So yeah. This is Josh and I'm joined here with carnufex. How you going mate? Yeah, pretty good. Excellent, excellent. Good to hear? Yeah, it's Sunday, it's Sunday. Now, it's Sunday here in Japan and Australia, and I thought a drag car fix out of his slumbering hobby room to go through some wonderful people in our YouTube Community, normally, you know, kind of X gives a whole wrap-up of what's happening on our Discord or social media.
But This time we're going to do a little something, a little bit special going to just highlight some people out there on YouTube that don't have, you know, two hundred plus thousand subscribers and who are doing some really good stuff out there in the Hobby World and yeah, well highlight them and and hopefully get some more subs for them or get them. Get them to be more, encouraged about making making or get more acknowledgement for making the videos they make.
So mate, why would you want to start with goblin? Green is a goblin Green Bay. See ya. So basically, goblin Green. You guys might be on his Instagram, and he's recently made a YouTube channel painting, basically, like 2nd Ed models and seconded schemes. And he just finished doing a big I've with midwinter minis which is a huge like Hobby and Warhammer Games, Workshop sort of focused channel. So it's good to see him come out of Instagram and straight into the YouTube.
Fierce fee, is very talented painter. So here's Chad says basically goblin Green as one word and it just got the one video so far, but yeah, I'm really Keen to see what else he paints, because it's a good always. A good guide, especially these first videos called painting read like, it's 1994. And yeah, no no bullshit. It's quite good. Awesome. I'm not actually subscribed to that yet.
I do I have to do it tonight because I'm going to have to track down his, like, the URL for it, and that kind of things are put in the, in the show notes. So, yeah, all the people we talk about, I'll be a massive list. Just look at the description in the show notes for the podcast. And you'll see a massive amount of names and links and that kind
of thing. So just click on the hyperlink and Away you go. So, yeah, I went through all my subs and I found quite a few quite a long list of people. And I'm sure we're going to miss some and maybe kind of fix knows
a couple additions here. But if we have missed any here that you know, of that are sort of like these, you know, just people like myself, you know, just making He owes for fun and as like an extension to the Hobby and want to be, you know, just showcase like long-lost games or you know stuff that's what we're doing or something very similar. Yeah, please let us know. Please let us know.
Well if you're flying to tell us, let us know in that like an email like at the clinic command podcast at gmail.com, if you want to contact me directly, or you can post up in the Discord in the end, the YouTube, it was a Like there's an actual channel for like YouTubers Community there. Let us know of any other people you find in there because a lot of like, as kind of X. I know a lot of the stuff in your like regular feed. You'll have like squid bar,
which does some great stuff. But boy, oh boy. I mean, this guy's got millions of, I don't have any subscribe, get millions of views on his videos and those guys have got doing some fantastic work. And I don't want to discredit them at all in any way, but we sort of try to focus and showcase a lot of the guys, all the smaller, guys. Guys like myself. You know, I've only got less than 2,000 subscribers and maybe 300 views per video whatever.
And as a lot of people like me out there doing very similar things, and yeah, we want to give them a bit of a shout out. So we're going to start with dice Hammer. Now dice a, you put me onto this one, kind of fix. Oh yeah, it's these two German guys. I think they're trying. Yeah, it cracks me up because basically they have made a campaign where they've got all
the races of will have my foot. 2nd Ed who are all trying to get into the web way tunnels and they've been doing, like, kind of like a round-robin elimination in phases, and it's been really fun, because they're kind of, relearning, how to do 2nd Ed and, you know, people comment on, you know, rules and
stuff. And they've mentioned that and usually they've got like quite well painted models and really nice boards that they play on. On and basically it's a couple of rounds and then a web way portal will appear randomly on the board and everybody's got to run to it.
And the last person to get the most points on that sort of portal is going to be the Victor and then whoever loses gets eliminated and so on and so forth and it's into the sort of the second phase now and yeah it's been really fun to watch it. And I'm basically commenting on every video trying to you know Sway them to get a mid Victory tyranny to Victory. That's what will soon find out it's coming up. Just more carnufex is that's the answer. Just you kind of more than you
know where you got any three. It's really crazy because this really highlights how important it is to be flexible and move fast. And yeah you just get stranded. If you want to sit back and shoot and I really recommend watching it because you see some interesting tactics so to come out cool. I've not actually Really watched, I think of watch one of their videos like very like, you know, for a couple of minutes or something and then I got distracted or something like that.
So I have to go back to them and check them out because I know they've been you've been posting up regularly on our Discord, every single one, their brought out. So that's really good that they're really continue on with that. That's excellent. So yeah. Good luck consistency. Yeah, that's that's what you need and that's that's another thing. We're going to bring up now bring in battle. Well, if you want consistency, I mean it doesn't come short with these guys because they're
pumping out videos. Weakly, whether it be you know significant 40K the one-page rules, or bold action. So if any of those games appeal, to you go and check out what rich and Jace are doing there because great, like, fantastic guys, I sort of got to know them through YouTube and what they're doing there and I've had them on the podcast, a couple of times as well, really fantastic blokes.
So I'd highly recommend what they do because it's and, you know, I'm going to say this not in a bad way but But I like the Raw videos where they just, they just got a video that they've got, like a phone or just click record, and that's what you get is what you get, what you see is what you get, what you hear is, what you get, there's no kind of editing. It's just all very, it's all very rough and raw and I quite like that. I like that approach to it, you know. I don't either as well.
Yeah, good banter, but it's all natural. You know what I mean? It's not sort of force, it's not sort of choreographed. It's not scripted or anything like that and a lot of videos do that and it sort of turns me off a little bit. So I Their approach to it. It's very raw. It's, you know what you see is what you get? And I like that. It's all very spontaneous to. Now, another Chapel want to highlight two and I want to get him on the podcast at some point. We're trying to get a time
together to do that. That's the guy from second edition wargaming. He also does really quality second edition bankruptcy. You've heard of him at all. I'm kind of X. All right, good man. Yeah, I'm really surprised how low his subscription rate is because like, you know, he puts A lot of time in editing those videos and they're really good quality. So I really want to see his channel expand and grow in the future because yeah, he really deserves it real. We got stuff to. Yeah.
