Different Techniques to Catch Spring Crappie

What's up guys? Brad Chapel back with you. We're at the Grizzly Jig Show, spring 2024, and I've got two sticks with me, and I mean heavyweight. Literally that put thousands of crappie in the boat every year. But we're gonna concentrate this morning and talk about some technique

to help you catch more crappie in the springtime. And I've got b the best of both worlds here in my mind. I've got a Alabama guy here and I've got a Mississippi guy here that are really good guys that put a lot of fish in the boat. But Kagle, I'll kick it off with you real quick. Do a little introduction and uh we'll we'll kinda go through here and let Patrick do a introduction as well. I'm Eric Cagle. I'm I'm from Tallasea, Alabama. Um full time crappy guide. That's all I can tell you.

A little bit more than that. Fished a bunch of terms done really well in those through the years as well and Just got how many days a year? Um you usually you know uh it's it's varied two two fifty to two eighty somewhere. And I'm Patrick Stone. I'm from Grenada, Mississippi, full time crappie guide, I guess for seven or eight years and Depending on the weather where I'm at'cause it can shut you down for weeks at a time, but um two f two fifty ish Yeah, a lot.

A whole lot of time on the On the water a lot of days.

I know Patrick he's fished tournaments in in the very beginning of old school crappie fishing to say and got it even I think probably part time back then. I I've been guiding part time since I was in college. Yeah, twenty years. But you know, I think about these guys and like I said I think of suspended fish and structure fish. And I wanna kinda go through a technique that I I never really did beforehand, or really either one of these.

Um but casting for crappie in the springtime, Eric, kinda tell us how you go about catching some of these fish doing that. We had a they had a seminar yesterday that was really interesting. I was listening to to Whitey Outlaw talk about uh Santi Cooper and and the water temps and stuff when those fish go up. You know, they got a lot of black fish there too. Yeah. Um I look for Whitey was saying yesterday fifty five to sixty five when the males go in and

I I'm around I'm a in my mind around sixty degrees. When when that water hits sixty I think there's some males that that start to go up. But, you know, I I'm just gonna be, you know, point blank honesty. I've said this before but I'm not a a bank fisherman. I I'm not I'm not a spawn bank fisherman. I I catch'em before they go up there and I catch'em when they come back out. I I I don't What do you mean by that?

So, you know, a lot of people wait for the spring'cause they want to go throw a cork a foot deep to the bank. I I don't I don't do that because it doesn't i it's it's unpredictable. So when I'm guiding I have to to go with the more predictable route and those fish some of those fish that are staged up out there to go in and spawn, that's the ones I stick with. And then when they go in and spawn or come back out, you know, you can catch'em again. But uh

I I don't I don't go to two and three foot of water to try to find those fish spawning. I just I've never been a a bank spawn fisherman. I just like I said, I catch'em, you know, before they go in and when they come back out. So

Um and it can be a lot of fun. I have found them before, you know, and if you find them while they're up there spawning, uh you bout can't do anything wrong. I mean, you can catch as many as you want, but uh a a few years ago, I I think I talk I talked to you on the phone about this, Brad, but a few years ago I always thought that those fish those black fish went in and staged on structure and then they they ran up to spawn.

But uh I was following a school of fish on Lake Jordan, uh, I think three years ago and uh it was it was about perfect time and I followed that school of fish to the grass where they were spawning at. They they went in there. I just happened to be following that school. Crazy. And I always thought, you know,

in my mind I always thought like h how do these fish know to go to that same spot? Well then when I saw that it kinda clicked to me. Those males go in there and and and brush out a bed or whatever and and and get it prepared. those that school of fish uh w with females, I had caught some of'em out there, they go in together. That's why when you find'em in the spring, when you find'em on a piece of brush or a grass bed, that's why there's so many of'em, because they go in there in a big school.

