From the fabled, fiery forges of the Sunderland of our Clash. Comes con forecast, join us. As we battle on the front lines of a continent lost in darkness, at the time of the Ragnarok. For we are here, not for silence or Slumber confrontation. So, Two undercover cars today, I'm joined with the James. James, are you going? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. No, mate. Thank you very much again for coming on. Such short notice. As I did get the X M mixed up
again. I'm really apologize about that but you're known as non sequitur on the confrontation Discord. That's right. Isn't it? Yes, right. Okay. And, and you were part of the scenario that me and Paul played recently on the, on the Channel. And thank you for that. That was a really fun scenario play. So if anybody has not seen it, go to the YouTube channel, crying the command and check out the battle report between the mid gnawed orbs and the tenor. Boar.
Yeah, that was really cool. Cool scenario to play and I hope we can extend that in maybe like a three-part kind of thing in the future. It was my pleasure to help writing it out and that's awesome. And I hope you guys keep playing. I'd love to see more. Yeah, actually, I think I was hoping that me and Paul could play a game this weekend.
I was actually painting up some men door before we got on on their two together today because I was trying to get like 300 points painted up for this weekend and if we had time, we could get a game in. But I do not see how we go. But I really want to play with my own Mitten or this time. I've got the models. I Haven't got enough painted to play, like a 300 point game yet, but I'm really looking forward
to playing them. So I've got my hydras and I think they're probably like, my favorite models in the entire like all the models so far. I think I think they're probably my favorite but I don't need to tell you that you're a massive mid nor fan yourself, aren't you James? I sure am mid nor is definitely my favorite faction. I typically get into the crunch of games. Shinde this this mid nor was the first time that the art style of a game ever demanded that I play it.
I saw the colony of mid nor the oldie for ass boxed set in a game store and just had a moment of what is this? And I need to check it out. That's actually how I got into confrontation fell in love with the Miniatures, right? And was it the first miniature game you've ever played? No. So I first got into miniature gaming with Warhammer 40K and I was a Warhammer 40K player started with tyranids moved into Dark Angels chaos and then ended with Eldar. And that was my game until
confrontation. So I saw it in the store and the art style reminded me of the work of Brian froud. He's a really popular fantasy artist, or if you've seen The Dark Crystal or labyrinths that, Jim Henson's kind of aesthetic. Blew me away, sucked me right in, and I was instantly a convert and Owen It was all over the game, so yeah, it was great. Yeah, we're hoping Owen can join us this this evening?
If he's if it's possible or in his morning, I should say, but yeah, be really great to have him on because I know he is like, just super. Super like he's one of the most passionate people about the confrontation of actually met so far. Yeah, he's just nuts about it, but, you know, that's cool, mate, that's great. So you sort of you sort of got in through second edition 40K, is that right, third? Mission was my first litigation. Yeah, all right. Yeah, yeah.
Third Edition was also, my confrontation addition. I never played see to, I got in on C3 and then we played it for a couple of years. I think before through the 3.5 supplement drops toward the end. Yeah. And what was it? What was it like like, you know, during that time, you know, during the sort of the height of Confrontation and North America? Like, we're a lot of stores but demoing it with their sort of tournaments being played. What was the kind of scene back in those days?
Yeah, back. In the back in the day when I was playing it. So the game was still you know, it was popular as live. Everybody knew it was the consensus was really unanimous that nobody had the art style, the art Direction, nobody had the quality of Miniatures that they had the the paint jobs that the staff are doing that was unparalleled. It was just a world apart from anything. You know, nobody had anything like what was going on with confrontation three.
And everybody knew it was something special. It was being played in the game. Store I kind of played with my own group of people, I'd actually didn't play competitively very much. Owen got out all the tournaments. I was just starting a new management job and I didn't have vacation time to go to John, Connor to go out of town for these other cons so I missed out on that. A little bit.
I did get to play competitively a few times but mostly oh and who's also known as berga net online on the Discord. He did most of the competitive playing for the two of us. So Rod is great. Yeah. Cool. Okay, that's great. Yeah, would have been nice to being to actually have a scene because you know, like doing I got into confrontation. There was nothing. There was no scene you had to be in Melbourne or Sydney to be part of some kind of group
social group of active players. So it would have been great to have. You know, people collecting models painting talking about it, you know, getting into it learning the game and that kind of thing. That'd be awesome, was midnight, you're sort of the first and only Action you've ever played? No actually played a few factions mid, nor was the first faction that I played. I kind of learned the game with them.
