Have you ever wondered whether the problems in the world today would exist if we had deeper connection to ourselves, others, and the environment, and acted from that place? Welcome to the Conscious Action Podcast with your host, Brian Berneman and Kayla Greenville, who believed that connection is the. Key to taking conscious action as individuals and creating a better world.
We're here to raise awareness and inspire meaningful action by sharing stories, knowledge and conversations with thought leaders and change makers. From sustainability to wellbeing and everything related to conscious living. Our mission is to empower you to be the change that you want to see in the world. Welcome everyone to a new episode of the Contra Action Podcast. I am Brian Berneman and your host, and I have the pleasure to be joined all the way from Costa Rica by Briony Mckenzie.
Thank you, Briony, for being there and for being able to be in this conversation with me, and so looking forward to it. I know that. Going to be so many choosey things for people to take from this episode. But before we get into that, who, who are you? Like who, Who is Briony? I love that. Thank you. Firstly, thank you so much for having me here. Um, it's an honor to be in this community, in this conversation.
Um, and I know that you create so much impact on my, so I'm excited to see where we go. Uh, the question, who is writing in the world? I think, uh, Yeah, well, a little bit about my background and what has there ever been where I am right now.
So currently I am the founder of a company called Untapped, and right now, specifically that company is in a huge evolution, which I think all of us are globally, and that's been my privilege to hold that space and that community and what we've created over the last five years. And it's a coaching company.
We run workshops, online trainings programs in the business of transformation, of supporting people often to go from a place of feeling really stuck and confused about where they wanna go to really discovering their unique genius. And we have lots of other things around business and finances and all these beautiful elements. And for me personally, the reason I love transformation, I love self-awareness.
I love the journey of discovering who we are and then impacting the world with that, uh, is because, you know, from that was my, my process. I found myself years ago in a corporate law firm, having ticked all the boxes, done all the things I was told would make me happy and. Societies narratives of success, only to find that there was nothing there for me.
I felt really deep lonely lost, and that's where my own journey began in personal development and that spiritual inquiry, and really understanding the depths of who I was and how I wanted to be in the world. And so that, that was me years ago and this five years ago now that I started untapped, and yeah, now I have, We have an awesome team. We have support coaches all delivering this work in the world. But I think, you know, back to your question, who am I? , A constant evolving soul, right?
A constant evolution of who I add. That's a little bit of my story, but I'm. I'm actually always in the discovery of who am I and what is our company and what are we here for? And that's something I, I love in life is, is that constant inquiry of, I think we changed day to day, we uncover new things. So yeah, right now I'm in Costa, I'm uncovering more . Beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. And, and you know, like I want to unpack a few different things from there.
Cause I think it's so important to understand a, as you're saying, We are in constant evolution, whether we understand it or not, whether we are holding that back and we are trying to freeze who we are or not. That is happening. And one of the things that, that I want to start with before we get into these topics is how did you realize, like what were the signs that when you were in, as you're saying in that past, that society was saying like, this is success and this is successful life.
You're a lawyer and, and you have all of. How did you start noticing like, Oh, there's something that is not a line or doesn't feel. Mm, I remember. I remember. And there's so many simple things isn't there initially, and I remember this one thing that was like, if you, you know, if you have two days at work and you're unhappy, like, you know, that's okay. Every now and again, like so bad.
If you have 14 days in a row where you really don't feel much joy and fulfillment, then perhaps that's not quite what you're meant to be doing. It's funny because we're so deeply programmed. You know, my, my dad's a lawyer, my stepmom's a lawyer, and I, you spend years studying, you spend tens of thousands of dollars towards this trajectory. So I think there's so much programming, conditioning that goes into thinking that that's your path and.
Then when you're in it, there's, So also I think for me, there was so much convincing of, oh, maybe it's just the nature of the industry. Maybe it's just how it is. Maybe working in corporate is just this stressful and all these things that I think we just don't question. And so for so long I didn't question, I remember seeing this little snippet. I don't know, I think maybe it was a coach at the time that I was working with who said this, and I was like, Okay.
Yeah. Um, , I think, I think every day I feel stressed, I feel overwhelmed. I feel. Unfulfilled and that, and actually that's not normal to some extent. It's normal to feel all those emotions in life, but consistently, constantly that that's not a life that you have to, you know. Subscribe to, and I always would be so, so, so, so tired when I got home from work and not tired, like fulfilled and tired, you know, like, Oh man, that was so, so fulfilling. I'm exhausted.
That was like, no, I was tired and I was angry and I was, I used to just burst into tears because I was so out of the line. What I was true to my gifts and what I, what I care about in the world. And then I remember getting language for this distinction and hearing other people's stories, which is why I always think it's so important to tell out stories. And sometimes when you're further along your journey, you kind of truly actually forget like the depth of where you were.
