311: Event Horizon

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What were you doing again? Well, here we are. Event horizon. Event horizon. A fort-isem. A haunted ship A missing crew. An infinite evil. I was like, oh, I Its an old movie and I forgot that I did. So I went to watch it and I was like, hold on, let me check, if I own this real quick. I have a sneaking feeling. And then I did. You have the baby piece. I have the blu-ray.

Ooh. It's got, like, all the special features as I sent it to one of our people that helps with the research and then she's sending it. Could I put that if she's sending it back to you? Could I get the copy? I'll have to bring it to you. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be awesome. I think I bought you that blue way for Christmas, like way back. Yeah, sometime. This was, this came out, we're trying to cover some horror that, oh, Scottie's, oh, he was frozen for a second.

We're doing some horror that like was, well, they came out when we were, you know, have the age where we all love to go. I mean, we still have to go see horror movies, but high school age, late middle school, thought we'd hit a couple and that like early 2000s, mid 2000s range. And this is one of them. And this is one I remember when I came out and I just fucking loved this movie. Yeah, this movie's awesome. Yeah, too. I love it. I rewatched it today, obviously. And it still holds up.

It's not, it doesn't quite have the same impact as it did when I went back in the day. But it's still really good. It's still really good. I like it a lot. It's one of those movies where the execution matches the concept for me. Like the idea behind this movie, I think is, is bone-chilling. Yes. Just terrifying. And sometimes a lot of these movies have a great concept, really poor execution or low budget or whatever. And it doesn't land like it should.

In fact, sometimes even the worst movies have decent concepts to them. But this one, they could have taken it further. We'll talk about that. I'm sure. But this did not disappoint. No, I want a sequel. Why haven't they made a sequel yet? I'll just find pride in the end. Very end. But I mean, there are having visions and hallucinations, but it sets it up. I mean, there should be a sequel. Whenever you mix horror and space, I'm just in 100%. Totally. That's what it's case next.

Yeah, that's why I, Jason X is a guilty plumber. There's some bad examples like Jason X and whatever hella razor and. Hella razor for him. So Jason, next I, like, I love the concept. And I love a lot of that movie, but it is definitely like the low budget sci-fi channel. Like it could have been the best Jason. It could have been alien, but with Jason instead of alien. And that's why I want to like that movie a lot more than I actually do. So it's a guilty plumber.

I know. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely love this movie. Sorry to like, but I think obviously the cast is there. I forgot about some of the cast too. And they're all really good. And of course, just the eariness and the gore. I actually watched it on the plane ride. I'm in Heelo Hawaii, by the way, guys. That's why I'm all blurry. The Wi-Fi I thought was good here, but it might be a little blurry. So. Okay. I'm working on it. You're still the best looking one of us. Oh, well, hey, I got my tank on.

You know, it's sunny out. You can check. Yeah, baby. I don't know. Today is the first day I'm rocking my Geralt of Rivia hair. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's. I think it's the top not with the bottom. No, you got to get it up higher like a man bun. I don't know. Like Jake Joe and Hall in a night crawler. Okay. Really? Yeah. Does he have a man bun in that? We interrupt it. Scotty. We're gonna say something about the movie. I'm trying to quiz him on Jake. I know. I know my Jake Joe and Hall.

I was just gonna say, I like the Geralt of Rivia. And I love Jake Joe and Hall. But I was gonna say, uh, it was easier to watch this movie on the plane because like when it went like turbulent, the like ship was like getting all crazy and stuff too. So I was kind of like just going with the movie as the plane was all turbulent and it helped me a lot. Because I hate turbulence. I'm playing so much. And I thought like Joe and Hall and prisoners with the undercut. And he's not even I do like Joe.

I'm just saying that he also wrote great man bonus. I was like, you know what? And even though Roadhouse is a remake and the director said to boycott that movie, I'm still going to watch that movie. Welcome to the call classic horror show. We're Scotty Boni, Hermela Camera, Discussed Movies. Yeah. Robert and Eddie. And Eddie Rob don't even listen to anything that we say. I got somebody finish. I let him finish his training. And collaborate. You just went back to the Jill and Hall thing.

I wasn't done collaborating on Rob's comment. I am. You know what? Talking about Jake Jones. I don't want to be right. No, no, not from the children. I'm not sort of children. We're live. What? Why does the direct never mind? We'll be in Rob will text about this later. I don't know. Talk about that on a set. You know what? On the side. Like me and Danny will open a new tab. And we'll watch. We'll watch Nightcrawler together. I do love Nightcrawler. That's great.

I'm having swashbacks of a exorcist. We just keep talking about the exorcist. We get now I've got some things to say about that. On topic. Now anyways, yes. So Rob, what do you think of this movie? I hated it. I, of course you did. Of course you did. You said you woke it last week. I know that I was wrong after I started watching it. I got about 45 minutes into it. And then me and Danny started arguing over whether universal soldier is better than hard target, which is the best.

So then I spent like $27 on Van Dam movies. So I got them all on DVD, Rob. I can just go over here. Yeah, but you're not here with the DVD. I don't even have a DVD player. One. So I don't know what we would do. But I don't even have a lot of many guns to necessitate an entire rack. You know, if you're not careful, you're going to lose me. So Rob, did you watch In Hell? That's the important question. No, it's on my list. I'm sorry. That's one of my favorite things.

It does look really, really good. The problem is when I go back and rediscover my love for Van Dam, I end up watching basically the same ones. You know what I mean? But instead of watching Death Or It, I think I will sub that. Watch In Hell. Just don't watch any Van Dam movies after like 2003. I, yeah, no. No, anyways, what didn't you say we should watch this movie, Rob? Yeah. Didn't you? No, I did. I did like, I've actually seen this movie. A bunch.

I think this was like one of those TNT or TBS movies that used to run all the, when Scott he gives us the numbers, maybe that'll answer why. But I remember this thing being on TV all the time. And it definitely makes you stop. It's a, it's a good movie. I think they could have done more with it. And it does suffer from like the CGI. It does. At the time it didn't really, though. I know. And that's what's hard to go back on some of these.

But no, um, despite what people may say, that I don't hate everything. This one, this one is good. It's a class in sufferers that CGI is like, as like, sort of, or like, or Jason X or, yeah. Oh my god, or like leprechaun in space. Oh, I forgot about that one. What's the one we just watched in space? Uh, Galaxy Atera. Oh, yeah. I mean, Galaxy Atera had an excuse. That was like early 80s.

Yeah, yeah, no. I mean, like there were some movies they cranked out in the, oh, like some of those urban, but not urban, um, final destination movies. Like some of those sequels where they CGI'd car wrecks. And it looked like cruising USA. Like I just some of that, some of it's unforgivable. But yeah, uh, all in all, it's a, it's a really cool concept. Um, and I like that it's, uh, like you said, anything in space actually is pretty good. It doesn't have to be horror for me.

Uh, speaking of Jake Jo and Hall, that Jake Jo and Hall Ryan Reynolds space. I watched somewhere recently. Um, life is, it was like a low budget, kind of like sneak movie, but it being in space makes the horror so much better because you can't go anywhere. I mean, you're stuck. You're in a pot or you're in a ship or you're in, you're, you're automatically, it takes away even the cabin in the woods where you can run away. I don't know if you know this, but no one in space can hear you scream.

That is true. And, um, and I like that this was a super, horror movies because it's a winter. Yeah, it's a situation. It's like you can't go anywhere. It's, oh, but you can. Anybody with a pair of decent boots and a puffer jacket can get out in the water. You're right that space is worse, right? But it's in the Colorado in January. And I'm going to find where you're going in Antarctica, right? Like, yeah, that's basically space. You're on the island.

Yeah, and I'm thinking, but like I also like this that it's unlike the other movies and unlike the thing. And so it's not really a, it's not really like a monster in quotes or an alien. This to me is like one of the only super natural space movies I can think of. Because I mean, I know that it manifests physically possession and stuff, but still it's, it's more supernatural than it is. That's what I like about it. That's a visionary super.

Yeah. And I can't think of another, I can't think of another movie that, that kind of does that. Yeah, yeah. It's a movie of it's kind, for sure. Definitely. Well, let's get a little synopsis from Mr. Doctor. Doctor? Come on, Kevin. Am I allowed? Do you have his doctorate? Doctorate. I typically only require my enemies to call me doctor, but I appreciate the difference today. You can get a doctorate for like 50 bucks. Can you? You'll think about that.

