But anyhow mate, look, it's really good that you come onto the onto the podcast. I'm really happy. Like I said, I'm really happy Anybody who says, yeah, I'll come on the podcast and have a chat with you or whatever and take at the time of their day to come and chat with myself and the audience at the Crown of Command. But mate, you've been quite prolific in making terrain. I have, yeah. I sort of started doing like kind of 3D models for my own 3D printing.
I started 3D printing like nearly a decade ago. I bought a really cheap I bought a really cheap 3D printer because I've I've got a history of through my work through 3D modelling things. But normally just digitally there's no physical stuff and I I just started tinkering with it messing around with it and and then when I got back into the hobby I discovered obviously that there was loads of things
out there you could print. And being me I was never quite satisfied with what anyone else had designed. So I started designing my own and putting stuff out there.
But yeah so I think the stuff that that that you you were quite interested in the Bastian which is like a take off of the old the old 90s kind of studio model that they had a few changes to it. I've I've tried to I've given it a bit of battle damage and a little bit of reinforcement and I redesigned the ramp at the back because I spent ages digging through the digging through like old white dwarfs and old rule books and and army books Codex's and stuff like
that. Trying to find a picture of the back of it, it was really difficult. And then when I did, I discovered that the ramp at the back was like a ski slope. And I was like, I'm not putting any miniatures on that because they'll, it just rolls straight there and you know, So yeah. And I did, yeah, I did the kind of 3D version of the old cardboard ruins. Yes, I saw those. They're great.
Yeah, awesome. It was that again, that was just because I, I I went online to look at the cost of getting a full set of the actual cardboard ruins and I was like, I'm good, thanks. I'll go make my own, you know, I'll go design my own and I like to do it so that it's it's all for like FDM print. And that's what I like what I do with, like I just have an end of three.
Now I replaced my very cheap old one with an end of three because it was just starting to wear out and so, So there's nothing you know like and all my models are printed on that and I designed them so you don't need to use supports. So there's no major overhangs or you print it in parts so that you can put it together with. Any overhangs are taken by the the way you print it, because printing with FDM you get kind of rough edges where the supports have been.
It's not perfect kind of underneath things. So if you've got like a square door frame, you might be able to bridge across, but if you've got a support underneath or you've got something that's overhanging like that, you need to, it's you need to have something underneath and you pull that off afterwards and it just leaves a bit of a rough surface underneath. So I've, I hate that. And so everything I do is designed to be printed without these because that just comes out cleaner.
But yeah. You keep looking over there, mate. That's, I'm assuming all the terrain sitting on the table over there. There is, yeah. The Bastion is sat right over there so you can look across my message. It's a it's a gorgeous piece of dress. So as as far off in the distance over there. But yeah, yeah no it was really fun to do as well actually.
I I just it's just something that I enjoy doing and yeah I was I started doing it for myself and but I kind of like the extra bit of challenge of trying to make it so it's nice and easy to print for other people and what have you kiss because I like making things difficult for myself. I'd imagine. I know, I know my my good friend Carnifex is a a fan of yours and he he he printed those, you know the the card stop buildings that you made and they paint it
really nice too. They look really good, so. No, they they he he did, he did a nice job of printing them and and painting them. So it was that it's really nice. I don't I don't see a lot of it. It's always really nice to see you and someone's been like making my models, it's it's it's
very satisfying. So it's always it's always nice to see people sharing them so. Yeah mate, that's it's a lovely, lovely thing if you can create something and I don't know what programs you're using to do it, but yeah, to something. And yeah, I'm really surprised. You've been doing it for 10 years, like almost a decade. Is is printers been around for
that long? 3D printing's a really old technology, actually, Really. So it goes back to the 70s, but it's always been so he's been like that. It was about 10-15 years ago, it started being a thing where people started making kits that you could build at home, right? I think who was it? There was a company, I can't
remember now. There's a company who who started making just like here you can make a thing that you can print at home and it's it's like one of the reasons that the filament is .75 millimetre diameter is because it was it was originally they were built to print with strimmer. You know, you get the the kind of strimmer for doing the edges of your grass and it's got this kind of wire that you pull out of the bottom of it. Right, OK.
So to make the kind of blade that does the trimming, yeah, that was what these kind of early home printers were printing with because there wasn't anything else. So they were just melting like this stuff. So we. Call we call Wicker snippers in Australia whipper sniper. All right. I've never heard you guys have got, you guys have got like, great names. Yeah, the old whipper snipper bloody hell. Whipper snipper cord. Holy shit for a thought. There you go.
That's why it's that diameter that's the kind of standard Bringers, because it's the same for that, yeah. But yeah, no, it's it's great. I think I've said all the places. I just love being able to pick things out of my imagination and have them exist.