And like yeah, really nicely painted models and he gets like, you know, because like for example, bring him battle. It's always Jay sandrich, playing, always Jason rich but he brings on other people that he knows, you know, locally that come and play second edition 40K with him. So, You see different armies and see you meet different people. So I really like that aspect to it and again, really good editing really good. Soundtrack background music and
that kind of thing. Now, that special one hot. Yep. Sorry man. Sorry, I just interrupt, yeah, basically goes through like how to play games like second edition and yes shooting phase and stuff like that. And look man, like having someone explain to you how to do combat. Let's see. Yeah. It's I love Combat, leave, Italy, people. Keep shitting on it but I really love it. Yeah, like and comment. I like it. But I've known it since I was 12.
Yeah. People were coming into 2nd Ed or trying to relearn it to have someone explain it to you. That's you want that. That's true. And you know the all the other editions I think before and after that all did the weapon skill, burst weapon, skill roll, the dice and I don't like that. I love the uniqueness of second edition, the close combat. You do a bit of math will get over it, you know, start getting your brain to work. Got it all your work, it out, your work it out, so it's good
for your mind with your brain. Now, metal Hammer TV, that's our Tom Reynolds, you might know him from the doctor. The biking second edition, painting competition, or challenge is a really good painter. He did some videos through the lockdown with his son, Josh on second editions Space Marine really good. Quality videos really well. That edited and put a reduced. So go and check out here is again. I'm really surprised that not many people support subscribed.
I probably don't even know about his channel, so yeah, go and check that out, really good stuff. Old hammered, now, all hammered covers, a lot of things. A lot of. He like he bought recently a whole stack of white dwarf magazines and he he did like a live stream of he requests and he's got other games.
Like I think we have a quest and neck remonda and all kinds of classic Games, Workshop games, or things of that elk, you know, of really old discontinued games that he sort of collects and buyers and plays with his Have you listened to watched any of his stuff made at all? I think I have give me one second. I've got to check that because I think he's on my list of subscribe. Probably, it's me. He's one of the piece, one of the bigger channels I think out of the ones we're going to
mention here. So he's got quite a quite a big following. Go through things like this to tell compendium and stuff like that. The really old school stuff. Yeah. And he recently through like the 80-43, like the old Rackham game with a prepaid plastic stuff, he did all that head, like all the Say it's all bent meant kind of stuff.
So looks like he's got a fair bit of money so and he's just going out and sort of just buying Bargains from places in the states where he lives and kind of things. Nice job and occasionally, he'll do an article like, you know, 40K ogron's Through the Ages and stuff like that. Yeah, he does a lot of those too. Yeah, so yeah. So good quality stuff there. Now, my good, mate. Garf now gasping on the podcast at least once before. Yeah. Because yeah, really good guy, again, very natural.
You know, it's just what you see what you hear is what you get. And I really like that about golf really down to earth. But he loves his 40K law, and he does a lot of painting videos on Twitch. So, and he does a really, really cool videos about various different models that are come out. That he doesn't like any wants to sell you. Why and a take a, like, the old models to the new models and that kind of thing.
Like that kind of thing. You'd like a bit of banter in the bit of bit of fun thrown in to your 40K. Yeah, as an alternative, if you want to watch his channel because he's got, Let's Play videos where he plays old games, like final Liberation, which was the yeah epic game ever. Yes, that's right. I think that's how he really started. He used to live in Japan. We talked about that, and then he moved to China, and I think out of his Pleat boredom or frustration with living in these
countries. I think he started doing these kind of YouTube videos and and sort of playing the final Liberation and doing painting videos and that kind of stuff. Cause he's not a gamer, he just likes doing. He just likes a law and painting and stuff like that and he's a good painter tube. So check out his twitches and check out his YouTube videos. They're really good stuff. Yes. A very hilarious edits in that too. Yes, very hilarious.
Once that yeah there is he's definitely has a good sense of humor and I like Like car sense of humor, it's all very blocky blow. He kind of thing, but I like that. So yeah. But go and check it out because it's a good laugh. Next person, I want to highlight and whose whose YouTube's growing actually, I'm really happy to see. That is Johnny Watson gaming. Now Jonny recently joined our Discord. Thanks, mate. And he's hit some really kind words about our community there.
So I want to push everyone to show my appreciation for that as well. But ya can't check out his channel because he covers a lot of stuff. Now, doing a lot of 40K second edition thing with Esau car me and, you know, there's a lot of yeah. Like you're doing a lot of hobby related painting project videos. He's done some epic videos, as well and a lot of hobby stuff, so a lot of fantasy and that kind of thing. So I'm sure pretty sure carnufex is right in there mate.
Oh yeah, Charlie what's in here? Okay, that's cool. Subscribe straight away. Now the next one is bit closer to home. It's jugs, know, kind of X. It's not what you think. And I'll tell you a very funny story about this in just a moment, but it's just Japan United gaming Society. Now, I know, Damien for quite a while. Now, I've had a couple games with them epic, but he does everything, he does like, modern stuff, he does all the old stuff, he does.
Everything he's just Games Workshop mad so he's just a massive collector and painter and player of all these games. But anyhow. Yeah. The the the acronym juggs is quite funny because I walked into a store and it For and Matt, Damon. And I saw this, and this guy, he's an English guy. He approached me started talkin about age of Sigma and I just said, and I was in, I was in Chiba. So, I knew that Damien was in Chiba and I said, make you part of jugs? He said, you, what I said jugs
is it? What do you mean? I said, you know, it's this called jugs. It's like a thing on Facebook and he probably thought he was some kind of porn club or, you know, some kind of titty, bar Titanic type of thing. I said I made that it's Japan United gaming Society. It's nothing to do with women with large breasts or anything like that. So it was a really funny moment. I think he just got the wrong end of the stick initially, until I explain myself and his
eye. And I made, I'm not part of this gaming Society. Is that okay? For one, for some reason, I thought maybe it was Damien. I thought and I thought I was going to say I made, I know you and I was a bit of a Funny Story. Anyway, moving on original old Hammer artwork, awesome Channel and you know what, you see there is some of the greatest start work that he's collected from the artist directly and he sort of cells on he sort of he's not commission, he does it for free.
We did a whole video on that. So go and check out the YouTube channel for that because and I'm going to bring him back on soon as well. Yeah you're going to have to because he's acquiring more and more stuff use your quite more stuff would be. He said he's got a couple more collectors. He wants to bring on as well so that'd be really cool to do but yeah he's got more stuff recently so yeah I'm very interesting. Why? So I can please check out Adrian's work there at Old Hammer art.