Yeah, you can get a doctorate of divinity for like, you got to fill out a questionnaire. And it's like, I think it was 50 bucks. I don't have a doctorate in divinity, but I am an ordain minister. Oh, you can get that for cheaper than that. I should have had you hearing me. That was free. I just spent 25 bucks on the stamp. Oh, sweet. Yeah, it's a pretty good deal. You can have a little just go get our doctorates. That's a great idea. We should open a college.

Rob, we're going to start all these podcasts. Why do I want to college? All right, it's 2047. You'll know. 23 years from now, this is all going to happen. So strap in because it's going to be a wild fucking 23. Although it did say by 2015, they had a permanent colony on the moon, which hasn't happened yet. We're a little behind. Maybe Rob, is there a colony on the moon? We don't know. No, no, no. Probably. Probably so. Is there a clue? It's just, you know, what are they not telling us?

Think about it. I know. Yeah, I need you to think about it. Well, this is filled with 97. So they thought there was going to be one by then. But I love the optimism people used to have for the future. You know, fly people in the mid to late 90s. Yeah, really thought shit was going to happen. Yeah, a lot of pressure in the 2020s. Yeah, yeah. I mean, if it wasn't for Obama, we probably would. Instead, we have tide pods. 2087, this ship comes out of nowhere and appears in orbit around Neptune.

It's the event horizon. It was previously sent into space seven years earlier to go to Proxima Centauri. It vanished. It was trying a new warp drive. And now it's reappeared. So we send obviously a sort of a scavenger rescue crew, you know, that kind of a salvage team. And they're joined by Dr. Weir, who, you know, you might remember from Jurassic Park. But now he's a scientist. He's a physicist now. He's not a paleontologist anymore. And he explains with the class. Because dinosaurs are real.

Well, right. Exactly. Just like just like space isn't real. Either it's, you know, the NASA fake to moon landing. And he does this famous thing where he like folds the paper and pokes the hole through to explain. I love the space travel. I won't go into it because no one liked how I explained it. I'm definitely not going to explain warp drive. But anyway, I do love that the writing in this skipped over actually all the technology. Just all of it.

It was just they were like, what's the closest distance between two points? Nothing. All they had to do with the magazine and show it to him. All they had to do is insert crew members over and over again going in English. Motherfucker. Point English. That's my favorite, right? It's like it's dumb it down in English. So in English, the event horizon travels through space by going into like an alternate dimension so it can travel faster than light and appear on the other side of space.

But it disappeared when it did that. Now it's back. So the salvage team goes and they're not there very long before they all start hallucinating. And they're seeing horrible images of usually particular to them about their fears and regrets. One of them goes crazy and tries to blow himself out of an airlock. And they're like, they save him last minute. And they have to throw him kind of in stasis. Wear goes absolutely off the deep end.

And he realizes that the other dimension the ship traveled through was hell or something like it. And then they finally recover this footage of the old crew and everyone is just fucking each other and slicing each other up and gouging their own eyes out. And the crew is like, holy shit, we need to get out of here. But we're is like, no, I want to go back to hell. The ship is now like sentient going to hell sort of made the ship like alive. Maybe it's possessed, not crystal clear.

The ship is basically a haunted house at this point. We're blows up the other ship that they came in, the Lewis and Clark. Now everyone's stuck on the event horizon. Bastard. Yeah, he starts off in them one by one. I think he dissects a guy. It's all pretty terrible. And then I think he now he's got his eyes stitched shut for some reason. It's really horrible. Finally, Morpheus, I mean, Lawrence Fishburn, decides, all right, you guys get to them. Yeah, I'm almost certain this one's Tay Diggs.

That was the other guy. That was true. You guys get to the front of the ship. I'm going to blow the ship in half. And Lawrence Fishburn quite predictably kicks the shit out of Sam Neill. Because Lawrence Fishburn is a badass. I love him. blows the ship in half. Lawrence Fishburn in the back half of the ship gets sucked into hell. And the survivors are rescued 72 days later. After being in stasis, though they continued to have horrible nightmares of, of, of weird. And that's it.

This movie is a, it's a real ride. Yeah. This is very similar to Dead Space, the video game. Oh, yeah. Dead Space. Yeah. If you think about it. And I think they were going to make a movie out of that and they haven't yet. That would be really awesome. Or do. I think I ever played Dead Space. I think I'll do. That's really awesome. It's, it's basically a ship that. Well, I have to, I have to play it again.

I think it's more to do with a planet of demons, with maybe a portal to, oh, that's sort of like doom. The lines are crossing here. Let's just move on. The movie was great. I'll go to numbers. The movie was great. But the numbers weren't as great. Event horizon released in August 15th, 1997. Budget 60 million box office 42 million. Rotten Tomatoes 34%. That's, that's, those are really low numbers. I don't. Unreal. Well, just people just don't get it. Yeah. You know, it's the same.

It's the same mouth breathing, basement dwelling losers that think that Joseph Gordon Green made a good Halloween movie. See, when they could have been watching event horizon instead and enjoying that. See, yeah, I don't get it, man. I mean, where's the 45 minute, you know, epilogue about the trauma, man? Like what's the character's real motivation in this? Yeah. Yeah. Sam Newell. Sam is in a ship. He won't go on the show. We did have some, some, uh, stellar cast.

I mean, Lawrence Fishburn, Sam Newell, we've already mentioned. Ty Diggs. Yeah. Kathleen Quinlan. Um, Jason Isaacs, who has done so much since, uh, uh, um, and then also the, uh, Cooper. I really like Jason Isaacs. Yeah. Jason Isaacs. I love Jason Isaacs. Sean Partway. He's great. Yeah. Yeah. I actually kind of feel bad. Sean Pirate. Yeah. Pirate Lee is who I was thinking of. Yeah. I feel bad for Sam Newell.

I mean, if you actually go back and look at some of the stuff that he was doing that wasn't Jurassic Park, it's actually all really kind of cool stuff that he did. And really besides Jurassic Park, I don't really think he got any props, but in this movie he sells the character so well. Yeah. It's a really good job. The ring. He shows in this movie. Absolutely outstanding. It is. And he's historically not historically, but he's been a horror guy before.

I mean, you know, in the mouth of madness and then you have him in, Oh, man, in Oh, man for which wasn't a great movie, but you know, it's well, he did that weird horror arts movie, the possession. Ah, yes, that's right. I mean, that movie wasn't sane. Doesn't make any sense. Very artsy cold war, weird Polish horror movie, but again, he's got incredible range as an actor. And I think I got to understand how this movie is at 30 something percent on Rod and some A-dose.

Oh, I mean, only because I'd say the only real negative drawback to the movie is the occasional. And it's very small CGI. Very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very big light. He's the best actor who can just talk about the plot. And he'll mean acting and beこう, maybe flowing with the movie, like, like I just on 그렇게 the story. And he's like, well, he saw this.

What's pitiful about in Red Star? the resident evils. Yeah. Aliin versus Predator 2004 and death rates 2008. Never saw Aliin versus Predator. That's the first one. Yeah. Yeah. Lots of lots of strong opinions for me on that. I'll leave for no. Maybe we'll those. We never covered those right? Are you sure we didn't? No, we didn't. We don't think we did. I would do a two for though. I would do both Aliin versus Predators and what we did actually. But what but then what we do online?