I also played Alchemists of Dirk's, I played them competitively and then I came back to Mid nor, you know, after the game died and I play mid nor now pretty much exclusively. Certainly Alchemists are very tough action. So I don't generally break those out but between 0 and I we've got a fairly large collection of Of factions. So, usually what I'll do is I'll pick up an army for a game or two, you know, take it out of the, take it off the shelf or
borrow one of his. I'll play them for a game or two and then go back to Mid Norm endorse. What I was returned to And one of the questions I want to ask, like all the people who come onto concrete cast and it's a
pretty important one. Because, you know, you've got people coming in now with maybe sort of seen it in the past like I've had like Stewart Thomas one of the heavy metal painters talking about confrontation picking up the catalog looking through there, not knowing what he's looking at. He's Blown Away by the visuals like thinking wow this this
looks amazing. Like the paint jobs that Miniatures are incredible but not having further contact with it but nowadays As we sort of, you know, trying to give give it a bit of a rebirth, so to speak and meet some people are finding their collections. You find those people online all the time and Facebook saying, hey guys, what's this what I've got, I just found this, or someone gave it to me.
So getting back into the game like what sort of advice would you give to people, you know, just starting out and wanting to play confrontation? Well, if I had to give somebody advice for getting back into the game or getting into it, for the first time, it would be Play it For the Love of the Game. I mean it's a dead game, right? So that's kind of all there is
at this point. There's not really a competitive scene, although people who love the game still compete, it would be embrace, the rule system for what it is. It's a little bit clunky compared to a lot of modern systems and because it was translated, but I will say, it's just probably the best game engine. I've seen, really, I love the activation system.
I love the card sequencing. I love the way combat is, separated from You know, even in back and forth, activation games models will carry out their activation deal their damage and then they're kind of done, confrontation brings an interplay, you know, between the models and the players. So that everybody's got stuff to do all the time that really makes the game breathe, in my opinion, in a way that most
other games don't. So, I would say, you know, Love the system for what it is recognized, how different special. It is compared to other games and really get into it. There's all kinds of fun, fun stuff. You know, the there are balance issues. Of course, anybody who's familiar with the game system will tell you. But there's so much love and attention and fun that went into almost every profile and you know, all of the Spells and the artifacts and the Miracles, it's such a great game.
So I would say fall in love with it and enjoy it. Cool. Okay, so someone who's got some Miniatures, and I get asked this, sometimes they don't know what point level to start out and to know how to construct an army. Could you give advice to people about that? Yeah, I certainly would, of course, say to someone who's new to the game. Start with like 125, AP, work your way up to 400.
I think if you're new to the game or you want to avoid heavy crunch, maybe limit the number of models in the Army. I personally believe that you probably want more models from a competitive standpoint to minimize the effect of chance on the game, but if you're looking to play enjoyable games that don't get bogged down or don't get to be, you know, too much cognitive load. Just enjoy taking those Thirty to forty Point Minis that are cool hard hitters.
They will also keep your model countdown, it'll keep the games quicker and it will keep things easier to manage. Probably don't start with Miracles and spells right away. Play a few games, we are just doing combat. And basic scenarios, you can use the scenarios in the back of the book, but I find this to be pretty simplistic. Even for a new person, I would say, maybe you scenarios from the gdr packet because they'll be much more interesting.
I think confrontation is this amazing rules engine, but if you're just fighting in the middle of the board, it can't really Fly Above other game systems the way I think it has the potential to I think you want to get those scenarios and play interesting scenarios like you did for your battle report. Yes, that's that's really interesting. Yeah, I found that too. I found it is very lackluster. In terms of actually, you know, what's the purpose? What's the motivation of what we're doing?
I looked at now, when you talk about gdr scenarios and that kind of thing, what these kind of resources, where are they available now? You know, I found the gdr packet just with a Google search. That was a over a year ago, the community can certainly hook you up, you can go to confrontation tools.com to get profiles. You might be able to find the gdr packets there. But certainly anybody who wants to can go to the confrontation Discord.
If you put out that you're looking for it, I'm sure the veterans will line up to, to put that into your hands. Yeah, I'm confidential pills, I think is a really good resource as well. So, there are ya online came online, sites websites, where they're sort of got a lot of the files stored on there and a lot of the cards cards are a big
issue. But of course, with the app with Confrontation Club that's sort of taking the alleviating, a lot of those problems with the cards in terms of, you know, making lists. And that kind of thing. Do you guys actively uses the app as well? You know, I don't, but that's only because I've played the game for 20 years, I kind of know, most of the game, backward, and forward. I don't really need the app.
