What kind of feelings you get from healing that the old both Realms? A lot of nostalgia? I wish I had I wish I had that track first because I heard that track first order film fell in love with bolts or I think I heard the very first track on the album. The slaves of Darkness album and I just got turned But but yeah, that's an absolute, absolute classic will data from 1989 from ball thrower. I thought, I'd just do that for bit of fun. Every time we do it like a
podcast. We can throw up some nice 90s music through one or more records. Yeah. Because I think now, after having rediscovered ball thrower, it's just been my audit autoplay on on the, on the either on YouTube or through, is it audible? Yeah, I can just paint and listen to that. But if I Never yeah yeah yeah the classic one. So people enjoy that didn't didn't blast your eardrums out but make how you been all right yeah pretty good been working a lot.
So now I've got some time off to catch up on painting. Wilson, what are you doing? Still jane still hybrids and things like that, but I've also been following a video minisode Ed put out on his channel minisodes on YouTube and he's
basically got a second edition Warhammer. 40K box set and he's going through the motions of painting them and doing little videos about it. And one he did was taking the original cardstock terrain and sort of putting it on foam core and then doing it up a bit you know and recommend people watch the video. It's fun. I did little tests sample. Basically gives a more 3D shape to these little cardboard cutouts rain. You get with the old box set so it was good fun to do.
Yes, that is a good point because I think he's just joined that this court recently. Yep, we should give him a good shout out because yeah, like he's very first video. Was Bloody outstanding mate with them. Yeah. Really enjoy that. Good good. Good video to watch very easy to follow along and clearly tells you what you need Yeah so you're doing the same kind of trick what he was doing.
Basically reinforcing your car, stop buildings from second division 40K with some nice phone call to bolt them out a bit and add some extra details and that kind of thing is actually more buildings. Yeah, yeah and mine are pretty old. So you basically end up sealing them and it'll probably guard them a bit against wear and tear over time even more. So like, you know, These are pretty ancient pieces of cardboard, I'm using.
Yeah, I've actually saw someone on the second edition 40K Facebook group, who had a new set of those cars or buildings and actually framed it in a picture frame to hang on the wall. Which is quite funny. It's funny. But like I get it, you know? Like yeah, I mean it's funny. I had some funny strange. But like funny Ha-Ha yeah. Like if I had some now that I've seen that, I'd be tempted to do it. So that's on the year. Minisodes is the YouTube
channel. I will put a link in the show notes for that, so go and support him and his endeavours to make some really good high-quality content on YouTube, which is always nice to see. And hopefully, that whole project that he's doing, will continue into new videos and he can build a whole library of classic second edition. Maybe what am? I don't know. But it looks like on the right track. And he's got some skills. They're so good luck to him, so, it's excellent. So what else?
Yeah, what else is on the agenda make from news, look, I got to play a game of Warhammer quests in the remote gaming Channels with Chris and yourself. And Tim, and that was really fun. And I've got to say, like, I Echo what other people in the Discord group say. I've never really survived a quest of Warhammer Quest before. It's Oh God, but this time we did like a little intro game and I actually survived, and it's a hard game.
It's really fun to play together in a group especially with like the remote gaming, especially when someone who's hosting it. Has lovely painted Miniatures. So yeah, it's good fun man. Yeah, I had fun to me. It was really my really first proper game of one request and we had like it's kind of like an introduction type of scenario. Like basically Chris put host of the game. He said, look you know, will plates Adventure? You do you take the dwarf-like?
I chose a dwarf and that we had table salt, which is Timothy. He took the elf and you took the Barbarian and Chris too. The wizard because this easy to manage because you have like the magic cards of that kind of thing. Yeah, but yeah, - it's awesome being a Cooperative game in that you don't need a GM. It's awesome that you have all the dungeon generated in a monster generated through cards.
I really like that. So I had a lot of good things going for it, I mean, really glad to have the opportunity to play it. And I want to say thank Chris again for hosting it. So, we'll hopefully have more Adventures. Soon in the future and a proper campaign, so we get to choose. Maybe some of the characters that came out through the Character Pack system. So you had like, the Pips, The Pit Fighter, the trolls fell or
the yeah. I mean, I think we should maybe draw, maybe maybe crispy just like draw it. Like just have all those names on it on a bit of paper and put them in a bag or cups on in. Destroy them outside. Okay? You can play this character. When I mean I'm really tempted to play the cows for it because it be just nice that play something chaotic. And sort of evil aligned in a party group rather than all the
good guys. So then you've got an excuse to hold those health potions and not share them. When the else can. That's right here. You can play in character totally absolutely no idea what his special rules are but imagine that he would go something like buzzer corner like somewhat like a chaos Rage or whatever. And you know, he's obviously like the he's like the meat stick, basically got the party and he'll just bash things. Yeah, looks.
We'll have to wait and see if you get the opportunity to play with them. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it looks really good. It's been pretty cool watching Manowar games as well, which I never, when I was a young lad, never got to see in action, and they're pretty fun. Yes, in lot of fun. This, of course, this month is made a woman, which is wrapping up today, because today is the 30th of May bring to the end of our challenge for Manowar.
And if I go to the Manowar section on our disk or group, we've had some really good entries of people. Posting up pics of their models, any any particular standouts for you at all claim effects through this moment? Man, there's been so many like really well painted stuff like on across the farm but manner will wise the it's funny you're going through like Albert has done some really cool 3D printed ships that he modelled himself and painted, they're pretty
cool. Yeah, I really loved your your niggle ships. Fantastic. It's really good seeing Marcel. Up some as well. And as per usual Captain Skyhook, stuff is legendary. It's it's always surprising to see people's kids. Also getting involved and painting stuff and working on terrain. There's been a lot of that lately and I think it sort of ties into young kids really like art and craft like most of them, not all.
But if you can get them making stuff like terrain, you know, like you're putting your kids to work for free. It's great. Yeah. Absolutely me. That was my bleep slave labor. All right yourself like any standout Manowar, stuff that you saw. Yeah. I mean I saw is it? Yeah Captain Skyhawks his ships.
