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The Counter Narrative: Changing the Way We Talk (and think) About Education

Charles Williams
A podcast dedicated to changing the way we talk and think about education. We all know that the field isn't perfect but there is plenty of awesome work happening everyday. Listen in as I profile educators who are positively impacting their staff, students, and communities.
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Episodes

Episode 249: Pause to Ponder - The Hardest Episode Yet

After nearly 250 episodes of amplifying unheard voices, disrupting the status quo, and challenging dominant narratives, Charles Williams shares a deeply personal reflection in what may be the final episode of The Counter Narrative Podcast. In this emotional and vulnerable farewell—for now—Charles opens up about the exhaustion that comes with relentless advocacy, the need to honor capacity, and the courage it takes to pause without a perfect ending. While this isn’t a clean goodbye, it is a neces...

May 30, 20257 minEp. 249

Episode248: Interview w/ Eli Casaus

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages in a deep conversation with Coach Eli Casaus about the nuances of leadership, the importance of coaching over consulting, and the challenges of isolation in leadership roles. Eli shares his journey from being a reluctant teacher to a principal and now a leadership coach, emphasizing the significance of self-discovery, authentic conversations, and building a supportive network. The discussion also touches on mental he...

May 23, 202532 minEp. 248

Episode 247: Interview w/ Dr. Amy Mathews-Perez

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages with Dr. Amy Matthews-Perez, a seasoned educator with over 34 years of experience in special education. They discuss the importance of embracing progress over perfection, the subjectivity of perfection, and the significance of authenticity in education and career choices. Dr. Matthews-Perez shares her journey in education, practical tips for personal growth, and the value of self-reflection. The conversation emphasiz...

May 16, 202539 minEp. 247

Episode 246: Interview w/ Melisa Hayes

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams speaks with Melisa Hayes, a dedicated second-grade teacher with over 25 years of experience. They discuss the importance of balancing fun and technology in education, the need for student empowerment, and creative teaching strategies that engage young learners. Melisa shares her insights on how to create a dynamic classroom environment that fosters learning through play and technology, while also encouraging educators to take ris...

May 09, 202522 minEp. 246

Episode 245: Pause to Ponder - When Fairness Feels Like a Threat

In this reflection, Charles Williams addresses the alarming trends in education regarding equity, particularly focusing on the backlash against initiatives aimed at supporting Black students. He emphasizes the importance of the Black Student Success Plan in Chicago, arguing that it is a necessary corrective measure to address systemic neglect and disparities faced by Black students. Williams challenges the misconception that equity efforts harm other groups and highlights the benefits of equitab...

May 02, 20259 minEp. 245

Episode 244: Interview w/ Tara Bonner

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Tara Bonner, an educator with extensive experience in understanding learning struggles. They explore the intersection of education and cognitive science, discussing the importance of recognizing and addressing the cognitive functions that contribute to learning difficulties such as dyslexia. Tara emphasizes the need for a shift in the educational system from a fixed mindset to a gr...

Apr 25, 202553 minEp. 244

Episode 243: Pause to Ponder - When Autonomy Meets Apathy

In this conversation, Charles Williams reflects on the challenges faced in educational leadership, particularly the struggle between fostering teacher autonomy and the ingrained culture of compliance. He discusses the importance of creating a supportive environment for educators, recognizing the need for both structure and freedom in professional development. The conversation emphasizes the significance of alignment between leadership beliefs and teacher needs, ultimately advocating for a respon...

Apr 18, 202512 minEp. 243

Episode 242: Interview w/ Mark Gibson

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages with educator Mark Gibson Jr. about his journey in education, the importance of building resiliency in students, and the proactive strategies educators can implement to foster a supportive learning environment. Mark shares his personal experiences and insights on mentorship, accountability, and the necessity of creating safe spaces for students to thrive. The conversation emphasizes the need for educators to be aware...

Apr 11, 202535 minEp. 242

Episode 241: Pause to Ponder - Autism in Real Life

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams shares his personal journey of understanding autism through the lens of his grandson, Leo. He emphasizes that autism awareness should extend beyond a single month and highlights the importance of acceptance, support, and celebrating small victories. Charles discusses the significance of viewing behavior as communication and the role of advocacy in creating a more inclusive world for individuals with autism. He encourages listener...

