Anybody there? I am. Can you hear me? Yeah. Perfectly Jesse. Can you hear me okay. Yeah, good good man, awesome. All right. We'll do we just try to record something on Discord and just was a fail technology again Jesse you know me and Technology, it just doesn't blend that. Yeah, well, we got it sorted. If there's a big pause between you speaking me saying something. I'm just trying to avoid that voice overlap.
Yeah, I don't worry about that. Just don't just speak normally because we Set the role that I think it'd be okay, don't worry, but nothing but this has missed out on a great conversation with that you and Gary morally. How did it start? I wasn't talkin about how much I admire him as a sculptor and his
own output. Yeah, I was ranting and raving about the ALF blood Bowl teams that he did, which I'm not such a fan of but then when I realized that, he also did the Orcs the undead chaos and the dwarfs, I realized I owed the gentlemen, an apology It's very good of you mate but I'm sure he'll take all that apology without any questions and asked or answered, but he did a lot of good elves I think later on. I think I think the blood bulb stuff is like the Ferrari, first
things he did. So you really think though what else are me? Yeah, that would have found me. He did and he did a lot of. I think you did a lot of high off stuff for 5th edition, too. Right. Okay. But yeah, he's what elves are like a night and day compared to the stuff he did for blood Bowl, I think. Yeah, I'm not sure but yeah, I'm
always I'm Jes Gordon fans. I really love the Jess glue and, you know, like the second edition models, headed the teams headed for blood bowl for those and the wood elves and dark elves. Well, I'll just what else I suppose from Jes Gordon. But yeah, I have to agree with you. There, I am a couple of weeks guy just had a team of the Jess Goodwin elves arrive, so that was pretty amazing. I'd always wanted a team and I
finally do a full team. Come up at reasonable prices, so I grabbed it. Hey, just making me jealous now, mate. Yeah, well, it's quite flexible. Oh, I tucked in there with to duplicate demon. It's that I didn't send you. So I'll use them as which elves and basically it means it's like a kit which allows you to pay play any of the elf races and blood Bowl. Okay, cool. Alright that's good. I'll just paint it. Send us the colors. Yep. And the far distant future.
I'm going to paint my like not so nice, Third Edition Miniatures until I get a bit better before I go near these stunning Beauties or talk about Third Edition Miniatures. I'm actually painting or minotaurs right now and hopefully, by the end of our chat. I think I should have probably finish them. Well, there's pretty cool as those the ones I sent over. Yeah. Amanda. I'm almost done. I it's quite amazing yet with.
I could do this to do. We just got the these men, I think it's about 18 or 19 baseman and then three Thugs. And then the keeper of Secrets, when you finally get to send it over. Yeah. I think you'll just become a mobile with your implant stuff, realistically. Okay, that's fine. He will corrupt your loyal Empire Miniatures. And by the time that by the time they reached my Cause they'll all converted to slash then, yeah. But who knows? What? They'll be up to on that long journey.
Lots of orgies in that box that no cephas. I wonder if you'll get through customs. Yeah, probably be corrupted to in a infested quite something, but, like, people know you, and they know your voice and your part of the call of the command painting Challenge, and you can hear the chime this. That's a screaming Bell in the background. As you can hear. Yeah, yeah, exactly. A living here. Cathedral, he knows he knows you're on the podcast.
So the Gracie, I rang the bell chime of, of the Great Horn rat that sound, people know who you are. They know you're part of the and organizing the call of the crown and thank you for your for your time doing that, because it's a massive project. It turned out to be a lot bigger than what we had expected. Wasn't it? Like, you know, no, we can expect nowhere near the amount of people to join. Yeah, I was anticipating maybe 8 to 10 people, I thought was realistic.
What maybe in my wildest dreams 20 would be pretty amazing but it turned out to be a lot larger. I'm just sneaking into the document and it looks like we've got 60, 60, active participants, Yeah, it's pretty huge. Yeah, yeah, I was just looking at that September total, eleven thousand points painted. I think that would be more than most people's kind of lifetime of painting a Yas. Yas like it's an astonishing amount of stuff that people are
doing now. Yeah, especially when you consider some people are scratch building, their army is some people are, you know, converting models. Some people are just, you know, painting entire regiments of night goblins to lizard men. Cheeky buggers. Let me I just doing a few character models here and there and just you know racking up the points that way but you could yeah, good cross range of all different kinds of hobbyists doing various projects and it's actually it's quite cool to see
the variation and stuff. We've got like different models from, like, Third Edition up to 88 tradition or whatever. Yeah, I think that's awesome. One period Plastics today, which looks really cool. I'm just, I am waiting to hear Baxter, poldark was, I might, I might sneak a few of them into my line, me if that's the case. Okay, nice. Awesome. Yeah. Hey, well, we are on the subject of the called the crown. I'm kind of intrigued to hear from people what their thoughts
are when the challenge ends. I guess a lot of the painting challenges tend to become a little bit shorter than our full year monster and it means that like if we were going to run it repeatedly we have to think about are people able to sort of maintain the tempo and jump into another full year thing at the end or do you have it six months? Six months down time for people to reformer before you start the next one. If anyone thought so be quite
Keen to me, Keen to hear. That's a good point. And, you know, even though it's two months into it now, but we need to start thinking about obviously for the future and what people think, and what they want to do, I reckon for like, for my two cents, I think we should have it at least a, I don't know, it's three months break, just so people can acquire new models if they need to, and just have a break for
three months. I think that'll be nice or just two months or whatever, but it really depends on the, on the, on the people who are Participating and what they say, in some kind of like survey. At the end, we can do like a mini survey. The majority will rule in the end and then maybe they want that one at. They don't want to do fantasy. Maybe they want to do 40K. I do some people want to do 40K as well. They've asked about it, so, that's an option as well.
Yes, to my proposal or my thoughts at the moment, which is subtly just reflect on my own kind of painting. Missions would be there. We have a six month break, I think I was putting together. An army can be pretty hard for fantasy and use that six months to maybe do a smaller challenge like a kind of a rogue Trader thick. In addition, I hope that we think those armies tend to have significantly fewer models and might give people either a time
to head. Take a break and just refresh or kind of getting something else sorted. Okay, well it sounds good. I'm in for that so that's no problem. We maybe we should this ask people maybe like a couple months ahead before we finish and say, you know, do you guys? We would anybody in should be interested in this and even if you get a handful of people doesn't really matter. We can just have just like a
mini painting challenge. Like you say, we could have one just based on 40K and it could be anything from neck or Lunde battlefleet Gothic. Eric, did I say, if you 40K, if you call you 140k, Rogue Trader, whatever, you know, you can just do everything in the 40K universe or something like that. It's really cool to the chain Ford. Yeah, yeah. So just see what what people have to say about that and maybe it will not get a lot of positive, you know, feedback on that one.