So I remember hearing someone sharing their story and they talked about this, this soul voice. Like there was this part of them, they were doing a PhD at the time and they left their PhD. They said their, their soul voice was whispering. And I was like, Is that what that is? Like this little, just like, Hey Brandy, you know, when I was walking home late at night or something, like, I think there's something else. Like just this, this tiny, It was so quiet.
Cause the noise of the mind can be so loud or the ego mind. But it was, and I remember hearing that distinction and, and suddenly realizing like, Wow, okay, this is the thing. Like there is, I'm not, there's nothing wrong with me. I, you know, there's nothing even wrong with the industry. I'm in it. This is the thing I'm actually out of alignment. And that was those, those couple of things were just the kind of light bulb moments of how I so normalized this.
And actually it didn't need to be this way. And there was so my, you know, and there was subtle communications my body was giving me as well. I got huge stomach digestion issue because my body was like, we are not in the flow right now, , you know, so. and, um, I didn't get that insight until later. But yeah, that was kind of how I realized, wow, this doesn't have to be this way. Mm-hmm. , Yes. And mm-hmm. , You know, I, I talk about this with a lot of my clients.
That is, you know, like the sciences that the body gives you, and I'm, we haven't been. Thought or we haven't learned in this society how to actually listen to our bodies or as you're saying to that soul voice and, and there's so many things that have been normalized. And we have normalized because we have taken in all of these systems as well.
Like it's not just that the systems are outside of us, they are inside of us, and we, as you're saying, like we have normalized certain things, like as you're saying, going home depleted after. Like, that's not, that's not natural. That's normal, but that's not natural. And for me, that's a huge distinction on what are we, you know, putting up with and what are the things that we are not following from ourselves. That are telling us, like, go to your right.
And we're like, No, no. Society's telling me go to the left. And it's like, uh, who do I listen? And it takes a little bit of courage and it takes, and it takes, uh, sometimes support. And you mentioned one of your coaches.
What, for those other listen that perhaps are in a place that they know that they are out of alignment with where they are, what were the things that you did, You just mentioned like you got a. What were the, those blockages that you had to get through as well to go and seek for that support? Yeah. Yeah, and it's, it was one of the first things was actually admitting that I wasn't happy , because I spent my whole life. With a facade and a mask. Mm. That everything was fine, everything was good.
Right. That was my game. That was my, the way I developed my identity just to keep people bay, you know, just, and it was a behavior I learned to kind of keep it all together so. My whole game, my whole life had be that everything was fine. And I think that's what's so interesting when we ask people like, How are you, you know, instead of dropping in and sitting with like, How am I really, We just go like, automatic. Good. Good. Yeah, good.
Everything's like, that's, it's, it's everywhere, right? We're not, we're not giving ourselves the space and the permission to just really sit with. Maybe I'm not, It's so courageous to do that cuz the moment you do that, you have to look at your life and that's like, that's the next story, right? So I think the, the admission of I am not happy, I am not where I thought I would be. And it's scarier. I don't know where I'm meant to be.
And that bit, you know, Cause sometimes you can hear that nigg or you can hear that little voice, but if you have no idea. What you're meant to be yet, right. You just, there's just this like knowing something needs to change or I'm stuck and that that kind of poor, but I have no idea what's out there. That's terrifying. So most people just go back to the programming, go back to the default, go back to the right as you said, cause what least time that I know that job. I know that relationship.
I know like that certain. And so I think for me, give, taking off that mask for just a moment. And I actually remember I was walking home one night from work and. Closest to us usually deal with the impact of us being out. Sadly, it's them who gets the tired, exhausted, angry, whatever Our emotions are coming up and. My mom rang me and she really wanted me to, She'd been on her own healing journey and she really wanted me to go to do some work, go to a seminar, and I was like, I'm fine.
I'm fine. I'm good, you know? And then I hung up and I knew deeply that I was lying to myself. Like I knew that. And so actually that first piece was just admitting that and not being ashamed about it either because. I think a lot of us are alone in that part. That part is like, it's a very introspective, personal part to get to, so we don't walk around talking about a lot, you know, most of us are protecting.
And then you kind of got get, get to the real talk and then let go of the shame or any embarrassment that comes with that and realize like, okay. And that next piece for me was getting support, because again, I was, I come from, um, my parents got divorced when I was little. I developed, I went to boarding school and I liked extreme independence. Like that was my gang. Like I said, , it's like I don't need anyone. I'm on my own like, Let's go.
And so actually allowing myself to be supported and to put my hand up and say to coaches, mentors, and people around me, like, I need, I need help. And I don't even know what help yet. Like I have no idea. And that's kind of, that's where I like that first access to coaching and mentorship and, uh, not, not through books or podcasts, through truly being held and supported by pe other people, um, which was a really different experience for me.
That first actual mission of like, Okay, I'm not where I wanna be. And then, you know, yes, that fear of having to make change, but then not, not needing to do it alone was like a get really big shift in my life. I think in my, I've done a lot of life alone to that point, and that's why I love, I love coaching, I love mentorship. I'm like, why we trying to figure it out loud?