What I typically will do though, is, I will go to confrontation pills and use those images to print cards and then slip them. The pouches with with regular cards of one kind or another, as a backing to have a physical activation stack, I do think that the app is good. I think most of, you know, 99% of the community should use the app as a springboard so that they can build lists quickly and easily the app is certainly not perfect but I think it's a great tool for fast list building.
I mean you can put together a list in five minutes with that thing. So it's easy to use. I would definitely recommend it. Yeah and beautiful to look at. Definitely I play a lot with played a lot around with it actually just in my A free time if I'm waiting in a queue or if I'm today I to wait, you know, in a government building somewhere to for do some stuff there and that kind of thing.
So I was just happily just you know, going through making less or checking profiles or you know doing that kind of thing. I really enjoy the aspect of that app for that kind of thing because I don't have the cards and the cards are a big thing because, you know, not only, you know, for the actual activations but for spells and artifacts and that kind of thing. And what can, you know, which protocol can use white.
So the app sort of, you know, takes a lot of those problems away from you in giving a very streamlined, you know, down, run run the line kind of way of saying, okay, well this is your, you know, awk spell user and these are the Miracles or hit. These are the spells that he can use and that kind of thing and you sort of just add them to your list and you know, away you go. So I found that, you know, a really really interesting. Ting and very useful app to use
when playing the game. Yeah, I think that's actually phenomenal Point. That's one of the best things about that app is that it gives you everything that's available to that character. If the game had been made 20 years later. Of course, the app would have come out with the game. So official, it's great, it's
great that way. Do you see a future full confrontation at all you know, possibly it just depends on what's going on with Continuum. I know that a lot of us are waiting to see How that shakes out? We're hope we're chopping at the bit. I know I am for the rules to be released so that we can start checking them out and start playing using those models.
There are some great new models, coming up for that game, but I think in the absence of something like Continuum, the game can certainly persist, it can even grow, but I don't think it's going to grow in the way that the living game will grow, right? Until we have an official game that's out there and being marketed. So, I think Continuum is probably going to be be the commercial future of the game as far as rebuilding the community.
Until then we, we do have really enthusiastic veterans who are, you know, going to gaming conventions. Sweet has an annual tournament, and he is a super enthusiastic person who is absolutely invested in, you know, building a Grassroots kind of community wherever he might be. So I think that's all awesome stuff. Yeah, I think it jumps back on because he just ran his annual sort of event didn't eat. So I'd like to get some feedback. Back on that at some point catch
up with him to talk about that. But if you would like I was going to ask you about the different kinds of variations of Confrontation that are now because it's all very split split up in different groups, you got Legacy, you've got Evo and you have you know, just regular 3.0 3.5. Which particular system. Do you prefer to play personally? I like 3.5 I have not read the rules for Evo or Come feed. I did learn Legacy because I went to the CWI event in 2020, 101.
And I have always preferred 3.5 the, the and it's not because we don't like anybody or don't care for their systems. It's because with the game officially being dead, it's kind of like everybody needs to. If you're going to come together, right? With people who aren't your normal play partners, then you need to play the game a certain way and you need to agree on what that's going to be. So that was the Last official way the game was played. That's the way everybody played the game.
So that's the way we've continued to do it and that's my personal take on it. But I would certainly welcome anybody to play confrontation in any way that they would like Nick. I'm sort of in that boat as well. Like you know I think me and Paul as we're the only two people playing yeah. In Japan. Atlas we're like okay well what you want to do because we're sort of you know, we're sort of trying to find our way around. What's the best way to play confrontation? Is it 3.0 straight 3.5.
Yeah, I'm not too sure. You know, maybe one of these other variants and I was even looking at version 2 of it as well because someone certainly a PDF of that translates onto translated it. The second edition rules, which looks interesting to just for the whole Incarnation aspect of Confrontation, which really interests me a lot where the heroes can grow and they have their own story.
And you know, you have the Was travel packs and journey packs and that kind of thing for them that, that side of Confrontation interests me a lot. But I think at its heart, you know, just in the big black book, you know, 3.0, it's still a really, really good game in there as well.
