From the fabled, fiery forges of the Sunderland of our Clash comes. Confocal cast. Join us. As we battle on the front lines of a continent lost in darkness at the time of Ragnarok for we are here, not for silence or slumber. Bummer. We are here for confrontation. Jerry tells might tell us what's been happening with what's been going on with your life. So I'm doing a lot of production stuff for confrontation, trying to make sure we get enough enough terrain for the events at a depth con.
I'm also doing the thing where I try to actually paint all of the Miniatures that I need to have for the narrative event for def con, and that is not going as fast as I want to go. And then as we play test the scenarios I'm like, maybe that shouldn't be the model that we've got in this scenario. That's kind of changes. A lot of what's going on. So that's it's just keeping my head down and putting stuff together. Basically cool. Cool, cool. So we're talking about the
adaptable and event. Yeah. And when exactly is it depth akan happening, inductor current is going to be March 23rd through the 26th in Schaumburg Illinois, which is right outside of Chicago. So, we'll end of the world gaming which is basically just me but don't tell anybody. That is going to be hosting an event on Friday and another event on Saturday, the event on Friday is going to be an eight-player narrative event.
Basically all of the, all of the Miniatures, all the cards are going to be provided and it is going to be 5, never-before-seen scenarios, which I'm trying to make reasonably balanced. I don't think there's going to be any thing where it's like, okay this side consists of three goblins and And then the other side is 7, Works go, so it shouldn't be anything that bad. But there are like I said, there's some stuff where it's like points aren't just points. So there's tweaking going on
with that good. I like that. And then Saturday is, is the big event that is going to be a 16 player tournament air quotes around tournament. I don't, I want people to play, and I want people to play seriously, but I don't want people coming in and thinking that this is going to show as the biggest confrontation dick in the universe. All right? So the thing was, is I, I want I want people to play confrontation on Saturday, I'm not looking to have people
re-litigate. What was the most broken powerless, at the end of the confrontation life cycle, but I want people to play and because this is, this is like the first time in a long time that there's been an event at a This is the first time in a long time that there has been an event where we're kind of like inviting in you know randos and we're trying to provide information, I am aiming to make it as friendly to new players as possible and we'll see if that works out.
I mean if it doesn't and everybody has a terrible time well then there's no need to run 20 24, I suppose I hope that won't be the case because I'd love to come night at some point and and joining with this all this pool is This fun activities with confrontation. I've never been to a tournament before, but even a narrative event, sounds very appealing to me. I'm alright. So the narrative element, I'm enthusiastic about their event
in a lot of ways. It's kind of going to be the thing that comes the closest to me, actually getting to play events at a depth of con, because all of the scenarios are going to be things that I designed, you know, the, I'm getting feedback from from a couple of people. So it's not just, this isn't just all Jeremy, just, you know.
So there are some people who are providing some really solid Good feedback and pointing out things that I have completely missed because when you operate, you know, as one person, you have a lot of blind spots that you don't recognize that you have.
So thank you to all of the people who have taken the time to read the madness that I have sent out as scenarios and say, I don't think that's, I don't think that's going to work out the way you want it to, because that has been super helpful and thank you to John and Jordan for Up with hold on. Let's rewind this game and let's see what happens if this happens and I'll just kind of re crunching the math and realistic
re-litigating. Some of the way the turns go to show that, maybe how I think stuff is going to work out isn't, you know, isn't quite there, because how things work in my mind, and how things work on the table, might not be 100% the same way, so I really appreciate it buddy. Taking the time to you know to look over the stuff and say here are concerns, please address them.
Awesome. And it's a shame that we can't see those games that you enjoy and Jordan being playing because I did past you before to say, hey, we're Jeremy, where's all the battle reports? Where were they coming? Yeah, I mean, it's some of it is real life, some of it is, you know, just like I said, we're working on the stuff trying to get everything ready to go for a depth of Conn. Aye, all right, so I'm going to be totally honest. This is the first time that I had been this profoundly And
running this type of event. I have I have been a body for companies at conventions before setting up tables. I've deemed individual tables at conventions for, you know, for Dungeons and Dragons for jamming stuff, but this is from from Soup To Nuts. This mess is going to be mine. So if it turns out well, Thank you for all of the people who helped me, if it turns out badly, I am the only one who gets blamed for it and that's fine. I wanted there to be a confrontation event at a depth
akan. So you know, be the change that you want to see in the world. That would this be the very first time that confrontation is represented at that a diptych on? Or is it was it represented before? I don't know how, I don't know how long a depth phone's been running for adapter? Card has been running for 20 damn years, which makes me feel old as hell because I was at the First adaptiq on actually. I was at the first couple of adaptive cons and this isn't,
this isn't too. Like, you know, show off my amazing gamer, Bona, fides. I played the first couple of adaptive cons and then I like wandered off for several years. And then At one point it was like, huh? A diptych on is literally right down the street from me, and they're hosting Warmachine events. I guess I'm going with def con this year. So yeah, I mean, it's it's amazing.
The guys who put together a Defcon it is it is a labor of love Adept at Windy City. I don't know if anybody out there listening from you guys, is going to hear this but seriously, thank you for an amazing show for 20 years. I was, I was there when you guys I was there when you guys first launched and you were part of the Ides of March convention, so, Good for you guys. Yeah, it sounds like a really
exciting event. Now, you've got some people who've already, put a put their names down and play paid their money. Is it, is it a free event or you to pay in advance May well? How's that work? Okay, so adapter, Khan is, it runs on? Kind of Akin the standard convention model in the US which is you're going to pay for your admission badge and then you're going to pay for individual events.
Lots there are there are some conventions that That it's just pay for admission and then you can get into events. Unfortunately, a diptych on like gencon like Origins. Like packs. I think. And those are those are three pretty big gaming conventions. It is like I said door fee, and individual events. Okay, cool. Alright, so if people want to come along and attend either the tournament or the narrative and
how would they do that? So they're going to go to add epic on.org, they can buy a badge and then they can get slots for the events as of right now, today, being the 21st of January there is one slot left in the narrative event and there are nine slots left in the tournament event. I have a friend who said that he's going to that he's Going to pick up a spot in the tournament so there may only be eight spots
left in the tournament. I don't know, I don't know how waitlisting is going to work and I'm going to be I'm going to be completely honest for the narrative event that is going to be hard cat. That ate people. I would love to have more people show up. I cannot due to the nature of the narrative event and do the nature of that. I'm providing all of the Miniatures and all of the ministers will be fully painted. I can't go above the a player cap on that.
One if nothing else, people can come by and be like, oh my God, people still play this game and then people can come by and be like Patterson, you got their rule wrong and like, you got me. So, I mean, if nothing else come by to make fun of me and don't roll. Wow, most important means role as many ones as you want, so that I can feel bad for somebody else as opposed to. It just being me. But now the narrative event is run on one day in the toilet on the second day. Is that correct?