And it it's so funny because what he just said, I've seen the same thing at Grenada with white fish except it's one and two fish. You know, is I'm I've seen and you know, I've been looking at a n a big female that I'm supposed to try to catch. Push it her.

kinda nudge her and then they you know they swim in together. You know, he's already been in, made a bed, he went out and found his female and pushed me in. Same thing except his fish are schooled up. Mine's a single, you know, but I've seen the exact same thing. It's it's pretty cool what what we've what we've learned with with that forward facing sonar, you know, just watching those. Oh it's unbelievable for sure. How do you target'em, these black fish? How are you catching them?

I'm ca I'm s I'm still casting I'm still casting to'em. Uh right now at at in in Alabama, our blackfish are are s are s are schooled up. Uh you can you know, you can get in a creek channel. Um anywhere you can find Chad up there right now there there's gonna be some crappy and you know, you'll catch a lot of singles and doubles too. They'll be out there just scattered. But um when our water's clear and and it's not muddy, you know, we haven't had a lot of rain

Those fish will school up. Sometimes you can find a school of 200. A lot of times it scooes are 15 to 20. And I sit back about 40 feet and I let my guys cast, you know, a jig and just swim it over the top of them. And we try to get those active fish to run out and hit the bait.

And uh once they cast three or four times without a bite, we leave'em alone because in twenty minutes you can circle back around to'em and catch them more. So we don't stay on the school long. We just kinda ease along and I scan out a I mean, I scan out a couple of hundred feet. and find a school and we go to'em and I let them cast on'em and just basically slow rolling a jig above the school, getting those fish to come out and and smack it. Black crappie seemed to me just the most finicky

following fish, they like to follow and they like to turn around a lot of times and I mean th th they could be a pain in the you know what. But um Tell us about the size and profiles and some of those key things for you in in the spawn to catch those fish when they're they're getting out there in that open water, especially these black fish. There's a lot of tricks to it, Eric.

Yeah, th there is, you know, and I and I'll I'll I'll spill a little bit here as far as I I I was always good at at making a few of those fish bite that followed it that really didn't want to eat it. Uh you know, and you know, at the end of the day you know, just point blank honest, it comes down to speed. Yeah. When you're watching when I'm watching that fish

I know when to slow down and when to speed up the jig to keep just to keep his attention coming at that jig. Every now and then if he's slowing down, I think he's losing interest. I'll slow down to keep that jig where he can see it. But you know, and you're not gonna catch a I mean, uh y'all know that well as I do. You there's a ton of'em that are not gonna eat no matter what you do, but the w the ones that that that you can get to eat

In my in my opinion, it comes down to to the speed. Uh, you know, if you're taking it away from that fish, you gotta know when to slow down and when to speed up and and that just comes with sitting there watching'em. I mean, you watch'em every day and and you figure out their, you know, their behaviors and And uh you just kinda get good at it knowing when to slow down and when to speed up.

I'm I'm not a black fish expert by any means, but it seems like you know, for m for me The blackfish you get a lot more bites that you don't know you you got. You know, it I've I've seen it to where You know, a fish runs up there and it looked like he might ate it but you didn't feel nothing. If you set the hook he's there. You know. Where a a white fish most of the time, you know, when he hits it you're gonna for sure feel it. You know.

But but those those blackfish, you know, being finicky, I guess you'd say, a lot of times they'll be biting it and you not know they bit it. And that and that's that's why w when you know on some of these video we do some YouTube videos and stuff, but when you see when you watch Patrick well Patrick does it uh now I mean as much as anybody, but when you watch us fish with a casting rod, if if if me or him are fishing, you'll see us shaking our rod a little bit.

And and that I don't know when I started doing that. I mean I guess just I don't know. I told Patrick that you know, we first started fishing together. But it's it's to feel pressure. It's it's It's not really n to move you don't really want to move and wiggle the d the jig. It's it's more to to to feel feel a little pressure on it and you know you you know you gotta bite because you a lot of them you don't feel

Yeah, if if it cha you know, you when you're shaking that line it's a pressure deal. If if you can barely feel w whatever weight jig you have, and those those he's right, those blackfish bite so lightly If if anything changes, if if if it gets lighter, if it gets heavier, you set the hook. I mean that's that's pretty much it. You know, sometimes he's not there, but a lot of times he will be.

