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Bumper Bonus Episode Featuring Jon Webb and Gert Jan

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The Delightful Gert Jan brings us news from the Call of the Crown painting challenge, and also some wonderful interviews from the people that attended the recent Dutch Oldhammer event. 

So please enjy this bumper cast and look forward to our next interview with Andy Chambers talking about the development of the codex Tyranids for 2nd edition 40K.


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Hey buddy, then and thanks again for tuning in to another episode. This is kind of like, annoying 9.5 before we lead into the the last and historic 100th episode. It's a bit of an, a bumper issue with some bonus content. We have a, some kind of a bit of a chat with me and John John Webb when we did all the Epic reviews and we had a bit of a hobby chat, that sort of extended our regular.

Time in the interview. So I sort of cut that and pulled up on patreon for a while for people to listen to. So I chucked it in there for you guys. And also we've got GJ talking about the call of the crown October entries and how that's going and also about the old Hammer Dutch event that was held in 2022. Just recently actually And DJ bring some interviews with that

as well. So hopefully you will enjoy the content in this, in this episode just to, you know, just to get a fill in the gap between now and the big one we have with antechambers talking about tyranids, which is really exciting. It may just take a little bit of time extra before we get that off the ground. So until then guys enjoyed this episode and we look forward to seeing you again next month for our 100th episode. So, take care. Care. Okay. Bye-bye.

Hello, everybody. It's GJ with an update for the call of the crown painting challenge. The October entries are in and although we do still have some stragglers that are quickly catching up at the time of recording, I can say that October has been a major success. We have in total over 21,000 points that have been Ended up across well, almost 80 different people. There have been some who have either not yet submitted anything or who have had to use that. First Mulligan, I'm going to

count them real quick. There's two, four five, five people so far that have used their Mulligan and sadly, we have already had to say goodbye to one of Of our contestants Dave Galloway. He said that he was just too busy with all the things going on in real life that even a single Mulligan would not save him a said that he hopes to join in next time. Dave made we wish you all the best with the situation that you are in now.

In a little bit happier news, like I said, over 21,000 points painted, and over a quarter of this, is just due to three people. Several people have submitted large amounts of points. We have, for example, Grim, dark roast, who is submitted a 669 points of dwarfs we have Yep. And Danny who submitted five hundred and sixty points of dark elves. There's also a flogger who submitted a single vampire, lord, flat front car Stein, which costs you six hundred and eighty points, which is a great

way to rake up those points. But these are not the people that I want to shout out the people, I do want to shout out are those that have painted almost or upwards of 1,000 points. And these are urine hunt ler, who is doing a Wood Elf Army urine has painted, let's see. Where is he? 934 points of wood elves. This does include a lot on a dragon which quickly reacts to the points, but he still has a very nice starter Army that.

He is presented to us and I think that by the time you listen to this recording I will have everything up on my blog at the moment. I don't have that yet that's just because I'm waiting for these final few stragglers to comment. Some people have been delayed a little bit. I'm not going to be too strict on that lines but please don't take that as a leeway to slack off. Let's see here.

Urine has Is Rudolph Force? Like I said, a lot of force Dragon, he has scored a falconer, which he also submitted for the war games, Orchards paint challenge for October and he has a unit of a Glade guard with bows and a command group. This is still a small force compared to what the other two have submitted. We have. Let's see. Where is he in? My list, I'm trying to keep track of everything in both an Excel file.

And I've got a Word document in which I collect all the entries before I put them up on the website, we have Frozen orc who is painting up tomb Kings and he submitted and an army of 1949 points. Not including magic items. Sadly, it is not a legal Army because it's six addition you need a tomb King to lead the I believe an eighth edition as well to making or to Prints, but it's still a very impressive law that he got here. He has to Bone Giants, he has to

tomb scorpions. He's got a casket of Souls 2 units of Cavalry that he managed to squeeze in last minute. A couple of Lich priest, a screaming skull catapult and a unit of skeleton archers for almost 2,000 points.

Very Well done. But he does not take top position this month that goes to and I hope I pronounced your name correctly, it's either I think's TN or tying, I'm probably not Stein. It doesn't sound like an English name as then I'm going with Stephen, please correct me if I'm doing this wrong, he's painting skaven which is saying something and that is upwards of twenty-five hundred points that he said, It he doesn't know the exact points value because the

list he is using, is from a scenario that is. I believe in the skaven Army book, but I'm not quite sure about that. He has painted up a doom wheel, and I'm going to call everything out. I don't think I even recognize everything on this picture, just because I have not painted. It's cave and myself, but he has a doom, really, a storm Vermin. I see Clan rats in there. Some rats, warms a lot of gutter Runners and assassin. See has, let's check here if I am missing anything.

