Magic in a Box

Hello and welcome to the crown of command podcast. Thank you very much for downloading our podcast and I hope you enjoy the next couple of hours as we discuss various things and topics related to why I'm a fantasy fifth edition and also other game systems from that era in our guest interviews. So without further Ado, let's get on to the show. Hi Justin, how are you going mate? Welcome back. Hi, Josh doing well, hi everyone.

Good to be back. And thanks very much for taking some time out of your weekend to come and speak to us and talk to her hammer. Yeah. Great to great to be back. How are things going on your side? Josh. Yeah, guy really. Well, they actually been pretty busy this week but yeah. I've been enjoying it though. How about you man? Good. Yeah, pretty good. You know.

I think we're all were all still stuck at home so I've been hoping to get a little more hobby time in, but probably not as much as I as I want on that side. But but yeah, no, I'm still hopeful we can we can sort of well, I can get a bit more done and then I think we still have our game. At some point in June, hopefully are the one that we talked about last time the the the Empire vs. The skaven match. So yeah, just trying to work on that and try to get ready for that one.

Yeah. Yeah mine was still looking really forward to it and you'll be disappointed in me just and I haven't actually painted any escape and since last time we talked so what have you been some of those to Javi up to? So what have you been working on? Josh Joshua since the last? I think it was three weeks, right? Since we last spoke about this. But that that maybe yeah about three weeks ago.

So I've been working on, just rebasing all my goblins night, goblins and Orcs, And I've almost finished it except for the Cavalry and so that's going really well. I'm really happy. I'm done that. And then I started doing the dwarves just this week and now rebasing some funders at the moment and I did some Warriors the other day. So yeah, maybe I've just been busy with that. Really He's doing a lot of

videos and doing daily videos. Now my channel, that's the crown of command podcasts on YouTube. If you want to check that out it's like a daily. I do daily videos maybe like for an hour every day and I put some other content on there, some Showcase from the community their Miniatures and that kind of thing. So if you're looking for some hero Hammer content, and you want to, if you get bored and you want to get, you know, some painting done or whatever come

and join me on the channel. How about you Justin would even have to mate? Sounds good. Well, I'm still working on my my Empire ahead of our match. So I finished the last three rights guard foot nights, that I mentioned last time I was working on. So now I have a unit of 10 which is not, not a big unit obviously, but I think it's sort of as a good start for for 1,000 points that we're going to play. So these are nice.

You know, these are The nice fourth edition metal ones, I believe came out in the early 90s, I think right up the I think right. Right. Appropriately for for our for Flora in the herald Hammer era, I believe and they're really nice through really nice models. So I finished the last three this week and then actually I today I just finished three shields for them. So I'm using actually Shields from a from the nights. Empire nights kit from actually six addition to plastic ones.

So putting putting those on just gluing those. On the wall, painting the Shields and then just going and onto the foot nights. So those are done. And then I think after that then I have to have a well, a couple more things I have to do. And, you know, sort of maybe halfway through 1,000 points or little over halfway through this 1000 points. Frankly, trying to decide what to do next. I can do some Mountain nights or I can do some hand Gunners which I think both I would need in

that battle against the skaven. So yeah, we'll see. Hopefully oh, I'll try to start something new in the coming week. Okay. That sounds good but it sounds like me really busy and you make me feel really bad now that I've actually been Skyping. So how many humming I got? How many goblins did you re based and what exactly what does it mean? When your rebasing, what have you been doing it with it?

Exactly. Okay, so if you're not familiar with what I've been doing, you can always head over to the hearer Hammer group on Facebook. And they've got pictures up there of my Goblin units. That I've been posting up over the week or so last week. And basically, all I'm doing is taking them off the original basis that they'll wrong. And, you know, I based the, he's probably back in the day of fifth edition. So they had some sort of, like grass Tufts and that kind of thing.

And some sort of course, and on the This is which I painted brown. And basically what I've been doing is replacing those bases with new basis and then putting gluing on some really fine, sand and then painting, over the top of that one, that's dry with some Goblin green paint, and then dry brushing that with some yellow, and some bags, like a very light yellow color over the top to capture that sort of saying feel as the models, pictured in that error

basically. So I've had a lot of fun with that. And been doing that with the goblins as well as over the aux or as well. And so now looking over at my cabinet. I've got all the Goblins finished and I've got all the Orcs finished bar handful about 10 Blackhawks. I need to finish off. And I've got a zeg the slaughter. I still need to finish off and one ball boy, I need to do and there's just the spider Spider Riders and the Wolf gobbled wolf wolf boys and they're done.

Sounds great. How many, how many night goblins and Orcs? Do you have actually not even an army? Well, actually with because I had had three Charities, I had grown the porch and I did him as well. So as one of the other characters, the other chair at character, and I to regular chariots, which I used the night, Goblin archers as crewman. For, I've actually decided to take those off and put them in white, normal metal night, Goblin units. So now I have 40 regular night

goblins in that unit. So it's like really nice and Big And Chunky and I really like big. It's a goblins when I filled them and the other unit is a unit of netters and clubbers. And they just 20 and I've got two of the Squig herders. I've got four squeak Hoppers and what else have I got? I've got six Fanatics. I've got scarcely can gobbler. I have to Doom divers. And I think that's it and pull the Orcs of got about 25 or Biggins 25 black Orcs. I've got five fork ball boys

over six or four boys. I've got four trolls, a giant, and the giant still need to be rebased. I need to do at some point. I'm working at a river troll that's in my, in my tutorials, at the moment. I'm working on that, which has been really fun to do and I think that's Betty White. Yeah that sounds that sounds

cool. Josh actually that's a big you got a really large collection of goblins and Orcs they're quite a bit of. Yeah, I guess it's quite quite a bit of work to rebase all of them but I'm sure they look, they, look really brilliant to be in those global government green basis again. Well, you know, just, you know, met all my, to make my life hard and difficult. And I certainly got in my way to do that with repainting minutes and I've already painted and what kind of Tough.

But I'll tell you some good news through the week, our friend Jimmy from the old world live podcast. Yeah, he reached out to me and said that he had some he was working on a really old school or Goblin Army and he showed me pictures of stuff that he had in his collection, which is really impressive. And he had some Forest goblins.

He said he proved would never paint and I said, wow, I'd be really interested in those if you don't, you know, if you don't need them or want them, you know, I don't have, I don't have, I've never had the not the forest Goblin infantry before. So you have will come to some agreement. On some kind of trade deal at some point and he will send those over when all the all the international shipping or freed up. So I look really forward to getting those 20 or so off him, so be awesome.

Well that's that's really awesome. I she yeah you love to love to see those and yeah those are I think those are really rare these days, right? Find those old Force goblins, very rare to find like 20 or more in an enlightened groups say like in a bunch to buy all at once is like really, really super rare. So I'm really, really thankful for his generosity and letting me know about that because, you know, he's got some really beautiful ministers in these collections.

So, to let some of them go as Really awesome of him. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I think we've been seeing some of the work that they've been doing on Instagram actually, so that's really neat. Yeah, they're doing some really good work to be someday. Maybe we can we can play a game together. We'll see ya mites on the bucket

list. So Italy, Spain Port was a Poland, Canada. The UK, the US Australia and New Zealand. So yeah, they're all added to the bucket list of places that I want to go. Like if we ever win the lottery, I'll just slide take like six months or a year to just travel around the world in this play games. It brought all the friends, I know on Facebook that I've met through the groups and all that kind of thing, and different conventions, and all that kind of stuff. The awesome.

Yeah, that would be really would be a dream. I would love to do something like that too bad at the time and money, actually. Yeah, well maybe, if you're nice, I'll give you some money to take. Take a year off and you can come, we'll come around with me. Yeah, it's more and more of a Time by can take, take the time off my job and I'm sure I would I would do it. So when when are you going to start the this game in there? What's what's the what's the you have to have a plan on that?

Well, Mike this is this really good question and, you know, I've had to look at what I've been doing and what All this stuff. I've got to my pain table is just sort of amassed so much that I've, you know, Prime stuff up. Got to stop ready. I've got all this, all these Miniatures on my table and none

will be finished. And it's been sort of a problem that I've got a trying to manage my time better in trying to finish off projects, rather than trying to start stuff up and never So basically the escaping her on my table and they're half painted, I've just got to finish them off and get them done and put it in the cabinet. So, you know, it's it can be done in a week easy, you know. So I've just got to motivate myself to get back into it and get them, finish me.

You're going to, you can paint them all in one week. Yeah. Easy easy. How many, how many do you have? How many are you planning to paint? Well, to finish my thousand points. I've only got one, two, three, four, five, six six guys. Seven, guys, I think seven. Okay, that's not too bad. That's that is, you could probably do that in the week. I thought you were talking about the whole 1,000 points in a week which would be, which would be amazing. That's why I've already got a

bit of an advantage over you. In that sense that, you know, already got a lot of Stuff already done. So, basically, yeah, I'm looking at them right now. I'm going to start painting while we're talking. That might be a good idea. Actually might get my, my mojo back on for the scheming and I'll do that one chatting to you. But yeah, that's it. That's it. Just seven guys. And I'm back to my thousand points completed me. Good. That's that's really good.

I think I have about at least 20 25 more to go to to get to 1,000 points. Climbing some some characters. So we'll see how that goes. Well just yeah, I'm going to keep pestering you and you have to pester me to get these

finished. Yeah. And this keep hammering at you all the time to get to get your models and nothing's nothing like a match to kind of motivate motivate me. Otherwise normally I would probably move on to one of my other armies or some other recent Miniatures. I bought to work on those so there's quite a few that I'm quite a few other things. I'm quite tempted to do some point this year but for now Got to go to stay focused. Yeah. Yeah. It's I know it's a big thing.

Like we talked about it so many times before with other people to it's like a massive commitment to paint an army and I can I can and I can totally understand why people would not be willing to jump into something like Warhammer, even if they're coming from, like outside coming in for the very first time will be like pretty daunting to see how many models you have to need to actually paint. Yeah, but it's a labor of love so we do it because we love it,

we love the game. Okay. So did you buy anything mate recently? Did you buy anything like Raven? Well, I got I think I don't remember if I talked about the steam tank I got last time but you might have I shared a photo with our group about that. But yeah in case I didn't talk about last time. Basically I bought a old. I think it's probably like a fifth edition steam tank in metal.

It's still in the box. It's been open, but it's basically, I think pretty new and unknown not yet assembled or painted, of course. But yeah. That's, that was my recent acquisition. And I look forward to while putting that together and and, and, and, you know, having it joined. As, you know, might not be part of once the 1,000-point force. But, you know, as it grows, as the Empire Army grows this route will Be a part of it, and it's quite interesting.

I think I have, I actually have an one of the newer plastic, 8th Edition, steam tanks to. And I have this one. This one's a lot smaller than the 8th Edition plastic one, but it's, it's quite interesting, actually, the quote, quite well designed model different slightly has a different look, but a really nice one. So, yeah, I look forward to putting it together at some point. Should be should be, should be fun. And just one word of advice mate. Don't drop it? No I think.

No, I'll be very careful with it. I think I think this one is really a gem actually because it's it's never been assembled before so it's practically new. So I'm really excited to to work on it. Yeah, so I saw the pictures you showed in a messenger group and it's all in the in the original box. It's really cool to see that. Yeah, so that was actually released in fourth edition that was released for the Army book before that 4th Ed so yeah, it's a real gem that one.

And I'm really glad you got that because that's really a beautiful model and in the photographs in white doors and battle reports, you can actually see their have got the, you know, the Gunner that sort of sits in the turret there at the top of them. Yeah, some photographs is actually placed in there and some photographs he's actually taken out and they close the hatch and on the top of the steam tank to. So it's a really, really nice

model that. Yeah. So it's, can I ask you, are you going to paint it in the classic colors? I'm not sure yet. Actually, I haven't, I haven't really decided, how am I gonna do it? I have to think about it. I mean, it's sort of I want it to fit into the theme of the army over also which is a reich's as you know it's like a reich's guard Army. So white and red are the sort of the primary colors but you know if I do everything and that it's

maybe a little bit boring. So I'm going to try to mix in some other units. So far of the rights guard units which are red and white primarily at some I might do some of the hand Gunners or other units and all outdoor sort of colors, which are red and white and with some yellow highlights. So yeah, maybe the maybe the same tank will be along those lines red and white. It's a bit a bit of yellow. So we'll see.

I'll have to I'll have to think about this very carefully because yeah, I don't know how you feel but when I get a nice model like that, I sort of sometimes hesitate to paint it and thinking that I could, you know, well Peak because it's really a commitment, right? Once you put colors on it.

So you have to think carefully about what you want to do, and make sure I kind of works with the rest of the army but also has sort of the character But but yeah, what are the what are the classic colors that usually go on? And then what would you what would you recommend? Well if you know if I'm going to paint one which I eventually, I hope I will be able to do for my own Empire Army.