All of a sudden in front of me. It was always one of the things I liked about doing like 3D artwork was that you know you kind of take things and you make them kind of real and but yeah, now doing it actually kind of with a physical with a 3D printer, it just gave a whole new kind of dynamic to it and I'm I'm sometimes far too ambitious. I've got about 20 half finished projects on my computer but that I'm still trying to figure out kind of logistically how you
make them. But but yeah, I like doing done a few vehicles as well as scenery. I did like a kind of redesign of the old battle wagon and something that I'd always wanted actually despite the fact I don't collect appeal guard as the do you remember the very first epic Lehman Ross? Yeah. There was a really, really early one that didn't look quite like the kind of one that we all know now. It had like ball sponsons and things like that.
Like the sponsons were like spheres with the guns sticking straight out the side and it just had a slightly different shape and profile. And so I was like I'll do a version of that as well. So in 28 mil.
So because I always find that the kind of the Lehman Ross that came out in the 90s doesn't look quite right with the old Rogue Trader Imperial Guard, there's something not quite right about the style of it. It's much more of the kind of 90s style rather than that kind of late 80s Rogue Trader era.
So as like I wanted to make a Lehman Ross that looked like it fitted in with like the old the the original Rhino and Predator and the original Land Raider. Love all those kids, Love all the Markons. They're great. Yeah. Well, I might actually have your Your Land Raider then, if that's the one that I have here that you designed. I think I might have your your design, Inmate I. Think No, no, I didn't. There was a Lehman, Ross. I did not a Land Raider.
Sorry, the Battle Wagon Battle or Battle Wagon? Did you do that one as well? I did one, yeah. There's quite a few out there. I might it might not be that one but that was that was I think when and I did the I did the the old Cardstock bunker as well. I think that was the first thing I actually didn't release. Do you remember the what was? It right? Is that the 1:00 I've got?
I think kind of fix sent me a whole heap of stuff and I painted recently if that, if they're the same ones that you did. I don't know if it is. Again, it's one that there's a few of them out there. But my mine I think. I think, I think I oh, I I did see you used the ones in the were they in your Gene stealer? Yeah, that's the one. Subtle report. Yeah. No, they're they're different guys. I think they I. Don't know. Yeah, yeah. I I saw those and you you would have had to use supports to
print them on an FDM printer. I think Carne FX has done them in resin for you. I don't. Know. Yeah, no idea. I just get them sent in a box. I have no idea where they come from, how they printed. Who prints them. I have no idea. I mean the, I mean the. So are you planning on getting into 3D printing yourself? Then What's that? Well, that's an interesting thing because obviously it's the big bugbear in the room and it's out there. It's it's being used by people.
Even today I was watching something on Instagram with John Stallard of all people from Warlord Games, with his 3D printed camels that he's using in some of his, one of his Arabic renaissance army or whatever, whatever the hell it is. But even he's using printed models, you know, so it's just they're everywhere and on Kickstarter. I was on the Kickstarter for the Futsal Vikings range, and I haven't been to Kickstarter for a very long time, many years, because I've just just been not
interested in Kickstarter at all. But then I saw other it gives you some kind of related Kickstarters based on the thing your your search. And a lot of all the other Kickstarters that related to that in miniatures are all through 3D printing. You know World War 2, it's, it's fantasy, it's it's science fiction, it's everything you can think of, anything that's modeled, that's created, it's done through 3D printing.
So obviously it's it's come leaps and bounds since I first heard about it, which it would have been, I don't know how long, five years ago, six years ago, it seemed to be more prolific then people were getting them in their homes and you know people were printing things and that kind of thing. So obviously it's it's becoming more and more prevalent now in the war game industry and whether they're using it to print out test models and then that model is then cast and then
made into metal, I don't know. But yeah, for terrain it seems for me like a really good way of doing things. Because it's definitely, yeah. Great designs out there for terrain, Not, you know, just your stuff and other people's stuff. The Barrens war thing I really like, but it's all STLS and there's things that I think the 3D printer can do that I just cannot do by hand, even though I really respect the old style of making terrain by hand using
materials. But I think the 3D printer delivers something that you just cannot do. I think I think both of them have their place to be honest on the tabletop I I I think I shared some like you know like kind of rock stacks that I made with the Wii one recently. You know these kind of big kind of towering rock formations that you used to get in in White Dwarf in the 90s.
And I made some of them just out of pizza boxes and tissue and a bit of sand recently and they look great, you know, and you could you could 3D print something like that. But it's it's still nice just to sit down with some glue and a pair of scissors and turn a pile of recycling into into some nice terrain. You know it's so and and it was great sitting down. Like I say, I did it with the wee one and she's quite happily kind of splodging glue on and making a bit of a mess. So yeah and yeah.