So we'll see. We'll keep but anyhow. Yeah. People probably know who you are obviously and therefore heard you on the podcast before but we don't know how you got into the hobby mate. So can you give us a bit of a rundown on all that history? Yeah, I can but it's going to take a little bit of a life story if you don't mind. Do ya might go for it?
Yes, we're doing. Okay. I grew up in a pretty Tiny Town up in the mountains and New Zealand. So, the first time town, I lived in had a grand total of about six or seven people, three of three of which were my family's. What they meant was there was no, not a lot of other children to hang out with them do stuff with. So I read a lot of books and I guess some, my stepdad, read me the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings
really early? And I don't know where I got the idea from but I actually wrote a set of wargaming rules for my Lego when I was quite Young. Maybe seven or eight so that kind of got me interested in the idea of like I'm wargaming. And then later on, I was quite Keen to realize that wargaming was actually a formed and kind of just went from there, really? Cool. Nice so quiet.
Yeah. Well I think the fighting fantasy series novels, I really like they were a big long and then when I got to high school I was just sitting in a simply one day and completely randomly the guy sitting in front of me turned around and asked me if I wanted to buy a board game. Another arm? Yeah, I'm going to wait what is it? And that was space crew said.
So I have to go that every church around his place, check that space Crusade and bought it and we play quite a bit of that and that got me interested in Sea condition for UK, that was kind of the next done for that. My first real introduction to games works not, I had actually randomly purchased a white dwarf once before, which was, I think 137. I bought it because I like the pencil sketches of the Elder. It was that was the issue that Aldo were released.
But um, I started playing second edition, got the box set and then in Christchurch, which is a slightly bigger town that I moved to by that stage for high school. There was a, um, a gaming shop and in that game and shot. They had the second edition 40K like 2000 Point, Army boxes. So, it was a bit of a hassle, but I went and said, look, I really like this space. And I'm a box but I don't have any. I don't have any money for you, but you got a lot of game sitting on your shelves, which
no one really knows how to play. So, see, it won't you. Let me borrow it. I'll play the game, learn how to play it and then I can come in on a Saturday and seeks your customers, how to play it. And I am the game shops in wrist. So just learning to play different kind of stand-alone box games or games that I'm JW, put out. And then running gamer gaming shop. And then after I died, after after a while, I'd ended up paying off the Spaceman Army that I wanted. Let's see what look I've paid
that off instead of them. Instead of just paying me and credit, why don't you give me the job. So I worked I work the shot for quite a while and ended up spending most of my cash on 40K Miniatures. Yeah and yeah. So that got me through it about University. And by that by the time by the time I got to the through high school, I played a hell of a lot of Second edition 40K and ended up playing a little bit of one, must be a fourth edition Warhammer.
So that was yeah that don't want reduction to the Hobby and then like all of us, I am more like a lot of us. I guess I stopped back your uni and finished uni, moved overseas and then I got to New Zealand in 2006 I am got back in touch with some of my friends and one of them was a dude, I played a lot of on S it for today with and he said, I could play this game.
Nice, hunk. And I hadn't and it's gave me a couple of games in space Stop here to see it kind of got really hooked on that and that kind of got me back into the wargaming thing. So we started playing a lot of Second Edition. All UK again, we played that right most weeks right through until about and then 2015 2016. And then what we will find that it's kind of building up armies and doing various things, but I don't know how it happened. I started just Collecting fantasy armies.
Just a really kind of randomly bought some minutes ago. I really like the um the sculpt I had a copy of the old Warhammer fantasy roleplay that had like a Scott two pages of painted minutes within them really like those put those Miniatures when I was younger. So, grab the couple of those and those initial manage your purchases turned into what we're going to want fantasy armies. And then yeah, then I decided that having a whole bunch of unpainted lead sitting around in
my garage wasn't the best done. The best thing to invested all my resources. And so I made contact with you, got the chaos painting started saw. The, you're entering that I'm painting Challenge and did the same, and yeah, now that that brings us up to date. Well, You've got a quite impressive. Cows, Army will cows armies. I should say you've got quite a few going to give us a bit of a rundown. What you got in your collection and yeah.
Yeah. Like Lana. Since I've started painting, I am I've been collecting images of just examples of painting and color schemes. I like to kind of and just to study stuff. I've been organizing them into folders and realized I've got
about 16 projects on the go. so that that would have shocked but on the chaos front, there is a I've got a new girl Army The corn are me and I am what you kind of feel like the realm of real Sara. They're all of the older figures and then I've got a Zine Charmy sitting around, which is a little bit of a mix I guess. It's got, I've got some of the kind of fourth edition models, sneaking in Dragon organism, and
that sort of thing. And then I've got, yeah, I put together a, um, a smaller Mughal Army, which I was, which I'm trying to paint as part of the painting challenge. I'm just just for a friend. Yep. Yeah. So you're big into 3rd Edition. I mean, when we, when we first met, you sort of we're playing Third Edition with friends locally. How did that sort of started? Um, I guess that when I started, Tracking down a fantasy managers.
I was really just kind of Haunting the minute, she's out and I'd gotten a copy of the Third Edition roadblock. Purely for the artwork, A came up on a local auction sites. So I grabbed it the art was amazing and it came with the the
Army book. I kind of liked this got pictures of all the minutes isn't it for each like unit listing and Initially. I was kind of like the way that the it has like compulsory core units to feel to feel the any army, that's quite a few units that you have to have with specific numbers. So I kind of that was kind of a little bit of a guide when I was just Gathering forces and we can't decide what I wanted to track down.
And then when I read through the rulebook, I kind of like the fact that it's, um, There's almost like it element historical wargaming in there. I was I was playing games. Basically solo game Zoo. Just grinding out games first myself and my spare time and There's a kind of there's a really really different Tempo between Third Edition and fourth edition, fourth edition. Combats, you know tends to end
quickly. Someone get smashed, you have a nasty combat radius and then they flee 32 like it's a little bit more. There's a lot more poaching and govern Eunice will get pushed back. They have to take a significant percentage of casualties before they start rolling route tests. And a lot of really interesting for my things and things to muck around with so that that part of it appealed to me. Cool. Okay. Y'all notice that the omnibox do have like a limitation certain trip type?