I'm going to do it based on the box color so like the box art studio color scheme so it's like blue and red and white. Is that like the outdoor color scheme? Yeah. Yeah, blue and that blue and red is like the outdoors color scheme. It's also what the think, what the emperor car frowns and sort of his Is its cloak and some his uniforms are in that color. So, yeah, so it's blue and red with some white and yellow highlights. I think that's that's how normally that's how it is. Cool.

Like I. So, yeah, I really like the original color schemes. That's the end. I think it's like, in my mind painting it like an alternative color scheme to sort of break something my mind when I see that kind of, you know, those classic models. They have to be painted in this the original color color scheme for the studio. Yeah, I think that's. Yeah. Might be made might be something like that. I will do. But we'll, we'll see. I'll try to get the rest of it.

Together. First and see how I fit in. So I'm just letting you know, I'm packing escaping right now, great. So Joshua would it would have you acquire anything else recently make? You sure you want to know that you got time. So there's a lot like you go. So what are some of the so you've been really busy getting stuff, huh? Well, I have been well, in a sense, I haven't spent a lot of money on stuff, which is good, cause I don't have any money.

So it's been really good to having to trade things with people online and that kind of thing. So, basically recently, I was chatting with some guys, in Australia. So, shout out to the old Hammer, Australia group, really, Bunch really good. Got a bunch of guys there and the trading section there and

they always help me out. And and I try to do likewise so I've managed to pick up Felix which is got Rick's heterosexual life partner, which I have, I have got Rick, thanks to my mate, David in the states and then I didn't have Felix.

And I thought, wow, I'm not gonna probably, you know, it's getting really hard to get just that one minute because they're sold as a set and no one wants to sell, just the Felix, but luckily, in the sale that came up recently, so, One had to spare Felix. I jumped on that so quick and managed to manage to get it. So I paid for that and that's on its way. Apart from that, I've got some really nice books. I've Got The Siege brick proof Edition as well. And I've got a Celestial wizard.

I got I got a really nice book in the, it's like an illustrated Guide to the old world, which is a book I've never seen before. It was released around the time, the fifth edition, and I've never seen it before, and I just saw this picture of it. And I thought, wow, that was awesome. So I started hunting hunting around for it on sales groups and get a guy Dan in Australia. Thanks, Dan. If you're listening, he was very kind enough to let go of his

copy. And so I bought that and I'm really looking forward to getting that. So I can just look through the pages of all the amazing artwork from that period. David and and I don't really want to know anything about it because that's all I wanted to be a surprise when I get it. So it's something like really knew. What else I got epic Space Marine, chaos Renegades box, set with a whole heap of Miniatures, all still in their box boxes like all the Infantry and all

that kind of thing. All the demon engines for it. Mostly what else that I get? I got some like holy Valley books that are in the UK at the moment, which I'm still waiting for to be shipped over because of all the they're Frozen, all the international shipping at the moment so I can't get those yet. I got Chronicles of War which has been one of the books have been really highly sought after and I finally my mate in the UK finally acquired one for me.

So that's been really cool. That's basically like a book based on all the battle reports and white dwarf magazines in the fourth edition. Error. So, I've got that. I've got some blood Bowl figures, like some cheerleaders and some star players. I got some more manner. Warships for the Heil Fleet got you like that? Great ship, thanks to Ben in Australia. So I'm going to give that to you Justin when it comes and some more plastic, plastic Empire, ships account what they're called.

But they're like the small Small ones that you get with the base set, so they'll give you the start for a little Empire Fleet for you. What else did I get? That the are and some guy? Yeah, today I got a message out of the blue from Daniel Hopkins. I think that the guys name is a really lovely guy. He sent me a message today and said, oh, I heard that you are trying to start a high Elf Army and I've got this elf Ariane on Griffin and it's missing of the

left claw. But, you know, if you want it, I will send it to you and I thought. Wow, that's that's like super generous. I'll be that's brilliant. So now I'm just trying to find a left claw. So if anybody has one spare in their bits box that they don't need, please get in touch with me, through the podcast email, or through my Channel at the

crown of command podcast. But, yeah, I've sort of put my feelers out there in the trade groups online and the Facebook groups, to see if anybody would have one or if they can cast me up, one in green stuff or something like that. So, That's like super generous look, Daniel. And I thank him very, very much for that. And I'll send them some brushes or something like that in return for that. Let's see what else and those night goblins from my friend, Jimmy open Sweden there.

I think there's more stuff Justin but I've actually forgotten what they are. I've actually forgotten what I've got. That's that's how much stuff I've got over the last few months. It's been, it's been terrible. But it's been good. Fun. I enjoy it but I've been Liquid. I haven't spent a lot of money, honestly. I've been doing a lot of trading that kind of stuff, so, that's great. Actually have a choice. Something else. Sounds like these trading groups

are pretty pretty active. Actually, you can still get a lot of interesting things for them, that's that's nice. Get up. There are Bargains to be had. I mean, you just have to be patient. I mean, it's just, it's just like a waiting game. I think, and you decide to be good to be there at the right time, right place. Oh, that's it. Remembered, I've got some more plastic high of spearmen that's thanks to Dan as well in Australia.

And I got a, The Marauder high of command Group, which I don't have yet. So that's awesome. I've got some new high off Shields as well, from Dan. So, thanks again, Dan for that, because I'll be looking for those two. All my high off spearmint, guys.

There is more and I know there is more, I just can't remember what it is, but there's bits and pieces in in my house in Australia that my parents have been accumulating for me in a box and basically they'll send it over when everything's cleared up. Again, I'd hate to think what the shipping cost is going to be so like $100 or something that yeah, it'd be cool. Want to get it though? That's it. Mate. That's that's where I'm going to leave it.

Okay, sounds good. Well, that's Yeah that's that's that's a lot of a lot of neat things actually. All right dude. How about we get to the meat and made of the show? Let's get into. What happened magic? Yes, so-so. Well I'm I'm not as familiar with Warhammer fifth edition magic. So I think, what I'll what we can do is probably all ask you a few questions about it.

You can tell me a little bit more about how it works because it's, it's actually quite different from some of the later additions in terms of how you how it works, the mechanics of it. But also also the model, just the things that you To play with it, right? So you have a card set and instead of just ice in that, that sort of thing. So it's actually quite quite different and quite quite unique from what we from what we can see. Yeah, what? Yeah. So so how so yeah, maybe let's

start from the top. So how does it? So does it come of the? So does it come in the box set? Or how does it, how does it work in the in the starch? It's like a separate magic set, right? Okay. So yeah. Let me just give you a bit of an overview for people who. I'm sure a lot of people are familiar with this particular magic set that was available from the start of the fourth

edition. But to give you a bit of a background to the history of magic in the Warhammer, rule sets from first second and third magic was as like a dice based system that was included in the rule book and there was no additional sets required to To be able to use magic but from 4th edition. You of course, you know, you bought the initial box set which gave the rule book. The battle block, a few magic items that you equip your

characters with. But as far as magic was concerned, it was actually an entirely separate set that you bought individually. And then in that set you have another rule book covering magic. You would have your spell cards for all your different various colleges for the empire. And all the other different race specific spells and you'll have these very unique cards called The Winds of magic cards. And now, this is, this is for

the fourth edition set. And when fifth edition came out, they released another magic set to update, any of the FAQ that might have been might have been an issue in the previous Edition, but generally, the 4th and 5th edition. It's very, very similar, maybe, with a few exceptions, to some magic items that were taken out or added from fourth to Fifth and the but anyhow, but we're just going to talk about the fifth edition magic rules and how it works.

And you know, if you play fourth edition, you know you were you'll be very familiar with it. If you don't, then the, the way it works is very, very, very Very similar. So basically, each wizard in your army when you, when you purchase one out of went in your, in your roster will have a level between one and four. Okay? So level one wizard will have one can have one spell level to can have 2, 3, 3 & 4 & 4. Okay?

So now that your wizard has a particular number of spells, you will allocate a random spell to that wizard For the game begins. So for example you know you bring your Empire and you bring your amethyst Wizard and he's level 2 and the deck will have I think 10 spells in it from memory. Okay. And then we'll randomly distribute to spells out of that 10 and you'll keep those spells. You cannot decide to throw them back in and redraw you just keep

those spells. That's it, that's your actual lat or you can choose from the battle magic deck. So there's two decks open for the Empire right there. Got a battle magic deck and they have their particular College of magic dick. Perhaps. They can choose between one or the other. I'm not particularly 100% sure, because I've never used an Empire wizard. I think they have to choose one or the either. I think that's that's how it

works. So you've been allocated your spells for the game, then you have the In the magic cards. Now the wings of magic cards come in various different types. The most common one is the power card. Now there are 22 Power Cards in the deck, okay? So the Power Cards enable you to power up your Spell's. So for example, you're a wizard that you take in for your entire Army, has a spell that it requires to power.

So when you come, when you when it's your magic Faye and when it's in your magic phase, you can then try to attempt to cast that spell. And you would, you know, expand And to power to cast it. Yeah, okay. So that's how a power card works. The other cards are a total power card. Now, you only get one of those in the deck and total power is as the name suggests, it's a card that allows you to cast a

spell that cannot be dispelled. Okay, so doesn't matter what you throw that you can't you can't distill it. Anyway, it just works and that's it. You've got eight to spell cards. So these dispel cards allow you to spell spells during the game, okay? But they're not automatic. You have to make a roll and based on the level of the wizard. So you have your second level and at this wizard, I bring my second level necromancer. Example. Okay, so you cast one, you go spells, use it to power and I

say OK, I want to dispel that. So I use my de-spell card and then I can roll. I need to roll a 4 or more because our levels are even they're both the same. Okay, so if I rolled for more, then, let's, dispel, that's it. Okay, then you got one mental Jewel card. Okay, this card is a special kind of, dispel it functions.

Exactly like as dispel but in addition to dispelling, the spell both Wizards have to roll a D6 D6 and add their magic level and the person who rolls the highest in flicks one wound on The adversary, the other wizard. Yeah. No armor say was allowed against the wound, but magical Wards and other special saves can say, okay, so that's at their only, there's only one of those cards in the deck. Now, there's one destroy spell

card in the deck as well. So at this card is also a special kind of dispel it functioning fun things functions exactly why I could spell card. But also, after having successfully dispelled the cut the spell You roll another D6 on the 454 more. The spell is not only dispel, but removed permanently from the Wizards hand in effect, the spell is destroyed so you can destroy the spell completely you. It also comes with one rebound spell sorry, one rebelling rebound special card from your

wings of magic. So this this is a also a kind of special de-spell card. It works exactly like a spell card but this time What if you successfully dispel the spell? It gets rebounded back towards the caster. So you can see you can successfully. If you successfully rebound, the players spell, you can cast a spell up to the same power value know that the rebounding player does not have to expand his own power cars at all. So the enemy's own power is rebounded in the form of a

spell. The enemy May dispel the re powders spell by using a dispel or other counter Magic card in the normal manner. So so your amethyst wizard cast a spell with three. Okay. I use rebound so then I roll my dice to. Dispel it. Yep. Successfully the spells it. I choose one of my spells of the same power and I cast it back to you without having to spend expand any power cards and then you get a chance to dispel that

spill bit complicated. But nothing you get the general idea and there's one drain Magic card. So this drain Magic card is quite powerful because it automatically dispels the spell being cast except for solar power. Plus all spells currently in Playa de spilled or magic cards held by both sides returned to the deck and immediately. And the magic phase has ended in addition on a D6 roller before, plus the magic level of the wizard. Using, the drain magic is

reduced by -1 wizard. Losing a level must surrender, a spill obvious choice. So that he may sorry. He has no more spells than permitted by his magic level. A wizard can be reduced to less. Of zero and still continue to use counter magic that have reduced below zero. He's automatically killed. Wow. It's quite nasty. So don't use that with a level one. Wizard and then died as a result of failing that that wrong. So yeah, that's quite that's

quite nasty. Like it's really good in that you want to just drain everything that's on the table and everything that's in play. But you've got that risk of reducing your own level and and then, as a Secuence. Losing one of your Spell's at random and the last card last special card in the winter magic deck is an escape card.

So this card is useful to keep until you need it if you if it can be played at any time as soon as one of your Wizards is killed, the wizard is returned to life with a single wound and immediately placed anywhere within six inches of the players own table Edge. So that's a really good one to keep as a reserve because with the with the winds and magic cards and each phase you And hold up to one card per wizard in your army, and you keep that sort of face down on the table.