Like ? Yeah. Whilst there's still like our own work we would need to do, it's like we can do that together and with people. And so starting on that journey of. Coaching specifically was getting these tools and getting these being asked questions I had never asked myself, and I had the answers way under there. You know, under a lot of layers. But really these questions like what does success actually mean to you, right? If you strip away everything you got taught, what does that mean to you?
To value system? What do you care about? And these seem really basic now that they were big at the time. Cause I handled it myself. Ask those questions. If we took away everything that your life is right now, how would you design your day? Right. If it's the end of your life and this your time's up, what do you want people to say about who you are in the world that you went to your corporate office and then high building and went every day, or that you, you truly supported humanity?
And so those kind of questions chipped away at a lot of my programming. Meaning like all the default thoughts and how it created my life and like, let me start to get connected to my truth. Yeah. And that's where that journey started. Mm, Beautiful. And you know, like, I think it's so important a, to understand as you're saying, how we are programmed.
Like that's one of the things that a lot of people like, like I've been doing this for many years and I know many people don't even know that that's what's going. And it's kind of like, you know, like being in the matrix and it's like, well, like, oh, I'm in the matrix. Okay, it's step one . It's like, okay, Yeah. And now it's like what are the avenues and what are the different ways to actually get there and, and to be able to, to use questioning.
I remember I went to live at the Tibet Bus Retreat Center in 2012, and when I was there, I, my teacher. Was using so many questions the same like, I mean, this of course comes from a Buddhi tradition. So you have like the Lama, you as a student, but in a sense it's the same as having a coach. It's just different tradition, different ways of doing things, and he will question everything, or he would ask me to question everyth.
And one of the things that you just mentioned and, and it really resonated, was for a while he made me practice as if I was dying that night. Like I'm not waking up. And it was so intense, um, because I was living so intensely that the, the teaching of dying wasn't about being, you know, like fearful of that. It was about understanding how precious every single moment is.
and why doing something that I don't want to be doing, connecting to that inner voice or that intuition or that slower voice, however we want to call it. Um, and I notice like, oh, like I'm living really differently. I'm doing things really differently. And I think that that is, it's so important to be able to, to. Those questions, and as you're saying, a lot time, we need someone else, We need that support.
And why do we want to do everything by ourselves when someone else has the answer, when someone else has not the answer, but has the question or has the key for us to open the door as well. And, and that's one of the things, you know, like when I work with people and I'm sure that this is the thing for you, I don't, I don't tell them anything. It's all, it's all about them and them coming up with their own like answers in. Yeah. And exactly like they already, Yeah.
We, if you're listening to this and like you, you, we all already have our own truths and our announces. It's just been very, very crowded and very, very noisy, and like you said, like the matrix. Everything that's marketed to us, everything we inherited from our parents or our family systems or any of that. You're born and that's, that's there like that.
There's, And I think the other thing is, that's interesting this, the matrix conversation, part of that is there's a lot of like making stuff wrong. You know, like, Oh, I got this from my parents, I got, And it's like this not their responsibility, like it this, this system. Yes, the many parts of the system don't work, but like it's all there and it's for us individually to come back and take radical responsibility and be like, Okay, if I stop blaming the system, if I stop blaming my job.
Cause I also did that, Like I did that for so long. It's exhausting to think about, you know, blaming my boss, blaming this, blaming that. And it was just like, if your time, I did that. So disempowered. and it's like, Look, you were born into that particular family with that kind of programming. Yes. We live in a society that many parts of it don't work and don't operate the way we would all love. Yes. Working for the man, like all of that programming, it's like.
And what do you wanna do about that? You know, what do you wanna do with that? Um, so yeah, and that, that question asking, I think that's a massive misconception of coaching is people definitely still perceive that as someone telling you what to do. And it's like, it's literally just that mirror that like, constantly just, just extracting all of your wisdom out of you in a safe. That you can truly look at it.
Cause if you go home and put, you know those kind of questions in your journal, you almost answer them and you go, Oh gosh. Oh gosh. Now I dunno what to do with that Like that's very different from what I'm living. So actually having a safe space or community or working with some that it's like we can. Bring that up and we can just go, Okay.
You know, and, and like you said, like I'm sure working with your mentor, like that discomfort of tru, truly having to think about it being the end of your life. Like that's such an uncomfortable thought. Most humans, psychological hygiene, not to think about that. Just don't about, So for you to held on a way where your mentor is like, and we're gonna think about that again and again, and you're just like, Okay, all right, now we're getting somewhere. So it's like, I think it's also about.
The, the safety of, of how you supported through their deep introspection. Yeah. Yeah. And, and you know, there's, there's something in terms of that, that of, and of course we are not all open to talking about energy, but there's that energetic component. I mean, we're, we're energy beings, uh, where we want to look at it from a spiritual or scientific standpoint. We are energy and, and that energy. It needs to be actually taken into account.
