317: Sinister

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I've seen it a few times and I saw it in theaters when it came out back in 2012. I've seen it a lot. I haven't had time. I had to do spring cleaning today. I kept getting this on the 5th and the 5th. It wasn't that scary, but it's really got me Rob quits See you at CompuServe.com

Go ahead, go ahead. Sorry, Colonel. I was just trying to talk about the movie and we can talk about whatever you guys want No, please, please Tell us how you watched it I started watching it Monday night and the only reason I was able to go sleep is because afterward I watched that Saturn and it lives

Get of Beavis and Butthead which just put me right to bed after that with a good good. I haven't watched it yet It's the best thing to come out of Saturn at life on my 20 years It's really seeing Ryan Gosling as Beavis was like it got po Ghouls face out of my Okay, all right Gosling is the only guest on Saturday night live that could that is even useful I've got to see that I've got to see him in that you be good

I see your curtain behind you moving this movie's freaking me out. I do love this movie I mean I've seen this movie at least 10 times so you know that's fresh. It's fresh, but I don't watch it at night

Dude it's just not happening. I jumped three times. I knew they were coming, but I still jumped when I was first night when this first came out and I saw in theaters I do remember I was thinking like it was scary and it is one of it's probably one of the top I don't know 10 scariest movies to come out Every I put this movie right up next to the exorcist. It's not like it's like my favorite

It is one of my favorites. I don't know like top five top 10 my favorites move all the time But in terms of scary This movie is like exorcist is number one. This movie is number two easily really like evil dead 2013 isn't

scary no, it's a roller coaster ride it actually amps you up and it's fun and it's good. Yeah, this movie is Genuinely scared like it's just it's got I watch this movie years after it came out it just popped up on Amazon or Netflix and it was at night Yep, I think I was actually oh, I think I may have been in a hotel when I was traveling for work And I sat there and watched this and it

It ruined me it was the movie is the movie is shot during the night. So there's so many dark scenes Well in the super eight it's really the super eight sequences the home videos that really

At the creep factor. That's what really gets you. Yeah, and it shot it so well and I think oh yeah, the music is out I think Ethan Hawks like one of the most underrated actors He's great and everything he's in and he he sells this movie Yeah, he's so good and I think that I don't know if it's officially been confirmed, but he

I bet he's a horror buff because he does all these horror movies. They're low budget. Just a black phone Yeah, I don't even think that they would be able to afford him if he wasn't willing to do them You know, yeah, I think he likes to do it. I think his it's a it's a terrible thing for him to do him. I don't know if he's a horror buff Um, but I think I think I think these type of movies these type of horror movies allow him to Act the way he wants to sure. I think I think he takes acting very

Very seriously. He's had lots of interviews that I've watched with him just being a fan of his and about how What like dead poets aside and he studies Stanislav he studied like all like he was like a big Actor actor and I think these characters like him black phone and like in this movie and some others I just think it allows him. I just think he likes the characters like I think the same way that Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey

Thought television was beneath all actors. Um, and then they read the script for Uh, um, true script for true detective and yes Matthew Matthew McConaughey was supposed to play Woody Harrelson's character That's right. I remember that. McConaughey read it and I think very much like Ethan Hawke McConaughey's In the headspace to to be like this actor or whatever. Yeah, and he said I want this Because this this this like excites me and I think Ethan Hawke looks at roles not by the budget or

The studio, but they're like he's like I want to play that guy. Yeah, that that sounds interesting That's me and as horror fans I like it because I thought black phone was phenomenal. Yeah me too. I love black phones What's this movie about Carmella? Yeah, let's get us a little synopsis. I'm so glad you asked. We all love this one No, if y'all haven't watched it, we all agreed that we love this podcast. This one then we'll do a short one

We all agree that we love this movie. That was our first thoughts. That's right. Yeah, just around that around that out We're all in agreement. Well, let's see sinister is about a true crime novelist named Ellison Oswald who Moves his family into the home of four murder victims. They were all hung to death and their own daughter is missing

And and he's sort of passed his prime. He had his big hit and he's kind of chasing the dream one last time and gets kind of obsessed with this case and he finds in his attic a collection of Snuff films that show various families including the the hanging victims murdered

By unseen a salons over the years and as he investigates he learns that all the families are connected and he learns that they're all being stocked by this spectral figure a pagan deity called Boguel the the foundation of the modern Bogie man and as the the

the horror and danger to his family escalates he finally decides to move only to learn that Boguel's method of killing is to Possess or otherwise seduce the youngest child of the family make them commit all the murders and then claim and eat the child's soul

And he does this only after they move so that he can continue to spread his curse because he lives on in the images He lives on in the in the snuff films and the images of him So in the end, Allison his entire family are hacked to death by the youngest daughter and she You know continuous or hobby of painting the walls only now with her family's blood

And this is the only one that's okay. This is the only horror movie where you don't want to leave the house Don't leave the house It's such a good trick because the whole time you're watching it like every time you're like just leave just move Just go and this time they do it and you're like thank you Yes, he gets to the new house he gets the call. No, what do you mean you move?

Yes, the The pattern you did the thing you did the thing you're not supposed to now you're gonna die See but if he stayed in the house he would have kept having these the ongoing night terrors with this kid and he would have had a freak house The recorder kept popping on and off so I just want to go worse and worse but hey he would have lived still Yeah, supposedly I don't know so

One of the the numbers here really well. This is another Blumhouse movie so um It was very low budget three million and it did three million was the budget released October 12 2012 And worldwide gross was 87 million So wow another hit for Blumhouse and other producing producing companies. Yeah, but uh, I know the second one didn't do as good So this one is kind of I never seen the second one I have and I completely have forgot it. So I should watch it. I don't I'll watch it again

Maybe tonight or watch it again. I think it's super underrated. I think it's a good sequel to this is it as scary as this no, but not many movies are Yeah, the problem with the sequel is they kind of had to tweak They had to kind of had to tweak some of the lore to make it bit Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's true

That's right. Where where in this one it was everything was finite that if you move you're done if this happens you're done um And in the sequel it was it was a little Lucy goosey because it kind of has a half remember kind of having a happy it just didn't make as much sense Yeah, I do I like it was pretty good. I like how this ends where like Ethan Hux house is with the family moving into that house

And then it goes in it picks up like years later. So the box has moved around from Ethan Hux house to Think one or two more It ends up being in a A barn of a house that some family squatting in because they're running from an abusive ex-hut It's got all it's got all kind of little weird dramatic storylines do yeah, okay. I do like how the art needed I like how this one ends

Just just you know dark as well. What it's just a bad it not a happy ending. I like it I'm doing it's really laying down the camera and getting the axe ready and blood everywhere and then obviously the boogie man Behind her and and going into the into the projecting screen with her all yeah all of his All of his kids with him there that he's taking their souls It's oh that jump scare at the end man who got me again when his face goes Like oh god damn the

Just the soundtrack you can't say enough about the soundtrack and and the music while these super eight films are going Oh, and we'll talk a little bit about how that came to be but Oh, yeah, so let's let's get into it. I've been to it They filmed this mainly in New York and Los Angeles the The murder of family homes at the Oswald's move into in the beginning is in New York It 169 Middle Neck Road, Sand's point New York