So if you get that escape card, it's probably best to keep that reserved on as one of the cards on the table. Just in case, something happens to you wizard, he dies with some, you know. Unexplainable. It's possible reason. And you can use that escaped to bring him back to life straight away. So they're all the winds are magic cards. I hope that was fair explanation of how that all works. So, Just going through the basic way, how to cast magic in 5th

edition. So the turn sequence would be 21 cast the player declares that he is casting. One of his Withers spell. The spell card is laid out on the table together with a number of power cars required to cast it or the total power card. If this cut if this is being used. Okay. So for example, you know, you always a cast, third level spell, he uses three cards and you put that on the table.

So that way you know your opponent knows exactly what's Billy's casting and how much its cost to cast to counter the opposing player may attempt, to counter the spell, using a counter Magic card. The player can add additional Power Cards from his hand to boost the chance of success as explained below. Okay, so for example, you cast that three level floor 3, power spell. I have a de-spell card. I put that on the table. So yeah, I'm going to dispel that your level to.

I'm level two. So it's a four plus two, the spell. But I want to boost that spell that dispel by another two cars. For example. So then I'm rolling a two class to dispel that. Yeah, then in number three, reinforce the Caster can expand further power to reinforce his spell. Decreasing his opponents chance of dispelling, as explained below, note that the dispelling player has to put up all his Power Cards before the Caster decides whether to reinforce it

reinforce his spell or not. So that the stops the counter the counter that the opposing player has that. He can't just say I'm currently going to use one power card to reinforce it, then the Caster boost it then. Can't put any more cards down to reinforce it. That's it. You played your hand and that's that's it. So it's bit of a poker poker face sort of phase going on here with the cards, okay?

So once we've determined, you know, how much you're boosting it by, how much you're reinforcing it by. Then you get to roll. If the spell is successful, the successfully counted and it does not work. The spill cannot be cast again that turn but it can be cast thereafter as normal. All cards use to cast or counter, the spell are returned to the winds and Magic deck. If the spell has been counted by a card other than dispel then proceeded to work out any further effect is described for

example, drain magic or rebound. The spell succeeds. If the spell is not counted, then proceeded to work out, its its effect as described on the spell card. The spilled cannot be cast again, that turn if it remains in play or last one turn the card is left in place to show to show this. So all cards used to cast or counter the spell. I returned to the whims of magic

dick, okay? And then the last step, step 5 cast again, the casting player, selects a wizard and declares Is casting one of his remaining spells. This spell is cast and can be counted as before the player continues to cast spells in the same way until he until he decides to stop runs out of power or runs out of spells to cast and that's basically how magic Works in this Edition.

So you know, the more the more, the more Wizards you have, the more spells you'll have access to depending on their level, of course. And to roll for the winter magic cards. How many you get you rolled to D6 at the in the magic phase? And you know, for example, if we rolled a seven, okay, for a magic phase, then I would distribute. The first card to the casting player first. So he always gets the odd and odd card. Basically, always gets more than

the opposing player. And you know from those cards from those winds magic cards, you know the Caster then follows their steps and you proceed until you run the cards, you can always reserve a car that as I mentioned before. So maybe have a total power card that you want to use next term. Like if I'm if I'm the opposing player, okay? And you're casting your Spell's this turn. I might get total power and think. Oh, cool. Okay, I'm going to reserve that.

Put that put that to the side because I can have one per wizard that I can. In reserve.

And the next term that I've got, that total power in reserve to play with with my spells and next term, I think I think that's basically it and you know, the particular special dispels, you know, work differently depending on what they are and you know, you don't have to cast all your Spell's, if you don't want to, you don't have to use all your power that you don't want to. You can reserve some of those cards in your hand from turn to turn.

Yeah, and I think I think that's basically it made me really. Do you have any questions? Which is would you say it's pretty magic is pretty predictable and fifth edition. Like you can. I mean, you know, one of the things that people say about Warhammer through all the additions on Magic is sort of how predictable it is, and were how it fails you and how unpredictable it is.

And, you know, there's a lot of different opinions out there about which Conditions and that sort of thing, you know? Having for instance, I play 9th recently and one of the, one of the interesting things I notice about bad was that they brought the card system back. Actually, that you mentioned that was from 5th edition but it works in a very different way.

Instead of drawing you have a set number of cars that you play and and essentially, you know, it's an attempt to make magic very predictable and in a way that you can, you know, everybody here, At least cast the stern number of spells that you want to cast. But how does it? I mean we played a few games obviously Joshua but generally you've you probably played a lot more games.

I have a fifth edition but is it is it pretty, pretty predictable, in terms of what may be predictable is not the right word but Dependable in terms of the magic that you want to use, or is it really there's a lot of luck involved in the system. I think it really depends on on your drawer of cars because there are 27 cards a lot in the winter magic. So I liked it and that you know. Okay. It's and it's reshuffled I

forgot to mention that before. So if at the end of every magic phase, you take all the cards and you reshuffle it back into the deck, okay? So using a Fresh Deck every turn, so you've got that chance of drawing those. That part out that the total power card or any other special to spell cards every turn. So in that sense, it makes it a bit unpredictable as to what you're going to get.

But also exciting. So I really I really like the magic system in fourth and fifth and I think that's one of the main points that distinguishes it distinguished distinguishes. This set from other mahama editions is that I enjoy playing with the cards. The window magic cards I enjoy having my spells on cards. I generally like Like having cards in games, generally miniature games, I enjoy having

that card element added as well. So, maybe that's just a personal thing for me. You know, other people may like the die system that's found in other editions of the game. I think that's just a real personal thing. I guess, for a person who is coming into the game like who've never who's never played 5th edition of what it should be for, it could be a little bit difficult. All because I think we'll how am I going to get the cards?

Where can I find them? You know, I've got to go eBay and sort of you know try to track them down. And is it going to be like a complete set, you know, blah, blah blah. And that's, that's fair enough.

Like, I can understand those concerns and luckily, I'll just mention now that in the group in the group of the hero, hammer and metal Hammer, I uploaded all the, all the Winds of magic cards up there in the file section and all the spells for 5th edition, I built and fourth edition to actually in all the templates, or spell templates. So if you ever wanted to try, you know, fifth edition magic or fourth edition magic, you can download all those, all those cards and print them out, stick

them in some kind. Add sleeves, get the book as a PDF on either online somewhere. There's heaps of places like the trobe, for example, they have all those books online, so you can easily try. Try the game out, try to try the try, the magic system out, so it's still very accessible, you

know, still very playable. Yeah. So, for me, for me personally, I think it's, it's what makes the magic Magic phase, very exciting and I found it quite dull and boring with the dye system in, for example, a tradition when I played, when I tried that a couple of times and I just didn't like it at all. So, but yeah, again, it's a really personal thing. You know, you might like the Dye System, I don't know your preference at all, Justin.

But maybe you like both having having both systems that you know, make it quite variable and different. Yeah. So that's that's my take on it anyway. Yeah, I think I think the cards were frankly. I said I don't have a strong opinion on that. Actually I actually like the, I like the cards actually played with them. I mean yeah, I mean it's interesting a lot of as you know a lot of modern games have brought cards back into the into

the game. So you know having having sort of more things to play with actually is a good thing. And the, you know, the randomness of it actually, well, some randomness of it actually made, it actually quite fun as well. So so yeah, I thought it was a thought it was a fun system but the ice is, I mean, yeah. I mean, dice those hazards sort of own way of playing. It's just a different way of playing.

I guess, if you if you play to a certain extent, people have strong preferences one way or the other. But, but yeah, no. I mean, I think, I think the cars are actually quite Nice. Actually. Having the spells on the cards are actually quite quite nice as well. So that's sort of, that's a nice. I thought that was a nice nice feature as well. Yeah, and just to reiterate, I've just got the contents of the box here, and I'm sorry, it was 36 wins and magic cards. You get in the set.

There are seven, spelled X. There's 20 battle magic cards and battle magic cards, Cobra, tonyia Empire. I think also Undead, I believe they can they have access to battle magic. Lizard-men have a access to battle magic and so do High Elves. You got ten, why magic cards you got 13 made scheme and magic cards. 10 high off magic cards, 10 dark magic cards, 10 necromantic, magic cards, 10 cast-off magic cards and also you've got let's see how many 225 magic item cards.

So, I'll say that you get 225 magic item cards. So that's, that's another. Another thing I haven't actually touched on in this Edition yet is that you have an awesome, okay? Goodnight darling, but by my son's going to bed, sorry, good night. Okay, so yeah, 225 magic item cards which I think again makes this make this Edition quite unique and fourth edition for that matter to because I think they just from 6th edition.

They just got rid of Holy the magic magic items and they limited it to a very small degree in the Army books and a few generic items in the in the rulebook I believe. So, yeah. Got a huge amount of magic items you can choose from to make it to, to increase the flavor of each game to make it more varied and different. Yeah. Hey there just yeah sorry we're talking quite a lot. So yeah. Basically there's a there's a lot of magic in this sense.

What? So I was going to ask you what's one thing that you like, what's your favorite thing about the magic system? Well, let's make it fair, let's say the most favored element of it and then the your least favorite element of it. Well, I've got to say the big buzz for me in the magic. Phase is getting that total power car because once you once you get that card, you know that you've got that third level spell, that's so difficult to

get off. And that, that total power means that nothing is going to stop it. You know, it's going to go off and you're going to kill stuff and you're going to see a magic happen. I think from our games that we've had so far and maybe some of the bad rep that these additions get. Is that magic is really overpowered. I don't think it is. I really don't. I have not seen magic really dominate games in my opinion.

I think I think maybe with certain magic items you can kind of exploit casting spells for free or having them go off automatically and that kind of thing. But yeah I think without those I think just as just magic as it in its purest form, using the wizard magic cards. I Think you're getting that getting off the total power card having that is just awesome especially being a dwarf player,

okay? I don't have a lot of access to Magic normally, so having the Anvil of Doom, having total power and letting all those bolts rip off and you know, and and sort of, you know, sizzling things left, right? And Center is quite a cool feeling. Yeah. So for me, yeah, for me, that's cool. I love having the spells on the

cards as well. So yeah, I think magic is always been really quite exciting, quite an exciting phase for me really and I think fourth edition because fourth edition what makes it little bit different from 5th edition is that in the magic phase? Both Wizards are casting spells. So it gets really quite, you know, quite nanak in the, in that, in that phase, when fifth edition, they decided that only the person whose turn it is can cast magic.

And the person who isn't he was the opposing player, can only dispel Magic. And so and we haven't we haven't tried fourth edition magic and I've got the set here. So we should try that one day and just see how it goes. I think we quite cool, but you can do that with 5th edition to you can, you can play in both players phases as well. They give you some alternative ways of playing the magic set in the rulebook. So don't you've got a few different modes, you can try out.

To to sort of bury things up a bit and make it a little bit more spicy and that sense. Cool. Yeah. Okay, we should. Yeah, we should, we should, we should probably explore this further as we play more games. See, how see how it works? I think it, I think it would be be quite neat. I guess there are certain combinations of characters and magic items that are probably quite powerful.

Although, I don't, I wouldn't Know what they are at the moment, but I guess if I knew them and then they're probably some pretty powerful and popular combinations out there. Yeah, I think for your cause you play on dead. You've got the, you've got Necromancer necromancer's and you got vampires, which really truly powerful in the game because they can actually choose their spells. Whereas all the other, all the other races, all the other factions, they have to get cards dealt randomly.

So as a, as the Necromancer, I'm going to Undead player, you can actually go through all your spell decks and just choose exactly what spells you want. So you can tailor your spell deck how you want to play it. So that makes Undead super powerful. So yeah, some of the factions have some different kind of rules like you know obviously all can goblins have like a wire test or a dinner if they fail their their dice while they have to roll in The Headbangers.

Charred, I think most people are familiar with that from various Traditions, that that is sort of didn't change from from there on in. Yeah, the High Elves can use, I think they can use to spell cards as Power Cards. I think it's the is this a little trick that they can they can use and I think necromancers or dark elves have some other kind of little Quirk they can use the power cards and different kinds of ways but look don't let me try to confuse it

with the magic. I would just recommend trying to find it on one of as a PDF if you don't have the book go and grab it, download it, read it. It's a really nice book to look through. It was wonderful illustrations from some of the famous That time in there as well. And it's a thrill, the magic items because the magic, I didn't quite cool to just, like to see all the different effects. If you're not sort of familiar with the magic items in this Edition.

Plus, they've got some really great tables in the back as well. So you've got like a like an index of all the magic items in there. You've got an index of all the Spells so like if you didn't actually have the spell cards, you can actually just roll like a d-10 or D12 depending on the particular Type of spell, and you can just write them down in the book and randomize them that way. So, that's really quite handy.

But yeah, mate. That's, that's basically my rundown of magic and 5th edition. If anybody's got any questions about it. If they, if they're sort of unsure about how it works or for the different Tickler races, then I would suggest either, you know, you can either email us and we can get back to you on some some answers. Or head over to Facebook.