It's really good next planet old Hammer. That's Ian and he's most famous on Facebook. Sorry, on Twitter I think he's more he's got more notoriety on Twitter than most other channels. I think he's very popular there but he does a lot of old Hammer stuff. You probably know a lot about him is that right? Kind of X Plus Delta I'll need to get a link to that guy stuff because I haven't been able to find him on YouTube. So right. Okay, yeah, I'm not sure what's happened there.
It's like it's similar to many. So dead here is someone at home, he's offline everything at the moment because it's not happy with the editing and things. So I'll write shout out to him. But yeah, anyone to him because I can't find him at the moment because Just he's going on that's what this weed but yeah but yeah, but Chuck that link up in the show notes, I'll need to grab that. Yep. Okay yeah so many said he did one video and it was brilliant.
So it's a shame that he had to pull his his his videos down or whatever for the time being. But I hope he comes back. Was he's doing some really good quality stuff there, so yeah, please come back soon. All right, so next we've got snake Works, 40K law and all have. Nostalgia and history vids. He does a lot of stuff like that. Sort of goes back in time and and pick something out of an all white dwarf from like, a rogue Trader or something like that. I subscribe to this guy years
ago. Because, yeah, things like the space Crusade TV and how to make an old Hammer bunker from white dwarf and stuff. That's right. Yeah, that's right. Subscribe to a years ago, that's pretty good. Yeah, the bonus question. Yeah, nice, good stuff. And he pumps that quite regularly videos. So, yep, dipping. These feed into Horus. Heresy, at the moment, which is
good. Yeah, I think he's one of those guys who just covers everything, like he loves the old stuff, but he loves all the recent, all the recent stuff too. So you got a good spread of everything really in that channel. So here go and check him out. Now, my good mate, Brett, its solar solo old Hammer gaming. He does a lot of he does, he's fanatical about Third Edition, one of my fantasy. Battle and all those games of that era. So he recently picked up like a big space. May 2nd Edition.
What else did he gets this whole Quantum space Hulk. One that was good too. He's really hard to get. Hold of, I don't know why but I've been trying to get hold of him but he just doesn't, doesn't contact me but Britt's, really good guy. And I know he's in a bit of Health difficulty at the moment like he's got a few health
problems in the moment. So I hope he gets better and he gets back back into doing some videos because he is Very, very prolific in doing what live streaming and making videos. Again, this it's really rich in raw.
It's like, you know what, you see what you get and the like that because it's just like, you know, he just hold up the camera saying, you know, this is what I feel or this is what I got, you know, have a look at something that's came through the mail and yeah I really like those kind of videos. So brick, please come back and give us some more content. May be really good to see, we've got WarGames Orchid which at all Richard is it? Yeah, watch it. Sorry. I keep calling it awkward.
I don't know why it's got oil in it. That's probably what it is. I don't know, I don't know or card. That's what I'm going to call. It may be that games. All car might have to consider changing is just for me. Yeah, I don't think he's going to do that somehow, but anyhow your for, you know, you know, who these go beyond pronouncing it wrong.
Now, you're pronouncing a right. I always get it wrong, it's Orchard. I keep saying it's awkward, but it might be awkward hard, but I'm going to call it all card from. No, I want to call for all cars. Went out and stuff. Everybody says I'm going to wrong. That's what it is.
Okay, son, but you know, the guys there do a lot of good stuff on as a podcast but also they have a YouTube channel for people who don't know, they did do some fifth edition, one of fantasy battle courts and they did some more vids on one of 50 addition fantasy and I think they do that sort of you know Going Through the Ages. I like from 3rd Edition all the way up. Up to like a tradition, check the changing of units and how they, how they changed and
evolved through the history of wama and that kind of thing. So, you had a bit of a collab battle, to with the Crystal Sword of far from probably, for nah, actually. Actually Jesse's not actually part. He's part of that group but he's actually part of that team. I was I was a misunderstanding as well that yes he's just he's his friends with the guys there but he's not actually part of that whole team. Shame on them.
Yeah. But that Jessie's really good guy and ya know, he's he will have to get him back because I said a doctor, the bike. And we need a, we need a second part to find his long-lost lover. That's my general. Hi of General. His lover wizard has been kidnapped by scroll concern, is to go back and with vengeance to bring his lover back. It worse than death. Yeah, he captured by it. Yeah, I know with it, like a pestilence came with the Lea pussy sores, and a kind of things even better.
Now, we've got Owen Staton with Adventure of between adventure of time, between times with own statement, if there's a lot of ranges of Shadow deep and what else I think did war-cry
recently or something like that. And he did some other ones that like From the same author McCullough, I think the guy's name who did range the shadow Jeep anyhow he's got some other games that Owen is really interested in so he does a lot of solo play kind of videos so go and check him out and he also does like it's time between times storytelling YouTube video YouTube channel as well. So I'll put both those links in there for that. Yeah, my good mate.
Caledonian who often comments on my videos. Thanks mate. And I know he hasn't been doing a lot of stuff on his YouTube channel because of time constraints and that kind of thing. But he has got some Old Second Edition, 40K hobby videos there. But there's a lot of historical stuff as well. Yeah, some call unboxings and assembly and painting and things like that and it's really good to subjective.
Yep, definitely it. Don't go and check it out because if you the more you comment and the more you and try to encourage people, they might say, hey, hey, you know, might actually make another video, you know, so we'll see how it goes now. We'll get Celtic Griffin now Celtic Griffin. That's Michael Becker. Michael Becker did the, he made the the goblin, the night Goblin fanatic game, loony bashing for the Third Edition third.
So the third issue of the here a fanzine so Michael did that he wrote an article about doing campaigns and that kind of thing, I think an issue one of the fanzine Yeah, he's he's really passionate about games. He's got a massive collection of board games and War games and he's really interested in like fourth edition fantasy. So we did a lot of videos over
the lockdown with his son. And again, they're pretty rough and raw but I think that I found them very entertaining because you know it's someone playing for the dish in fantasy. I mean, you know, there aren't many of those videos around. So it was really cool to see him playing like the the mall thrown pass video scenario with his son and that kind of thing. And the progressively, the videos got better and the quality of the video and the audio got better.