Then um the house they'd moved back into at the end is Kirby Hill Mutton town New York But then they also filmed some in Long Island and Los Angeles Oh, they had a staging saw I'll talk about that but Yeah, started filming September 19th 2011 and continued until October 25th 2011 wasn't released till You know a little bit less than a year later. It sounds

uh, what's the release was but October 12th at the Halloween season release. Yeah, so less than a year Oh, I have an interesting fact coming up about the timing on this but But anyways, there is it's an interesting story how this came to be so it all started over drinks in Las Vegas So director Scott Derrickson Had been a fan of C. Robert Cargill who was a movie critic at the time now Cargill wrote the script for this along with Derrickson

So the two became good friends and found themselves both in Vegas at the same time uh, they got drinks and one thing led to another and Derrickson revealed He had a potential financing for a low-budget horror movie and was looking for ideas

So he didn't have a script yet, but he had potential financing in place So Cargill pitched him an idea he had been thinking about for years And that rough draft would become sinister they wrote the script in five weeks and they they did it together But Derrickson in his own words says

I had my own idea that I was developing to go do Uh, when he met with Cargill in Vegas, but then uh, he pitched him his idea first and then Cargill was like well, I have an idea And he said okay, well tell me and as soon as he heard Cargill's idea he was like oh, that's way better than That's what I'm doing nice Yeah, and so for Cargill the idea came From a dream a nightmare Cargill says he had a nightmare after watching the ring well like which Yeah

So he yeah, so he had a nightmare after watching the ring in theaters that apparently now I don't I don't have a description of the nightmare But apparently it was the basis of this movie They didn't have the lore or anything. I'm sure the nightmare wasn't super detailed But according to Cargill You know, he had this nightmare like 2002 and it stuck with him so long that after three weeks it was still He had echoes of this nightmare in his head

If it was scaring him that much he's like I bet it would scare other people so he started to construct a story around it And it was just something he was kicking around every once in a while And finally 2007 2008 it was he turned it into like this solid pitch Pitched to a couple friends and everyone would always say oh, that's that's a great idea. Yeah, it'd be a really good movie

Uh, but that was that was all it really was it was just this hey. I got this cool idea for movie kind of thing Um, you know takers

Yeah around this time it was Jason Blum's horror empire was in the early stages. He just found huge success of paranormal activity James Wan who made a name for himself was saw of course we talked about that recently Just released in Sidious as well And then the success of these two films convinced Derek sin that he wanted his movie with Cargill to be a Blumhouse release So luckily Jason Blum was a big fan of the extra system of Emily Rose which who isn't

Yeah, just so good. That's one of that's one of the top scariest the I say top 10. I would say actually that might be as or more scary than this movie Yeah, they're close But I think this one wins out this will might be a little bit more So Derek sinned for one scene which I'll get to when we get to it. Yeah, yeah Well, so Derek sinned that was one of his earlier films Um, I didn't he directed that yeah, oh shit. Okay, so he was asked to attend a meeting at Paramount with Blum Who said

Look, it's very simple. I think you're a really talented filmmaker. I think Emily Rose is really scary I'll give you a three-million-dollar budget and a final and final cut if you make a scary movie for me So Wow, that's sort of how it's what you said. Yeah, yeah And again three million It's not a lot of money for now, and I think like that's like the key here Blumhouse is all the best Blumhouse in most of the horror movies that we like is the small budget

And I love it. I think it makes people Uh for the movie to work it has to have a really good story to make up for having such a small budget Uh for sure and the effects and You know, it has to have a vibe like Evil dead is fantastic not just because of the effects and the story, but it has this all the soundtrack in the score just this Feeling and and and and vibe to it and I just don't think you get that with 30 million dollars. Yeah

That's funny. I wonder if he just gave him the three million even before he pitched in the idea to Blumhouse like hey Make something scary for me. You don't even tell me what it is Or if you told him like what it was about Of course some of that most of that went to hawk maybe

Yeah, I'm not sure what probably in this timeline. I'm not sure if the You know since Derek's and talks about having potential financing already I don't know if that was the Blumhouse financing or if it was a different type of financing And then they came up with this idea

Pitched it and then got the Blumhouse financing and I'm sure Maybe this happened, but yeah, so uh the making of the movie was exceptionally fast from the first meeting in Vegas when Derek's in first heard the idea all the way to the movie getting released in theaters was less than one year

Wow, and I guess part of the reason why yeah why it can't be other so quickly The filming didn't drag on was due to the way it was set up So production designer David Brisbane says that Derek's in in Cargill where where like laser focused on having a story that takes place in in one location

in one house And from a production standpoint You know Brisbane says you can pretend that 80 sets cost the same thing as four sets But it ain't gonna work when you're planning They weren't they weren't pretending they knew that it was to be a small budget film and And that was what Scott's pitch to to Brisbane was well, I mean in like recent movie history

Some of our favorites are this you have sinister. I think the autopsy of Jane Doe Yeah, is incredible and they're all these one location Very small costrophobic feeling movies that one You're never gonna catch me or whatever the one on shutter you watched Danny that I just watched. Oh, yeah

Yeah, it's one location. It is it's not as good as these movies. Of course. I think it's very good But yeah, they do it so well It's their lock year in this one location, but it's never uninteresting you were locked in the whole time that the movie's happening

Well, that's part of it. I mean Scott's pitch to Brisbane was you know quote We have written this thing so that we can do a good job of the production design part of the storytelling in like a focused way A few sets that are really good that accommodate the entire world that needs to be seen in the story And so Brisbane could see on the page that they were honest about it and trying to have this controlled contained world for for storytelling And they kept their end of the bargain so

It allowed them to focus you know on just the art design the set design for just that place So Derek So Derek's and did a ton of pre-production all day during pre-production He apparently did nothing but searched the internet for the scariest music he could find that was unknown and was relatively cheap

This is really good music man. Yeah He found a band named over who had a 25-minute track called silent silence teaches you how to sing I guess it's a 25-minute piece with very different pieces of music including some really disturbing stuff And they licensed it for five hundred dollars case While filming he would play sections of the music on set on allowed speakers so the people could sort of feel what it was like to You know feel the tension remember Mmm

It's good. We have to look I want to look up that track and see how much Maybe being used in the booth. Yeah, I know right now if it didn't sound like it was gonna scare me Yeah, I have it on my Apple music actually I sometimes it comes out of like what the fuck You have the sinister soundtrack on your yeah, I do Okay, I can do it up here

Okay, I'll be right back. Yeah, no worries. I'll have to add that on Uh, so anyways alright so the movie We're gonna do some of these shots here Uh, so for the famous opening shot of the film they used a real tree of course we talked about how Frugole they're being and then we jump into something like this which I think might be a little Extensive so for the for the opening of the film they used a real tree They had cut down and brought in from Pennsylvania

They they planted it into the ground with a giant welded steel stand that sort of worked like a giant Christmas tree stand So and they were in the time crunch because all the leaves on the tree were going to die So they had to reassemble the tree after cutting it down