And I think if I didn't have to change anything and I'd actually prefer it if there was nothing, nothing else like it was just 3.0 and that was it, you know, and everyone just play 3.0 but you know, it's a good too far beyond that. Now Yeah but it is exciting to see you know what are these sort of grassroot type projects coming up? Now with Continuum of course and that's very hopeful.
So make just talk us through mid nor because I know it's your beloved faction and I'm still getting into it. And what would you say would be your optimal 300-point list or 400-point AP list? Sure. So I made a list for CWI last year that I think is probably about the best build I have for Mid, nor it's a tell Cyril, who is a zealot? Which is a second level faithful for Mid. Nor he relies on a complement of five Scourge bearers for generally.
Getting the grunt work done, he has a war staff in that particular build. Its the as a here colony which gives him leadership so that he can have a war staff couple of halberdiers To Sentinels and to Prowlers and I'll break that down for you. The list is about 15 models. To start a causal role does are attended by summoning, which is Even when I got into the game back in third edition, everybody knew about that. It's a you summon essentially, to Shadow, monsters around total of five Max.
So the Army has the capability to go up to 25 models and then with as a here, gives him leadership, but also the benefit of every time you kill 50 AP, AP of your opponent's Army, you put another model out on the table that's representing people that you've stolen away and butchered and turned into your own kind. So it's basically very big on medium to low quality troops.
Hi, Numbers. It's got a couple of Scouts in the Sentinels which are higher than normal movement, kind of modeling stats, but they're not too expensive and Prowlers are your heaviest hitters at 31 Points each their speed 15. So the Sentinels and the Prowlers bring the mobility that the faction needs Scourge. Bearers have one of the most efficient stat lines in the faction with an eight strength and an effective seven resilience because they're five
with hard-boiled. So you've got kind of a medium toughness all Around. You've got large numbers, you've got good discipline, you can replace losses with summoning and with getting a new models. As you kill your, opponents are me. It's really good for attrition and it's actually very good for objectives as well because you have the numbers to go do stuff with cheap models. Your army can't really get crippled by losing any single
model. It's the best build that I was able to come up with for the faction. Overall, I would just caution anybody who's going to get into the faction. It's not a good faction. It's got a lot of issues. Mechanical standpoint. But I do love the models and that particular build I think is pretty strong. Yeah - sounds really good. Yeah the scores berries I love those models. I mean other models are incredible. Yeah. This love them.
Yeah I just I just yeah something about those particular Miniatures. I don't know what it is but it's just like those in the hydrat, the the, the Cyclops as well. There's something just, yeah. That I don't know. There are so different to I think the middle as well. Well, from anything else I've ever seen in fantasy, you know, there will cause the hors d'oeuvres.
Yeah. Yeah. They'll sort of these, you know, just the design of them were just so far out and so different from anything else out there at that time. And, yeah, far as being everything to, yeah, for me, one of the things that I fell in love with was they had this charm to them that you don't see with most models where they have these things called canopic dolls, which are supposed to hold the souls of the actual dwarves, that, you know, have been taken.
One of the things that was mine. Lowing for me. As I got into the factionless to find out that the dwarves aren't actually dwarves there. Whatever. Climbed inside them that's kind of wearing them like skins while The Souls of the dwarves are supposed to be imprisoned in those little dolls that they keep around on them. So just visually incredible. They've got this, you know, unique visual aesthetic that ties in with their fluff.
There are so characterful. And yeah, you have these iconic models like the Cyclops, which is just an unbelievable sculpt, even 20 years later, it's incredible. You have the Eamon Tower, you've got the chest themed pieces from E, 4f Colony box set. There's nothing not to love about the tourist from an aesthetic standpoint and from a Fluff standpoint, their lord is great. It's just unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think for painting, I think you're going to love painting stitches because you'll be painting. A lot of stitches. Yes! All you some kind of contrast paint or Express Vallejo paint or something like that and those guys because yeah there's a lot of details in those models but I really enjoyed painting them more than any Model from confrontation so far, it's been really good as a hobby project. Yeah, been loving it. And make. Are you a painter as well?