And that kind of thing. So yeah, if you're looking for some more water content, please go and check out Michaels Channel. Then we got my good mate from the state's down. Boom. And Dan was the was the second guest I had on the podcast way
back like two years ago. Great guy, Dan and he, I think I discovered him through his channel which he had his, his put, this amazing looking britannian Army and basically, yeah, he sort of just did this whole sort of hobby blog, diary kind of think like a vlog kind of style things. So he would finish a unit and you present it in a video and really nice you know Wonderful videos and he really taught passionately about you know the models that are collected and
where he got them from. And Maybe he had originally or maybe had to rebuy them or something like that, and the color schemes he chose for them and that kind of thing. So yeah, really, really nice guy Dan. So please go and check out his videos. I think he'd done some. He doesn't really nice terrain videos to for like bold action as well. So now moving on got life of die. Now, that's Gordon the cell now, Gordon did for the fans and he submitted some like a normal squat list to play again.
John John webs list in for that. So he's a big second edition. Well, actually not, I would just say second edition. Sorry, I would say net epic fan and first edition Space Marine fan. I don't think he played a lot of second edition but he's fantastic. The models on his channel. Yeah. But I think they had some else. Someone else's collection, they make that's the thing. Hi-yah, that's the, that's the, what's the guy's Primark? The Primark load. That's the guy. I forget his name.
Sorry, but it's the guy part, who was part of the, one of the original guys part of net. Epic. And apparently he's selling his collection since then, and then all the other stuff. He's got painted. Now he's photographing and then Gordon's uploading those videos up on his channel, which is really cool. So yeah, just insane collections. I couldn't imagine having anything like that. I don't know where I put the bloody stuff but yeah.
Just really nervous. You like all of the sort of 2000 ad stuff like Judge Dredd and stuff. Yeah, definitely check out his channel. Yep. Good Shannon for that because, yeah, he does a lot of he comes a lot of the Warlord games, they do that. Now I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that the old xgw guys antechambers for one is one of the games Developers for that. Yeah. And like on his podcast is chatted to people like gave for been young man.
Anders and yeah it's it's always great to just hear those dudes. Talk about games and develop games. Absolutely, for sure that. And then we've got some Oak bow Studios, that's Jeff, I've had Jeff on the podcast before and we did and I think we did a video together as well. And yeah, doing his he requests collection. Now, here's, yeah. Really big into Old Hammer, especially fantasy not so much 40K, but a lot of the fantasy stuff and he's got he's amassed quite a large collection of
white dwarfs. And he sort of, he does, he's kind of retrospectives like, let's look at issue, 50s, like 57 levels, look at 157, compare them and that kind of thing. So, I really like that retrospective series he does on white dwarves, so go check out his channel. Now, Jeff is a really nice guy, who's really passionate about the Hobby. And now, the next two I'm going to cover is about confrontation, the first one being end of world gaming and that's a pretty cool Channel.
Again, it's pretty rough and raw but, you know, we haven't we, but I enjoy the movie, they're quite entertaining. Some of the, some of the conversations or some of the band of have will some of the reactions they have in some of their dice rolls, are quite funny, and amusing.
Um but yeah, he tries to get quite a few people on from from his community or area to get there and he's got he's got quite a few people involved in it actually, which is quite encouraging to see playing such an old Dead game. So it's nice to see that happening, and I hope that he continues making battle reports in the future, and my good mate. Owen Matthews Aurelio and he's actually a game designer. But he's also madly passionate about confrontation.
He's probably the most passionate person that I know about confrontation. And he's also decided to make some battle reports with his friend he plays locally with. So yeah, they're pretty cool. If you want to really know the like they play like, you know, torment style play of Confrontation. So if you really want to know the in depths of tactics and all that kind of stuff, go and check out Owens Channel. Now a couple other things I want to cover it to is Dungeon Crawler and add.
Course, to the stumbled across his channel looking at Advanced. He requests, and he's a funny guy. I think, I think maybe he's somewhere in Eastern Europe somewhere. And so like, English is not his first language, but he does a great job in trying to convey his passion for advanced request. And I love when he says dices. I mean, I just love that just cracks me up every time but yeah, I just love watching his
series. He does like his really short like like seven minute clips and then but the - you have to watch The next one and sequence kind of thing, and it's a really fun way of doing it. But yeah, again, raw as hell. But I mean, you can hear this like this really loud fan built in the background and that kind of thing. So, I mean, it's not the most. Yeah. But again, I like, I like those videos. I don't know why. Maybe it's someone playing space
Crusade and think. Yeah, I need a space with Sadie loves, although he loves all those games like the advanced request here, request-based proceed with request. All those Dungeon Crawler type based games from games were Absolutely loves them. Another guy came out of the blue and I found him just by chance. Is Richard, Richard some games and he does like a 3D roleplay Con in the u.s.
So think of all games, like space Hulk, bounce, her request, Advanced space Crusade, all those, all those games that had that little logo 3D 3D roleplay. Corn, sorry 3D 3D role play solo, play type things. All those box games he doesn't convention and they he's got on his channel a video compilation of Of photographs, that he's taken of all, these cons. He's been to an organized. That's quite an eye-opener. And I've never, I didn't know anything like that existed until
recently. But mate, I think that wraps up all of our channels is there. Anything else you want to add me? Look, there's, there's quite a few people out there that are making content. The main thing to do is you click subscribe, you click.
I can you leave a comment? I know that you hear this sort of crap on every single video but it's to make sure that your feed is going to be populated with the stuff you want to see and it's going to help them with getting support in that sort of YouTube logos fear and encourage them to make more content.
And it's going to make sure that the horrible AI That's running YouTube now, because I think it's basically you locked the staff in the dungeon, it's going to make sure that that AI is trying to cater your feed to what you want to see. And you've got to do it. I know it sounds like a bit of a chore, but it's literally, like, 2 clicks, man. Come on. They just want you to know. I just want you to watch The Alex Jones defamation trial, that's what it is. I think that's what it is, man.
That in micro Minecraft videos, baby shark all the rest of the rubbish. Does my butt look big bigger this? Videos that kind of thing. Yeah, I know. I know it's yeah. Same keep you community Strong by supporting them and then look man. Like the more you do that the more content you're going to get and you're essentially getting free entertainment when you're bored.
It's awesome module. Let my son back on YouTube which is a terrible thing to do because I've sort of kept away from for such a long time but now my feed because it's going through my channel. So my feet is full of like toy videos and crazy. Crazy Japanese guys, you know, playing video games and that kind of stuff now. So it's going to be a competition. Might be a war now between me and my son who's going to win. Yeah, the AI is going to be so confused.
We're gonna have to wrap this up because we're almost out of time. So thank you again, kind of X. We time out. I know we, we, it was quite a long slog to get through all those video links, but at least we've done it now, mate, least people know about it. And that's, that's a good thing. Look, the most important thing.