So I think, I think both, Both ways of doing terrain, certainly. But 3D printing, yeah, it gives you for doing between buildings and things like that where you're going to spend ages trying to kind of get you all your bits of plastic card or card cut neatly and then stuck together and things like that. It can, it can just take a lot of that kind of hassle out of things. So yeah, so I think I need to get some more terrain on the go.
It seems to be kind of the more popular stuff on my on my cults. Not that. Not that. Not that I've made a lot, not that a lot of people are downloading it, but I think so. But yeah, I'm not. I don't think I'm going to be making a career out of it anytime soon, put it that way. I'm happy. I'm happy you've got a job in the industry where you're making 3D models and that kind of thing.
I did try that newly for one semester and boy oh boy by the end of it I was about to throw my computer out the window mate. I was so I was so pissed off with it. I I forget what the what the program was that I made it, but I actually did. I did something related to my hobby. I I made a anvil and I made the the runesmith's helmet, hammer and shield based on the 4th edition model and that was all OK with the with the instructor and everything like that. That was fine.
So I did it all. I'm trying to think of the program now, but I can't remember the bill. It's just a pain in the ass. And I just thought, I never want to do this ever again. So I respect people who can make models in those kind of programs who have the mind for it. There's there, there's a certain level of patience. And I hear that Brodiak, when I talk to him over in Norway, he's talking about that process of making or making the supports on
models. And that kind of thing is is just as relaxing as painting for me. It's not. It's just not for me. I mean, I've tried it, I've given it a go, but it's just not my cup of tea. And but I respect yourself. Who can make these things? Yeah. And I, let's say I had a there was a thing when I was in school that, you know, I don't know if you get like graphical communication or whatever Australians call it. That's why you're doing like tacky drawing.
Technical, technical. Stuff like technical. Drawing. And it was like the first class of that. And I'd missed the first week. I think I'd been ill And they sat down and they they give you this big wad of a three sheets of paper and you've got like the front, the back and the side of a shape and you've got to draw it in an isometric on the page. And my mate Simon was next to me and he was like, oh, you're going to struggle to catch up.
This is really difficult. And the teacher comes over and says right, OK, shows me how to do the first one, he says right let me know how you're getting on. And about half an hour later I'll put my hand up and the teacher comes over and goes, oh Callum, what can I help you as you know, as what you what you struggling with. And I went, I've finished these and he looked at me and he went,
that's a terms work. It was just it was something that just immediately clicked in my head is just 3D 3D shapes and things like that. And so that's, you know, that's why I've ended up doing it as work and why I quite happily do this. So but yeah no it's I never thought I would like if you'd told T like teenage me back in the 90s that I was going to be making miniatures of my own design at some point. I wouldn't have believed you.
But it's it's someone I'm very proud of and as I say, I don't I don't necessarily think it's good it's it's something that I'll be making a career out of. But it's really nice to see other people enjoying them though and it's that's why I like to share them, is just to see other people doing it. So that's a cover the cost of all my filament. Yeah. And I was going to say you've been very, you know, you've been very generous in sharing a lot of your files. Now this is through 3D Cult, is
that right? Yeah, right. OK. So yeah, if you look at Doctor Spoke or if you look at Oldhammer, they're all tagged as Oldhammer because they're all kind of like 90s, late 80s, nineties kind of designs. I'm just finishing up a couple of Chaos tanks at the moment. I don't know if you remember there were these old epicasts, kind of resin ones that were made in the 90s that like a a rhino and a predator. But they've got like skulls all over them.
It's like a lot of the, you know, like big skulls, big stupid, kind of weird skulls on them. And I really like that. And I thought, you know, I'm, I'm putting together some emperor's children very slowly. And I thought, you know what I need? I need a rhino because. And so I thought I'll do one of those and I really enjoyed it and I thought I'll do a Predator
as well. So it's kind of a mix of the the Epicast resin kit and a bit of the original Predator and original Rhino, and then just my own stuff thrown in on top because I like to add something to myself to these things, so. Oh cool. I'll look forward to seeing those designs that sounds very interesting. I the epicast. Is that not armour cast? Is that something different? There was similar kind of company I I don't know if they were licensed like armor cast
was. All of that stuff was sort of looks close enough to be used in a game but not like that's not like the like the armor cast Bane blade which was just basically a scaled up epic bane blade. And the the the armor casts gargant as well. Christ, I love it. It's enormous. It's like 2 foot tall, that thing, because I don't know where I'd keep that. So imagine putting that on the table in Games Workshop in the 90s. It's like, yeah, sorry, this doesn't actually fit into the
deployment zone. I think, I think they used those during, I think I talked to people like that this bit because I think maybe people have missed it or never saw it, but they actually played at games day, epic scale games using 28 mil models. So they had like the, you know the the 20 because in epic scale obviously it's six mil, but they made it in 28 mil using marines, you know 5 to a base everything was exactly the same but just upscale under 28 mil.