So, for example, you know, it wasn't as good as looking at doing a talk and Goblin Army and Third Edition because some guys here in Japan, we're going to play it. And if you look at some of the categories, like I think some thoughts, or arches, or whatever, you need to have a minimum of twenty of those like, you know, you just can't or 60 or something, whatever it might have been, you know, you just can't build another without having at least 60 or 40 or
whatever. Might be of a certain true type which is quite interesting. It's not, it's very different from the other versions. Yeah. They don't the Orkin Goblin Army lists, you've got 80 compulsory troops, the it's like 20 Goblin. Come Goblin arches, 20 or cup hits and 20 awk boys, like, and then, in terms of kind of gathering the Miniatures to get started with can be a bit of a hassle. Yeah, but and I kind of enjoyed tracking them down and finally getting the right number of
goblin arches and stuff. That Pokemon style gotta catch em all. Yeah. That's why. Yes, look at that point. If you guys were getting you to buy minimum something. It's incredible. Yeah. And that's what is the flip side with that length, is, if you're really done with by many models, you can just play chaos and play. 76 have see any point Infantry.
Yeah, you can have almost ridiculously, tiny, armies and Third Edition. It's quite it's quite wild and people talk about later editions as being hero Hammer. But um, Third Edition, the characters can just become absolutely horrendous. The potential for abuse is quite Wild. Yes, I thought I gathered that from my very, very limited experience with Third Edition. Yeah. Like certain things, just were just nuts like magic, and that kind of stuff.
The things you could summon, and all that kind of stuff. It was quite weird. Yes, it's a massive departure. Between the two with with magic points you can you can kind of wizards can actually neutralize each other by kind of cancelling out. This spells bike spending the same amount of magic points and stuff. You can kind of Magic itself can be counted to a reasonable extent, but the problem with characters and I have, I think you have to house, roll it as get armed units.
Don't want your rank - fighting against individual character. yeah, if you had some sort of just absolute based character and can really give units night me as a And there's a couple of hilarious things. Like you can watch, you can move a chariot in the movement phase jump out of it and run across the ground, engage in combat, and then run back to your carrot Chariot and drive away. You're saying that before to me.
Yeah, for yeah, it sounds. So drive-by, Terrier Carnage is a bit bizarre, but I mean that's only a few little glitches in the system. I mean, some people swear by it by the old Hammer communities and what kind of thing they're
swear by the game. I've never really played it apart from just a, you know, growing a few models that I had with some friends on the, on the carpet, in my living room and yeah watching one of my lawyer, Jang friends, something demons and then they could be killed because no one else had a magic
item 22 wound. It was really quite quite weird, but yeah, that was the only sort of experience I've ever had with it. I think Fourth edition came out straight after that so but I can see that there's a while difference between the two, even though they're both essentially wore fancy war games and you have regiments and carrots and magic and like kind of stuff. But there's yeah, I think they kind of now you're playing fourth edition with Jeff.
You'll probably notice a big difference between different. There are the differently different beasts. I mean I think like all GW products. You kind of just degree of You just have to find people who want to play the game in a similar way and who kind of want to and work out some sort of power level that you're happy to play? It that works for both people.
My my solution for Third Edition was to just make a whole bunch of armies and they're all kind of designed to be pretty similar in terms of their horrendous murder. And I think with them with fourth edition, it's a matter of choosing who you play. I don't have a lot of choice in the sense that Jeff is the only local player but fortunately he's a really, he's really chill dude, in terms of the armies that he creates Definitely pretty fluff focused and and
non-power gamer. So that's quite nice. Yeah, that's good. That's really essential, isn't it? You know, you don't, you don't need power gaming, Angel game so to speak nowadays. So yeah, it'd be flexible with what, what you've got given there and you know, you can house rule things you say and just make things just more enjoyable for it. Both both participants. So that's most important. Yeah. So sadly Jeff couldn't join us. Today, we're trying to get Jeff and Jesse on at the same time.
So hopefully we'll get Jack on at some point so he can give his Perspective on on the game as well but you guys you guys are playing fourth edition now how yeah they do we played a series of fourth edition games. So we played our system as being to play four games with each Army. So we are, we started a thousand points and then just add 250 Points, each game and do that over the course of a month. So, we did. We had a serious cave and games. It's cave-ins verse 2. Orcs.
So, scavenge first, orbs, and doomed. Before that we've made a series of dwarves verse unweighted and it was pretty good but it's been it's been a learning curve after so long just trying to get everything right. Active has been just laughing himself stupid at my extreme gyro copter paranoia. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize it but I've got this incredible aversion to Gaara copters. So as soon as they appear I start panicking and just focus,
all my attention on them. So when when we were playing skaven versus dwarves form game, my head, that's ludicrous, like 600 Point antiaircraft Battalion to see it up on it. He'll keeping his dingleberry copter under control. See, I've got to work through that process but now it's really good. Yeah. What? What's been most interesting part and did we really talk? I enjoyed it a lot Dean.
Yeah, just it's different to play kind of kind of a different pace and they made skaven really interesting because walking work changing from an army that staggers for deformed is a turn to an army, which screams across the table at 10 inches. A term was quite quite exciting. Yeah, have you disability? You gotta run and then actual range. Combat ranged units was awesome. I definitely a big part of the appeal. For fourth edition was, was
playing skaven back in the days. I really wanted to play them, but just no one could afford put armies together. Got quite a oh, yeah, quite a reasonable little skaven Force floating around. That was I was always impressed by our, I guess, like everyone and in Chambers gave him the force, that's just such a beauty. So there was a, um, there was an auction on trade me, the local auction site and it was just a big black blurry photo with a
with a 300 Dollar by now. And I looked at it and I like, I don't know, it's just one image and I am I put into Photoshop to try and like, sharpen it up. I thought, I think it's gave him. I suspect it's gave him. I don't know what I was thinking. I bought, I drop the cash on it and it turned out to be a full 2000 Point. Third Edition middle skaven Army, so I was always a happy day, so it's been really not
getting that through the table. I just got to learn how to paint third now, and I can think about painting it. Actually, yes, cable would be too bad to make because you can do a lot of like base color ink, wash Tight and Dry brushing. You know what I mean? Like you don't have to necessarily worry about too much about being overly clean or
neat. Like, you know, you can you can get away with a lot of stuff you can use a lot of colors like whole red, like you know, reddish Browns as like washers and act over the fur and over the metals and and because a lot of them, they're normally brown or blue. Blue depends on what color, what kind of colors you want to paint them. But if you only got like Third Edition, it's like really Reds. There's a lot of Reds on them. Dark Reds, and Browns, and that kind of stuff on them.
