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from sustainability to wellbeing and everything related to conscious living. Our mission is to empower you to be the change that you want to see in the world. Welcome to a new episode of the conscious action podcast. We are still here in India, salon on what we call level two, uh, this current pandemic or this current situation that we're going through. Um, different places in the world are in a very different circumstance.
Um, for this episode, I have the privilege of finding a guest that in the moment is in Canada. So we are going to be hearing also what the situation has been there. And, um, I want to thank you, Phillip, for being able to, to be here with me in this conversation. And I met Philip not around
two years
ago or something. Yes. Um, um, it was, it was wonderful. I feel it was here in New Zealand doing a few workshops on the retreat and I was able to take part and I'm going to, we're going to talk a little bit about this later, but I want fill up just as I do with every episode for you to introduce yourself so that everybody that is listening to us, who you are.
Yeah, I appreciate that. Um, I wish there were a convenient box that I could put myself in, but, um, but there just isn't um, I suppose my, my whole life has been shaped by a desire to live as fully as I can. Um, I made up a word, um, when I was a teenager eleuthero maniac and I mean, someone, someone with a mania for freedom and, you know, I, I seem to be hypersensitive to the things that impair my freedom and then I want, I want to find out about them.
I want to confront them and, and see if I can find my way through them and, and undo them. Um, so in that quest, I've written a couple of books and I've developed a series of practices that are really designed to help people back to the body, overcoming cultural barriers, cultural realms of desensitivity that we've taken into the body and they feel normal to us and they are depleting our responsiveness to life. So that's a sort of, I don't know, nail sketch,
and I love that word. Like amazing made that board. I haven't heard that before and I will, I will start perhaps using it. If I remember it.
Eleuthero Romania or aloof
Romania. Um, can you share a little bit about, um, where you grew up and how was, um, your family and how did you discover this path? Was that something that your family foster or something that are just within you?
Yeah, I mean, I, I w I was blessed as a kid really, because I grew up in the suburbs in the fifties, but it was, it was on the edge of farm land. So I had this wildness, I gotta hop on my bike and in five minutes be in a wild ravine. Um, and, and I, I always came back to myself. You know, if I had time I'd head down to that, there was this little spring-fed Creek that was full of mystery and frogs and pheasants. And anyway, it was, it was lush. So I, I, um, I was blessed by that access.
Um, but I, you know, it was the fifties, it was the suburbs. It was, it was a fantasy when I wasn't in my, uh, my refuge, I was in this culture of conformity and it really seemed to me that the adults were playing out this fantasy and were encouraging me to join in and I couldn't do it. Um, and as a teenager, I felt, you know, those constraints, those. Shackles that guided my thinking and guided my breathing, guided my responsiveness and, and I wanted to break free.
And I, I somehow knew that the issue wasn't with me, I somehow knew the issue was my culture. And so the only way I could, um, prevent myself from, from going down and losing the part of my life that mattered most to me was to leave my culture. So when I was 18, I went to England and I bought a bike and I got on my bicycle and headed off for Japan. I cycled through Europe and the middle east and India and, and Japan. I was free of my culture.
I w I, I went through so many different ways of understanding what it means to be human and the, you know, I was gone for two years and it was only when I came home that I experienced culture shock for the first time. And it was that strange thing of being back in this orderly, familiar neighborhood and city. And yet it was so arbitrary and, and strange and familiar all at the same time. And so I gained the ability for myself to post questions about the things that I had normalized to.
I think the most difficult thing is to question what. I've just habituated to, and so that, you know, that's set my journey and it took decades, but I feel, I feel it's, um, it got where
it needed to go. Aye. Aye. Aye. Biggest in a sentence, I did something similar that was, I knew that there was more to life than what I knew. And I was so privileged of the family and the parents that I had, that they actually put me on this path. It wasn't that I wanted to escape them, but I was like, there's so much monitor life and going to live in our countries and traveling and open my eyes to different ways of living, different ways of being and that self-discovery.
Um, and it's interesting as well, something that you just mentioned that I think that it's very important for this times. That is that culture shock. I actually, when I used to volunteer, when I was younger for this youth organization, that creative exchanges around the world, um, the most important part of the culture show, um, program that we have wasn't for people going to the new country. It was when they were coming back the Gus.
And I think now that isn't going to be the truth for everyone that once the lock down in different countries, whatever that look ends and people will resume with their lives. Things are going to be different. There's this, as you say, like this, it seems like familiar, you know, it it's, it's the normal, but it's not the same. Um, the level of understanding that this reintegration process will live is going to be very, very important because this has been a shock to everyone's system.