Is there only two of them? I thought there's only the two and we don't do like sequel runs anymore like we used to say that I would knock those out together. What about like Predators and we do do them. We do. Predators was I actually liked that probably the only person who liked it. The predator, the new one was balls. Prey was awesome. And they're doing another. I thought Prey was good. And I actually liked the predator before before Prey, the one that had

a predator with with Thomas. I like that movie. I thought the Thomas Jane and key Michael or key boy. Holbrooke was the main guy. Yeah. Just the ban turn. It was fun. I thought I thought they had a good comic relief. They were all together. Both playing these crazy like post dramatic stressed out guys and they're taking bets on who's dying. And I thought it was a really I thought it was fun. I thought it was really good. It's got sterling brown. He's

he's good. Maybe I was hard on it. But but everybody hated it. I mean, it bombed everybody hated that movie. I thought I know I'm not into like the universes of these things. So I just watched everyone almost independent. That was the other. I just thought it was like Prey. I just thought Prey was good. Yeah. I thought it was a good movie. It's amazing. And Prey is like the formula for what Predator movies should be, which is just drop the predator in a different

time period in region. And you there's your movie. And that's exactly what they're doing. Prey too is going to be World War Two. They're going to drop that. And you imagine that ship that's going to be fucking great. Yeah. I don't know. I'd like to see like the predator get dropped in like in the 1600s with like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'll be that. That's that. That'll be next. Yeah. I don't know. One or two we had some artillery man.

You know, they fully automatic weapons. But they already sort of did a medieval thing in a in a Academy Award should have been a winning film called Time Cop. Right. And they open up time cops. Oh yeah. I should have bought it. It was only 799. I've just paid 399. I should have bought it. Yeah. All right. Anyways. Well, this movie hasn't historically. The same matter can occupy the same space production history. So first of all, Paul Anderson was offered another movie that he almost didn't

stop. This is not the Paul Anderson from Peaky Blinders by the way. I love him. Oh, Sam the old Peaky Blinders. He wasn't Peaky Blinders. Right. He plays the cop. I'm not watching the show. But then a candle. I have not watched Peaky Blinders either. I don't see. It's good. But let's let's just move. It's so good. All you got to do is I got to do is go to YouTube and type in Tom Hardy Peaky Blinders, watch all highlights and then you're done. No. Killian Murphy. I like Paul Anderson.

And Paul Anderson too. So anyways. All right. Director turned down 2000's X-Men to do this movie. I think it's a much better movie than any X-Men movie. I mean, instead the gig went to Brian Singer. Anderson opted to make something darker at this point in his career. Anderson later say that it might have not been the best career choice, but he did not want to make another PG-13 movie at the time. He he's quoted as saying, I definitely had something dark and scary in my psyche to get out.

You're being treated by the script written by Philip Eisner and took the chance to direct. Sam. Missed down on X-Men. But the original screenplay wasn't really in shooting shape for Anderson or the studio. And this is with Paramount, by the way. The original version was too close to Aliens, they said. Close enough to call it in Aliens rip off. Paramount gave Anderson permission to alter the script and fit it into a $60 million

budget. Anderson liked the script that wanted to tell a story closer to the shining than Alien. Something we're gothic and diabolical. We're just talking about that isolation aspect. Hey. Yeah. There it is. Exactly. So he's he told he's quoted as saying we spend a lot of time coming up with a design concept, which we call techno medieval. When the lights are on, everything looks very technological and very spaceship like.

When the lights go off and the hauntings begin, you start looking at the shapes. Oh wait, he's English, right? And the architecture is fatty. Oh, he's not German. Medieval. We extended that techno, techno medieval design into his many aspects of the pictures looks possible without rubbing it in audiences noses. So that was sort of cool. It looks good. I mean, it does. I mean, like the ships have the ships look more like architecture than they do. Yeah, like space.

There's nothing aerodynamic about them. Yeah. They are just like they're gray. And then I mean, you see they intentionally had wide shots, external shots of the ships when the lights are off versus on. Yeah. And they have like a really, I don't know if I'd say like techno medieval. It's like a it's like a steam punk gothic. That's what I get. It's more of a god looking.

But no, I mean, like the plates on the front of the ships, their names, you know, when they pull up the event horizons got like this, like, you know, 10 times the size of a billboard, like looks like a bronze plate riveted to the front of it. It's it is a really, the set design is really cool. Everything about it. I like I said, I pretty much there's really no issues with this movie. I can't believe.

I don't know why it didn't perform better in the box office, which horror movies sometimes just don't unless they're horror movies for children on screen. But I can't believe they're rotten tomatoes is so low on this. Cause I'm rehashing it in my mind. At no point of the movie are you bored? At no point of the movie does it really not make any sense? It's it's all there. This is like you said, like comparing it to like the shining, this is Jack Torrance in space, but it's Sam Neal playing it.

So yeah, it's better directors and you know, a much better director than Kubrick. And what do you go to the deep end faster? And like I said, and like you said about the ship, it's not no Star Trek Star Wars nice and fresh looking. It's got that gritty medieval look. Which is nice. Well, there was a catch to Anderson being handed this big budget on a plate. Paramount's biggest adventure at this time. Titanic was delayed in over budget.

Oh, that meant the studio needed another movie to fill the summer box office slot. And this movie needed to be ready by August of 97. So this only gave me Anderson six weeks to edit the movie. But he was actually two of those days. He had two of those weeks. He ended up having to do some shooting. And so really they edited this movie in four weeks time. Geez. And I didn't really notice anything, but some people will say, oh, you noticed it in the editing.

And it's a little bit rough and some of the lines. And you can tell you didn't get as many takes as he wanted to. And everything. I mean, maybe, but like, you know, I kind of, well, the crazy thing is you kind of look at it from 2024. And I mean, load this movie up next to a bunch of the Netflix garbage that comes out. You want to talk about bad editing, misplot points, like the movie having to be wrapped up. And you could tell it because it just ran out of money.

Like recently, like, you know what I mean? Like, uh, wrap it up. That the end of the world movie on Netflix, again, you could tell the ending, they were out of, they were out of money. They're flat out of money. And Netflix bought the production and probably gave them two weeks to shoot. Yeah. It said just shoot something. And then put it out. That Ben Affleck movie is one of the, that's the one I always go to on Netflix. The one where he's a mercenary and there. Oh, yeah.

And that movie is like 85% pretty solid. And then you could just tell it was like the last the ending of the movie was just dog shit. And it looked different. It was shot different. The sound was everything about it just looked like and I have to imagine that's what it is. They're like, hey, we're out of money. Netflix will bail us out. Well, we got two weeks to wrap this shit up. Yeah. Can rush, rush, rush. And this we did see like it was edited bad.

Again, I don't see anything really wrong with the pacing or the story. Well, as far as we talk about the design a little bit, they actually use an architectural cam program. They basically, I don't really know what that is, but they're basically able to rebuild Notre Dame Cathedral in the computer. Then they pull it apart and use different elements of it to build the event horizon. So like the towers from Notre Dame became the engine thruster pods and such. That is awesome. That's awesome.

And because they said, because the ship Anderson says, because the ship's operating as a villain of the story, he wanted it to look ominous. And it was constructed on a giant sound stage. And once the first vision of the ship was done, Anderson knew that they had nailed it. He's like, yeah, that's what I want. Front of that ship. I mean, I will, if I was the budget guy on this, though, I will say that is really cool, but it's wasted in my opinion.

Because I think you probably could have hired a really cool head three or four like, you know, sculptors or model makers to say, make me a scary ship. Yeah. And you probably wouldn't have had to pay at that time, probably millions. So that's the idea of the art computer software to scan Notre Dame. To scan. Yeah, cool. They can just take a 3D model and turn it into a thruster. Yeah. I am proud of that.

If I'm remembering correctly, this does open similar to like, Ali, doesn't it open with her having like a bad dream in her room on a ship somewhere or maybe? I'd say aliens too. Yeah, aliens too definitely opens like that. It definitely, I mean, the pods, the dreams, the kind of, the suits a little bit, the fact that they are a rescue recovery team. Yeah. It's just in the way. But it's not, it's not huge.

It's just, I think alien and aliens was like one of the first sci-fi space movies to where it wasn't clean. Like they're on like a floating or space refinery and everything's dirty and chains. Dark and dirty and so on. I mean, you can make that comparison, but this movie is like 20 years after alien. Well, maybe some of the, some of the worst, I guess maybe CG was of this Lewis and Clark establishing and Anderson hates the shot of the model ship of Lewis and Clark.

He thinks it's one of the worst shots in the film. It's not great. No, so I mean, it's what it's there. And then they come into the front windshield of it basically into the ship. That's how you sort of get into the state. Again, you know, yeah. But the interior of this space of the Lewis and Clark was built in one continuous set. But they basically, it let them create one or two long study cam shots at the beginning of the film when all the characters were being introduced.