Well, you can also read it for yourself. He wrote up a nice bit of text there. So for all of the entries combined, Over 21,000 points. I think that is a very, very good start to the challenge. And I know that a lot of people start off with this challenge,

full of fervor. And then, towards the end to see people not finding enough time having to drop out, maybe point a painting less points, and some people are just at or just Just around the bare, minimum for what they need to paint and they will make up for it, hopefully, in later months, but let's see if we can keep this up. Let's see if we can paint at least twenty one thousand points in November. Thank you very much. Everybody for listening.

Do check out all the pretty pictures all the awesome paint jobs on my blog on GJ's. Shop dot wordpress.com. I'm pretty sure there will also be a link in the show notes in the description. You can find all the info over there. They October challengepost will be right at the top of the page. It might take a little bit of time to load because of all the pictures that you will depend on your own computer and internet connection.

Thank you all very much for listening and to all the contestants, thanks for Submitting such awesome photos of your paint jobs and all the best of luck for this uncoming month. Do you make of space, dog? When I, when I play the Third Edition because my first set right play Space hold the game, I wasn't overly. Well, find the Marines is quite good. I hated playing the Steelers. Okay.

I really just did not enjoy that experience of playing the Steelers ago and it was quite boring, but the game was quite good. I think it. I think what sport it was, but we played a game mean a friend of mine. At that time, we got to a point in the certain moment of the game. I think I was playing the Steelers, and I really wanted to win and I think obviously, you know, he wanted to win as well,

and it came to like a rules. Crutch like something happened is where it was like, very ambiguous and I had interpretation habit interpretation. And we've got quite heated about it, right? Yeah. And there's moments of the night is ambiguous rule set that then. Yeah, craze that, that friction of the game done tonight. Because it's sort of sport. My whole kind of memory space Hulk because it gets so intense.

It was such an intense game. It's not like Wonder you got to laugh and have a fun have fun with. It's not like, but like playing blood Bowl, it's like a really,

really intensive. You know, I have to think a lot about what you are, you going to forward, think about so many different moves and think that My problem with it is it's more like a kind of a puzzle the game if that makes sense like useful self a plan to finish the puzzle and then you kind of execute the plan and if you got it right, it works.

If you got it wrong, you fail and there's not as much of that kind of, you know, what I love in a war game is when you hit like a moment of like, oh God, my plans once South and have to quickly think of a solution and like pivot to a new strategy and I just found with blood boil. You can't upload Bowie's, space Hulk. You can't do that because you don't have enough kind of resources and also its You know, because it's all in tunnels which is very close.

Very a very key is very aliens, very cool. But like you are in a tunnel with one way in and one way out, and no maneuverability. So you can't be like, oh, you know what? I'm going to refer you. Ignore that flank and go down the other flank, or I'm going to send these guys on a Mad Dash 0 because you're like, well, I'm in the tunnel. I've just got slog my way out again. And yeah, I don't know, man.

Like, it's, I got the, the blood angels version and again, like didn't even build it. I don't think it just sat there

for years. And a couple of years ago, I was probably more than a couple years ago now, and I think about it like me and Sam played it, and I was just like this is space Hulk. Like this is what everyone's excited about like he just feels so like, like predictable, if that makes sense like yes, of the Marines are going to go in a line and the flamer will be at the back and the guy at the front will be on OverWatch and each time you get to a section

one will peel off and start and it's just like, you just the jeans to your player is just waiting for them to fail and OverWatch role and jam their gun and then they've won, you know, and I was like, that's not Testing to me that's to like Saban Jamie, you know, very gamey game again, you know? Yeah. Yes. I was surprised because obviously it's you know like when that box you were playing came out.

It was a kid in the noise also. Oh my God, I need this game, like an interesting that you know, so talked about it before. My first experience of seeing people play games, virtual game was some guys playing. I think it was technically Advanced base Crusades, but it's hard to know because I think they'd sort of maybe could have even been 40K, but they were playing it on a space Hulk board.

