think basically immediately after or the next day, and remember the creature only comes out every 27 years. And this time it's, um, attacks basically a bustle of kids. Okay. And I actually think this episode's coming out of good time because I just saw a meme that we're in like year 23 now from the release of this movie. Yep. I think you're right.
So it's coming up soon that we're going to deal with the creature. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So, so the second one has that. And the second one was originally supposed to be about, um, you know, just Al's character as well as, um, Trisha's character. Okay. And this, this group of students being haunted in this, in this, you know, boss school boss, that was going to be a B plot. But they ended up saying, you
know, actually, this is like way more interesting. And we're just dividing our attention. The second one has Ray Wise in it, which I love. And he actually has like the tools to fight back a little bit. They harpoon this thing. They hang him up at a barn and wait for him to wake up again. So it's pretty good. The third one is a prequel to the second one, but a direct sequel to the first one. And the third one basically, it's right after the police get, you know, fucked to the
pieces by this. Yeah. They're like, Oh, we need, uh, we need to go like pass the up and track this thing down. So it's okay. Like immediately after a posse people like, let's go get it. And it ends with the school bus from the, the second one taking off. Now, the third one that's a fucking frustrating is to answer your question, does it get into the lore of the creature? And the short answer is yes, there's this like vase or something that's important to it. And it sort of tells a
story of what the creature is. They don't get into it enough in the movie at almost all. And one of the characters at the end of the movie, like tells the creature like, Oh, I know your secret and the creature like screams and howls, you know, and we're given no hints beyond that. So you're, you're like wanting that fourth one, right? It's right. Exactly. And they hint that like there was something in this base that's the key to feeding it. And you're like, Oh, cool. Like the showdowns coming.
It is not happening. You're not going to get you for it. No idea what this creature's leaving schools. You know, and they didn't, I mean, are you familiar with reborn at all? Because that was like the, is that just like a remake? I mean, no, everyone hated it. It's just straight, it's just straight reboot. And I did my research on it, you know, enough to talk about it on the episode. So, so it's produced by our friends at Orvos. Yes, we know the production company. I personally know
the director of the, of the film. Yeah. Which I guess is he's a cool guy and has made other movies, but yeah, I haven't heard anything good about this one. Yeah, this one I have it. And this one kind of gets wrong. Everything that this one got right. It's about a, like a young Mary couple. Or an engaged couple. And so it's, you know, the more traditional romantic dynamic, which is not, you know, it's not bad. There's a reason Hollywood does it. It's because love is a very strong motivator
that people identify with. So it works for characters. But I just like the brother and sister thing, because you don't get that as often. And that's a different kind of love. And also worth, you know, exploring. But this most reboot dispenses with that. The main character's pregnant. And she's just found out. And like the creeper is after them. I think a lot of it's basically sort of carnival. And there's like a cult that worships the creeper and basically brings people
to us like a abandoned house to be okay. And the creeper believes that if he thinks the baby, it will live forever for reasons. Okay. Okay. Interesting. Yeah, it gets, it gets beat down. And they win actually live. You know, who's you're gonna want? Are you gonna watch it? No, I'm falling asleep just thinking about it. You know, I don't, I, I, I, I'm glad I know what it's about. So I can think about it intelligently. Yeah. But it's just so frustrating for this,
this series. By the way, the third one is not good. I like creepers creepers too. But jeepers creepers three sucks in part because it's all to set up a fourth movie. So it doesn't really stand on its own. And then you don't get the fourth movie. So all your left with is blue balls. Yeah. And then you, you get stuck with this reboot. So it's like you've got blue balls and you have to settle for this like dry hand job to get you on. Nothing but
disappointing. No, no, all right. My filter's gone by the way. Oh, that's good. That's, well, that's the Carmelo we want to see. He's had enough Scott or had enough whiskey in him, you know. Right. Exactly. You know, but this movie, this, like I said, the second one's good. I'm glad we can talk about the sequels because we won't cover them specifically. Yeah. But you never know.