So maybe yellow, but yeah, but mostly Reds. But yeah, using that sort of a whole red, kind of as a wash. It really works. You know, you have to, you have to link me to some sort of guy will give me some examples because all of my teams to paint for of ended really badly. We'll do what we'll definitely do one for you make. Because yeah, it's once. Once you get The Knack of it, I'm fine. Yeah, that'll be. That'll be cool. Cool of the crown 2022 or something. Yep.
Yeah that sounds good. So yeah, you've got now you're saying before you played one of my fantasies. So one of the 40 K 7 Edition quite extensively before in the past. Well strangely enough about Two years ago, sold all of my second edition 40K almonds. So I had a whole bunch of armies which are quite beautifully being painted up by a friend but I can't even. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why I sold them.
I sold them to go play. Second edition 40K with soda, still there, for one way them, but I think I was just running out of sports but and I thought I've got to have some sort of Kind of limit to the size of my lead pile. So close out the door and decided to focus more on one on fantasy battle. So, I've got a couple of armies which I can use for second position but they're all on a
rogue Trader era models. Yeah, yeah, I thought I've got it all coming Imperial Guard, Marines, chaos, Renegades, and Alder. So I'm kind of I had a we just I just played a game of second edition with GF, last time we got together. Yeah, cool socks and all he played Captain D's guard. I didn't I didn't I didn't realize how risk-averse I was and my kind of General approach
to gaming. So I think my talks were a little bit different to most aux in a lot of time kind of hiding and taking pot shots and running into cover. So yeah, there were very evasive, or look for second edition thing. I didn't I didn't use any, but from my experience, second edition, 40 case, just all about controlling line of sight. If you've got blind grenades, you good to go. And if not you're going to
struggle. Okay. Yeah. My memories of 4040 case an addition freely hazy but I remember yeah I think it's really robust kind of skirmish. Roasted a people talk about characters being overpowered but you just sit five more flamers. Make won't do anything. So I've never, I've never found characters to be a problem either. They just get lost in crowds of Gretchen, I think, I'll And I've never I've never understood the criticism to lend a hand to hand combat. Lots of people say like take
long time to resolve. But after you played a few games, that go pretty quickly, what I've spent. That being one of the best point, best things about segmentation 40 cables. Yeah, that's really exciting. I liked it. Yeah I really like that. I think it's one of the best things ever. Yeah. It's quite would you say it's quite complex? Is it more complex than the hand-to-hand combat phase? Or just just signature I think so you can see in addition actually works as a game.
I think Rogue Trader. You really need the um like a GM to run it. It's quite a different experience. I mean rogue rogue Trader evolved so much over the course of its life span. It started out with randomly generated, he lists. And then just before the second edition was published, there was a rule supplement published for rogue Trader, which effectively turns it into 2nd edition. So it's, which is quite interesting. You look through it. You later. Oh, okay.
It's almost got like the same diagrams. It's like the the Beta release for seek indeed. So yeah, I rotate out of the aesthetic and I think if you had like a GM, hold really interesting kind of creating games and scenarios and running them, what would be really good? But I think as a as a game that you play, it's problematic. Okay, interesting, we'll have to have to you next time we ever meet or when we when we do meet, will have to gain the second dish in 40K. Do?
Yeah. Yeah. You're going to need to look in the whole day. We've got a lot of games, we need to play. Welcome to go trekking or mountain climbing or doing all this stuff. If we go hang out near Jesse's we have and she goes I want to go there because that's one of the main main reasons why I'd be going there. Like yeah, these aren't such a beautiful country. And yeah, of course I want to see The sites and go sightseeing like kind of stuff. But, you know, I don't do that
the whole time, you know what? I go hang out with my mates and have some games and stuff, she goes. Okay, well, you can do that and I'll go and do something else. I said, okay, that sounds good. So do we need to book? We need to book my wife into some kind of you know wild adventure in New Zealand while we can place. Again that sounds very promising. If you can swing that one, I'm cane. Except on the subject of old games. How's um, how's your experience in man?
Will go Cool. I had one game, I should have a game tomorrow I think with Ben and Australia remotely but yeah, really enjoyed it so far. We just played the bass set ships from the base game and tomorrow if we're still going ahead with it, we're going to play Dark Elves versus skaven, so that should be pretty cool. But yeah, really, really excited about Manowar and this week, I've got my sea of blood expansion came in and one of the boxes.
For the, I think it's Beasts of the deep one of the sea monster, expansions with Triton, and you've got a few other different kinds of what monsters you can have in it as well. So yeah, it's slowly growing and getting there and I want to talk. I want to experience Manowar more and in person with someone else here.
So hopefully, I can konjac Justin, and Paul, and yeah, again with me at some point but yeah, I know, I know you really like Manowar to. Yeah, I raided a, I think it's quite an incredible over all set. I mean, just in terms of being a lightweight fun, interesting game. I think it's pretty spot-on. It's got like the right level of complexity. The randomness is Good. And it's still kind of rewards, good place. Yeah, I think it's a winner.
Yeah, I think from what I've seen of the rule books, I look really good. It means that it, you know, it's, it was set and, and designed during the time, 4th edition. So you can see a lot of cross-referencing of the rules or styles of play from both both games. So skaven behave, just like skaven should, and, you know, there's every chance that they'll, you know, self-employed and kill heaps of their own guys before they even get to the enemy skaven.
Sorry, the the dark elves. Of this really powerful powerful magic and they ride these sea monsters in Manowar, rather than actual ships. But the, the main sort of what it calls shit carrier. Is this? Yep. The black Arc of net worth which is this enormous ships, the biggest ship in the entire game, which can it, how's your entire fleet inside it? It's such a great concept. So, yeah, the Design Concepts are beautiful. The rule book, it's the rule
books themselves. As the the black-and-white graphite ink illustrations. Are some of the best I've ever seen. I think Wayne England, Mark, Gibbons, and John Blanche did almost all the art, internal art for the books. And I think it's some of the best art of ever seen in the book. Yeah, there are in such big stunning. There's like stunning full-page artworks, it's really cool. Yes of the jump. Last up is the best I've ever
seen him. Do I mean you know if you look at some of those battle scenes, he's done. There's one particular one that he's done which is two pages and it's just incredible. That the detail the scope of it and scale of it you know you can just really see he's been really engaged and passionate about doing doing the whole project and it was interesting to see that bill King was a main one of the main contributors, I think not only writing, but actually
developing the game. And who was the other guy? Was another person that wasn't all no Idols doing. Did the base rules but the other person, the other guy was involved in it and I don't have the book handy. So I can't reference it here but he was in charge of like the Electoral property basically but I forgot his, I forget his name but he was like the main person who did the expansions and everything is well like after they did the base game.