As my first ever live in a visual representation of 40K was, was Orcs versus Space Marines playing on a space hog board and I was like, that looks incredible. You know, running through the tunnels and you know, I don't think I've even seen alien at that point. I was a kid but like yeah, visually it's brilliant. Like the the concept is brilliant. I just find the execution is not to my taste, shall we say?

But I know it's got fans. I'm you know I mean I'm the guy that hates Blood Bowl so I'm the bad guy, I get it but it's rendered service row. Both those games in the dangerous actually. Originally sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you want but I appreciate minority live. So many people doing so many amazing teams. Huge tournaments like so people love, you know, but it is not a game for me. I'll tell you that for nothing. Yeah, that's fair enough.

I'll tell you what that Chris has made me made me realize that I think playing with the right person. You can have a really fun game of space whole and today was like, the most memorable like this again, I'll never forget

like it was that good? It was like yeah, basically 15 minutes in. We're about to call it and say mate, you know, I don't think I'm ever going to complete this Mission and he was like, yeah, I don't think you're going to Do it. The mods are just call it now and just you know set another date to play it again and I said okay well let's stick through it lipstick through another turn and see how I go and man I just yeah I miraculously pulled it off. I pulled off something that I

never be pulled off. And it's done Chris. I can see you now because I was rolling. Six as make you like, you wouldn't believe like over again, you know, like just killing killing Steelers left. Right and Center. Like, he got most of my guys, I think, That's three guys left. But I completed the mission I had to take had to take that cat. It's the yeah, Remote device kind of thing trap thing. I've got to carry it all the way from one end to the other.

And I managed to do it. So I stuck it away in divided moment of inspiration from the emperor and yeah as I said the a oh yeah but yeah but I talked about you a lot but yeah really really good game old ever forget it and I'll say those really good one. It really imprinted. That's cool. I mean that's it like when you when you get a game like it doesn't matter.

The rules is, when you get those moments where it just clicks and everyone's having an amazing time when it's down to those, like, clutch roles and like, oh, you know, didn't think people are the bag? They are, they are great moat. Like that's when gaming is at its best. Yeah, and it's just so sad that happens. So rarely, but man when it happens, it's a good game, right? Yeah, Mike that's it. Yeah, I mean, I could probably have a totally horrible

experience playing blood bowl. For example, with the wrong person, I could have terrible dreams playing way over 40K with the wrong person yet. I mean, so I think with the with good P'nay, it just it just changes the reflection of the game completely and yeah. So that's something that I took away from that experience. Anyway. And now I really want the space Hulk second edition because I'm a Paul's came to play it too. Okay. So I'll have to track it down at some point.

I'll get my hands on it, but yeah, it's good program. How about you mate? Yeah. Not too bad just we're sort of going away, elves. I've paid 35 models and I've not even hit 1000 points here. I got two more on the desk to Shadow and that will take me up to 1000, but I've sort of cheated for the second thousand. Don't put tie-in in there because I'm not, I just, I need

to get through this now. So, and that's actually, I've actually paid quite a lot of time as well, so I'll get to 2000 lot faster, but it was just 25 stands a jet bikes man. That's a lot of jet. 30 actually cuz I see the free card as well. So yeah, 20 jet bikes dancing. 10 vipers is a lot of models to paint like. That's like a Warhammer regiment, right? Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely yeah, yeah.

Not too bad. So we're going to we're going to talk about time, Eden's. We're going to talk about time legion. So we had a bit of a Yeah, well yeah, we sort of had a bit of a hobby, talk, what we've been up to, so that's been good. But I know you've been, you know, doing a lot of stuff like painting wise on Facebook. Assemble your post their mate. So it's good that you're still motivated to keep your tracks. And I think, to be honest, that's kind of what reignited me jumping into epic.

So this was just I think I must've been just after we move down here. So about five years ago I just you know I do a build with my my epic epic for years years but like I just started painting repainting, some of the models. I've done them all up as death goals in silver and blue, but like I really like Mucky murky color scheme is really crap. So I grabbed a couple of models and start throwing some red on them, as I, let's make an evil Sons actually.