They numbered the branches reassembled all the branches on the tree Sculptors filled in all the gaps with paper bark and scenic painters painted it There it is That's what it is There it is There it is So anyways so they brought in that's a BS tree damn

Like what's huge they transferred it there from somewhere else So you said it was a real tree still then right yeah they cut it down and then reassembled it so I just I don't know You thought that we they would maybe find a location that had a usable tree

But yeah, maybe that was tough to find do you do you guys think that one branch that means a huge branch Falling down could could hold up the the people all those people I don't know I mean yeah, I would like the pulley yeah, yeah, something like that

I'll tell you a little bit about and then the magical saw that was that was sawing the branch down Well you mean you freaking miss the the the the bokeh man see Oh the the the soundtrack Why left there it is oh Yeah Also for this tree this tree that they shipped it and reassemble that mean it's just

Just crazy that they did something like that but Um for the actual tree hanging scene the stunt people were brought in they designed it very carefully to make sure that You know when the the kids quote unquote were getting hung that there there was foilage in front of them a little bit So that wasn't too intense showing the children. It's pretty clear

Dude man. Yeah, that was brutal scene There there was a problem the first day they were shooting where the stunt didn't really go as as it should have I guess the stunt coordinator who designed the rigging for the hanging shot and who also hired all the stunt people for it Didn't attend the final production meeting which made Derek's and very angry Then he didn't show up for well, yeah, I'm not sure with the text cap, but maybe just sort of a the dry runner something so um

So like a demonstration of how the hanging shot would work never really took place before the day um So the the stunt coordinator wanted to have a crane on the front of the house that had the actors like on it attached to separately from the tree

Then they would time the branch falling down and hoist the people up at the same time They wouldn't wouldn't have to anything to do with the other mechanically, but it would just happen at the same time Uh, but Eli Manie the art director said you know under no circumstances

Should you get a crane? This is the worst idea. You can't do it this way. It's gonna be a disaster um But sure enough they they grabbed a crane that he was ignored multiple times regarding the crane and you know His original design was that they would have this branch that was a huge limb that would be on something like a like a big hinge something like that

um, but you pulled up. Yeah. Yeah, so I this is the part of the use of crane then the the crane world This is no they didn't so I can't really wrap my head around what so Eli Manie recalls the stretch of the situation

He said you have a rope that's attached to the branch and you have a rope that's attached to the actors like a cable When those two things go up they they separate So he was like how are you going to camouflage the cable attached to the actors if the rope suddenly turns goes the other way

And they were like nobody had any idea how and he was telling him they can't do it this way. Oh shit So what he had to do was create a quick release so the rope would be attached to the cable and as it went out It would separate from the cable, but that means you had to reset it every time So I can't really picture what he's talking about there, you know Yeah, I'm having a difficult time. Oh the quick release would be the branch cutting falling down right? I don't know, but

I think it's out there draw us a diagram. Yes, but anyways, well I thought the little girl drew a diagram Stephanie the little girl didn't she draw one in the movie? You're like a homelone Diagram she had with a crayon Like a shoe box top of a shoe box

Yeah, what you don't see is that this is like her like sixth attempt to kill her family. She tried micro machines. Yep She tried the blowtorch above the door Yeah, she came up with this Good All four ones Well, sort of like a catastrophe happened where the actors who are being hung were in these harnesses where Their feet were sort of in stirrup so that all the pressure was on their back and one actor like fell through the stirrup And it was hanging by his neck from the harness and they had to

Jeez that's that's literally the plot of a horror movie. Yeah, what said fucking movie this found footage when it's great Um Oh The gallows Yeah, the high school kid gets high school Oh, no, so thankfully the actor was okay, but it scared everyone and and they brought it or someone else in to re-rig the tree and And that's what you see in the actual movie so

I don't look good. It was crazy that like how the the little look I have that exact same tree cutter with like the sharp saw at the end But you can like extend it and like cutter branch up you see it going like I'm like dude Fucking nuts

And you see the boogie. I mean obviously he's pulling the somehow he's making it happen, but But it's that's when you see it in the movie obviously the tree branch falls and pulleys causing them to hang but yeah Yeah, so this is creepy anyways Well, Derek's in wanted a ranch style house so the camera could follow Easily throughout the space and because so many haunted houses look the same in movies and he wanted it to look different I did think the house

Had somewhat of a different feel to it than other haunted house. Yes. Yeah, yeah, because it felt just like Regular Suburbia. Yeah, I like the ranch style. Yeah Originally Chris nor the director of photography thought they were shooting the movie on film But Blumhouse told them it was going to be done digitally Which I guess it was just starting to to happen at the time. This was about the time where digital they were shooting digitally Hmm

Really? Yeah, so according to nor digital is very easy to make to make the lack But it looks very artificial when you do that like the contrast is just boosted and they didn't really want to do that They had to deal so they really had to deal with lighting where the blackness was was like really there Not something you just crunch down and post or something so

Because the digital cameras are very sensitive. It was a lot of work on set to get the the lighting just right So there were times when he was like putting black on the ceiling putting black everywhere So there's so there's no light bleeding into these black parts of the room. Yeah, oh Yeah, and really cool. It really helps set the tone for the film. He said Um

Have we don't notice that obviously as a viewer maybe we just notice blackness, right? Yeah but um Yeah, the lighting is movies very moody and crease or Just this tone of dread around every scene. Yeah, even when the family is like having dinner at the beginning Is something that sticks out in my mind because it's very very dark and They're only hinting at some of the horror when they're talking just very loosely about how he writes crime and it's very You know

Scary so the kids and his dad of his office. Yeah And and that sets the tone for the whole movie, you know, and they took something simple like family dinner And they gave it like this dangling axe above them. Yeah, it was like it's there the whole time I remember I recall it actually Thinking that two nights ago and I watched the movie

Right when that dinner scene opens. It's just a splash of light from above and yeah, and I In my head I was like wow, I mean, I guess People eat dinner like that sometimes just the one light on above, but it just seems really dark in there Well like the the only time it was light was when it was day day time within the house I mean even when he's in his office, you just have like a little like sconce light on

He's trying to check the film an un-un-un-on light and it's all black behind him. I'm like god man. It's so Like what's the coming on right now is it's just it's so dark and all the works in the story because you figure they They've just moved in they don't have a bunch of land exactly So like that overhead light in the kitchen plausibly is the only light in the room at the time You know, but that's not even it like it works with the story, but you know more importantly

It's it works with the mood and if you hadn't told me about literally hanging black in the background to create that effect I would have just thought They had one lighting source and they they use contrast to get rid of the background

And it's really cool to think that they were probably sitting there surrounded by like black felt Yeah, it doesn't look like light in his often use for these purposes Yeah, cuz I bet it'd be cool to see like a before and after the application of the blackness because Maybe in your head like oh, you know, you just put that splash light above and that'll be fine But maybe there's a before shot where Indeed that splash of light is reflected off many things in the walls in the back

Right, you know, right exact cuz that's they didn't what right like in any room you're in you'd see

