Okay, here we are at the crown of commands and we've got can't Fury from Australia, gummit? Hey, guy mod, not too bad. Thanks for waking me up. That's all right. What I can do for you. I look like Boris Johnson, my hair the way it is, like, it's not okay, it's not video. The video is not on. So I'll look it's podcast life. You can look like whatever you want. I do. I'm not even wearing pants. We don't sell me that my buddy L. Don't go too far. Geez, okay, take it easy there.
I didn't I didn't. I was so excitable for you. Can't say, thank you very much. I'll take that as a copyright. We're talking Spaceballs sister lets off my moment, that's it. Well, they're all very barbaric in nature so taking the pants off. Does seem appropriate for this style of pod, cast mates, that's good and the theme. So this theme of, that's why I asked you on, will you?
You know, I asked you originally to come on to talk about it because I know you're a die-hard space Wolf player from back in the day and nowadays as well. But You told me you lost your codex, mate. What's happened? My treasured codec. So I've had this codec since it started. So it was first released I bought the Codex of my hard-earned cash and because I wanted to protect it and make it, you know awesome.
I covered it in the old school clear contact from the the school textbooks that we used to do so had clear contact on it and I think somewhere along the line it's gotten put into a box or Someone's taken up by accident because it's going missing. I have every other book known to man except for my treasured codex. So before this podcast, I spent about three hours rummaging
through all my crap. And as you know, I've got a lot of crap and of could not find it, I found everything else and things I didn't even know I had, but I could not find my Kodak. So I had to get onto the net and do some serious searching and found myself a PDF which was think God today. Jenny, we didn't have back in the days when this is released. That's true. That's true. Mate, question for you question for you. They can't. Did you manage to find all that?
Rummaging, the Arcane magic box set? Yeah, I did ma'am. You want too much from me. You won't weigh so much from your many go through and do it in a box is really precious to watch. All right, I'm not going to go through it but you're glad you found the Holy Grail. Thank you. Thank God for that. It I was going to worry. I want to how long it was going to take what? It's like you want me to go through a check it and make sure it's all there but I do know what it goes through.
Make sure it's all there. That's just too much effort, man. I just Chuck him in a box and send it to you can deal with it. Well, I'm very grateful that, thanks, mate. I definitely owe you a beer for that, that's for sure. Yeah. That's all right. Case, a couple of colors.
I'm at a stage in my, in my hoarding of collection of ridiculous amount of Miniatures that if someone's got a good passion project or they're doing something that I've been um, is worthy and I have it and I haven't touched it for God knows how many years. It's theirs because the wonderful wheel of karma will spin around back to me one day when I'm looking for something. So yeah, that's how I look at it and I can't see myself using an Arcane magic box since it's been
sitting there since I put away. Or was it forth it Warhammer? Yeah, yeah, that's yours, man. It's all yours. Thanks. Matthew. You can, you can double-check it. You can Work it out, I couldn't be bothered. Okay, well I've been tracking that bloody thing down for so long it's not funny and I just cannot get my hands on it.
So if you can do me the honors of you know taking care and and you know as you as you like you know passing on to the next person then I'll gratefully look after it for you mate. No problem. You make content man. People want to see this stuff? Yeah apparently yeah yeah so That's wonderful. Wonderful, wonderful to do and here and to get to people as you as you can tell, I just woken up. I'm sort of just getting to my coffee now, so it will take a while before the Cog starter and
yeah. Things start happening with me mentally. So I will tell you a saga or saga into it and you can just sort of get yourself ramp for it. All right. So you got to think the year was that 1993 1994? Young Kent Fury was just starting to his wonderful world of a hobby. I found myself a crew of guys to play with their. On the other side of Sydney, it took me a bus and two trains to get there from the northern beaches to wonderful part of the world.
I kind of remember what it was called now. And these guys had an amazing sand table. Would you believe it was like, it was to six by four tables but joined together in an L shape and they dug that made, All paths to it, and it was actually full of saying. So because it was saying, you could actually build any terrain you wanted on, it was pretty amazing. Anyway, through this process, we played a lot of Rogue Trader. And then, as the new books came through, we started, you know,
adding to that. And then eventually a space Wolf kind of Army list came through. And that's when I really started enjoying my space walls. Now, I originally chose to play Space walls back from the rvt 01 box set because I got that and the road trailer. Book together. And while I was trying to work out how to paint my space walls, so sorry, my Space Marines. I was looking on the back of it trying to work out, what was the easiest thing to paint
comparative? To my skill level, and in the box that you got a set of transfers and on the back of the box on the sides of the box and inside the road traitor book, you could actually find, you know, the color guides and gray seem to be a really easy Call it a pain. That's literally how I satisfying spaced holes.
It was just the fact that was great and I could put a sticker on it and it'd be easy to do. Now, having said that being a young man, I was atrocious at keeping together and making it a sound project. I could never actually finish a project to save my life so they never really ever got finished and they got there was a hodgepodge but during this time a space with codex which will lease. And in that codex the Space Wolves.
Really started generating and becoming a bit of its own piece of work and that's when they release things like the space Wolf metal box set so you had the Terminators yeah, the blog cause the gray hunters and eventually you had the special characters and I remember going into a tournament, my very first tournament of the age of about why would have been about 15? Maybe 16, at a Bookshop inside of Sydney, it's called Galaxy books or something. I actually got into the finals.
My had no idea what I was doing. I just happen to have a rogue space, Wolf Terminator walking around the battlefield with an assault Cannon, taking out everything really easy. And I thought, you know what? For decays, a really easy game if you got good mix, so that was that was exciting and good for me. And then eventually, I ended up working for Games Workshop and the space with codex actual came out with 2nd Ed Edition and that's when it really started getting into. To it.
And I played a lot of 40 case s have with a good friend of mine. Stevie and he played Elder, I played Space Wolves and it was on like Donkey Kong every weekend in our shed would play for 56 hours at a time. We would argue over rules because the fact was he read rules, I didn't I just liked the theme and the semantics of it. He actually read the rules. So, I trusted him and I found out later in life that he pretty much cheated solidly for about three years before.