You sort of, do you sort of do that? You sort of get involved in that aspect of the hobby, absolutely. Yeah. I'm I am fortunate enough to have several friends are all very strong painters there, even a little stronger than I am, but I do paint pretty well, I put over 100 hours of painting into the army that it took to see wi last year so I definitely get Into that part of the hobby
quite a bit. One of the things I like about the dwarves actually, is my hands aren't particularly steady so because they have their big heads, their faces are easy for me to get good detail onto and they're just kind of bursting with character. So even if I'm not the best painter, they look great. When they're done the proportions in the proportions are good for getting detail onto, and the sculpts are pretty clean. So the stitches pop nicely. So it's easy to get your brush
onto that race. Surface and get a good clean Stitch generally speaking. Hindi. Yeah, now they were really, really cool faction and I think also, one of the other strengths in terms of the actual Miniatures is that the really chunky and I've recently got some some Griffin models that has been putting together, some of the conscript guys. I mean, they're like super thin,
they're like, wafer-thin, right? And light and drilling holes in their, in their wrists and that kind of thing to put on the sword. And the Shields and then Jesse I'm not into pinning. So one of the really nice things about midnight as you don't have to do that. That's one of the great things about because it all one piece
and generally one piece models. And that's one of the things I really liked about the earlier models, actually, because I looked at some of the other Griffin models that I had like, way back in the day during first and second edition and they're like super chunky. There were like Games, Workshop models equivalent in that sort of scale and size and but
they're all one piece. And you know they'll even the metal they use for them or a lot more has lots to the tensile strength, a lot stronger and I don't know why maybe because of the details, they wanted to capture on a lot of the other models later. But they've got thinner and thinner and smaller and smaller and the the metal got softer.
So if anybody started trying to getting back into confrontation just be aware of that when you start trying to try to pin things and that kind of thing, it's not like modern Metal models, you know, they're very fragile. And yeah and the things about I like about dwarves and goblins in the mid door is that there and I suppose for woven as well and devours is that they're super chunky.
And you know you can put the drill into those into their legs and ankles and it kind of thing wasn't any worry. So yeah any other advice you would have at all for somebody sort of just entering into confrontation that although for new players. Let's see. You mean like Advice right. Just general advice. Yeah yeah I would say the factions the factions aren't balanced but that's not an issue. Unless you're taking the game kind of to a high level.
I would say beware of high cost, high cost models in casual games can be very powerful. I don't think that they're generally good enough in your playing competitively but if you're playing casual lists and people don't know what's going on. High Point models can be wrecking balls, so just be careful. Careful about super high points at lines swinging games, all by themselves. I think it's great that they can do that, especially in casual games, be ready for that.
And I think one of the things that's actually kind of a bit of a culture shock, for new players is always failing. Your rolls on one. I would encourage players, not to get put off by that and not to let it throw them especially during a game. Don't get rattled by it, you're just going to fill one in every six rolls. It's going to happen. It's probably going to feel like a lot more than That when it's happening to you just let it be
keep playing the game. It doesn't make a game bad, there's nothing wrong with it happens because the especially because it happens to all players, right? Everybody has the one schools failing schools, make your peace with it. Don't sweat it. Keep playing, have fun. I think it was that, I think it was that game. I played actually with all the false, the dorf, the with this team, you know, like with their
boilers and that kind of thing. And every time I rolled for the, for steam, I rolled a one and it was jinkx a game. I You know what it was, but the second molar made for the, for the incident chart was like a five or six. I got lucky, I think I got lucky with that one and that nothing sort of exploded, but you're going to have, you're going to have days with it. We know with the dice it is going to be against you and that's just part of the game but
I like that. I like the fact that it is a 1, you know, you fail and then the six, you get to explode and roll again, I really liked that sort of swinging part of the game. It means that, you know, if the odds are really stacked against you, you got that You get that chance even all that 6 and you can roll again and maybe get another six and, you know, it and it increases in and heightens that excitement and then when you get when you think that, oh well, you're going to
get crushed and they roll a one. You think I thank goodness for that they failed and you know, I've got a chance now escaping this, you know, major catastrophe, possibly that they could take my guy out. So yeah, I really like that aspect to the game. Actually, I don't find it at all a downside to it. Now James just a quick, some quick fire questions. Mate. What's your all-time favorite model?
In the confrontation range? All-time favorite model in the confrontation range, probably the demon Tower good show in the when the E 4f boxed came out. I loved the castle. You know, the Rook Stalin was not good and I think the model was great and super Charming, but I think that the sculptors probably always wanted to do something like the demon Tower. And settled for the castle, you know, probably due to economic
constraints. But I loved that they came back and they were kind of like we want to do this, but we want to do a huge. It's, it's phenomenal. I mean, the models just great. You go. Look at it. He's busting with character. He's basically a walking Castle. He's got Gunners on the, uh, huge sword bigger than the models. Wonderful? Goggle-eyed face the models just amazing. So that's probably my favorite model and the same liquid. Yeah.