You've already on Facebook. Go to the hearer Hammer group, and ask the guys there because they're very knowledgeable about this and probably a lot more knowledgeable about magic than I am. So pleased and Trust in their advice. Yeah. But yeah, mate. Any other questions? Well, it sounds good. I think we should. Yeah, I'm sure we'll come back to this topic again.

As we play, a few more games, and I'll certainly share my impressions, as a relatively new player, a fifth edition, and And in terms of how how I see the magic work and sort of, yeah, look forward to doing that and I'm sure we'll we'll try to share some fun stories as well in our games when we get back to playing them you know, my moves are blows himself up and takes half the unit or something like that. I will share those stories as well.

Things have, really, really fun things happened during our games, Yeah, I don't think any of my Goblin shamans head Derek's head explode yet, I'm sure that's going to happen anytime soon. The more I play that the more, you know, the, you know, the probability of actually happening is quite high. But yeah. Shut like no golden shamans, or the other, all the other organ Goblin shamans are quite fun to take, for, in that respect.

But yeah, there are some quite, you know, fun sort of incidents that happened in Magic from time to time. So yeah, we hope to share those with you. As we progress in our experience of this Edition and with Justin's experience to, but let's wrap. This got, let's wrap this up for magic today, guys.

I hope you don't mind. We're running out of time and I want to go on, get on to our interview with Dan, given Dan's from the US House from the US. And he's going to talk to us about his britannian army and his painting project. He said, undergoing without really nice guy, great to talk to and I'm sure Jason's going to do because I love etonians. I have a As I mentioned last time I wanted my first armies with a burrito Nyan so hopefully get that back at some point in

as well. So, Yeah, my of love to play against him because I can't remember I probably did play them against them and at some point during that Edition, but I just can't remember. So I'd ask Dan a few questions about because I totally forgot. You know why? They why they happen? These alarms Lansing by calling the pizza. These are shaped to lands that the lands formation but apparently I found a tradition, it's actually a triangle but later editions is actually one

from six addition. Onwards is actually just a rank of three. In the front. So it's kind of like a rectangle. But yeah, no, no. It's should be interesting. Look forward to listening to this interview. Here again this he's a top guy and I really enjoyed talking to him. We talked for about an hour and a half. So expect this expect this episode be quite long one but he's such a nice guy. I could have easily talk to him for another two or three hours easy. So, so I hope you enjoyed this

one. So thank you very much again. Justin for joining me today is to be heard after work. We look forward to speaking to you again, soon. And speaking to everybody again soon. Like I did you take care and you know you can say thank you. Thank you. All right. Hello Dan. Hey Josh, how are you? Goodbye. Hey going thanks very much for coming on. Thanks for having me. Yeah I'm a little the opposite of tech savvy so that that was about mental gymnastics for me to figure that out.

But you but you better than me because I'm absolutely hopeless. Like you know as I said many times I just look at a computer at his brakes in front of me so you did really well down. I think here seem same way. Done perseverance. That's great. Awesome. I am glad you made it. That's awesome. So, and thanks for so much taking the time out of your day to join me in the podcast experience. So is this the first time? You've done a podcast mate?

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It's part of one of the nice things about social media, and the internet, and Facebook is to be able to connect with like-minded individuals. So that's, yeah, I'm glad to be a part of it. Well, that's Awesome. That's great. Okay, so before we start I'm going to give like a three minute pause. Just so I can edit it. It just when I get added at the edit. The podcast like this section here.

It just makes it a lot easier. I didn't realize that the first time but the editing in this particular app is quite difficult. So I'll just I'll just pause for like 3 seconds and then we'll start sounds good. And I'll ask you some questions. Maybe not so related to like gaming stuff because as you said he never gain before. So this more Your actual Army and that kind of thing in your collection stuff like that. That's okay, yeah, absolutely

sure. Okay. So we'll start Waters, do the 3 minute 3 second. Pause and then they'll all start. Okay, man. Okay sounds good. Josh Okay, Dan, thank you very much for joining us here on the podcast. Glad to be here. Great mate and let's get straight into it. So Dan, how did you actually get into miniature wargaming?

Well, I guess to go back to the very beginning as most small boys I played with World War Two plastic soldiers, out in the dirt digging forks and trenches and and playing with my brothers and we had kind of made up a little mini rules on, you know, we Basically kind of made a little tabletop game out of it over time and and kind of during that and that's kind of

Elementary years. I also built a lot of plastic 1/72 scale 1/48 scale, largely World War Two kits and so I always enjoyed modeling and then then I guess, kind of, when I kind of started to learn about gaming and Miniatures would have

been kind of in the early A 80s. There was a couple Christmases in a row that I got my mom because she's the one actually kind of brought me into it. To be honest, she gotten me to little two games there by Heritage Miniatures and one was Cryptid. The sorcerer and one was caverns of Doom. I don't know if you've heard of those or not. I haven't actually might know, I

don't hate. You can still find them on eBay and they go for over 200 dollars if they're complete, but it just a little cheap box set that it was sort of sort of a precursor like to heroquest it had, it was just a card stock map and bunch of metal Miniatures to represent your Heroes and your dungeon monsters and and you just explored the dungeon a lot of random tables. You'd roll on to see what happened. You'd have combat against the

monsters. Take take hit point or, you know, take damage and then you could level up and go back in again and and I'd never seen anything like that. And it came with a little little paint just over those real cheap flip top paint pots. And and a couple of brushes that you'd paint the side of your house with and, and I think I was probably about 11:00 12:00 at the time and I did.

So I opened up the paint's that came with it and and I think I included that picture that was the very first miniature ever painted that came in that said that little half length and and see how use that gigantic brush. He didn't Prime anything. I didn't have a hobby knife to clean anything up. He didn't know any that stuff, you know? And I used to like try to do the eyes. You'd use that toothpicks did a lot of pain.

Thing with toothpicks back then. And so anyway kind of kind of that same time periods you my mom also got us introduced to Dungeons and Dragons and and that kind of and I guess to give a little context. I do live in the United States grew up in the center of the country which is largely foreign country. Pretty sparsely populated actually grew up on a farm too. So, we're fairly isolated. We didn't we'd have access to gaming stores or hobby shops when even know what any of that stuff was.

And most of the stuff that we would find was out of the back. Then we had JC Penney and Sears and Wards. Christmas catalogs, would come in the mail, and they started to carry some of this kind of stuff. And that's where this came from actually.

And so that's, you know, because a lot of times nowadays they use, Get all your information, you know, on the, on the web instant access to anything and back then, I mean, you didn't even know if you, if you wanted to go out in the country in a week, the nearest major city or larger City that had that kind of stuff was about an hour and 20 minutes away and you'd have to look through a phone book or something to even see like if

you know, to try to find if they had anything and you didn't know what they had when you got there.

And so you're just you had such a little selects view of what was out there because it was just kind of what you could stumble across and I suppose you kind of remember how that was Yeah, it very, very simple at night because, you know, like, like myself, like yourself and like other people, you know, we've sort of come from an area where, you know, the chances of us stumbling into gaming is so, is so small.

It's such a small percentage of us actually getting into the game into the, like, Ventures or gaming in general that it's incredible that we actually found it. So but it sounds like with your mother, you know, she's really, you know, she She's like, she's like a, she sounds like an

awesome. Um, a like she got you into gaming and Miniatures and all that kind of stuff really early on. Yeah, she was big into books to, so she would kind of through the D&D she actually would play with us. My older brother would be the dungeon master and my mom my two sisters and I at that point we would be we were the party and in. Yeah. And so we played Dungeons and Dragons just in our family because we didn't, I didn't Have any friends that I knew played it in the school.

I went to was just a tiny school like you said, you just kind of stumbled into it. My mom was, she was kind of one of those creative type people and she loved books and she loved, you know, imagine using your imagination and, and just to get a lot of that kind of artsy type stuff. So this, she was when she saw about this kind of stuff, she thought, well, you know, she thought that's what her, that's what her kids would like, you know, and so, and she was right.

And, and I think Remember in the between my mom and then in the back of the Dungeons and Dragons box set that we've got back then back, what am I then about? 82 maybe and it had a list of books that you could read and that was kind of all this kind of started to open my world to Fantasy.

You know, it had Tolkien Ursula Le Guin and the Earth's ebooks and Lloyd Alexander Howard, Pyle, which is my he He's my kind of where I got my background, and my interest in King, Arthur and nights in medieval and chivalry and and all that kind of. You know, when you're 11, 12, 13 years old, your imagination just you know that it's a treasure Trove that just needs to be unlocked and and and so with that between what my mom gave us some exposure to that, we just

that kind of set my that kind of was my Foundation of my interests, you know, that Fantasy, medieval creative the painting, The Miniatures became a thing and back, then to you and even know what companies were out there. Well, I guess where I first started to see that was, I got a couple of the old Dragon magazines. I don't know if you remember those or not. Yeah, yeah, there was a bookstore that we would get 20 maybe once or twice a year. And once while I my mom, let me

get one of those. In magazines and you go, which I just loved and then we, we were still playing dungeons dragons at that time and and it would have the ads in there for miniature companies. And so that's how you'd find out, you know, it's like, oh, there's our AFM and grenadiers and real partha, and, and Citadel, and, and you could send away. Like I heard, you mention that

to, I remember that. I mean, the kids nowadays would just die because we send away, Under a self-addressed, stamped envelope, and you mail it to this address and he'd wait a month or six weeks to get, sometimes it was kind of a decent little catalog but by a lot of it was just black and white photo copied type, you know, just really low production but you I'd flip through there and flip through there and they'd have a price sheet and, and my mom would every so often.

Let me, let me order, you know, maybe 15 or 10 dollars worth of stuff out of there. And you you'd mail that in You wait another six to eight weeks worked and, you know, and it's so it was just kind of whatever and for me in the in the states, raw partha was a big one and they had quite a range in their catalog was a little bit nicer. I think, and their stuff was so cheap and so I kind of went down that road of my early years and

my first paints. My real like miniature paints, were all part that paints and which is interesting because They have such good such good pots and Lids that I'm literally still using those paints that some of these are 25 years old that I still. They work. Just died was painting. Those pictures that I sent you. My Bertoni ins, a lot of them. Have some cases, half of the paint on them is from from the Royal partha paints and everybody thinks their wow that's amazing man.

That's awesome. And then through the years to but but that was kind of my introduction. To just miniature in miniature gaming and in the fantasy genre and the medieval interest. Well, that's great. Dan think that's an awesome story. So you talked about like getting into medieval fantasy and that kind of thing. So, is that where your love of britannian sort of can as well like with the?

Yeah, absolutely that. So then then it was interesting because so then kind of that kind of took me kind of through the 80s. Just for context, I graduated from high school in 87 and then I went off to four years of school. So some people He, you know, they did a lot of gaming or a lot of ha being in college for me that stuff completely got set aside when I left as a senior in

four years of school I did. I that stuff just got shoved in the drawers in my bedroom and home and and I, you know, I moved on to other things, you know, girls and studying and and you know, your future and all that. So kind of kind of left it behind and then we got kind of into I guess when I graduated got married in 93. So about that time frame was when you know I kind of my wife

and I bought a farm. We actually I'm a farmer and so we bought a farm she's she works in town and and about that time. I'm kind of emptying all my stuff. My parents wanted all my crap out of their house which I get and some loading, all this going through my drawers and my closet and come. Across all these old Miniatures and these paints and all my old games and I just got real. I'm like, oh man, I missed that stuff, you know?

And so I started kind of looking to see what was out there and and you know, now of course, by that time then I could do more what I wanted. So yeah, I'd get down to there was a hobby store down in Omaha Nebraska which is the one that's about hour and 20 minutes from me and so I'd go maybe once or twice a year. Here and they didn't have any Games Workshop stores but there was a place called Dragon's Lair and is one of those is such a cool place.

It. I mean I think it started it was established in the early 70s and so they had stuff on the walls and old Miniatures and books and rules and stuff from the beginning of time and and all the new stuff. So like heaven to me. Yeah, every corner was jammed, full of cool stuff, you know? It's like going to one of Old bars. That was established in the 1400s. There's something, you know, it's just everything was so cool. Yeah, they have a lot of and that's where they had a pretty

good rack of Citadel stuff. And I remember thinking when I saw their Bertoni Ins, at that time, it was the fifth edition for Tony ins were out. And then we're thinking now, that, that is the King, Arthur night image that I always had in my head. Ed with the flowing barding and

not over-the-top Helms armor. But, you know, because some of that stuff they got to Fantastical and then some of it was so realistic, you know, so this was kind of the balance and when I saw that, I just, I love the whole range. But, you know, if I just gotten married at College bills, we

bought a farm and a house. And, and so, yeah, I just you kind of just looked at it and just kind of drooled and, you know, bought a couple things and Would bring it home and if you paints to paint some of the stuff I had and and and it just really opened me up to what we're Hammer fantasy was because they also had gaming tables there. And I remember seeing this couple of guys in there, I mean they had like four or five tables set up.