So you had paid those two tracks, five years ago and I just got every time I open the case, the other three were just like, why don't you paint me John? So what, right? I need a break from painting read. So what we do is instead of painting red Elder, I'm gonna paint, red or Hogs and so, yeah, smashed out the rest of the card just as little palate, cleanser between the the end of the jet bikes and the The start of the

vehicles. So yeah, that's good and yeah, nearly hit thousand points of the older. Can I push on and do the 3000 we shall see but getting that Leo, getting at each other projects are calling out to me I'm looking through my boxes. I'm looking at me oxacactus more do some more bad moons because I need a second Clan pain it up but I don't know like I'm very bad at sticking to the course and getting something done so we'll see how it goes off to buy

some yellow paint today. So maybe that I'm about to jump ship and jump on the bed now you're investing in paint, maybe that's a good idea to get some bad ones painted up in there. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, he's got me. Some always said, no, no, no, that's not my jam. No, I like to do my property. You know, the old school based wash layer, layer out takes forever. But I think it just gives a better finish. I'm still, you know, I've dabbled with contrast.

I've tried some things like I did use it to panel line, the, the, the the Doom? Sorry, the war planners that I did. So, You know, I do use in places but what I don't do is use it. Like it was designed to be used by use it more. As like as you are, like a pin wash or a panel wash because every time I've tried to do the whole contrast thing, I think it's because I don't work over a

white base coat, you know? And I've decided to your base coat of the color and then try and use it like the initial wash it kind of works, but actually I think with epic, you're better off. Just precisely lining in your edges for the shade and then highlighting up because it just saves time. We'll see that. We'll never use contrast myself at this, hip people swear by it for everything, I don't know. Yeah, but I've seen a lot of people do it and it does like painted definitely, you know,

Prime and white him. You know, I wish I wish I could be like that, you know, I wish I could be happy with that, because it does look great, you know, and you pick out a few details, you're ready to go. It's like, you know, you read the other books that I just paint Space Marines, in one color, and then pick the boat was out and silver. And I'm like, no, no, I can't do that, laughs just that's wrong. So yeah, unfortunately it's my own hubris, gets in the way.

That means I take forever paint in tiny tiny elves when I could be smashed them out with contrast, but we'll see. Maybe when I'm sick of the Amy, I'll just do the last thousand points quickly and where you get them done late. That's where you get them done. Like yeah, sure. I take I take time with the vehicles. I take time with the Titans I take time with all. Those kind of things, the things that really matter Infantry. Just two, three colors, maybe, what color light highlight.

That's it, you know, I'm not you still highlight and you can trim it. Look at your campus, still doing it, but I'm doing it very quickly. I want to get that process finished as quickly as possible because the way you're doing it might like it looks really nice. But yeah, it just takes so long. I would just lose interest I'll lose motivation after a while. I think I need to see you.

Do you do have the ability? But like know, in a kind of sloppy way, just to like you have that like that Perfect Blend of like, quality paint job with speed and I'd love to know how you do it because you seem to like smash stuff out at lightning speed but it looks phenomenal. So yeah, you have to give us your secrets, one day, what is the reason of DVD Justice? Absolutely I can't do that. It's just it's his positioning like I like the sit back like

this and my chair. Yeah, fulfilled like that. It's impossible. You know. You need to be like the Duncan roads guy, you're going to be sitting up, you know, in the ergonomic chair and Austria has already braised fixed in one position. Yeah, that's the right way to do it. I'm doing the wrong way. That's why I got a curved back with like, bloody Hunchback of Notre Dame. So don't don't do it my way. Frank would say do it like Duncan roads does because that's the way to do it.

Yeah. To get yourself. So your posture is good. Your back straight, I'll be doing it for God. Nearly 30 years now. So, you know, I can't change the way for us. Right. Right, right. And I've done something. I've done some of those. A Song of Ice and Fire videos and I did it like that.

Like position might sort of hunched over table, it's not easy to do. So I give a great a great amount of credit for anybody who do really good painting tutorial videos and there's so many not there, so many good ones out there. I don't need to do anymore. I humbly retire. Fair enough. But yes, that I did some pictures on my Discord Discord to shock people to shop and all people. And they were shocked and awed and also pretty good game, man.

Look, I've never played. This is a painted commission. I'm doing for a guy in Japan, okay? So it's been interesting because this is the very first time I've actually well apart from painting, some of the underworld models, but the these are the first, you know, bracket bracket war-cry age of supermodels and painting. And it's been interesting process of. I can't say that I have not enjoyed it. I mean, they're, they're a bit weird and wonderful.