And now at least here in New Zealand, that things have started to reopen. It's like, okay, now go back to normal. And people that use this time, how are their circumstances were more challenging or easier then got used to that. So now they're different. And now coming
back. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how it is there, but in Toronto, The city buses are almost empty, but there are more bicycles and, and the pace of things is different. And the awareness of people around you as different. I mean, you know, two months ago you you'd walk down a downtown sidewalk and no one would see anyone else. I mean, you're just in your own little bubble and now you're just, you're aware of other people you're seeing and that's very different as well.
So, uh, God, I, I, I, I hope that our values, that how our idea of success, because what, what guides your, your actions. Is what you consider to be success because you're always trying, even if success means peace of heart, that's, that's what guides you of success means making as much money as fast as you can. That's what guides you and the value system that upholds the, the idea of success that had all of society on this hamster wheel going, going, going, and suddenly we're not going.
And there is bird song and quiet time and books to read. And, and w you know, if there can be an adjustment in not because the, the values that the craving, um, that is driven us has, it's not just been harmful to the world around us. It's been harmful to our own vitality in our own lives. Yes, maybe that will be valued instead.
Yeah. I actually think, uh, here that some things cover started. There are some people that before where this so-called hamster wheel, they, they were chasing work and success in terms of money. Now I've seen some of them saying like, oh my God can, again, the cars, like, you know, it's like they actually, something has shifted. And so for them, like the, as you said, noticing that the birds actually sin and they do all the time, it's just that people were noticing
well, part of it too, is. It's so quiet there aren't the cars there. Aren't the planes there, aren't the trucks there. There's not the machinery. And, and that quiet is just such a gift. You know, if we, if we appreciated the effect that a noisy mechanized environment has on our nervous system, we would be taxing noise, creators way we would tax polluters and noise. Pollution is real things.
So that disengagement from the mechanized pulse of a city, which is where I live into this quiet, where you can actually hear the birds singing is extraordinary.
Yes. Yes I am. I'm one of those optimists of life that I do believe that we are going to learn. As humanity, we're going to learn so much from this time. It's been this reset that it's not full change, but it's this time that I didn't think that there were some guns to be able to happen. Like I've been talking on, on workshops about the possibility of that being, what would the world be?
If we could press pause for two weeks, everybody go home, rethink reshape your idea of who you are, what is, what is valuable and what's not, and then let's move on from there. And this was kind of that then I do think that there's so much insight that we are again here and it's going to take some time of course, to integrate that into reality. But yeah. I am super, super optimistic that we are learning so much from the we're going to come back to ourselves and come back to our interconnected.
Yeah, I hope so. I mean, my, I, you know, to some extent, share your optimism, but, um, we have been on the road to disembark agreement for 6,000 years, you know, ever since we turned away from the mother and turned away from the earth and, and shifted our devotion to the gods in the sky and the father, um, we've been moving away from the body and into our heads. And that's a very deep, deep habit to begin to question, to find your way out of.
And there's a part of me that I guess I just, until our relationship to the body changes, how was our relationship to the world going to change until we find more gentleness with the body, until we stop listening to the body, sitting up on our heads and come back to the body and feel how it feels the world around us until you feel the world around you through the body, you can know about the interrelationships, but you're not going to be moved by them.
You're not going to be guided by the gifts they have to bring you. So that remains a big question for me. And I think people, I think people understand. They live in their heads and that that's not actually necessary to be a human being. Um, the question is how to find our way out of that.
Um, and I actually know, I remember when I went on the retreat that it was here in the city, just next to outline in Waikiki item, that it's such a wonderful nature of space. Um, and it was so interesting and the admin, I would love for you to talk a little bit more about our relationship with the body, with the breath memes. But one of the things that I, that it was super interesting for me, that I spent a lot of fear, my own path returning to my body. Um, we turned into.
Having a deeper connection with my body and understanding feelings, understanding how there's different aspects of it. And I was always going to the heart. I was always going to go into the body, go into the hand. Um, I remember during the retreat, it was like, okay, you go down to the perineum and it was such a different experience.
And I would love for you to share a little bit more about this, this process of returning and trouble, our body and the importance of it and how for people that don't have much of a relationship with our body, how can they do.
Once you understand that we sit in our heads and we are obsessed with organizing. You begin to see that what we want to do. We want to organize the world and get it right for us. We want to organize our lives. We want to organize our emotions. So we have the right ones. We want to organize our thoughts. We organize everything. And so, and so the impulse to become more embodied, tends to be organized by the head.
And, you know, as I experienced it, if you go from the head to the heart, the heart remains sort of subject to the head because the head knows when the heart should open and how it should soften. So, so there's this. That can remain. It's very different for me. If you grow up deeper into the body there, I mean, there is a brain in the belly that, that we've been finding out more about it's called the second brain, but it's our first brain in terms of evolution.
It was there long before the, the cranial brain was, and it's, it's the brain that is most essential to our being because you know, the cranial brain can shut off and you can stay alive because you're still able to digest and, and Norris the body. But if the brain in the belly, um, is fatally wounded, you die because you've lost your being. And so that journey. And it's not, you know, it's not a journey of sitting in the head, looking past the heart, down into the body.