Look absolutely amazing. Yeah. So you know hats off to him I think he sort of winds kind of like in terms of like volume and quality of ships that he painted, I think he certainly comes off as first place. He's also got a nice picture of his looks like a mat or table that he plays on with the cardstock terrain there as well. To show up his pirate Fleet. So yeah. Well, done team mate. I think you did a really great
job. I mean, if we did a really Stellar job in the end, we'll get behind the whole theme of the of the painting Challenge. And we came up with some really nice entries, even if you didn't finish by the 30th, it doesn't matter, just keep going, get your finished, get your ships, painted, like Albert's doing at the moment. There's also a good link on here that people picked up for
printing out your own cars. Because there were, there were different additions to the game, some broke the game, some did There are some really good additions for Manowar, such as the one magic for the Orcs And had like custom cards. You can give to your ships, that which, which are basically like made a war cards and how to put those in color. So BoardGameGeek is a really good resource for that.
So go and check that out. If you're looking to print out your cards for you, man, o war games. So yeah, so long, may that continue. I hope people really get behind many Walkers. It is really game. I had a few, I've hosted a few games myself. Now, a played a game again with With with Paul today and starting a campaign again. So yeah, been a really fun Montalban award really, really
enjoyed it a lot. Just having a look, the Epic space frame section, Bry posted up some really cool terrain that he's been, like, I don't know if he made it himself for it if you just got it. But the tiny little trees, very good to see. Always, I've been on a real terrain kick recently and seeing people making 3D versions of the card Terrain. For Manowar has been really awesome to including yourself. I saw you doing some like, sandbars and islands and stuff. It doesn't matter, warm 8.
So yeah, I did those just from an award makes and 3D terrain because I've only come to come to a billion iced tea D2D terrain. It it's a like cardstock to rain which is perfectly usable form an award, but you want some 3D terrain. So I did that just for our games today and yesterday. So but yeah, mate. It didn't take much like honestly, it's like bare basic kind of materials. It's very minimal, kind of modeling supplies, just getting some pre-made textured paint.
Yep which has like a fine grit to it and just getting some blue foam like insulation foam and the bases are user like a like a hard foam. Styrofoam kind of thing that you can sort of cuts and shape and all that. Which is nice and firm because a nice solid base because I can't cut, I can't get like a jigsaw for MDF and that kind of stuff. So, those kind of things are just out of my reach.
So having that really hard, styrofoam base that I can cut and carve, and that kind of thing, it makes makes a lot easier to make terrain out of But yeah, I'm really into making terrain, it's good. It's good to sit down and do some stuff because at the end of it, you know you're going to use it in your games all the time and it just makes the table a lot better. Awesome. It's good to have a community that you can sort of question and propose what you're going to do and get the feedback.
Yeah, don't forget our terrain section because with the train station here on the, on the Discord terrain Workshop. Yeah. Go and check out those guys working on stuff because Yeah, the come up with some really amazing bits of terrain every now and again and they're quite happy to share their secrets of how they actually got it done in the end. So but anyhow that means we're going to move on to our like an announcement for the giveaway.
We're going to give away a brand-new inbox or scorcher from 2nd edition. So that's right kind of X. How can we win such a wonderful prize? I think the the best way is going to do you're going to do. This is by explaining how, a squatcher for second edition 40K works. And I propose to do that in the orcas where you can and you could make a video or audio file and animation, you could dress up and make a video explaining, you could use some or key looking blueprints, something
like that. And Yeah, try and figure out how to ask what your works. And I think the best way to do it is if the McCoy can explain how Spiritual Works. And whoever impresses the wall boss, best is going to get that item as a reinforcement. Okay, sounds good mate. So yeah just I think it's will give you roughly like two months to work on that project and whoever can explain how a scorcher works in the orcas way possible.
So going to impress Josh, yeah, I will have to work out how we're going to judge it and who's gonna judge it and that kind of thing to pick a winner. But we might, we might bring it to like the top five and then we have it sort of Voted on by the community. I mean that would be nice too but we'll see how we go. But basically it's based its you know, I thought it'd be nice to tied in with our October. So I'm going to draw it in October and then send it out in
that month. So 2 1 happy or play. I hope we hope so yeah, looking forward to doing that. So again, thanks to the wonderful donation by Tom to send that to me, Tom young. So yeah, hopefully goes to the right right person. It really needs it that Not me. That's right. All right, buddy. Anything else that you want to cover this month? That's happened. Last two weeks. Anyway, I think I would coming up to a necromancer month soon. I'm starting to see pictures, pop up of people's painted
gangs. That's a very good point. Yeah. Because because Nana Nana was finishing up this month. So, starting from the first, we will have a neck. Reminder, painting challenge. If you would like to get part of be part of that, just join our Discord and get your models out. You know, take a photograph of your pledge, preferably unpainted models. But if you got like semi paper models, that's fine.
And say, okay, this is what I'm going to paint for this month and get to it and you know, post up your progress picks, you Get some good comments and feedback from other people there and you can, you know, share in end what other people are doing. So that's going to run until the end of June. And yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing what people come up with with their games. So be really cool fun and cool. This and obviously cool to see people actually playing games
with a painted gangs at the end. So are you pledging anything kind of fix for Necromancer move? Yeah. I might work on these two alternative model pit slaves that I got from hybrid Miniatures. So I'll post them up bare metal and see how I go in the next couple of weeks. He's awesome at work. I will look forward to seeing your progress on that and yet keep us posted on what happens with the Necromancer painting challenge.
So guys, were going to wrap it up here and we're going to go into an interview for this, for this podcast, which is with Matthew McLean. Matthew is from the tabletop miniature hobby podcast. I was fortunate enough to or fortunate to be part of his podcast. Few months of going out, talking about his First white dwarf actually, on his podcast. So I really enjoyed that. So, I invited Matthew back on to mind talk about how he got into the hobby. So I hope you guys enjoyed our
chat today. Yeah, it'll be good. Yeah, but other than that make, thanks again, kind of fix for coming to join with us. Mate, to talk about what's been happening in the community. I'll see you on the next one. Definitely mate. Thanks again, and take care. We'll do cheers, man. So how did how did it all start for you there? Like the tabletop mean? It's your hobby podcast, like how did it all begin and the podcast itself or later, you know, my own sort of hobby
stuff. We'll look at do the podcast first and this. Yeah. Head of that all originated and they had all come together originally. Yeah sure sure. So I'm I was I was basically looking at him just different a media, hosting platforms, like different podcast. Person and came across right side Coke which the shows hosted on and thought just test this out, you know, let's do always toyed with the idea doing some sort of Delvin and nostalgic
hobby content. So, I thought, let's just let's just grab a couple interviews with podcasters that I listen to and see what happens. So, I thought, maybe I'll do three or four episodes and just see how it goes, but I really enjoyed it. And just I've just kept doing it and I'm on average getting Episodes out every couple of weeks and idfc, they'll be periods in the future where that might increase in at my decrease based on just life, getting in
the way. But him, yeah, I've had them, Nathan from the board games Orchard. I've had your cell phone and I've had done from pain all the money's on. So I like getting podcasters on because you're more likely to have a decent recording session and yeah, well you think so, but my recording setup is is very, very basic terribly. So But yeah, that's interesting. My all right. So so daily back into the past now and we sort of touched on this.