Apr 04, 20259 minEp. 241

Episode 240: Interview w/ Lydia McNeiley

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams speaks with Lydia McNeely, a lead professional learning specialist for Hatching Results, about her non-traditional journey in education and the vital role of school counselors. They discuss the current challenges facing school counselors, particularly regarding misconceptions about their roles, the importance of family engagement, and the need for community support in education. Lydia shares her experiences and insights on how to...

Mar 28, 202539 minEp. 239

Episode 239: Pause to Ponder - Hey Batter Batter!

In this episode, Charles Williams reflects on a transformative morning experience where he chose to listen to a baseball game instead of the usual news briefing. This decision led him to realize the importance of finding simple moments of joy and comfort in daily life, emphasizing the need to 'fill your bucket' with small, grounding experiences that can reset one's mood and perspective.

Mar 21, 202510 minEp. 238

Episode 238: Interview w/ Julie Hasson

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams speaks with Dr. Julie Hasson about her journey in education, focusing on the importance of teacher resilience and engagement. They discuss the shift from external factors affecting teacher retention to the internal resources teachers need to thrive. Julie shares practical strategies for building resilience, the significance of self-check-ins, and the need for a culture of honesty in educational settings. The conversation also hig...

Mar 14, 202534 min

Episode 237: Pause to Ponder - When The Noise Fades...

In this episode, Charles Williams reflects on the current state of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) efforts, particularly in the context of a recent conference he attended. He discusses the noticeable decline in engagement and attendance at DEI-related events, questioning the authenticity of allyship in a changing political climate. Williams emphasizes the importance of standing up for DEI even when it is uncomfortable and the need for genuine commitment to these values beyond performative...

Mar 07, 20258 minEp. 237

Episode 236: Interview w/ David James

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages with David James, a dedicated seventh-grade social studies teacher and conference director for the North Carolina Association for Middle Level Education (NCMLE). They discuss the journey of educators, the significance of teacher leadership, and the impact of personalized professional development on student achievement. David shares insights from his experience in education, emphasizing the importance of mentorship, n...

Feb 28, 202529 minEp. 236

Episode 235: Interview w/ Ismael Jimenez

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages with educator Ishmael Jimenez, who shares his journey into education and the importance of understanding historical context in teaching. They discuss the significance of Black history, the role of educators in challenging dominant narratives, and the need for truth in education. Ishmael emphasizes the importance of community engagement and the responsibility of educators to speak truthfully, even in the face of fear ...

Feb 21, 202532 minEp. 235

Episode 234: The 2025 Black History Month Special

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages in a rich conversation with guests Leonard Webb and Vernon Wright. They explore the significance of Black History Month, the importance of storytelling, and the need to challenge the traditional narratives surrounding Black history. Leonard shares a personal story about his father, highlighting the complexities of race and identity, while Vernon emphasizes the importance of service and understanding one's purpose. To...

Feb 14, 202551 minEp. 234

Episode 233: Pause to Ponder - The Intersection of Progress and Patriotism

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams emphasizes the critical need to teach authentic history, particularly during Black History Month. He discusses the intersection of policies and problems, particularly in relation to immigration and the historical context of laws like the Fugitive Slave Act. Williams argues that understanding our shared history is essential for recognizing patterns that inform current societal issues. He calls for vigilance in education and commun...

Feb 07, 202510 minEp. 233

Episode 232: Interview w/ Maggie Broderick

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages with educator Maggie Broderick to discuss the importance of belonging in education and the concept of 'oases'—hidden spaces within schools where students can find connection and support. They explore how these oases contribute to social emotional learning and the overall well-being of students, emphasizing the need for educators to be supported in their roles. The conversation highlights the impact of extracurricular...

Jan 31, 202528 minEp. 232

Episode 231: Pause to Ponder - A Dream & A Contradiction

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams reflects on the significance of Martin Luther King Jr. Day coinciding with the inauguration of Donald Trump. He explores the contrasting legacies of King and Trump, emphasizing the importance of dialogue and the role of educators in promoting equity and inclusion. Williams challenges listeners to consider their contributions to King's dream and the necessity of aligning actions with values of justice, especially in the face of sy...

Jan 24, 202513 minEp. 231

Episode 230: Interview w/Jose Moreno

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages with Jose Moreno, a former tech professional turned EdTech entrepreneur. They discuss the importance of challenging harmful narratives surrounding immigration, the impact of implicit bias in education, and the need for practical tools to support English Language Learners. Jose shares his personal story, highlighting the sacrifices of his mother and the misconceptions about immigrant families. The conversation emphasi...

