Okay, so welcome back to the Predacamand. And with me, I've got my good friend, Carnifex. How you going, man? Yeah, pretty good. Been, you know, MIA for quite some time, but you're a very busy guy. I know that. So thanks again for your time to come on to the podcast to talk all about the glorious bastards we have in our Discord. So, mate, what were the highlights for you, mate, this last month or so?
It's been plenty of activity on the Discord, lots of new members, lots of like new nicknames popping up and people popping photos of like progress and completed armies and models. So it's been pretty cool as usual. There's a couple of things that I really liked in the last sort of couple of weeks. You have to remember things move very quickly in the
Discord. So you can probably like pop in once a week and have plenty of stuff to chew through, which is really good. But you know, it'll keep you entertained. One thing I want to mention is Clem showed off a board that him and his friends are playing a fantasy game on. And it's a very simple fantasy
board. So it's probably got like a neoprene mat underneath it. And then to peg out a fantasy farm setting, they use a variety of like hobby hedges and trees, but then also to represent sort of like different agricultural farms, something that a lot of people have probably
seen before is use different materials. So maybe some tufted like carpet squares to represent wheat, maybe tilled soil is just like a piece of felt, a brillo pad or something similar to represent some sort of greens or turnips or whatever. It's
very, very cool. So as far as fantasy boards go, they're generally very sparse with terrain, but this one is really clogged down with hedges and like fences and like sort of pillars and things like that. And little hills. So it was very cool to see something like that, Clem. She is always updating us on how your warband is doing. Paul Clem the merciless, hopefully he gets a win
in. Yeah, I liked his dwarf army that he's working on for the Call of the Crown challenge, I think it is. And his own miniatures sculpted by the very hands of Kev Adams at the latest of last years. Bring out your lead. So it's got his face kind of thing on it. It's pretty awesome. I really like those, those little touches there that, you know, personalize people's armies and sculpted
by the legendary golem master himself. So he's got kind of like a goblin dwarf hybrid head on the Clem the merciless. One of his slam models. It's pretty cool. But yeah, mate, there's so many good things going on. And like you say, this it's
always happening very quickly. Got Andrew, that's candle kettle trout with his amazing style and old hammer looking, you know, Orton goblin and for me looking miniatures and banners that he does and the handmade shields and stuff like that. So there's a lot of creativity and innovation with within the group as well, which is really cool to see. Yeah, he did some sketches of for me though, really
impressive. Yeah, they're really great. So it's not just like the top tier painters in our group. It's everybody. You know, so a lot of people are putting in a lot of hard work and dedication to making their armies as beautiful and as presentable for the tabletop as possible. So yeah, I mean, you know, it's just filled with lots of inspiration, which is
the greatest thing are looking at moshers. Also his freshly painted Bretonians and looks like he's doing the full tilt scenario with the little tents and everything and the whole sort of setup he's made, which I've just noticed now, which is
really, really nice. So yeah, there's so much stuff on there that you tend to miss it if unless you scroll back up and check out what people have been doing and how active they've been in the community lately. So it's always great to see
very refreshing. Yeah, there's been some cool stuff from the like the newer members like the Grognard or Brian he's been doing some cool ruins and using like putty and things like that to make those classic ruins you would have seen in White Dwarf 40k with like pipes coming out of them and stuff like
that. Really like that. Kim Nix is a bit of a deft hand at green stuff sculpting and she's done like a little 15 millimeter sci -fi guy, which is amazingly detailed for 15 millimeter and then working on some sort of like, I don't know, maybe frog or sland man with a spear. It's very, very cool to see. So
that's just in the modeling workshop section. I really recommend you guys check that out and especially if you're looking for inspiration on what
sort of terrain to make. Obviously, I'm biased and I really like 40k and I have to mention Jamie was showing off some original golf orc plastics from the second ed 40k box set and it's gone to a lot of effort to like paint on symbols and stuff like that on the back of those golf orc boys and for me for a cheap model that you got in the base set they've got a lot of detail on
them and then because they're orcs you have the option to go really, really wild and put checker marks and a little glyphs and stuff like that on them. So some people get really, really out of control with the amount of detail they put on them. It's always fantastic to see. I'll also mention Jean Steelecult has been sort of something that a lot of people have
been kicking around lately. So you've got Moody doing them in the Cowabunga challenge and you'll see images of those on the discord, which is really, really cool. And then people like Tsuno also showing off their Colt limo and Magus sort of like brings a purple tinge tier to my eye to see so much Jean Steelecult going on in the discord. Very nice guys. Yep, nice and really cool stuff. I think the call of the
crown is wrapped up after a six month challenge. So congratulations to everybody who's contributed and who's worked their butt off to produce some pretty amazing
work. So I think commendations go to like old man, old hammer mad, Bry, another Aussie compatriot who's done this wonderful looking beastman army and then photographed it on, you know, with an amazing background and, you know, trees and beautiful scenic kind of display here that's showing off his fifth edition, it's like a fifth edition beastman army,
which is really, really cool. David M with his really nice looking dark elf force as well. He's actually got a YouTube channel called fifth ed. So you can check out his hobby progress and vlogs on there as well on YouTube. And he's just uploaded uploaded his first battle report, which is basically like a six edition skirmish with dark, I think dark elves
and empire. There's loads inspiration. Matthias as well with his dark elves that he's working on. And you can just scroll up and keep going through and just, you know, in awe of, you know, the amount of work that's been poured into these armies and all these old models and stuff,