And I think they used those those armour casts gargants and Titans during those games day demonstrations because it's more of a participation thing. You could get up there on a on a on a table and start walking around and moving the guys around. So it was quite funny to see those photographs now, but. Yeah, I remember seeing things like that at Games day in the 90s. I think I went a couple of times and pressed my nose up against the glass of all the Golden Demon Entry.
So I'd have been. I wouldn't have been that old at the time. I was just like, there's the local Carlisle Games Workshop, organised a bus and you all got to stay overnight upstairs in Games Workshop and then set off at like 3:00 in the morning to get down to Birmingham or something in time. Yeah, that's the kind of like, it's the kind of nonsense you just couldn't do these days.
You know, There's no way that, like, we're just going to leave like kind of 20 to 30 small children with two random guys that work for games, work jobs. I never did that like a sleepover at Games Workshop. Wow. And if I was a Kidman, I mean, I'd be like this, a dream, you know? No, I think. I think I just ate sweets like mad and I don't think I slept. I think I remember, I think on one of them my dad picked me up from Carlisle at like kind of probably like 9 at night after
after the day. And he was just pulling off onto the motorway outside Carlisle. And I was chatting tent at the Dozen, and halfway through a sentence I just fell straight asleep because I just hadn't slept the whole time and I'd just been gobbling sweets and high on sugar non-stop. Yeah. I'm glad you still remember that then. That's lovely. That's a good memory. Yeah, that's that's.
I have a lot of fond memories, a bit like kind of Games Workshop, and I used to go there every Saturday with my mates and play games and paint miniatures and take part in silly competitions. They had a thing called There was there was a weekly competition called the Feely. Box. Oh, tell. Me, it was a it was a cardboard box with a hole in the top of it.
And they would put like something like a miniature in it, and everybody would take it in turns, put their hand in the cardboard box and they had to say what the miniature was. Right. And then at the end, whoever guessed right or got closest could decide if they wanted what was in the feely box or the mystery prize. And sometimes the mystery prize would be like a box off the shelf, or sometimes it would be something worse than was in the feely box. So you never knew.
So, but yeah, no. I remember like, I got like the Terminator for my Wolf Guard with an assault cannon, came out of the feely box because I was like, I need it's actually, I did it. And that's like, I knew exactly what it was. And I said it's a it's a terminate with an assault cannon. The assault cannon's just slightly sitting slightly low. And then they jokingly went, Oh yeah, and what what chapter is
it? And I went and they just looked and felt it a bit and I went, that's Ultramarines, isn't it? It's like just joking, like, you know, you can't tell at all. And they turned out it was and they were just like and they went, do you want the, do you want what's in the feely box or do you want the the mystery prize? And I'm like, no, I need that for my wolf guard. I'll take the Terminator. Thank you.
And and they went, that's the right choice this week because the, the mystery prize was the terminated which was a skull stuck to a 25 mil base. That was what you would have got instead. So that was like a booby prize that week. So no. Yeah. Great fond memories of of all that kind of thing. And I kind of the world's so different. There were Games Workshop kind of that. That just doesn't happen there anymore, so. No, no. So it doesn't. And then we're going to go for a
quick ad break. And when we come back, we're going to talk more about your history, about how you got into Games Workshop and what laid down this this radical path of collecting miniatures and sleeping over before Games Day. So we're back in just a moment. If you are enjoying this podcast and the content on the Chronic Command Games YouTube channel, then please consider supporting me on Patreon.
Becoming a Storm Boy allows you access to behind the scene news information of upcoming podcast guests and themes, video battle reports, and occasionally exclusive podcasts with special guests or fellow patrons. And coming soon are painting videos which we made to give you the skills and tips on painting in the red period using modern paints and practical
applications. And you can also access one to one painting lessons in the heavy LED Master class tier for a 40 minute personalized painting lesson. So check out patreon.com/the Crown of Command podcast. How did you actually get into the games which you've probably made? I and my my brother collected it. He's what, about six years older than me? So when I would have been kind of, you know, 678, I still hadn't kind of starting to
collect all these things. And yeah, I I would steal his white dwarfs and read them and things like that. And then as he got into his late teens, I bet he he kind of moved out of the hobby and I basically inherited all his stuff. So I was left with a load of kind of late 80s, just a big mix
of stuff. I remember I had bits of Space Hulk, I had bits of old Warhammer fantasy, I had kind of old bro trader stuff, bits of yeah, I had the space crusade dreadnought, but I don't think I had any other bits from space crusades and things like that. So you know, just just just a big mix of things. And he'd he'd mainly collected walks and goblins fantasy, because I think he'd got the was it 4th edition that was the high elves and goblins. Yeah he'd he'd got that starter set.