Is that we give a shout out and support people in the community, so that they keep making lovely content and it should not forget, but we actually got an interview today, too. And that's with my good mate Gregoire Gregoire.
I've recently contacted through the confrontation Discord group, and I came to realize that he was an ex-employee of Rackham back in the Glory Days. So, I hope you guys enjoy, listen to this, because it's another game of really strongly passionate about Out and I love to death.
So yeah. Enjoy our conversation today with Gregoire and I'm probably gonna have him back at some point to talk about hybrid, which is kind of like a space Hulk, but set in the world of our Clash being, so horrible d'oeuvres creature and see exactly. You like to do is make they're like, they're like they're like the the tyranids in a way. Well, I'll tell you what. The multi-part hybrid creature kit was way better than the most part kind. Execute, I bet.
I bet it was all right buddy. You take care of yourself and I'll see you in two weeks. Okay you guys take care. Bye bye. Thank you. But yeah, but welcome to the crank arm and Greg and it's really good to have you here and to talk a little bit about it. Confrontation and little bit about yourself and how you got into the miniature wargaming side of the Hobby.
And of course, working in the industry exclusively for a number of companies but most famously in the reason why, you know, I asked you on today was talk about your involvement with with Rackham and during the Glory Days but-but-but-but foot be. We get to that and people who may have no idea who you are. Would you like to just go through about, you know, yourself and how you got into the Hobby and that kind of thing? Okay, first I'm super glad to be here with you.
Thank you for inviting me. So I'm Greg, Greg were blue. I'm French. I live in the u.s. I'm married. I have three kids. It's it's been 10 years since Since I've lived since I've left France to leave it in the US. And even manager, formative years entertainment, before that I worked for many, many companies in the industry, most infamously obviously football for tonight, Rackham and recommend attainment. So there's that I'm 44 years old and I'm very tired but I feel
like they don't know. The feeling was just bad for years, on top of that. I'm not in a but yeah, but from that not much I like miniature gaming, I dislike most board games with very few notable exceptions, I like RPGs and that's pretty much all. So you don't like board games upon your favorite board games. Of course is hybrid. Yeah. Hybrid is very special because it's a, I like Dungeon Crawlers, right? And generally speaking. Being most of them are nice one
way or another. But yeah, hybrid for me is the second best game made by Rackham ever, what I be presumptuous to say that the first and most beloved ball game of yours. Is he requests? Absolutely, right. Exactly. That's it. That's exactly that. This is the, the founding father of everything. This is my actually, my first contact with a miniature gaming worth almost through your request. At a friend's house. I didn't even know what it was and that was amazing.
Like really, that was an epiphany of fun. And since then I don't think that any other Dungeon Crawler ever made as well as heroquest in terms of fun and accessibility. So deep that I totally agree with him at. Yeah, that's that's that's that's a masterpiece. Wonderful. I recently acquired hybrid again the second time and I'm going to
give it a good shot this time. I think the first time maybe the rule book was really I think for most rack and based games, the rule books were the most hardest to get through and learning the game and of course, no one played it. Now if I could, if I was back in go back in time in the mid-2000s, the 2000s and go to France, and go to the conventions and have someone like yourself running a game for me. It would have Change my complete expectations about brackman and all their games.
Not only hybrid but for confrontation as well. And I think a lot of those games just didn't survive outside of you know the us or France because there were not many people playing it or showing you how to play it. Yeah. I think that the problem was with demos and how to find people were able to do explain
to you how to play the game. But it's also due to a very cultural problem that we have with Miniature gaming is that we don't like noobs and it's very it's very hard to get new people into the hobby because most of the veterans of the hobby are very intolerant with people who are starting the Hobby and the they don't want to waste their time teaching, they don't want to waste their time, turning down their power playing.
I mean, there's a lot of overcompensating, a little bit like you when you buy a very big girl, you know. So so it's yeah, the This problem was really, really, really acute when we were when I was working for Rack Em already at that time. And the the the tournament System created by Rackham was not Noob. Friendly at all like at all. So so that I think that was a one major problem at that time. It is a shame to say being so competitive because I never really saw confrontation as
being a competitive type game. Especially when you like consider like second edition confrontation, which I have no experience with. But I know all the narrative type story is that some of the characters came with and like I was just reading through ones for the goblin Pirates. So you've got mr. Divde and his tattooed belly with the treasure map and these guys come aboard.
Ship and try to kidnap him, he's drunk and, you know, you're going to make all this special roles until he actually become sober and you know, gets up and starts fighting and and then did then trying to chase that I think someone's stolen their parrot and the parrots, the only one who knows all the secrets of all the treasure treasure is located around our Clash and they're going to try to find that kind of thing. So I love all that kind of stuff.
So it's shame. It's a shame that they sort of deviated away from That with 3rd Edition, they sort of just eradicated all that. And yeah, that that's that's the aspect of Confrontation. I really, really enjoy the most. Yeah, I agree. I don't personally. Don't think that compensation was me to be competitive game, but I think that at that time, again, the gaming culture was very, very aggressive and all that was inherited from basically the feather of all why.
Games, which was warmer 40K and the organize tournaments on that game. That was already not meant to be a tournament game but more beer and pretzel game. You know, where you, you make a very nice diorama. You pretend to roll dice and you have fun with your friends but then it became this tournament oriented Orient oriented events. And I think that confrontation just came from that because While most of the first employees and managers of Rack
Em, we're from gift shop. And I think that this came into that, you know. So yeah. So that that's the reason why. I mean, I have good memories of tournaments. Most of them because I was organizing them so I didn't have to play, but when I had to play I always had fun games because I was playing notoriously bad and with a very mediocre armies and army lists. So I was always in the middle of the of the ranking so I didn't About winning anymore and the people I was playing against
didn't care either. So we were basically in a position where we were doing, like, three to five games in a weekend without worrying about our ranking at all. So it became fun again. So, so that was good. They did the, the only danger was to face a very super competitive power gamer at the very first round because then you, they would destroy you in very very fast, which was cool. But you still had wasted one game in.
A weekend. So it was a little bit down so household destroying that like if sound is tables you. Yeah. And they know that you're not really that experience of playing the game, I mean that's kind of the worst experience. Anybody anybody who wants to be introduced to all like a miniature wargaming or anything like that but ever experienced. So having plate having played war machine which is also a very competitive game.