which is really, really amazing. Yeah, some of my favorite dark elf staff has been from, I hope I'm saying this correctly, I like how now that's a person with the avatar of a looks like Shiva Inu in a cage. But they've been doing these like fantastic dark elves with like really pallid skin with a purple tinge to them. Yes, lots of details on the face and the armor obviously really, really impressive. Ted
as well. That's odd gets hot Ted. Really big. Looks like a skink and well, it's a Elizabethan force, but yeah, lots of great color. And I think he's got people, you know, sort of transfixed on these plants that he uses. They're like, oh yeah, jungle, jungle plants, like terrain plants. Yeah, yeah. So he's really got a nice thematic board there to represent his Lisbon on,
which is really cool to see. But yeah, I also like that particular painter's style for his dark elves as well. I think that's a really nice dark style that's very atmospheric. And there's a few people like that as well. I think Wraith Wisp is another one of my favorites. He does also this sort of very dark atmospheric style and photography on his miniatures. There's a voice trend that's Ryan who's done a death skull
squadron. It looks absolutely stunning. Really nice. They're really cool. Yeah, great non -metallic medals on them. And we've got the Phoenician, that's Jimmy doing 15 millimeter terrain for his 40 K second edition games he's playing in Sweden, which is really cool to see. Very cute. And Highland Painting is always knocking it out the park and it's also Ben whisking
wizards. And you know, you can just you can just ramble off, you know, name after name after name of really great inspirational painters out there. You know, so yeah, look, you know, look, if you're not part of a discord, I'd urge you to come in and check it out. At least, you know, it's free. You can just jump in and and if it's not for you, you
can jump out. That's no problem. But yeah, it's it's a really cool place to hang out and be inspired by people and our hobby. Now, also today's guests are also two glorious people from Bavarian Germany. And they are part of the Dicehammer YouTube channel. And I know Khanifex is one of their subscribers and fans
of their content. So Khanifex, how would you sum up the Dicehammer's channel to German guys in shorts, play games in their basement and drink beer? I'm actually drinking a German beer now that I'm sure if I say try to pronounce it, like a lot of people will giggle. So it's something like Schofferhoffer. I don't know. It's a Heffwies, some sort of like beer. Nice. Yeah, some sort of wheat
beer. It's fantastic. I'm gonna love it better than Australian beer for that. Well, anything that's better than Australian beer, actually, to be honest, mate. Yeah, really truthful. Exactly. And like these guys, they play a real like big variety of games. But obviously, as I mentioned before, I'm biased. I
love the 40k second ed stuff. They do everything from tiny little skirmish games, which are actually pretty exciting because they can go either way with some bad dice rolls. They've played campaigns like proper campaigns, like the like dark vengeance between the Dark Angels and the Orcs,
which is really crazy. They've done their own campaign where like a randomly like a war portal appears on the board and you've got to like rush towards and essentially take and hold it like Codex Wars and things like that. Variety of terrain, everything from like snow and like sort of more traditional like cardboard fortresses that
you would have got in White Dwarf. So always happy to see it. And you know, I bug everyone who does a second ed battle report on YouTube by constantly like mentioning rules that they've stuffed up and things like that. I'm like a real irritant to people. So but these these guys do really well, really enjoy it. And I love their style. Yeah, now the great guys, I really had a great talk with them today in this in
this interview. So I hope you guys enjoy it. So yeah, and please I urge you to go and check out their YouTube channel, go and check out their content. Yeah, well, look, what keeps us all going is people like Dysama who make content for us that we can view and enjoy it's like sit back and enjoy when we've got spare time. So thanks for all the content
creators. Thanks to all the people in the discord who even just show us dub work in progress picks like it doesn't matter what it is or if you don't think it's great, we want to see it because
someone will like it. Yep, absolutely. We should do more of a community spotlight on someone out there and other glorious bastard out there in the community doing some pretty awesome work, either as a YouTuber, podcaster, just an individual just doing some really awesome stuff inspiring other people. Maybe a bloke called cutter who seems to have a huge Auckland goblins army. Oh,
really? Okay. Well, there you go. Okay, we'll have to, we'll have to, yeah, highlight his stuff at some point during one of our next live streams. Please check out the live stream we did last weekend, which was really fun. It was me, GM Cody and Kent fury talking all about 40k second edition coming back into it how to get into
it. If you're new to second edition 40k, and if you had played in the 90s and you're wanting to get back into it, how it what would be the best way. So we try to give you the best tips and advice as we can. And then we talk about the B dab system at the end. So if you haven't seen it, go check out that on my YouTube channel that crown of command games in the live section. But if you did you catch the
interview, don't make you did you listen to it? I did. And I think that the the main message of that whole stream is don't be a dick. I think it's really good times. Yeah. Yeah, it was really good. Yeah, I really enjoyed that. It was fun. So it was great. And I'm glad that Kent got to to, yeah, just get that off his chest. You know, some some things has been building up over time about the second really
funny. I won't mention specifics, but he does mention like some very dirty tactics someone used and straight away on the second ed Facebook group, there was discussions about what had happened and if he can even do that. So
it's very funny. Yeah, it's good that it's this controversial topic has brought a lot of people out and you know, people just voicing their opinions, you know, either either in either for or against the D bad system. So it's it's it's got not divided the community, but it certainly made it a little bit more controversial and people are being very opinionated about how they feel about it. So
that's good. It's good to have a bit of discussion about that and and what they think. But it's just, you know, like I said, it's just, you know, Kent's tournament structure that he uses and his club at Newcastle legions for his games that he organizes. So then if you wanted to play just pure second edition with all the, you know,