There's a lot of people playing 40K, which I'm interested in at the time and but there was one table they had him set up. It was hot, it was High Elves against I can't even who it was. Think like goblins but Orcs and goblins but they hit was back.

Then it must have been you could only fire in one rank and and so they had, I mean there was probably 30, some 40, maybe 40 of these archers all lined up in a big long, you know, Row in the back of the table, the Miniatures and there were some display cabinets in that same Dragon's Lair. Store that, I don't know if it was like the only Owners armies or if it was, you know, people that game there and they just leave their armies there and display them.

But I remember just looking in the there's these huge glass cabinets and I was just floored with the quality of the painting and the amount and the gist of the visual appeal of a large painted up army with the bright colors back you know and in the 90s everything was bright and bold and and and I just I just was really hooked on that and but the Price man even back. Then people bitch about the price.

Now you know the material feels the same back then I just because I was like if I could do it you know and I just couldn't afford it and I didn't have any time shortly after that. I had my first child was born in 95 and then another one in 98 and and so yeah I did, I guess my furry so I did. By a few Bertone. Ian nights and men-at-arms just random. I didn't even know. I'd have the Army book at that time.

So I was just models that I thought were cool, you know, just to pay and and I got, I only, I don't think, I even started painting those. And then my brother, my younger brother somehow he had Battle Masters. And it which was not a Milton Bradley game with Citadel Miniatures, kind of, you know, they produced the miniature. Yeah, they did that without. That's exactly what it was. It was a known Bradley game design and all the ministers and the designed by. Yeah.

Citadel. And he was kind of sweet, but I don't paint. You know, how about if we go together on that? At that time, it was the fifth edition boxset. We go together on that. And you paid him up and then we'll play. And I'm like, yeah, let's do that. And and so we did, we bought it. It and actually, if I remember

right, we bought it on eBay. I mean, it was like, it would have been like 96, I mean, eBay hadn't been out there very long and it kind of goes back to were, you know, we couldn't get to the hobby stores and and I didn't even have internet out on the farm but he had it where he was living with my parents in town at that time. And until he ordered it was a used set, that was complete and I got that and I did I just went

Crazy night. I did get my to to the nights that I actually still have in my Army. I painted and five Bowman. And then with my second child, born in 98 that came to his career, reaching hall. And then we went to some through some difficult Economic Times on the farm to. So that literally, there's about 10 years there where that stuff just sat in my basement. Again, another, another big low on the action. But then I did our, since I was so hooked, I did get a

subscription to white dwarf. That was probably the best thing I ever did. And I remember Bakken at the price every time it was it was like $7 $95 for a year, which I mean, is it a lot of money? But, you know, when you're going to struggle and then but I did it because I'm like, I'm not buying any Miniatures. So I'll buy that. Boy, I used to know about the day of the week. That thing would come in the mail, you know, Bo like the Tuesday of the month or something.

Now, I got to the mailbox and, and when I get that, I have it open before. I got to the house, it was just, you know, the wait for me since I couldn't get to the hobby stores and I didn't have much time to do it and I never any friends that game. It was like all this was just like, you know, total you know, plastic porn is they say or whatever, but it was just, you know, it's just just amazing and in that kind of kept me in touch with what was going.

Going on. And so I and then what I remember, kind of threw that time frame to I also was about 2000. I think than 16 Edition came out so I hadn't gotten, you know, into started to buy the Miniatures until you know, shortly before the sixth edition came out and the peritoneum Army still played with the old army book up until I think their new one came out like in 2002 and and maybe even late, 2002. So you know, Like 2003 before

you re using the new Miniatures and rules that they released at that same time. And I remember fallen through when they did show, some release information on that and white dwarf and I was like and they ruin the britannians and I know some people some people love what they did with the sixth edition and that's cool. I mean teach their own but for me the fifth edition was what I was in love with. The lore was so much better to me.

In the fifth edition, in the Miniatures were just to me hands down better, but, you know, teach their own there. But so I remember kind of being really disappointed with how that how they went with that. You know, I can understand because I felt the same when 6 Edition drops and, you know, for me it was like more of a visual thing like, just looking at all

that. Yeah, the colors are very drab and all that all that, all the color had gone and all the banners had gone and all and everything had changed so much in the other books. Like, for me, the or goblins I played like night goblins and they took out all the, all their great magic items like the crown of command. Yeah, yeah. And that sort of just that sort of just crushed me basically, And the magic was totally

different. They didn't have the magic sets anymore, and I don't know why, but I think we still played fourth edition for a while with our group until people just went on to other things. And I think they got into more historical gaming and World War Two when we played historical the historical war hammer. Because I think Rick Priestly

started that we hopped. Yeah, well, I'm a historic Vehicles rule set and that kind of thing, I think the guys got into that more later on but Yeah, what we should have done was just kept on playing 50 dishin and just kept it just kept going on with it and just keep collecting armies or playing different different scenarios or different things we

hadn't done before. But at that time we didn't know any better and we sort of just went into the groove and flow with what people, that's the thing. When the new, shiny thing comes out, you know, and that's its, that's become faster and fury at more Furious in the last five to ten years. And, you know, whatever's the new shiny thing. That's what everybody's on in the old gets left behind And and it doesn't the old wasn't

necessarily broken or bad. Oftentimes, it's just everybody wants the new thing, you know, and so and marketing. You know, they do a good job marketing. Especially Citadel or you know, Games Workshop. So they want you to get you to want the new thing. Yeah, I get it from, I totally get something like a business point of view them because I need to recycle things and make it more interesting for new generations. Coming around to the Hobby and sell things.

I mean it's about selling product. Yeah. You've already got every single britannian. Miniature made. You have the Army book. What are you buying? You know and so I get that exactly the most of the internet doing this. They went it became much darker. Like the the fifth edition where it was very, it was very moored in Arthurian Legend, the knights from very idealistic, The Peasants were not just dirt under your boot. Actually, a peasant, be could become a knight.

And, you know, and then like you said to that, you have courses called hero Hammer, but they had, you know, all the special characters which gave a lot of flavor and a lot of Options and a lot of interest in lower that can be added to your snares and storyline. But I mean I get that doesn't work as well in a tournament setting but I mean you don't have to play with half the table full of heroes or any Heroes for

that matter, you know. I think they absolutely I just got to say I think once you have started to go down the tournament line, you know, because that's that's where a lot of the success. For a lot of these games is grounded in is in the tournament scene in the competitive scene which I totally get. Then you got to you got to make it a more tournament friendly game and so you got to lose some of that wonkiness, some of that unbalanced NE some of the crazy.

I mean that was was cool about fifth edition or even some up 6. We're I mean, some of the Spells and some of the stuff which is crazy and the stuff that would happen was just crazy. It had to be more of a friendly game. You know, if you were gonna go play a stranger and you're going to try to win this tournament, you know, probably those two roles sets weren't the best for sure. Fifth wasn't. But Yeah. Look, I'm you know I've never played 6th edition as yet.

I probably will get it. Get a chance to play it at some point because a lot of people, yeah, about it as being the best rule set they've made the suppose, it's just different for Generations. Like, you know, we're coming from a, you know, like late 80s, early 90s perspective and the people who sort of follow sixth edition at coming in, from that that particular time at 2000s and that kind of thing.

So it's all relative to I think that's the thing is collecting the hobbits for your Fondest. Memories Are when you first discovered it you were first just exploring the unknown and and and to me that the bright bold colors the the more Whimsical approach that the different factions had just kind of struck a better chord with me in general, you know, and it still does today, so yeah, I think that's true.

And then, of course, 8th Edition became just these, you know, we're people have units that are 60 to 80 T Miniatures in it and not just, that didn't appeal to me at all. Not me too baby until you tell me off completely. Yeah. And for other various reasons as well. So I think yeah. I think you just being like I said, a lot of people you're just going to stick to what you love. I mean, you know I've got I've got mates who or people. I know that who don't like fourth edition.

If you hated that complete change from Third Edition and if their Traditions, your thing will just stick with that and just keep playing it and just keep, you know, trying to promote your local group and into playing it more often. Yeah. And just trying to keep it alive because that's all, that's all you can do with these old, be honest. When I started kind of getting

I'm there. So with doing my Bertoni ins I waffled back and forth between building it as the fifth edition or a sixth edition Army. But then when it comes down to it, basically, if you've got the Miniatures painted and you've got some movement trays that, you know, can change out or by different sized ones or whatever and buy that one other Army book, which you can buy them for pennies on online that you could play any Edition, right? You know, it's just what?

All set. Do you want to use the Miniatures? Can you can use any aged Miniatures and you can call any you know, unit? If they've got Spears, you know they can be the spearmint or they can be just the they could be the halberdiers for the Bertoni ins. It just call them what you want aren't even visually. If you made a make sure they looked right, you could play any addition so you don't have to exclude yourself. Absolutely.

It has to be really inclusive. Like I said, I think that's it adjustment of the day, you know, I could be a writer, really miniature snob and say that, you know, all those managers aren't from, you know, right Tickler era that we're playing in and they're not really authentic and that kind of thing, and it sort of it sort of loses something about it. But, you know, people just going to play with what they've got. And what more can I do? Look green basis.

Go for it. If you if you want to put flour in all kinds of Clerk and stuff on it, go for it and I'll be happy to play anything I prefer if it's got some paint on it, but I don't even care about that, you know, exactly.

Because you could you could easily go down that route, you know, when I first got into gaming, you know, as a young guy like I was about 17, I went to the games like the games Club Ella, who Games Club in Southport, in the Gold Coast and you had like these typical old guys like in their 40s. You know, like mid-forties like my age now. And you know, they wouldn't let you come net close to the table and you couldn't touch their Miniatures.

And, you know, they're all very, you know, very beardy and that kind of thing. And have to be a particular setting that they'll have to play in and certain color schemes that have to match and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I want two teams that kind of guy.

That guy and we've got such a small community, whether you're a Napoleonic scammer or a World War, Two gamer, you need to take any anybody that's got an interest, you need to just encourage it. I don't care if they're young or old male or female or what they're doing. If they want to play, I want them in the group. Yeah, absolutely. By that's, it has to be very

inclusive, very mindful of that. Because, like, you say, yeah, we dealing with very small communities of Gamers nowadays, especially in, like, with our situation in Tokyo, you know, for for our group. Really go very, very small number of people, and it's all very fractured because, you know, some people have been to, like, you know, War Machine.

Some people learn to Infinity some people into war hammer and even other other groups into our genes, your broadband Makes it kind of difficult to especially even nowadays. There's so many games out. I mean, there's games. There's a game for every every genre, every time frame, every whether it's Skirmish, or large battle it. And so, it's just, I mean, you're lucky to find another person playing the same game as you even if they're a huge

table, top Enthusiast, you know. Yeah, that's a really good point because yeah, the choice is so abundant now with so many games from various different companies and its worldwide. Now it's not like just England dominating this, this kind of Market anymore. Oh yeah, oh that's pain in there. You've got, of course, America as well. You know that the yeah it's games companies now. So you know, no. I just could say, I definitely agree.

So go ahead and you know, now, they've course got, you know, Kickstarter in in just what the AB, even these little tiny companies can come up with some amazing games, you know, you pirate games and Western games and, and every kind of, you know, horror game or cross between Cthulhu and Science Fiction. It's just, I mean, it's a, it is a, some ways, it's a golden age. And in some ways it's it's almost like, you know, squirrel. It's like, oh my gosh, you know,

that's just too many shapes. You see that on you two? Candles these people that all they're all about this one system for about a month and then some new thing comes or some Kickstarter. They bought comes and then they're all about that for a month. And, you know, it's just, there's two back when we got into it. You know, basically what you had were more fantasy and 40K, some obscure medieval and World War Two rules that weren't even, you know, really professionally

done? They're just, there were some Civil War tabletop Americans. The war was somewhat popular but I mean you had just a handful of choices. So so you probably if you were playing that genre or that type of game that's probably one of the two or three choices. You were had, you know. So but so it's different now for sure. Yeah, I can totally understand why people would gravitate towards Skirmish based games.

I mean what what we're doing our like, these kind of where you're dealing with armies that consists of about 100 plus Miniatures. I mean, you know, I can totally understand why. That would be like a turn off the most people and they yeah, it is made it. So, he said, like an endurance endurance, run, you know, like you just got to keep going and going and going until you get to the end until everything's painted and And all that kind of

things. So, yeah, I can see why that aspect would cause a lot of shrinkage in this kind of hobby, as well. And what we're doing this mess? Masami to look at the last minute. She, yeah. So then I know on my jeans, I bought those few and I bought that starter set, and then In 2000 two or three in there when the New Britain.