When I was on your podcast, we looked at your first white dwarf. So, how did you actually initially get into the hobby? Yeah, I think I think it was I was sort of in nine and we were on holiday, do in an England. And we run this shop that dead dim just all sorts of your gifts
and stuff like that. But they had a they had this set ideal combat cards, don't know if you ever had a deck of those and you'll combat cards, it was like and you got a deck and it was the ones I got word Orcs and goblins. So I was totally unaware that, you know what? University came from or what eternally think about that when you're, when you're like small, but I just really like the
aesthetic like to look at them. So managed to talk my mom into buying them for me and then played played about with them for a couple of years. I think.
And then one day because I was looking through them and you seen things like Snot lands and I thought that was really funny really cool at the time and then was an unused agents, A newsagent, sorry, a couple years later and just randomly Chanced Upon Our white dwarf magazine and was flicking through that in the shop and lo and behold and the catalog Pages was a snot
lens. So I put the joined the dots together and thought this is kinda the same thing in it and I could actually buy these like models. So again managed to talk my mom into buying me the magazine not that day. But you know, I have told that enough that we went back and got it and one of them whether you're just came to pouring over the pages of white dwarf. And and I think it was around that time I got The Battle
Masters game. So that was like the the rank of flank but boxed game rather than what Hammer. So I think it was kinda the same ideas heroquest with Games. Workshop at what were? I don't know what was that. Milton Bradley. Was that the community, you know, really that's the one or yeah, sure. Oh a lovely model pose managers and ennui trees and that was great, you know, played that for a few years before. Finally, won one busted manager to get. What hammer? Itself.
And what a my fantasy battles, always get confused with the additions. But I think it was started the one with a Elves and the Goblins fourth edition, mate. Yeah. Fourth edition. Yeah, I always always get mixed up in my bed. My lesson I'll show at me if I have any. Yeah. Got that. And fortunately had a, you know, I'll be going to propose and we all kind of got a net. I can't remember if I was the first or maybe my friend had heroquest and he was came to the
force. But anyway, we were getting together and play. Playing games, not quite properly. But the main thing was we were getting the managers out and just rolling some days and and doing a really bad job of trying to paint them. So yeah. Got really got really and and my childhood and like you hear so many people saying, you know, you get any your teens and specially your late teens and that just kinda drifts away for a way back which happened and
then back an adult life. A couple of years ago just always always had that we thought the Back of my head like maybe, oh, maybe I'll just get back into that. And obviously, I didn't know about him. I didn't know about what hammered been ended and the new games that they had these days. So I just kinda thought it would be the same and the Games Workshop.
But when I had a look in that, I couldn't really I just couldn't get into it. And then when you start looking online, you find that there are actually am communities on going with the old games, your model still there set. That's kind of weird. I've landed and I've got a whole thing like yourself, Josh of no real interest and the modern stuff, no disrespect. Anyone that does by just doesn't do anything for me. So Yeah, my that's fair enough.
Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? Because like, you know, I've always in retrospect. Always look back at the 90s and look at through the catalogs and white dwarves. You see a bunch of young kids in those gamesmanship stores. Don't you like all wiring and all that kind of thing over the demo tables and that kind of thing? But, you know, if I look at something like the Warhammer world event, this was last weekend celebrating the Horus heresy release, and that kind of thing.
The whole, you know, the whole demographics change big time, isn't it? Like there's no young kids in stores. These days, it's all kind of 30s to 40s to 50s, kind of thing. Now, isn't it? I Amina curious about that myself because I've not been in the shops and much effort at all, you know, a couple of times in the past few years. I've never attended by like, a painting or something, but yeah, certainly didn't go in there and see anything I can to the old photos that used to C & white
ball. So you're saying, like just stay put two kids with a, with a ball. Cuts because it was like, 93 or whatever the big baggy at last year's. These are that was definitely my look back in the day. But and I get curious too. I don't know if it's our and I've cleaned it done a lot of stuff on the honored honored podcast like had a lot of
conversations about that. I just don't know if it's a competition with other other than interests and hobbies these days because the attention economy has never been so powerful, the pull of computer games and Line and attractions is never been so powerful. So I don't know if it's that or F that are still those bubbles out there. Em, but Young Folks are really an hour and I've just not come across it, which is entirely possible as well. Yeah, it's really weird. Isn't it?
Because like, you know, I think that now, modern Games Workshop, there ain't a lot of kids in those stores now, mate, I think the basically being sucked up by computer gaming and Games, Workshop is sort of just hanging on with every limb. They can of all the awesome, you know, that The did the generation that was there, back in the 90s and 2000's and that kind of thing and hanging on to them as they're kind of the new customer base. They're sort of targeting.
Now they they maybe got professional jobs, I've got probably a large incomes, may be, they're single and they have a lot of, you know, Expendable cash to spend it all this kind of stuff. Money must be a huge Factor as well. Like I'm deaf, I'm not seeing it was a cheap back in the day, obviously, like, I had many,
huh? Many saw that no argument with my mom and dad but trying to explain to them that for this tiny box of plastic guys you know this is good value because obviously they weren't they were paying for that if it was a birthday or something like that but and you won that. No. You know, if you were a kid going in there that the places that I won, even to even as an adult with Wage comment on you think. Oh, I don't know about that. You know?
I mean I'd be frightened to know how much it would cost to build our an army up for any other games and I'm assuming you're talking well into the hundreds. So again that much that must be a huge Factor, it'd be very easy for him to talk. I carried out of it and just see you know cannot just get ya. You can get like what am I computer games, don't you.
So, maybe they could just see, I'll just get you this computer game instead I'll be better and if the kids not totally bought and at that point, we'll probably be more than happy with that. So yeah, idea of see the places are a big issue too, because a lot of younger for Games Workshop, as is what will come across first.