It's not a matter of being tabled, it's a matter of how you're being tabled and some games. Simple War Machine. When your demo the game, the first thing you do is that you set up the to battle groups and you destroy the guy in front of you, like, you destroy them like super fast, it happens in round 1. You do a trick and boom, it destroy them and say so that what? That's, that is what you can do
with the game. Now, I'm going to show you the rules and its really that the game was meant for that confrontation was never meant to be this power gaming v x and so. You had a lot of rules conflict that were not solved properly. You had a lot of approximations in the rule writing because they again again, the game was supposed to be very relaxed and very played with very little Miniatures. Enduring a very short amount of time, and that's the reason why
it was complicated. But yeah, it became soul-crushing for some people because they come to a tournament, they made the effort of putting together. Miniatures are extremely complex, sometimes they even painted them, which was rare. But Happened and and then you, you basically tell them yeah, we're everything that you did for the past three weeks prepping for this tournament, just to have fun. It was going to be destroyed on the first round and that that that is bad.
That is super bad. So, yeah. But hey, at least they could diminish. His painted. That was the main thing on it. Oh yeah. Absolutely. That's that was really the fun thing when I was organizing tournaments in France, we had in. I was in the southeast of France. And we had this massive region that was basically all the South part of France that had a painting compulsory policy. So you had to have your Miniatures painted, if you want to put them if you wanted to put them on the table.
But the north part of friends who which was playing with the official rules didn't have that the managers the just had to be put together and so you could see a cultural conflict but our tables were very, very beautiful. We had we had less power gaming, we had a few power gamers. But they were more relaxed because again, our tournaments were also a little bit more relaxed, but we had less power gaming and more painting. So again, it's the to do, you know, the two faces of the hobby?
Yeah. For sure, man. So if we can open that little doorway and pay through back in time when you first started working for rack and what was all that experience like, Traumatizing I arrived in Iraq. Emma, and for Christmas 2005. A friend of mine. So following a some demos that I did or hybrid actually, during the suddenly Market in Paris at the spring of 2005. So, seven days of shows about only models Miniatures and stuff like that, and Rackham had a magnificent stand there.
And they had a hybrid table, and I was the only demo guy for the for hybrid during the whole week. So I demoed a hybrid non-stop from 10:00 to 6:00 every day except Saturday, where it was ten to nine standing up doing demos. So basically my feet were bleeding by the third day. It was really fun and I met the part of the staff that was coming to just watch that people
were not stealing products. Was the the manager of the mail order service and came there and Julia and became a friend during that show because we were suffering so much. That it was really, really fun. So it created a bond basically between the people that were tortured by the, by the show. And so we became friends, and we kept in touch and this kind of things and on Christmas, you called me because you knew I was in Paris for my vacations. And it only are you available,
because my assistant is gone. And I need someone for Christmas because it's all rush time and I cannot do it by myself. So I'm like, okay, why not? And that's how I became a recommend ploidy basically. So which, which made a very first conversation with during the recruitment, very weird because I had the boss of the company asking me, so what do you want to work for Rack Em? And I don't it's just that
unions. So I was I was genuinely a I just finished a job that I had folded last three years. That was extremely hard also and I had this massive unemployment. How can I see that P? That was guaranteed for me for three years. So I can only take three years of vacation and I was extremely well paid during this vacation. So I actually took a cut to work for Rackham and so. So I was like, I don't, it's just that. I I'm just here to help my friend because he's in distress
so I can do that. So, that's how it started. And then one day, As I was talking to a customer in English because we had this guy from Australia - once a week once a week because he was passing all this that we are like between 2000 and 3000 dollars every week.
Yeah, really? Yeah. Yeah. It was nothing and and the guy was passing these orders and it was, you just wanted to make sure every time that the order was clear and clean and there was no problem and because he I think he had this massive Excel spreadsheet where he was trying to figure out what you need to order for the next week. I don't see any other solution
like, really, it was insane. So, so I was on the phone with that guy, trying to solve his problem because we had some missing products and the managing director of Rackham, heard me speak English and said, oh, you speak English. I'm like, yeah, I do. It was written in my resume, and he's like, oh, cool. So you're going to be our new sales rep, for all English countries, all English, speaking
countries. So it was America, UK Australia, New Zealand and Ireland. So That became a my new job like four months. After I entered Rackham just to help a friend. So yeah. Okay. And that's it and that's and that's how I traveled to salute. That's how I troubled. You Origins to Gen Con for the first time in 2006.
So it was quite an experience. I think the most fascinating part of that information in that story was that someone was out of Australia was ordering set ordering so much per week. I mean, that's all that's a lot. That's a lot of stock per week, and I don't know who the hell was buying it?
Because well, I wasn't. So, it must mean some guy in Melbourne. Sydney might because in Brisbane we known playing non-playing conversation, we had a few hardcore customers, we would call them whale now but really they were they were they were spending an indecent amount of money and other frequency that was scary. So that we talk, we talk about a store that spine, this, or at individual knows. No, no. An individual person. That division doesn't have half
from the middle. Do have a nice butt. That's incredible. Well, what were they? Building a house out of like Clyde Bracken boxes or something like that? Yes, I expect. So I get and I don't see any other ignites. Absolutely not. I mean, ordering everything's by six or seven. I mean, really. It was it was I suspect that he was ordering for a club or for a group of people masturbate together. Yeah, but but really, it was still very anyone to do the
boxes to pristine. So if a box was destroyed, we had to send send in another box. So, sending you a box flat. In a box so that you wouldn't be destroyed and it was okay with paying shipping for that so that he wanted everything pristine to was very, very intriguing. Hmm. Well, okay, well, whatever, I remember saying to guys, from Melbourne playing Ragnarok now this is the ragnaroks, the tabletop version of Confrontation. We had like massed ranks of units and are kind of thing.
Yeah, I remember seeing a photograph of two guys playing it one had a really beautifully looking Dano car Goblin, sort of the, the Japanese themed one. Yeah, Army against a Bend or Army so it must have been those guys meet. They must mean buying like thousands of people is worth just to pay to supply Ragnarok. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, then taking the entire weekend to play one game now.
That's that's another story in itself because I'm sort of very, very interested and curious about Ragnarok. I did buy the base game because it had probably the probably the greatest ever painted other by Bonner ever to Grace the the Realms of fantasy and the fantasy genre in art, like it's just a masterpiece that I just bought it just for that. I didn't know what the game was like or what it would have been
absolutely terrible. I didn't care just want it that just one of his artworks, you know, a reasonable size. So mate, how what, how successful was Ragnarok for the company? Not really. The thing is that Ragnarok. The first version of Ragnarok was very clunky. It was made at a time. So again it's a matter of there's a lot of how can I say that the company had a lot of internal turmoil at all time and employees were coming going very fast. There was a lot of turnover and some of them.