Whatever. Yeah, I remember blacking out the windows and sit in sineter when we had did the day shoots with the black out all Any every type of light yeah, yeah, that was it was really cool because Uh, what we did was we blacked out the entire house remember and then film all the night scenes in a row And then took all the the blacking off the windows then So that we could have day shoots, but didn't have to keep doing it and so we just we stacked all the day and then all the night

And that's how we did it for sineter, which was pretty cool. Yeah, which was sort of the Did we even come over there or were the lighting guys like oh, we'll just black out the windows Didn't they just hotter and I came up with with that so we were Well, we we were came up with it in the scheduling phase because we were talking about how we didn't want to shoot at night And then even if we did there'd be light from outside sources So once we knew we had to black out the windows

We thought well then let's for timing reasons because remember we were like how do we do this in 15 days? Yeah So that was our mandate was and I thought well, we just have to stack tonight in the days. Yeah, yeah That's interesting. Well, um, so once again Eli and Manning he was our director. I'd mention him already Uh, he was on one of the commentaries. So he's quoted a lot but Uh, he said that it was real tough for him uh, sort of figuring out the the way to show

The things pertaining to the case in the correct order in the correct way. So for instance, you know They had all these different things they didn't really think out in terms of how to shoot And he's like way ahead to shoot this before you shoot that otherwise you haven't seen this clue yet, you know or Uh, he just said he thoroughly art directed the shit out of the strip because it was so complex in terms of how to visually

Tell the story the execution basically of like okay, we've got to get a photo shoot of Photographic evidence of the crime you have to have these in your hands like this is what's Right, right looking at right now, you know, so in order to do that you have to set those things up So one of the cruxers of the film is just its use of

Photographs to help inform the story. I mean you had to get it just exactly right for it to be as effective as possible Yeah, you have to just be aware of what's on the info board where the yarns going what's Right because for all that to work like all the crime scene photos all the photos of bogey

All the obviously the snow films, but you know the maps all that shit has to be created If it's if you write it in the script and someone has to make that and it sounds like it was this guy's job Yeah, yeah exactly So I said there's some film of Los Angeles So the attic was built on a sound stage

They designed an elevated set that Ethan Hawke could could go up from below and pop up into there I guess David's plan for the attic was was like way more ambitious than what than what they could build and build and L Mani and Derek's and just weren't on the same page about how realistic it would be to create the vision So they just have to tone it back a little bit I don't know what it was gonna be, but it looked perfectly fine. How it was

Yeah, hold it could meet completely. I would have thought yeah Except for him falling through When he falls through the ceiling I would have thought that the whole thing was a house that had a third floor that had an air and a crawl space attic Yeah Ranched all house with the you know with the attic that was that big yeah The sun the sun behind Rob is sending us like Morse code signals Dude It's giving Rob a halo like he's passed away and all this is jealous. It's but cool right?

Rob's like I still love all of you You have a stroke in your actually in the afterlife right now. Yeah, I'm I'm feeling it All that spring cleaning is wiped you out dude. I had to get rid of so many shoes If anyone needs shoes Rob's donating just do a message It's a good will the good will and Brydinson Florida because that's where they're at. Oh, okay Are they there already did you make the delivery? Yeah, yeah, I just had to I had to buy the bullet and dude

You had to bite the bullet and do it. I'm saying do you cry? Are you crying right now? Oh little upset because like There no no arguing I just don't know doubt there's at least 30 pairs. Oh god And I've got at least another 30 That I couldn't part with You need to be on an episode of hoarders or whatever maybe not always you keep the clean need to ski Well, it's not a mess. I got little shoe boxes and everything for him. I've seen your club. I've seen your shoe boxes

I think yeah, I think every time every time Danny or Scotty come into town or come to my house. We see your closet Let me go back see that let me see the hats in the shoe collection right now Yeah, I mean I do got I got a brand new pair of Nike's looking at me right now. Oh Chris just and then I got the and then I got those new on cloud monster runners Do you have a pair of you know what I walk?

Do you have a pair of Ethan Hawk Boccasins from a sinister? No, I don't have to get some of those and oh and I did I did buy a brand new pair Oh, like I flip flops this morning. Oh, don't you have like 15 of those? Probably All right, well before we I only got a pair. They're so comfortable. I got one. Yeah, I got one pair. I did my sole pair This because you live it. Yeah, how do you not a hardware man? A hard one. I'll get all I gotta

So see it's easy for me. It's easy for me because my ace hardware is like Everything spares It's not like that around here. So the stars are all the rods and reels. Yeah, but the ghoul 38 millimeter film Everything Lou Ray copies of sinister Vincent did opryo right that was him it was Vincent did not I thought so I Yeah, so oh yeah, but it was As the FaceTime professor played Uh, Jones dr. Jones, you know that was like they wanted one more name and and Ethan Hawks like oh, I bet

But Vince will do it. We just got a column like on Skype and we'll just record it But that was also a good way like I mean obviously had the same thought that like they just couldn't get him physically Yeah, but that was also a good way to make sure the movie doesn't leave that location You know, yeah completely right need you think about even the deputy who helps him I think uh A lesser movie with a higher budget would have had Ethan go to the police station

With a little bit of sure in the office just to get a different sat and have some more characters and add the length at the runtime But you know, they introduced the idea that the sheriff didn't like him So he had to meet the deputy at his home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Skype into the home Genius deputy so I will say I wonder if there was uh I Gare I wonder if they got extra money from from Apple because they

They they they really push hard. It's all iPhones. Not as much money as like unfriended unfriended Which do you want to see where he's why I bought a Mac? I know But but watching this I mean they if you really watch it like It's almost like a commercial for for Mac. Yeah, I mean he uses quick time. He's trimming. He's he's filming it and downloading the film to his Digital on his Mac and he's printing him out and he's

Connecting his iPhone and you know, it's like this is like 2012. So this was like probably I mean it was like hi James Bond like to oh you could just plug your phone into your computer and And and and download your videos and slow them down and frame by frame and all that of course it is was a Mac needs to go back to the light up Apple Yeah, I'm back in the computer because his computer was like I think one of the last ones because that's what my disappointment was

When I bought my Macbook pro and I opened it like he doesn't it doesn't light up. There's no The Apple's not lighting up Yeah, well, I mentioned uh nori who or nor sorry not nori who was the cinematographer so Ethan Hawk recommended nor to

Derrickson who had done a few films with Ethan before Hawk also recommended Juliet Rylance who played his Why yeah, and then she was great Yeah, so she came into audition and Derrickson knew right away that she was gonna cast her But she originally was using an American accent for the audition

But after some time with her in the process Derrickson decided he loved her authentic British accent Wanted her to keep her natural accent for the film and Ethan Hawk agreed so they they kept that in there nice Yeah

Another cool thing like for the box that Trevor the Sun sort of comes out of backwards By the way, I believe is the brother of Alexandra Dedario Really his last name is Dedario yeah, I I have I'm not a hundred percent on this I tried to google it real quickly before we started recording