So yeah, it's kind of like a maybe A project that someone said, hey this would be good to do. Andy Jones. I think was the guy who did it Andy Jones and maybe Nigel said, yeah, that sounds like a good game to play and be. No, we should do like a naval battle for fantasy and they probably did it in their spare time, and I was just like a side project.
Like some of these games were, like, Lord of the Rings, and all that kind of stuff, like side projects and then they'd sort of just presented it to the, to the higher-ups and said, you know, this is the game we want to make. And what do you guys think? And they said, yep. Okay, we'll do it. And I think, That's probably how it started, I think. But yeah, like you say it, you know, it has everything in it, you've got campaign rules,
you've got a ton of scenarios. If you combine the main rule book and the plate Fleet rules, you've got, you know, you've got to heaps of 2D terrain elements that you can use. If you don't have the actual train yourself, you can play it on the 4x4 board, the ships are beautifully, scaled, and you can and you can paint an entire fleet and the week. And if you really To all you need is what 10 ships? Yeah. I say 12.
With a larger and I think this is this is me pulling on my tinfoil hats like sand advances and absolute conspiracy theory. But nicked the game was like a victim of its own success. I think he done, pulled the plug on it because it was too good but it wouldn't make them enough money. The rules were so fun. I saw lots of people that into play it in and then we must have realized that their made this amazing game, but you only needed 10 minutes to play.
A have heart attack. Yeah, it kind of Yeah, I think they could take it so far and there wasn't a next sort of step with the game. There wasn't there was only so so, so much they could do with it. I think so, its lifespan sort of just ate it up and it ate itself in the end and they decided. Okay, well, I think we've had, we've had it, had its run. I think he likes epic space meet. All those sort of, you know,
self-contained box games. They all had their shelf life with Games Workshop, and it sort of it relied on the fan. To keep them alive after they had surpassed their. Yeah, I mean it goes a lot of stuff published. I just was a lot easier to keep making units. Manuel was a little bit Limited in what you could do without getting some crazy from my experience. One thing I say to be careful with what Manowar is Norm, ditch
Flyers. did just not not worth the time and effort and the black Arc has got some really really on interesting movement rules. Yeah, it multiply magic and because it's intended to be this gigantic Hulk, it actually pushes any other unit that it encounters out of the way. So if you're if you're really vicious fiend, then you can use the black Arc to just push everyone's units around and cause massive problems her sail. Ships, sailing ships. So that's an interesting one, right?
Because that's, that's essentially what needs to do. Because he needs to get right in right into your to the opposing fleets right up close and then open it, you know, it's rear gate and I'd let all the fleet's out, so the monsters and get in close. They don't think they don't get shot up as they advance and so they can enter hand combat. Yeah, I was like, and I played quite a few games with dark elves for mental. And I, I stopped loading, loading, the black car cup with Beast.
So yeah, I think he's a hit a critical hit, which gets everything trapped inside. They can still work their way out of it. If even if you destroy the rear doors, they can still get out. Somehow, it's in the rules somewhere. I don't, I don't write, I was always paranoid again trapped in there. So I just rushed across the table, pretty quick, and pretty
deadly. Yeah, there's one thing about the rules like, like epic Space Marine and like matter War, they're laid out, not not the best one in the best way because sometimes they have a lot of rules in a camouflaged in with the flavor text and in other sections, not not in one place. So you need to read the whole thing over a few times before you actually get and collect all those smaller additional rules for your fleets. I found Yes, epic Space Marines.
Quite guilty of that because you'll find rules that aren't mentioned on the cards that aren't mentioned in their army list section. And if you go through the flavor text, oh, there's that special rule that I needed before though
to know it was there before. So yeah, you need to check plus there's some there was some there's a rules for the Nautilus, the dwarf, Nautilus we're actually misprinted and you need to check it on the dwarf Elite summary and they do have the, the chart for the P. Do when they fire the Torpedoes, it was incorrect on the first sheet on the first page but look at the second page it's been corrected.
So yeah, I think I think with the Aging rulesets, you know, you do a lot of mistakes do creep up and you need to check. Cool. Hey, what. We're talking Manowar, I'm all do this all the time, but I really want to plug the universal head unit cards in May there's a some graphic designer who has like a unit League of Extraordinary Gamers but he has sensible. Really amazing knack for rewriting rulebooks.
It might be better. And he did a or if you're an advanced space Crusade player, there's a there's like a full summary for advanced space Crusade what you did, but it's really beautiful document, but it actually makes the game really easy to understand and play which is quite an achievement, but he also created a full set of unit quads for the more efficient. And they're designed to be printed and laminated and then you can just can't damage with a
white board marker. So they're really clear. I think all of your run will be incorporated into them and they're also much smaller. See Marine that looks like your whole Fleet taking out the same amount of space as the actual official card template for the black Arc. It's really interesting. It's really good to design and it just makes the game Flow Away if they're really cool. Nice. Okay, well, I'll check it out.
I know they've been mentioned about that and I think he uses those, those templates as well, which is quite sad because I just spent an awful lot of money. Just buying, see a blood. Now, with all those templates, they're the ones I really wanted the to be honest. The scope is pretty huge computer. Space Crusade like space Crusaders. Just I shouldn't say just because people love it but it's like 40K. Right.
It's that, that is that level of complexity, Advanced space Crusade is like a full set of. I guess, Kermit rolls designed for fighting battles inside of a inside of a turn at Hive ship. And they're quite quite complicated and involved. So you can interrupt, you can take like with this reaction option. Pretty funky system and it works reasonably well, but it's built around the some really interesting campaign system. So there, yeah, it's a really
interesting game. It's got quite a funky system for exploring the hive ship, and it has a tactical support. It's got like a tactical display. So you have counters for each of you and units and then you've got like three axes of Advance within the hive ship. And it's it works really well as and it's kind of interesting because the current the tone of players under a lot of pressure to really conserve the unit That I'm start out with a lot. They kind of have to build them up slowly over time.