warts and all, then go for it. But if you want to play something that's alternative and try something new, then it's not such a big diversion from the original game anyway. It's just a few streamlined little set rules that allow more friendly, friendly lists basically and more tactical play. I think that's what that what he's trying to emphasize there after being a long, long term player of second edition 40k. I
would highly recommend you give it a whirl. Yeah. So links for that D -Bad system can be found in the second edition Facebook group. And so I'll leave a link here in the show notes for the podcast, if you want to check that out. And yeah, and again, you're going to check out the the live stream from the man himself. He won't hold back. And that's what I like about Kent. I respect him totally for
that. He doesn't care. He doesn't care who is going to offend or, you know, who's going upset. He's just going to let it out and say how he feels. That's great. That's that's the Aussie spirit. That's what I love about Aussies. Very. Okay, man. All right. Well, look, I won't hold Japanese longer kind of exon. They need to get to bed, mate,
before you need to work tomorrow. So until the next time, my friend, stay safe and enjoy your second. And it's good to see you playing the the the Jean Seller Colt too recently as well. Yeah. Yeah, manage scraped scrape to win. Very lucky. Could have could have been completely obliterated by orcs. You got to be careful. They've got all vicious five hour. Well, I can't wait to play you in person with my walks at
some point against your chance to the Colt. That'd be a lot of fun. Until then, mate, take it easy and I'll catch you again next time. Yep, I'll see you around. Thank you so much again for coming to the Chronic Command. Thanks for being invited. Oh, my pleasure. My pleasure, guys. So you're the men behind the the Dicehammer podcast, Dicehammer YouTube channel, sorry. And you both are from Bavaria,
is that right? Yeah, exactly. Right, great. Okay. And I think it's a wonderful story that you started off playing Warhammer 40 ,000 second edition when you were young, and you've come back to play it again later in life. So I really wanted to get you on to talk about your hobby history. I mean, how did you get into gaming and tabletop miniatures and that kind of thing? Marcus,
would you like to start us off? Yeah, to be honest, we didn't come back to Warhammer 40k second edition. We've been playing it for the last 30 years. Really? Wow. Okay. Whenever we entered a games workshop and talked to the staff, they told us, well, the present edition is the one which is closest to the old second edition one, just right out and buy some stuff and stuff like that. But we never played another
edition. It was a lifelong bond with the product. I was into fantasy and science fiction. And one day at the age of, let's say, maybe 15, I bought a box of a Star Quest, which was the German edition of Space Crusade, I think. And I bought the add -ons, the expansion sets. And then somebody told me this was just part of a complete universe of a game
of its own, which was sold in Britain. And then about one year later, my parents wanted me to do a youth exchange. And I went to Britain for three weeks. And during my time there, I found the first games workshop and I was really fascinated. And it was then the lifelong bond with their products. And I never wanted to do or buy anything as... I
still remember the first blisters. I bought the Chaos Terminator Captain, the one with the huge sword back then, the blister of warp spiders, and a deathwing Terminator Squad and a box of tactical plastic space marines. Because back then, I thought these were just kind of additional forces for my copy of Star Quest. And it was really exciting because I also, during the three weeks in our guest family, there were two
trips to London. And during these two trips, I spent the whole day looking for books on 1 .40K. And somebody told me back then, you didn't have mobile phones and stuff like that, that there was a second hand bookshop in a completely other district of London where I might get them. So I spent several hours on the tube asking people for directions and stuff like that. And when I arrived there, I really got a copy of Space
Marine and Deathwing. Oh, wow, nice. Fantastic, mate. That's great. And do you both live close to each other in your hometown? And now it has, yes. Of course, not the last 30 years. When we were pupils back then, of course, we live in the same town, but we started our study in the same city as well. But after that, I think I
moved to other towns in Marcus as well. But I think now, the last five to 10 years, we are both living in the same town once again. Oh, right. You've been reunited. So Alex, do you have a very similar story to Marcus in terms of finding Games Workshop games with Star Quest? No, to be honest, not. I came first in contact with Games Workshop products in my school time. And at a young I played some
kind of role play. I actually don't know if the system is now known outside of Germany because it's called Das Schwarze Auge, the Black Eye. And it's a German company which produced the game. And I'm coming from the role play community. And I think I was about 15, 16 when a friend of mine brought some Citadel catalogs back in school. And we scrolled them beneath
the table during the lessons. And there I saw the first time Space Marines and Elder and stuff like that. And then this was a group, I think, of three or four people, including Marcus. And then we really started getting into the game. Excellent. And 30 years later, you're still playing it. It's amazing. To be honest, it was a really period of time between or within these 30 years where
we didn't actually play that much. But we still kind of spent a lot of time painting stuff, especially Alex. I stopped for about took 20 years off painting, but still we're into 40k or the universe, read lots of books, bought stuff, even newer stuff. And then and played a lot of computer games. Yeah, exactly. Dawn of War. I didn't know exactly it was some kind of Hacks based game. I
think it was elder against the Imperial Guard. Not final liberation. I can't remember the exact name, but we played really a lot of computer games focused on the GW. Was it rights of war? Yeah, rights of war. Maybe you heard of it. I heard about final liberation. Final liberation. It was some kind of epic based computer game. And we even started playing Warhammer Fantasy back then. I
think it was the fifth edition. It was the box game with the Pritonians and Lizardmen or Scaven on the title. But I started with Orcs and Goblins and Marcus with Wood Elves. And we bought a lot of Hacks then and went to a convention and played our first game there. And there were about 10 to 12 people at the table and everything. Everyone was talking to us. I