And as you just mentioned, like, and I love this, I, I used family Constellations work to be able to actually integrate and what you were saying, taking radical self responsibility, which is huge for us. Um, and to be able to not blame anything and to understand, well, this is what was brought, how can I now, you know, like take the responsibility and do something different and. My own trajectory with understanding all that came before. Cool. That came before. That's all good.
So how can, how can we change that? I'm, I'm interested because, you know, like what, what you're working with with untapped and. And everything that you've been doing now for this five years, and I know that you work with hundreds or thousands of people, um, especially lots of young people that I know with the social experiment that you have done all of that work. What are some of the main things that all of the time you are wanting to, to explore and to, to let them know? Mm mm So many.
Like you genuinely every soul. And I truly like believe that is like there is some unique gifts you have and there is, there is something because I feel that emotion of sitting in that will like is this set is okay? Um, is this what life. It was meant to be. Right? Because you kind of go through those young years and you think you're like , you think something, you're special, you're little, you go to high school and all of those chapters.
And then I think getting into the working world, like when I was in my twenties or people in twenties and thirties, I've worked primarily a lot in my age breakers because that's often when it kind of like hits you of like, you kind of did all the things and then you get to that point. And I think a lot of people, that question is like, is this. Is this what life is meant to be? Cause you look up the whole time and then suddenly you are there.
Whatever there is, But you are, and, and I, and I sat with, and I, I really sat with that question and I was kind of okay. I mean, I was disappointed, but I was like, Okay, well that's interesting. Is this really it ? Um, and I think to that, it's just going like that question alone. Like the fact that you are asking that is the answer. It's like, No way.
Because not like, that's not it, you know, If you have to sit and constantly be like this, this is, this is, like, the answer is in the discovery of, of what could be next. And I didn't used to think like, I, I felt, I felt like that deep down I was. Meant to do something a little bit unique or. Meaningful with my life. Um, I hoped I would leave this planet.
One of the questions of when I'm gone is like, I hope that I left it in a better place than I came in and, and had an impact in some sense, whatever, you know, your essence of impact is. And so I used to sit as a lawyer and be like, I, I think I was, I think I was me. I think I am, you know, not in an egotistical way, cuz some people, when they tell me that, they go, I dunno, I just kind of thought I was gonna do something a little bit special.
And I'm like, You are right and you, you do have gifts. And to to know that and just to know that if you're not in that space and you don't feel like you are using your medicine, your uniqueness, your essence, your truth, your values, like. Then it's not the job and it's not that you're flawed and it's not that you, you know, this was just your life. It's just like a simple, like redirection of those.
So yeah, like truly knowing, like you do have really unique gifts that the world needs in some sense. And if you don't feel like you are using them with, we've got questions to ask. We've got, you know, we've got work to do because you what a, what a beautiful. Yeah, what a beautiful reminder. And, and the second part is a lot of people have, have ideas , right? So there's other massive piece I've seen.
I've seen the level of like whether self worth or the kind of just not enough story gets to be like the point where people don't click that maybe they don't have anything to offer. So that first piece is like, Yes, you do, and let's figure out. And then the next part is I see the most in all of. Souls that I've worked with. Sometimes people come in and they say, I dunno what I wanna do. I dunno what I'm here for. I don't know.
And then like three weeks later, a question asking and chipping away at some of the layers of, you know, am I good enough stories? And all of that stuff we get consumed by these ideas bubble through. And it's like, okay, well actually I did have this idea. I'm like, Of course you did , right? Because. I think a lot of us do have ideas or, Or just like little NIS or little, They're not businesses and things yet and they don't need to be either. It's like. On, on those ideas.
It's like they never go away. And if you don't wanna take action on that, that idea, that's okay. But just know, like it'll go to someone else because that's kind of how that, that energy works. If you know it came to you, it was downloaded to you. And if you don't wanna execute on it, like that's cool, but it will go to someone else. And so it, that idea that you're sitting with did come to you for a reason, right?
Whether you think or not, or you think everyone has those kind of ideas, they don't. It's unique and. It's how can we get you out of your own way to be the vehicle, the channel, the vessel, whatever language to put that in the world because it wants to be in the world. And it's like, are you willing to get out of your way to, to put that in the world? Um, because that's the other piece I see a huge amount.
And I've had clients, you know, come in and they've been sitting this like, like Georgia Moore is a beautiful client of, uh, Minor, just interview with her yesterday, like six years. She had this idea of, of helping young girls develop confidence and worth when they like really, you know, in their like 19 11, 12 kind of age bracket and six years, she thought of that idea and.
You know, within six weeks of working together that came through and it was just chipping away at all the fear of failure. Am I enough? Am I qualified? And just like really starting to put that idea in the world. And now she's a company and she's a team, and that's what she does. She runs body workshops in the world with running. She's just about to expand. All these workshops and she's like, I can't believe this is my life.