Lots of finicky details. Like especially assembly. The assembly was like the super characters on a single sprue, that's okay. But I think that taking the piss because I reckon they're just born. Okay guys, we've got this side sprue and this is the model now, you need to dissect this so that every single part fills the entire screw, I think that's what they're being. I told in the studio, right? So they're just a dissected

pieces. Well overlay and not to do this because obviously I have a bit of insight and knowledge. So they work on our like you have X, they call them pads but like call it, you know, space. So yeah, this Frame is to pass. This Frame is three pads on and so forth. I shall gwa, sue me for giving me secret information now and so

they would know, right? We've got, you know, we've got this much space to fill and the reason a minute, just a cut so much now is so if you, you know, you think of a traditional metal model Or a resin figure in a rubber mold. The mold can deform when you pull them all out. So you do interesting posing. The probably plastic is it can't Flex so it has to come out on a flat angle. So everything has to be drafted to between 1.5 23 degrees and

everything has to come out flat. And so what that means is if you do low part counts, you end up with very flat miniature. So You Think of, You Know, You and Me growing up in the 90s with our plastic Miniatures, they're all, they're all like that because they can come out the mold and if you look at the war cry stuff and the own a lot of, they just take my stuff and, you know, some the 40K stuff. Now the posing as a lot more Dynamic and you Have Parts across the line.

So you've got that that layer from back everything, you know, the the line of draft, everything falls away that way and at the back Falls way that way. And so what that means is no part can cross that line, because as soon as some across the line, it it it doesn't work. You can't make it. So the more parts you car, the more pieces, you have that can cross the line because they're all flat when they get cast but then when you assemble them

across the line. And so that's why you know, every single arm headwear For even in some cases etcetera because it means all of a sudden you could have pieces going in different directions rather than just north-south. But the downside is, it makes assembly quite a larger process because all of a sudden you have all of those pieces where you know, you and I would be used to a two-part plastic, it may be, you know, like maybe the arm goes on separate.

You think the older the go for walks from the 4K s vision box, you know, the the arm was separate because it allowed the arms across the line and all the sudden he was doing that as opposed to that. People listening to this will have no idea of the pose, I just pulled. But I just, I just imitated a golfer or those playing along at home. Yeah. So so that you know, that's the problem is the more parts. You had some more complicated guess and I think what's, you

know, what's clever? As well as you know, they as well as the kind of the knowledge that the team has, they then obviously, they have the kind of the engineering aspect as well, cause you got the sculptor and the engineer who are two different teams. And then there's also, you know, there's certain amount of the computer program, does some

heavy lifting as well. And so, So they can part the frame out and, you know, program will be like, oh, you know, if you do this here in this area and you know, this that the other you'll get like ten percent more efficiency and it just allows them to fill the frames. Like it's hysterical. If you pick up, you know, what kind of a, when you and I were, were playing again in the kind

of 90's and 2000's. You look at frame from, then there's so empty because that was all being done traditionally with, you know, with the human eye and the human mind. And so they were not really optimized. And now because they've got this whole extra level of, you know, a knowledge from 20 years of doing and be this kind of this at this technology that helps supplement their knowledge.

They can just increase the, like, the frame layout in such a way that you can put way, way more on, in way, way less space. So, you know, think of the all the, the Falcon graph tank frame is a really good example. That is a Barren frame when you look at it compared to now where, you know, a vehicle framework, both Squad frame is absolutely packed. And so yeah it's really interesting but it I know what

you mean. Like there's that weird thing of I think you and I were talking earlier they like there was something quite fun about your busting a blister pack. Open grew in the models in the bases and Away you go and now assembling the figure is almost like as much time as pain in the figure sometimes, because there's just so much going on, but the single models and we're going to bring it back on the going to back, get back on track and just a second.

Just to finish off with the single models are okay to put together, don't mind those the multi-part kits where you got like five to regiment. And each individual part is suited for an individual model that just drove me nuts. Make these bloody dinosaur. Looking Cavalry, things are writing those things put together with this enlightening. So yeah, I'll be very happy when it's done and dusted and left behind it. Back to the guy and say thank

you very much ever. Again, I I don't take missions anymore because they Just get in the way of you penny for yourself. Like, there was a time when I did it for various reasons, it was kind of how I generate my hobby money whatever. But you end up realizing, you know, I painted for like three or four years and I had nothing to show for it because I know because why would I ever pay for myself when there's a commission on the desk?