have to move there. It was so frightening almost that we never played Fantasy from this point on. So we put our armies in the cupboard and just discovered them maybe three to four years ago. It was kind of really disappointing and frustrating because we were advised by 12 year olds. We hadn't read the rules properly. So we tried a mixture of what we thought the Fantasy rules really were and
Warhammer 40K rules. So it ended up in a complete mess. And I I boxed my Wood Elves for about at least 20 years. But luckily I didn't sell them because right now it would be difficult to get to them. These beautiful old ones back. And you have sold my Orcs and and again and about five years ago you told me you'd sold the Magic Box because we don't play it at all. We
didn't play it. Back in the fifth edition there was this red colored Magic Warhammer Magic Box of the Fantasy universe. And I sold it back five years ago. And then I sold the main box. And about three years ago Alex said it would be a great idea to get back into one of Fantasy because many people sold the completely wonderfully painted armies because the eighth edition was the last edition supported by against
Workshop because they replaced it with AOS. And I think it was a good time to get back into it because there were lots of stuff which you could get really cheap five years ago about. And I have to admit the idea that there's a final edition and you won't have to buy the next add -on and add -on and the next version and edition of rule books really appealed to me. So I said okay let's do some test games. And
it took us quite a long time. We were really grateful for every eighth edition video which could be found on the internet by then because when we started we had to read page by page in order to get at least the rules for our first two armies. You came back with the vampire counts. I still had my wood elves and then it was still a lot of time for the basic rules and the army rules. And
even now we do lots of mistakes. That's excellent guys. I'm really glad you found your love for fantasy again after all these years. And you gave it another shot. And I know you played eighth edition on your channel. Any chance of you playing any of the early editions like fifth edition going back to the old Horten version? We would like to do so but at the moment we are still struggling to get the
eighth edition stuff done correctly. I think we would need a kind of gaming group. Unfortunately our old one has split up after school because the four to five of us went to two completely different places. One of us our first orc player went to Great Britain, went to Scotland, then to London and now I think it's back to Scotland. And maybe if we meet others once we've been invited we were invited to a kind of
tournament near Ehrlangen -Hüchstädt, was it? About 100 kilometers from our current position. And then it's really a great atmosphere if you've got four or five or even eight other players who can give you a piece of advice and no older stuff or stuff we did wrong. In such these circumstances I think we'd be grateful to try out older editions.
Wonderful. I hope that's the case because yeah I love all your second edition content especially. Now as you said you've never stopped playing second edition for all these years but you sort of took a dip and you still stopped playing for a while. But I did notice you have a lot of untacted miniatures in your in your in your videos. Famously so. Not
notes of them. Alex I'm rather lazy. During the time we didn't actually play it was because both of us had smaller apartments. We were in the same town but we didn't have kind of room to put up table tennis set or stuff like that. And during this time Alex kept on painting and painting and painting and even did some kind of professional painting watching videos on painting buying lots of of colors and trying new
techniques techniques and stuff like that. I didn't paint anything and so there were truckloads of older minis and when I started I was a really I was a keen painter and everything had to be exactly the rate of the eye in the eye and not on the cheek or stuff like that. So even back then it took me at least one week to do
model properly. One I've kept some of my old models the inquisitor and the predecessor were among the first of them. I gave some of them to Alex because I had blood anches back then one of my first armies. And now having come back after 20 years of this gap I'm still the same kind of painting guy. I could move on quite faster but I said no let's come back oh there's still I
have to recolorate and I don't like this tone. I think I'll redo it and stuff like that. And so I have asked for help and found the first one it was an ad on Facebook and I've even phoned this guy he was very very nice but was honest and told me I
do kind of different stuff and different games. I wouldn't like to get into your kind of stuff and so I kept looking and I found somebody closer to us who's from Munich and I phoned its public and I phoned him and I think he's a one man company and he was
really great. I showed him some pictures and then sent my stuff to him and these are the Orcs because Orcs are an army you need many more than five models and despite all my efforts because I've been painting Orcs for the last nearly 12 months I've
only got about 15 models completed. So I sent about 30 of them including two vehicles to Patrick and within less than a week he's already got pictures of the painted menace on his homepage and the parcel is in transit is being delivered back to
me right now I've already seen pictures it's great. I think this painting partnership will help us to get at least as you might know we've got some standard lists of 1000 points 15 -2000 for our fantasy and second edition stuff and this should help me to get at least the small army blocks for fast games during maybe even under the week or at the
week and ready. Yeah I really enjoyed your tournament like a tournament series you did like very small games facing like you did almost like a lottery where you'd have all the different lists and I think that was some of your very first videos I really enjoyed that initial series you did and I think it's right to say that you have every single army for
second edition. I suppose so as even Marcus it even got the old squads which are really really nice miniatures I like them really a lot but unfortunately I think it's the army which is completely unpainted or is there some maybe one two miniatures that is painted but I think it's quite difficult especially these squads because they're so small and our eyes are getting worse and worse
every year so it gets every time more difficult to paint the miniatures but the squads is a really cool army and even when I got back then I bought the old Necron warriors and I've got three of the old destroyers and the scarabs and but the Necrons are really easy to paint in my opinion I just primed them in black and then tried crushed them with some metallics and here and there are some dots of