And it's like, so that's, that's the other piece is like if you have an idea, like it came to you for a reason and just being brave to just give it a go to start something, I think that's, that's huge. Even when untapped as an idea came to me, I had posted that's all over the wall. Just like all these thoughts and essence, Energie. None of it made actual sense, and I had no idea how to run business, but that it was there and it was coming through. Right.
And it was just willing, being willing to get out of my own way and just try something small to put that in the world. Yes. I, I think, um, yeah, just being brave to trust those is huge. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. And, and, and I mean, And I know that most likely, and I'm working with everyone that I work with that for you like seeing that actually happening for someone else. It's so, so beautiful because like I know like working with people like you see that that potential.
And then you see that potential actually materialized and it's like, mm-hmm. I like, you know, like I knew that that was there and it was about them figuring that out, like and how to get there. And I loved something that you said just now as well that I think is so important. Ideas. Doesn't need to be a business or that little boss doesn't need to be a business.
Uh, I actually, I, I remember with one of my clients that it was, that I'm like, well, like who said, like, you know, like, who said that you need to live your work and do that as a business? Where did you get that from? So we also work on, and because it was that, that, you know, like that idea, it can be.
A gift that we're bringing into the world and we are so conditioned by this needs to be, you know, the way, because we live in a world where there's business and there's money and all of that. And it's like, well, like I left everything behind when, when I left in 2012 and I went to live in the Bud Center, like there was no money. There was like, money didn't exist. I, I was like, I felt this, and I'm like, I need to follow that.
And it's just, you know, like I, I was learning at that time in, in Berlin, in Germany. I'm like, I'm just going to live this and I'm going to go in the middle of the mountain and live like in the Bud Retreat Center. What? I have no idea for how long? I have no idea. I just trusted something inside of me and I wonder and like, you know, like I. I was, but that time I was, I, I had done like, work on myself and I knew, okay, I need to listen to this.
And I knew how to follow it, but still it was like I'm living everything behind and I'm going, like, I lived in big cities up until that moment. I'm like, I'm going there. And it's like, uh, Up there and it was awesome. But I think that as well, it's that pressure as well that, that we can give into, into all of that. And anything that, you know, like I, One of the things that I, that I want to ask, because I love this topic as well, when, when we have that potential, right? Mm-hmm.
and we don't know what's on the other side. This is a very interesting. Because this is, you know, like the, the space in all the spaces in between, in the Buddhist language, we call that the bardo. It's all the spaces in between that unknown. It can be amazing and it can also be very challenging. How do you see that space? How do you work with that space?
Mm, I think it is, and it's, it's like the place, I love that you have different distinctions of what it's called in different, um, space in, in different communities because it is where. Infinite possibilities can happen. And that's what's so magical about it. Cause it's so wide open. There's, there's so much unknown. And that creates like a metaphysical like actual energetic space. There's just nothing you're attached to.
Uh, you know, if you are letting go of those attachments, you're creating this whole kind of clearing and it's like so, so, so uncomfortable as well because we. We as humans, we, you know, our ego loves to clinging to things or attached to stuff or identities. I'm a lawyer, I'm like this, or like, we love that stuff. It feels so uncomfortable just being this fully expanded. I don't know. Right. And I know I notice an interesting thing when.
I was personally playing in that, and I, I still play in it cause I actually love it because I, I know in my body somewhere that is like, that is where the magic happens. But I've learned how to trust there over time. Right. So even now, I just made a decision to let go of one of our most foundational programs that we've won for two and a half years. And everyone's like, hang on to the wall walls. Like, what is happening? Like, is she okay? What's coming next? You know?
And, and I'm like, I d. And it makes me feel so uncomfortable because they wanna fill the stakes. You know, people get engaged. It's like when you getting married, people get pregnant. It's like, when's the baby due? It's like we're constantly trying to fill that space. And when we do that with our life, it's like we have no room to create. And I think learning to navigate those in between points is, is the exciting part.
They're so uncomfortable and, but again, looking back, That's why having mentors and having a community when you are in there so amazing because on your own it's pretty tough. And that little voice tells you like, you should just go back to the job. You need to get that full time paycheck. You know, what are you doing? It doesn't make any logical sense usually. And if you then got start to reference.
To parents with the programming or a partner that's not in this kind of space or in that work, and you start going to them for guidance. It's like they've got their own agenda, to keep you safe. And so I think having a community, people who it's they, they don't have a particular agenda for you. It's just like, hey, this is what we are here to navigate. And one thing I love.
I love what you said about taking the pressure off because the moment you put it's gotta make money, it's gotta do this, It's gotta be my one purpose forever, like we're done. We've missed the whole point because there's no playfulness there, there's no creativity there. And nothing can get created from that kind of context of like stress, financial pressure. Like you can just feel it in your body.
It's like, ugh, everything starts contracting and whatever you build from that anyway, it's gonna invite in more of that. Cause if it, you know, if you try to build a business to make money, it's like, You're, it's forever gonna have that energy in it, imbued in it. So I think that the playfulness and some, the distinction we use in our programs is like turning over stone. So when people are truly in, you know, we talk about it being there.