Maybe someday, maybe, maybe. Maybe. Maybe, you know, and I like, I love theorizing about the creeper like, you know, fans, once in a while, we get comments that people like talking about this ship. So comment and tell us what do you think this thing is where to come from? Is it a demon? Is it like a deity? Is it a one of a kind creature? Is it an alien? Is it, is it an alien? Are there more? Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Are there more of them? You know, is a good question?
Is this a, is are they the, the creatures from Starship Troopers? Is this, you know, it's just a very interesting question. The, I love the, by the way, love the manable thing. It's very predator when you said their aliens and like, oh, maybe. The, um, the comic book suggests that the creeper has been alive for like 5,000 years. Oh, okay. It's like ancient, ancient. And I also would love to hear the fan's opinion, you know, does a comic count? Like, when does the
comic book become canon? Is it, was the comic after the movie or before? It's after. After, right? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The movie's not based on a comic book. Okay. It's inspired by the movie. You know, but let us know because I'm curious, you know, is it, when the rights holder says it counts or will it never count? You know? Yeah. I still want the creepers like weakness was that they were hinting at. Oh, yeah. The third one brings, um, uh, Trish back at the end of the movie.
You remember, I told you part three is a prequel to two. That's right. So it takes place between one and two and then it jumps 27 years and Trish is like waiting and ready to go after it. You know, she's like, Linda Hamilton now. Basically, yeah, except, you know, much younger or Jamie Lee Curtis, but less leathery. Will significantly.
She's like well conditioned leather. Yeah, I will, I will add. I know I already complimented his actresses attractive as once, uh, for whatever age she is now 50 something she's smoking hot. All right. All right. She's kept it going. Okay. Yeah. Much like myself, as you know, I'm 63. Of course. I keep it. Of course. I don't know why you hang out with those youngins. She used me young. Yeah. Yeah. So, well, yeah. I mean, that's all the notes pretty much.
A little bit about the reception, Jeepers, creepers, it premiered at the the Munkin fantasy film fest in Germany. I also debuted at Fantasia International Film Festival in Canada in July of 2001. The theatrical release in the United States was by United Artist and Metragolderwin Mayer on August 31st, 2001 and it opened to nearly 3000 theaters and stated a release for 126 days. So that's wild because these days moving on staying theaters for like two weeks. No, no. And this
this is where I had the stat about how it it uh, it grossed 37.9 million in the US. It made 15.8 million in its first four days and ranked first. It broke the record for high-s Labor Day opening weekend, as I said previously held by City of Angels. Um, so yeah, it was crazy. The critics had some good things to say about it. There was some some mixed reviews. Um, you know, New York, Stephen Holden from New York Times has that once the creeper was revealed the film surrenders its
imagination and formulaic plot filler and two formulaic plot filler. Um, but yeah, another LA Times critic had only a positive feedback saying, scariest opening sequence of any horror picture in recent memory. Uh, and which I, I don't know if it was, I guess is he talking about the truck just patronizing them? I don't know the opening sequence that I guess that's the opening. I think it's that whole, I mean, the truck like trying to run them off the road because it is
really scary. It's very realistic. It's, it's, you know, again, if you go to bed in the victim of like road rage, like you know how terrifying it is when you realize like, oh, I could die doing this. Yeah. Yeah. You know, recently on on what is known as one of the more dangerous, uh, freeways in the country, the Dan Ryan, I was driving, this is a little while ago, I was driving home and someone, you know, cut me off and I haunt that because, you know, fuck you. Yeah. And then, and I'm
talking about like on the interstate with, you know, 70 miles an hour cars everywhere. He starts break checking me, like coming almost to complete stop. And it was scary because I'm like, I could hit this guy, you know, if I, you know, and I try to get around him and he kept swirving to stay in front of me. Geez. Yeah. When you realize that like some lunatic is so mad that you haunt that, and that he's willing to get into an accident and risk hurting or killing you. Yeah. It's really
scary. And so that's what this whole movie starts with a very normal scare, which is the hard gaining on them in the window behind them. And they don't see it until it's too late. And now they're they're stuck and he's running him off the road. That's why I thought this movie is so brilliant because if if this was just a road rage movie then where this guy's like, like, how does them for an hour and a half in real time, that would be scary. Yeah.