Well, I've like I tell'em a lot of my clients and I see the same thing and I'm like, Set the hook and they're like, Well, I don't feel anything. Yeah. You've got to trust what your eyes are telling you. I I have that conversation before the day ever starts. If I say he's got it, just said it. Just said it.

It's kinda like baseball. You'll never hit a ball out of the park if you don't swing on it. That's right. And it's kinda like the scrappy fishing now with live sonar. Beforehand you always waited on the field. Yeah. You had to. You had to wait on the fill of it because I mean it wasn't no other thing to do. But now with live sonar, casting open water fish.

A lot of times you won't see these bites and I thought it was real interesting what you said about you know as a fish slows down you slowing it down as well. And same goes if you see that start that fish start taking up really fast Yeah, speed up. Speed up. Yeah. Make him want it even more. Make them Yeah. It's all about that chase and They're predators at the end of the day, whether they're finicky or not. Yeah. They're not gonna hit that bait just for the fun of it. They're hungry.

And to to to go back and mean all three of us sitting here are guys and and uh y'all already know what I'm talking about and I know what you're talking about, but you know, when the when you tell'em to set the hook, you know, they better not let it happen twice or I'm gonna be mad. I can imagine this. Did not tell you to hit the When you say hit him or set the hook.

I well, you know, I've changed up a little bit the I've changed up a little bit the way I guide now. I I you know, I used to if the wind's blowing I still have to sit there beside'em but and work to troll'em with my foot, but I'll stand behind those guys now with a remote and uh I I found out especially especially brush bow fishing, I do a l a little tap system.

I watch their line. Yeah. And and I can tell every time they get a bite, I can tell by watching their line. That's how I fish. I watch my line. But uh I sit there and tap'em. I mean if if I tap you, it means real real stop. Set the hook. That's it. Reel, stop, set the hook. That's it. I mean that's that's I that's pretty much how I and and when I'm standing behind them

I can see their line and their rod tip a lot better than when I'm sitting beside'em. For sure. You know, when you're standing when you're elevated behind'em, you you can uh it gives me a better view of their of their line. And and the more I I told somebody this yesterday The longer that that Patrick and I have been guiding a lot of our a lot of our clients are and yours too, Brad, a lot of our clients are repeat customers.

Uh when they show up now, it's easy because they they're trained. I mean they already know what to do. So we show up and put'em on fish and and they catch'em, you know. But that's nice. It you know, it makes it easier on us. But um but yeah, uh a lot of those A lot of those guys coming back i make my life easy. Yeah. No doubt. When you're talking about casting these springtime crappie, tell us about the the rods that you like to use, the reels And different sizes as far as jig heads and such.

Patrick's gonna get a lot of this stuff. Yeah, I've been using the the cast and he and I use the same thing. Um that's what's d and he'll talk about Grenada but in Alabama I use a six or seven foot rod. Um, if they're really shallow I'll put a cork on there. I mean I'll I'll pitch a cork, you know, for shallow fish but um

the lightest jig head I can get away with'cause that gives me more time to to I can pause it longer. Yeah, I can I can leave it in front of'em longer. So uh six pound high BS K nine's about all I use um for five years now. Uh I I've I personally think it's the best line the the best casting line on the market. Uh not only because it it's it's fluorocarbon and it doesn't have any memory, which is a big deal, my clients, a lot of them don't fish much.

I never hardly have a tangle, I never hardly have a knot. It it's it's easier on me to use that line. And and and I'm you know, I don't get nothing out of uh K nine. I mean uh you know, they're a sponsor of mine but, you know If if if they didn't have good line, I wouldn't I wouldn't use it. I believe it. Yeah, exactly. But anyway, uh That's really true with all all of our sponsors. Oh yeah, there's a reason.