They won't, they won't know to go online and, you know, start looking at the head, the manager companies that we kinda look at these days or the same kind markets or stuff like that so yeah. Yeah, it's really interesting time. Is it in the hobby? I don't know it in one hand. I can't see exponential growth in terms of younger Generations coming through and you know, you touched on Battle Masters before year, which is, you know, of the
three signature titles. It came out space for Sadie request and Battle Masters. They were a massively commercial successful Games Workshop because not only did it enabled them to To access Miniatures in some kind of board game or like almost like a tabletop simulation like a war game.
But it allowed them to, you know, secretly put in those, you know, little Cal catalogs or those little addresses to say, Hey, you know, send away here to Nottingham in the UK will send you a painting guy and that kind of thing to get their foot in and to recruit all these young players into the hobby. But I just don't see that now. And Really weird it. So I have really weird transition.
I just don't see many young people and I'm talking like you know 16 to 18 year olds getting into wargaming they maybe that's why just my very narrow tunnel vision perspective here. Maybe that's that's the case but I just I just find it's all like 30 to 40 to 50 year olds playing war games now. Yeah, I mean my perspective as to seem unlike you I can't trust that Philly because I'm so like, I know almost nothing about
anything. So I'm just in this tiny back on. I'm sorry, I could be totally wrong, but yeah, in my own experience and which is fairly limited think that, that is the case. And I just always curious and all the, and all the brought heroquest back decently in some form. Or other than that, I wonder what impact that would have a seat if they remade the TV advert, or just put the old one on again, even things like that. You know, people as far as I know, they don't really watch linear TV.
Anymore. So I don't have many people even see television adverts because it's just sort of Netflix and Prime. So, yeah, wouldn't be, it wouldn't be quite the same Journey for them nowadays. I suppose if they wanted to tap into that, but him I think they do make him. Somebody was saying on on my sure that they make some kids books, or something like that Games Workshop. I've never checked that out before but probably true, but that's an interesting angle I
suppose. Yes, it's the same as like it's a, it's a future where it's very unpredictable, especially for a lot of people wanted to, you know, get into like making their own, you know, having starting up their own company or whatever. As to, who their target audience is going to be. Is it going to be like the young kids trying to get them into something? Maybe board games have replaced? It in a lot of ways, I think board games just been massive commercially since Kickstarter
can about you. See, so many kickstarter's coming up with board games? Maybe it's more of a family orientated thing where, you know, the father buys the board games for the for the family. So much choice now, whereas, you know, in our, in our generation, You know, you went to the toy store or the department store and basically what you saw is what you got and that was it, but now it's totally different. Maybe board games are replacing our tabletop or games in a way.
Yeah, it's a good point because like, you see, I think, I think, like you've said, they had portal games are huge and these days, you know, the potentially never been stronger of an industry. And even when you go in a sort of conventional shop, you will see some some really cool stuff. You know, unconventional stuff is not just your monopolies and things like that, like you'll see. So may I got a couple and last year and one of them escaped from the Dark Castle store managers game.
Sex is very similar to the bill fate and fantasy books. So you've got these cool old looking illustrations and you're going through this m dot Castle has to take over says and you're just fighting monsters and things like that. So board games like that, you wonder, you know, if a young person got any that that potentially as I sort of Gateway enter may be getting under the manager stuff as well and then I suppose you could even look at popular culture.
Her like I was never a D&D player. I bought stranger things that the TV show had quite a lot of references to and I wonder again I'd expect at least some people would have gotten it in D through that and by proxy gotten a manager. So we'll take what we can as a poser. Yeah, it's funny.
Is it because like I came through from the here, request generation as many people did in my probably my age group at that time, which included Miniatures. And Would something totally different and completely different to anything I've ever played before and that sort of got the ball rolling as to, wow, you know, there have been issues and you know, these wonderful looking designed in there was this fat, it's fantasy, it's not Monopoly, it's not, you know, all these really common big
commercial kind of games at the time is radically different. And yeah, that got that got In the into or give me as many as men and to Miniatures and painting. And that kind of thing painting miniatures as as many people, I suppose would share that same story. So it's really weird because, like, you know, now we're probably seeing the same kind of thing. Maybe with the he requests, Hasbro release, maybe that will
spark. You know, people into finding more about Miniatures and miniature wargaming it or just tabletop gaming generally? Yeah, it's a funny kind of cycle going through at the moment. Yeah, and again you look back at him, the opportunity for some date again and the 90s or 80s or
whatever. Like, went up one of those, we catalogs, you talked about the Cayman hero Quest, or games like that made enter your house or your bedroom, or your first copy of white dwarf or, you know, any copy of white dwarf. I did those things to the the covers were coming off them, you know, poured over them. Because back then, like the biggest better technology. I had in the house was a commodore. He for hadn't have a access to
the end on that. So you wonder, you know, even if these either of these things you get them at some of these House, the movie only look at them once F at all, because there's infinite possibilities on the internet, you know, for all sorts of entertainment. And so it's a tougher challenge for the hobby I think. But now you'll be interesting to see how that pans over the next few years.
Mmm, yeah, absolutely. So what kind of games are Resting interesting to you or are you interested in at the moment? So, plain about a range of the Shadow deep and baijiu McCulloch who's based on for frost grave. So manager, agnostic and Skirmish game fantasy, Skirmish game and bought me in robot. I've been playing Rangers, a shadow deep because it's a kind of solo / Co-op game. So we decided to start a we campaign on that and that's been
great with. Done a couple episodes on the podcast, just talking about how we go on because we're learning the ropes with it. But Jules game systems that just really good. And I know it's on much over said or overused face but the, the easy to learn hard to master, but I think that really does apply it has stuff. And so we're able to pick up pretty quickly, still meeting the odd mistake. But what to read through a couple of scenarios so far more, just trying to get together to
play the next one. And and then we did our We did a gamer, a song, a bleeds and heroes as well. So I really like that. One is our introductory game as very, very simple, still fun but very simple must apologize, by the way, but my daughter has an honor that this is an ongoing thing million podcast these days. Yeah, she's not happy about some yet again. That's a very good background music.
Very good. But I know actually just play a cassette with that, but in I saw me It's in Heroes as a really good game to pack up, especially if you want to play with somebody who's just never done a manager game before. I think that's a really good introductory game and open combats another, we scan machine my light and so play that a few times. So yeah, I'm quite end of the the smaller scale stuff and I've been tentatively building some armies insects mm because I'm interested in doing like a
scaled-down version. Version, ER, what Hammer is games basically. So just because this year room that you need to like yeah, I know you play a lot of Warhammer fantasy battle structure. You've got a big sex for table set up. Yeah, that'll cook. Yeah. It just squirted it just now Lee. Squeezes into this room and playing in. Yeah, we're did. You actually did you did you make the table over multiple tables? I thought like I did. You manage to buy one of that size.