And so I got all that as well and that led me on to ended up with like in in the in the mid to late 90s probably 9697. I had a 5000 point open goblin army. Wow. Yeah, I didn't know anybody who could actually field an army to take it on. And mostly painted as well. Not necessarily very well. But yeah, I just, that was just what I I any time it was a birthday or I got any money, it was then Games Workshop get
something new. And also because I was in the Games Workshop every weekend and entering all these competitions at at Win stuff as well. I think in the late 90s I entered a painting competition with some Space Wolves and I was it was the under sixteens I entered and I think I probably was 16 at the time or something like that. And I entered with a squad and I won the the squad and then I won the the the kind of overall for under sixteens and then I won
the overall for the whole day. So trifecta mate I think I think I'd put in a lot more effort than everyone else. Like I'd made a a scenic base for the whole squad and I'd painted up a banner and you know and I'd made it all specifically for the painting competition. And I think that gave me quite a lot. Like other people had just turned up with some of their miniatures that they played with there every weekend. And I think the staff were a bit like and this guy's put in some more effort.
So. But basically my dad had given me my train fare and enough money for some chips for my lunch. And I came home with like two boxes of I bought no box of units, an army box. So I've got a box of units for winning the kind of squad. I got an army box for winning the under sixteens and I got the box set with all the paints in and all the brushes and everything that was like back then was like £125 or something.
And I I got off the train with my arms full of boxes and my dad's like, where did you get those from? There's like taking fresh credit cards. Yeah, I didn't nick them. I'm not sneaking out of the shop with my arms full of boxes, AM. I didn't do them a chip money then. Right. Yeah, brilliant. So, so I would be entering like and I did like fancy dress where I dressed up as an Imperial Guardsman and me and my dad made this Las gun for me to take with them and I think I won stuff for that.
So, you know, putting in the effort and the time meant I could actually get quite a big lot of miniatures even on just kind of teenager amount of money because, you know, we weren't, we weren't rich or anything. So my parents weren't splurging lots of money for me to get all these miniatures. So, you know, I'd get Christmas and birthday presents and and then it was just what I could get with my pocket money the rest of the time. So, but yeah, no, I had that.
I had Spacewolf Army, funnily enough, as the ones that I didn't have the competition. I had a space orca army that was also quite big, including the handmade garden made it just made out of cardboard, yeah, just it was back then and they they let you play it in the shop back then. You know, if you you they they they weren't. They weren't that fussy about what you turned up with as long as it was painted. You bring chips. You were right, mate. You were fine, yeah.
I think I think I only got to play that was they put out the there was vehicle creation rules for 3rd edition in White Dwarf I think or something like that. So you could make any vehicle you wanted. And I was like great time for me to go mad building building nonsense and and I can take it into the shop and I can go. I've got official rules for this because I think it was Andy Chambers put it together.
So I mean I played 4th and 5th edition fantasy and I played a bit of 2nd edition 40K, but just because of my age at the time, you know, you're not necessarily playing all these things quite properly. And I think the first time I was playing anything properly was was was third edition 40K actually, which because they simplified the rules quite a lot then it was much easier to get a game set up and things like that
and. But I do remember having one big I think one big 5000 point battle with my open goblins. I managed to feel the whole army against two of my pals. One of them had a dwarf army you'd have liked, the other like you know the The Amble of Doom and had a had a squadron of gyrocopters and things like that.
But he basically just tooled them up with all of the all of the stuff he could throw at them to like bring the points up and up and up and up and up and up. So then just so that he could, I think he managed to field like 3000 points of dwarves and then one of my pal of the pals can't remember what he had then. It was maybe high elves. I can't believe we'd have put High Elves and Dwarves on the same side, but heresy putting their differences aside to fend off the OR cord.
Off your beard, that's what I would say, says the man who has a high Elf army directly next to his dwarf army there on the cabinet. So. Yeah, but you'd never field them at the same time. You'd never field them. Principles. That's exactly right. Exactly. Never trust an elf. That's what I'd say the skirts would be. Yeah. Lifted up and running off in no time. That's my experience with elves. So that's interesting. Man, is I'm. I'm really happy that your dad
got involved with your hobby. I mean, that's something like my and nothing to begrudge my father, but my father just was not interested in what I was doing in the hobby, that kind of thing. Like, he just wasn't interested. But it's nice that your dad, you know, helped me with the costumes. He drove you to the locations in the games, worship, whatever. I think it's lovely. I think he was quite happy to get rid of me. One day a week leaves a Saturday free.