I actually worked out. Actually, To read the rules. So that's, you know, That's my introduction. In this place rules. It wasn't until the Codex came out, that you really got a good flavor for them. Because before, then it was only what was in Road Trader and it's very mild and going back through and actually having a chat, 2nd Chambers. And from what I've heard from other Games, Workshop sources, the Space Wolves were just a
throwaway line. You know, they were trying to come up with names and that just sort of stuck and that became something wasn't until the actual codex is came out there actually. Got some flavor and some fluff. Also it was was it more of like the Viking theme that attracted you to the Space? Wolves originally know, the fact I'll gray. I need you to paint right now. This is the question that maybe that's a good. That's a good topic actually for discussion.
How did you paint your space walls? What what what's your method for doing original are they've changed. Like, if you have a look at my collection, I have about four different for different styles of painting and I'm never going back through and repainted it. I feel that it's not it's not worthy. You need to sort of it's my first Army. So to go back through and repaint. It be one of those guys. I just couldn't do it.
The only ones I did go back through and repaint where my original RBT ones because I never really together in the first place. So I now have 20 tactical Marines and the heavy weapons Squad in the original Barbie and they pale painted. I painted them only recently. So probably the last sort of four years and I just went straight with a black, undercoat with a codex gray, with the
highlights, like, for the dodgy. I'm not dodgy, but just a standard highlights and it wasn't until I did a painting competition with Sparky and Mick, fair that I changed up my armor and went, for more of a darker style armor where you got that nice Blended fade of the dark black through two gray and that was just through multiple layers and things like that. So yeah, there's a bit of everything in my Army. It's It's a hodgepodge, but I like it.
It's mine because you're looking at the plot. The studio paint paint, jobs off the Space Wolves there. There looks like to be like three different colors of great, three different gradients of gray. They've got like a really light, very whitish, kind of like gray on some of the models and some are more of a darker blue gray. What's your preference make? Do you like them sort of white
and bright? Also the more dark blue e or more So if you're pure, if your purest, the second edition blue-gray was where it's at, and I've got those as well, my great hunters and my blog and I'm a ground, isn't some of my Terminators were painted that way and that's a really bright beautiful. You know, it's what we remember. Mick fares got a beautiful space Wolf Army. That is all painted like that all to hi Chris quality of the
of the white dwarf mines. Bit dirty and grimy are because that's the way my style is anyway. If so yeah. I like it. I like all of it. I actually asked Andy Chambers in the interview was when did space was go from Gray to Blue and he didn't have an answer. He says, it's just my Sabina Studio thing that they just wanted to differentiate it or sell different color paint. So and then when you're, when I read a lot of law for Space Wolves, they don't really care.
They don't have a set way of doing anything. So, having a bit of Of a bit of a mismatch in your army. I think is more true Testament to the space will see if you ask me. Well, I've even got some space. Was that it got different panels on their space or farmer. That are different colors, different. All right. Okay, fair enough? Yeah, sure. Okay. And I think nowadays, like the modern style is kind of like very, it's almost a totally different color, isn't it?
It's not like the new Gray's, it's more like, just just great. It's Just It Go more to that back to that original, right? But with a tinge of blue in it. Yeah. Okay. Now, talk to Andy now interview about a month or so ago. You must have left them an impression on him because he remembers you.
Yeah yeah. Well I used to have that podcast, funny old podcast, pod Hammer back in the day where I and I did get a chance to have one of the interview with Andy on the other hand was able to find it anymore but yeah we had a good time. And I kept referring to him as Sir Chambers because also honored to meet the guy who was the original wolf. And, you know, one of the, one of the most outstanding parts of the second edition codex is the actual battle Rapport between him and Jervis.
Yeah, yep. And it is fantastic. And like that was, you know, as a teenage boy, the Pinnacle of the space Wolf, and what you wanted to collect was that perfect wolf looking. Tommy in in actual playing style, that arm is terrible. But the, the image of that Army is just awesome and they actually release that as a box set. As I remember, three hundred dollar box set. I've got all the squads in it. Well, I hope it's not too terrible makers.
I actually collected my space Wolf Army exactly like that battle report. So yeah, it's Affairs. Well, the biggest problem you have with in the second edition is it's just not mobile enough. Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, there's no transports is nothing in it. Yeah. But for Space Marines that's probably one of the the the best ways to get into second division 40K is because they're so costly and points that you don't need that many models do. No.
Well, you know, there's different ways you can play second edition as we know. So and if that's another whole story in itself on how to actually play second edition, right? Yeah. Fluffy bunnies, like what you play, you play, pretty much fluff, bunny sort of stuff, yeah. Whatever you can find and you try and keep it real to the original sort of theme and feel of the of the white dwarfs
battle reports. And they tend to be really fun and enjoyable games because, you know, gaming anything out. Then you've got the other side of the spectrum and you got two thousand Point hardcore style where you can just jam up with, as many walkie cards and you cheer optimizing and you're doing all your bits and pieces and you're going for it. And The other side of the bell curve, you got my D bad style
which is really scaling. It back to Raw, infantry tactics and trying to, you know, do what you got to do and it's still been fluff bunny. Uh but yeah that's how you know you can. You can do it any way you like it's an old system. So there's no right and wrong way of doing it. It's just what you feel is the way to go about it. Well, actually went back and listened to our to conversations. We had way way way back I think was a couple of years ago or at
least a year and a half ago. We had about the D, bad thing, G mate. Those podcasts are rough. I'll tell you what the content was just like the recording process that I had back then and we'll that talking over each other and all that kind of thing. So thankfully things have improved since then it happens, it happens that now they're interesting.
Just because yeah, the d-pad system, something that you use to play your regular games and tournament style games, have people wanted to check that out, maybe I'll drop a link into for that particular episode, so people who want to who are interested in the D bad system, don't be a dick then they can go and check it out and try it. Try it out for themselves. Yeah it's good for it's good for people who played a lot of second head and looking for something.