But I did say like his name. I think it's Michael something Dedario Michael Hall Dedario Yeah, I said Michael Hall Dedario sister I googled that and then it just popped up Alexandra Dedario But it didn't say like It didn't confirm anything on that page it just popped her up so I don't know how many Dedarios yeah, I could be I don't know I mean if you if you google her it should say his name as her as her siblings

I I think you're looking further into it. I just didn't have a lot of time right forward jumping off It's not differently. He's been in a apostrophe. I thought she does does she not Does not did you google this? Did you know Michael I suppose I should know this if I'm changing my last name to the same as hers You know when we get married yeah, yeah, I'm willing to do that you should know that Um so anyways Dedario Uh, so yeah Um, where oh so for the box that Trevor pops out of you

Eli Manning he the art director once again had to create something where this kid could elevate himself out of the box So I guess he created this Thing that was like an upside down abroller so to fit the curvature of his back on some kind of stand with some stirrups in it

And then he fitted it into the box and the kid Could sort of come up and roll back and look like he was almost being elevated out of the cardboard box for that for that scare there It's like the first scare of the movie almost right there That was it yeah And Cargill said that Derrickson had a real six six sense about what was scare people

He was a very interesting to watch him work. He said and one of the discreet as they had was over a scare during the the box scene What where it was he like throws down the box and stuff and there's sort of a jump scare there I guess it was written the box was thrown down with all the stuff in it and um It was I guess I don't remember this part in the movie but the box is thrown down and that's a jump scare

But then a couple more things are thrown down and those are also very loud and jumpy too. Yeah And Cargill like why are we doing three why not just one and and he's like no trust me They won't expect and then and then it ended up testing really well

I think the jump scares work in this and don't work as much in the sequel which was criticized for over reliance on jump scares because a lot of these jump scares are In the movie I don't know how to describe this other than because the movie does cheat what twice when vocals face Just looks at the camera and it appears from nowhere. That's just to scare you. Yeah, that's just like the laptop when he looks over

Well, no, I love that. No, that was good. I was good. I'm talking about the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah, boom Yeah, bus to or up the add is to tickle your balls. Yeah, but when it's like Ethan Hawke is watching intently and the lawnmowers going over the Gratt, which is my favorite scene in the movie. There's a scary movie ever seen by far the scariest part of this movie is It builds the tension sucks you win you're on your right there with Ethan Hawke what's gonna happen? What's gonna happen?

And then you see the family now that's a great jump scare. Oh my god. It happens in the story And I do what's the difference between a genuine jump scare that works versus something they just throw in because they're like This part of the movie's boring. Yeah, it was something loud and the scare people the cat came by yeah Yeah, yeah Or something artificial but when it's in the movie you're in this quiet dark house with Ethan and then all the sudden

Some box falls into fucking, you know, Rome is everywhere. That's a good jump scare I think that's what they're describing here, and I think that's what Derek's in males. Yeah, yeah Derek's in did say that he believed that his jump scares were earned and done right and not overused That's it earned the arm Yeah, I mean like, you know, I think it's like lumping

It's like lumping jump scares all into one thing like I think it's You know Like certain I mean Most good scares are jump scares something quick, you know happening Where you know, I don't even know some of these I would like necessarily even called jump scares because the movie actually Paces slow Yeah, like even like even when the the kid with the tisms was in the dryer and he

Spinny spills out. He doesn't like explode out of the dryer. He just kind of like he's just in a box Yeah, he just kind of like comes out There's no drought No, over the dryer. They talk I got to talk like you but that's his other night care and stuck in the dryer reform But like it's not like like like you say it's not like a cat jumping at the screen and be cool. Just kind of

Looks at you. Yeah, yeah, but it's never like back. You know, it's not like amityville horror the remake Whatever that was like oh five or oh, whatever the remake was It's not like just popping out at you. I mean, I think you're talking about Ryan Reynolds' muscles popping out. Dude, he needs to bring that beard back. But he's been replaced. I'm sorry. He's been replaced with Gosling. He's not just the new Ryan. He's not the better Ryan. Yeah, that's not. I hear you.

And then honestly, he was replaced with Joe and Hall before Gosling. You all about the roadhouse. I'll take Zach Efron over. I still haven't watched Roadhouse. I don't like Efron. I can't take Zach Efron because he's been to rehab. And if you're too big of a... I am cool. No, I'm a lost kid. You're too big of a whimp to just continue your bad behavior until it kills you. Where are you problem with Efron? Is that he went to rehab and got clean and he's just going to get the whole problem?

Was that for autism? He's a quitter. He's like... he probably didn't. He doesn't have real problems. He just went to rehab to try to research his career. But no, I'm not going to watch Iron Clock because I don't feel like crying about wrestlers that I'm going to watch it. I'm going to watch it. I cried. I'm not even a wrestling fan. I cried the entire movie. Dude, I got a phone. I got a phone. He was good in that... He was good in that beer run movie. I just watched that and not too long ago.

I know some movies are hilarious. Great American beer run. Whatever. Oh yeah. I don't see that. Oh yeah. It's like I'm not going to... There was some post. There's some Instagram real post like a movie clip post with the better Aflach. I think Casey Aflach's much better than Ben. But that meant Chester by the scene movie. And I just did like a cursory Google. I'm not watching that. Don't need to come back. It was good. I cried. I didn't think it was that. No, I'm sure it's amazing.

It's true. It really is. But I don't really feel like watching that. Well, anyway, you want to see Jake Johan Hall. I don't know if I have a watch roadhouse. I know. My dad said it's fun, but pretty bad. But I'm going to watch it. I'm going to watch it. It looks fun. I just don't... I don't get it. It didn't need to be remade. You watched poultry, guys. You can watch roadhouse. You can watch literally anything. Anything. Tell us about Jenny. Great film. Oh, but he's good. He saves the movie.

Of course he's good. All right. Well, it's Jake Johan Hall. He's like the Tom Hardy of Gunnberg. Great. He's very good. The makes of die. Well, all of the home video footage and snuff films were shot with authentic super-a-camera. It's very cool. Derek's in was... He had like a specific type of film grain that he was going for. That was super nostalgic to him. He described it as very grainy. And when you blow it up, especially on the big screen, the grain is very particular.

The color, the way it captures colors, different. The way it has always felt to him, if I'm quoting him, had to me. And this includes super-a-t films that I would find that my grandfather shot that I would watch on the home projector when I was a kid. They always felt a little creepy to me. So that's what he was trying to do. Because his grandfather was shooting snuff films. So for the super-a-t pool scene, I wondered this actually.

While I was watching it, real people were dragged into the pool as they were strapped over the hills. They had a professional... Yeah, yeah. How else... I was wondering that as they were shooting it. But they had a professional diver in the pool the entire time and we're very careful. Yeah, and I bet they didn't go to the Hollywood reporter in B.H. and Cry and Wine like Ed Harris did in the bus. That man was underpaid for that piece of artwork. They all were underpaid.

It turns out James Cameron's a bit of a dick. Like Michael Beane was underpaid. Yeah, there's a lot of people in there. So Nick King is the actor who played Baguille. He was underwater for about three hours for the pool scene. They fed him a breathing hose into the pool for him to stay underwater. Are you kidding me? Yeah, and just... He didn't underwater for like two seconds. Yeah, well, so they actually filled underwater. I thought that was just an old thing.