So and the the Imperial player Starts out with quite a powerful force. It's the there's quite a few motions where you're like just kind of trying to kill just like one or two to a neighbor's or one or two marines. Just slowly kind of burning them back whilst taking acceptable whilst his it's um it's pretty. It's a cool game and its really really good white dwarf. Cool content for it.
There are rules for attacking the hive ship with Orcs These swap out the Imperial player for a walk on the right, which is really cool and then they are there's roads for all Imperial Guard. So it gives it a really different feel So now I rate it. The only problem is the doors are quite graphic basically vagina. So when you set it up, you've got anything to people. Why you've got the little cardboard vagina. Read all over your playing area? That I'm, that's quite unusual.
I'm not sure how that. Got not steal GW not to come. Life is a cat like Isadora cancer right to Mark, which doors are open. I wasn't being normal doors. The color like sphincters or something. Yeah yeah yeah yeah we'll just imagine like Tina. Strange looks from possible eyes. That's something to look out for young game as I suppose.
So, all right, yeah, so yeah, hopefully, I'll get to play that white at some point because I know that Marcel has faced Crusade and I already said, you know, because we're doing this remote thing with he requested Advanced request. Let's get Space Crusade on the table at some point and we'll try that because I'd like to, I'd like to at least experienced it. I don't think I'll enjoy it as much as he requests but I'll just, you know, want to just
experience. I just Googled the doors did not actually as terrible as I thought maybe I was more self-conscious as a young person. They are pretty funny, so check them out. I know that I know the internal Graphics, the same in the catalogs. And I've got one here actually this is just around just a man he of that of that particular set and it's very vividly colorful like it's really well out there like you know, someone's someone's partaking in
some pretty wild. Yeah, it's boards up some kind of drug. The boards are pretty well to you, but you got recycled for some other games because there's Advanced space crusade in. A lot of the components were Rehashed full some yeah this business is another game I turn it. Attack is another big box game, which I think she has some components. Gloria is a pretty simplified. Yeah I'm just looking at them
intact. Now we recycled a lot of the cardboard components but with the really really simplified rules here so flag Gotcha. Okay. So yeah cheering attack came with like ultramarines and Mighty Warriors. I think it was called. Yeah, and dungeon Bowl. Yeah, that's the one. I think I'm just the Trove has got a really nice PD, if it walks. So if you're interested in doing some exploring of that rule set, definitely worth having a look at and the campaign. Yeah, I need to go there.
I was looking at trying to fill in some time last week at work and yeah, I'll definitely do that this way. Yeah, it's blocked. It work. Okay. Unfortunately, they went through my favorite websites and block them so that's not accessible for more time brother. Okay, well well on your phone, you can access the most Bose. But he probably probably Mike probably in my case to made a popular program that that whole computer software that. Yeah, yeah.
I noticed like over the last couple of weeks, the Trove has disappeared from work. What's good? Is being shut down? I'm trying to take it quite personally. Yeah yeah, yeah. Moving right along. It's good. Advanced space Crusade Manowar space. Anything else? Space Hulk. Mighty Empires Mighty Empires. Now, you were going to start doing something with the group with body Empires and we'll sort of decided that it wasn't disappointed.
Maybe some other time. That. Yeah, but we're doing all the time. That's fine. Yeah. Now we're doing cocaine. Marcel's really Kane I think Timothy's pretty King to do because we're all. So the old Hammer is enough confirm that age of board games and stuff like that. So I think we're pretty awful, pretty Keen to try it out and whoever else wanted to join in with us. But some what materials the roles I made were they really crap.
Okay, I'm glad we're not doing it then because I would have suffered and you'll announce of paying, you know, playing that being invaded and ransacked and yeah, I think their main defense would benefactor just no one wanted to wander into your ghetto Kingdom. Okay. Yeah. It was yeah it was in the mountains lots of barren terrain and they do ab Tony and kingdoms which were like just the most Rolls-Royce, the state's you've ever seen there was so loaded the seat up for that.
Game was quite blessed. Which randomly allocate those roles to the next game. Then someone's going to get that. All right, ready around lately, maybe randomly locate people in different areas and I definitely see out there could be a long and slow I photographed. It does sir, I was happy with. That was pretty funky. Okay. Yep. Yep. In more I think about it this week actually began talking to the guys on Discord and stuff.
There's so many good old Hammer Games you know which I you know I terms old Handler because it's sort of like late 80s that are so good. Like this such Classics that you know, I still believe long to play and maybe some I just missed out on. I've got Talos. Yep. You know, that's what 1986 or something. Mission and it's still one of the best ball games I've ever played. You know? And I've got kids playing here that they're 17, you know, Seventeen, sixteen Seventeen
plus. Yeah. Well, I've got two teenage daughters and one of them really likes. Talisman, sweet. That's the one game I play with her. And that quite a fan of the original dungeon Quest. So that's probably the only. I'm the only to war games. I play with members of my actual household. That's not too bad. Eh yeah I always thought Talisman looked absolutely terrible when I was a teenager as I will have a snakes and ladders.
What is that rubbish? Yeah, well yeah it's just a little too cool for school attitudes. It's very good. Yeah, I didn't I didn't realize, but it's kind of quite popular. Now way I picked up your talismans, play with my daughter when she was younger. It was a coffee, which came with them, a couple of expansions and stuff. All in one box.
And it was pretty awesome. And then I went to her like a local wargaming by cell a month ago and got a second copy of Talisman, because it came with the, um, the dungeons expansion Talisman The Dungeon That's so sweet more. Don't think we're going to be good, that's it. Simply that the grand total of 25 bucks. Yep, 25 bucks. Yeah. They're selling them. Yeah.
Yeah that's good. How much on eBay something crazy but I've got the dungeon and the Timescape expansion and boy oh boy, I wish I'd collected everything. When I had the chance back in the day like you know yeah like this look at you like a city expansion and you had like the there's like an overall expansion which had like different cards that you have when you reach the crown. No command. And you draw the card out, would come up with some kind of random ending or something like that.
Yeah, it's such a brilliant game. Such a brilliant system. Yeah. It's just such a shame that well, suppose, you could just pose, if you really wanted to, you can find scans of it and scan it, but that'll be pretty cheap and nasty. But if you can find some guy who print it for you, if you could find really decent scans like PDFs of it of the expansions and get some person to print it out. Yeah, Austin. Yeah, you can do it that way. You don't really need the boxes.