It's really weird because in Japan, they have The odd sizes for their sheets of MDF. So I had to kind to get like two two big sheets and how ask the guy to cut them into certain sections which he did. So I got a 4x4 out of that, you know, combining two sheets together to two by four sheets and then I felt I had some off cuts which I sort of glued together and sort of managed to get another two by four sheet
together. So it's got its a separate piece, which works well for me because you know, with my room setup it's not No, I haven't got a dedicated space to have like, a 6x4 table. Unfortunately, in Japan, we don't have garages. The garage is kind of, like, one of the things I don't know about the, about the UK but in Australia it's almost like a guaranteed thing.
Like if you move into a house or you went out or whatever it might be, you're always kind of a garage, a single single car garage or double car garage, but in Japan, they just do not exist. If you do have one, you're incredibly rich, or wealthy, or whatever. We're very fortunate. You have enough land space Enough money to build one. So all our Gaming's, done inside inside our rooms and that kind of thing. So I don't have really a big enough space but have your cell
mate. Do you have room to put a big table in where you are? No, definitely not. No bought em up at my work. I've got a decent sized desk and I think it's four foot square so it's not quite the six foot forward foot. So if I go up there with, you know what I wrote before, what planning a plea, I could clear everything and say I've It's not and at least, you know, I don't I don't have to clear out with that night. I am because that fall was scared me.
You know, if I say up and the house and it has to be totally put away that night and thinking, all that said, that's a big task. So I'm always curious like if you had the table set up permanently, would you just leave the today in on it and stuff like that? And then would you maybe just put like a sheet over it to protect it from dust or like how would that I've done it before. And, you know, I've just let it just let it set up.
I didn't put a sheet over the top of it, but my terrain is actually put into it Throne. So separate containers or instead of shelving units. We've got here for my terrain, so if I did have something set up, it would be only for like a couple of days. For example, example, the I wouldn't I wouldn't leave it set up permanent, you know? If it was like that when I had a dedicated room just to have a table set up. Yeah, I'll probably have a
sheep. Keep covering everything to keep the dust and that kind of stuff often. But yeah, I mean, we can only dream currently. Yeah, that's the thing like if you had to the big house and you get the proper room with a huge table and stuff like that. I think that's kind of what attracted me to this x mole scale and just thinking about, like, could, uh, me come talk to put on a recent episode, but could you almost make like a travel Warhammer? You know?
Like, I've got this but this might that's like, 30 inch by I don't know 25 inch or something and I'm like, just need like 12 sec smell regiments. Which basically have the same footprint as a decent size. 28, mm. Skill manager on so you don't need much at all. And I know I know people like that 20 ml and I do too but just to scratch at it. Sure the mice battle I think I think it could be done on a coffee table if you got a sec
smell. So yeah maybe yeah I don't see why not I mean I'm 10 And I would love to actually, I'd like to play a game of Weimar with six mil Miniatures. I enjoy epic as this a scale like six. Yeah. Well anyway, so yeah. You know, I played a lot of that in 40K with epic, so I'd love to
see it in whammer. That'd be great, but I saw some guy on the old Hammer Community doing something very similar But I think he was using quite, don't go away from here, but maybe 10 min, or 15 mil, but he was actually basing individually basing each miniature and then basically. Yeah, but doing the very, very similar thing playing.
Third Edition will Hammer but scale down into like a 10 or 10 or 15 Mill, scale war game, having movement trays and that kind of thing or everything in do individually based and it seemed like a really cool idea. I like that. I like sort of shrinking things down and I suppose we're in two minutes as we like small things. Anyway, I'm always attracted to something that's really small and find it very interesting. But yes, I Rebellion against the skill.
Keep it like, nice. Get let's go smaller and they're like, no work. You know, in 10 years this manager is going to be bigger than you. This is maybe it is. But you know, for my eyes I think the bigger the better basically because for painting and that kind of thing. Yeah. I Quite a large model to work with the smaller stuff is really hard to to sort of pick out the details and that kind of thing.
So I'm very less fussy about those those girls but on the opposite Spectrum with regards to time and you know I can knock out a 6 mil in a unit of or Detachment or something like that in a couple of hours. You know, the main like it's really easy just to knock out a whole Army out in the weekend. If we're a weak-kneed Be so I like that aspect to it as well. Yeah, I'm with it. This x function offers. Well, it's more them. It's more.
The look of the army. Isn't that than the look of the single manager on the the BBS like, look T cubed talk would be scrutinizing. The the miniature one of the managers itself is more like how does this add me look on the table when it's all put down. Yeah, I think you know for like 40 K, you know, like second edition.
I never played a lot of Back in the 90s but the Epic I played a lot of and I really loved it because of that you know that that's the the scope of scale you get when you look down and see all these little Miniatures lined up, there's something about that that scale that really interest me and yeah, just captivated me for so long. Yeah and with a great rule set to accompany it as well at Pro makes a big difference but yeah I'd love to see what have a played on a much smaller scale.
I was actually hoping they'll going to do that with the the new old world war hammer game. I was really really hoping they're going to bring them in the air, like a tiny scale, like six or ten Mill. I'll be really Keen to see what that would be like, but unfortunately, they're going to go back to 28 Mill, which Yang and quotation marks 20 ml. Yeah. I mean, it makes makes sense. I mean, you know, they're a miniature company. They're going to sell bucketloads of miniatures.
With the with the game systems at that, you know, that doesn't surprise me, but yeah, Walmart is a good alternative to that you've got. I sort of dabble that dabbled in that one about that in the year 2000. When it first came out, did you ever play War Master? No. No I was kinda where the time saw a. It's all our game. I've had the boot retrospectively. Yeah. But was that sex or 10? Well that's actually 1516. Yeah yeah, I don't know. What a funny scalar, the Piston, the life.
I think they make something really unique or a scale, bro. Unique, I don't know whether they started with 50 ml and other companies did 15 me laughter. I'm not really sure what I know about the history of that, but I always assumed it went from six mil to 10 mil 228 Mill and then they thought, oh, well Bagram will do 15 mil just a screw everybody over because maybe 50 ml was not a fake favored scale
at that time, but I don't know. I'm just guessing that it's like Here making their own, like they said. Oh yeah, wardrobe. But it's got like a tool in it that you've never seen before. Like, nobody owns. Like that's just. That's right. 8:45. Good together. Yeah. Stanley put it together with India. As far as I know, I don't build the furniture noise much better. I just think what we in have a cup of tea. But yeah, War Master. Yeah, try Walmart because I reckon you can play at any scale.