Just before filming, they would take out the breathing tube. Stuff a little like one gallon thing in his sleeves so we could take a few last breaths before the shot started. They realized early on that if he were to continue to go in and out of the pool, everything would fall off his body so they had to stay in the water. I don't think they'd met like clothes and then make up and I don't know. He was actually in the pool. I thought that was all digital. That's crazy. Yeah, he was in the pool.

They just didn't like him. It's funny. You mentioned the deputy James Ransom played the deputy and he was actually one of the highest rated parts of the film during test series. Audience is like... He's hilarious. They're pretty good. They loved it and they enjoyed his performance. It's just enough comic relief. He does not take you out of it. Yeah. But he adds just a little levity. And I think everybody's happy that he lives.

Yeah. Yeah. And he's playing kind of like the doofy character that would go off and investigate on his own. Yeah. Yeah. You know, he's a big twist in this movie that Ethan Hawke. And you know, he doesn't make it and deputy so and deputy so and so his figures it out before he does. Yeah. And Hawke doesn't make it. Yeah. And he's like the fanboy. He's the perfect fanboy protagonist guy. Yeah. Yeah. And that's important. I think that he's competent, right?

He comes off as a little, you know, fanboy. She comes off as a little timid. But he's good at it. He's not Barney. He's incompetent. No. He's an old fucking movie. He's actually really important to the story. So, Debbie, Debbie Duffy reporting for Duffy. I don't know. I never used to hear me when I'm cleaning my room. Yeah. I told you, Nuri, just threw him clean my room. You guys are rewatched those. You guys know, oh my goodness. Oh, it's all the know. Yeah, we need to. We've got to cover that.

We've slanted some comedies. We got, you know, it's all related. Yeah. So my fingers doofy. We cover the notebook on April Fool's day. Hopefully there's back room. Yeah, that scary horror movie. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we should cover for scary comedies like Mrs. Dalfire. Somebody's not a trailer. There's a horror movie trailer and it worked. You're like, oh my god. This is terrible. I guess the the fight scene between Ethan Ockin's wife, Ellison and Tracy wasn't blocked beforehand.

And they sort of let them improvise and do what they felt. And it turned out really good. Derrickson thinks it's rare for horror movies to have a scene like that. And he credits the actress for being so talented and professional. That was really good. For sure. It wasn't good. He was going up. He had a little Jack Torrance in him. He was kind of because he's the writer too. He was freaking out. Yeah, a little but then he keeps coming back like to be nice. It's a really good episode.

Yeah. Yeah. He was pissed. Jack Torrance doesn't do that. Of course. No, I know. No, he's pissed at it. Start right now and just get the fuck out of here. So I guess the concept of Bagoul, it stem from an argument that Derrickson and Cargill had. Cargill always thought Bagoul was a demon, but Derrickson didn't want the character to be a demon. So they boiled it down Derrickson said, what if we make it an ancient like deity of some sort? Cargill said like a babelonian deity.

And Erickson agreed and Cargill's like, yeah, well, let's do it. So Cargill set down for a couple hours with his research library and just started going through babelonian myths and babelonian stories and gods and demons. And in that argument, only one of them knew what a babelonian deity was. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, sure. That's exactly what happened. Yeah. Like a babelonian deity? Yes. So that's how they started crafting it. Derrickson did his own extensive research for the film.

He looks at all, he looked at all kinds of photography websites and artwork online, collecting images that were interesting directions to go as far as like the actual look of the deity, the demon. Well, I thought he just went and looked at the slipknot face mask. Well, it says X-E-Gim closed the gallery. Jim the guitarist in slipknot. Yeah. You're not far off, because that's look exactly like the guitarist for slipknot. No point in slipknot. Yeah. That's why he thought of exactly what it says.

He was drawn to black metal face paint that was being done at the time and it had been done in the 90s. Oh. Then it came down to five images he had found that were very different directions that he really liked. All five were, one must have been the face paint and four other directions. He sent him to Cargill and said, which one do you like? I could take off in any of these directions. And I don't know, there was a photograph. It was just called, it was titled Natalie or something. I don't know.

I don't know why. Oh, you found it? Is it titled Natalie? I sent it to you so you can put it in the show notes. Okay. We'll put it in the show notes. We need that lurking around. Okay. Cargill. Cargill really liked it and Derekson said. So the more he looked at it, he was like, this thing's fucking scary. It's great. And the more he thought, because they were going to go in that direction, right?

But the more he looked at it, the more he thought, well, if it's just, I'm happy with it being just exactly like this. And so they contacted the artist on Flickr and bought it for $500. Okay. Why the fuck did I open that? Dude, that's so great. Oh, you sent me, I, you know, did you text it? Cargill, we're putting it in the show. Oh, it's in the chat. The studio. Dude, look at the pictures below it. The one in the far right is. I'm looking at the picture. I'm going to put this in.

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Don't need to see it. Dude. Okay, I'll share this in the show notes for you guys. Yep. You guys can look at this. Check it out. Jim from Florida. It was called Natalie. I don't see the word on this specific picture, but, you know, that's interesting. Yeah. All right. But Google, but Google, there it is. So the artwork, your children. Yeah. So the artwork of the mythology, all the stuff that Denoffri was showing and going through. That was original and created for the movie.

This was sort of a made-up deity, of course. Derek soon was so impressed with how well it turned out. And Cargill loved it so much. It was the one thing he wanted when the movie wrapped. He just wanted the artwork back. Would you what? Well, hey. Yeah, so, nope, a couple other interesting things it took 19 takes to get Ethan Hawk falling with the mug in his hands to get it just right so they could see the fluorescent green in the mug. Really? Round. Yeah, I don't know why that was so hard.

I missed that. All the ground. Yeah, he passes out and falls and then you can see the green and the mug that's tipped over on the ground. Okay. Well, before, you know, the daughter comes in and everything. And yeah, Derek's in just loves the ending. He loves how the film ends badly and doesn't have happy ending. That is true. Yeah. A quick couple notes in the response. Sinister obviously was a box office success, grossing over 80 million on a 3 million budget. It opened at number one.

Yeah, open at number one with a debut at debut of 7.4 million in 2500 theaters across the US. By the end of the week in the film had gross 18 million. Roger Ebert said, Sinister is an undeniably scary movie with performances adding enough human interest to give depth to the basic building blocks of horror. In general, the film received positive reviews from horror fans and it has obviously developed a cult following it is considered by many as one of the scariest movies ever made.

They actually did some stupid study that's cited here. A 2020 study conducted by Broadband Choices named Sinister the scariest movie ever made. What? Yeah, the study sample hurt. They didn't like hurt. I'll call it heart monitor. They did. They did. The study sampled 50th highest rated horror movies ever made based on reception on sites like IMDB, Ron tomatoes and Reddit. Then they measured study participants heart rates while watching the sampled films.