So it's one of the things like unless there is a, you know, a pertinent Financial reason for you to paint commission, do man, like it's just not, it's never worth your time and you will become your will come too. Isn't it? So yeah like anyone the pains commission I you know, obviously I work with various paintings around the world. I take my hat off to them because I've been there, I've done it. The money's not spectacular and

it just kills your hobby. So yeah, well I found a good balance mate like I do I have today, I finished off Three Men of War Noble ships in the cows Wizard Tower. So I did that, I'm sort of doing stuff of my own Plus in a his staff. I've got to do that other to keep my keep my sanity. Otherwise I'll Go insane and obviously I'm doing it for financial financial reasons. I've got bills to pay and I need your extra money through the year to cover those and I want to travel to Australia and I

wouldn't pay for that. So all that committee painting commission does come in handy plus when they when they come up, I really can't say no, you know what I mean? Like, I'll put down the price and say, okay, I'll paint it for this much and if he says yeah then I'll go sir. Okay, I will grab it with two hands and just take it and okay

you know it's painting. I mean it's not Working down in some wine, or something like that, you know, things but doing something good for myself, doing some sort of time sharing that way. But, but hey, you know, it's an experience, I'm taking as an experience and that way. I'm now, it's good. I can say, yes, I put together my models. Yes, I painted them. Yes. Here's some photographs, you need some samples for the future.

And outside of your comfort zone or two to paint stuff that you never would have, otherwise painted. That's quite fun. Like, you know, I got to paint all sorts of crazy models. Like, you know, I was painting bunch of infinity stuff and I wasn't really ever going to play Infinity that much things like that. So, you know, there are advantages, but I just think there's not enough, you know, there's only so many models I'm

going to paint before I die. And the more of them that are not mine, the bigger, my part of lead gets is this a different thing called things John yeah. Sorry I sort of bring it down on the side. Before I die. Hello everybody. Its GJ, I am home again. After a very nice long day of playing Warhammer watching some games. Basically, I'm just reporting to you from the Dutch old Hammer corn about the Dutch old hammock or I should say although I have also been reporting from the

Dutch old Hammer con. I have been doing some interviews with people playing some games and That has created this segment. Joshua asked me if I could interview, some people give you some Impressions from the Dutch old Hammer. Calm. This was the first time this event was organised was organized by scheuer to. If you're a fan of the podcast,

you have already met. He has been on Joshua interviewed him a couple of weeks ago maybe few months ago and today was the first time time that he organized a day. We had 39 people joining us despite some people having to cancel last minute because of work or because of sickness health reasons. So all in all I must say, my Impressions have of this day have been quite overwhelming. It's Nice to see. So many people still caring about these old games being in general that.

I was a very nice open atmosphere. People were happy to talk about the things that they moved around a game. Looking at the tables sometimes ask questions, some of them sat down for a little bit longer, watching some games being played entirely, some people even participating in game. Eames. So all in all it was a great success and that's not just me saying that I also interviewed shirt and he has confirmed this that in his eyes. It was a success as well.

Now I do apologize in advance for the Audio. I have a microphone that I use for podcasting, which is fine if it's steady on the table, and if I don't move around too much, But the audio sensitivity changes a bit. So I have tried with my limited podcast editing skills to to normalize the sound as best as I could. But there are still sometimes that the sound of my voice is a little bit too loud because I keep the mic closer to my mouth then to that of the of the person I am interviewing.

So I do hope this does not Not distract you too much. Or damping your enjoyment. Let's go take a look around. The Dutch old Hammer. Calm I'm going to walk around for a bit, see who I can talk to. We have here. A Warhammer quest game going on. We have a Warhammer fantasy. Third Edition game going on gentlemen. Why from what are you playing?

Who's winning who's losing? My name is Jakob every war game since since the early 80s since the second edition we'll have also Old old veteran playing with Arthur, we are playing in our Warhammer Quest and we're both winning because we're playing against the system. So excellent. And how about you after I've been a war game or since the early 90s I think. And I discovered the Warhammer in 1995. So yeah. Been in the hole before quite a bit and yeah like you upset

we're both winning. Awesome. You seem to be enjoying yourselves. You have a very nice warm. A quest set here. I see not all the Miniatures are painted yet, you guys are still actively playing or is it just for for this day that you dusted off the set? And then came here? No, I'm still, it's after game after game, but yes, it's a comment, you're constantly painting. You're constantly expanding your set and On a weekly basis. We are still gaining. So yeah.