That is correct. The narrative event is going to be on Friday, the tournament is going to be on Saturday, right? Okay, cool. Now now just so that people know exactly what addition they're going to be playing is this 3.5 confrontation rules. Yes, this is, this is going to be 3.5. So it will be using the big, you know, the big black book as well as the 3.5 update. It off the top of my head. I can't spit out a website where
those guys are going to be that. You can find them immediately but I know the confrontation Wiki has them but I don't know the Wiki's website address off the top of my head. I mean, we could, we could do some excellent podcasting and just, you know, record me while I look through Google for the confrontation Wikipedia or I mean we could just fix this in post and just be like, boom. Yeah, there's website. They'll leave it to LA with no links might for the wiki for
confrontation. Now, also the the tournament, how many points is that her saliva tournament is going to be 400 AP without going to be the standard, which is the standard size event for confrontation 3.5, we are going to be using the UK cord 2009 packet. I mean that that was the last as I understand At Extant. Fully Rackham supported confrontation will set. There are people who are, like, Jeremy, you're wrong, that wasn't the last, or that was two
years. After the fact, the difficulty that I'm facing now is that it's kind of what I've committed to so that that is, you know, I have laughed myself to the wheel. Allah, Ulysses and headed straight for the Rocks. Let's do this. Could anybody, and And is it like a three-round event for the tournament know? It is. So it is a four-round events or all, right? So it's going to be a Swiss style event and the maximum number of rounds will be four rounds.
So I mean you guys, you guys know how Swiss tournaments work, I don't need to explain that. Do I if if there are fewer than 60 it. All right, so if nobody else signs up between now and the data, The tournament, it will be a three round event because we do not have enough people to sustain a four-round event because of house whisperings work. So round one will have eight
winners. Round two, will be the eight winners playing against each other which will then give us four winners round 3 4 goes to two round round 4, which will be the final round will go to down to one. So the person who then wins that round will be the overall tournament winner. Of course UK cord does have tiebreakers and stuff so when loss is going to be the primary determiner of you know it's going to be with moss strength of schedule other stuff you know points, blah blah, blah.
So but there will definitely be somebody who wins / - okay and it was repenting of wood on the day like that they get judged best painted or best sportsmanship. So I soft scores for tournaments. Drive me crazy. Because I'm I'm an asshole II never going to no no no. All right I don't like soft scores for tournaments because At a tournament, I feel like the thing. The thing that should be the determiner of who wins should be, who won.
I feel like there's a lot of system gaming for certain soft scores where people who are more gregarious, who are more outgoing, get scored better for sportsmanship versus somebody who might be, you know, Not as outgoing. And I don't think that's necessarily Fair because if you have somebody who, all right. Let me, let me, let me go ahead
and use the Twitter language. If you have somebody who's neurodivergent and they've come out to play, but they're not like super friendly and super bubbly if they get dinged on sportsmanship, because they're not as, you know, cheerful and outgoing as somebody who's like, hey, what's going on? I brought six packs for everybody especially here. It's like cuddle. It's a product I want to play with actually a six-pack sounds good. Hey look. All right.
I'm not, I am not here to judge people on their quality of their quality is an opponent. I am here to judge people by how they play the game so that's fair enough. That's right. That's that's just that's just a me thing and I'm not trying to be. I'm not trying to be a jerk about that but I also I wanted everybody has to be painted for an epic on. That is an Adept kind of rule. That's not an end of the world gaming world. That was going to be this question. But as far as painting scores
go, I appreciate good painting. But I recognize that I recognize that it is a skill that you have to develop and what somebody with somebody who does painting wise, who's not a very good painter but they're painting enthusiastically. That may be the absolute letter. Best that they can do but again to judge them and be like, all right, so you you were great, you were great Sport and you want all your games, but your
painting looks like. But so instead of getting first place, you get fourth place suck it. Don't come back to my event. I can't, I cannot do that as a Neo and, you know, maybe maybe that's just my my years and years of playing war machine there. I think there is definitely a place for for painting Awards. Miniatures events. I don't think that it. All right, so for this event, it's not going to factor into
the overall first place person. First place will be determined by who wins the most games, right? Are there are there things, you know, are there things that maybe unofficial awards that get handed out Maybe but I would I would love to be in a situation where I'm like, okay, so for best opponent, we've got a 16 wait I you guys are all a bunch of wonderful people and thanks for coming out. That would be amazing. That would be super great.
I've never seen that happen in the event ever, because Everybody showing up for an event is going to have their own stuff going on. Yeah and I don't I don't you know I don't want to penalize somebody who you know, God forbid they got fired last Friday and then like, all right, so I'm already paid for def con so I'm going to show up I have no idea what I'm doing come next Monday but let's get up, penalizing them for not being cheerful and not being gregarious. Not, that's fair enough.
I understand - that's okay. Now Are you being sponsored by anybody for prizes and that kind of thing? Like, who like it? That the lucky person. Lucky bastard. Who wins the tournament. What are they going to win a firm handshake? Yes, so they're all right, so I don't I don't want to say it. There's going to be like massive prize support I have reached out some of the to some of the aftermarket confrontation
producers. And I'm not going to name names until you know until the day of and said, hey guys, you know, I'm doing this, if you guys want to provide prize support, that would be great. But this is This is entirely out of my pocket. So all of the terrain, all of the, all of the mats, all of the Miniatures that are going to be used. That's that's all coming out of
my pocket. I'm not going to see a dime from a depth of Khan and this isn't, this isn't me rattle on the Tin Cup. This isn't me begging for money. I None of that. This is, this is a thing that I undertook knowing what it is, all right? But being that, you know, end of the world gaming, is just one bald knucklehead and his cats, you know, making making video.
Battle reports. No, nobody's, nobody's, nobody's gonna be leaving a diptych on with a, you know, with a 10,000 dollar solid gold statue for first place. So, if that was what you were coming out for Just go ahead and hit the like button in the web part, golden Planet Jeremy statute. That's that's the that's that's should be the the the Golden Crown. You walk out with me as a winning champion of the confrontation tournament at that to go in 2023.
I do believe that I do believe that a depth Khan is actually going to be providing first second and third-place metals, that is why the tournament is 25 dollars as opposed to the narrative event, which is $10. Cool. So, I mean I can I can go and get you a second place metal and show you how ridiculous they are because they're actually they are actually pretty cool. Oh wow that is again.
Yeah this is this is a tournament Medallion that was provided by a def con last year for an event that Jordan I took second place in a cool. That's right man, that's awesome. That is that is kind of more or less the design for It varies from year to year, but so yeah. First, second third should probably be getting one of those and that's it. But yeah, I mean, again, I don't, I don't want that to be what people are hung up on. I want people to come out and play.