But he also I think he does that's not fair on him. He's I think he he liked the fact that it was quite creative because I was very much always and still am. I like making models and I like painting models and I I do like playing the game. But definitely if if I had to choose between the two it's always going to be actually just creating the the doing the painting and and things like that and and and and and building things.
I just love it. I love, I love that whole kind of side of things and I'm trying to push myself. Now I'm going to, I'm going to be entering a painting competition start of May, but my first in person one. I entered a couple of online ones and won both of those. Just little ones. Nothing.
Nothing major but got some massive trophies like they're they're they're like Thor's hammer and someone's sprayed them gold and put a little plaque on them as as a fella sent them over from America for me. Yeah, I know, I know there's this, it's really nice and but yeah, I want to try to do it. So I'm going to a little event in Scotland at the start of May and I think you saw I've been painting the the avatar OK in the old 90s one. Yeah, that's cool, man. That's awesome.
But I'm I'm very slow at that kind of thing and and running a business and taking care of who we who we one means that I don't get a lot of time to to to really sit down. So, but hopefully I'll get it finished in time, I'll have something to put there and hopefully it's finished on my satisfaction, so. I hope so. It's really nice so far. Like what what you've shown on
their Discord looks really cool. So yeah, yeah, I mean I I can I can understand that you you you got a lot of other commitments that's taking away from your painting desk. But a model like that needs time. You know, you need to section small parts and sort of work your way through it because yeah, that's a big investment, a big avatar, you know, the jazz good on avatar of of Kane.
You know, you need, you need a lot of time to, you know, sink into that model to make it look absolutely beautiful. So that's good, mate. Awesome. Oh, it's just a model that I loved as a kid and I never had it back then. I think I got that one for £7.00 off eBay, including postage. It was dripping with paint like then I got it. That's what I like to do, is like I did the same. One of the one of the other painting competition entries was a a Chaos Lord and that was
another one. Whereas I think it's that model. I saw it on eBay for sale and I think it was like a 99 P bid or something like that really, really cheap because it was, I was looking at it again. It's the right shape to be that model, but it was just covered in paint and you just dump them in the Dettol, pull them out, give them a run over with the toothbrush and and then yeah, try and give them a new lease of life. And I find that really kind of
satisfying. Yeah, I think maybe that's a hobby in itself, like a like a restoration projects, like there's saving models that had like covered in like 5 layers of paint, you know what I mean? Almost, yeah. The the the Chaos Lord was, I mean, the Avataricane. You could at least see that it was still the Avataricane. But the Chaos Lord, I was just like, I'm going to take a pun on this one. There's something under there. I'll find out. That's for the mystery box. That one? The other one.
So yeah, no, it's it's been great getting back into the hobby and and just it's very satisfying. So yeah, I'm still looking over there at all my stuff. Now you're doing all that, mate. That's great. You're probably longing for it, you know, saying like, I want to really want to paint those models and I want to paint my terrain and and you know, like you say, it's, it's real life shit getting in the way, mate. You know what I mean?
Like you've got your, your, your your, your company, you're working on your family, you have to concentrate ONS. But yeah, the the time you have to sit down and paint, you really value that time, you know what I mean? So that's not that's nice, that's lovely, that's good. And it's important. You're doing it with your daughter too, like you're doing terrain with your daughter, which is lovely. Yeah, doing. I did some miniature painting as well. She doesn't. I do it when she asks.
I don't try and push it upon her and and things like that and what I did was actually 3D printed some miniatures at 56 mil scale for her because she's only she's quite wee and and so it's a bit easier for her to do and to hold and things like that and and she she had a great time and then we made-up a little game where she was trying to rescue a dog from a maze.
There was a necromancer a necromancer because she wanted to paint some skeletons and then I found these kind of anthropomorphic like these animals like so it's like a it's like a Bunny rabbit with a sword and a shield and a a cat with a in armour and and a snake with a big spear and things like that. So that was her kind of war band and I set up, I set up this kind of maze with Jenga blocks and and she had to get through the maze and rescue the dog and things like that.
And then she made a house for the necromancer at a Dupla. She's really sweet with that kind of thing and and like the Chaos Lord that I painted, I was entering a competition and the theme was it had to be colourful and so I asked her what he should be. So he was bright pink and turquoise. So he's like bright pink with these huge bright turquoise horns coming out, his helmet and a zebra print cloak and things like that.
So, so she was so you know, and I I won a competition with that, so I I might not have won it if it hadn't been for her excellent choice of colours. That's right. She's got a really eye for it, didn't she? You know, that's great. It's nice because. I like that about the bedroom battlefields, Discord that they have like a kind of. Like, I don't know what it's called, but it's. Like I like the hobby. Parenting. Hobby Parenting.