Yeah, not a big group occurs from the other side of the country. So I meet them only at conventions and so forth. But I have a small gaming group in the south of Holland. And every Wednesday night, the dice are being rolled awesome. And how did you hear about this day? How did you get here? Well, well, it's all it's all shorts fault. He initiated this. And since we're both fan of older style Warhammer games. Yeah, I sort of volunteer to

help him out and now we're here. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Enjoy your game. Let's see. Here, are some nice pictures being taken off a third edition Warhammer battle. I see a lot of Undead and I see some chaos and happy. That's a lot of India and not a lot of chaos. Well, there's also due to the point of course, but you appear to be on the losing side, then notnot yet. We'll see very quickly.

This is basically sort of end game of running campaign if we playing for I think, launched two or three years. Ready. With chaos first unit and there was a big escalation every time in what we were putting into the battles. And this is the big day where the the magic user from both sides. Try to get control to either sermon a demonic portal or cost wind of death on the entire area and claim all the all the bodies for their own and neither has happened yet.

No it only happens with three objectives as soon as one player has all three of them, at the end of the other players turn, it's now the medic win. Because then he has all the magical PowerPoints or otherwise. It will be who has the most of these at the end of the game. So there's no snow nothing. Helping you in your scaling everything. Well, you win, of course because you have everything done, but the goal is just the PowerPoint. Awesome. And you've been playing this for

for two years. Just two of you. I'm coming over to the other side of the table for a bit. You know, each other, you both live near each other. We live about an hour drive away, but we know each other for a long time for over 20 years. So we have been playing this for really for for quite a while. Always want to start with warmer Third Edition, and we finally made it happen, sometime ago,

it's a complex complex addition. And we we met we had to use some house rules and make some minor changes but overall it's a very enjoyable game and why third edition specifically it's a most elaborate I think not not in volume but most elaborate in the number of options and rules and so it's very speaks a lot to the imagination, I think and also I really liked the artwork and the models from . Very good reasons, all of them. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Enjoy your game.

Hello, meal long time. No, see, how are you doing? Well, I'm playing my second game today with my newly painted, several charts. How's it going so far so good? Dwarves, blew blew up for the account for turn one. So I'm going to keep reminding it to him because he likes that and the first game, I had a small loss with only one Victory point. So that was close with some frenzy Warlords. Killing a, lots, and lots of Shaving. Very nice and let's go over to

the dwarf side. Oscar, first time playing dwarves in a long time, very long time, but 25 years and starting very well, not the storm I can on the first turn. So yeah, let's see what happens. Well, we have you under table, we have some, some Miniatures that people brought that are basically whatever you want to pay for them.

You can pay. You can bid we have several boxes with free Miniatures, free B people can just take whatever they want, but at this set here, well, please do keep it polite, leave some stuff for all the others. We also have here, a nice table with a lot of bits. And we have someone looking through them. Hello, can I bother you for a few questions? What's your name? Yama Yama. Hi. Welcome to the ultimate con. Thank you. What are you looking for?

Yeah, just generally looking mostly at the games. I haven't played for a while so I want to get into it as well. But yeah, just meeting people meeting lobbyists. I've started like three years ago, after a break of for 15 years. So, So yeah, just getting into it again, with a friend and which games do you play? Where are my fantasy? Yeah. All right, now you're looking for Fantasy B to expand your armies. Yes yes, yes. A friend of mine place a lizard man, so I took some lizard.

Ben B for him as well. And I found a phonetic ball which I was looking for, so that's great. Yeah, I can go and play yourself. Yeah, yeah. I play a six armies Orcs and goblins chaos. The Demons of chaos beastmen, Dark Elves and High Elves. So, yeah, it's getting out of hand again. What is nice? Mix. Let's go see what else is going on here. We have a very large nicely built, Nick Rimando table. What's your name playing? Necro, Munda. How did you get here?

Oh, my name is Patrick, I'm a longtime collector for older Games Workshop games, like neck removed languor, Kimura and stuff like that. And we got an invite to host and From under table here. And this is all your own stuff. Yes. Mine and Ian Williams. Right looks beautiful. And well I don't know anything about no comuna myself and I'm sure some of the listeners do and some don't. But how is it going? I know and it's gang Warfare and you have three players I see

three different gangs. Yeah now we have chosen to take three players, three gangs just a regular shootout usually you try to play scenarios which makes the game a lot better but for a demo Oh like this, we usually do just some shootout. Yeah, it's a sort of a small gang fighting game which uses height and cover a lot. It's basically is a small version of the 40K. We have also here a battlefleet Gothic table which is not being played at the moment.