So there wasn't a good study cam. Yeah, all the interior stuff was super detailed. I was impressed with that. It kind of, it's kind of one of those things that is, I mean, I guess I understand his position on it, not liking it because it's not great. But it's also like one of those things where I don't think we needed it. Yeah. I don't think you needed an establishing shot of the Lewis and Clark. Yeah. And where it's docked in those home pods.

I think it worked really well when it was docked or maybe just like, it's there. And then of course the shots of them working on it were closed. They were, they were cropped. You know, where they were walking up and down like the sheet metal and stuff. So I mean, that's what we'll talk about the end when it explodes. But we'll talk about that again. See, like Lauren's fishbird was with the cat and all, and all he did was sit on his little spinny chair the whole time telling him to do it.

Like, dude, what get up and do something? I actually thought the spinny chair. It was pretty cool. Made him look a little weak. It was sort of, yeah, it was like thin. And he was like barely, and it almost looked like he's in a wheelchair. And it's swaying around everywhere. And reminded me of, it reminded me of Dr. Evil where the chair just kind of, just can't get the freaking chair.

I mean, with like Sean, Sean, he'll put Smitty like any of the movies that you have spaceships, like do they just like improv, like what they touch? All right, drive shaft this way. And then you like touching buttons and like, okay, just touch whatever, improv that, whatever. I did, I didn't think fishbird is the captain. He's as character is okay, but he's kind of wasted in the movie a little bit.

I guess we're like, in like Prometheus, Idris Elba is the captain is like, he's not in it a lot, but every scene he's in, he's just such a badass. Like he is the captain. Yeah, yeah. Well, so then, you know, we introduced a weird, then they go into Stasis for, it's only like 50 some days. I wonder why they had to go into Stasis for this. Oh, because it was because of the G's, there's like 30 G forces released during, because we're gonna melt your skeleton.

Yeah, but I mean, it'd be 30 G's in Stasis. Yeah, all right. Yeah, but they're like in, in the movie, never mind, I fucked this movie. They talked about it. He said, he says something about, if you're not in liquid, your brain will turn to mush. Or something like that. Or you're in. If I put you in a giant liquid vial, and then the science checks out Rob, and then let you get hit in a head on collision with a semi, or something 30 G's, I guarantee you're gonna feel 30 G's.

Isn't this sort of like what they do in the abyss, where they have to like breathe in the liquid, keep their lungs from collapsing? No, that's, we're not gonna get into the abyss. Oh, man. We got to cover that. They put in the lungs with liquid oxygen, so they, so they wouldn't have, you know what? Ha. Now, and Harris almost died like twice filming that. Yeah, no shit. Anyway, I was at Harris. I'd be pretty upset about that. You want me to wipe that? You still have to.

Well, the actors personalized their own bunks. They decided how the characters would decorate their bunks and stations. That was probably such a fun day. Yeah. Dude. Oh, they decorated a bunk. Yeah. And originally, wears wife Holly, her eyes were just gonna be white, but they wanted a different look. So made it look as though her eyes sockets were showing instead. I wish we would have got more into that. That's so cool. That's so cool. Yeah. I don't like her. You don't like her.

No. So she was dead. She, she, she, like at the beginning of the movie, he's looking at pictures of her. She's already dead, right? She would commit suicide. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I mean, why? This dude is like this genius science. Well, I don't know. Working his ass off to pay for the house that she's in. And then she just doesn't feel loved. And then she just leaves a giant mess for him to find. Her eyes kind of looked like yours in the last Sunday. And he pecked out. Oh, yeah. Very true.

Very true. Yeah. So anyways, they come upon the event horizon outside of Neptune's. Orbits, there's Anderson insisted that there be clouds around Neptune. Love the idea of seeing a spaceship fly through the clouds. Yeah. So it was all CGI that was done. It's going to turn into happens. Yeah. Almost how can there be clouds outside of the atmosphere? Well, it's, it's it, it's said they were in a decaying orbit.

And so I think they all even said something about it being in the ionosphere of Neptune while they were pulling up to it. To the lightest view of the ionosphere. The ionosphere. Higher than the atmosphere. I don't know. What those facts are. Okay. I mean, maybe this movie, I've the, you know, we are put, we're getting some bottles now. The science is not holding up. The writer was like, just so they, if they're in the ionosphere and it's cloudy. Well, they almost hit the ship.

Yeah, but they almost, they almost did, the clouds almost didn't happen because Anderson's note about it didn't get communicated. So they had to do it last minute and convinced Paramount to have just look in there. I'd have those clouds. Sometimes you gotta convince people that you slip it in. They do. You know, even wanted. Yes. Even wanted. No, no, no, you wanted to be wanted to be really clear. You want to go out for the clouds. What are we talking about? Cloud. What I want to do.

You want to open clouds. If it's okay, you slip it in the last minute. Yeah. If, if you get paid with Paramount and you can slip the clouds into the movie. Okay, but, but you say you can't just do it even if they're not okay with it. Forced. No, if they're not, they don't want clouds, you can't, you gotta keep the clouds to yourself. But I mean, that's only if they say no. I mean, so Paramount. Yeah, I'm not going to. I've been telling you that Paramount's not conscious in this scenario.

Rob, did they say no like firmly or was it like, no? Was it like, exactly? No, no, no, they have to say yes. They have to say yes to the clouds. Well, but what if the nose was like a, was like a coin, no? Yeah, what if it's like, no, no. Oh, yeah. No. Kind of thing. Yeah, you know, it's all about the tone. Yeah, just one cloud, baby. Just one. So they built a set for Lewis and Eric. They did. They did. They did. That was right.

Well, so now we're up to the point where we have what's his name went into the dark and came out again. What is his name? What is his name? Maybe, baby, baby, baby. That's right, baby, baby. Baby bear. Baby bear. When the sun was going on with baby bear. And then came back out. Anyways, yeah, the set for Lewis and Clark was built on a stage with a large tank, but the tank was empty and that allowed them to get in there and shoot from below.

So they were able to force themselves into the back end and get below to shoot from below. That's where you want to be. They've been. Anyway, so going back to the Venerysen, they built a small chunk of that long visual corridor that we see that they walk back and forth between. Then they brought in huge mirrors to reflect the set. And it was this very cheap illusion that made it look like it went on forever. So that's, you know, you say it's going to be there. Speaking of the set, isn't it?

They go in there and it's extremely like cold. Like there's ice floating around and stuff and. It's freezing in there, but then you see you see the water bottle floating and there's water swishing around it. Like wouldn't that be frozen? Wouldn't the water bottle be frozen? That's true. Good. Excellent point. Plottle. What did Rob notice that one? Come on. How do you found a hole? Oh, just try to look at any of you. Firehouse sub. Oh, come on. That's like a chain. Sorry. You're good.

I didn't get any of that good to tell pepper sauce though. This episode brought to you by Firehouse subs. Firehouse sub. Yes, Firehouse sub says you don't need consent. I don't know. That's true. Let's look at back to the. You have to put your clouds wherever you want them as long as they don't say no. Right. That was my attorney said express. Oh, no, he didn't. They don't say no. No, it's okay. Well, the $6 million dollar man attraction on the studio to a ride.

A universal is what inspired Anderson and creating the bridge. It looks something like out of a fun house, which it does. You know, I was almost like, do they really need this in here? And then they said something about I didn't catch it. I almost rewound it. The explanation was something about maintaining or dissolving the magnetic field before getting to the core. I don't know why they had to have a spinning room. Yeah. So just look cool. Sam Neel explained it. I didn't quite get it.

There's like one comment about it. So for the orb slash core, they were inspired by the cube in hella razor. Oh, yeah. That does look like it. Yeah. With like the three rings going around the orb there. I would. That makes sense now. Yeah. And then also obviously all these people were wearing these suits and they were actually heavy in real life.

If they had to create stations where the actors could lean against something in order to help them handle some of the weight in between takes and scenes. That was interesting. And they had a lot of real explosions on set going off around them that made them very nervous. Geez. Yeah. So it was a very hard shoot is what Anderson says, but the cast was very, they bonded. There was a lot of camaraderie. They had a good time together.