It's a serial killer movie. And they just like have to make it to the next town to get to the police. And it's like a long drive and there's no cell service. And they were pursued by a serial killer. That would be scary too. Yeah. Yeah. This movie keeps ratcheting it up and then like, it does with the creature and now the creature can fly and then the creature can die. And it's like, holy shit. They, they, they don't realize they were fucked from the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. I do like
how it keeps upping the shock factor. So definitely still a favorite. So also for shadowing. Yeah. A lot of nice subtle foreshadowing about Derry's eyes. And the movie does play with this fake out of like which of them is the creeper after. But I don't think there's any question. It's Derry the whole time and that psychic can't look at it without crying. And the creeper goes into his car and smells his dirty laundry. We're seeing. Yeah. Talking about so it's like,
I think it's pretty clear he wants Derry. Yeah. He's smelling his underwear since the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's, yeah. That's a good one. I think this movie got fucked on Ron tomatoes. It's got a score of 45%. Like I don't think that's high enough. Yeah. And the IMDB wasn't too bad. I think it was like six point something. So it wasn't, what wasn't too bad. But no, overall, I liked it. I had fun revisiting it. I was entertained. But just a little tired.
I think that's why I was lost sleep a little bit. But yeah. And you know, I hear you because sometimes you know, you watch it late enough and you've got kids and you got to start to lose your late and it gets tiring. I will say I think the movie's really excellently paced. It's not that long. And it does escalate in the way we've mentioned. Yeah. It's not long enough to drag. So by the time you like get to the police station, I mean, like that's the last 10 or 15 minutes in the movie. Yeah.
No. And I think it's, I think it's really well made. Yeah. No. Well, cool. I think that wraps us up for Jeepers creepers. Quickly, I believe in our next episode in a couple of weeks. We will be covering another universal monster movie. I haven't decided exactly which one yet. Yeah. But, you know, we were slowly making our way through those here and there. So we'll be covering one of those tune in to find out which one it is. That's right. And if you have a request, let us know.
We might not have picked it yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let us know if you have a monster movie, universal monster movie request that we have. We have our inevitably bitches about the universal monster movie. You will, but we'll get to one of those picks later after that. We'll see what happens. Quickly though. What did you watch? You watching anything interesting lately? Oh, yeah. Let's see. What did you watch? I'm also scrambling to think. I've been watching Fall of the House of Usher
on Netflix. Oh, yeah. I've been mean to check that out. I haven't watched it yet. It is fucking awesome. Is it? It is my, it has become my favorite Mike Flan again piece. Really? Yeah. And I love Dr. Sleep, but this, this is, I enjoyed a blind man or an I enjoyed Hill House, but they are slow compared to Usher. Usher. Really? Breakneck. And if you like Ed Grail and Paul, there are just so many references to it. It tickles your balls the whole time with those references.