No, it's fine. That is done. Yeah, I'm just joking with you might, but yeah, but it's just John and Joanna coming out for to climb. So, Jordan is coming out. Jordan is going to be helping me on Friday, which is much. Appreciated and then he is actually going to be taking ophidians into the event on Saturday. So, you know, there will be snake mans nice. Nice, nice, nice. And I'm the one big thing. Yep.
Is we've got a couple of Judges lined up and nobody is going to know what the scenarios are in advance, basically, until until day of, I mean, they're in here but so nobody's going to be able to Tech for what to do. Older what to do. So go Tesla test against all of the scenarios in the packet. That's all I can say really. Yeah all right. Hold on, hold on, don't test Battle of The Chieftains because that scenario is hot garbage and I would not do that to any of
you. And this isn't, this isn't like a, this isn't like an amazing troll where I'm going around for battle The Chieftains, No. It's Battle of The Chieftains is not going to be in the mix because that scenario is terrible next question. How about for newbies, like guys who just, you know, sort of new to the confrontation hobby? Much like your recent guest on your YouTube channel? What's the gentleman's name again? Is it Daniel the sandal? That's it? Yeah. Is he coming along?
I believe that he is going to be. I believe that he's gonna be out for that. I am going to have so they're right there. Going to be 8, tournament tables. And I'm going to try to have for free play /, open play table set up, you know, that's, that's kind of a knock would I don't think that they're going to have us crammed in butts to nuts, but it's going to be dependent on how much space I have available.
But like I said, I am going to have, I'm going to have some extra space setup and Kyle from Temple of the West, maybe maybe running some Some demos for us. So yeah. You know that is that is the thing. Yep. That's and you know if if he can do that that is going to be absolutely super great and I would love to see it because the stuff that he's been putting out is absolutely amazing. Yep, that's been outstanding
might. So you have heard, I've heard Whispers of that happening and little demo table of him running, not for games, but just sort of parts of the game that he's developing at the moment for confrontation continue. Um, so that sounds very, very exciting as well as the tournament. So hopefully this will grow and expand and, you know, become more popular as time goes on there, for you Jeremy. So thanks very much again.
Might be coming in and talk to us about it and all the very best, we maintain and, and hope it's going to be very successful for you. Sort of way you know I heard that also may be brilliant. I'll be good. I wish I could get out there but obviously my numbers didn't come up in the lotto so I can't say that. I be put me in my place down and booking my booking my seat on the plane. Unfortunately let's let's sit let's wait until next week mate. See what happens.
All right, that type of I'm coming. It's oncoming. I'm taking Tina boar. Guaranteed last place will come on notnot, last place. I mean, I think I, you know, if nothing else if nothing else, the dwarves will make it difficult for certain armies just by virtue of how long, they, how long they stay in? So, that's true. That's true.
All right buddy. Well, thanks again, for coming in to talk to us about it. And if people want to register and come along to the event, I'll leave links in the show notes. To get to adapt to cons website. So they can book their place and come and see you. And the guys there and have some fun all the day. All right, sounds like a plan. Okay, so welcome to confront cast. This is Josh in your host and I'm joined with goo Beltre from the from Italy. Hey, good Walter. How are you?
Hi Josh, I'm pretty good, thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah. So I'm pretty good pretty excited to be in podcast today with you. And just share some of the latest about the confirmation of, for sure, right? Yeah, because I asked you one, because you had some sad news to share with the community for the confrontation app. This is the computation Club have I should say that's been available. Now, for about two years now, Tomatoes, a year and a half, I think two years.
Sweet To who use there's Mark, probably move more. Yes, it's been around for a while now. Okay? And I remember I had you on on my channel YouTube channel to talk about it and we showed some video live streaming of the actual app in its infancy before it actually was released and everyone was really excited about it. And of course, has been out now and many like, use as you say, like over a thousand, people have downloaded it and using it on their iOS, or Android
devices. And yeah, so, People are enjoying it and they using it hopefully hopefully for their games or just building lists, or just having fun tinkering around with it and that kind of thing and giving their feedback. So made, how's it been going this last couple of years? Yeah, so I can speak a bit more about that.
So initially we saw a lot of interest and bars and people willing to, you know, contribute to the app and what alexandrine I set up to do Who was trying to use the up as a mean, to revive this game that we love. We believe that we wanted to create the best way for people to get to know confrontation and hopefully encourage more and more player that I've never played that to, to build armies. Get to know the game and try it
out with our friends. Now, of course the conference, a very Niche and small community, as many old game, have a super, super passionate and appreciative People and it took us two year to actually build the, you know, the first version that of the app and we we absolutely crafted it because we wanted to be very proud about the quality of the app. We made it work on tablet on landscape but you're like make it because again the intent was to for it to be available to as
many people as possible. And so we make an effort to choose the right Frameworks. So that is on Android iOS and every possible device. So it runs on many devices, low end, high end and we've spent some time crafting and optimizing it and we set out initially. We had a lot more ideas around and maybe we'll use it also to manage Collections and we've done some exploration there.
But ultimately we set to just show the rules and the games and show what The functions and then making Army Builder, fully aware, like, the community was super excited. Everybody would love to have expanding it and have the ability to also add the sub functions. So that's not a thing that it's extremely complex to do, because there's a lot of rules that are extremely specific for use case and it's it's beyond what the actual engine of the up is
capable of doing at the moment. And then initially just to set. Also some more background because we know that the community is extremely scatter than you. Have people playing the 3.0 people Tree in 3.5 people playing confrontation, five of evolution which is the Italian version of it. Confederation of course have
their own version of the rules. We decided to launch with the 3.5 which is a latest version of rock comes officially supported and we added some limitation which are not enforced.
The the up kind of check that you are around the 400 points Mark. But you know this there's a lot of rules are enforced such as having a characters and stuff like that because we believe that we want to give people the freedom to actually if you want to make a 700 points Army, yeah, you're gonna have an alert, but no one's going to stop you to do that. Now if you want to have a 100-point game, you can do that too. And so after having launched many people was very excited.
We have And at some point, I believe 10 subscribers to I think at Peak, we had 12 subscriber which net 21 percent of the people that actually used up. So over the world official number that we have is 1137, people have an account and of this, let's say you have thousand user that created our me. So this is roughly When we had ten dollar, it was one percent of people contributed to keep the up free for everybody.
And we really want to double down on this work to be able to actually Showcase this game to everybody. Through partnering through, maybe we do advertising for the app or advertising for the game but never we never expected to be something for, you know, as a source of Revenue. In fact, you know, the both professional developer and designer is and we didn't expect any.