Yeah. To get all the shots he wanted in the zero G Anderson wanted to do is much of it. As practically as possible. So ended up building some sets upside down, hung the actors upside down. And yeah, of course it was uncomfortable for the actors, but he really didn't want to. I guess I'm not sure how you would CGI. You could flip the screen and then have floaty CGI stuff, which there was plenty of that too, but he did a lot of the zero G stuff practically.

He did, I don't know this, the technique behind this at all, but he used a Vista Vision camera, which is sort of old fashioned. And this let Anderson get get much larger negatives so he could rotate the image and post production. I don't understand anything I just said, but I just, you know, case there's any film buffs out there. No, no film cameras. There you go.

There you go. Yeah. So I guess there's a way, was a way, way gory or cut of this film out there because once the movie is ready to be shown. I don't see that. I don't see. Do there are some good shots. This is this is the hot topic about this movie is the fucking unseen apparently unattainable version of this. No, it's not it's it's apparently not attainable. The film was stored poorly and damaged and cannot be viewed anymore. So what? We'll see.

We'll see, but, but the first version was shown to test audiences and paramount executives. And it wasn't quite theater ready yet. And the reaction wasn't what Anderson expected. Both test audiences and executives were taken back by the amount of gory and violent shown in the movie. Anderson actually he talks about the reaction. He's quoted as saying you can't understand the kind of shock that this movie had when it was shown to people.

People were really, really upset about it by the level of unpleasantness. There is no comment. Oh, come on. And you can imagine the kind of response to the really hardcore version that we had originally so. Dude, grow up people. Come on. Well, I heard those. It sounded like you really pushed it. I mean, they hired like it took weeks to shoot. They hired porn stars to do it because there was like a full on bloody. Yes, the blood hole, the whole the what we see of the people going crazy.

There was way more orgy stuff going on in the original cut like way more just like the kind of orgy like you want like the kind mixed with self mutilation and like weird shit like that. Like eating each other and I mean, speak for yourself. Speaking hands down, growths. Yeah, not the good stuff like the shunting.

The shunting. Yeah. Well, I think this goes back to my to my theory of when people get offended or when the MPA A steps in it may not necessarily be the gaur is the fact that it was mixed with sex. That's he was a yeah. All the stop. You know, we're not doing that. We're not doing both. We can do one. That's it. Yeah. So yeah, I guess the 30 second sequence of hell took about a week to shoot with four or five weeks of prep.

I mean, with all the the effects, you know, the what I want all appliances and things that they had to put on. So the sequence was filled with prosthetics and effects with guts and blood. Every original crew member of the event horizon had an incredible amount of detail on them during that hell sequence. And he shot it sort of like a photo shoot in the original cut. As I said, had the crew member partaking in a bloody violent orgy, but the studio made them cut that out.

There's still some hints of it in there, but there is you do get a couple like enough flashes of it to know it was fucked up and it like really draw you in, but there was way more of it. And that's probably the only thing I agree with Rob completely, by the way, and this that's the thing I would change about this movie is it almost could have gone way further. Like this is the most like like fucking clive Barker shit outside of hell, Razor.

I've ever seen and I think I would have loved to have seen a version of this movie that I couldn't watch like I couldn't stomach like I also think like there is a balance. I mean, like clive Barker found it. Yeah. Hell Razor is I think one of the greatest horror movies ever made. It's disgusting. The effects for 1986 are insane. And for his low budget as it was makes it really insane. Am I crazy if you're liking how razor two better than how razor one you are.

But I think I bought they they're called they go together so well. They're like rock two. They're not. Yeah, I mean, I'm the best two. I'm saying like hell razors like a 10 out of 10. Hell razor part two is like nine heart nine point five. They're right there. But what I mean is. Is it the hellbound heart really, really, really, really the book? He mixed all the BDSM and the sexuality with the synabytes and even clive Barker. This was his first movie. Even he knew I can't sell that.

Yeah, I can't sell it on film. I can sell it on paper. I can't sell it on film. So this movie I would have loved to have seen a lot more of it. No doubt. I would love to see a lot more Gore and seen her that the hell state would be awesome. Yeah, I have to that's where I guess I kind of like shame on them. Not shame on them because that's what they wanted to do, but shame on them thinking it would make it through Paramount. It's not going to make it.

So I wish they would have taken that kind of creativity, it's disgusting, bloody, awesomeness, and maybe not turn it into a giant orgy. Maybe just turn it into a giant massacre. You know, with some boobs. It's fine. But I think like any time a Paramount executive is sitting down and going through the punch list and sees just orgy, they're going to be, you know, well, we probably get away with not showing that. Do they see bloody, demonic, a hellscape orgy?

I don't think they ever had to see it to not to cut it. It's a wonder they let him film it. It's a wonder they let him film it at all. It's a new love. And soon enough, they, they, they, the effects people, they were totally pitching it. You can just imagine if we went to like Joe Castro and were like, look, you have five weeks of prep and a week of shooting and an unlimited budget. We want a violent blood orgy. Keep it up. I give for you in two days. We have six actors, six actresses.

They're down with anything. Oh no. Yes. Any fucking. I wouldn't have been able to watch it. Two days. I got you. You'd be like, let me see what's in the trash can. You can't, you can't. You lose. Never mind. I figured out. You can't leave these decisions or ideas to the effects crew because they're like, we're going to hire a bunch of strippers and porn stars. Okay. Yeah. Awesome. We got this. No, it's true. We had turned Joe Luzon named the demon.

We would have ended up with it would have been awesome. We were going for something realistic. He would have had fucking like demons popping out of the walls and shit. And it would have been really cool actually. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, so the gravity drive set was actually very small. They just used wide angle lenses to make it look much larger. Yeah. Yeah. That's a fun. It's a good trick. You at home. Yeah. Well, LA iPhone has the point five.

Oh. Maybe just hit point five and it backs it up to like a wide angle. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Does it do that when you're facing the camera, when you're using the one facing you though, that's, that's the main important thing. No. Yeah, because he gets to get that attain that low angle. Anyways, no, I just straight from above usually from sitting while I'm sitting on the toilet. Well, years you have to get from above to see anything through that large bush.

Yes. There's so much brush in the way that. Yep. Yeah. You have to get it full on aerial. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. Yeah. It's all over the bush. So you're here to understand your beard down there. Sorry. Yeah. It doesn't quit growing like that. Yeah. I don't know if I really noticed this, but Anderson wanted to use a lot of rotation in the film. And so the camera often moves around the actors in a circular motion, specifically like in the scene where they're discussing the hallucinations.

Anderson rotated the camera constantly and shot wide and then got closer and closer and it took a very long time to shoot. But I don't sort of like this guy like less and less the more I hear about him. I didn't notice a lot of like zoom background zoom ups, you know, with the with the bass thing and the background zooms up in and that's an old old camera trick. Getting getting flashbacks of hearing all the nerd shit from Brian of Frankenstein.

While they were hallucinating, hallucinating, I thought that we should be rotating the camera in a counterclockwise motion because of, you know, the fact that they're at Neptune in the clouds and Neptune's, you know, orbit. Fuck off. Yeah. Well, the original script feature to scene where we first meet the crew of the Lewis and Clark while they're on another rescue mission.

And this is the one that Captain Miller had to leave behind his friend, which we see flashbacks of, but they were going to start there and just sort of explain it better. And then we'd have sort of a deeper tie into that connection. But he kind of had the he kind of had the weakest little boohoo trauma at all. Because it's space exploration. How many people die a week? 100% like you know, away. You're like, you're going. It's because they cut so much of it.

Not only did they cut this scene, there was an alternate ending where instead of, instead of we're at the end, he was, I don't know, I'm getting ahead of ourselves, but instead of where he was going to fight. Coric, the guy that he let die was going to appear to him like in flames. And it was going to be a more personal ending. But the audience didn't like get it. Probably because they caught the opening, right? And so that's where they had to, you know, they just lost all of Miller.

It would have made more sense if they had the opening there for that. The, just a cool tip, but the veins and Justin's arms when he goes outside was a practical effect they used rubber veins that they blew up with a pump and then blood tubes coming from his hands as he's bleeding from the eyes, of course. That's a shot. I always remember from this movie when he's going.