I mean, not not taking anything away from the stuff that we don't use, but if you know we're Confidence. We're confident in it or they wouldn't be our sponsor. Well I I had to you know. years ago I'd have to change my line every three days or so guiding because when you first show up and that client cast out there you don't want you know, you loop, loop, loop. Right. That that you can't do that. I mean they they can barely feel the fish head as it is.

and you know, w with the line being looped that just takes away. But anyway, I use six pound high VSK nine a six or seven foot casting rod and the smallest jig head that I can get away with. I like a mina head. I'm a you know, it's that's what I have confidence in. And uh I u I use which Patrick Grenade Lake type companies come out

They've got minta heads now that I use a lot of in Alabama now too. And I still use some wire hooks, some wire minta heads that that I've been using for years too. But um like just the ninety nine percent of the time a sixteenth ounce jig head. On you know y I know you're tar targeting these mainly black crappie are using a smaller hook compared to a a a Mississippi guy. I know. Yeah. Big hooks.

But that was one of the things that that that he did when we d when he designed those those minta heads. We We t that's what I was telling him he wanted to get into the blackfish market and I said, you know, we just gotta have a smaller hook'cause, you know, on blackfish we use small hooks so the the mena heads with Grenada Lake Tackle Company they're they have a smaller hook in'em than than the you know, the football heads but What sizes are you are you making in those packs?

Uh the one thirty second and the one twenty fourth have a number four hook in them and the one sixteenth's got a number two. Yeah. No, that that's definitely uh something that I'm gonna check out colour wise, what you got in color. Uh all the basics, orange, chartreuse, pink, black, white and red. Good bit. Those black fish in the springtime, uh give us some color ranges that you like to use over there.

And I I'm a I'm a we fish clear water mostly, so I'm I'm a natural colored uh you know, monkey milk or anything gray and black. Um if if it's dark outside a black and chartreuse. Uh Any you know, at certain times and when they're biting anything work, but my my if I had to pick three colors it'd be black and chartreuse monkey milk, gray and black. That's that's pretty much I that's pretty much all we use, uh, every day. So they either bite it or they don't.

Right. Well they bought it for you, I know that already. Patrick, and now we're gonna come to you. Different animals here. Totally different ball game. That's a different creature that you're targeting when we go into the springtime. Right. Pretty much no black crappie at all over there. Yeah, and very few very uh yeah, we're seeing a l a few more at at like Enid than than Granada or whatever, but

Yeah, we're we're not targeting by any means. We're we're chasing the big white crappie and it's muddy. It in the spring, you know, the lakes are just coming up. It's gonna be muddy. So casting's out. So they they can't they can't see it long enough to follow it and chase it. So you uh you know it's it's long rod fishing, you know, you're just trying to hold that bait in front of the fish. Um and and what he said, I don't I don't really target those spawners either. Uh you know, all the people

you know, down there that wait or whatever, that is not my deal. Don't call me for a wading trip'cause I'm not go I'm not getting out of the boat. You know, that's that's not fun to me. So a lot of people it is a lot of work. You know, I I d I try to you know, my customers in the spring, you know, they're coming to Granada, they're looking for a three pounder, you know, or or the biggest one they can catch.

And, you know, so I'm targeting the fish that are out hadn't moved in to spawn. Obviously you know, you're targeting a female if if that's you know, if you're wanting a d a heavy fish, although the biggest fish I caught last year was a male. Oh, really? but that was a wild Three forty one. Yeah. The biggest one I've ever seen.

You know, th that those are the fish that I'm that I'm looking for. You know, we're not necessarily trying to catch limits, you know, we're trying to catch them the fish of a lifetime, you know, so I'm staying out in that Okay.

five to ten foot of water most of the time, you know, targeting those fish that are out there staging ready to go in. I know um for me and and I didn't ask Gary this but and you're using live sonar as well, I know. Yeah. Uh we talked about it. One of the mistakes I seen people do and and you tell me how are you set up, but as far as your screen size.

Well are you fixing it to adjust to the full picture if you're in five foot of water or are you what's kind of your your mindset on the that Sonar set up for these live. You know, as far you're talking about depth range and

Me personally, I I don't you know, a lot of people try to have the bottom just above the bottom of the screen. I use like three settings on the n bottom range. It's thirty if they're deep, twenty probably eighty percent of the year, and I go to thirteen, you know, is this is as low as I go. If I'm in two foot of water, I'm at I'm still at thirteen, you know. Why is that a key for you?