That's Not as broken, you know, you don't you don't realize how broken second. It is until you really push it out, so make sense. So when you really start stretching out armies and you really start coming up with some super silly combos, you find how much were hero hammer. It really is and how some armies just dominate so much more than
others. So it's not until you get to that point and then you know, you've done your setup and you You've gone through and you've done your four hours worth of planning and you do everything and you set your game up and then it's all over in the first turn or you've got no hope after the first turn that you realize. Okay, this is there a better way of playing this game and that's where d-bag came into it.
Yeah, well I want to suggest the d-pad system to for the guys at the bringing battle war game channel on YouTube. Yeah, those guys do the Richard and Jason do it really cool. Second edition videos and they do that sort of, at least, once a month or two times and twice a month, maybe they bring out a new video, so I'm I get him to try it out mate and see what they think. Now, look to be honest, I am probably the most Most laziest man in the world.
And so when the bad came about I wrote it out and it actually requires because I couldn't be bothered writing out every single, my new details, just not who I am including you know breaking down every Army breaking down every Mission breaking down every wall, GE card all this sort of stuff but some people just kind of expect these days with the internet because you know it's the internet and that gives you everything the essence of Actually required a over C or a
tournament, organizer who really knew their shit and could take one look at the list and go. No, that's good. That's bad, change, this change that. So it does help if you have that by the general rule of the bat is, if you're trying to maximize something and you know that you're being dodgy, you're being a dick, give yourself an uppercut started. The infamous case of someone submitted a list. It was a tyranny list. Yeah. It's a lot of questions, you know, under D bad. You can't have it.
He rose above, you're basically taking Hero level but under tyranny as you have Hive tyrants. Yeah. So you know and yet we allowed Hive tyrants but you know those are the restrictions around that that was all cool but then he managed to make his entire list structured. So So, so when you make victory points and second edition, it's on Squad numbers and the amount of points that you have in the squad, he made it all these, all his units, below the victory Point tap.
So you have to kill everything in our me, and you weren't getting any victory points. That's being a dick. Did you speak to him? Make him and run the District of make him and running and get them to run through the streets of Newcastle saying, shame shame. Shame on you throwing? Well, I'm not going to name names who it was, but he knows who he is and they are in his defense, he would think that that's perfectly fine, but it's not because it's not in the spirit of the day.
So the spirit of the game is you just yeah just take you units. As is man, don't try and gain the system. Just you know if you got a unit attend you take a unit Attend. You know what I mean? You don't you know to scale that down to try and game the little, you know, the ill-thought-out mission sets that they've created in the first place they weren't there to be to be anyway.
Oh, I'll relent on my Ranch. But yes, just don't be a dickhead and you'd be fine and everyone will enjoy themselves. I've run a run for of these tournaments and they've all been played in the right spirit and everyone's had a blast.
So it does work and it is a lot of fun and it's probably as as Said, like the guys who can create its second edition and the reason why second went to Third Edition is because people wanted to use more Miniatures. And the more Miniatures you use, S head starts to break down because the combat to get really complicated targeting systems, get complicated, everything just gets over the top, the one by the more Miniatures you use. So that's why third edition happened.
So second edition is in its prime when you're not using as many models. For me, is the way I like it. I like it. Well, that's it. Yeah, small model because it's game. It's a really good strategic game at a small model count. Yep. And when you sort of take out the bloatware special characters, it's a fun game. And if you want a special character off, go for it. Like, just literally line them up against each other and just charge at each other. That's a better YouTube channel
in itself. That's it, pal, that's a round robin of round, robin or special. Has do what we do in the shops all time for shits and giggles. Yeah, well I started doing that yesterday on this chord. With with my guy, my main man Matthias but this is one of my fantasy though. Like just doing like a hero's a sort of series. We just take two heroes from the Weimar World. I'll behead like death Master snitch versus got trekking Felix. Yeah, yeah. It was great.
It was really good fun. As really just nice to have just a real thematic fluffy kind of game. Yeah. Well these two superheroes running around with the only As you go atoms in the game just you know just hacking things and destroying things but sadly that wasn't broadcast yesterday. It was going to be a live game that people can come and watch and I'd advertise it and all that kind of thing. But for some reason it just didn't didn't share and stream to the world.
So that was really sad. Technical difficulties made they are ruined really good times. Yeah, but we'll have to do something with the 40K thing as well. Have like a hero system for the 40K, you know, in terms of playing games with You know these gigantic Heroes on the table top. Well, I've got it what? I've worked it out, it's just going to be a round-robin. Sure, the fans submit their most over-the-top characters that they've got. It can be a special character.
Whatever character already know who's going to win by a landslide. Because I've done this before, but I'll be interested to see if anyone else worked it out. So I won't tell you who's going to win and we do it round robin. We take say 8 or 16 characters and we just roll through, all right, and both feet and whoever wins goes to the next round. We just keep going. Okay? Right, so it's kind of like a league and who reach the sentiment? Yeah. Knockout. Let's go. Okay. I'll Library.
Like, everyone submits everyone submits their hero. No points limits. You just go nuts. Get all you get all your cheesiest combinations out there. There's going to be some sick-looking Hive tyrants. There's going to be some disgusting-looking, chaos things and it's going to be awesome and we're just going to go through it.
Okay, let's see if you send it, if you send in your character, I'd rather if you send the new character with a picture of the miniature that you've got for that character, right. But this is, these are like the preset character. The name characters you're talking about all these can do either that okay, gotcha. So, either you can either do a special cause like some of the Phoenix floors are just
disgusting, right, okay? So, with the, the person who one, which will not be named like the character that one was at a preset character or denied. Okay, so on made it. Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah, okay, yeah. And then you also got in there. You also been there assassins so you can use the Assassins. Yep. The character, whatever character is two characters in particular and the HRW got with this, is this psychic part of it because is it purely combat,
ordeal our psychics as well. So in this sort of scenario will say no psychics. So there you go, guys know, psychics only combat only Oh, okay, if you use a psych are you can use his level to add to the strength of the weapon if he's got a force weapon, right? That's right. You can. Yeah, but you can't boost it up and force cards. So we just make that rule. It's probably about a thousand other things. I forgot. But we'll work it out. Hmm. Yeah, no.