Falling back and blowing the trailer, shouting out of his eyes and then, and then Fishburden comes and like, all right, open hatch. And I just remember that part. Like, oh, yeah, I'm coming to save you, baby bear. I'm going to save you. Pop up there. He's on the way. Yeah. Well, so why did he blow himself out of the air? He was like, he went insane because he got something to hell. He was seen the darkness and the way that hell is made out in this movie.

I figured he would just be violently masturbating in a corner. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I mean, instead of blowing himself out of an airlock, I'm not even out there. I was clung as I can. All these assisted managers from Hot Topic are in hell right now. They have a really good time. There's the eye. They just got Marilyn Manson and slip knot on, no, slip knot wasn't out yet, 97. Yeah, I know. Really? No. They just got Manson, just Manson on repeat.

No. I, so I guess part of the, the gore from the first cut was Adrian Biddle, the cinematographer, and Visual Effects supervisor, Richard, you're, you're a kish getting carried away with gore and violence. They would, they'd be suggesting things all the time. He could sew his eyes back up and we could do it in, in CG and, you know, the director was like, no, I'm a horror fan, but I don't even want to see that. I've put a light over here.

We can get more light into the empty holes in his eyes sockets and all this stuff. Oh, that would be cool. But blood or just go, I want to be the, that I want to shoot myself. That's not second unit material. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Did you guys like the eyes, some shut for, for we're better or, or did you like the eyes open with all like the, like, the, like, skin writing and tattoo, whatever the heck was in his face? I kind of like the eyes, so shut.

Yeah. I don't know if it's evolution because by the end he looks like a straight up demon. And blood. Yeah. He's cleaner, but with more cuts and right. They kind of, they kind of, I think the inspiration for we're now is from the mouth of madness with all the writing. That's what I, yeah, and all the tattoo marks and stuff on him because that's a famous scene of the mouth of madness with Sam Elliott is he's written the book all over him. Sam Neal, Sam Neal, sorry.

Yeah. Yeah. Not Sam Elliott, the patriot, Sam Neal, the, the middle of the cinematographer also used on purpose a lot of greens because he wanted to produce that nasty, horrible green you get from fluorescence to convey that something not very good is lurking in the ship. You get green from fluorescence, or I thought I was like just white. Man, I guess depending on what kind, you know, I don't know.

This 30% score is slowly becoming more just as one the visual supervisor really wanted Peter's bones to protrude out during the shot after she falls down that tube to her death into the room. Yeah. And actually, that is noticeable. Like you see her fever bone. That was pretty good. Yeah. Like just pop right out. That was pretty cool, actually. I thought. And then we're like, Peter's, oh no, Peter's like he got it. They actually, so this is what we mentioned this earlier.

They blew up a 25 foot model of the Lewis and Clark. A lot of the shots during the explosion were practical. So we were talking about how they were always tight in on them on the Lewis and Clark. But there was the one wide shot of it blowing up and then he was standing there on it, you know? Oh yeah. That was cool. That was pretty cool. Yeah. And then we were had all these, everything on his body was practical, but it was enhanced a bit in post production.

And speaking of that, Sam Neill said he was in the makeup chair for about eight hours to get his monster stuff on. Yeah. He said this really taught him about endurance. He was in a full prosthetic suit by the end of the film. Well, he was basically like naked. So they had to like get all the training. They said, they said his call time was like one in the morning in order to be ready to shoot in the morning. Because they, well, they've been in night shots. They probably just night. In night.

Well, not in a studio like that, you wouldn't think. So, maybe not yet. Yeah. That wouldn't make sense. Anderson also doesn't like the sequence of Miller and start fighting to stay on board the ship when the window gets blown out, but he feels like he could have created a much more exciting sequence, but blame's time constraints. Of course. Maybe if he wasn't so occupied with blood or G C would have blood or G's. Yeah. I had a little bit more attention to other things.

He just got down the back end though, because they, he normally had 10 weeks for editing. Instead, it got cut down to four and he had to use two weeks of extra to finish shooting. So I'm just saying that there's no way he could have thought that Paramount was going to green light of blood or G. Well, that's only one week. I'm just saying. Agreed. Agreed. And it's just one week of shooting. It's weeks and weeks of auditioning for foreign stars and strippers and then getting the cocaine.

Yeah. The cocaine is our coming. Yeah. Well, you got to make them rub oil on each other to make sure that they could do it, you know. I'm like, Mom. And then the casting couch with all the special effects. Yeah. Mom, mom, the loop guy. Yeah. Mama, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, I don't remember. I don't remember how many years ago it was that we did. That's been a while. I actually just recently went through all the episodes because I was updating the title names and iTunes with numbers, whatever.

But I, it was fun to go down the list. And some that I have these vivid memories of that seemed not that long ago or actually way longer ago than some that I like don't even remember. We've been doing the show for like 10 years. Yeah. But we're talking about this guy named Mama on the alien set who was the guy that oiled up the characters, lubed him up the alien. He was the guy and the aliens too. That's true. Like that's just like a kid. It's Nick name is Mama. And yeah.

And what was any flamboyant? He was very flamboyant. He was. Oh, Mama. Here with you. What was here? Did we make him that way? No, no, he was fine. I think you were pretty sure. I was pretty sure. I thought on the feature. I think, yeah. Maybe they're doing impressions of it. I thought. I really do. Anyways. So, yeah, the fireball. Fireball effect was a real effect on set the flamethrower.

The guy using it was knocked off his feet because the device was so powerful and part of the stage burned up on accident. That's fucking metal. That's awesome. I can just picture this guy coming in. He's like, he's probably like Russian. He's like, no, I know what I'm doing. Like I got this figured out. Yeah. The flamethrower guy. Yeah, the flamethrower guy. Exactly. He's like the specialist. He just came in for the day. Yeah. And he just puts it on. He goes to put it on full blast.

Everyone around. And he's like, hey, hey, what the fuck? I make big fire. Show good on camera. I made big fire. You trust me. I never done on some stage ever. Yeah, then he just fucking blows. I'm on the side. I want to do it outside and burn you. You know, the knobs were in Imperial. I'm used to metric. So that Soviet Russia flamethrower flamethrower.

You. The shining in the haunting or some of the biggest influences on this film for Anderson, he wanted to make a ghost story in space and wanted to make a classic film like like those. So I don't see the haunting in this only because like there's the one thing this movie does lack unlike movies like the haunting and the legend of Hell House, which I think is way better than the haunting. It's good. The thing is there's not like the aham.

There's not really like at least for me the aham moment or like the who done it moment or like the real explanation of what's happening. It's like, yeah, you know, I built the ship. I supposed to go really fast went to hell came back. You know, what are you going to do? Right. Seriously. It's kind of like what it was. And then Sam Neill's just kind of lurking around like a squirrel. He's just skittering around the ship.

Yeah. And then why he really knows what he's up to and everyone's hallucinating. I mean, I guess you get the hallucinations in like the shining like I guess the haunting you do to to to certain extent, but it's more like sounds in like the haunted. But they're supposedly not hallucinations. Yeah, they're not. They're everything's real real. Real. I felt it from the fire. Hell or something. There's also scenes that were inspired by the amdb.

Amdb. Horror like the blood flowing through the walls, for example. Yeah. But yeah, like Carmillo said, they're changing the ending of the. I'll go ahead. Come on. I mean, I was just going to see the shining influences like there's so much hurt. You know, visual. The blood coming out of the thing. Yeah. Right. You know, in the bathroom, seeing the lady in the bathroom.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if it's unique is like it actually seems to borrow a little more from like 2000 on a space on a sea like that as the famous rotating camera shot. And we don't have anything quite that that extreme, but that rotational thing you talked about earlier that Anderson went for like. Yeah. That's also very cubic. So you can see it. And in the blood first thing when the blood goes to the walls and just like the elevator and it has very. Yeah. Exactly. Like, sorry.

Yeah. I like you mentioned they changed it several times. And, and they also again, the director's cut was shot, meaning that there there are scenes that no one has seen before and Sam meals talked about it in interviews. There's plenty of scenes you shot that didn't make the movie. But they're all alone. The meals just sitting there like, yeah, that hell orgy. They were down for. Yeah. Really. So I just want me to do whatever I want.