Really left in a very bad way because they were pushed away, or because they were just pushed over the limit and it was, as I said, working for rock and was promoted traumatizing because we all the employees of Rack Em. Can't tell you multiple stories of something bad. That happened at the company, whatever, working there, and from harassment, from a, from a superior, to not being paid for six months. Having to work standing up non-stop for 10 hours.
And when you crouch, because you genuinely cannot feel your knees anymore. The manager comes and tells, you know, you have to stand up because we don't see it here and this really anxiety. Yeah, it was not, it was not fun at all like, sad, a concentration camp. More than a place to work at geez. It was horrific. It was definitely a tyranny and it felt like it so but yeah. It's so that's rude. I was telling it was traumatizing it's because it was
but, but yeah. So Ragnarok was created by a team of writers that was exploding at that time. So basically one of the writers wrote most of it by himself while the others were busy, doing something else with confrontation and prepping other games and then this guy left. But when you left, the company was right in a way where we had enough miniatures. For each Army to have an army of Ragnarok. But we were not selling them in boxes yet so they were just in blisters.
So if you wanted a unit of inquisitors, you had to buy like 16 blisters at once. So I mean each that we would cost you is $900. So the game was killed this. The game was killed down so that you could play like three or four Miniatures in each unit. Apart from some guy in Australia, he was, it was loving it, he had lots of money for some reason. So you, they scaled it down to make it playable, which meant that, it was playable with his phone, these little units and stuff like that.
Not super interesting, but playable and then when the game needed to be pushed, they started releasing boxes, which means that the units could be made bigger right away, which was convenient. But at the same time, it was boxes of Miniatures that people already had some times in multiple instances. So they were not necessarily
buying them. So it was really a Snake biting its debating its own tail where you are trying to catch up on the people that you missed at the launch of the game while satisfying, the people that already had all your products in their, in their glass case. So it was really, really complicated. So, so Ragnarok itself was not
successful. Confrontation was very successful for a very long time, then started to fade, pretty rapidly, actually around 2006. And then when we released 80-43, The the the tremendous success of 80-43 showed Rackham another way, which was the way of pre painted plastic to do Mass battle games. Because that's, that was the future. Because you cannot sustain a company on the scammers game ever, okay?
So it is, you have to you have to be able to have people buy multiple times the same products and skirmish games won't help you do that. So you have to do a mass balance game and in order to do a mass balance, Game. We needed to have these plastic, and that's how confrontation age of Ragnarok. Popped up, basically, mmm. So we test the straight there, straight letters the PPP. It's the disc. Yes, the death of, we recommend the death of the death of my interest in the entire thing
unfortunately. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think that the transition from our, former customers, to the new ones was not done properly on confrontation but yeah, we will. Are you losing a ton of money on confrontation anyway? Now we are products that were not selling at all. Anyone who knows? Me knows that I hate dwarves goblins and Orcs because they were not selling at all like I do. I was born, I was buying them. There's one once One customer in Australia. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
It is. You were probably 50,000. That's these three armies. So so yeah. So no really. It was, it was terrifyingly low compared to the other armies. So and we because of Productions because of the whims of management and it's kind of things. We kept popping popping up with products that had dwarves goblins and Orcs at a point and we get asking for war orphans and they were telling me they were telling us. Yeah.
But they're too expensive to produce, and they take too much time to you to scold like, yeah, but I didn't selling 30 of them when I sell one dwarf, so maybe we should. But the calculation was not made this way at that point and prostate Other. They were other problems in the company that made it tank, including Financial weirdness. And I think that's that was really the real reason because the pre painted plastic actually sold really well.
Mmm 80-43 sold by contain, a by entire containers and and confrontation age of Ragnarok. Sold extremely well also so so yeah. It's it was a weird time, it became a very well time attract. I'm because the financial difficulties were real and we could feel them. We had to hide them and people were talking a lot out of their asses not knowing what was happening, really still happens.
Now, to be honest. And so it was really, it was really difficult also to do live that period of time, not being able to tell them, no, you're absolutely completely mistaken and actually you should buy more of that product. Because we already sending a ton of it and the product that you cherish so much. It's been two years and a half that were not selling enough to even sustain the production of it. So I mean, as I said we had limited editions at 3,000 copies and that was the best seller of
the year. So that means that all the rest who are selling in, we less than that. And so it's really funny but imagine the starter sets will be done pretty well for you guys. Like the the confrontation starter sets we had like Yeah The Wolverine and the those type setup. Yeah. The to start of sets were extremely good for us. Like really the small one, the big one they really really worked. They really revived the game at the other launch of Confrontation 3, right?
Really made a push for the game Distributing. A lot of free books at gencon. A lot of free Miniatures all over the conventions, all over the world, the major now, and it was actually the faithful from Akron. I forgot an Asian Asian devant. So that was a, she was like given for free to a boatload of people. So yeah, they pushed it. They push it harder and then they started sets really revived sales for a while, but again, it
made sense. Because in that in a style set, you had does and orphans, which were the two best sellers are me ever. So, so yeah, certainly when we put products that people want, we sell them fairly that, but, you know, it's like I tell people who don't have never seen, like, you know, the products that Rackham brought out. Yeah, it sounds like an absolutely horrible company to work for.
The bloody hell they made. Miss the best-looking Miniatures, they're the best sculptors at the best artists. They had the one most wonderful painters working in it, remind me of like, you know, the Games Workshop Studio during the 80s when they had like this collaboration of all these wonderful people working together. Yeah, maybe an in maybe in a very similar sort of very stressful environment but they're producing the best stuff that isn't that generation in other me?
Yeah, there was a conflagration of a pure talent. In the company. And from everywhere, the point I joke a lot about how bad management was. But at a point, the boss of the company who was a former Games Workshop employee, who was actually the best selling sales rep, ever in Europe, for a decade, after he left, he was still holding. The record was really, really brilliant. And all the, all the ideas that part from confrontation were extremely brilliant.
At the In putting the miniature in a blister with the card for the with the card and the rules for the game in a blister was genius. At that time like absolute genius. No one was doing that. You could you could buy to me inches of any type, you would have the rules to play that miniature and to play against your opponent at any time. So you could start the game with two blisters and be done. So yeah. That was that was absolutely brilliant.