Okay. Great cast. You know, some of his, most of his usuals, but some new faces like Bruce Greenwood was great. And if you know the Paul stories, you like, you kind of know what's going to happen. So there's the, there's that. But he finds creative ways to do those stories. So like, you know, in the mask of the red death, you know, there's a party and there's seven rooms in a line. They're all a different color. But in this, it's a, it's a club scene. So the flashing lights of the club
create the monochrome colors of the different rooms flashing over and over again. It's stuff like that. And I love it. It's great. So I need to maybe re familiarize myself with a poem before we. I think you'd enjoy it. Just like it works just fine as it is. But I think if you know your poem, I think it's, it's a huge like people, please, are for you. It's like, what's the word on the fan service? Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that and that's really, I saw
the movie Fall Guy. That was, yeah, it was fun. It was good. Yeah. It was good. But it was great. But it was fun. Okay. Okay. You know, definitely, definitely not. You're not going to watch it and be like, oh, it's so cute. Be like, oh, it was good. Yeah. Yeah. We were the couple of really standout moments in there. Let's check it out. Yeah. And then I saw if the imaginary friend, where we saw that, that was a lot slower than I thought it was going to be. That's the
Krasinski one, right? Okay. Which his credit, he made a much like, sweet or film. You know, it's a film. Yeah. It's a film. Yeah. Only film. But it's more contemplative than I thought it was going to be. Watch the trailer and you're like, oh, there's like a dozen like CGI characters running around. I kind of thought it was going to be like, Monsters Inc. Yeah. But it's really not like that at all. And it takes a long time to get that going. So there's a lot more like about
this girl's mom died. And she's like, trying to get over it. Now we're dancing in the house, but she's kind of re re living that like pain of losing a parent. And I'm like, I did not get that from the trailer at all. No. So it'd be warned if you bring your kids, they may find the first, you know, 10 or 15 minutes will already get through a little bit. Okay. Okay. Depending on their age, like, like, Ellie and Stellar 200. Yeah. They want, they won't know what the hell's
going on. Right? What the hell's this? Okay. Yeah. But like a nine 10 year old might start to like appreciate it. Okay. Okay. All right. What about you? What do you got? I've been, I watched um, that HBO series Chernobyl. Finally, I'd never watched it before. And Rob kept recommending it to me. And it was amazing. It was fucking awesome. It has. Oh, man. I gotta see that. Yeah. It's just, it's just a dramatization of the events at Chernobyl, which, you know, I wasn't soup. I kind of knew
about it, but I wasn't super familiar with all the details. And, and I looked up as I was watching it, some of the things. And there are embellished characters to represent like swaths of people, to have their voices heard. And so there's some dramatization, but a lot of the facts are there. And it was very interesting to learn about that through the awesome performances of like Jared Harris and uh, Stellar and Scar's Garden and these people. Yeah. I don't tell Rob. I said,
it's tasting television is excellent. I know. Right? Then his movies is just fucking horrible sometimes. Yeah. But he's recommended documentaries and stuff to me. And it's like, oh, good. Yeah. So yeah, I watched that. I think it's only five hour long episodes. It's not too much of a commitment, Shannon. I watched it. And then I did watch a little just random off the cuff horror movie called The Devil Below that was made in 2021. I was just looking up the only really recognizable person
is Will Patton. And it's just about some, yeah, it's just about like this tragedy that happened at a mine years ago. And now these adventures are going up for more answers. And it's sort of a like a played out scenario that they go up and it turns out there's like creatures in this mine. But it's not bad. It's pretty good. It wasn't too bad. And then I think the only other thing, I've started watching Shannon and I were watching just alone that that survival show which tons of
people have watched. I just never really watched them. We were like, yeah, check it out. We've watched a few episodes of that. Yeah. So that's about it so far for me. But yeah, exciting there. So yeah, I guess I guess that wraps us up. I want to start reminding people to do this at the end of our episodes. Definitely leave us a review if you can on Apple podcasts. We just have those have gone by the way side. Now I'm like, yeah, we're just trying to get some more reviews again.
So leave us some reviews there. Also, you know, just follow us, tag us, whatever at cult classic horror on everything. We want to give away free shit again. I haven't paid attention enough in the last few weeks. But I also haven't been seeing a lot of activity in the last few weeks. So just in general, if you like share a meme in the group or if you tag us, share the post and tag us, share our episodes and tag us, you know, we'll sort of mentally enter you into to be the horror
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I'm very I'm very pleased with it. There's a lot of interesting stuff in there. So we won't tell you more. Yes, yeah, but yeah, the announcement is coming. So stay tuned. Yes. All right, guys. Well, thanks for joining us. We'll catch you next time. Later. Don't you blame the movies? Movies don't create cycles. Movies make cycles more creative. Oh, yes. There will be blood.