Yeah. I mean, you know, I kind of, you know, I went in as a day player is an extra on that. An accredited role is as, you know, bald demon doggy style. That's me back there. Yep. I talked about one of the alternate endings where, where Kori confronts the burning Kori confronts Captain Miller instead of, of we're. But the other one. That one I think they made, maybe made the right call, especially if you're going to lose the beginning.

But the other alternate ending that I, I really would have liked to have seen is that instead of stark waking up at the end and seeing a vision of we're. And then, which it does the job, it's very scary. It's clear he's just like traumatized then because they all try to like wake him up. But instead of it being weird, it was going to be all the dead crew members grabbing at him. And he was confusing the rescue team that was just trying to wake him up.

So they really were all touching him and trying to try to rouse him. But he was seeing all the dead people grabbing at him. That's true. I'm sorry. That would have been awesome. That would have been really neat. Yeah. That would have been cool though. All the dead crew members or even the people who are on the event horizon coming and then she wakes up.

It just would have been an image because like a lot of these classic images of hell have like the hands reaching up to grab souls and I pull you down like you see in paintings and stuff. And even on some of the alternate posters for this movie is kind of uses that artwork. And like that would have been neat and it also would have been like. I think the trauma would have made more sense like being grabbed at and confusing it for like chaos or other people.

That just seems like, oh man, she's living with that all the time. Every time anything grabs her or touches her. Any rat. I mean, I've been quoted many times on here said that I like a happy ending. I get really upset when I don't get a happy ending even in horror movies like evil dead happy ending. Most Jason movies happy ending. I would I wish they would have just gone full down or man. Yeah. They all know.

Yeah. Well, no, I just I wish that maybe if you do that, you play with the audience at the end. And you know, a couple of people are in stasis or whatever and they wake up and when they come to, you know, whatever the attachment was is attached still to the ship and they wake up in hell. Yeah. Or in that dimension or whatever like, you know, because this isn't really a happy ending. It's not really because in my opinion, the characters that lived here, I wasn't really like, hooray.

I think this isn't a poor topic for them because I think that there's, I think all of us and most people that watch this movie have specific things that they very much want to see yet from this movie that we didn't see like, like hell or what that whole dimension looks like. I am super upset about the dimension thing because that is.

It's a real teaser in the movie and a part of me thought it had to have been intentional, but to know that they did shoot something in there knowing that it would be cut is a little disheartening. Yeah. I would have liked to have seen that dimension and it apparently they're working on a sequel television show for this, but the last I heard about it was like last year. So who knows? Yeah, I want to see like back and forth this ship going and timelines and I just want to do it.

Yeah, and that's like, I think like a good sequel is supposed to give you more of what the original does like more of the same, but then brought in the world right like theoretically of a bigger budget, you have maybe more opportunity. So this movie, I think very naturally the sequel is let's go to hell now. I would vote for a prequel. I would really like to see the prequel. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I don't care about any of them except for Sam Neal.

So it doesn't matter in Tay Diggs, but no, I was talking about like the first time event horizon goes into hell everyone just dies. Yeah, but I'd like for them to do it. I'd like for them to do the jump. They do the jump. It opens up the portal. And then I'd like for them to like dig into the folklore and then maybe they try to escape hell.

A couple of things and eventually it does take all take them all over and then we like we end on the downer that would be okay with me kind of like with the thing. The thing remake, which was the prequel, you know it's a prequel, but I still kind of enjoyed. Yeah, the the startup to it a little bit more. Yeah, I hear you and I think that that's exactly what you should do.

The sequel they go to hell and they have to escape from hell, but then like the downer ending is hell breaks into the in our dimension. And now if you do a third movie, all of like the entire galaxy has been overrun by hell. Okay, I see this is happening. Now this is turning into a doom movie surprise doom prequel. Actually, on that a lot of fans of the I don't play this game. We used to sell it on my store war hammer 40k is a very popular like like tabletop game.

And in that story, you can travel through the galaxy by going into an alternate dimension that's possessed by demons and you have to be like shielded. And so fans of that game consider this a prequel as to like the first time humanity discovers this way and so the realm. And then into the 40k lore, but I saw that pop up a lot when I looked up event horizon. I thought that was. Wow, you explain it more. You have to talk about it like this. Yeah, but Henry Cavill plays war hammer 40.

And I don't want to get beat up. So I'm going to. Yeah, I guess that's the official Star Trek voice. Okay. J K. Shout out to John Crockett. Yeah, that's right. You get the best. I just want to say I really feel bad for the actor that they got cast. He got his sad card from this production. He sat down with his family to see his acting debut as as hardcock demon number two and then got cut. Yeah, I'm just saying. I'm just. I'm just saying, it's a big thing.

It's like when they had to cut Kevin Costor out of the big chill. That's that. Exactly. Yes. Well, that's that's all we have on event horizon. Really. There we are. It's not bad. There is love it. It doesn't hit his heart. It definitely doesn't hit his hard. As when you were like 12. It's definitely good. I can't imagine people. Like actually not. I mean, we. We delve deep in rip on it. But I can't imagine somebody can sit down for an hour and a half and enjoy it. Oh, I enjoy it.

Good. Hell out of this. I loved watching it again. It's like 33% on Rotten Tomatoes. It's just hits different when you're 12 on God. Yeah, no cap. Awesome. It's a work you see. It's freaking out. Just so you guys know, next week we're going to be doing the prophecy. Chris for walking. Not next week. No. No, no, no, no. Chris for walking. That's the plan. No, no, no, no. We're doing the prophecy about the giant mutant man bear pig. What are you talking about? 77. Oh, that's what you want to do.

Yes. There is no fine disc electors edition of that. What are you talking about? I promise you there's no. I thought it was. No, I'm not doing this. Is that the prophecy? I agree. Yes. The prophecy. The original. The original prophecy is about a giant. The original prophecy is about a giant mutant grizzly bear that the deforestation of Indigenous forest. I just Google this. It doesn't even show up. I do. It's always. I will send you a link to it. And we fight in front of the audience.

Oh, Lordy. Okay. Well, we will decide which prophecy we're doing. We're doing 1979 prophecy. Well, then we will have no information on it and we'll just be sharing opinions on it. We watched the films. We are the information. And we will be sharing it. And we will have a listen to it. Okay. I don't want to watch that. Why not? You said me. I'm right. You said me. The picture is in two weeks to see which prophecy we cover. You have a joint. We sure don't. We sure don't yet. It's on Amazon.

You have to rent it. It's three dollars. Okay. Okay. That's. I just texted it back to the thread. You're telling me you don't want to watch this movie. I probably do want to watch it. I probably do want to watch it, but I do know you can man bear pig. That looks pretty bad. Inadequate when we don't have information on movies like these and and and that hurts my manhood. Well, maybe we'll get some information. We'll get some information. Yeah. That's what that roadie of paint.

That's how it looks badass. Let's uh, all right. Well, we'll just join us in a couple weeks to see what we come up with. All right. What did you watch? What did you watch? What did you watch? Um, I watched the creator a couple nights ago. It's not really horror, but it was good. It's sci-fi. Oh, it's the custom of Ulu. You're on David Washington, Haunt, music by Haunt Zimmer. Oh, yeah. I saw I saw a preview for that. Was a great creator. Ken Watson, Abby. Who I do like that.

I don't know any of these people you're saying. You will when you look him up. John David Washington is Denzel Sun. He's not the best actor, but he does a pretty good job. Yeah. Well, it's he's in tenet. Christopher Nolan's tenet. I never saw tenet. It's very confusing. I didn't have to see tenet. I saw Chris for Nolan fans being like, I don't really get it. Like, okay, stop for me. Uh, I was, I was going to watch Deliverus. Deliverus? I want to see that too. We just I just don't know.

I'm blue. Yeah. Yeah, I just thought I didn't watch it though, but that's what I'm going to watch. That's what I'm going to watch. Uh, otherwise I'm going to watch this. That's what good. It's easy with the kids. If anyone else wants to jump in, go ahead. If you watch anything good, I watch that. Oh, no, no, no, you. Okay. I watch China, uh, China town on, uh, on the plane with, it's not horror, but it's Jack Nicholson. Oh, yeah. I've watched small Jack Nicholson movies I've never seen.