This like, just, this feels like you're on the edge of a cliff. You wanna hang onto everything and you're just looking over and you're like, Oh my gosh. And when you're in there, it's like, firstly, how can you look after your. Having a community that truly are there to look after you and not push you on a certain path. Learning how to re like your own nervous system. I know you do a lot of meditation, like learning how to ground.
Everything in your body's probably gonna be in flight mode or freeze mode. You know, the body's gonna tell you it's really unsafe. So how can we ground in that time and then invite and play to start to like, we call it turning over stones, right? So it's like if you have no idea what's next, can we hold that space? And can we just start turning over stones?
Can we just sit in possibilities and in our programs that looks like sometimes people are like, I dunno, I'm just, I'm just gonna run a webinar on this thing. I don't even know why I just. And and then they go and then you know, their brain goes off to like a business and I'm like, I don't care about business. Let's just do that. Let's just see Cuz, cuz you have to like turn over those stones and that's like untack now what it is. People look at it and think, well these whatever they think.
But I'm like, you know that that was a workshop and a cafe with three of my best friends. That's what it was like. I was just like, I think I need to like share this. And that's 15 pages of notes. Cause I was so nervous. That's what it was. And the moment we put that pressure or need to know the plan or need to know the 25 steps ahead of what it's gonna be, we have literally lost the opportunity to create and to discover.
And that's like, and, and over time, like learning how to navigate this these times, it's like, I think that there's such critical times. Cause you can go back to what you know, Or you can create and discover and most people like programming just forces you back to what you know. So those, there's a lot of distinctions in there, but I love for like, who have you got around you? How are you looking after yourself? Cause like it is gonna be uncomfortable and.
How can we play, How can we discover, what kind of questions can we ask to, like, what wants to come through? Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah. And, and, and as you're saying, like it's, it doesn't always come with comfort. It doesn't always come with certainty. It doesn't always. And, and I love the possibility, you know, like, and I do this for myself. That's why I, I, I know this like. Playfulness. And I actually, like, I had someone ask me like a while ago, what was my business?
Five year, five year plan? And I have, I don't know, the two weeks plan. So I'm just going to, you know, like, and, and I'm like, cool. For those that need that like five years plan to be able to, to have a direction or something, awesome. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with someone that feels like they found their purpose. But getting fixed on that is, is the biggest thing.
And, and it's what you were saying, that's the, like, going back to what we know, instead of being, being fully open and trusting that we are co-creating with the universe, and this of course comes like to more esoteric, spiritual, energetic like perspective, then it's like, well, I, I'm playing in this field. Um, and I don't know where I'm going because I don't know what the feel, I don't understand it enough to be able to say like, Oh, I'm just going to do this, and this is the way.
It's like, well, no. Like, and I know, like I lived in so many different countries, I like, you know, like I, I, I kept on changing things and I'm like, Oh, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that. And I'm like, How, How come am I doing this? I'm like, I dunno. But I trust and I trust and I trust the science that my body are telling me and I have done enough work myself to understand. What's the deepest part of me telling me that and what's my conditioning and what's my programming?
And I think that it's so important to be able to, to understand how to navigate these times of not knowing of, of in between all those times of poor potentiality. Because as you say, like it can be a lot. Mm oh, so, oh my gosh. Everything just that you're just so articulated so beautifully is like, That mastery of like, uh, is this myself? Is this my attrition? Is this resistance? Is this ego like, That just takes time and it takes practice.
And sometimes you make a decision, You're like, Oh, okay, that's interesting. I think maybe I did make that one for me. Or, you know, and that, and it's like that willingness to just be in that discovery with yourself. And trust is hu. Trust is a, a huge, like that word is exactly what it takes. Self trust, right? So, and, and trust of life, trust of the universe. Trust that no matter where you go. You'll be supported.
Or if it's a rejection, it's simply a redirection and that what is actually truly meant for you will not miss you like to develop. And I know for myself, I had to like develop that belief system over time. Like that wasn't, I had, I had come from a lot of certainty and a lot of control most of my life and relinquishing that to truly discover. And the cool thing when you really start to build the tru and the openness and all of that is like, it's so.
Do plans, like, honestly, like for example, like this year untapped, we do our financial projections, right? We, we map out like, you know, what we'll be offering and when and all of that fun stuff. Cause that's what helps the team. I, I'm similar, I, I navigate similarity very intuitively and it can look quite reactive sometimes when you're fully that flow. Cause it's like something, it's like I'm closing that. We're moving to Costa Rica, people are like, Wait, what?
And when you are like really in that flow, it's quite a lot for people to, you know, get a grasp on. So over time, in terms of the leadership school, I had to learn how to still manage intellect and make sure there was still some consistency to some extent whilst never, you know, straying from like my truth. But recently, you know, we do our financial projections to make sure we can pay all the team and all of that fun stuff from business, our expenses, be responsible for that.