We know that it's a hobby that we do for love we and we spend a lot of Time crafting this up because also we take pride in our work and we want to make something that people love and get to present the game at the best that we can. So right now, Josh wearing a little bit of problem as I posted on Facebook and Discord web, we just we over time people, the web subscribing to the up. Have actually dropped their support and that's very understandable. We've been through And then make
everyone has such a hard time. Some people have lost their jobs, so we totally first and foremost we don't bear a grudge with anybody. We feel like the people have contributed like one, thank them. I think the community is stronger because of the fuel. It contributed to the app and we opted we reach as many people as possible but long story short right now because they are as ongoing costs of Maintenance, this most is like the domain the
house. Testing the SSL certificate, keeping up with update, keeping up the dark using our to developer licenses etc, etc. And that are made specifically for the up. It's costly. And right, at the moment, we only have left with three supporters and this equates to roughly 10 pound a month like something around 10 p.m. But it's definitely not enough to sustain the coast. All the costs that they have as over the year over the span of a year.
So there's a high risk. We are at risk right now to actually dry the funds of the app that we have accrued over the years, the two years of the Nations and should that happen. It means that probably people will not be able to create more armies and use the service that allowed them to log into the app. So basically what will happen is very likely to happen is that we won't be able to actually pay for the services that allow people to log in.
Even though it's a small amount you know it's like you have to have the balance to pay that otherwise it will stop working and this means that people will not be able to find their armies, alongside their account because The service we use condensed or the army that you create in your app in an external database that link them to your account.
And so every time you opened up it checks that the person that's logged in, it's a certain person and then populates their army is into the up. So that's where we're at the moment. And I feel I feel grateful for everybody that's donated so far and extremely proud that so many people are using the up. I take pride in the fact that it started as a very small app and now we have 1,000 people using it. That's absolutely.
I think a success for me personally and for Ali But I also want to acknowledge that we wanted to do so much more and due to life circumstances and family circumstances, we weren't actually able to keep them up-to-date as much as we wanted or make enough changes that we as we wanted to. Excuse me. So that's a bit of a part of me. That's a bit of a problem right now. Where if the up actually Yeah, if we don't get enough supporters then we are unlikely to.
I want to see will shut down the app but you know, we have to find either Island. I will have to pay pay for the up ourselves, which is, of course, not desirable. And I'm not going to say it's out of the question because I still love this obvi and I love the people I love Learning about confront decision and are making friendship to her for this one, it means a lot to me. And, but at the same time, I
feel a bit frustrated. You know, I have to be honest on the fact that I was hoping that, you know, maybe more than one percent of the people that actually use, it will be happy to chip in and donate. Of course, there are plenty of people that have done one or donations, but for us, subscribers are really important because they, That's what ultimately allow us to make more.
Let's say, you know, one good question that I always try to ask myself well if I have 100 of people donating and, you know, it's almost like a salary, what we'll be doing with that money, you know, because the service is such a small amount of money, but let's say that tomorrow, lots of people donate I personally will want to invest in or maybe I can pay an external developer to help us with the next 60 feature or I can even spend some money in advertising to promote the up to
people that maybe don't ever consider that. Confrontation is a game that they may play, because what I'm finding is that, you know, the player, it's a very Niche game, Skirmish the people, it's hard to get the minister so you really get it. Into the people getting the game to the people. I feel is the hardest part which is why I'm grateful of all this people that are like yourself for investing in content which allow people to discover the game. Sorry mean speaking a lot that's
good, that's good. Think about it. Don't worry if you're doing a great job I think yeah it would be really sad day when the confrontation Club app is finally put to rest without the support of the community. So this is basically, I've asked you want Just to remind people that if they're using it, they're enjoying it and they don't want to see it disappear or they don't want to see those aspects of the, you know, saving their armies on their app and
that kind of thing. Go away, please, you know, be mindful of that. You know just make a one-off contribution, make a day at a monthly is it three dollars, three dollars, 50 donation, or something like that, to become a supporter and something like that each month. And then you'll sort of, you know, you've got, you know basically you have an app that you can be using for the long term in the future years and you could share that with other people that you might come across.
You want to play very interested in confrontation and get them to use the app and you know, extended that way in your gaming communities and that kind of thing. So yeah, yeah. I really hope that you do get the support that you need that, you know, guys can fund it.
I'm sufficiently that you don't have to put any of your own personal funds in there because I mean, you know I'm not a I'm not a tech guy, I can just look at that app and just think, wow, that must have just taken so long that he said two years to develop it the amount of time you put into it and then getting all the feedback from the community to say, okay well maybe this is this is worded wrong or there's a typo here or you know, there's is Miss information on this card and
then you've gone back in and done all these updates. It'd be a real shame to see that We'll go away. Yeah, and yeah it will be really, really shame. And I want to be very I think one thing that I don't want to do and I think I would never do is actually make that up paid for which I think it really truly defeat this period for which we've invested the time to make the up.
You know the spirit was let's make this available for everybody for making paid for you know what does that tell about what we're trying to accomplish. So I I really did think that would be the wrong way to go about this and say, Hey, you know, if people are not Finding it out of Goodwill than I'm going to make it paid for. I think it just defeats the purpose of the app. And I think if presented with the Dilemma well should I, you know, pay for that myself? Should I make it paid for, or
should I shut it down? Then, you know, I'm more leaning towards the option of actually, you know, I'll pursue it. I will continue this way, but never, I would never ever wanted to be a paid for service. I think it truly defeated the purpose of what we're trying to accomplish. Polish yeah I know so and I'm very open about that. It's always been this way and I think you know with build it with very solid you know the two-year investment to develop.
This is like first of all is you know, it's not our full-time job. We have full-time jobs so you know the night spent on it when I was on holiday when I was when I was taking time to do this accelerator these are never coming back in our memory actually weirdly I Oh, I cherish, you know, it's like a very special moment when we saw the first version of it up, going out.
I'm very proud of that and I think You know, we built it from the ground up with, in a way that it will be the were our way to extend so that we support multiple rule set. There are ways to extend it. So that for example, could support 3.0 and 3.5 in the same up, because we can load multiple database and we made a whole back end system. That allow us to change the points without changing the up. And then also, The same system that we built power the website.
So every time, for example, let's say I update the upstarts because people find out there's a typo here. There's a bug here or does these needs changes Etc. That also goes and populate and build the website confrontation that club. So I don't have to do to change it once we build a good architecture around it because As I said, we really wanted to make something cutting-edge that. We are also technically proud of which we are. It's just that.
Yeah, I guess in order for this to work, we will definitely need more people to support, you know, and I without the people that support, this does not much we can do. To keep this going to be honest, I know. So the motivation is, you know, start to kind of Shiver a bit, you know, the motivation to keep going to make new feature to
make new things people left. As you rightfully said, you know, people have been very demanding on you know, feeling very strongly with want this feature that feature or and I always said, hey, I put in the backlog and I think right now, if I look at up, backlog, I think it does like 120 bug fixes and changes. Hopefully over time. It will normalize, right? It will go lower and lower at the point where people don't find any more mistakes in point and bugs and type ones like that.