Yeah, yeah. And Trace me, I am death. When we're finished playing it with a plane up with the dragons expansion, Means the bullet tunnel goes out with dragons and kids pretty diabolical past. So it's fun with we'll keep that one. But now we've got like the slightly low power version which is just the base game with the dungeons expecting. It's that's one we playing for a while. Cool. Nice. Yeah, it's a great.
Great game. Yeah. Those those kind of games and I say that for most of the old Hammer Games, The Box games, at least that they just don't age, you know, you can play it, you know, 30 40 years after they've been produced and they're still good games. Yeah. So now you know, that gives me a
lot of Merit really. I think that's why a lot of people still hunting them down and paying huge amounts of money for them because yeah, they're still Blast that, you know, the things that all the games that they've tried to reproduce through Fantasy Flight. That kind of thing just aren't the same. So people looking for the original class. Yeah. Like I play a lot of different board games contemporary ones as well as the older GW both game. I can't I can't kind of work out
what it is, they like what? What is the percent? What's what's that? If you break down the appeal? In fact, people want to play them when they begin to take his
money for them. How much of it is the de great games, how much of it is like Just people kind of remember them from the cloud hood that Nostalgia aspect of its kind of, there's a bit of a balance and there like some I don't know, arguably put you hear people saying that like contemporary games that the mechanics involved in all these sorts of things but yeah and when I play them on enjoy them.
There's a lot of games from back in the day that I didn't play back in the day and want to play them. Now, I think the awesome so they must be doing something right. Yep. Yep. Yeah I feel the same. I've played some contemporary gangs from seen mine and and others and they've been fantastic. One of them being. Yep, Joan of Arc, have been Joan of Arc. The kennel Kickstarter that was a great game.
It's an awesome game. You know, I think those get those those kind of special games have, you know, along the got longevity to them, you know, you can play them for over and over. So many times multiple times in different concern areas with different people and that is never a bit older think, I think Talisman has that as well. It has a lot of replayability in that nothing's going to be the same. Except the one thing that husband is my daughter has to play the properties.
You know, that always going to be the same over and over again. Oh sure. Yeah, yeah. There's no doubt it's not possible in this league because prophetess because she was much younger and I think that was the the Stylee looking female character. And then after she played with the prophetess, she couldn't switch to other characters because it's just such a wildly overpowered. Official role that that character rocks. Yeah, so yeah, not we've got a
junior programmer. And the property is the deny the crown of command of talisman. Yeah, well, I think the one that can combine the strengths and crafts together is probably the best one. I think. Once that, is that the troll I can't remember one of those characters can combine their right? That's it. The prophet is dropped having Jaws 2 cards. Each turn what draw an extra card and chooses which one It's effectively, just never doesn't are which one is smashing, random events and less.
Yeah, really unlucky. Yep. Straight off the bat, I'm going to say don't even bother about sea conditions. Yeah, no, that's going to differences. I should go to differences. What's the difference? I use is really annoying, custom dice for the shooting, which is unnecessary. And for me that the map design had lots and lots and lots of straight corridors. So it's just a little bit lacking, the Third Edition is actually really good. It's um, The guard ruled they added is quite interesting.
It's quite fun. It doesn't break the game in any way. They did soften the scenarios, soften the missions. From what I've seen and the original suicide mission is to like. It's it's suicide mission, it's pretty heinous but, um, It's just incredibly incredibly simple Roos it which is free from ambiguity. and, Involves a lot of it as simple. What if this massive dog for a warding? Careful play and creating really kind of nail-biting situations The balance is perfect. The theme is awesome.
Yeah, I really love the components for the first edition. And I mean, the, the first to experience, the first expansion adds a lot to seek Nick. The second expansions, a bit of a bit of problematic beast, but it's a game that you learn the more you play it too, kind of the better you get at what, initially seems to be kind of totally impossible as becomes possible.
So I find when people expect. So it was like, man, there's no way no way this is achievable and then they kind of get better better at it. Is that sussing out actually how to complete missions and how to get things done. And then they think oh, the person playing the steel is basically to just drive and steal towards the Marine the Marines to kill. And then you realize it was actually like a really rich array of options and kind of tactics for the steel player uses.
Well and then it just the game flies a and it's incredibly fast. If you play with the climber, which makes it pretty awesome. Then we got to do so you can see it then if you're lucky and and it just flies a and so good. Okay, well I've got a question. Yeah, total, I love Miami.
That was my only problem with the game is that I just I just couldn't well in for the Third Edition set anyway because the Steelers are just Steelers and they have no range weapons and they basically just running towards the Marines, all the time. I just found it like a very boring, you know, very straightforward, way of playing playing a an army, so or a force I suppose it was just the
opponent in the game. So I think the Means have a lot more diversity and what they can do and weaponry and they're just more fun to play. But yeah. Did you find that as well? Or is it maybe just because of that condition and they didn't have the? Yeah, I think yes. And I kind of stuff that first edition had the enjoyment of the Steelers, don't need a range of units to be enjoyable. Like I personally think that Gene still expansion. Kind of misses the game up a
birthday. It's unnecessary. So I've The Psychic Rose mean it's just kind of becomes all about Library Librarians and Pegasus the hybrids are interesting but not really any Theory. I think that enjoyment playing steel is come from the fact that you didn't like money options and there's a lot of, there's a lot of decisions and a lot of to make about kind of timing.
When to reveal yourself, how to slow the Marine players, how to force them ring, glad to make kind of risky place there's yeah I think there's a lot of depth to steal. I had a played Okay, a lot of Hulk, maybe 300 ohms over the place of five years. With some, with one of my friends and he would just dumb, see that motions?
But he identify what he thought was, the kind of key part of the mission and then just play that, like, 30 40 times over the course of a week and just like, homeowners tactics. You turn up next week, thinking it had a little bit of a think about, okay. And he, I was interested interested in seeing how far he can kind of push the Steelers in terms of them. Yeah, making a little tricky, making life really hard for the Marine player.
So It's yeah, assistant with the it's a different Buzz, going Steelers and maybe it's not for everyone. But once you start mucking around seeing what they can do, dude, I found it really enjoyable. Okay, blessings for think we'll have to try that maybe when the get to get around to playing it again, but I think it's a good game for remote play too, because board games.
Generally are just good for remote play because of the squares or the prep parameters, where they can move and you have to worry about measure measuring or anything like that. So maybe we can get it on on a real house. I was kind of thinking about that. I don't know how well Hulk translates to remote play. The blood proteins have to be hidden from one player means that if you're the person board, maybe you have to play Steelers.