I don't think it's I don't think it's, you know, solely a 15 mil game you can wait in 28 Mill. Using wore masks rules. You can play them, 6 ml, 10 mL, whatever. Yeah we should knock that around that, let's have a look at that. You probably find a real cheap copy somewhere on you know, second hand market. And that's all you need to get started. I think it was just basically just one rule book that was it. So enjoy the array of enjoyed your M. Epic space, meaning episodes
because that was another box. I went on to own when I was three and it was one of those packages that made you feel like you are, you were really rich because of the amount of trips on it. So that you're used to not having many managers and I was really wasteful with it. This stuff in it, like again, never played it properly, used to sit the cardboard buildings up and just sort of Passover.
Out Weaver. But I was really wasteful with the managers because it seemed like I had so much of them. So I used to make these rubbish little dioramas and stuff and you know, gluing them and they're like little bits of scenery and just because it felt like you had loads of stuff and what she did, that was just tiny.
So, Yeah my nose the best set and week pussy went on to say that, you know it was the it was the like the blueprint like basically this set basically this box set was the predecessor for all the other box sets that came after it. Because you know, had all the Miniatures in it, had this scenery in it and all that kind of thing all in one box which became so successful that they said, okay, we'll do that for him. I'll do it for 40 K and and so
on and so forth. So we've got we've got epic to thank for that. Epic Space Marine second edition. Because if I remember correctly to em, they had like spaceman in zorks and Elder, and the Box. Whoa! Hello weird. Like to put three different armies and I don't know what love. Do you know what the reason was for that? Probably because they had, I think they already had the Miniatures made for the first
edition Space Marine. the first edition space main had just Space Marines in it and rhinos, And land writers although I'm not expert. I've never played the first edition space me, but I'd imagine they had those models already made and caught up in that kind of thing. And then later they introduced rules for Elder and aux and that kind of thing for this first edition Space Marine. So they had all that they had all the that all the models made
and tooled up everything. So they probably thought. Okay well, but so many of these sprues we'll just going to Chuck them in the box. So people have a choice of three different armies. They can try them out and play them, you know, with their friends or whatever. And then they've got the ideal starting basis for the collection. And that's how we looked at it,
too. Because I think I took the Marines and my friend, Chris, you took the Elder and the Orcs, And then we just bought the at that time. You could buy an entire, like, off orc Battle Force. I think was called in the, the, we're all called. I think was and Space Marines have their own sort of Box and that kind of thing. You just bought so many villages
in one box, it was just amazing. So we really latched onto Space Marine because it was the cheapest way to get into playing wargaming and yeah, we never regretted it because I think it's still one of the best games ever made. Yeah, not much more accurate depiction of that, what all these? You imagine though that universes you imagined it like when you saw the other stations and white dwarf of for here, whatever it was it was massive
like my Massive scale. And obviously when you do it and 28 has just asked and mash like still still great, but you can't deny, it's just a skirmish. Whereas, if you're going epics be spending, you really can do that like, massive scale, Titans walking about skyscrapers and just hundreds and hundreds of troops as well. So, Yeah, that's that's that's exactly right. Because yeah, 40K off at that wonderful 28 Mill, Skirmish simulation.
If you like, which you didn't really need a lot of Miniatures for, I think, for Road trailer and for a second edition, which is good. It's one of the one of the bonuses about that. But epic epic. You look at one of the John Blanche illustrations as
black-and-white drawings. He did in a lot of those epic Space Marine or other white dwarf, Publications that he made, you know, he really, you know, made these kind of scenes that felt epic and in a sense you still, there's the massive scale with the Titans and the background and and the the troops, the Marines or Elder whatever might be in the foreground and it brought this Massive battle, scaled illustration, and sort of Imaging in, you know, in your
mind. And you could really play that out with playing Epic. You probably couldn't get that sort of sense with 40K and all the sort of modern iterations of Apocalypse or all those kind of large-scale. Titans just doesn't really look the same. I was talking to somebody else about that as well through the week. You know, all those Twenty Eight mil, scaled Titans and that kind of thing for the modern 40K.
Okay, it doesn't really weird on a 6x4 table, you know, almost need like a 20 foot by 10 foot table to make it better. You know what I mean? Or plate on the floor outside in the garden or whatever? Yeah, it doesn't even know that, that damn you'd be almost you feel most better just dressing up as Italian yourself stomping about him. I like that idea cosplay and I think they call them cosplaying as a, that's a Titan and I've just accidentally stood on your you. Yeah. That's um. Yeah.
When you know and I think fantasy could be used in the same sense, you can get that grand scale of commanding a huge Army on the tabletop just by reducing the scale and deep, do you come across? Companies are making stuff for epic space meeting like sort of modern style stuff for stuff that they're still producing, like, unofficial managers if you like. Yeah. There are a couple of companies quite Miss ones.
Vanguard Miniatures is one and they produce a lot of six mil stuff, based on Space Marine epic. So the names will be different, but obviously if you look at the models themselves, that they're clearly based on the early 2nd edition designed and that kind of thing. It says, Vanguard, I can't think of the other name. Sorry. And I have to put in the show notes for people because they'll know those be Amazing. I bloody idiot. You should know these ones.
But yeah, there's two main ones I think that operated out of the UK and they make resin models and they base it. You know, they've extended the range is from Second Edition all the way through to 40K. Like you've got sisters a battle, you've got you know, dear, I said necrons and the what's the other one's called awful-looking alien things? Collagen still have standards. That address is a great.
I like those ones called again, little hoax little like aliens because you got the necrons which are like the, you know, that the T100 Terminators and then we had the other guys who look like they're out of space, like they'll look like Japanese kind of aesthetic by their toe, that's it. How thank you. I was called a sort of modern iterations in that will sort of, you know, put into 40K integrated into 40K. They've got those designs now and ethics been around for a very long time.