I like the idea of it though. That sounds fun to play out. Yeah, classmates. So we're going to start with the Space Wolves here. We don't shit. Very thought of that. We have what I'd always have on hard mode so they are just normal Space Marines, but
better. Yeah. Alright. The biggest difference between the space walls and say the ultramarines or the Dark Angels with their with their land Speeders and like, anything else really is All the space will basic squads have a weapon skill up over there are over the counter Parts. The they have acute senses which means they can basically double their range for detecting hidden troops, which is actually kind of good and it's kind of useful. And that's you know, like I said
Space Marines on hard mode. Yep, the biggest difference. And I actually find this, I sometimes find this is a hinderance more than a actual Effort but great hunters can't have heavy weapons in their squads. So normally with a tactical Squad of Space Marines, you can have a heavy weapon in there and then you can split the squad off into battle groups, 125 one of five and one of them's for the heavy weapon in. It gray Hunters can't do that.
Great hunters on the other hand can all have assault weapons. Which is pretty cool. Yep. Now, with actual weapon skill of five, that's, you know, it's pretty good. It's nice. It does the job. They are the backbone of your
army if you build on that way. Other than that, I tend to run just one Squad and I time it actually not have that many hand combat weapons unless I'm using my old second edition Squad, which has you know, Five Guys hand combat weapons Five Guys with all guns because I find the bolt guns Just far more effective doing what you want to do. And if your Space Marines are getting in and combat, they're normally dead. That these are just like tactical Marines, basically just tack marine fish.
They got it. They got a straight line type of marine stat line with one up in weapon skill and they've get the additional ability to have hand combat weapons. Like that additional hand. Combat weapons does work quite nicely when you're fighting against say Orcs or lesser hand. Combat races. Yeah. But as soon as you start if someone's apex predator tearing your Tactical Squad, they normally hitting it with something pretty disgusted. Yeah, let's be honest.
And having an extra hand ink on my weapon and paying a cost for power act isn't really going to help you that much. Yeah, so I normally have them, I don't we would put them in a rhino if I can to get them bit more mobility and you know either there's a couple of really interesting builds you can do is with with great hunters. You know, sometimes I might in even in Addy bad list, I might take two squads a rhino and a landspeeder and just use them as
A whole thing objectives. They can take out stuff. Never underestimate the power of ten men throwing grenades. They can also do a lot of damage, so upgrading them to crack grenades is really nice and you can put your floor, you can put wolf guard, champions in the units if you want a bit more Firepower. So sometimes I might put a Terminator in there with just standard terminal with a storm Bolter and they can be quite effective.
Sometimes, some people might put a fun to hammer Storm Shield in there to give you a good actress. Save put him out. The front, take some extra hits. So that's your great hunter pack blood. Pours. On the other hand, they've got the weapon skill 54 the lower be yes, they don't really shoot
that much. Anyway, it'll lower leadership, they get double or tax when they charge and they have to charge which is you know, another thing that the locals get they can have jumped back smelled the bombs Photon Flash grenades which are fun against auction Imperial Guard but basically nothing against everything else. And crack ease. Over the years, I've had mixed results, plug for some people
swear by them. I tend to use them with jump packs if anything with multiple arms and try and take out tanks. That's generally what I use them for. Yeah, it's neither here nor there chucking in a wulfgar. Champion is a good point, helps you with bit more combat does cost a lot of points. So in you can spend a lot of points in Space Wolves very quickly. Lee and you can end up with a very small list. That's very elite with only a 3 plus armor.
So so you can find that your men died really quickly against other armies, but against other space brain armies. They tend to always do a little bit better than normal Space Marines. so, depending on your matchup, One of the biggest bestest squads in the space for fun but also one of those
expenses is a long thing pack. Biggest investment along Fame pack and say a normal devastated Squad is that you can only get by the Five Guys. Four of them can be equipped with any way you like, with the heavy weapons. And they go bs5 with the target are, so, they're hitting stuff all day, every day. They're also the biggest Target on the field. If that Squad last more than two turns you are laughing, the biggest Point think they just very stationary they can dish out a lot of damage.
Yeah, it's They're a good squad. Really good score big points. I don't find in a smaller game that very hard to take as a thing because I just take out too many points. If you if you're looking for that many heavy weapons, you're better off taking a predator but Dreadnought or even a land writer because you're going to spend about the same amount of points and it's going to last longer Scouts. I always take Scouts mainly because I like being up in the
field early. And they can be just a nuisance and that's pretty much all there for. It's just being a pain in the butt. You can give them some crack grenades. Cracking eggs are great because they can take out heavy models very quickly and efficiently and normally, they're on top of you.
They can take blind grenades which means you can block out sections of visibility for everyone, which is great if you want to try to speaking up some units around the side or do something, or if you just don't want something to shoot at the great for that. They can take a heavy weapon in
that unit. I don't we just take a heavy bolt are to be honest because you just want to you know, chunk down some things you want to keep that unit pretty cheap, really, you don't want too much out of it. The Holy Grail of the space Wolf Army in terms of what you can take apart from special characters is the guard. Yeah. No. Other Army can do this. They can take up the 20 wolf guards in one Squad. It's a big Power Play. It's a big, you know, stuff you moment.
It's pretty awesome. But then again you've got to deal with the fact of they fit into To a leech, I do believe so. Therefore you can only take 25% of your army has it. Not that there's regular squads mate, are they? Yeah. Because yeah in squads it's got you could take about 20 wolf guard. Yeah, and you got great again with the turn that one or two ways of that, you can even take my power armor and just go for it or and there's just a big.
If you unit legal weapon skills, six, they got the one attack but you know, it doesn't really matter because they can just have it all the weapons. Most people will kill them out into Terminator armor. They change the rule from Rogue Trader to 2nd Ed for Having special weapons in the unit. So you see how to take multiple special unit weapons in a unit? Now they can only take one for every five.