And uh, that was him with, uh, Faye Dunnoway and Jack Nicholson. And um, he's like a private investigator in it, uh, uh, old time cop. But he's he does good. I see some, some Jack Torrance, uh, lines that are, that are like delivered and stuff. But uh, there's some twists and turns. It's, you know, that's a good 1970s, 1976 Nicholson movie. So, uh, yeah, that's looking up. Rob, you are, you lucked out.

There is a shout factory prophecy on Amazon 4K with special teacher that I watched, uh, source code with Jake Jellin Hall to bring a full circle. Oh, yeah. I see that. No, never seen it. What's source code? So, uh, it's about a, a soldier who is put inside a, a kind of assimilation where he's reliving this terrorist attack on a train over and over again and trying to figure out where the bomb is and who's responsible. But then it turns out that there's more to the story.

It's not, maybe it's not quite a simulation and there's more to it than that. It's, it's a great like thriller. It's 24 with a existential sci-fi twist. So, like, not familiar with the Jellin Hall movie. It's a 2011 Jellin Hall. It's a whole different Jellin Hall. And he does not have a man, but a night crawler. I'm looking at pictures right now. He has slipped back. He certainly does. And the one scene where he goes into the pawn shop trying to sell the bicycle.

He stole, he ties his hair up into a man pod. Oh, God. Okay. Anyway, it's not in Bill Max, but they're taking it off like any day now. So, if you haven't, if you get a chance, go on HBO Max and watch it. It's, it's a great thriller like cool action movie. But also like, if you want to think a little bit, it gives you something to chew on too. Sweet. Yeah. I remember watching it a long time ago. It's just been a while. Yeah, tons of work. Wow. Yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah, credit to my, my wife recommended it. And when we saw it that it was leaving HBO, we're like, let's just jump on it. Do it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cool. All right. I'm watching the crown then Danny Mead. I haven't watched all the crowns. All the crowns are so good. I've been watching Liz and I, but no, no. I'm not finished with her season cast fan wants to listen to us talk about how we're watching the crown. Yeah. It's good. It's a good crown. It was fucking fantastic.

Um, I, well, to go back to Joe and Hall, Joe and Hall did a remake. I didn't know it was a, I saw you got super jacked for a movie. Um, and it's the remake of Roadhouse, which I saw that you sure about, um, but the director came out and I think maybe Joe and Hall was behind it, but they shot the movie for MGM. Amazon bought MGM promised both of them. And I'm sure some producers that, um, it would be a theatrical release if it tested well. It tested really well.

Amazon reneged and said, nope, it's going to be a prime release movie. So the director and Jill and Hall and other producers are asking for a boycott of the movie, which really, really, because they promised them at the theatrical release, which I'm sure it going on prime basically took any residuals from a movie that tested really well and let them on fire. So I don't know. Um, if Jill and Hall asked me to do something, I'm going to do it. Uh, but the little teaser trailer looked good.

He's huge. He is always checking. Oh, he's checking. He looks like he's put on 40 pounds. He's a monster in this movie. Um, if you remember, he's probably like, five, nine, nine. Yeah, he's not big, but I mean, like, if you see him in like, night crawler and I'd say in prisoners, he was, he was built. He, yeah, at least he was toned up. And then you look at the pictures from frigging roadhouse. It's like Edward Norton in American history acts like road. It looks like at least 30 pounds.

He looks huge in this movie. The trailer looks pretty decent. It does. I'm interested to see it. Uh, I just don't know how I'm going to do that and not upset, uh, Jill and all he will show up at your front door. I mean, like, I don't, I don't want me in him first meeting that way over something like this. I would want it, you know, over something else. Yeah, maybe over a nice charcuterie board. Yeah, like a nice, you know, nice cheese board. Maybe at the waterfront have a couple of my ties.

Yeah. We got Anna Maria. I would go on. I say, good. A good reward with the, well, it's all of us. We got to order two boards plus the fish spread. Oh, and then that'll be enough. And we'll get Connor and Arugula salad. Yeah, that burns. Yeah. Lots of highlight. Uh, no, I will. Well, Danny knows I watched Time Cop, which was, yep, still holds up 10 out of 10 fantastic maybe. And then Time Cop turned into universal soldier, which still classic. I'm so good. Oh, good. Oh, good.

Learthrower, instead of cold classic action as a Patreon bonus, that called classic JCVD just be JCVD. There's a bonus. You have those movies still really hold up. Universal soldier holds up really well. Time and time holds up really well. Hard target. The first John Wu movie shot in America holds up incredibly well. Well, I just screwed my hair out because I thought you'd like me more if I looked like Van Dam and hard target. No, you're close. He had a phone, mullet.

So you're going to have to cut the top. I had to cut the top. Yeah, more. You got a Jerry. It's all curly. Remember it's all wet. That's right. The mullet always wet all the time. It's just not a flex. Yep. And we're going to, I watched the, I watched the X-ray. All of those movies and those were actually hair extensions. Oh, OK. So the haircut that he never grew up. And the haircut, he usually rocks like in nowhere to run in a kickboxer and blood sport like the part to the left or whatever.

That's his hair. And all the long hair movies he's done have all been extensions extensions. Wow. Well, all right. Little Van Dam trivia, that'll be on the podcast. OK. I don't think I watched anything. There hasn't really been any new I mean I put those movies at y'all I watched

Haven't seen any new stuff. I watched a sleeper with Justin long called house of darkness Justin long and I got to pull it up so I can look up the girls name because she's recognizable He's in that new goose bumps series I know Justin long and Kate Bosworth. Oh It was I I don't you don't need to rush out and watch it the the acting is great but it's a three people in two seems like the setting is one house, but it's only like two rooms and it's very slow and

Eventually ends it's it's unique. It's very unique and the acting's good, but it's not gonna like you know It's not gonna be amazing or anything. It was pretty good though. It's nice. Well, I do like Justin long I think everything he does He's great. Yeah, so anyways. Yeah, um, did I say that I watched the Follow the house of usher

It's fantastic if I haven't mentioned it. I may have it is a I mean that you will watch I think it's seven episodes I mean do it on the weekend because you You can't stop the overall story is to get out of that Indiana The overall story is the house of usher Edgar Allen Poe, but all the individual episodes are Individual Poe stories, so you'll have the hell you'll have the The Raven and the hellbound harder whatever you'll have all the individual stories in there

It's just really well done and the story is super interesting. It's spooky But the acting again Mike Flanagan. Yeah, it's just it's awesome I did watch the first episode of a creep show finally I figured it I'm watching some of creep shows So I get to one with Tobin Balange on Carlos busy It's two episodes on one you know, so it was that I was like tales of the crib like old school

You were talking about that too Rob. I will I mean, that's like I've kind of burned all of those up is why I kind of found other things but Show is fantastic. Yeah, you should watch it all but just skip straight to the season three premiere That's what you that's what you said the evil that related one but Yeah, the second Installments was like the dollhouse one with the dollhouse people There's like a head that was scary. Yeah, that was scary. So

He knows he knows he heard my voice. He heard me. He knows that Danny's on the he knows that Danny's on the phone He's looking at somebody to boof at these All right guys. Well, I think that concludes we don't want to drag it out too much longer. Thanks for joining us We'll be back in a couple weeks with another episode so 19th 96 prophecy. I think that's what it's gonna be now that I found it's gonna be it's gonna be our quitting the show

It's not this movie or I'm quitting the show called profits. It's not called the prophecy. It's called prophecy Rob always gets his movie It doesn't matter You know, it does matter the party is a very successful Stephen King Just for a while Doing over you know, you know, you say the prophecy to a horror fan They're immediately thinking of Christopher Watkins the prophecy. That's not true. Obviously That's his prophecy with a man bear

How could you even say let's do prophecy? Let's do the prophecy and expect us to know that it's some fucking 1979 movie I would expect the host and founders of the Car of the bird. I never heard of it. No, there was a cult classic horror movie called prophecy about a giant mutant bear This could have been a business land rights. It could have been cleared up in the beginning if you said let's do prophecy Then I would have said you mean I prophecy is in the back. I mean prophecy from

1997. I saw that picture. I thought they're just like a random picture though someone please end this episode All right, guys. Yeah, yes. We'll see you next week or two later for the prophecy later Don't you blame the movies movies don't create psychos movies make psychos more creative Oh There will be blood