So it's been through, you know, epic 40K and under again. So they've tried of expanded the range to Encompass all those systems and all the different races are take up 40K as well. So yeah. Make you know you're probably living in the best time now to get all your epic stuff from you know various manufacturers whether they be in resin or metal and all the different kinds of armies you can get Yes, yes, maybe no need that back end of that at some point in the
future. Once I once I complete my current goals because at that again, there's so many good companies out there, doing really good to like, new new old stuff. If you like, like I've heard you mention, Nate made a lot and I really liked them too. I think I've spent a fortune there over the last couple of years and DieHard. There's another company of bought from a lot ACP models, meddling, man. Teachers think these are all uk-based and other world
managers, I think as well. They've got an exceptional range. So if you go on any of the apologize to anyone, I've just cost them a fortune because any other words it's a it's one of those suddenly you've dropped like 80 pounds on a on a couple of things or apologies in advance for anyone else just it, that's better wages by pulling those out of their wallet, right? That's that's what you're doing, but that's why as My dog just constantly cries cause she's got.
No one hands of it. I've just got lured to on painted Miniatures but you're totally useless to her. Yeah, but yeah. Hopefully, one day might she be playing games with you? That's for sure. That'd be good. I will hopefully. Yeah, we'll start. We'll start with a, we'll start with the old song of leads and Euros, Nathan accessible, and then maybe I better Shadow deep and about a frost grave. And well, what could we up? Will end up with a big big sex
by Ford? A table covered with screaming. It had a now. So she must have proven her. She she she obviously he owes me not having any of that you loser, but we're going to take a quick break because as Zoom is running out of time here, but have a quick Refreshments are check on your daughter and we're back in just a little bit. Well, that was that talk about, so we talk about epic. So that's that's a good. That's a good scale. The to venturing to, especially for people who don't have a lot
of money. Right? Because, you know, it's expensive, especially if you need, if you want to start collecting stuff from the 90s. I mean, make our Scopes like cats. I saw you want your profile picture on your podcast is a cast or plastic hausdorff, how many of those? I mean, shamefully, I The that from my three-year-old, nephew.
When my when my brother when me and my brother were younger my brother's a he had some chaos dwarfs, it had the same thought as well which is sadly gone missing somewhere broken the pieces and but I will say, I was over at my mom and dad's one day. So I'm sitting on the road Grandma my nephew's got this whole box of Lego that used to be my brothers and days just pulling bits and pieces out my plane and he pulls this it more I will pose chaos dwarf.
Oh, I'm like cool. Oh, well, I'll just look after that. And it's like that in my pocket. So I had to go home and pin it up and so, yes, stole it from a three-year-old child, that's a makes makes me, it makes me not very proud. But you know, I like to think of him but about a pin on it and they give it a better theme on the front of the podcast. So what you do is give a bag you can get back. Yeah, and watch him destroy it. You could get one of my quest or Talisman.
I think Talisman had a carrot, yeah, character. Now I I've got I've got a cool chaos towards that I bought from one of the companies I mentioned. Okay, may have been may have been CP models I got from so little two-headed sort of chaos tour, tough guy. But when you put them next to the model pose cast, while you guys are actually beg like for being Wolf's essentially like they are quite are quite tall models and find so and they're
very bulky as well. It's almost like little balls on me. Yeah, balls of love if you want one of those armies but you might you're going to be paying through the, through the through teeth, basically. Yeah, my brother, my brother had sweet, had a box, a box. A monopole is chaos towards. He had the book and so the Army's boot click, ok. If I remember correctly, it was like a yellow cover and the guy on the it was I centered, wasn't it? A flying bull, Centaur.
Is that right? Yeah, that's right. Campion. And he had he had that as well. That was one of them is well I said Tom because he few years younger than me. So I said at the time a term f a penis for ya, it might look a bit better so you let me think that. So I came to track something. I used to do that on the Mega Drive.
You know, if you let me do this level for the Army, do a better job, And so if you feel for things like that, back in the day, so I got to paint the center, another member of been really satisfying to paint because it was just a bag. You know, what's a raid on the skin and stuff like that? I was doing a basic childlike level. But satisfying, it's a classic Model at me.
Like, I should go to pay one of those to actually call somebody as a commissioner was really good, really, really enjoyable to paint that actually. So they've gone for a fortune these days. I take it right there. Just yeah, cuz cuz I'm sorry. Because people did really like the cast was back then they weren't a very popular Army. So surplus of Miniatures much lower in comparison to all the other armies. Yeah, so that said if you're lucky if you really want them Yeah.
It prepared be prepared to pay a lot of money for it, but if you can find them in like any big army lot or whatever. But yeah, if you've got if you got one, if you are actually holding on to one day, hold on to it because it's probably worth an absolute fortune in the future. So yeah, but all the all otherwise you can just find an alternative 10 for six mil or 15 mil cows to a fiber. Which there are there's 3D printing options out there, which are amazing. What's it called again?
What's a company called again? There's a company out there who do a really good range of think that 15 mil minute shoes for 3D printing and actually print them out for you as well. I think the called, excellent Miniatures, but I'll leave a note. I'll leave a link in the show notes. Anyway, someone got me onto those throughout this called, and I've checked them out and they look pretty cool because they've got the same aesthetic
as the night. TS basically all the same style so that basically the same Miniatures, just been, you know, there's reduced down and shrunk down into 10 or 15 mil. And yell after Jay though that said both have and haven't to check that out because if I do could be financially disasters, well, the good thing about it is they actually have a printing service is great because half the problem with the printing thing is that I don't have a printer and I don't really want
to get one for a couple reasons. But yeah, it's just nice to have some service where they'll say, yeah, you can get these prints and we'll print them and we'll send it to you. And yeah. I think it's a really great idea. So I've seen a lot of that one. It's because I bought him something. They don't actually last year on the I know there's obviously 3D printed, but again, I'm always am dubious as to whether the
images. You see represent what you're actually going to get ended and the package. But it looks, it looks amazing. Like a lot of the stuff that people are doing and I could just imagine like if you owned one of these Planters you just you get drunk one night and just print like 40,000. Things. And then wake up the next morning. I don't know. You probably wouldn't wake up because you'd be poisoned with the fumes but just creating more and more work for yourself so he'd have to have good
discipline. I suppose a few and one of the things. Yeah, like well what about the other day? Like, you know, putting out arms and backpacks for Marines, you because you're only going to secondary Market, you buy all these models, but they don't have the arms and backpacks and stuff. Yeah. So, you know, Putting all those out is just ideal mean. People are actually, you know, making those replicating, the same models, or scanning them in
or whatever. Yeah. That, that is a resource is just invaluable. So I totally Embrace that kind of part of the 3D printing world. I think that's excellent for things like you know, you your stuff that you're buying. Now for all those old Miniatures that maybe having you know, difficulties finding parts and that kind of stuff. You can print them out. That's really invaluable.