But man, they hit hard, they hit so hard and they'll pretty much the reason why most people took space walls, is he in fact, you can take so many Terminators well, the best. So cool met, the beautiful beautiful models to. Yeah, I reckon. So I've, I love my old space Wolf Terminators, you know, use a lot of them and I really
enjoyed it teleporting. Went to the field, it was always a bit of a gamble, but I always did it because there's nothing worse than trying to walk Terminators other Battlefield. Sure it's pointless. Like yeah they just it just it just takes too long. Doesn't get you anywhere. They easily picked off, the only other thing you can do in a bigger point game. Is you put the Terminators in a land writer write and use a special strategy of reserves and you bring them on the reserves. Okay.
Miami. Because if you got it on the field, if you don't get the first term they get shot off the board really quickly. Yeah you want to have him as an Or was this an impact? Now, if you've made as many space with armies, as I have in your life, the biggest downfall of all Space, Marines is the mobility. It just a very slow Army in general. You need rhinos move, you guys around you need.
I prefer instead of taking long things as I said before, I'll take a predator over long fangs any day because a predator gives you three weapon platforms. So you've got to heavy weapons in the sponsors, you got the auto cannon on top. You've got if You can swap out the auto Cannon for a double laser. I do a heap of damage, their magnet, the actually quite armored. They're quite good and they can move their much better option.
If you ask me, the hidden surprise package of All Space Marine Army's, not just Space Wolves, but all Space Marine armies is land Speeders. They are single-handedly the best model. You can possibly have the fast. They go major punch with a multi. Melter heavy flama, just takes out stuff, all day, every day, pop up attacks, they're just awesome. The more land species, you know the better.
Who could advise? Okay, I know I now have three of them to give you an idea and just they just Pound for pound the best weapon platform out there. And I think that's even in the modern game. I can never never you need speed in a game, 40K, you need to be anything with speed tends to do really well, dreadknots are always a good weapon platform and a really good option. They've tough as hell can fight in hand combat.
They've got the weapons that you require to take out of The things, you know, I've got the old Beyond model. I've got the original Rogue Trader one, and I've got a few others, they're just a really good solid base for your army. And again, unfortunately, the long fangs miss out because they're better weapon, platform of long bangs. She asked me they survive better. And that's what it's about. That's pretty much the Army in that sort of sense. There's almost really to talk
about in terms of the heroes. I suppose that, you know, The floors are wood floors. The wolf priests is a bit of different because he's got the ability to heal like a normal guy. So Yeah, I in in the day bad system I'll tend to take a wolf priest or I'll take a room priest if I'm using the magic. They're normally my laws because the room priests is better because you got the psychic power but I do love the Miniatures for the wolf priests.
I think they're awesome. I said I love the idea of them. Yeah they're more of a thing for you to do because you just love the Miniatures. I do believe room pre such as powerful. A pound awesome. As we've all Space Marine PSI, cos they're just always a really good option. I think there are must include pretty much for every list. Yeah, I can't imagine ever not using them because you get something else. Like you get another phase essentially exactly sidekick.
If you're not, if you're not, if you're not competing in that face, what are you doing? Yeah, I just got to. You got to be there Indy bad. It's really important. And, you know, some would argue that you don't use psychic candy bad. You can go that far. That's kind of the extreme, but I think Call the fun of the game and I actually love the card system for 2nd Ed 40K anyway.
Me too. Yeah I'm priest a really good just giving it heal on to your ability to heal some of your like a Dreadnought or a tank expensive but really good. I really enjoy them and they wulfgar Champions which is another unique feature of a spacewalk has been able to put a wolf go champion in two units. Again, it's a very optional thing. I like to put them. Into the gray Hunter Squad that's not in a rhino. So they've got something to give them a bit more oomph, but yeah.
That's pretty much the list. You got any questions about that? Now, it's all pretty straightforward, mate. It's it's pretty much Marines, you know what I mean? But they would suggest that added bit of flavor to them. So it's Marines of flavor, it's Marines it, you know, people always win, do Spaceballs. There's just Space. Marines are on Hiatus. I hear that a lot. Yeah, I get it, I get it. But then when they bought Angels codex, came out that's just
bloody rewrote it anyway. Like they can do things that space was just can't do so, right? And they fix the essential problem, which we've got Angels, which is Maybe So you know, for me. Yeah, it was just need to get over it. The reason being is that the space will special characters are pretty. Damn cool. Yeah, they are cool as hell. Oh, that's awesome mate. Yeah, alric the Slayer. I love him. He's not probably my must include but my God what an
awesome manager. Even the old static positioning is still pretty goddamn cool. He's just rad in character, which means he fits into D bed really well, I'll normally take him just because I want to use that miniature for something and who can deny, you know, the space Wolf helmet of Awesomeness that he has. It just is just sick model. The two major characters that you use in any sort of say 2000 Point Army if you're allowing special characters is obviously
right now. ER and stormcaller Ragnar. His biggest feature people sort of you know think that the how is good so charges good but he's best thing is actually his forepaws. I modified Dodge You can dodge anything correct. There's not the kind of get around it. He's always got it. It's always there. I think the battle how everyone gets a charge triple Awesome. Never use it.
I probably used appropriately. Yeah, it's just such a wonderful thing and if anything is just to get him into combat quicker, but he doesn't actually do much in terms of he can't take out a tank. You know what I mean? Like, he doesn't got a big Power Fist or something else to really rip through something heavy. His sword.
Really only just chops up, me too, if not elite-level troops, but when you start hitting things like dreadknight Spanx and things like that, That, and that's what really use combat for other characters. He's good at taking out other characters but not as good as other people. I love him because he's got two big banners. He looks cool and I painted up a really sick one so I use them a lot. Cool. Yeah. Some people Chuck jump backs on him. With these bull gear, 11 extra
Woogie option. I can check a jump back on it, which gives you a lot more ability to get in there, which is pretty cool. He's easy cool character storm. Call on the other hand, is almost a must include. If you are serious about winning the game, he's just got everything. You need to dominate. I love him, get in there, weapon skill 8, come on. He's got his record. He's got all the, all the, all the gear to make him. Awesome.