And now we can't really focus on and because the database is finite, we once it's fixed, it's fixed but that's the cool thing because no one actually has a perfect and complete database of Confrontation. What we can do and can achieve with the communities to actually with the help of the community reporting, these bugs and stuff like that is to have a perfect database that have all the cards and that's published in the up and on the website and the app builder is.
I think just, you know, it gives a lot of information. But also, if you look at it, we take a lot of deliberate decision into how to make it really simple for people that don't know about the game. It's intentional that you know, the cards are available to majors and and spellcaster in general, only the one that they can use. You know, you don't have to read through 23 books and million of different cards, you only have what's available and fair enough. Sometimes we miss okiyo you miss
this spell for this model. That's okay, we can always fix that. But what's important for us is that if you have to tell a friend hey Mike, pick up a function, do you know what's the function you love?
And then give them the option that I have to play, you know, it should be really simple and streamlined, and we really tried our hardest to make that first time you creation as simple as possible, despite confrontation confrontation being actually one of the most multi layered and complex Skirmish game. You know, you can have the fear of different spell and, you know, maybe there are artifacts that, you know, not all artifacts are just for Heroes octopus coming also for troops.
So it's like, there's so much rules that are actually Special case that requires special handling and so there's a lot of special case handling tool which is extremely time-consuming when you when you want to do you know a system that makes and compile an Army Builder. So yeah, I think from our end it's a very exciting project. I wish we can spend more time there. Unfortunately, as I said, we both had unfortunate life event that pull us away the office.
Ending time nights mostly to improve the app, but I still think that the as it is, it's an extremely valuable service and I like to think that we've built the best way for people to get to know confrontation. So I hope we can keep this up with the community help because I really hope so too. So if people are interested in supporting you and the application and keeping it alive, please. Head over to the confrontation Club website.
I'll leave a link in the show notes and then you can click on to become a supporter and follow the links there to either give a the guys, either a one-off payment or become a regular subscriber and support them that way. So it could better. Thank you very much for coming onto the concrete cast podcast and I wish you all the best. Thank you very much wish you all the best to you and see you
soon. And one, last question, goodbye to it. Last time we spoke Ugh, your you had your turn, the bolt tenable Army and your that's your favorite faction as you're using, it is Cole's. Iraq on the Discord. How many how many tenable model models? Have you painted since we last spoke about two years ago? Penis. I was say I'm pretty bad at painting. So I will say for maybe I'm not in pain. I'm more of a collector kind of person.
I have actually whole like unpainted, see the modules and I actually, you know, funny story and then I'll close it. I, I wanted to find like a, I want eventually one of my childhood dreams was to have it professionally painted by someone. You know, known or renewed. And I've contacted a Lucas Miniatures from squid, more games. Oh yeah. If the see if he was available for commission and paint a Harmony, but it you know it's like a whole Army is too much.
Even at this like I want to have it display level but in saying that II love the video, having it painted by someone that can go above and beyond, you know, what? I am capable of. So I enjoy painting but I also love a good. Have a good piece of Art in this play. But yeah, it couldn't make it because, you know, and doing model a display level. It's extremely time consuming and it's super busy.
So, if anybody is a fainter and maybe the model, picked me up on the email of Confrontation Carbon on the Discovery Channel of the confrontation club, I'm more than happy to, you know, hear your proposal. I'll send you a box sitting down, so that's good. That's good. You sitting down a good thing. One thing I did though I bought an entire mineral Army which is still in a very good, you too amazing to me, I love so beautiful. Such beautiful. Interesting models.
Yep. You know the app is certainly helped me in like rediscovering my, you know, interest in confrontation and in having obviously Paul here to play with its rekindled, our kind of Interest in getting more armies, getting more profiles, you know, using the app a lot more and actually playing the game, which is the probably the main, the main aim of what we're doing, you know, actually playing it. So that's really good. I'm really glad that you've.
You've got your Mentor Army now, so you've got more unpainted models. Yes, excellent. Yeah, I love shame is skyrocketing all right, give Alton well, thank you very much again. For your time today, mate. I know you're very busy. So take care and all the best with confrontation Club. You so much and have a beautiful evening YouTube. Thank you. Bye. So yeah. Flavia, thank you very much for coming onto the on, to the contrary cast with me today.
And For anybody who doesn't know like anything about you and where you're from and, and you know what your contribution is to the community. Would you like to give the community a bit of an insight into all that for us? I thought, first of all, thank you very much for having me here. I'm always following and listening to your podcast when the videos on YouTube. With with Greg then die, I really appreciate them. And thank you for your contribution to the The
community as well. My name is Flavio on online and in the community I'm also known as a failure. I have to say represent the it come from 23, a naval rotation arrow in evil in in Italy. I run the page on Facebook and and the group and I've been helping the Italian Community, I don't know for the last Twelve years probably. Then 12, as you probably know, evil is one of the last or latest incarnation of the confrontation, 443, Brittany community, and which is what I'm from.
Even if currently, I'm based in London, in the United Kingdom, the Evo is pretty much like the Possibly 6th edition of Confrontation, for forty thousand players. Although, like clearly at the moment is going some up and downs and the community has suffered a lot after the kickstarter and failed. You know, sense. The two runs on, like, like everywhere. What I can say is that about evil, just to give a bit of
context is that we worked on it? As a evolution of fifth edition and the fourth edition that followed the 3.5 in all over the world. And in the Italian Community, especially even after the death of Rackham was still quite healthy. We had plenty of players and it will follow the Italian court rules with all the limitations on very often tournaments, were the only moment where people We're able to play and to meet other others.
So it was quite important for us to keep on adding some balance tournament so that nobody could get, you know, I'm frustrated or unhappy with it. And the idea of being able to play any kind of Army and and character and unit was, was quite Paramount as you probably know, like, in Walling, 3.0 you, You pretty much can't play much much magic or Mystics, because spells are very expensive. Reverse happens in 3.5 where you've got a. If you don't play me sticks, you
don't win. And hence why I like usually arm is like lions are Quran. And someday are very, very powerful and others, right? If hours or drones are usually not performing well, and It's actually like the idea started with short fourth edition, which I didn't contribute almost anything was starting to rebalance the game with new balancing rules or restrictions and changing the cost of the various profiles. And then like through several
are iteration. We went to through the 5th edition that again is built on on the Italian forth and then the evil that I don't know if it's the sixth or the 5.5. The doesn't diverse that much and given how much effort we put into it. We decided to also translated in English so that anyone could benefit it with and we ambitiously try to mate a to recreator an International Community at a time where everybody could join from all
over the world. That's why we are didn't like somebody that was willing to take. I think it happened to take the evil rule, set to whatever. Icon for for being the most possible in 2016 or 2017, we had some volunteer from Spain that started translating the rules in Spanish and possibly somebody from France. I think although like as you probably know, the French Community has got a very, very strong rule set in with their own accord version which is Really interesting as well.