Well, and actually, before that at that Dragon's Lair, where I would go down, they had like these like laundry baskets on the floor that they just have tons of blister packs thrown in that were half off, you know sale because they just, it wasn't selling. They moved it on and he was one of those kind of stores and and or shops, it wasn't a store. But anyway, they I dig through there and I could lot of time spine, just random Bertoni. Models for half off.

And then I remember going down that for the new edition came out and they took everything off the off the pegs and I think I went crazy that day and spent like, you know, 80 bucks or something. But it was all, you know, everything was like yeah. For more off, all the old metal for Tony, and 5th edition. And so I bought what I could at the time and and then of course, you know, now you got to go down, you know, eBay or Facebook groups, you know, you can find

And good good deals. Both ways, if you're, you know, your patient. Yeah, that's that's a good point to love for people who wanted to get into the Hobby and wanting to get into buying an ally from scratch. Like I'm going to do like that two years ago because it's only been very recently that I've actually got back into this and so that was quite a challenge. And I'm actually now rebasing the first Regiment of dwarves that I ever bought to start.

This whole project was and that's from warmongers from a company. Oh yeah. Choose your friend, might be familiar with those. You know, very expensive, it costs 80 pounds to get 20 min 20 dwarves, so that's equivalent of 150 dollars in our committee. The car that may be, but sort of video showing what you had, your display cabinet, your dwarves, and your rebasing, and stuff.

And yeah, those were, those were gorgeous and they fit in, well, with the Citadel, Yeah, they do. That's that's what this one of the reasons why I got them. Because at first, I thought well, where the hell am I gonna get all these Miniatures from what, you know, where I'm going to buy them? I can't buy them this stores, you know, they're not available anywhere. I can't buy an entire unit from

somewhere. So at the beginning, I just thought, well, I'm gonna have a look Along online and just check what's available nowadays? And I found these and that's where it was where I started. And then I went into the Facebook groups and learn a bit more about those and got involved with that. And then, Started accumulating more, and more, and more Miniatures until I could. And it took to get took a long time to get. Yeah, my Army but I eventually got it.

So like you know, advice for those people who want to start again, who sold their Collections and thinking, you know, I wouldn't mind getting, you know, getting that high off Army. I started off with back in the day. Well, if you know, you can get them, you're out there, you know, you just need to be patient, I think is then, yeah, that's the The key and then I suppose you would know dick to ya, literally, I think there's

three good britannian ones. They're literally just for tone Ian and so you know, once people know you know, get to know who you are, you know, speak up and post what you're doing and show what you're looking for, you know, and people there's good people out there that'll, you know, they've got some and I passed on a few things that had no interest to me. People for, you know, cheap because I was glad to help somebody out and I had no use for it.

And you know, and some people want crazy money but but a lot of times, yeah, you can find people that want to just be helpful and yeah, I've got some of those knocking around. I don't even know why I have them anymore or something and they'll you can get them and and even eBay, I've had some good luck there. Although, it's it goes through streaks. It's like you just, you know, got to say. Okay? And for me, you got to stay focused.

To, I literally only by proponents, literally, and because, I mean, everyone song like a man. But, you know, the other half the box, that would be

lizard-men. So, I mean, that's a really cheap, you know, fifth edition metal command group in a blister, I should just get it and then I'm like, no, you know, because otherwise you've got a smattering of everything, and you have nothing really, and So, you know, Sofia you want to go stay focused on it and then I spend weeks just kind of watching eBay, just to kind of see what are the prices.

And and, you know, every once while it's like, wow, you know, this one Grail Night Champion, you know, it's like 30 bucks for it, you know, and, but you just keep watching them and there's only like, one or two listed then, you know, some three weeks later, there's a couple more listed or there's one. That's in like a lot of just sorted bits and, you know, so you can find people to some people are just selling to get rid of it. They don't know what it is.

It's a mom, cleaned out a house. They don't care. Yeah. And they'll sell it for a reasonable price and there's other people courses places that have a business. Obviously they have a name and and but you know every once while you decide that that's worth I'm going to buy that one. But I most of mine I kind of said a limit, you know I wasn't going to spend more than x dollars per figure and My goal is to collect every fifth edition Bertoni in. In that 98.

I kept the old 98, Citadel catalog, that's just about worn through. I bought back at the Dragon's Lair, back in the day and and so I think I've just missing like two nights on foot. It's all I have left to get and I've got got everything and but it's taken me years to do that.

I mean, it basically, it even started back when this stuff was brand-new on the Shelf, you know, that, I've been accumulating this stuff and Really had just painted a couple minutes yours until about three years ago when I decided, that's where I wanted to go with my time. And because that's I guess for me, then I got was busy with

kids and farming. And and once my kids ones married, and the other one is just about done with with University that I've got a lot more extra time on my hands, a little bit more cash. And and so that's when I kind of dug out my miniature stuff again and I guess what got me actually playing? Again was I jumped into World War 2, game Squad, level game called bolt action by warlord games which is written by. If I'm not wrong, is it Alessio? Cavett Tori and Rick Priestly, that's its place.

Lee working on guys actually wrote that. And so anyway, so in the reason I kind of picked that game was, of course, I always loved World War Two but smaller, miniature count and we actually have there's a And of a little bit of a community not in my town but in somewhat, you know, down in Omaha, an hour and a half hour and 20 minutes away. And then through YouTube, I met a guy that actually lives 20 minutes from me that also does miniature tabletop gaming for

years. I never would have found him otherwise we probably driven by each other on the road you know, and didn't know it and but he was big into bold action. So I'm like, okay here's the phone. That's got motivation and If I can complete the Army and which I did, and I played tons and tons of probably, well over 100 games, and I played in like three tournaments and and built terrain, it got just sucked in. I just built tons and tons of train. And, and so, then after that, I

decided, okay, I can do that. I mean, I've got the focus in the motivation, in my pain is getting a little bit better to where I'm, you know, happier with it. I'm not, I mean, I would say I'm not even up to, I'm not up to the level that That you paint or or a lot of painters but I mean I can please myself and they look acceptable on the table but enjoy the painting. To me it's just relaxing and I love to when I'm done with each miniature, I don't want to say

that. I Enter in the competition necessarily but and I don't want to spend a month on one miniature, but with a balance, I don't want to just tabletop either. I want to be proud of it when I'm done with it, you know where I feel like. Okay, no. That's that looks pretty sweet. I'd show that to people, you know, that looks, all right.

And and so I'm not about speed and and I just enjoy going down in the basement and and putting in a movie or some YouTube videos and your let you know like your paint and chat type things. Different people do those and, and just, it's relaxing. You know, it's fun and then I'm building with a purpose, you know, I'm building a britannian army. So, that's my, that's my focus. Otherwise, you're just painting random Miniatures, which is fun too, but this gives me direction.

Yeah, I'll talk to Lee. Grave that met? You need some kind of directive goal or something sort of sitting in mind we think. Okay. Well in this month I'm gonna paint, you know, certain set of Miniatures and complete this particular project. Yeah. Otherwise like you say, is this going to what Raymond bits that you can encourage?

We top it with some kind of doing now, actually, in this, in his painting videos, but Yeah, it's like it's good because that those painting videos have actually you know, forced me to take stuff out of my miniature, miniature beans that I wouldn't necessarily take out. And actually put together climb up and start painting. So in that sense out of the pile. So that's good. That's all aah. Yeah. And it is sort of slowly getting done.

I mean, you know, sort of like a but this sort of Round Table kind of thing I've got going on at least one or two minutes techniques on how they do. Things and I don't do a lot of blending really like you do. And so, that's something I've kind of been, you know, kind of learned some things about, and then your nonmetallic Metals. I've never messed with that.

And oftentimes, I didn't really see a point in it, although I did now on my chain mail on my Bertoni ins using the metallics on. That doesn't look right. You the nonmetallic like you're doing on that. Was it the ogre? Yeah, yeah. I'm like, okay. So I kind of went the route I'll be much happier with that. So, I mean, you can always learn some, some new techniques and you just see the finished product, you're like, well, how did they get there?

And even just seeing you go through that yellow, that yeah, that wizard, he all the Supreme patriarch because I'm like, sometimes you're putting on some really light paint. I'm like, well, that looks pretty good. And then you go put on some really light yellow over the top. All of them like oh my God, what are you doing? But like, I don't know what I'm doing. Dancer, don't worry about it. I've no idea. It was going as, I don't worry, you got to learn to not be afraid of that.

I know, even like the first time I ever used a wash I was I was scared because I had to figure, I thought he looked really pretty good and then you're supposed to, you know, you watch these videos and you put a wash on it and then you start highlighting back up from that again. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm gonna ruin all this work, and but you learned sometimes, it looks like you're going backwards. You know, and so it's good to

see the process. It's like doing the same painting that I, if I painted the way, I did five years ago even, you know, I wouldn't get to where I'm at now. You got to keep trying, you know, different techniques and even just the way you manipulate the brush, the wet palette, I like seeing the wet palette on the screen to because that I work with a wet palette, a homemade one once in a while. But oftentimes I don't and because I don't use a lot of

dropper bottles. You have Vallejo paints, but I still use a lot of Citadel enroll partha, and and so, I don't, I do I did use a dry palette for a long time, but you know what, that does it just dries out. Yeah, me too. But I had one full a long long time because you know I just had like a ceramic tile. That I would get some some of that brown packaging tape and I just wrap it around it, it looked like a bomb.

It look like the something that the, you know, if I to to the airport or something, they'll probably arrest me because I think I'm carrying some kind of bomb that you know. So it got so big in the end and I think, I think the guy at the game store that I went to locally, he said, I looked Is wet pallets from Privateer Press and he said, I should give those ago and it's okay and never looked never looked back after

that. You know, it was this crazy one night I think of this before because I know I hope people talk about wet palette. So I thought, what the hell is that? Yeah, it sounds strange like

water. And I don't understand why didn't understand the concept, but that's looking to be a long time until I tried to find the shade that was like Citadel originally, you know, they you could really those companies that do like the Triads, you know, it's like Like, oh, you make some, you just use those three colors?

Well, you know, there's a lot you can do a lot more than that, but you don't have to have as many paints if you want to start and you could find just the shade, you're picturing you know. So it's a whole growing process, you know, there's always some new things to learn and and learn how to get from A to B. I guess it's always the trick. Yet, it is good to feel the white, feel your way around it.

And I know, like, some absolutely fantastic paint is that I know of like Martin, he's a french guy who painted for rack and all that kind of thing. And I saw a video on the first number. So, I actually saw him painting, and he's just painting on this horrible old ceramic plate. That's full of paint. And it's the most disgusting messiest thing I've ever seen in my life. And I thought, how the hell is he doing this?

Like, he's This is such an incredible program that he's just using this most incredibly dirty filthy looking. Yeah, never been cleaned. And yeah, and he's just doing it, you know, he's a he's going for it. So he's producing the most beautiful.

You can bring a diminution of the same thing as well as you'd find like at Hobby Lobby. Yeah, you know whatever and it's like really that you're supposed to have those Windsor Newton's, you know, and all this stuff and it's like, no not Eerily plus what kind of brush works for you, you know, firmer or softer and then are you using the tip more? Or, you know, just it's it's a what works for you type of

thing. Yeah. Like, you know, when I first started painting, I use the Citadel brushes for a long, long time because we did well. We well yeah, that was all that was. Yeah. But you know they sort of did the job and lasted a long enough. But we we got buy-in only we got by with what we had basically and now we've got more of a luxury of finding stuff on the internet and yeah I'm all of you here. Out to just learned anything you. I mean I would be the white dwarf magazines.

All those years I subscribed when I was away from gaming because I think I subscribed for about 11 or 12 years. I've every single white dwarf or 11 or 12 years. And I yeah, I remember just reading loving those what they call them, what are their master painters called again? The? Yeah. They're every medley metal painting, heavy metal sections and they show Oh, the step-by-step. And how they and I learned so much from that. I mean, there were no YouTube videos, you know?

You just, that's how you anywhere, you could pick anything up, you know? Or you ask a guy, when he was in The Hobby Shop, you know, with his army. How would you use for that? You know, and now you can just Google it, right? Yeah, the funny thing is, I didn't like looking at like, I don't really look at painting videos, but when I do, I think that the most boringest thing I've ever seen in my life, like I just I can't watch the mate. I can't honestly kind of watch them.

I think I think Duncan Rose the guy from GW. I think he's probably the most entertaining guy. Okay, to watch as at like an instructor to watch, how to how to paint Miniatures. But generally, I just do not watch them because I just find them too boring.

So doing would I want to The I say that when I'm actually making tutorials but I want it, I want to do it a little bit differently where I'm sort of like trying to communicate and trying to get the people to ask questions or just just chatting while we're doing it because I tried doing the whole tutorial thing, but I just found it very dry.