Channel I really. Like that kind of thing where it's, you know, introducing your kids to the hobby. And I think it's really important because it's those memories that your daughter have and other kids have that, you know, they they bring that through into the adult life. And I think, oh, that's right. I remember they're playing those games with my dad years ago with those little miniatures. And we, we did things together and, you know, rolled some dice
and stuff like that. That stays with them, you know what I mean? So I think that's a lovely little. Little, Yeah. You sort of just, you know, slowly getting them into like tabletop war gaming for the future is, if you like. Because yeah, a lot of us sort of discovered it through books or magazines and that kind of thing. And other people will just sort of introduce it through their parents or uncles or friends or. People at school and that kind
of thing as well. Mate, can you remember your first white dwarf magazine at all? I can't. I I've. I've. Racked my brain a bit less over the years and the The thing is is that I inherited a bunch of them from my brother all at the same time right.
And I can't even, I can't even. I've I've actually got a load of white dwarfs, old white dwarfs in PDF form that offend and I went through a load of them and I was trying to figure out which was the oldest one that I'd had and I just I can't pinpoint it exactly but. Yeah, I definitely had the one with. The cardboard bunker that I I
think I bought that. I think that was one of the first ones that I bought, but I'm not sure if it was the very first one that I bought for myself because I remember building the bunker terribly. It was a really, really wonky thing because I would have been. Oh, I don't think I'd have. Even been 10 at that point, I think it was me kind of trying to copy my brother and be like, oh, I could I get myself a white dwarf as well, you know? So.
Yeah, I really I it's a shame. I remember lots of great things from White Dwarf. Adrian would. I think they were talking about on the Discord, but he he built that the Dreadnought. I think it was for. Did he build it for a Gokumoka thing there? Was a there was AI think. There was a gokumoka thing where there was a dread dreadnought that had got loose and you had to try and stop it or something like that.
It was a certainly a game like that anyway, and he built it out of two of the old kind of space or catapults and bits of bits of the original Oak Dreadnought. Bits of the 2nd edition Oak Dreadnought as well were in there. There was like the metal panels off the side of the turret for the Hell Hound and there's this little extra armour panels and I remember looking at that and I think that was like something.
That really sparked. My brain of like, oh, I can make, I can make all sorts of things out of all of this nonsense. I sat and I picked out like all these different bits of it and I was just like, so he's just he's just made this out of out of nonsense. That's amazing. And you know, and then I've. I've hardly looked back since, so I'm. Sure. I appreciate that. That you remembered that. That's lovely.
Yeah mate, that's good. I think we'll have to cover that issue of White Dwarf together at some point. It'd be really nice to do with you.
I'll have a I'll have. A dig through and I'll I'll see what I can find and I'll let you know and and we can we can I'll really I'll really try a bit harder to find to find what I think was the the oldest white dwarf I had certainly so it's probably from somewhere kind of like possibly even pre rogue trader just but but only just kind of somewhere around that kind of era and. Was, but that was.
Like I said, it would be. It would be my brother that had bought it, but I would have inherited that kind of thing. I just spent so long looking through all those and, yeah, battle reports, they're great. I loved all the little graphics. Yeah. And and things like that. So who's it says there's a YouTube channel that does battle reports like that. These. Yeah. That's the one. Yeah, it's just. It's really did.
It just starts. Firing neurons in your brain that haven't been there, you know like been dormant for decades and this and they're like, oh, oh what's that? So no, yeah, it's I'll, I'll, I'll have a dig out and we can sort something out that's so oh, my dad do that. Yeah, absolutely. Obviously, like your favorite white dwarf, that's fine. Of those collection of white dwarfs your brother had that you you inherited just have a look
and see what you find. The most reminiscent but I think maybe the the sort of the cardstock building 1 might be a good one for you because it's like yeah I think it'd be good because it's a it's a the first building you built either if it's terribly or not or whatever it doesn't matter but it's it's links to you to being a terrain builder now in three that's also that's also the 1st. Thing that I produced for for 3D printing as well and that's the oldest model up on my Celts is
my my version of that. So so it does. Tie in a little bit. Yeah, now actually, are you? Actually gaming nowadays occasionally the. My wife kindly will, but but we we tend to play like we've played space weirdos and things like that. So so not actually. Oh, I did make her play more time, which is because that was the that was kind of actually, one of the things that got me back into the hobby was picking up a copy of the Mordheim rulebook in a charity shop.