I am not familiar with it, but I remember all that. Also, the time, when we started doing the fifth and evil, we had some conversation with them and to try to work together. However, the philosophical decision behind the evolution of the rules that were very different and we couldn't really agree on what it was most important to either limit or
change. So, in the end, we were not able to cooperate but Yeah, I think they did an amazing work and they keep on, keep they keep on keeping the game alive in a fantastic way. Right? No, no, please. That's really good to hear. I'm not really familiar with all these other variants, to be
quite honest with you. And that's why I brought you on Flavio to. So you can talk about, you know, how different Evo is from the core 3.0 rules that we find in a big black, big black, the core, the core of the game is the same. If you know the rules of 3 or 3 .5, it's not too hard to pick up. The evil rule set. I would say, one of the main changes that we apply these that are possibly. The wound system is not not the same in order to make it more
approachable for new players. We remove the point level, you know, light/medium severe. I can't remember their critical wounds and some and we changed it with with regular numbers. So the system of talking is is a bit lost which was an interesting feature from confrontation. However, this also allowed us to grow above the let's say killing
somebody with, just for runes. So some Target can have 5 6 even 7 in certain cases, We change it up with the line of sight rules and the rules I think for charge, but is just to reduce the how much you can lease a not cheat. But it's like yeah to make it a bit. More like sportive and I guess more friendly. Let's say username your. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I think avoided people like
misbehaving. Yeah. Most of the rules, like, of fourth fifth and evils addition were kind of based on the fact that I don't know if you're culturally or or what but it on your players are very good at breaking the game without breaking the rules. And as such like, in order, as I said to avoid frustration, in new people at tournaments, what you tend to see.
Very least are media's that are very pushed to the Limit, and you have to apply this kind of Measures to contain misbehaviors, let's say in order not to frustrate everyone, not to spoil the the events and as we see it tournament should be like an opportunity for being married together and seeing friends and party with you know apple pie board game a tabletop wargame and not being like ultra competitive and Nest is good. That's good to hear. And yeah.
So most of the rules are like for balancing basically. And for avoid excessive things for example you can't in any way you can't go above certain strands threshold like 15 unless it's already printed on the card. And the bonus is you can provide with spells or mutagen or Miracles or functions rules started. Don't stock the so you can go only up to certain values. In order to avoid like I do nominated with strength to 30 or or things like this, there's become like impossible to go to
stop killing machines. We made it easier to neutralize spells and miracles according to the basic rule, you need to be close to the Target. If I remember correctly to stop it, instead of Nursery close to the spellcaster, not come close to the Target. We instead change it that you can either be close to the Target or the spellcaster. So it doubles your chances of being able to neutralize a spell or absorb or contrast, whichever it is. And likewise for for face, what else did we change?
Well, I generally balance of all the miniature costs so that if something was as a too cheap for its Effectiveness on the field or to Pensive, they've been re-recorded. Can you say the constant reassessed, some miniature that were impossible to make effective?
We've been given some new effects, for example, like the Griffon Duelists, they are, there is nothing, you can't either you make them with a, not, not free, but either you, you reduce their costs so much that become unfair or Or they can't be really effective. So we decided to give them some special ability so the to make them bit more interesting. Although right now, I can't remember which one it was.
And then we created the new faction for the Army study and everyone like ophidians like the farty, for example, of course, also the factions have been rebalanced or change in order to make them more either weaker or stronger, depending on the needs, you had some some armies. Like I think the wall fence We're pretty much were always using the Red Oak or the opal because they were so good that the others make no sense to be used. Now everything is a bit more.
I think I'll answer that. You can pick whatever you want. Yeah, I think these are the main things. As I said, pretty much the roots are the same. Some stuff has been a bit updated, some abilities, slightly changed for example, fear. Cheers. You know that is the one that you don't die at the end until the end of the term. We made it a bit weaker so that you don't die until the end of
the phase. Instead of until the end of the term because some armies, like the ruins are able to field a lot of your Fighters and get can cause big of issues. We are. Okay. You another important one that there was forgetting happening. Double six is not a kill outright anymore. We decided to reduce the impact of luck on the. That's also double six always in flux, at least, once it can inflict more, the based on the table that can goes up to 27.
I think, however, if for example, if you've got a problem or order a double six will not kill. I don't know. An aberration or work. It will just inflict some Owens. Likewise we rolling a one is not anymore. Automatic failure. It if you roll a one basically, Yuri roll again. And the nude, the nude, a result gets subtracted from the start you are, you're using for the test.
So, for example, if you've got a stack for you, roll a 1, then reload, again, you get better to to get subtracted from the for. So your test result is a to Okay. That's interesting. All right of course if you if the total goes to zero or less is a failure and if I remember correctly, if you roll like a one, followed by six is
automatic failure in that case. So the automatic failure chance stands and this was the unnecessary because the According to our perception luck, shouldn't completely destroy your strategy. If you're a good player it shouldn't be that. Let's say I'm a better player on an experienced player should be able to win just based on pure luck against like a veteran. If it makes sense. Oh yeah, I understand. Yeah, okay, that's right
suppose. Yeah. I mean I quite like the exploding sixes and I like the ones failing. I mean, it just yeah, it just depends on the person I guess and depends how far and how willing there. They're willing to compromise on those kind of changes. Yeah, that sounds very interesting. So sounds like to me it sounds quite a big deviation from the original rules for me personally but Really, I would say the basic rules are the same. So like if you can play as I said 3.0 it will not be
difficult to pick up the game. You probably will not even really a big need to read the rules if somebody explain them to you. However yes there are of course there are four is there are changes is it's not the same. Yeah. Is it true that Sanskrit or sent you a cease and desist letter to stop? Playing Evo? Not not, not really like the season disease just so The idea that we would they have cooperate with them for creating the rules.
And there was an idea what they proposed is that we would even would have become. There is a legacy rousset for like older versions and they were developing a new rule set that we would have helped with. So the intention was for us to support the game food for them. However, basically they asked us
to yeah, stop. Expanding the evil community and like instead of support them stop expanding the game until like, you know, everything was set on their side and and we were quite happy to cooperate with them because like it sounded great and it was kind of like, you know, the and knowledge meant of our effort in supporting the International Community beside Italian one. And we were pretty Keen so we were in touch with them. But Kind of they started
disappearing. And after we lost momentum on our on our side of, keeping the game alive, and active with updates, and you know, creating new profiles, new abilities and not abilities, main pivot when you rules and so on or balancing, the team disbanded pretty much the then we stopped.
So yeah, Let's justlet's kudos to you guys because it puts you guys on the radar for Sansa to actually contact you and say, hey, you know, guys stop stop playing this game, you know, come and help us and create this Legacy ruleset. So that's that's pretty impressive. Thank you very much. Yeah, it was cool. We were extremely disappointed like I think everybody the it has been another hard blow to the confrontation. And community and others say respectability like hard.