It's it's consistency for me. The whole live scope build for me is consistency. If if you're constantly changing that bottom dip, the fish size on the screen is constantly changing. If you go from you know, twenty foot to ten foot, well that fish is twice as big now as he m he was at twenty. So, you know, it's it's so my eye get

adjusted and I know what a big one is and what a n you know, what's not. You know, if you're constantly changing it you gotta catch one to see how you know, see how big he is.

You know, I don't it's just it's all in in your brain, you know, what what you're seeing as to what's what it actually is. But yeah, I I go to thirteen feet when I know I'm gonna be in that, you know, ten foot or less water for a couple of months in the spring, I go to thirteen and when I go when they move back out, I go to twenty. No If I have to go to thirty I will but

Twenty is you know, twenty is is really where is is my sweet spot and I leave it there. You know, like I say, probably eighty percent of the year I'm on I'm on twenty feet on depth range. What about your area?

Uh that's that's about the same thing. Uh twenty twenty foot's my my sweet spot and I mean if I ev if I'm in ten foot of water I still leave it on twenty. Now if I get up in five foot of water I'll go to fifteen or something like that, but I try to stay fifteen to twenty and and if it's deep, deep I'll go thirty but About the same as him, uh really. Uh twenty foot's the my sweet spot too. I like I like standing.

twenty. And on the deep, deep when we were talking about thirty, we don't care how deep the bottom is. We care how deep the fish are. I I've fished all winter long in twenty five foot of water with the bottom range at twenty. I I don't if I don't ha if all the fish are not below twenty, I'm targeting the ones that are a little s Salad.

I'm comfortable with that twenty foot mark, but what you start I mean, I know in the first part of uh December this year we had some fish for twenty four to about twenty seven foot water right on the bottom sitting. Yeah. And dude it was just like oh my god this You gotta get adjusted to it. It takes a while but I think to become good with live scope and both you guys are very good at it.

You've got to set that consistent mark and really learn what you're seeing. From even the jig sizes, being able to see those jigs and identify that's just not a minnow floating. You gotta say, Well, I know that's the size of my jig and yeah uh the size of these fish too. I know uh w one of the things when I got live scope, I was wanting to fill that screen up so I'm like, I've got a twelve inch screen, I wanna see a twelve inch. I want every inch of that screen I can utilize.

I think we all all played with it some until we got comfortable with what we got comfortable with. If I do that. I'm trying to catch a minnow on my screen. I know that first year I I hadn't got into like some four foot of water and I had it dialed down to five or six feet. I'm okay, man, that's a fish by this stump, you know, I I gotta catch him, I gotta catch him and I fished and fished and fished, Oh, that's a big one. And I caught him and he was about that long.

Well, I've been fishing with it on 20 or 25, you know, for for months, and then I zoomed it down to five. Yeah, he looked big, but yeah, you know, it he just wasn't. And that's where you can use that. the grid to you know to kinda judge size of fish. Are you do you use grid steel or not? Yes, I definitely do. I do too. Hãy đăng ký kênh để ủng hộ kênh của mình nhé!

I don't see n yeah, I don't understand why you wouldn't. It don't hurt you. Right. You know, I mean obviously d different people see different stuff and you know, how they how they compute stuff in their brain but You know, where I fish, I mean it's a twelve inch fish as a keeper, so if he don't fill up half of a two foot square, you know, long then Don't worry about it. Yeah, I I'm not I'm not trying to catch him, you know.

I I like using the grid and like I said, I think it's the guiding part for me was it lets'em to I I guess understand what that screen is showing'em. If I say, All right, this is twenty foot and you see each block, like Patrick just said, we're looking for fish that's gonna fill that up. If it's anything besides that, we're not gonna really care about it. And I can't tell you how many times I've said

Um, you know, that looked like it was close, but it that line is two foot above that fish. You know, you're two foot above him, you know, you gotta it looks on the screen like you were you were there, but you know, you wasn't. Hey, how how how how many times when when they cast out there, how many times when the jig needs to come back toward the boat do they do this? Joker left. Hey, bud, look, there's no left and right. It's forward and by the way.