Some people love it. Yeah, that's quite cool to when I'm painting because otherwise you're watching my my iPad and you know you got to constantly be after that videos done and you know you got to load up another, you know, find another I'm in the middle of painting and I don't want to mess with that. So here you know like yours if they're like half hour to an hour long I can just have it running and I don't look up a lot.

Except when you talk about, you know, now you're doing like the chainmail, then I might watch for, you know, a minute or two and what you're doing there. But in general, I mostly just listening. And that's, but you're, right? Just the painting tutorials other than if I'm trying to figure out how to paint red, you know, I'll Google, you know, painting read or like You know how to paint some camouflage, on a German World, War, 2 Soldier, you know, things like that.

But I just watched part of the video, I don't even watch the whole video, you know. Is there boring? Yeah, that's the thing. Like you just won't answer because I usually do the same. Like, trying to fast forward through the video to see, like, there's a good bits. Like, where is this guy actually doing something technical, or

whatever? Because it's not really interesting, you know, in the sort of the full part of all, they all they just they try to yeah, speed it up the camera, like the cameras like sped up like, you know, three times faster than what it should be. And that kind of thing is like, very confusing and yeah, so I think people got different styles. I think it's good. To settle on something or you people the people who are watching a going to benefit the most from it.

So we've got to find out what's good for them. And for me, I know there's some was helpful, but I think and they literally, like you're saying they literally just say, well now I'm using, you know, Leo number seventy-three Point 105. You know, whatever red and and I'm doing, you know, they just talk, that's the whole top. I'd rather like, you know, you talking You know, origin stories or Army books or you know, some of the old.

I love some of the old resources back in the 90s they had, I had the terrain making guide that that they had and I actually made some of the train out of that cooler. Yeah. And and some of those, you know, how to paint your Miniatures, the heavy metal team, put out at the heavy metal painting guide to wear Hammer miniatures. 90s and I did pick those up back then too and just good. Cool resources and just kind of some Nostalgia there too I guess but step. Yeah I think you're right.

Actually. Then I'd rather have one of those books and just flips with it ages and just look at what they've been doing and step-by-step kind of things in a book, it other than it's interesting.

It seems like, I would say, even games workshop's announcement of returning the old world, or if it's just people, our age age bracket, you know, whether you're in your 50s or in your low 40s, but that have Some Nostalgia now, for for that stuff and a little bit of disposable income that are because there's just even there's more YouTube channels showing, you know, people revisiting their old Warhammer Army redoing their, they're elves Army reach, you know, just

there's another one that guy, he just bought the fourth edition magic set. That tone gaming or whatever Channel. And and you know, just you can they'll used to be if you typed in like 5th edition, where a fantasy, you Like two videos of some unboxings of the old nothing. You know.

If you get course sometimes they don't title or video so you can find it. But I'm fighting a lot more interest in the Facebook group groups are just growing like Leaps and Bounds like the hero Hammer one is crazy. The activity on that. All right. Well, when I first joined that group, there was like virtually.

No no I'm posting anything like it was very quiet and I sort of gave up on it. I thought I went back to the middle have a wound and I just started posting on there, but then I thought, but I'm going to give this hero handle one, a chance because that's really what I'm really looking at like, you know, fourth and fifth editions, like really what I'm at, you know, into and now it's this and it's gone, it's exploded, it's just going absolutely nuts now.

So we've got so many people doing and what kind of thing, a post awful day and I waited there looking for stuff to do and you start digging through things that you already own because you can either order something or you or your little

nervous about spending money. So, and it brings back Nostalgia. I think, to, during times, when you're kind of isolated like that and and so, that's maybe helped it grow to. But man, there's some amazing stuff that people are doing it. Just it just blows me away. Yes, I'm going to just post up before just before I talk to you. Some guy is living out my dreams and and like real have to be out of the or Goblin armies book.

He's doing the battle report between Yeah, that looked incredible like that's, that's one of my all-time doing battle reports on the playoffs when I bought that or actually even before when I was just thinking about buying that fifth edition set was to pull in, remember, getting an opening it and I was like, I was so energized and this was like, so perfect.

And I, so that for me is still that dream of building, a full britannian Army, kind of painted in that For the colors schemes that I found that really, you know, drew me in. And and so I it's it's been a long time coming, but I'm getting her done now. It's that's good bite. Yeah, that's why I'm keep pushing you to keep doing it.

Keep going on with it, you know, keep releasing those videos and then there's another important point because you actually have your own channel and that's how I discovered you because I was doing the same thing. I was looking for here a hammer or fifth edition stuff content on YouTube and I found your channel because you had to all your etonians. Yeah, project you're working on. So can you tell us about your

Channel? Years that just enjoyed it and start to find that you could all those interests that you have, you know, specific you know whether it's where I'm or fantasy or excuse me or or any kind of miniature game that there's a lot of wonderful resources out there. A lot of great people putting out some neat stuff and and when and even though now yeah I'm older and, you know, I can go anywhere I want with me, you know, in the car, my job doesn't

allow me to get away a lot. So I'm somewhat isolated and I don't have other than that one. Friend, that's that I happened to find through YouTube that we game with of, as much as we can through the year. I mean, sometimes we get together, you know, maybe ten ten probably about once a month, but it's not, sometimes it's two or three times a month and then not for two or three months, but I guess I found that that trying to find something to kind of keep you motivated was the

trick. You know, because it's like If you didn't have an opponent that you knew, you know, we were getting ready for a game, especially for I met this guy, what, what keeps you painting? You know, it's like I didn't have anybody, I didn't have a realistic goal of playing a game Because unless I painted both armies myself, I had brothers that will play but they're not going to paint, you know.

So so it was kind of that insulin and then I got to be kind of, you know, you interacted First Years watching just kind of watching and lichens and then pretty soon, you start commenting and then you get to kind of You know, some of these people and you get to be kind of friends with these people and and then they started wanting to see what I was doing. And I didn't do Facebook because I just am not a Facebook or either like you've mentioned to and they're like, well there's

these great groups out there. So I opened an account and then started, I didn't have a smartphone until two years ago. So I couldn't really take any pictures to post.

And so, finally, I started, you know, they kept encouraging me to start a YouTube channel because then you can Share what you're doing and we want to see what you're doing and and, you know, and so finally I think let's see, December of would have been 18. I think I posted my first video and and then I just kind of didn't look back from there and I just I just looked at my Channel or what I Channel like a mistaken or something. That's what the videos that I

that I posed is basically. It's just kind of a hobby. Vlog for me. It's just what what am I working on? And basically I've limited myself to three basic interests and one is you know, the the Warhammer fantasy particular Bertoni, ins American war of independence, which kind of fills that Napoleonic rank-and-file, you know, type Niche, Niche that I have once in a while and then my World War Two and that's literally what I do in my Lord of the Rings that I got into.

In 2000, I guess for a while but which I met would return to some time but basically that's it. I don't get distracted by anything else and so and then making train. So I just try to once or twice three times, sometimes a month. Just after I complete a project, I don't like to show stuff that's unfinished. I like to show it after it's done and just kind of do a Showcase of what I've done what I've done. And it's always terrain particular been lately. It's been WWII Terrain.

And then I post a lot of videos on my American war of independence painting. And then my Bertoni ins everything that I complete since I got back into it and it's do videos on that. And I just try to keep them short because I know a lot of people won't watch if it's very long especially because my channel is kind of a hodgepodge. You know, if I was literally just a Warhammer fantasy Channel, you know, you get the they're going to watch it because that's what they're there for.

But so and then it just allows me to Wracked with the community, the YouTube Community, find it really supportive you know in an encouraging and it kind of helps keep me pushing to get stuff painted and and so the yeah, it's been a great experience for me. Well that's great. Dennis why? That's a really positive experience for you. So and it keeps you motivated and keeps you going? Because I think those Facebook groups like The Hero Hammer one on Facebook. Yeah.

You know you find the motivation to keep carrying on otherwise like you say, like if you had not nobody around you or no interaction whatsoever, you could even lose the motivation to do more of Independence. I've painted maybe 100 34 almost 140 troops for that and you know it's a it's enjoyable and what I've noticed is you got to break it down, you know like even my Bertoni ins it's like okay first of all get a plan what what's your color scheme? You know what are you trying to

achieve? You know like for me I did figure out what my heraldry colors were going to be for my general Duke. What's his story? Re and then and then so then you can base, you know, your foot troops, we in that type of Livery and then, you know, how do you want to differentiate between you on the bertoni's out of the hospital? You are, but they've got the knights-errant. And then they've got the Knights of the realm, or the next level higher.

And then the questing knights are the next ones. And then the Grail Knights are the top. And so you don't want to paint them all exactly the same, you know, as for so, do you differentiate them by color or do you differentiate them by Bye, how fancy their heraldry is, you know, and so you got to kind of get a plan otherwise you're just you can have regrets on how you started out the project because you got to have a plan. and so, Yeah, that's true. You go ahead.

Go ahead. Yeah. Now, you know you were talking yeah. Sorry dance, right? Yep. You were talking before like before you send me those lovely photos of your army and you're talking about you had some kind of back story because it's asking about that with the color schemes you were talking about it's sort of kind of half.

Yeah, kind of based as well. I decided you know when the kind of not get deep deep into the fluff, they based somewhat you know in the britannian realm and so you know, I read what there was in the Army book and I've read some of the other literature that they've got out there and and I don't know how you say all of it because it's all kind of French in the britannians but the down there's the dukedom quenelle has or something like that down that borders the what else territory

and they and in the fifth edition book cameras so much in the six but in the fifth it even mentions that that dukedom had a real strong Alliance an alliance with the wood elves early on you know way back at the beginning of the history of it and and you know and I kind of like that that thought and I thought well you know so then the Duke that I'm having be the general my Army is going to going to be either that duke or during that

time period when there was the great friendship between the wood elves and the britannians. And and so I went with the yellow and green paint Scheme which is always been a favorite of mine when I would draw Even as a kid, they were oftentimes yellow and red. So that's always been my color

scheme I guess. And so yeah, I had the green kind of represents the forests of the wood elves and the in the yellow or gold type color would be the, the wheat fields of the britannian farmlands, and, and then the Dukes. Heraldry is the Unicorn which was used. If you look in the fluff of quenelle has, that was One of the symbols that was used. And so, I've got the white unicorn, which also shows the close-knit in this between the Elves and the, in the battalions.

And so kind of just gave me some, you know, kind of rooted down in. And then, after that, I'm kind of using my own names. I'm not going to necessarily use any of the name characters. As far as, you know, just fluff part of my Army, which is, you know, you can change that just by an eraser. But but in my mind, I guess, as I'm building it, you know. And my of course all my nights are real chivalric. You know, they're like King Arthur type nights, it's none of that.

None of that stuff that they put in the way later Army books. Okay, there you go. I don't know anything about that dance. I wouldn't anything. I'd like the lighter on books. I don't know anything about it, - I've only know about fifth edition II and, to be honest, I've never actually seeing the founding book for 5th edition either, so I'm sort of quite quite yet. Yeah, I'm quite Keen to have. Look at it actually.

It's one of the books. I haven't actually acquired yet so it's one of those on the, on The Wanted list at the moment. So yeah. So I don't know what the true. I don't know what the Changes were between 50 and 6. I don't know how dramatic everybody. It's quite a big change for just kind of and and they they also made the stats on the peasants so that they, they would likely not stick around in a fight, so they were kind of useless.

So people quit taking him. So all they do is take the night so that the whole Army of nights they took away that Lance formation that you see my pictures are in that triangular Lance formation. On both my Bowman and my nights. And that's the formation that was exclusive to the burrito Nyan fifth edition Army book but when they redid it in the sixth they took that out and just made it like the other Cavalry troops

and I didn't like that either. Okay, so for someone like me who's like a Layman who doesn't know, what each one of those formations, what, what was the benefit of doing those formations those triangular teachers? Pizza shirt, formation going to quit reading and thinking and watching and talking to other people talk and as far as you know, the reality of it but what happens is that you on the they called the Lance formation, they don't have a side flanks.

So If you charge them anywhere except in the actual rear of that triangle, that is considered your front Arc and see you don't have a flank that way. And then the other thing is everybody on the outside of that is considered somebody that can attack, you know, so you're far as and then ranks are literally by how many ranks in your triangle. And so that's how they dealt with all those issues in the and it made him unique that way.

Because when they would hit, they would hit hard and being narrow like that you get a lot of troops basically would be in your front rank but yet you can maneuver them because they're more compact. It's hard to maneuver the triangle because you're spinning this big long triangle and you could March block more easily because of the length of that triangle. So that could be a problem.