I spotted it on the shelf and went, I'm going to go home with this. That's that's lovely. I remember that from when I was a kid. And it is is. It's one of the most beautifully. Complete and bits. I don't know if you've ever looked through the more time rule, but never have, never have mate. Sorry. No as as a single. As a single object, it is one of the best books that Games
Workshop has produced. There's lots of great books out there, but this feels from front to back cover like a single piece that has been beautifully put together. There's nothing that looks out of place it and and the artwork and has looks. John Blanche was I think really wanted to be in charge of the artwork for that and and it really shows that he, he kind of has got his fingerprints all over it and I think him and Thomas Perrin and really. Really obviously worked well. Together on it.
The game itself is interesting, probably. I think it was the first thing I got my wife to play. I think I got the rulebook home and I made some terrain out, some Lego, all right. And. Got some random models that I had from running D&D games and put together 2 war bands and and had to go. And I think I think so far actually I haven't played a lot of games with it. But I don't think I've actually won any games against my wife who has no experience playing
these kind of things. The closest thing she's got is like like kind of combat in in 5th edition D&D. And yeah, I said I've just the dice hate me, they absolutely hate me. That's like we played space weirdos and I had had like a little group of Imperial Guardsmen and they had an Ogre in in there with them and he was meant to be like the muscle with the big gun and first turn he just got wiped off the board and I was like that's that's most of my squads. That's like most of the points
in my squad gone in one. So yeah, so that's just the way it is. But you know she's she's very understanding place but I need to try and find a club to go play at or something like that. But that's just finding the time you know you got to drive there spend an evening there and drive back and yeah so I'll figure something at some point but as I say I'm I'm I'm very happy just creating yeah that's good that's that's the bit which really my. Wife and my My wife will laugh.
At me because I like. We'll be going to bed and she'll have gone to brush her teeth and half an hour later she'll come back through and she go, are you coming through? You know, can I turn the lights off? I want to go to sleep and I'm sitting there just looking at something I was painting earlier this evening. I just spent like half an hour staring at what I've been painting and looking, looking at what I can do next, looking at bits that need tidying up and and things like that.
And but at the same time that gives me real satisfaction of just looking at this thing that I've that I've created and and that I've. It's good, good for your mental health. That's what I find with this hobby. Absolutely. Next. Absolutely jazz. I need to. I need to. I need at some point I may well up my Patreon tier on your Patreon and get some painting lessons from you. Yeah, please do mate. Preferably to to to you.
Might be able to help me paint a bit quicker because painfully as I look at your Commission projects and I'm just like that's like years for me to paint one of those, yeah, unfortunately, unfortunately. Speed comes with time, my friend. Speed comes with time. It's I've been painting for over 30 years now. Would you believe it's? I saw some of the it's quite I. Think I think you you shared some of the ones. That was it Dark Elves that you did for Games Workshop back in
the day? Yeah, yeah, I I showed some of. The Battle Book Pictures from the 5th edition. Some conversions, but again it it like I know I did those, but the the Lisbon, I think I did the Lisbon unit, but apart from that it's very sketchy. I did some conversions and stuff like that, but I can't really remember. It's so long ago now. Oh yeah, yeah, I know. I was on the air for like 4. Months. It was like a very, very short time.
So yeah, the hazy memories of Gang's Workshop, Nottingham, the studio. Yeah but hey mate look it's been a a wonderful time to talk to you. I really enjoyed meeting you and seeing you for the first time and putting a a face to the name.
Thank you again for your patronage and I I look forward to, if you do decide to jump on the painting tutorials, let's let's let's just try and see what what we can do because I I can sure, I'm sure I can show you some hacks or quick ways of getting stuff painted quickly that you can get them, but it depends. I mean, some people like to take their time within miniatures, like you're doing with your avatar and, you know, projects. Like that take a long.
Time to to complete. And if it's if it's for an army that you're painting like a mass amount of models for, then yeah, OK, maybe some simple solutions for those would be really helpful. So it really depends on what you want to do, so let me know I I will. Do no. Thank you very much for having me on. It's been an absolute pleasure. I hope. I hope somebody finds this me rambling interesting. I certainly did. I certainly. Did I enjoy it? Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
It saves my wife haven't listened to me for an hour. Do you want to go to bed? Soon, but it's been good to talk to everybody. I happen to podcast mate. Honestly, it's it's lovely to meet all these people around the world, including yourself. And yeah, mate, look, I've got, I've got to go and feed my boy downstairs and I think it's about like 8:00 up here now, so I better go down. I won't keep you from that then, yeah. And keep him company and and. See what he's doing there.
He's probably spent about the last two hours playing his his Nintendo Switch. So it's time to switch that off and eat some food. So thanks mate again for your time today. Really appreciate it. I know our listeners do, and I look forward to going through your first White Dolphins in the future sometime. Yeah, I'll, I'll. Go and get a I'll go and look up a copy of that and have a look through it. And so now thank you. Thank you again for having me on and we'll just walk. OK.
Thanks mate. Thank. You.