And then the game evolved and again due to management. Issues due to financial reasons and it's kind of things. It is Rackham. Had ups and downs are a lot and then didn't allow for peaceful creation process. And it felt in the, in the rules, it felt in the, in the whether the profiles were made on this kind of things you had four writers at a point and none of them agreed on what the game should be. And it took a while for a camp to actually hire someone to tell them.
Okay, so now I'm going to be the referee. So all of you give me an argument and I decide which one is the good one at that point. And that so that helped a lot. But it took like, it took six years for I came to have that and for six years they published profiles that we're really all over the Spectrum from absolute rubbish to absolutely completely broken so that didn't help. Also Mmm.
Yeah, but It's good to see that in a sense the collapse of Rackham and people actually ventured out in the artist that sort of built this wonderful you know world of our Clash and all the characters within it. They all went on to bed it bigger and better things make like for example Guillotine games. Yeah yeah give it some games. Is two of the writers do the number three of the company and
former sales rep. The former first sales rep of the company that decided to pursue other partners, that decided to make this company and create created zombie side. So that's that's obviously a success story and, and they are now leaving happier lives, all of them. So, so that's very good and he's getting paid also. Yes. Yeah. But that's, that's the thing, is that all the sculptures, all the writers on the painters. Everyone basically has a Korea
now. And everyone came out reach from this in the from this experience. But it's just that District. This experience didn't need to be that dramatic in order to be valuable. So, yeah, amazing. You still have a lot of contact with people from the Rackham days. Most of them. Yeah, but good. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
We were, we were, we were not tight all the time but we were again, the, the conditions made it that some time from time to time, we We just need to lie to bond and you know, take a cup of coffee before going to work because we really don't want to go to work that day or or taking a cup of coffee after work because we had this horrible day and we just need to vent it out before we go join our families. So yeah it created some some some links between between us so it's small.
I mean, I'm not a close-knit friend with everyone and but it's we we all stay in contact, we all Each other. So it's pretty nice. Yeah, that's wonderful mate. That's good. Since the since you know, social media media became a thing, you know. Now you have a chance to actually contacting people.
So I kept in contact with Martin who painted there and and you know Vincent Fontaine is on on on Facebook I think he works for calming are not as like a in the miniature tooling like enjoys it as I can engineer working in China there. For their, for their miniature production and that kind of stuff for their games. So, yeah, it's really good to just make contact with these kind of like, you know, for me they're like, you know, Heroes of mine.
Like, you know, that these guys are like just setting the bar so high in terms of painting, for me, it was just like such an incredible roller coaster that was torture for me, like, you know, try to try to try to emulate all those kind of paint jobs. Those guys are doing on those Miniatures, which is sort of these mind. In colors and all these different Transitions and stuff that was like, so out of the box. So, so different from anything else.
That's wonderful to see that those two those guys and not just them, but other people in the and I want to talk to those guys at some point to, to find out exactly who was the initiator of this style because it everything sort of Follow that. I don't know who that particular individual was whether was I think it's fun. So Fontana, right? I thought so I thought he seemed sort of the the The key guy behind everything. He was like the art director or whatever.
Yeah, he was genuinely the head, the head painter and was managing a team that went from two to five. People are the point and and really was no he was managing them so I guess it would it would be him I think I mean Everyone forget Vinson in Martin on for a chat at some point in the future, the be awesome if you like one of my dreams.
But yeah, but yeah those guys sort of just they like well Vincent in particular, when he change the the painting style for like for painters around the world for like, you know, forever like yeah. You know those guys really set a footprint of what, you know, a miniature was going to be painted like in a sort of a more modern style.
All of techniques and and that kind of thing which we've never seen before, like nonmetallic metals and all these other things that he was doing with Miniatures, that were just, you know, saved impossible at the time. So the blending and everything. Yeah, it was really, really knew. It might me hit liking a, he was painting miniatures. Like, an artist. Like, you know, poor Bond would paint a painting. You know, that, that's what those guys were doing.
That was the oh yeah, if it wasn't sort of like a base coat, wash, and a highlight, And we will use to, you know, it was totally something totally different and yeah, thanks. Thanks to them. They introduced me to Vallejo paints because I had no idea what what sort of paints all using I was very intrigued to see all these weird looking pots on their tables and I realize, okay, these are Vallejo paints.
I stumbled across them and, you know, sort of just snowballed this this hobby, Love of Mine. You know, this fascination with how they painted models and the miniatures Herbs and I wasn't interested in the games at all. I never really played the games, just really painting. The models where my my thing, I think most like, you know, I think you're talking about that in the Discord to that. You know, a fair chunk of people who were buying. These ministers were just buying
them just to paint with it. 10% 10% of our customers. But yeah, it was, it's still a significant chunk of buying them interest juror stooping them. That's especially on recommend, it shows that were Loosely complicated. It's yeah, it was a, it was a it was a good number wonderful, man. Well, great. Well, it's been an absolute pleasure. Talking to you mate. Thank you very, very much for
coming on today. Unfortunately, we did invite Eric to come on today, but I think maybe he's got that, the times mixed up because he hasn't shown which is a real sad thing but we'll have to come back to bring it back on again. Maybe at some point and water do like a hybrid special or something and and you can reverse-engineer the rule book and tell us how to play it. The rule number one of any good game is that if you need to read the rule book, it's not a good game. So that's what it was.
That's like make their problems all time. Okay. So, how broad is a great game and I could talk about it for hours, it's great. My will definitely have you back on about that because, yeah, it's I think it's one of those hidden gems that maybe people were That's how I really got into Rackham, was buying that game, because it was the first commercial product that you could buy in a box with Miniatures in it and I loved,
you know, P request. So I thought, okay, I love Dungeon Crawlers. This is sort of my up my alley but I got to the rule book as like I don't have to play this get like no one was interested in playing it. No it's just like investing the time to play it play it but it sounds like a really good game. And since talkin to you and other guys on a Discord maybe I was wrong about it. Maybe it is a really great. Great game in there that it is just got to work out how to do it.
So thankfully, we have these communities online communities, that share, their, you know, their files and that kind of thing, and it seems to have quite a large following. So, I really want to give that a go and bring you back on at some other point made a talk about it. No problem with pleasure. Okay, great. Well, we'll take care. Enjoy your evening and thanks for being on the crema command. Thank you very much for inviting me. Okay, mate. Thanks very much, take care. Bye, bye.