Jan 17, 202532 minEp. 230

Episode 229: Pause to Ponder - From Progress to Regression

In this episode, Charles Williams discusses the recent rollback of DEI policies by major corporations like McDonald's, in light of the Supreme Court's ruling on affirmative action. He expresses concern over the implications for diversity and inclusion efforts, emphasizing that diversity is multifaceted and extends beyond race. Williams reflects on the irony of a woman in senior leadership representing the dismantling of policies that enabled her position. He highlights the historical struggles f...

Jan 10, 202512 minEp. 229

Episode 228: Interview w/ Jennifer Abrams

Episode Summary In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams engages in a deep conversation with Jennifer Abrams about the significance of having hard conversations in educational settings. They explore the challenges of professional development, the necessity of adult development in schools, and the importance of emotional hygiene during professional learning. Jennifer shares her insights on how to navigate time constraints in PD sessions and emphasizes the need for intent...

Jan 03, 202533 minEp. 228

Episode 227: Pause to Ponder - From Striving to Being

In this final episode of the year, Charles Williams reflects on his personal journey, emphasizing the importance of letting go as a means of growth. He shares insights from his experiences, including a transformative trip to Denver, and discusses how embracing simplicity can lead to more meaningful connections in the upcoming year. The episode encourages listeners to consider what they can release to make room for new opportunities and to trust in their journey ahead.

Dec 27, 202410 minEp. 227

Episode 226: The 2024 Holiday Episode

Episode Summary In this holiday episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams is joined by co-authors of the book 'Grow Your Why' to discuss the significance of the holiday season, personal stories of growth, and the importance of connection. Each guest shares their unique contributions to the book, reflecting on their journeys and the impact of believing in oneself. The conversation also delves into cherished holiday traditions, the joy of food, and the memories that shape our...

Dec 20, 202449 minEp. 226

Episode 225: Pause to Ponder - AI Beyond Academics

Episode Summary In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams discusses the emerging trends in education, particularly focusing on the role of AI in addressing mental health challenges among students. He emphasizes the need to shift the conversation around AI from viewing it as a threat to recognizing its potential as a supportive tool for emotional well-being. Williams highlights the importance of providing personalized AI companions for students, while also addressing conc...

Dec 13, 202414 minEp. 225

Episode 224: Interview w/ Holly O'Hern

Episode Summary In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages in a deep conversation with Holly O'Hern, a leadership development expert and certified Dare to Lead facilitator. They explore the importance of self-care in leadership, the courage to be vulnerable, and the transformative power of community engagement. Holly shares her journey from corporate America to becoming a solopreneur, emphasizing the need for leaders to prioritize their well-being to effectiv...

Dec 06, 202429 minEp. 224

Episode 223: Pause to Ponder - Defying Gravity

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams reflects on the transformative power of theater and the song 'Defying Gravity' from Wicked. He explores themes of personal growth, the importance of standing firm in one's values, and the challenges faced in advocacy and equity work. Through personal anecdotes and insights, he encourages listeners to embrace their truth, defy societal expectations, and inspire others to rise.

Nov 29, 202411 minEp. 223

Episode 222: Interview w/ Dr. Chris Culver

Episode Summary In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams speaks with Dr. Christopher Culver about his journey in education, the importance of kindness and empathy, and strategies for fostering a positive school culture. Dr. Culver shares insights on the differences between Gen Z and Gen Alpha, the impact of social media on youth, and the significance of mindfulness and gratitude in educational settings. He emphasizes the need for educators to create spaces where st...

Nov 22, 202430 minEp. 222

Episode 221: Pause to Ponder - My Birthday

In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams reflects on his personal journey of celebrating his birthday after a decade of avoidance. He explores the themes of survivor guilt related to the loss of loved ones, particularly his grandparents, and the impact of codependency on self-worth and celebration. Through his reflections, he emphasizes the importance of embracing joy and self-love as a means to honor those we've lost and to break free from cycles of guilt and self-negl...

Nov 15, 202411 minEp. 221

Episode 220: Interview w/ George Couros

Episode Summary In this engaging conversation, Charles Williams and George Couros explore the themes of innovation in education, the importance of critical thinking, and the role of technology in the classroom. They discuss the challenges educators face in seeking quick fixes and the necessity of fostering a culture of inquiry and reflection. Couros emphasizes the need for meaningful professional development and the importance of teaching students to navigate technology responsibly. The discussi...

Nov 08, 202447 minEp. 220
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