And then, yeah, two weeks ago I flipped the whole thing on his head. Right. And, and, and it's like, wait, what? We just had this plan. And it's like, it's, it's easy to re. That's not so easy to navigate uncertainty and to listen to the soul and to let that come through. That's always the, like most, like that's the deepest work. But to then create a new and manage logistics like that, it's easy.
So for those of you who maybe crave that certainty, it's like, You can still create your own sense of certainty, like internally or within your own life. Like just ask what you need. When we move around the world and I just at tune to where we are meant to go, I still create certainty. As soon as I get to a new place, I'm like, Cool. I always need a co-working space cause Internet's terrible. Like I need that to feel safe.
Um, you know, I need somewhere to exercise or someone to do my morning ceremony. Like I just make sure I've got my things. But I don't let like that need for exact knowingness like hold me back. And I think that's the, the piece for anyone who's like really like, Wow, I'm, that's like pretty far from where I'm operating. Like the question is, if you could trust that, how can you still build in some of that certainty for yourself? What do you still need to feel safe?
Cuz you can still make plans and you can still give yourself what you need. But ensuring that you're still following that truth. Yeah, it's like, it's that combination. I think that's helped me over time. Cuz you know, I do still love, still have good plans, still love, good bit of certainty, like, you know, . Yeah. But I know how to do that. Like that's default kind of program. Yeah. And you know, like I, I usually say I have structure within everything that I'm flowing.
Like my, my structure is, is my. Like my food actually, and my drinking of water is my structure and everything inside of that, that there's flow. But I do have a structure because I know that I thrive in a structure. It's not the same. Like I know I wake up and I do my practice. That doesn't change. Whatever I am, like I'm traveling, I'm doing that. I'm like, I'm a home. I'm doing that weekend, I'm doing that.
Like it doesn't matter where, what I am or, or when I'm, I have that because that helps me to thrive. And I think that that's so important and I want to touch lastly on one of the things that you just mentioned, and I think it's a touch subject for a lot of people. You should touch on the financial aspect, working with the team, making the plan.
What, you know, like a, our resistance and a lot of times with that financial like aspect of things, it's like, oh, like planning, paying people taxes of this and as well, The playfulness of that space. And I, I, I want to know, like from your perspective, because the world is, is changing and this is actually like, there's a lot of, of systems that are collapsing.
There's a lot of different things that are happening and, and I know for myself, and I know for a lot of people, money has been a big, big topic on how to work with it. What, what are you working on in this space? Mm. So I love that. And it's like, It is going to, I think it is changing on a global level. We're gonna see my hope, we're gonna see new values. I hope we're gonna see new systems.
Um, and at the end of the day, like the actual reasons, whether it's digital currency, whatever it is, like it's still, it's still gonna be around in the subsets. It's how we've learned to trade value or whatever. And I think it, it is a resource. So the reason we include it in all of our work, and it is something I'm really, really passionate about and have been on a huge journey with because, It is often the very next thing.
It's like, Okay, I found this thing, or I wanna do this, and then it's the financial conversation of the resources to do it. You know, whether it's a business or whatever. It's, And for me personally, in order to actually create untapped, one of the things I had to heal and go really deep on was my relationship to. It was, I had had it very separate from me. I judged it, I judged making it. I like, I, it was very separate from me.
And therefore the more you judged something, you never had access to it, right? Cause you've pushed yourself away from it. And so, in order for me to create untapped, that's where my whole money journey began. And really looking at my deep programming around, you know, I, my mom and I went to Cambodia when we were 15 and we supported in that community. And so I. Like certain beliefs about making money and being of service and they sat separately.
For me, it was like I couldn't be of service and make money because that didn't work in the paradigm that I was introduced to that work. And so it was actually like a bringing them back together. Like, okay, we can actually be in service and create money and recirculate that wealth for the world that we wanna see. Like they go hand in hand. Um, I did a lot of money mindset, which I think is awesome. And my work has probably is starting.
And I think if you are like really new to the money conversation, like that's where you get to go. It's like, cool, I've avoided this area completely in my life. I need to look at it. I need to be responsible for it. I need to know what's coming in now, my values around it, my beliefs critical, like a must. Uh, and, and then that deeper energetic work has been my most recent journey with money. And that's probably the last year. It's like. The actual subtleties of the energy, of, of money.
It's like it is an energy and it's constantly flowing like it wants to be circulated in the world and really looking at our energy, that relationship. But if we're in scarcity, like, and even if we're like, you know, siphoning off our savings and things and we're not circulating it, and that's not to say just like spending money. Uh, we are contracted and we're not actually in the, the frequency with money to work with it. And a very masculine paradigm is accumulation.
Accumulation, and I'm all for that as well. I have assets and all these things, but actually it's like there's a lot of money e everywhere and are we energetically available to it and expanding ourselves, like personally on a body level to, for how much wealth we can hold. Because for me, what it started to come down to, once I worked through all my beliefs and things, I then hit financial thermostats. Like, okay, that's enough now.