Things like the Manowar, sail the masts and that kind of thing where you can get the ships but you won't get the masts. So you need us and you didn't bring them out things like At 11:00 battle wagon. You know, don't spend 300 pounds on eBay to get one you can print one out it's been scanned, you know, those kind of things they're plastic kits anyway, so that you're basically getting the same almost the same thing
just being printed out in resin. Hey, I found myself mainly or almost always buying me all these days because I just can't be bothered with the plastic cats. Like at least back in the 90s. Like when you open the box, the miniature itself was in sort of One Piece like you maybe have to glue a shield on on that. Yeah I am but I got a what was that? I got. It was just like covid hat and have everything was a bit to
lock down. And I thought, let me just let me just buy a couple of boxes to paint whilst all this blows over. So I Actually ordered modern Games Workshop stuff. I got him necrons which you'll love me forever. And but you like you like the fact I hated them so much are sold them like a week later. They were just absolutely torturous to put together, nothing food as well. And I've got the kiosk mode orders, which I think that older managers.
I mean, when I say all that, I think there may be 20 years old a lot, but they're still on the go and and they're all right, but I Just putting every our morning like you know every head and I know that you could get cool unique poses and stuff, but I just find out about our dress. So I like I like just stem weapon around. Our male model will fail and tidying it up and stick it on a base.
And that's me halfway there. So I much prefer that and I think you get better-looking managers in the mail as well. So, maybe you're a man after my own heart, I feel totally 100 percent because I like, you know, I did Infinity for a long time and then Multi-part minutes is just drive me. Absolutely Bonkers me. I can't I hate I hate doing it.
I just hate doing them now. And just that feeling of you know when I first got my set of Buckman Miniatures, bug and dwarf Miniatures, hang them all in one piece and I just you know like you say this fire around the edges, take that mold line, put them on the base, spray them, pay them. And, you know, do you need to attach as a shield and Just the feeling of painting those minute juices. Gives me such incredible Joy, much much more than having to
paint any of the modern stuff. Mmm-hmm, something we send out those old Miniatures, that has such great character that they just can't capture that in plastic eye and that I find them quite again. Bro, your models and new ones, but I find them too busy. And you look at our regiment, you know, whatever it might be swordsman of night. So Dana's like All the neurons thing.
And, you know, that's just so much going on and I did it doesn't doesn't please my. And as much as when you're just staying at m30, high elf salt in the same sphere and the same Shield stayed in the same way, I just like that, I static. And again, it's very accessible as well. If you want to build units and grab a box, put the guys together and on the same day and have them under cord. But now Oh, it's just old and I'm such a huge, huge task. It's enough to put me off them. Yeah, Mike.
I totally totally sympathize you with the opens. I've got some other condition to do for some either Sigma stuff and yeah putting together is not fun fun. Indeed, so yeah, but that's just the way things are. I mean, I'll see him the other day, I'm sure. There's there's generations of Gamers who got in through Games Workshop or whatever, but never never had a middle manager who have never seen one and there early.
The first contact with Miniatures have been plastic Miniatures. Multi-part Miniatures that had to put together so that's just a generational thing. Yeah, and you know looking at the stuff they're doing now for Horus heresy now it Games Workshop really nice-looking miniatures. Almighty multi-part Plastics. But, you know, that's just the that's, that's just the time we're living in, you know, we've had the luxury of having all that. All those LED models back in the
day. It's a totally different industry. Now, I suppose that the one positive in the Plastics, is, I'm pretty clumsy like attempt to knock stuff over night and the Plastics, very forgiving like a, you'd be doing well, with chips of paint, awesome. But like it sometimes with the male models, it's like I've just I've just touched it the wrong way and suddenly there's a bit male shining through, I'm gonna have to go and repaint that.
So, again, that's just a mixture of my clumsiness and lack of ability at actually painting this thing properly in First place. But I do get the fear when I'm putting a lot of meals on the table, just to see what happens to them. It's a funny thing, isn't it? Because, you know, like you get sort of snobby about things because, you know, like, for one of my fantasy.
Yeah, that's we all metal, even though I've got some plastic models in there, of course, my cabinets and stuff, but as we all met older than epic, it's all plastic. You know, it's like 9, it's like 95% plastic and 5% metal That's a good point. Yeah, goes in your head, I don't know what it is. It's obviously, a very psychological thing, but there's something about it, you know, that, you know, certain things fit in certain holes, if I can put it that way. Yeah, let's play dead.
But I was just going to say this XML stuff that I've got. It is very hard to clean up, like it's male. So it's little strips of Miniatures. It's, It's tricky to clean it up, so I I think that skill lends itself to plastic, again, always the caveat that I know almost nothing, but making a miniature other whatever. But it seems to me like that skill lends itself. Well, the plastic, but if you're going bigger than that M. I like the mail just for the Simplicity and the heft.
Yeah. I feel like there's actually something on the table. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's a really neat thing, isn't it? Like but then we can give a task to plastic Miniatures to so it's really strange thing. Know what it is. It's just in our nature. I guess. I don't know as Gamers or collectors. Yeah. So we can appreciate many
different things. I can appreciate epic Miniatures. People think I'm nuts because I think, well, what's really all that fantastic about them, they're very, very simple models that I can really appreciate those but I can appreciate a jazz Goodwin skaven mobile, for example, or Alan Alan Perry, or Ali Morrison. Dwarf or impaired Empire model. So in the same way. Yeah. But I don't know any, I'm late. It's been really fun talking to you. I really enjoyed it. Thank you very much again.
Matthew for coming on and talking with me today, mate. Yeah, thanks very much Josh. I appreciate the opportunity. Like I said at the start, by planning your shoe lesson to every episode and the other good accompaniment to my opinion. So I keep up the good work as a great podcast.
But likewise, but I've enjoyed listening to your podcast ever since I found out about it and I'll leave links in the show notes for people go and check it out because you should go and check it out what Matthews doing there with Robert, and what they're doing on the table to Miniatures, hobby podcast, as bedroom Battlefield, isn't it? Yeah, bedroom, Battlefield, stock Commerce website in your tabletop manager, hobby podcast,
the most boring podcasting fast. It's a wonder You always forget to you always get to know what your podcast Seibel is so boring. So boring, I can't even remember. Yeah probably and I let's say let's get together on my podcast and we will have another we chat. Yeah that'd be great I will inform look forward to that anytime a girl. Thanks again. Josh okay their followers might take care. See ya.