maybe blue or red and it's finished have you actually finished but yes you're right we all yeah you're right but we have I think almost every army now yeah in our asset have you actually finished painting the Necron army Alex have you finished painting completely a one destroyer is there to paint oh that's good three scarabs great like are you making some good progress then that's great fantastic but
at the moment I'm painting five raith guards of the elder because in our 2000 points army list I think there's a squad of five raith guard that's my actual project and we might need them for our great maybe it's really the final one good versus evil elder versus chaos cult is a kind of series we haven't created a playlist of its own yet but there have already been several minor battles against the sisters
of battle in peregaard inquisition dog angels and last time yeah one of them still survived the magus magus and the blood thirst I think so we'd like to do a really large final maybe 2500 or maybe even 3000 points of chaos cultists or maybe even demons against the elder wow that was a huge game yeah yeah particularly like the the cauldron of blood you have for your chaos army I think it's a it's
a armor cast model yeah I really like those yeah they're great it was gifted to me by market I think I think he gifted it me almost 10 years ago or 15 years ago to some birthday and it's a really cool model and and we really had a lot of armor cast stuff because we began to yeah to buy the first ones of them it was yeah around 2002 nobody liked to play them because they weren't real official games workshop
products and then I sold the first orc tanks later on I bought some stompers elix bought two or three elder titans even the largest one the phantom lord and I had a great gargant as well but around three or four years ago I sold many of them because to be honest I've had them for about 20 years and haven't even assembled them yet the chances of painting them or using them one day were really slim so I said
I'd better sell them to somebody who really works on paint wonders on them and maybe takes them to tournament especially mostly larger armor cast miniatures are rather in my opinion display miniatures because especially the huge titans are such overpowered I think you didn't have a chance to harm them and if both armies have one titan and the first titan falls then I think the remaining titan will vaporize the
army completely but we've kept some small ones elix has got a cool elder I think it's called warlock titan it's the smallest one now I think it's a wraith lord looks like he's got a sword over his slung over his shoulder or was it kind of maybe we play with this one because it's really a I think it's you can call it upgrade red not maybe it's a little bit better characteristics a little bit better armor
values but I think it's a fair chance you can knock him down with some less cans for example excellent and you've got one I think you've got one for the tyrannies too haven't you there's one for the tyranny I've kept several smaller ones so the largest one I've got left I've sold my reval titan but I've warhound left for the imperial forces and I've got several tyranid and orc tanks left and I hope to
do at least one of these orc tanks myself because one of them one of these gobs measures is already painted there's another one a scratch build one because in one of the white dwarfs there was a kind of a scheme which you could use to build one and I've got at least one probably two or three of each of the three tyranid ones they look great I like the models and I think I painted one or two for
them myself and they're at least one or two others which are painted but they are not for competitive games they look great yeah I think it's the exo prime you painted by yourself and you have a malefactor and how and how aspects I think these were the three published for the tyranid forces but they actually came with that when you bought those kits they actually came with a data facts sheet you actually
had rules and everything I still have got some of the boxes these were white boxes and there was a horrible white and black print on them showing Joini and blah blah USA and so on and there were green green polystyrene stuff or flakes around them to protect them and then there was a folded data facts included which was already folded so much that you could barely read and even the pictures were horrible
because in one of these sets I found extra wattle cards for orc vettels but back then the art of photocopying was so bad that they were mainly black I uploaded them to the second edition book on a group on facebook which is really great and I think ergo fog will ask me where are they from because they look so unprofessional well it doesn't get more unprofessional than 1991 or whenever they were released
it's amazing there's any print on them at all because usually photocopies fade to nothing you know there's nothing left after so many years but yeah it's always interesting to see those on the tabletop when you play them because I've never seen them on the table ever I mean my friend Marcus has I think a revenant titan for elder and I know he's got a warlock titan I think as well maybe but yeah I've
never seen them actually played in second edition so it's been quite fascinating to see them as it's like a centerpiece model or people actually using them in games so and much is the joy of 3d printing that you can do that now you can get these bigger larger kits and use them in games if you wanted to but then you know I play epic I play epic scale
have you guys ever tried epic space marine? No we would have liked to do so but as there are only the two of us left out of our traditional gaming group everybody had to own at least six or seven or eight different armies if that been the original five of us everybody maybe would have owned a 40k a fantasy army an epic army or stuff like that but so as it is our shelves are crammed with 40k second edition
stuff and some newer stuff and our five or new case six fantasy armies completely I was going to say do you guys actually play any other games apart from second edition and one of fantasy eighth edition are there any other games you play that you don't
film? Yeah but to be honest not very often I bought a couple of years ago it's also a miniature war game it's called free buddha's fate it's I think a german company who developed this game and it's mainly focused on a pirate setting so you play a rather skirmish game so you have a small band of about five six seven pirates but with a little bit touch of fantasy so they are goblins
goblins pirates and so on and I think we played it once or twice but never filmed it and I also own some club ball teams but actually never I think you didn't even played it I played it with some other guys no club ball but we never played it for the channel up to now I was interested but I haven't read the rules yet and basically I think you've got most of the teams or even no not much I have