I think that's one of the first things everybody that guides definitely with live sonar is first thing there is no left and right on this screen. Yeah. It's close to you and a f away from you. Left and right's done with the trouble, buddy. That's right. If it's not on the screen, it's not straight ahead.

That's hard though if you've never done it. I mean like uh for even for us, if you've never done it, you're sitting there, you know, you it's gotta go left so you're in your mind, you know, yeah move it left. It's a training of your mind almost when you're getting into live scope and you've got to train

That just clicks one day. For me it did. It's like I I can you know, I was m messing up, messing up and one day I was like I pull it back in there, you know, I'll catch it, you know. So it just n you d more you do it, the more comfortable you get with it.

These springtime Grenada fish, they can uh and I haven't fished really Grenada that much in the last four or five years, but I'm hearing ladies that like to run a lot. Yeah, yeah, they're they're definitely getting wise to uh n to the live scope, um or are the boats chasing'em or whatever. They're they're definitely changing. Uh we touched on it in our seminar earlier. Um

three or four years ago, you know, the fish might swim away from you, you know, and and you just get the boat the same speed as him and get the jig over in front of him, he'd pop it, you know. Now they like to run and stop. Run and stop. You know, so that's where these troll motors on the back, you know, everybody uses a different Brand or style or whatever. You gotta be able to stop if you're gonna be consistent at Grenada in the spring, especially when they're they're in that top.

three or four feet of d water column'cause you just run over'em when they stop. You know, you gotta get on it hard to d to chase him down or he's gonna get away from you. And then he stops, you gotta stop, you know. It's it's uh It's different. You know, it's it's definitely getting more challenging than it was, say, in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one where they were

You know, just slow ease away from you and once you get a jig in front of me, bite. They'll still bite it when you get a jig in front of'em, but they uh how they act. Tricks in their game. Yeah, they definitely do. What about you what is your basic setup m whenever you're fishing in the springtime, catching those suspended Yeah, so my basic setup I use a Huckabee K rod which is sixteen foot long. Um I use a heavy braid, I use forty five pound K nine. Um

It just don't break it, you know. Um you don't break it and you don't have to retie it often. Um, I guess call me lazy or whatever. I I don't want to have to go back there and retie every I I use a Palomar knot with braid and you know when I'm using fluorocasting or whatever I use a loop knot, but uh a Palomar knot all the time. I run a half ounce.

or more weight above it, you know, about ten to twelve inches above a eighth ounce jig head. And, you know, I use plastics and um hair jigs, but when it's really muddy I g I start big. I d I just think they can see it better. It's a bigger bait. You know, there's more there to see.

Um, once they get really pressured, say after you know, we start having tournaments every weekend in in March, the more pressured they get and the clearer the water is getting, you know, yeah, I'll go to a smaller bait sometimes and and I think it helps but Yeah. I mean I I start big and if they'll let me I stay big. What kind of a and you said a half ounce, are you talking like a egg sinker or I use a tungsten bullet weight. Yeah. Yeah, they are. But you know, with that heavy braid

I mean the one I got on now is you know, it was painted green or whatever and it's about silver'cause it's been on there all winter long, you know, you just don't lose'em. I mean if you do break off your jig head usually it's below your right your weight, so Yeah. Why you when you are chasing and trying to get one in front of a fish or whatever. Why would you go up in weight size? I know you just said you start at a half ounce and occasionally you go