To take it seriously. After after that. Now, I hope right now is able to revise or did the game and bring it forward with continued? But yeah, a lot of people were completely gutted by the result of the kickstarter. Yeah, I think confrontation and Kickstarter should be two words that should not ever go together again probably. Yeah, it's this cursed. I think so. Yeah, so if a bit, but let's let's go back fluffy and let's go back to where you first started in the hobby.
Like how did you actually come in contact with miniature tabletop gaming? So, okay, I started playing tabletop gaming. When I was 14 15, I had a classmate of mine first year of high school. Spoon, that he was already collecting high heels in what a
fantasy. It's the battles and possibly because it was a good good at convincing people, possibly, because I like that kind of things have been always playing, you know, video games or like in fantasy and so on, it was pretty easy for him to drag me into what I'm a fantasy better. What? I started collecting lizard, man. And this was like, 98, I think 99 problem, and then you're going to the, you know, local board game shop. Starting City's, amazing.
Miniature from different brand that I didn't know. I remember like fire Elemental, remember, like all things in the familiars. All very cool Miniatures. Then after a few years like a good group of friends, we were like, It is, we should try this game. Like Miniatures are a stunning, and you don't need too many, so let's give it a shot and I think it was 2004 2005, something like that. Probably. And I picked up the catalog yet over fantastic.
And so I started thinking about okay, which which army should I go for? And we friends we started to kind of split. Who's doing what and I would like to compete undecided, but let's go for, this is my first Peak has been assumed, you know, with the novel. However, I quickly find out that it was alone, so I couldn't really play your videos at a time and then I decided to go for the dividers which were mine. You know, big were dwarfed in crazy are more.
So looking super cool. And I think I got like the box with the more orders were orders. Can't remember what they're called, but really they, thanks. And the maybe more orders and the and Zeta. And I think as a character according to a suggestion of the shopkeeper then I don't know if it was actually a good suggestion. Probably probably it was okay but other characters and other miniature were definitely more
interesting. Like the flesh-eaters the tyrants Valerie's, the half-elf limit is the faithful from there. Plenty of beautiful Miniatures that I started collecting, and, and so on. All right, we have the dirt devour has been sort of your main faction. Yes, yes, yes. Then when once you figure on starting coming out, so I collected them as well. And once cut Bolin came out, like I instantly fell in love with with the aesthetic and all
the background. Also, the tabletop RPG really captured me. So, yeah, cut along become my My second home at that point and collecting called the various species that yeah we're beautiful. So I would say possibly control and has become my that both I would say equally the virus and several of my main armies ophidians because of the Very small amount of profile measles available always been a complicated Army to play.
So I played it much less and what since the demise of sense to tour and that kind of thing have has the Evo Community, sort of, you know, got back on its feet and start expanding again. Or is it sort of just at the same sort of Point as it was
before? Yeah, I would say unfortunately I more either thing pointer or Because a lot of people are lost fighting it. And however in the last few years, thanks to you people like Savannah technicai lesson, bit of Faith. Hope Has Come Back and more players in Italy are receiving the. I know that they are doing like, kind of a mantra tournaments or a monthly event. I think in Northern Italian with kind of like 15, 20 players, which is not too bad. So yeah, it's quite quite a nice to hear.
They are always a bit the same people but still it's fantastic that they managed to find the time and energy and we'll have to keep on playing. And it's wonderful. And is there a sort of Eva or this confrontation to, you know, community in the UK where you're living now? Unfortunately? No. Not that I'm aware of, I've not been able to play for for a
while. I'm mostly supporting through, you know, keep trying to keeping alive the Facebook group sharing, like interesting stories, or things like that, or releases from something fun. Or, for example, or Kyle or Interesting events. Like for example I did also then I saw it. I managed to get hold of a lot of old ravage Magazine from French. Yeah and I scanned all the interesting Parts which are The reach of a lot of very cool stuff.
This the people in the ravaged magazine, like, you know, the journalists were in close contact with with recommended
time. Mhm. So the content in there are not official per se but they were like, done by friends of rock and so they were a regular touch and they could get, like, informed opinion if something was sensible or not, there was actually one minute to them, by ravaged, that became official, which was low current And Ilan, mercenary guy but in all these these articles there are some fantastic scenarios for four bottles like new profiles.
I really like there is a scenario in which there is a griphon Inquisitor that force in love with a Fionna.
And in there is a battle between Griffin and, and sis are about like Did the Griffin aren't trying to get this guy back to the Inquisition where there's a circle, like fight pretty much for, for the couple to be able to stay together and the the this Inquisitor guy, depending on the outcome, how the butter goes that during the Battle of. If somebody dies are some changes faction can fight for one or the other side, you've got another scenario with the rebel Goblin pirate like a
moose. Any that breaks up the got the pirate crew and like you've got an internal fight you've got you got a lot of interesting stories and they are probably very fun to play. Oh, I think ravish magazine was the magazine I bought and I think was the English version or a found hybrid and that sort of started, my whole confrontation confrontation Journey from there, I think.
Oh really now I'm sure they had a, I'm sure rabbit had an English version in Australia. I'm positive of it because I was thinking about the other day. What magazine? It was what title was and I and when you said ravaged, I thought, yeah, I remember that because all the painters back then were really hooked on getting these Magazines imported in to Australia and I'm sure sure there aren't any English. Yeah, it was either that or something else.
Is another magazine that followed it was like a hobby magazine at all different, kinds of game systems and rack and obviously was one of the most featured ones in there. And yeah, a notice. Remember that now? It was a really good they make it. Yeah, I want that no one wanted him. If there were any interesting content in the English version as well, you know, like new profiles or things I get, I kind of like entering a spreadsheet be in new characters or units
that in these are all 30 issues. I collected of Revenue magazine, they created and there are like, I don't 14, you Miniatures, 40, new profiles, something like that. Some are clones of existing ones, but some others are very nice. New options that can can be playable. There is a whole scenario where the, I think it was for C1 but easily convertible to see three or so, where do you write the Lioness gets captured, then
basically brainwashed. And so you've got like a profile that is evil and corrupted the for working for our Quran and for the Undead's and Got the heroes that need to try to work from Milan to try to rescue her. And then if they fail, I think, or like, they win some Mission because you go to, like a tree structure that depending on the outcome of the battles, the story changes the pro changes and you've got like a, a certain
event happens. Like she is fused with maybe alderon or male model, or something like that. And click create like a something similar to The Great, crane your Mighty, crane like a another Super Evil monster. Mmm, let's go. Maybe this the magazine. I'm thinking about was like a reboot or a u.s. Edition or something like that because it has yeah it was definitely an English and at all kinds of different game systems and but I remember the French ones. The French rap is ravaged magazines.