the some different ones so human team or orc team the vampires no not not vampires okay um dark elves so basically I have three teams the human team the orc land raiders I think they're called and the dark elf team the negroth nightmares yep I think that's I think so yeah yeah okay cool that's good okay well at least at some point you can give blood bowl a try the third edition of blood bowl I
think is the most characterful the 90s 1993 version I think it was that's a very cool edition so now looking at 40k second edition as I know it's is that your probably your favorite game yeah that's right and what are your favorite armies do you like to play I like them all it's all of the choice this is one one of the hardest questions to answer because if somebody asked me if I was allowed to
keep only one single army I'd probably spend the next 15 years thinking about which one it would be like them so much because for me it's maybe the elder because I put really a great effort in painting the espectorious the last years and therefore it's a demon her ferret army and to be honest I think it's the most beautiful one and I think you won't need any new models because you can't make them look much
better than them yeah even Mark Gibbons artwork is absolutely the best stuff and the models designed to this artwork so yeah I think you can't you can't look at it and say oh it's kind of old fashioned and the new one looks looks much better and I really stand the test of time Mark to be honest the new aspect for us which GW published I think they look a little more dynamic but I look a little more
dynamic but I really they fit quite close to the older models in my opinion if you compare it to the old space for instance and the primaries which are really a great difference in size and so on and I think the new aspect for us are really close to the old ones in my opinion the new striking scorpions or the other stuff awesome okay yeah I really like you I really like your elder painted army Alex and
I think it looks really nice and it Alex is it your dark angel army you feature on the channel too is it yours the dark angel army is from Marcus Marcus I really like that I think it's a really nicely painted army I really like that a lot and maybe you can tell the story behind last one we presented our orc player with the storm of vengeance box set as a back then in the 90s during our time at
university and then I had to because we planned to play it then I really had to spend a university university break I think three months painting dark angels every day and I managed to do the five most important characters the captain psychic tech marine nemen for this one and and the chaplain as well as for squats I had scouts tactical marines devastating and assault marines and I really
painted them according to the codex with the squad markings army badge and and chapter markings and stuff like that took quite a lot of time and I even did the dreadnought and the razor back and these are really painted back in the 90s by Marcus the dark angels but they were among the the last models I painted before the before the long end no they certainly stood the test of time I think they look
really fantastic in terms of like the entire cohesive look of the army it looks really really nice do you actually have any of your all paints from the from the 90s the old citadel hexpots do you have those I've got many of my really old ones the round ones then the others are maybe hexpots with colors like blazing orange and I bought some completely new ones I didn't find a cool replay I haven't found a cool
replacement for snake bite leather yet which I would have needed for my ox for orcs 16 to 20 which I still have to do but together with the force I sent to patrick to silver ear painting I think I should have between 500 and maybe even 1500 points for our usual levels of points we play and I'm really looking forward to seeing painted orcs against an experience fully painted elder army and maybe Alex's
was during corona has succeeded in doing 2500 point imperial guard army I own a really huge one but I haven't painted a single I've painted one cycle yeah but that's the only part out of these nine platoons yeah Alex is that a really cool painted catfish and jungle find that themed army oh cool with you've got writers as well rough writers and red links but I think we never used them in games yet I painted the
five ethylene rough riders yeah I think we never used them in games so far they would be a cool opponent against 1500 points of orcs maybe one day but for me I don't have any of the old paints to be honest I think I doing some movement in the past I think I threw them away because most or some of them were tried out and I thought okay let's put them into the trash bin and I only use newer paints but with
one exception it's a newer paint but I don't know the company but it's from crease or creed they are producing it's called nostalgia paint or some kind like that and they're really really producing the old stuff it's really similar yeah exactly those ones yeah yeah so this is it Marcus I bought a couple of them here a snake bite leather oh that's that's the one I need it's called serpent
serpent bite leather now serpent bite leather okay I'll send you a link to warcolors and then you can get that more colors exactly that's the company's name thanks I had the impression that if you store them upside down at medium temperature and if there's a lot of content left within these pots they survive for 20 or 30 years there's a problem with the metallic ones because they are probably bolt gun metal
they're probably of another consist these are the these are the old hey these are the old round nothing wrong with them and I've got about 20 of them left oh wow that's good man yeah some vintage yeah almost yeah okay we're gonna take it also very great yeah I bet we're gonna take a very quick advertisement break and when we come back we can talk more about second edition and your love of the armies
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supporting me on patreon so check out patreon .com forward slash the crown of command podcast yeah so serpent bite serpent bite leather that's what you need Marcus this one and then yeah Alice can show you which website it is and how to get them okay so and then you're you're I think they're really uh quite a good match yeah they're very good um and the Vallejo game color range is also a very good
match for old school paints you know so they're very vibrant colors very rich colors so and uh but yeah I've got I've got a lot of the wall color stuff and it's it's pretty good it's not bad at all yeah so give them a go give me a try yeah but um yeah I also have colors from different companies from Vallejo or from AK Interactive yeah etc that of course so it's a mixture it's not a single