I don't know. And he's got such a sick, sick picture from Mark Gibbons as a these, you know, inside the Codex. What more could you want? I mean really the fiber Ravens the Cyber Raven, which who really did anything but she's it was cool. But in the d-pad system, of course, you can't. Take any of these characters can you? You can take orac because he's a human character, okay? You can take special characters right to wounds because they tend not to be that powerful. Hmm.
And orick is just a better wolf briefs so it's not a big deal and he's taking up a lot of War gear. So you know whatever because I'm the D but you only get 50 points with a walkie and I think he or he takes up a lot of it. If you take him so good on you for taking him and being fought funny. Sucked in because you don't get much else to spend 50, Lance bit as it doesn't matter. Anyone fixes everything. You got logo.
Hryvnia. If you go to school manager Forum, with the new Miniatures, you probably Chuck him in there. I probably only of using two or three times back in the day. He's just a really good option is to terminate a lord putting hand combat axe and Walker does really good. Damage, good antihero sort of guy because the Terminator. Armor go for it. Then you got a really cool little weird guys. Like you got wulfgar during Fest and the Wolf car ran off with guard.
Ran off to me was the really cool one with a strength seven. And there was that dude, back in the white dwarf, the Norwegian guy, who did that awesome conversion of him him. Cyborg him. Cyber that's it. Oh my God. Here's our me. Find it. Beautiful. And Space with armies in all history. Exactly, might that nothing is going to top.
That one considering he like use a lot of like well what do you mean green stuff or milliput back then too like bulk at all the armor it's just whether he actually wore if yeah but Bells. Yes. I think he did the he died. He did the Great Wolf Logan Griffin are as well Denis in. Yeah it's one of the characters. Yeah read it all the sculpting. He uses a freak that guy like because he could just draw. Something he'd never drawn anything before he just draw
something as brilliant. It's this beautiful, like, but he went on to be like a, an animator for Disney and that kind of thing. He's a 3D artist now. Yeah, right. Well, that man. So, but here is what I say when you when you're in this hobby, there's just guys that go to the numbers like me. And yeah, I pulled up a skill over many, many hours. Never really had a talent for. I just got a skill now because I've done it for so many times but then you get artists like,
yeah, pure artists. He's key fits into that category. You fit into that category too. By the way, I don't put mean Kim cyber. Yeah, please, please do ya like that. Do that could be a lot. You can be a lower their version of him. Thanks mate. Yeah, thanks. I'll be like a snarling. Yeah. You're a loti version of it. He's obviously at the Pinnacle Apex of it, but the Gretchen on the Gretchen undergoing, a little Gretchen carrying his little box of paint brushes and, and paints.
Yeah. Yeah, for him. So, but, yeah, now he's a freak of nature that guy. You've got people like that. Know what I mean? Like there's other guys like Sebastian Archer from Australia, really famous painter and sculptor, like he just he just does something and it's just amazing.
It's so many layer levels above anybody else's work, it's just they just freaks you can't you know that's that's that's the thing with one of my groups and it's like you think you can paint and you just post up a picture of somebody's just amazing miniature anyway. Oh my God. That's so disheartening. It's funny because like I went to see went to the gold demons years ago. And I met Sebastian Archer and he had like one of these. He did, he was a 40K miniature and he did like a that was a
footy convention. Might have been maybe because it's such a long time ago, but he did it back banner and he brought it along and we'll just sitting outside outside the Games Workshop. Something I had a look at it and I just look at anything, you know, I could never do it. I understand how he did it because it was so perfect. Like if that, right? If I Attempt to do it.
It would be to be doing it a hundred times and it still wouldn't have been anywhere near his level because you can attain Perfection and I don't know how those guys do it, but somehow they do it. I just don't know how the wrong with it. They're just born with it. There's something about those people like him that they can just produce stuff and it's just, yeah, faultless. So yeah, when I was managing Greensboro Games, Workshop.
Yeah, I just randomly came in, when Third Edition came out 40K and he goes, are you? Ma'am. You planning on. Yeah man I really need a banner for this for the shop so because we're going to games day. I need a, you know, band is on Parade. I need to actually make a banner and he goes, oh yeah, I can. Do you have a banner said oh yeah.
What's going to cost me in this is you know, back in the day when you had no powers or as a manager to my, I'll give you a, give you a box of 40K for So I gave her a box of 40K and he literally painted up. I don't know whether you've seen it. It's probably one of the white dwarf somewhere. Those are the ever seen? It are amazed by. It's actually a bloodthirster and it's a massive banner and it's actually offer thing
itself. A Mark Cuban's painting and he just copied it verbatim and it was the most amazing thing. I don't know where that Banner is these days. It was the most amazing thing you've ever seen. It was like a bloodthirst up blood Letter coming out of the office. The canvas. Oh, wow, awesome. Yeah, if you go I'll find a picture for you. Yeah. Do that anyone anyone in the in the podcast and nose or remembers that will know that when the Banners are parade came
through. And we all had to walk down a walk down with our banners. This Banner was just by far, the best thing you've ever seen. And again, there's a guy was an artist. He just knew how to do stuff. No one else had to do back to that back to the Codex. Yeah, well yeah. And major strength is inside, power is inside Terminator. Our might, you can't stop him, he's a teaser 3. One character you can't use Mandi bad, so sucked in but you know, if you ever found a way to
use him, you would. Yeah. A lot of these guys and the thing was as second are developed into a tournament system of those, a 12-play tournament, special characters, when allowed anyway, Okay as a as a general rule because they became overpowered as time progressed but you know beyond Phil handed he is dead set the best these are some pretty awesome stats on him. Yeah yeah and You know, roll a D6 at the start of the game to establish Beyond pool of dice modifiers.