Will look very expensive and you know they had all this wonderfully painted models in there was mainly as a painting magazine. I think Miniature paintings. That's great. Yeah, you're an amazing painter. So I'm sure that was a good source of inspiration for you might not not. Not compared to the French guys are just blew my mind. Like, I'm really hoping to get Martin. I just spoke to my mom on messenger today, actually, and he still want him to come on.
At some point to talk to me about his his time with rack and and painting with Vincent, they're in the studio. I mean, that would be absolutely amazing. Well, so yeah, as if For a paint out. Anyway, that's my dream come true to speak to those guys because they just Revolution, they revolutionize everything. I think they change the whole industry in terms of like what people would thought. You know, miniature painting. Was it just turned it on its head?
I think those two guys. So yeah plus the other basically they've been to like they are painting on canvas but that's right. Yeah, no it's really really good. So yeah, no, it's wonderful. So just just a couple quick fire questions. What is your favorite miniature in your entire collection did you go to one side like because of How good is he is in? Like how cool it looks pretty neat. I don't invite this. Maybe it's one of my favorites.
It's a torrent one with the big like a trophy wreck on its back. No that's probably nigger is a character and the Tyrant is very elite fighter. Like 76 points is a still a big Devourer is got Double-edged blade in one end and possibly a head in his other end, right, heavily armored totally badass. Otherwise, it looks great otherwise I'm thinking about for the world or maybe what they like. Mhm. There are some good clean your
tools that as well. The cat's amazing, miniature say, I think yq2 I think, you know, once I saw Cadwell and that was it. I was just like totally swept away with that whole the imagery you know like the artwork they had in the books in in the in the magazines and the scenery and the models it was just incredible. Yeah absolutely. And the quality of the RPG manual is like yeah so high like it. From the paper quality to the into the print, the redefinition
of the images is stunning. And I think that it today like an S more old Hammer than anything else because you know, Gary taubes can't contributions to the art work and when I first saw it it really connected me with the one of the first edition will have a role play books. You know, I really felt that sense. It was just very much like that, it was sort of set very similar into that kind of parallel universe with the art, Lydia the art Direction, and that kind of thing.
It really gave this sense that the black-and-white drawings and everything. It. Yeah, just really gave me this feeling that I'm playing. Saying Warhammer roleplay, but in the Cadwell and universe kind of thing. Yeah, Mandy yeah. I see what you mean. I guess theme.
I've not seen it for a for some years but I have the first edition of the Warhammer tabletop RPG Eve Italian, which is, yeah, it is literally translate which is funny is literally translated is called instead of being called Warhammer basically School. The Hammers of war and, uh, she's a bit but it's interesting because probably who Translate That not much idea of of the game in general, but it was a interesting actually, I played it a few times and it is
potential. Then II know that is a massive following and at several other additions. But even the first one was with, well done. Well, it's one of those things. I'm going to take my bucket list of actually playing cadwal, and I had the books. I had the Secrets book, I had all the tiles and all the Miniatures and everything and of course, like all that stuff,
never got. Played know people wanted to play it. So it's one of those things that I hope to get on the table at some point and actually play it. It's and just experience it for myself. I was lucky enough for a few until like two years ago.
I think here are two. Yeah, we were playing on Zoom with some friends scattered across the across the world after it because the game master was actually based french guy based in Thailand, we had one player in Italy into in France and we managed to do a good amount of of games. Then unfortunately, the game master at some life event that took him away from, from the game. Hmm. But we're good fun. The rules are a bit intricate and not always intuitive but
once you get the values to them. Yeah, exactly. Once you get used to get the hang on, it is okay. Especially because what is nice is that you can play a great variety of characters and like as a roles and so on and you're not bound by classes like in dungeons dragons. For example, you can do a mix of don't know a fighter with the S5 inventor and okay. Interesting is interesting and you can Pretty much, create whatever, whatever you like.
I remember I was playing at the voter that decided to it. I don't know how familiar you are with the Lord, but basically at some point in the long term, the divorce move from Destiny to Darkness and my character was like, no I don't I don't agree with this decision. So I decide to to leave and go to the free city of karbala And I'm basically like it was mostly a fighter, but he was also a blacksmith. So it was creating his own armaments, his own equipment.
Well, that was the long term plan, but we didn't manage to get to that point, but that was the idea. That's a shame. Yeah. But it sounds really cool. My tongue. I'm really glad you got to actually play it. That's great. So, you're one of the lucky ones. See, question, have you ever played Ragnarok? I never did that.
No, it was, I always find it. well, I thought anybody I know there's people playing it but I Now that I think about it, I'm not even sure I ever witnessed somebody playing it. You know, life definitely is a Miss.
It's a myth. I think they just released a box set of the rules and everything and there's no never played it as apart from people in France. Maybe but yeah, it's interesting because like even the first, I think the first Cry Havoc magazine at a big spread on it, like a big battle report a crime, and I think it featured several times in several of their magazines and you could buy the army sets and all that
kind of thing. NG but I suppose just the investment of time and the money and in my near 58. The other person to play it with you. Yeah. Just wasn't going to happen. Just thinking about the like, I don't know. You played a vote of probably you don't need that many. That's Truth for organization but still if you need anything 20 I'm venting flesh eaters. Yeah. Each flesh-eater was like 12, 15 Euros so you get easily too. 300
Euros for just a single units. Like it is, I don't know, since too expensive, and I can see why Erika was trying to do it exactly to make money. Yeah. But myself, I was like, at the time, still either a student or like, you know, especially out of studies, with a small salary and ya know that all off or something like that. Now, that's fair enough. My and is your collection completely painted or do you have a, do you have white? What's the ratio like painted to unpainted?
Oh, them on TV on that. I'm a very better painter. Also I I don't enjoy it too much painting. I prefer like playing or collecting a stone wrapped, so I feel that if I paint my menu to some basically making them worse than leaving them gray. So I have some some I was bad since the what I'm going to find the better times and plenty of my list in my lizard, men are quite old Well, I mean their code or but they are not good-looking.
So, I painted some, some dividers I painted the tsukuba is, I painted some stuff, but I would say, maybe I've got, I don't know, 10 percent painted and okay. I'm very, I'm very unsatisfied with them. So the hope is that I know one day I would pay for some for them painted by some professional or so, but can't anything ever happens. Well, you can always contact me made. If you need any painting Services, I'll be more than happy to help you out.
Well, that is amazing when you are away, so it's true. Yeah. Second it has been really good to talk to you and I'm really happy that we've made this connection and all the best to yourself in the Evo community and I hope it keeps flourishing out there. May not have we get more players involved and playing confrontation. Thank you very much. It was a pleasure having this call if you want to be Back. Any other time? I would be glad to come back. Sure. My thank you very much again.
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