brand I use um I think they're in colors which are better from this company and other colors from the other so I think it's really personal choice which colors you use I think you can't say that this color is best it's maybe for me best but um I think everyone has to you know figure it out for himself and back then I even put some paints because they were really cheap I got some Iqor during my time
at university I was looking for a color for the imperial guard basic crime or stuff like that and there was a company called Iqor I think and I still have one or two pots of them because I used them for my dark elder which I like very much they were not an official second edition race they came out at the end it was between second and third edition but I like the models so much and the one codex we
found on the internet is really matches the other ones yes I've seen those featured on your channel so the dark yeah you said the dark elder they came out just at third edition didn't they so did they actually get any kind of white dwarf rules for second edition at all no no I think the last ones which got rules were the necron because the necron raiders destroyer necron destroyer was featured the
necron lord the warriors and the scarabs and I think the first white dwarf published for the third edition came out with a cabalit warrior on the plastic model it's a gift I think it was the starting box a dark elder versus space for rings for the third edition and so they didn't see any rules official rules for the second edition yep you're right that's right yeah exactly wow that's going
back a long time ago now looking at your armies looking at all the miniatures what what is your favorite miniature do you think in your range or in the whole like if you just think about second edition 40k maybe you have it already maybe you don't have it already maybe it's on your wishlist what's your favorite miniature one of elix models I like very much is the slanesh champion on a snake tail I
think it's a it's a fantasy model as well it's not a 40k model only with I think he's got more than two arms I think he's got two arms with swords and one with a finger pointing and a ring or stuff like that it's a really cool one yeah it's a really difficult question because there's so many transmenagers but if I have to name one I'd like maybe most my old chaos terminator captain it's a
miniature which I got I think gifted from Argus or the one I bought in Britain I think oh okay and it's the old one with I think with some power claw and a steaming sword in the other hand and I think it was the first chaos space marine I painted by myself so and it's a really nice miniature I think wonderful now what's on your wish list this year like in terms of if you're going
to think about purchasing miniatures to expand your armies what's what's on your what's on your miniature radar this year no I'd rather like to get some stuff painted than when bought but I I've got I think I bought for more fantasy 20 fletcher lens to be waiting to be painted I've got the pistol ears waiting to be painted and there's some really large minis in my wood elves army left I've already
mentioned I'd like to send another parcel to Patrick with my squats because they're another quite iconical second edition army and if I do another one it'll be probably the wood elves because I've got some fake writers left and lots of the cool old I think their fourth or fifth edition and I think they might be Harley Quinn the the spearmen and there was an old box which said scarlocks arches so around
maybe 18 of them and they'd be a great addition to my forces but there are always a single newer models which I like which are saying man this would be a great addition to our old old second edition stuff and sometimes especially this especially in in case of the scaven when you see something on the internet and say wow I really need to have this old one and back then these were really cool
models because there were several a single piece metal models which can't break or get stuck or stuff like that that's right yeah yeah for me I would like to add I've got a small Frateris militia band for the Sisters of Battle those old metal miniatures and I'd like to add some Frateris militia with heavy stubbers but they were never published of course but I found some old necromanda miniatures
maybe the Asher girl with the heavy stubber or Goliath fighter with a heavy stubber I think they would fit quite nicely to the Frateris militia from the size and from the appearance so I tried to get some of these maybe this tier on the internet wonderful and what's on the painting table I know Marcus has sent off his miniatures to a to a painter over there in Germany but Alex do you
paint yeah yeah actually I'm painting my Wraith god for the elder range and of course then I have a lot of options after that what's missing from my elder army is still the Rangers I just painted one elder ranger and I've all I've got the old metal models and I think there were seven or eight different ones and I've got one model each so that would probably next and I think then I have almost
finished at least the squats of the elder army then there are only the phoenix loads missing and some exarks and I think then it's finished I think maybe the elder Rangers would be after the race god next awesome Marcus again I'm I'm looking I'm looking forward to continuing the work on my corn army and the dark elder while I hope perfectly do some of the work on my wood elves
which which are really delicate minis and my squats and afterwards there's so much left they haven't even thought about spending time on the space wolves my imperial god and my elder because Alex has got a beautifully painted elder army so we felt okay come on snow hurry and who inspires you out there on the internet like it maybe a youtube channel or someone on the internet that really inspires you to
keep keep going with your battle reports keep making these videos keep playing for the case second edition anybody out there that really motivates you at all you have a free the free channel which motivated us most during all these years were your channel of course crown of command then bring and battle is another great one and second edition war gaming they don't have many
games or videos but all of them are high end if it comes to terror painting and the models themselves and there are lots of other channels I think bunker war gaming or a bunker gaming this is playing often fantasy and the Scandinavian one more fantasy a miscast table miscast and there are so many channels it's really incredible if you compare it to former times where you were on your own or
maybe meet some people on conventions but now you can can just open the browser and found so many other great channels that and if you subscribe them all I was a few times in holidays and then you can back in the 90 new videos which you can you probably so it's really awesome the content which you can consume no it's good isn't it it's great that people are making some great content out there for