My weight size, um, how deep the fish are, like this winter I've been using three quarters of an ounce. You know, because we've been fishing eighteen, sixteen, eighteen, twenty feet deep. the longer and you know, the lighter it is, if you need to move it over two feet, the longer it takes to get there. So it's especially with clients and you're trying to coach'em left and right

the quicker it gets there, the before that fish moves, the better you are. You know, in at Grenada in the spring, you know, it's usually a half ounce because the fish are that you're targeting are gonna be four foot or less deep. You know, even if you're in that seven, eight, ten foot of water, the fish that you can catch most of the time are the shallower fish. And you know, I like you touched on there too is you get somebody in the boat and you don't have enough weight. And

Their eyes are waiting to see that jig. Once you kinda train them all right, you're gonna see this jig and it's gonna appear about ten to twelve foot away from you on the screen in the grid line. Mm-hmm. And they're gonna keep moving it to the left. If the f if you're following a fish and he's going to left, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. If you're not using enough weight, the time he sees the bait and if you don't have that weight to catch up with it.

He's gonna stop it and that that weight's gonna jig's gonna swing out of the picture. Yeah. You just go you can't uh I mean I call it we call it drag. You can't have too much drag. Especially when that fish is moving. And you know, one we talked about this earlier. One thing you can do to help with that drag is you can put your weight closer to the jig. You know, that that instead of having this much drag, you bring that weight down you got this much.

So you know, you can shorten your weight a little bit to help with that. 'Cause it's it's gonna swing. It's everything's on a swing. That's what I tell my clients too, is like w when you're looking for these open water sus suspended fish, we barely got that out. You're almost like on a rope swing. Yeah. That that bait's constantly swinging. So the more you make it swing

And it swings even more when they're stopping and going. You know you you get it's kinda stretched back under the pole, you're going fast chasing that fish and then he stops, you hit them brakes and it You know, you gotta you gotta account for all that'cause you don't never want that jig below the fish. If he ever sees it go down below him, you're probably not gonna catch him. He's gotta be real hungry at that time, yeah. I don't know about that.

I know for me is like you said I I it clicked for me when live scope whenever I did picture it. I'm holding out something on a a rope swing almost a and a tether ball or what have you and that thing's going around. And really that's how that jig is in that water. It's like constantly s suspended fish. I'm talking open water chasing'em.

Everything's swinging. Mm-hmm. You'll bring it down now if you drop it down it is gonna go straight down. But if you start it gotta chase him around, it's gonna start swinging around as well. I can't tell you how many times, you know, especially when they're deeper, you say left, left, left, stop. I can't see it, just wait it. Right. It's coming. You you stop the rod where the where it's gonna be, you know, when it does swing all the way under, it'll be on the floor.

If you move it uh until you can see the d see it. Two four. Far, you know,'cause it's gonna keep swinging, so I know it it'll make more sense to you guys if if you're listening and you're g just getting in the in this technique as far as suspended open water fish. It'll start it'd a click one day. Yeah. Stuff we're talking about is gonna click and I mean

I know for me when I started I really wanted to throw live scope in the lake and I I thought it was the coolest thing ever. Yeah. I was like I sent a video to a bunch of my buddies, I was like, You better go buy one. I don't know what in the world I'm looking at, but I can tell ya it it is awesome. Yeah. And sure didn't know how to use it. I wish you'd left him out of a loop. Well he's definitely awesome with it, that's pretty sure. I'm not about it. Rolled out, phenomenal.

Guys, make sure you join us Tuesday nights for today's bite. I got I got the stash, both of these guys know who I'm talking about, Mr. Dustin there. Uh but we do a live broadcast on Tuesday nights called Today's Bite. Fun deal. We will teach more. I want both of these guys on here. I I've called Patrick actually a couple of times to get him on there. Um I just had a cool phone call, but um

But it's on there Tuesday nights. Make sure you join in. It's a fun show. I'll have both of these guys on here, I promise you. If I gotta I'm not gonna wrestle Eric because I've already heard that his he's too big. Legend over there in Alabama about wrestling. So I can't do that for you guys with that, but I'm gonna ask both of these guys to come on today's bike with us. Appreciate your time. I've had a blast. And um signing out, Brad Chapel.

I appreciate it, man. Thanks for having us, Brad. We enjoyed it. Thank you. For here I'll rest my heart.