But basically what they came down to us Reading the white dwarf article, when the 6th edition came out, they just said in the game of rectangles and squares, the triangle doesn't fit. And, and that's, they were just having trouble trying to, I know they made some clarifications on it in that I don't remember the ravening chords get you by Army lists thing that came out, came out in the white dwarf, and it was free at every every hobby shop. They said stacks of them everywhere.

From what I understand it was, because when The 2000-2001, the newer me books came out or the new rule set came out, you know, they hadn't read released new Army books for everybody. And so they had, I don't know, it's maybe like a 30-page, you know, a little magazine thing that had every Army in it and then new points values just so that you could use your old army in that six addition rule book and they tried to clarify how to

use that those formations. And you can see they were struggling with it. Again between friendly game players. It was a non-issue. Yeah, I would think would be a no big deal. I mean you're not going to argue over a half inch here there or whatever. You know, the spirit of the game Spirit of the rules type thing, whatever makes a better story. You know you go with that but in a tournament it was creating lots of problems I think. Okay, I'll deny it.

I knew about revving horns because I knew that was like, the sort of I think the fourth of issues that also had like a when that when they reset that when they reset the rules, they bring out some kind of booklet to cover all the armies and all the stats. And what kind of things here actually start playing with all your old army throw it away. Yeah, yeah. Cool. Okay. Well, thanks.

Thanks for educating me on that because I honestly, I probably have played returning returning Army way back in the day, but I just cannot remember when I think they had troubles facing problems. Special rules and players, not there. And I know in our area, that that's why they were always in the news because nobody wanted to figure out how to paint the heraldry, you know.

Yeah, yeah. And I used some of them like I have a lot of transfers and that kind of thing to say but I guess that's the other thing they added. You in the sixth edition, they added the trebuchet and that Grail Relic way was in the that was all new stuff but they took away all your special characters. Yeah a lot of those were gone and it really encourage you just

to be nice. Just you park your trebuchet back there you know and you tried to protect him with with your mounted Squires or something and then it was just nice and And I'm trying to build a real balanced force more, you know, kind of a medieval Army type Force. Yeah, I'm going to have lots of nights but I want to have, you know, several units, experiment, several units of halberdiers several units of Bowman some mounted Squires.

You know, I just, I always like where you got a variety of troops and you got to try to figure out how to, you know, make it all work together and it looks to me, it just looks, you know, a lot cooler on the tabletop to haven't, you know, Just a variety variety of troops. Yeah. It does, it makes it more fun to

play really, doesn't it? Because if you have, if you have that 500 Point character, which I do in my in West gave an army, it's it's probably less fun and it's kind of you want it, you want to play around with those units and moving around and over them and, you know counter-charge? Yeah. You know, it's just part of the game. I like the games where you see, you know, where you've got a unit that started in one side of

the table. And, you know, If you would have tracked where y'all went, you know, it's like well that told a story in itself for that unit, one over here and then retreated and came back around from this other way and a lot more maneuver and a lot of trying to figure out how to use the benefits of your different troops and your different magic items and and just the blend of everything is what's fun to me.

I mean if you want to build an army just to win, you know you maybe there's units they always say well you never take those, you just, you know, take them. Well, I don't care, I'm kind of that now. Nigel, Stillman type guy. You know where you just, you build a force because it's cool. It's got a theme to it. And that's what you go with Win, Lose or Draw. Yeah, that's right. You're not Nigel had the right idea.

I think, I think, you know, he had a, he brought a lot of, I think he brought a lot of fun to the to the Army books, into his writing and his development of the games are not the game to the actual Army balls. I think, was mainly, just focusing on the Army books, and the cultures, and history, and all that kind of thing and the flavor to it. I think without him the world have been a very strong experience and they loved it. That's good.

But for me, the Army book is such a dryer, read compared to what Nigel did and then he did the. I know he did the lizard men and I also know you for sure. Did the wood elves? I'm not sure what else, but I know he does three and they're just they're just a treat to read. If you never played the Army, you know, it's just amazing. Yeah, like, well, the organ Goblin book. I know that's written by Rick, please leave, but I know. Nigel did the original talks for

the 40K? Like the Rogue Trader books. Yeah, so all that culture based on his writings. So, Rick just basically took that and put that in the book, maybe Nigel did some work with him as well, but he, you know, Rick is credited for writing the book. But I reckon, you know, a lot of that, a lot of that all culture comes from Niger. His sort of crazy crazy mind in the white dwarf. I don't know what I like is like

two to nineteen. Twenty twenty one or Twenty Twenty-One twenty-two somewhere in there. There's one that this one that one, got a it up and I saved it. And I've got it everywhere. Now, I've sort of posted up on my Twitter account, my Facebook, Facebook, and all that kind of thing. Yes, it's got some kind of like Commandments almost like he's got like 10 different rules or whatever it is. Yeah, that they're brilliant.

I mean, that's just the death that really, you know, that was kind of what, you know, brings out his character or his his, his train of thinking, that, that, that will do you think about it. They're even more seventh, really. But even six, it was, it was not a six was pretty balanced, but it was not a balanced game. It wasn't about that, that wasn't what it was supposed to be, you know, and and once it changed yes, there was nothing

wrong with that. I mean, it made it better in a lot of ways I suppose for most people that, you know, but it was supposed to be fun. It was just like kids playing dirt with a bunch of troops, but it gave you some boundaries, it gave you some Direction. You know, some back story to some of the things but it it was just fun.

It was fun. Yeah, I think I think going back to that balance argument because I know a lot of people go on about that and the might my argument would be to that is that Rick president said it himself when he went into designing these rules because he you know he did it since you know version one I guess but you're dealing with fantasy armies. You're not you're not dealing with remainders men. Like in historical, if you want really balanced armies, you should play historical games

because maybe the technology. It was different like Romans verse the goals or whatever but you know, essentially you're fighting man against man. Yeah, yeah. And the fantasy you know you've got a troll, you could Giants and Dragons. You got all these kind of fantasy, you know, different kinds of creatures or whatever it might be. Yeah, that you know, you've got a, you've got to give some kind of leeway to that, you know, in the point system is trying to Mitigate.

Yeah. And that kind of thing. We're trying to balance things because, you know, but if that's if that's what you want to do then, you know, go for it. But I mean that's not going to be fun for either player, right? So I mean, he always says, please feel free to change any rule that you don't like and then, you know, and it's about playing in the spirit of the Rule, that's the point, you know?

Yeah, and it could be also, the latest to put the kid that you playing all the person you're playing, has more money than you and they could buy all these. Yeah, exactly. All these Miniatures that you can never have. And you've got, you've got all the crummy Plastics that, you know, those cheap in sort of your in the in the half-price bin and that's all you could afford, and you're going to get absolutely rained by this guy. Exactly. Yeah, and they are definitely there.

They're not even enjoying the experience, the rolling, the dice so fast that I can't even pay attention to what's happening. You know, it makes my head spin and and I'm more like down on the table and looking at you know, the entry width of the scene you know and the story about this guy surviving or not or are they you know pass them around check they shouldn't have and you know and they're just

about crunching numbers. I mean we could just as well be doing it on paper as As opposed to on the table because they're not seeing the spectacle, they're just, they're just playing chess, you know. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And that's that's what I think. Other people are trained for that kind of enjoyment of the game. May be chases it better, but it is a way of determining a winner or loser feeling this but that's, you know, are somewhat like-minded in.

Have a good time. I know my gaming, buddy. The lives close to me. We are so much the same that we just have a blast every time regardless of how how the dice roll you know. Exactly. Like, you know, I think now we're at an age where we probably got enough money to buy the armies that we want and we've got enough time to sit down and think about, okay, why are these two armies facing each other? That's right. Some something that's sort of going to. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

I think when we were younger, we also just playing pitched battles and like you know, who can take the most nastiest combination of magic items and stuff like that and it was like yeah it was a bit of a contest between, you know, who could get the who could kill the other guys, gentle quicker, you know,

that kind of thing. And it was it we weren't really playing in the spirit of the game but nowadays, we can reflect more on that and say okay well now I'm sort of, you know, quite quite happy just to play to a story. Just to have fun and play small alarming things, and that kind of thing, winning the story. And then and of course, it's just fun to see your painted Miniatures. Exactly the table and it's just, you know, fun to get together with a buddy. It's the whole experience, you

know? It's as much. Yeah. The gaming part is definitely the social part in the kind of the spectacle, and the painting is the relaxing and the Preparatory and the planning. And that's all fun too. So I guess I like the whole package. I enjoy working on the train for me, just as much as doing the Miniatures and everyone's w a nice little distraction from the meticulousness of miniature painting. Yeah, I totally great night.

It's now what? I think we're acting as you get older and you've got the chance of buying all those models that you really wanted and you've got more time now. Maybe, do you actually work on the terrain? You've got more skills. Now that you're sort of acquired over all those years and now it's more like okay. Well, now I can actually achieve a lot of things that I maybe I've made up my own experience or knowledge or something.

Yeah, my you, if you like me, you need those magnifying lens that clip onto my glasses, and I can't see, I don't even like those guys on my readings, and I just up this weekend to 2.0 toes because I'm like, I can't see that anymore. Keep pouring more light on it, and it's like, well more lights. Not help it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. This week more moglia. It's good to know.

Yeah. But yeah, I think we're having fun that I think I think, you know, now we've got a good group on Facebook. We got, you know, great communities online that we're sort of supporting each other helping each other, you know, motivating each other doing great things and it's the same getting better and better as the community grows. That's going to have any impact, I think because I was a little concerned at one time, what if the nude Games Workshop? If they do come out with a good

a good game? Is that draw, everybody away from this? You know, maybe some but I don't think it's, I think people are kind of finding what they like and they're deciding that, you know, the Nostalgia, Nostalgia is a strong pole for one thing, It isn't it stronger than anything, that's it. I don't care honestly, I mean good luck against worship whatever I do in their future endeavors and yeah this whole world project if it attracts

more people into. Yeah, I know it's weird but it's not going to be, you know, something else. And I don't want to get it. I don't want it. Schemes work - exactly, always more power to them and anybody that's in the tabletop hobby, you know, as an ally for sure. So, but I just know for me, I likely can't see getting drawn

in and I can't see him. Releasing the ratone Ian's again just because they can't really copyright that, you know, basically the bertoni's I'm painting were done by the Perry brothers. And they are basically kind of Hundred Years War time Miniatures which is my favorite period in history of A of medieval history and so I can't imagine they come up with something that I want more than these five to pick my favorite miniature.

I'm not even sure I can. I mean I just I really love the entire fifth edition Bertoni online. I just really do. Well that's that's that's great. If you like all of them that's awesome. I feel the same way about my dogs and my my organ gold until next month and paying you too. Exactly, that's the way I feel. Oh, geez. Yes, about 2:00 in the morning.

Now here at the moment so I know I can I think I think what we might have to do, even though I could I could talk to you, honestly, maybe I could talk to you for a few more hours, easy, and we got, we've got it. We've got to catch up again for sure. Because I want to, I want to touch base with you on your on your army project and see how that's going and and just see how you doing that. So, thank you, thank you so much again for joining us, it's been

a pleasure talking to you doing. Shin is a good thing to me. So, Well that's that's goodbye now and I want to encourage you to keep going with your channel and keep going with your attorney and project keep sharing what you're doing. Because I show you show you some. Yeah, images of your spearmint unit that you're working on now. So we look forward to seeing those in a future future post that you put on your shoes. First time ever.

When I put my name out there, okay then I always think you shouldn't put anything on social media that you can't stand behind. And so if I can't put my name by it, then you know exactly want to be, you know, browned or five or something. And then you can just spew whatever you want, I'm going to take I'm going to take the Heat or credit for whatever I say so that I always think that keeps you honest that way too. So That's it. My the scoot announced that's a good thing about actually.

So yeah, people want to check out, Dan's work, please go to his channel and Dan bjurman, just search it on YouTube and you'll find it. No problem and you can see a lot of Dan's like Vlogs on his Battalion Army and his historical stuff as well. It's a lot of really nice terrain that he features in his videos as well, which I quite like which is quite a little bit different so that, you know, he's displaying this models on his Scenic scenic train boards

which is Nice to see. So yeah, it was really cool Dan. And yeah, keep going with that mate. And keep us and keep actually. Yeah, put those, if you can post your pics of all the stuff that you're doing now, honored, here, we have a group. I keep urging people to do that. So we've got more and more content, you know, it's coming every day and that's inspiring people to pick up their old projects that they made. It may have left on the shelf and they think Yes.

I think what? They're going through the same thing we're going through. We'll sort of Vasily discovering the hobby again, agreed, and finding a love of. Yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome to see each other. Keep moving forward. Definitely, I will definitely keep in touch, definitely on YouTube as well, or on the group, like, what's, all right? Thanks very much for your time and hope you and your family. Keep safe during this time, man. Well, that brings us to the end of another podcast.

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