And the average resting, the average heart rate basically went up 32% among all of the people watching Sinister. Dude, so scary movie full time Sinister. That's what they're saying. Okay. Hey, hey, I mean, it's fucking it is. It's up there. So yeah, but it's yeah, but I think I was trying to remember. I think I saw what was it? There was a Sinister was number one and then host was number two, which it's been dude, Oh, it's me and Kabbalah watch out together. Skinner Murink was number three.

Get the fuck out of here with that. As I was saying, this list is all in the skin. Skinner Murink. Skinner Murink was more scary than in Citius. It's one of crock. Whatever. That's a I had to hide my dream. I just didn't come to those lap when when we were watching hosts, because I was so scared. Preventary smile. We're here. We're here. We're here. I was just chatting my lap. I felt something growing excited me. Yes. Yes. And then like like Hell House LLC, talked to me.

The exercise isn't even on this list. What? I can see a lot of things. Not all of us. None of them are. It's like I can see conjuring and serious. What else did you say again? And like conjuring and insidious. And this movie. But then like the rest were like smile. Oh, yes. Hot to me. And it was closed. But like no none of like anything I would consider to be scary. Yeah. I think the conjuring was scary.

Well speaking of hosts, did you did you see that post there's a post that was going around that was like this is I think it was like by the director of hosts. And it said this is the setup we used to film hosts. And it was literally a laptop with an iPhone taped to the back of it using the iPhone camera as like the webcam. And like a body pack mic taped to it. So the participant could be mic because like we just sent these out to everybody and they use their iPhones.

And that's how we filmed host. That's awesome. It name it. Brides. We're good. And so it's that the good. Solid movie. The host is pretty good. Yeah. It is host is good. Unfriended. It's superior. Unfriended man. Fucking blood. Oh, man. The freaking banders with unfriended. We don't even know what kind of computers they were using on hosts. We know they were using zoom. Yeah, but you could use that on anything. You use it on some some some windows. Computer.

Some like you know some like to Shiba. Have you guys seen if you guys seen talking hand? I see the talking that talk to me. Yeah. Talk to me. Was that was that scary? I thought it was pretty good. I don't know. It was good. I hear it. I remember not liking the ending. Remember not really. Let's check that out. It was good. I paid $10 for it. Oh, I think I might have it. Okay. I paid $20 for Carmelo's Exorcist. So I mean, don't call it that. For Carmelo's Exorcist, I paid 20.

I still haven't seen one dime of that movie. Before we jump into the last segment, we've been giving shit away again now. So I know what's that noise. Oh, oh, I got it. If we're only halfway through or in trouble, it's the horror end of podcast time. So I know we've probably given him stuff before, but will will Greer has been making some awesome shit for us at night of the creeps. Yeah, we'll we appreciate the awesome content you've been making including us. So so good.

I shared one or two things on the page. So you guys have to check it out, but will just shoot me a message or or our page of message and I'll send you something you don't have. I'm trying to get rid of special edition poultry guys. So if you want it, you know, you just let me know. I'll send that to you or I can send you a teacher. You know, I still need to want to send poultry guys documentary. I think Carmelo was yet to. No, no, no, no. I told Carmelo I would like Carmelo.

Yeah. You would just say, I said, Carmelo, I would send him my double copy of event horizon though. Yes, that would be wonderful. Yeah, I'm still supposed to do that because I have two now. You know, I'm just going to Montana. I'll grab you. Oh, yeah, yeah, I'll try to remind me. I'll bring it up there. So so we'll go here. Let's know or just shoot me a message. I'll send you some. And for the rest of you listening, you know, tag, share, comment.

And maybe you will be the horror freak of the week next time. Is anybody checking my Instagram stuff or do we want it all in the okay? No, I check Instagram and Facebook like Dave's. I'm not just saying I don't, I don't check Instagram. Yeah. So. And then before another thing I wanted to say was, we haven't got any like reviews on Apple podcasts in a long time just because we don't even ask for them anymore. But go there and leave some reviews. It'd be nice to have some fresh fresh.

And for really, we really like the ones that include key words like misogyny. Yeah, racism. There's some bad ones there, but there's some good homophobia. Oh, I like the ones that are like, we're also too woke. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I don't think any of those were that weird to woke. I think that there's a particular host on the show. Sorry guys. Yeah, it's great. It's great guys. Yeah. I was going to take the fall, but yeah, Scotty, what I do my best to bring in the friends.

So Scotty, yeah, Scotty won't leave his liberal agenda out of this podcast. I don't know. I don't think my best to try to bring in the flat earthers, the QAnons, the Trump supporters, the pizza gators. I was doing my best. Well, just go leave us some reviews on Apple podcasts. Yeah. You're good or bad. I'm going to manifest that. But mainly good. But mainly good. All right. What did you watch? Yeah. Anybody? Anybody. I watched that you're, they're never going to catch me or whatever.

Or you're never going to catch me on shutter. Um, the guy with the girl in the, yeah, that's not what it's called. What was real? It was a, I don't know something like they're never. I remember. Yeah, you're in the guy in the trailer and the unshuttered. You'll see it. It's on shutter. It's got an old guy's face in a red background. I thought it was really good. I don't know. I talked about a couple weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. You can't find me as Savannah said. And, um, I thought it was really good.

I was hooked on it the whole time and, uh, checked it out. Then of course, we watched, uh, late night with the devil. I didn't see it. I thought it was phenomenal. I watched it. A lot of it. The night it released. I did. I watched the next happy. I need to watch it. Oh, damn it. I'm not going to say that it's scary or anything, but it was shot in such an interesting way. And Savannah really liked it too, because the art design, I mean, you feel like it's 1970. Yeah. You did. It's perfect.

That's so good. And the acting's phenomenal. Everything about it's great. Everything about that movie is great. And I hope I know that they kept it in theaters for an extra. They're going to do like theaters and streaming, but it did so good that they held off two or three weeks before releasing it. Before a shutter original, I hope it cleaned up. I think it's shutter's biggest now. I'm not positive. It has to be. I mean, the host probably was before, but yeah, but host was strictly streaming.

Yeah. Because it was the oldest pandemic. Yeah. Um, I watched a couple of watchdune, but then I was like, Oh, you got so you know, I'm not. I saw you do too. I don't know. It was great. Dude, it's awesome. You saw it finally, Camillo? Yeah. I thought, you know, at the end of it, I'm not. I'm still not crazy about doing. I thought the first one was just tremendously boring, but second one's way better. After the second one, I at least get it. I get why it's a phenomenon.

Yeah. I get why people are like, Lord, the ring's crazy overdo. And so I get it. There was just a couple of moments in the second one where you're, it's just triumphant. Hair stand up, your heart, you're like, you know, this is why I come to move. Yeah. But also like, you know, darkness, like when he's taken over the, the, the, lose everyone to war, you're like, well, you know what?

Upon second viewing, and I know this isn't a doom to podcast, but upon second viewing, I accepted it way more because I'm like, oh, he's just like, just from that moment, you have to know that he's just saying, like his girl issues are bullshit compared to like the bigger picture of life. And he's now accepted that and is moving forward and doesn't give a fuck anymore. That's what you have to just like know. Oh, you do.