second edition and some of these older games yeah I hope I hope I like added mini so it does great videos as well and yes I really like the second ed war gaming channel I really like his space fleet battle videos I think they're fantastic so I think maybe he's coming back to show some new videos with his elder new elder army he's painted up and he showed in he showed a pick in the second edition group it
was I showed it to you around months ago of a huge squad force assembled so I thought wow this would be a match up the the elder the outweigh against the squads yeah it sounds like he has sounds like he has a lot of a lot of models in his collection actually he's collected over the years since the 90s and of course yeah rich and Jason at bringing battle do great battle reports a lot of
fun so it's nice we're living in a good time now for second edition I think maybe there's more people playing it now than there ever was or I'm playing games I've ever did when I when I played in the 90s so it's a good time to be around and getting into it so yeah great great guys now also about white dwarf magazine now when it was released in Germany you had a different edition it sort of started sort of reset
down to number one two three and that kind of thing did you did you experience white dwarf in Germany at some point yeah they were they were really great I still remember owning a copy of citadel miniatures catalog and this together with the white dwarfs were sources of inspiration we've spent lots of lessons just looking at the minis under our desks we were looking at the new minis in bed and thinking
when shouldn't I start this army or which mini can I buy next with the the money grandmark gives me for Christmas or stuff like that and there are many pictures I have still on my mind even pictures of terror which I saw there for the first time that's the great thing about this universe back then when I was a child and a cool movie ended I thought well that's it now you're back back to reality but when
the 40k never ends even after you've finished a finished a battle report it's still on your mind and you think okay next time Alex next week bring bring along another 500 points or maybe add a red dot or a librarian and but you're right there was a separate german numbers for the german white dwarf but I think our fantasy shops always have both editions available so you can choose which to buy and I have I
think about 12 13 issues still at home from the 90s some german and some in english and really I don't know I've read them maybe twice tries but you always scroll the pages and those great guys Adrienne Wood and service Johnson and how they called and their battery ports and it's really might make me was a painter back then and it's a really great inspiration if you see the pictures and the paint shops back
then and I also if you just mentioned a mike we I think he published a book second edition for decay painting the painting guide and it's really a great book as well even today because it's very in depth explanation of how to mix colors and fade out the colors and highlighting and so on and so forth it's really a great book yeah now talk about terrain you have quite a unique terrain set up with your ice table
like it's an Antarctic all styrofoam terrain on a white sheet or something it's quite quite something I've never seen anything like it but you always come up with some interesting sort of table setups when you play second edition and I think the ice terra I think they started it was back then during the university I think it's almost 20 years old my girlfriend and me moved to a really it was
really a hobby it was bad but there was a huge there was a huge garden and within the garden there were garages which couldn't be used because of of a fence preventing cars from entering the property and so therefore we bought lots of polystyrene and even spent 20 euros maybe back then on a polystyrene knife and then started to do the ice and deserts terra we still own and we had a kind of we've we already
had painted tables back then but during moving from one place to another we threw them away probably and one of the sites was painted in yellow for our desert terra whereas the other one was painted white for our ice terra because of the loss of these pieces of wood we just moved on to using blankets which are much cheaper and easy to transport but originally we planned to do some painting and even
highlighting our ice terra during summer maybe this summer we're planning to schedule some days more painting or or doing other because we've bought a lot of terra recently I still remain it's it's three deep printed stuff I remember having bought a really cool dark elder tower which we could use in fantasy as well as in 40k as a watch tower and a corn like gate and two official games workshop buildings one of
them is kind of an elder a portal with a waterfall is going the wrong way and the other one looks like a dragon's cave the dragon's heads and there's a cave beneath it but we'll have to do we'll have to paint all of it one day you have to paint it in summer well I'm watching you drinking a beer and are you playing 40k second edition today of course only a short game 400 points core hammer game
because tomorrow I have to leave for one week to Denmark so actually I have no not too much time today but we play a short game after this yeah it's kind of disappointing we wanted to do 2000 points of chaos versus chaos corn and myrtle against slain and cinch but it would have taken too long we basically have to play right now then I'll do the video take it to Alex and he'll try to upload it before
leaving for us getting there tomorrow in the morning okay well I don't want to keep you guys waiting I thank you so much again for coming onto the Krammenkameen podcast I really appreciate the time and I want you guys have a great game that's what it's all about but thank you very much thanks for your time and my pleasure thank you very much for sharing your story it's been fascinating I'm really
glad that you guys had a friendship over 30 years playing second edition 40k and you never argue about it that's amazing yeah that's after the better we can't argue because otherwise we won't have anybody left to be able to pack up your models and go home and say I'm never playing with you again and it's impossible isn't it yeah it's good you guys play with a good spirit and I really enjoy your
videos and long base share I hope they will continue for a long time in the future and I'm sure you've got some great stuff planned for terrain and armies and getting stuff painted I'd love to look forward to the orc army when it's finished when it comes back from the from the commission painter and yeah interesting closing guys thank you very much for coming on today thank you very much yeah thanks a lot okay see you