If Beyond is hit and suffers damage, you may modify any result on the damage table by the expending a points. So, pretty much you roll a good number and you're basically reducing the amount of Damages guy takes. Yeah, he's got weapons school. Eight is a Dreadnought of deaf and you came with it and lightning claw, heavy firemen and assault Cannon. Awesome combination.
Absolute beast and I've been using Beyond since 2nd Edition all the way through the 9th Edition, and he's still an auto include for me, whenever I get him. I've got a great photo in, I'll probably senator of a game I played recently, where my heavy lead Beyond taking on Magnus. The red magnet school and I and all that combat, and destroyed him. And was most glorious moment ever, okay? So you playing is this, like pretty, like a, Like a, like a Horus, heresy game you're
playing? No. No. The big Magnus model when they re-released make us read with a wings and everything. Okay, I've never seen it. That's how clean it was. Basically it. That's that's, that's an epic epic space remodel man. That's a primary magnets, magnets. The Primark is influence, really? Yeah, my God. Where have you been made? I don't follow. This is a new game, ninth edition of that. Yeah, it's not. Come on, let's go. I get it. These epic Space Marine.
If you don't, you little miniature with us today with my life he's gonna speak orangutan arms and everything holding his little eyes. Yeah. Get with the times. But yeah. Oh my God but your your Pina you should know these things. Like he's like one of the most impressive models you've ever seen right. Okay. Well signed up while you while you're talking, I want to look it up and on On Google now because I've not seen it honestly does look at me another did more Terry and I wasn't
really impressed with that one. So are you wanting press home with parents? Always fun. Me about this model. Here we are. I have seen this thing. It's bloody awful. It's all bloody awful. It's terrible. Absolutely offer of that acne like that the bomber Nation. That's what that's what the old mate on. The batting broadcast. We will see. This is an Abomination. This is brilliant. There's an Abomination. What is this?
I don't know. You know, the only thing I don't like about the model that is disgusting. Now that honestly the original one that Jesus did for epic space. Rent is a classic? All right? Okay. To get over that now saying that image back to the nineties, may come on. Back to the 90s back to the 90s. Well that's a pretty much grounded out because Beyond was the last to the special characters. But I, yeah, wolf. Yeah.
We'll florrick real Grim blood. His biggest benefit was the fact he had strategy right against six, which, you know, is actually really good if you're trying to get first right. Okay. Yeah, and that's Spaceballs were Space Marines on hard mode and I really have a chosen because I wanted to paint an easy Army to paint which was great. And then I turned to blue gray and then, you know, they're kind
of lost that part of that. But everyone used to bag me out for being a Saturday. Space will player used to get that a lot and that know that terminology came from. The fact of other Space Marine, plays being salty, that they weren't as cool as us really, you know, Because we wanted to pay space Vikings and they were. Yeah. Well yeah, well it's certainly attracted me because I was never
really. I really admired the space will models because of the Viking theme to them but ya never got to actually paint one or all play the army. I always was a Dark Angels fan which is kind of the Rival chapter 2, Space Wolves in a way. So I've gone Trader. I've got. Yep. I've got I don't think I could Ever paid another Dark, Angel Marine. Again, I think I'm just going over. I'm just over green, painting green, dark green on power armor. It's got to be, it's got to be a
change. So yeah, it's one of those things. It's I find it really hard painting. Myspace was now I've got to be really in the mood to do it. Sure. Well, yeah, you know, you know, my progress and depending Spaceballs it was like one wolf guard Terminator in a Terminator armor. And I think that's it. I thought it stopped after that because yeah, painting gray is not something that gives me a lot of pleasure. I've got to be honest. So yeah.
It's going to take a lot, a lot of determination, a lot of willpower to give me through painting an entire Army in Gray. That's why I sort of change up my gray lot in my space with farming tool, just to give myself the ability to not go insane. Yeah, it would it would drive me nuts. I do I need to take a break up. That's why do you let a rotation with the Hobby and that kind of thing. Like, there are some new only so many High Elves I can paint and then I have to switch it out
before to do something else. And just give me some bit of a refresher. So yeah. But luckily, like we said space walls, very small number. You know, I'm going to do like, 1,000 1,500 points at most at the absolute maximum. So then you just add a few terminated your Anyway, exactly. Like his there's no way. Yeah it's so easy to clock him up is probably worth about six or seven thousand points about stack. She doesn't have that many marines in it. Wow. Okay.
I think. What's once I get like a land writer and a landspeeder? I've got Beyond already. Yeah. So get if you come all vehicles like a rhino and that kind of thing. Well then you're sort of already pumping up the points. Yeah already. So yeah cool. Did we cover the wolf Lord? Is it kid'll? Grim blood? Yeah. Yeah, strategy rating six right. Okay gotcha this is the whole make name is a red thing just took me it took me out of here. Yeah. Yes it did.
But the one thing about this this codex is it was the first codex. It came out and the amount of time and loved went into this. Codex is just unbelievable. It's just they did such a good job with the writing of it. The stories are awesome. It inspired me. Immensely on engage Workshop is pretty much my indoctrination manual in the Games Workshop, and my Miata ever want to work against workshop for the rest of my life type of scenario.
Well, it was, it was that influential on me like Rogue Trader was great, but this was just like an, a combination of. This is how you produce a product. It was fantastic, as you know, is Cutting Edge for its time as well. Yeah, absolutely. It's strangely enough. The book is not actually a credited to an actual writer, so yeah. I'm not sure if Rick Priestly wrote this, with in collaboration, with, with the other guys like Chambers.
And yeah and Jervis Johnson, maybe I'm not sure, but yeah, but Bill King did all the backstories for the, for the Codex. Especially most of the army books of that time, which are great, just to read through. If you really want to get your immerse yourself into the world of Fenris and the Space Wolves. I did a bit of that. This week and yeah, it's really nice to get.