And I, you know, you got to admire the conviction there, though it's hardly a sacrifice to choose Florida's pub over, you know, some aisle. Like they're both great, but you know, guys not having a bad day either way. But the darkness of like, he's clearly like an anti-Christ. Yeah. Yeah. The line you're rooting for him, but you're also like, yeah, he's also leading a bunch of people. The holy war and that's true. That's true. It was good. It was good. I thought that was supposed to.

Oh, yeah, how was Ghostbusters? It was good. It wasn't bad. I just say you hated it, Carmelo. Just say you didn't like. I didn't hate it. I hated it. I didn't even know there was a new Ghostbusters movie. Yeah. They might have advertised this movie well. I had no idea. I didn't. I didn't really had no idea either. I also saw Godzilla versus Kong, which was fun. Oh, yes. I heard it was really good. Yeah, I heard it was. It was, I mean, it was.

It was not Godzilla minus one, which was like the greatest movie of 2023. Yeah. But like legit, I think was an amazing film. But this was a blast. I mean, Godzilla and Kong fight. And there's another monkey they fight him too. And there's another lizard with ice power. I'm never seen one Godzilla. They all punch each other. It's great. Oh, Rob, if you've never seen one Godzilla, go watch Godzilla minus one. It's the best. It's the best. I just I had to watch the end of my life.

He's a point in watching children's movies. I have elevated myself. Let's see the old classic ones. What? Godzilla. I did, I did, I did Google it late night with the devil's budget. It was 1.15 million and it did over 11 million. Wow. So one point one that's all they spent on that. So they said that the visual effects alone, they only spend $150,000. That's crazy. Wow. So and I was a, I was a limited theatrical run because like the theater by my house did not have it.

I would have had to have driven to like like I probably had driven like 15 miles to like a huge AMC megaplex. Yeah. Like at the mall, but it wasn't a huge release. So that's awesome. And I'm sure that I saw a ton of people commenting that they all were getting. subscriptions to watch it. So yeah, I don't know how they crunch. Those numbers were streaming, but that's one of those movies, where that's one of those movies where someone made it and you're like fuck.

Which way would he made that movie? So good. Like $1 million, and it's just zipped it out there. Just like, Oh, and they made it quick. I mean, there was like people on like the Joe Bob stuff, all the shutter people were kinda hinting about it. And then two months later, it was out. So it's really good you guys will never believe what I did I Rewatched exercises the believer cuz I On that here yep

Told you I fell asleep. I told you I fell asleep and we all told you how lucky you were You're saved you were chosen You're My god, I remember you're storing right I was like dude wake up man So I was like I gotta rewatch it. I just gotta it was better no It was even more obvious how I don't want to start but I was even more obvious how quickly it was like oh she's possessed It's the they guys like I don't appeared for 30 seconds and her father beat a homeless man to guys like

Like I don't believe in the question and then ten minutes later. He's like she's possessed So no build up no nothing and then dude the I my eyes have now been open. This is why the the argument is reopening It's not even an argument because now I see how even More scattered all over the place and ridiculous to the climax was like how could any writer or any character in the movie Be led to believe that any of those efforts

Combined in such a mess would have worked to save these girls never One thing the three the three the three misses the bees that you see the silhouette of Linda Blair She was the only one smart enough to like I She wrote the scripts like no So I did that and I watched a couple Creep show episodes and I've been watching fallout too I need to watch fall because I like I like goggins. He's so good. It's good. He's got the same accent from

From uh, well that's just he's from Birmingham, Alabama. Yeah, so it's his voice. Yeah, but I can't be obviously But no, I can't wait for righteous gemstone season four. It has been greenlit. I can't wait for that And I do need to watch fallout. I have no idea Except for yeah, I never played the games, but I never played the games. I don't know anything about it. Good show Uh, it's a man. I go as a show on prime

This is it is it all out? It yeah season ones all out. Yeah, you watch season one. I did I also watched uh, showgun season one of showgun. It's all out. That was pretty good. That was pretty good Samurai thing on hulu. I don't like Sam Morris. Oh, okay. Well don't watch it then I'm not gonna. Don't worry. The guy and it's really good though cut the lead guy and so is the girl So anyway, I didn't watch the horror Liz Liz Liz and I are watching that succession show on HBO. It's pretty damn good

The that's that Brian Cox one. Yeah, Brian Cox one. It's it's it's good. And it's a very drama filled and shit going on in that one But I'm in Cox. I'll talk to you. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was on Joe Bob Uh, y'all need if you have how's the joe Bob version of it because I just watched it. Oh no, it's so good because he invites the producer And both of the writers on and they go through like a huge how did they make the movie? It's so okay

I gotta watch that you guys should watch it's really good succession to it. It is good. Do they still do joe Bob where you can Where they have it where you don't have to watch the movie where you can just watch yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, it's just search If you just search just joe Bob all of them on it come up. I don't know. It depends on when they edit them down

But yeah, but the autopsy of Jane Doe is one of his great movie, but the joe Bob was fantastic. Okay. I'll check that out All right guys. Well, we are covering We are covering Jeepers creepers next time. Oh, whoa. Yeah, I think I didn't get included in this you're Yeah, I have to just just the first one's right. I know I want to meet the I want to meet the females just the first one

That's in the queue. Well, well, it's made you I got I got a research it and make sure this in the queue. Yeah We have to make sure it's worthy up another poultry guys, don't it although it was entertaining and I would don't take it back I don't regret it. I don't take it. It was amazing and meet the females. Well, it was directed by Peter Jackson I know that probably will be because Peter Jackson in true form like with brain dead and such is This is

Shitting into the camera. No, no, this is this is a puppet. Okay It's like the sick twisted version of Peter Jackson that did dead alive, but he did it with puppets. Okay Okay, I mean, we got some we got a lot of requests to Aaron wants us to do the feast trilogy. We could maybe start getting into that But we are doing Jeepers creepers because it's a it's a little nostalgic for me I have some memories around literally watching it

They shot it like they shot it like two hours away from Tallahassee. So I remember So yeah, I think they shot it outside of O'Cala Yeah, I'll probably drove through with a shot at when you were driving from Thomasville to probably did and to my I'll drove from Thomasville to Orlando you probably did drive right by where they filmed you Well everything and and if I'm remembering correctly pretty much everything after the first one is just to hog shit Oh my god, it's so bad. Yeah

We'll look at the first one for sure then that last one. There was a sci-fi The last one actually I was in a movie that was directed by the same guy that directed the last one Oh really? And the studio that did 97 minutes also did the last Jeepers creepers So Jeepers creepers six or seven or whatever is the creepers reborn

Yeah, there was like one that was like direct to sci-fi. I mean in the like CGI glass breaking Yeah, like they couldn't even afford so it was filmed in Dunnell and the director's a cool guy Because I did I guess I did a film with him Yeah, just a lot of power and he's like a metalhead. He's like Sepulter and he's he's from he's like Norwegian or something But uh, he sort of got got the shit end of the stick with that with that making that movie

So anyways, oh yeah Jeepers creepers in a couple weeks here. So All right guys, thanks for joining us later later Don't you blame the movies movies don't create psychos movies make psychos or create Oh, yes, there will be blood