Although there's someone browsing through the book. Hello, can I ask you a few questions? Well, what's your name? How did you get here? And what is your connection to battlefleet Gothic? My name is Nils. I come from Belgium, I got you by car, but we are club from Belgium. We used to play. That'll freak, go take back in the day. And when we saw the advert for

an Dutch old-timer, calm. We were like, let's go there and let's bring battle Fleet feel good thing because probably it's one of the least things represented here. Because you see is the only table that's here. So, that's a, that's how I why we came here to show of battlefleet Gothic. This is my, don't think it's very much known to a lot of people. So how long did it take you to get here? We drove for about two and a half. Hours. That's dedication.

Mate. Yeah. And have you played already or because I see only you here to table at the moment. Yeah, my opponent is just grabbing a drink, and a phony. So I think. Yeah, we are in the middle of turn, three, I think. And yeah, it's a, the black Templars the Empire which is played by me against chaos, the iron Warriors and it's not going good for the black tank flush. So far Gil sees is a is a doing his best slaughtering slaughtering the Empire which

sucks. But hey, here we are as long as you're having fun right scales rocks. Yeah, they have it folks. Well gentlemen, enjoy your game. Good afternoon. What are you playing playing Rogue Trader. Rogue Trader. Awesome. First edition 40K. Well, actually, no addition for the gauges Rogue Trader for it. Okay. Well, I'm not a 40K player, but I know that after Oak trailer came second edition. So to me, it sounds like first, what was being played here?

We're playing extermination scenario in which the necrons are just swarming over the field and their degree. In the forces that there are and their objective is to run across the field as quickly as possible. Eliminating everything in their progress, my victory condition is mainly that I have to take out more of his than I'm worth. And in which case, I stole the attack for long, long enough to

be able to claim a victory. Also my hip pain, either way, either way most of my guys are gonna die. Yeah, I lost an scenario, right? So and I take it, you're playing Imperial Guard Then we're playing Imperial forces because there's a guard, there's half a company of space means to devastate our squads three, tacticals some command scattered

around. And there is a tiny little group hidden of inquisitorial us with their assassins that are, if you can spot them to there, and three over there, and that's basically what I have. And how many points is this? Because you have a rather large table, it's let me think you're real quick. 160 cm by 2, m 40. I think something like that. We just put the thing together that with the tables that we were allotted. I'm not even sure how many

points had. I had two days to write a scenario for this and then my friend had to go to hospital and I was taking care of his cat and walking into his house. I realized I had to spend those two days. The next two weeks, getting his house back in order. So the scenario became and against the odds thing so that he can play with everything that he's that he's got. And when a unit gets destroyed, he can cycle it back. So that's how he gets enough power to walk over the board.

I'm heading out to the organizer of the first Dutch old hammered a shirt should very busy looking at some of the nice Miniatures on display here that he may or may not take home. Should how do you look back on this day? It was a very successful day. What made it successful? Well, nice atmosphere. Lots of people coming. I really enjoyed myself. And so most of us did of offers that, hey, I saw you also So participate in some games Necromancer, I believe, yes, Nick Rimando.

First time I was it. I'm not system, I need to buy a new game and I think we have a, some breaking news here. I heard you say that this was the first Dutch Alzheimer day, but there will be, there will be a next one. Next year, even bigger, even better probably bigger as there was a lot of enthusiasm from some other organized. From events that not only with us. So there might be a large upgrades and how did you experience the whole process of organizing this day?

What I need things that you would do differently next time. I'm not sure yet. We have to see, we do some, well, look, back on the day and see what happens, a lot of info from people around and till now. Well, I think everything went. Well, we did our best and it instance, it was as a gaming day, it turned out a bit bigger. So yeah. Yeah. Well I have heard no negative feedback from anyone here. Everybody has I think has

enjoyed themselves immensely. We are nearing the end of the day, 15, more minutes or so I believe. All right, so that means that I have to see if I can finish up the campaign and back up again. Sure. Thank you very much for organizing this day. I had a blast and I hope that next year, we will get some some more of the podcast listeners here as well. So as soon as we know a date, we will mention it and then you can start booking your trips to the Netherlands.

How does that sound? Sounds like a marvelous idea just come over and join join. Join the fun. All right. Thank you very much, shoot.

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