Now, wonderful Choice made. I think it's on my shopping list now being with no player at some point, I'll have to pick that up from somewhere from some person who's willing to sell it to me but yeah that's that's definitely one of the the greatest models of that range for sure. Apart from the Cyclops I think they're two of the biggest standouts for that. That group also think mid nor is just, it's full of amazing models at every level.
I think it's As a faction may be one of the strongest aesthetically in the whole game, which is saying a lot. It is, I think so hard, it's hard to pick but I think that's the one for me. Now, I love the gold ones to for that for that reason the character. Yeah, if they've you know try to Encompass into a miniature, it's not an easy thing to do. It's really not.
I think particularly with the words of mid noren goblins it's so easy to have every model, be memorable because they can also be a little bit goofy or weird or wacky but you know I think They have an advantage there but I think if you look at something like the militia of cod wall and some of my favorite sculpts also that are serious, that are kind of like men and it really shows how you can just bring out the character even in things that
aren't exotic like the words of Bend or goblins, right? But absolutely, I think aesthetically, they just incredibly good and catabolism to I mean I was totally in, you know, Swept Away with Cadwell. And when I first saw the images of those models and the the scenery they made for it, the Drops and everything. I was like, wow, this is just incredible. I think most people felt that way, I think when they first saw Cadwell and and the Miniatures range they had for that, that's brilliant.
So I take it your all time. Favorite faction is made or then we ago I suppose. It depends on what you mean. It's the favorite for, right. There's a lot of things to like about do when you've actions want, the one you couldn't do without like, if you have to submit an order either all the other factions which can majority has stolen my heart, it's the one for me. Cool. Cool. Cool. I like that way. That's good.
And now do you have everything or is it something you really wanted to get still that you want to collect for confrontation? Well, I certainly don't have the entire range. I feel like I have the stuff that I wanted most. I have right now. I've got a very solid collections for Mid door for goblins of no tank car and Erick, and, and Alchemists dirts. So, those are the ones I have. And then, you know, when I'm itching to play a different faction Owens got several of them.
So between us we have almost all of the factions they guess if there were a faction I was going to want to collect it would probably be Cod well indexed because it's so diverse so interesting, the sculptor incredible and that is a faction that has diversity of playstyle. So I think you can really have one faction and you can play a shootie list one week and you could play a tanky list another week and a light hard-hitting fast list the next week, right? So I think Be great faction.
Collect, that's a good point too, because I didn't realize that and I haven't explored this yet at all. That they had different kind of houses or different kind of Clans or that like a pact that you can buy and like the dwarves had like a fortress pack I think and you had like six cards and you can play with a certain theme of a list and Cadwell. And I know that I'm splitting The Fray that's Owens Channel on YouTube, I'll leave a link in the in the show notes for this
episode to check that out. Out but he plays a different variant or different jewels for Cardinal, that's it. That's the one best of what I'm looking for with the different guilds and that kind of thing which is really interesting. So you can bring I think he was playing with some Akron models or something like that as well. Yeah the court of Ashes is the guild that allows you to incorporate a crown models. Right? That's awesome. Yes I really like that aspect to it too.
So that's something I'm like to explore at some point and see what that's all about having a cord. Ashes is very strong, it's good. Yeah, that looks really good. I still haven't actually made my way through that video. It's quite a it's quite a compact whiskers little. There's a lot of things happening. There's a little rules and thereby need to try to absorb as I watch it. But I hope to get through that.
That gameplay, it's at some point but I do enjoy your and Owens games because it's yeah it brings you know again I'm learning a lot of the rules by watching you guys play which is really, really, really great thanks. So that's awesome. Now, the big final question. Might have you ever played Ragnarok? Oh, no, I've never never had the inclination. Well, the quest continues in James. I'll have to find someone. I'm sure some will say, yes, I played Ragnarok back in the day, but who knows?
Well, James, I like to thank you again for your time to. Come on today at such short notice and it's been a great pleasure. Talking to you mate. It's been my pleasure. Thank you. Plays a little, my mate, and thank you again.
I hope to get you and Owen on at some point, maybe to go through, maybe to go through some of these different kinds of houses, or guilds, or factions, or whatever, or talk about your preferred list, builds or talk about splitting The Fray on YouTube channel, that kind of thing at some point in the future. So, thanks again, you're very, welcome, take care. Okay, good night. Bye-bye, let us leave the language. Land of our Clash for but the shortest time.
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