Yeah, which I'm happy to do. And then I guess, yeah, if you took away the time limit so that the other player could could explain carefully where they wanted their pieces to move. That, that would, that could work. But, yeah, that would be good. Yeah, I've got some, I've got access to something nicely painted steel is Terminators. They're not my own, but I'm sure I could borrow them if you want to play some games. I'll have to get a decent camera setup. Let's do it.
Right. Yeah just had your phone by that's all you need. That's that's all you need really to easy. But yeah, we got, we're going to play Advanced. He requests tonight with four players meet, like me being the fifth like as the GM. So, we're playing on Discord tonight. So I'm really looking forward to the guys at will be looking forward to it. So it's going to be awesome and it really works. Well, through through remote play on Discord, it works perfectly well.
So you can have, you know, multiple people joining the server that that particular voice Channel and even if you're not playing, you're not being a participant in it. You can just join the room and just look and watch as we playing it, so it's a really good. Yeah, Advanced hero Quest is a strange with me. So I really got excited about it and then suddenly I after a couple of games I realized that there's a huge break in the
game. And I after that, I was kind of does almost like no more pointing way. It's really critical for your enjoyment of the game that your party needs massacred horribly and has to retreat and the first two or three campaigns or to be Mission. If do the way the character advancement works. And the way that the fake points accumulate, I think if you get lucky and like, succeed in your first three motions, you become too kind of invincible deity's though.
It's liver problem. Yeah, I can see that definitely happening but it's up to the GM. How he's going to hear how he's going to moderate that and how difficult he wants to make it for the players. I mean I've got the scenario rules here and the monsters that are in the monster Matrix is or whatever, but I'm going to have a couple of little extra Monsters here that I can just Chuck in when I want to, when I think I was pretty easy for these guys.
Here you go. Try to tackle this guy, you know, he's got ten wounds is what, you know, toughness 10, you know. Just see it's just saying how you, how you got, how you can do and how you can deal with this guy because you want to challenge us as players, you want to challenge in your quests, you don't want to just be yeah. Flying through it without any. I think my frustration with the game comes with like comes with it as a solo. You expecting roles from whatever. It's called.
The one we found dead on the box, it's fast. It plays really well, but you can't, you accumulated. Snow fate points in once your characters and got three or four fate points. All of the kind of deadliness that makes the certain so good, really disappeared. But not, if you've got a GM who Wanna crank up the difficulty as needed, I think that wouldn't be a problem. Yeah, I think, I think that's what the way I'm going to do it.
And I think when Marcel, for example, will run his games in oldest Talent, you know, just because he's excused more table experience of running these games. And I am with Advanced to request from done, a lot of her equate Warhammer fantasy, roleplay sessions, that kind of thing. So, I think he's got a good understanding of how he's going to do it later on. But yeah, this would be a good test for me to get the guys under pressure under the pump and See.
See, you know, nothing. Coke connection difficult. They have to pay certain taxes or something like that, so it's always quite funny. But, yeah, that we look we look forward to doing my even though it might not be all the time, you know. I don't think it's a game that you could play every weekend. I think it's a game that you could play once a month and have fun with it for that. One session or twice a month or something and then play
something else. Mmm. Otherwise it's gonna completely random note. While we're talking about kind of box games, have you heard of a good engine degenerate? Yep there's a game called dungeon degenerate while company could gobbling Kyle. If you kind of like those classic TW bison games, it's really kind of an homage to those those games. A it was it was read recently like within the last kind of 45
years I guess I was excited. But now now things available to buy from them and it's um it's a really good kind of heroic Quest Style game. It's got a really good corner. It's got really consistent art Direction, the people who made it. I think a huge, huge Punk, want things, but they're also BTW like 80s GW fans and it's a lot of similarities they definitely worth checking out. Cool. My do that made.
You have a quick look at it. I was like, good Dungeon Crawler. I'm a big Dungeon Crawl fan. But admittedly, I don't have many games. I just hope he requested a transfer request civilians, but I'm I'm always curious to see things, like, massive darkness, by seamen games. That looks like a really good game. I really would love to try that. Groom Haven. There's another one that looks quite interesting to me the Warhammer QUEST card game that Fantasy Flight brought out many years ago.
I would love to try that. Just will have a quest as well. I've only ever really truly tried to. I've never played a full game of it so yeah. All those games are very interesting to me. Yeah, this is an impact cruel game going lately.
Start off in. Dungeon you starve in the dungeon of the main, the capital 30 and then you flip in the dungeon have all these Bizarre Adventures but it's got like the equivalent of the chaos waste, all those sort of classic locations, get a troop around them and a greater demon of zinj turns up and it's pretty wild. Oh, cool. Okay. Well, yes. If you let me, I'll send you a link Twitter as well. I hear that. This is pulling Joshua.
Let's call it a night. Thank you so much, Jesse free time and now it was good because kids able to look old games with some remote gaming. I would like to say that I'm hoping by December of every thousand points points of ox painted. So if anyone would like a remote game of war and fantasy battle fourth edition, Oxford son, did I think that's going to be hard planning to celebrate reaching that thousand points? Own. Can't be at night. I'll be definitely a into that.
Either of these final, I love fourth edition. Both armies, very interesting. So yeah, you just said, sounds good and maybe we'll get that hot going and swing from sounds good. Yeah, yeah, if you want to, we'll try it and we'll just try it, you know, just try remote because, you know, some remote games just don't work. And so all we can do is just try it and see how it goes and if it works. Then great. Yeah. That sounds good.
Now, that's all I've got to say. Thanks to everyone for all the painting and posting up. All the cool images it's been working to see that cause the crown working so well they I've been quite Blown Away by how successful it's been. and, Yeah. Yeah thanks for your help as well that Jesse you've done a lot of help with the with the Call of the crown. I left a lot of that to you on your shoulders mate because I knew I just wouldn't be able to do all of it so yeah yeah.
Yeah. I think often reply to the cool cool Crown collated call of crown related questions and The Chronic my Gmail. So if people are confused, why this getting random emails from someone, could you see That's um, that's me. I would be like hey how about this? I wonder like to think that you've got like two distinct. I did. So yeah, now I think someone calling Jesse other day. Maybe I think someone did. Yeah I think somebody. Yeah well now people have heard this podcast.
Yeah, we are to be convinced. No one could talk to them self for 1 hour and 20 minutes. JJ. That's what I'll take a merging, not no ice.