Yeah, the theme definitely I think attracts me more than most other chapters because of the Viking setting that they're in. So you know, who doesn't like a viking mean? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we can do a whole podcast and Laura Spaceballs. I love it. Yeah, Mike. Yeah, we're definitely my do that in the future, for sure. Yeah. So let's just get on for the couple of cup of community questions. We've got here from our Facebook group and thank Guys, for sending those in, we've got a
few people here now. Been Boyd says, Are you ashamed at how space Wills are in the current edition? No, not really. Like, I was the biggest myth that I had coming back into. It was Spaceballs riding wolves. I thought that was just so cliche and lame, I thought, Thunder wolf. Cavalry was just so. Oh my God, he's serious. Like, why wouldn't you know a
lot? Let's go just there's so much, there's so much wrong with it. And then after playing, a lot of, I think I was playing seventh and eighth of the time. It just grew. I mean it's like I just kept it, get on with it, get on with the program just deal with it. They're they're they're good. You know, whatever. I actually enjoy playing Spaceballs. I start look I still have the same problems of playing Space Marines now in night as I did in second.
I find that Mobility is a problem for him. I find that a lot of arm. He's doing the same things that they do, but better space was a really handy and combat orientated Army but there's other better hand and combat armies. So you know it's it is what it is. I like them. I really enjoyed the expansion of the cannon.
I really enjoy the expansion of all the law I got over Sun Devils Cavalry and I've been a better man for it now, but you can you can you help me with my memory because I'm not going to Google and search this image because that would be much, but be far worse than Magnus a red. I can tell you. Yeah, well that's actually probably they would actually spot them into a depression for the rest of the day but a mighty of the lowest point when they designed a chariot pulled by two
giant walls. Oh my God, Santa Claus Santa Claus. Santa Claus Chariot. It broke me in a mini mini. I was so, I've called smacked at how dumb that motor was and how over-the-top Norwegian Norwegian Viking style that they've gone with it. I just thought that was the Pinnacle of going too far. Yep, I never bought the miniature. I never going to own the minute. Thanks, Greg Olson. I hate it. Hate it on every single level, except for the love logo on the back.
He's cool. The actual miniature forum is good. But yeah, right now I'm with you is sends me into a bit of a fit when I see it. I could tweet you my eye, okay? That might guide me that I just yeah, the new Ragnar for example is freaking awesome. The primary strike now. It's all right, my using, it's not a bad one. Like you, obviously, like looking at those like detailed wise, they're incredible like what they're doing now with what they what they can do with with
the 3D sculpting everything. Yeah. For a painter obviously and you pointed out before, you know I Josh you're a painter white she'd want you into these models. Yeah, look for as a painter. They're absolutely beautiful models in detail and they'll be a pleasure to paint is as detailed as they are.
I'm more interested in doing the The the microscale at the the six mil stuff, because the six male models or 10 mil models are making now, with 3D printing are just incredible, the detail that get on those that that's why I'm really appreciating now more than the 28th Mill, skirts, or the whatever, they are 32 Mill scale stuff, what they are now. So yeah. But Chris and Jim did like, says, looking forward to this
guy's looking for with the chat. He's a big space or player from the US. Hey, Jim, how you going mate? Thanks very much for your comment. And I hope you get your podcast back online soon because I really enjoyed your adventures back into the 90s and early 2000s playing with your father and your friends. So I hope you get that back online dude. Okay, so Chris jent Schneider says yeah really excited for
this one. I'm getting back into second edition 40K and I'm going with space walls because they were the first models I saw and got me hooked. I'd be curious to hear about list, build since, that's where I'm starting my. Question, which are your favorites among the special characters that are must be included in your 2000 point or less armies. You just got to go with the big ones. Ragna Stone Cola and orick the three big, guys. If you can get ahold of him Beyond.
If you had, if you have to choose, you always take Beyond and you always take stormcaller and you can always cheap out on your wolf, Lord, and make him a jump pack, will floored with a power fist. Cool. Okay. Okay. That's a good starting point there for you Chris. So, good luck with your new project made a look. Forward to seeing those in a Discord or in a crowded command community group. When you get that underway, we've got a message here from Telethon corn Cordia Sylvania.
I've got that your name, right? Sorry if I have butchered that for you. Sorry. Can we talk about how we never got a left-handed, heavy flame and a right-handed power fist. We could talk about it but if shit we don't get one. You did get a right-handed pal case when you take the blood corsage and any choppy's arm off and you use it. Yeah I think that's what Greg Parker said in reply to tell a comment.
So Spaceballs have two right-handed power fist, blood claws, sergeant and the spool Sparrow, the wolf guard holding a banner pole. Yeah, basically Richard Richard Burbage from the, the Bringing battle war games Channel. He's looking forward to this one mate. Thanks again, Richard for your 40K, second edition content, we really enjoyed it and I'm really happy that you've got a lot more followers now because yeah, really, really good class better be reports mate. So keep them coming.
Now, Chris, again, Christian Schneider, says great hunters, do you give them close combat weapons and they bolt guns or a mix of both and we sort of went through that before. Yeah, some RBT ones, all got ball guns, Pretty much, and my second head, you know, standard metal ones, the ones that come with the, the beautiful ones, that we all know, and love, they have five of them. Have hand combat weapons. Five of them have bolt guns. Right.
I've seen a lot of people just over equipment with heaps of hand combat weapons. Go for it whatever. Yeah it doesn't really matter. I think a bolt guns, far more effective on a tactical more rain than a hand combat weapon, but you know, you're not really taking advantage. Image of the weapon skill 5 if you do that. So 5052 boxart do, what looks cool. Don't worry about with game mechanic of it, because it s it, and no one really cares apart from you and your mates.
Okay, well, that's a wraps up, our conversation today, mate. Thank you very much again. Can't for coming on. Thank you. And I really enjoyed our chat mate. So I hope we'll have you back again. Maybe do it like a bit of a law chat or something or something else? Another the other codecs we can cover that you have experience with people like me, we can do another one. We love you. We love you. We want you back. All right, so don't go too far.
Okay, so enjoy your day. Thanks very much again and I'll catch you in the next 18 years. Okay bye.