Like I can't, like, you know, now, and then I, you know, fall into self sabotage, get rid of it, self sabotage launches, all of that. Because I had hit a place in my body where it was like, okay, that's, we don't feel safe anymore than that, and. Beyond money mindset. That's been my most recent evolution and the part that I've been working on most healing with it is like, is it safe for me to hold that much money?
Is it safe for me to be a really good steward of money and to put it into causes, people, and places I believe in, Right? Is it safe for me to do that? Like, that's a big responsibility as well, and really healing and learning how to like, regulate your body of how much wealth you can hold. And it's, it's pretty, um, subtle, but it's really also really simple. Like when you start, you just say, say a number.
That you are calling in if you are into manifestation or, and, and just see how your body responds and if it contracts. It's like that's your energetic work of like learning how to regulate, learning how to expand into that wealth because it's always available from a frequency level. Money's just circulating everywhere. But if we are not tuned to it and we are not available to it, Then we're only gonna get as much as we can. You know, it is super subtle if I explain that too well.
But it's like increasing that capacity to receive wealth as well as look after and do the logisticals thing with it. Yeah, and I think even in the financial world, there's a lot of intellectual conversations still about money. You know, where to least yields, etf, index funds, crypto, It's, it's, it's all great. But these are like way deeper energetic conversation with money. And when you tap into that, like your whole relationship with money can actually change.
And it becomes like a really intellectual thing to like, Wow, this is a resource. Wow. This is something like, Far out. If I truly heal this and really can create this wealth, like I can literally shift the world with this resource. And that's pretty exciting, you know, because if you're listening to this, you are clearly someone who cares about humanity. You are not being Brian's space if you did it. And I know that. And if we get the resources into your hands, the money's just a resource.
It doesn't make you anything, it just amplifies who you are. We get that resource into your hands, into your space, you start circulating it. Like, that's like literally one way we can transform the planet for the world that we want to see, that we talk about. But a lot of us right now don't have the resources to, you know, we have got different resources, time, money, energy. So that's one resource that we can truly shift humanity with.
So I think it's a, my recent work has been very energetic and very subtle, but I started with a lot of mindset. And just like radical responsibility, cuz I'm simply different I just judged it and avoided it. So I think it depends where you are in that kind of journey. Yeah. Mm. Yeah. So beautiful. And you know, like I, I would love to explore more of, of this. Like I know that, you know, like we don't have much more time to, to this conversation. We might have another conversation if that comes.
But you just mentioned something at the very end that I think it's so important for everyone listening and. You actually need to act like there's a conscious action . You actually need to do things and not just think about it. Not just having that idea and as you were saying before, being able to go and find that support that community or tribe or however you want to call it, to be able to. Hold you in that space as well.
That is so important because I do feel similarly with everything that we've been talking about, the space for transformation, the space for potentiality, the space for actually being, if we want to call it a magnet, for all of that energy, whether that is with money or not, like to be able to open ourselves to that and to be able to trust, that's so important. So for everyone that is listening, It's resonating with what you've been sharing. Where can they find more about you?
Where can they actually go and work with you? Mm, we've got a few resources. So on the untapped website, so untapped nz, there's some resources, some videos, some blog posts, and you can see the courses and programs available there. And then on Instagram, which has not been my. My calling or my platform, but we're there and we showing up. I love stories. I quite like if you want to come behind the scenes in the days of what we're doing and things, that's Instagram.
So that's untapped, uh, with Brian. And then the podcast is the most recent conversation that we've been in creation of, and there's a couple of seasons there, so that's just untapped on Spotify or iTunes or wherever it is. You get to a magical downloads. Um, and yeah, that's, that, that for me has been one of the most exciting platforms to make you as this conversation.
You just go a little bit deeper on some of these conversations and bring together these esoteric, you know, really deep concepts into practical applications. So exactly what you do here with contraception. So there is a, and there's pretty many courses and things here. It starts, so plenty of. Definitely, and I do recommend go and check out those courses. Go and check out, uh, the political style. Actually listen to I think half of the episodes, and I really recommend like go and check them out.
You can learn more. There's, I think on the second season one that you go deeper into your own story. So if you want to learn a little bit more on that, go, go and check it out. And I do recommend if you're listening and you're finding yourself resonating with any of. Do the work, whether that is with us, with her, with anybody else, actually go and do that because there's nothing preventing you. From doing your own work rather than you. So go and think for that support. So yes, thank you.
The world needs you and you are worthy event, you know, like it's a joy, like personal growth, that stuff for the collective good. Like both women. And yeah. Thank you so much for your work and your contribution, Brian, and having me here. Thank you. Thank you for your time and looking forward to more conversations. Keep on enjoying beautiful, uh, America. They cover there in cost, Africa or whatever else the universe takes you. So thank you for your time.
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