It's a journey whereby you can actually allow the center of your awareness to descend into the body, into this cavern of sensitivity and arrive on the peritoneum. And when, when you come to rest there, as I experienced it, you're coming to rest on the ground of your being. When I come home to myself, it's it's to the pelvic floor that I descend when I, when I'm looking for my deepest truth, that's where I come to rest. And the heart.
I mean, if the heart isn't expressing your being, what's an express. And if it's not in touch with that realm of your being, how can it express your being? And I think so. I, I, I, it's not that I don't feel the heart's important. Absolutely. But it's, to me, I feel the heart as the portal, through which my wholeness meets the world's Wallace, and it's such a clear relationship, but if I'm not in my wholeness, it's like, I'm prizing the heart open the way.
You'd try to force a flower bud in the balloon, and it's not supported by the strength and groundedness and presence of your being.
Um, and then, uh, um, and I would love for you to, to expand a little bit more on that concept of, of hollowness, because it's such. It's such an important word for me and such an important concept, but I don't know if everybody has experienced it or even has heard about it. Would you ever be able to, to expand a little bit more on that?
The question is, can I expand a little bit more on it? Well, I get carried away because I, my second book is called radical wholeness and the premise of the book is that as a culture, we are blind to wholeness and we have lost what it is to feel the present as a whole, to speak from our homeless, to listen from our homeless. And we, we even, we don't even, we don't even accurately conceptualize what wholeness is because for us, wholeness is something that's contained within.
So even, even when we speak of the wholeness of the self, we speak of being whole in body, mind and spirit as though, well, there are these three aspects to the self and when each of them is allowed to flourish and coming to the balance with the others, we will be whole, what about the universe? Doesn't it have a part in your wholeness? So this, the idea that you can organize what's inside you and be whole is toxic.
Wholeness is all, there is everything affects everything with such subtlety and inevitability. Everything leans on everything and we belong to it all and all of it belongs to us. And there is no separation. So wholeness is not something you can achieve. It's already there. You can't. It's it's waiting for you. All you can do then is surrender to it. And that surrender happens for me in the body.
I can feel my body change as I dropped down and reconnect with the earth and find my pelvic floor and hum to the presence. So my wholeness does not stop at my skin. Wholeness has no boundary. It extends like a field and the body is a resonator. It's just, you know, we want the body to be a machine or we want the body to do things or we want the body is, is, is a resonator.
And when it's empty, When all of its internal conflicts have been resolved when the tensions have softened, when the flesh has, has opened to welcome the world, it's, uh, you know, it's a little ago, I've kind of seen hot. It's a little like a singing bowl and the presence, you know, he's always going like that. And the body feels the present with an acuity that the conscious mind can begin to grasp. But what in our culture, what happens in this? This is what I was feeling as a, as a teenager.
It's it's, we, we, we stuffed the ball, the body full of tensions and anxieties and concerns and defenses. And so the president is still going like this, but we don't even notice it. And so to come back to homeless is to recover. The spaciousness of your being and your being is naturally spacious. There is room within the body for all the worlds to be felt. And when you, when you heal that relationship with the world, then you are surrendering to your wholeness.
You're so beautiful. I just got goosebumps listening to that. And partly it's because I resonate so much with that. I, one of the things of why for me, I resonated a lot with the Buddhist teachings was because I, I really resonated with the idea that I was complete. I was home. I am what it's called. I am born with Buddha nature. And we all have that. We, we all have that. It's just getting rid of every bale that it's preventing me from realizing that I already have, that I am already connected.
I already faced within me. Um, and I love that. I sort of, because I worked a lot with sound with singing bowls with, by ration frequency, because I do experience that I am that I am not, I am not this, this is part of my being of course, but if I experienced it from an app perspective, there's no scheme. There's no body here.
There's no boundary. Yeah. Yeah.
It's incredible. NEC I think. And for me a lot of times, and I wish the world in this, like, you know, like, and of course there's millions of people that do, but getting that power back to people to understand that we already have all of the answers, we are really, we're really having this wholeness. There's nothing that is missing.
No, no. And I mean, what is, so what it is is we've D sense. We've been desensitized to our true natures. We've been desensitized to the wholeness, uh, to which we belong. And every, every exercise I teach, it's not about adding anything. It's about softening something within you that. Sync, just a little more gently into reality. And you know, the body is 65% water.
We are utterly fluid beings and we consolidate the body and, and forget that the body becomes a thing as you were saying, or, or we, we brace against the world around us and, and lose the awareness of our permeability. We are an exchange with the world around us at every moment. I mean, every breath you take into the body, you are receiving a gift of exhalations from forests and they are becoming you.
And then you breathe out in exchange, a gift of carbon dioxide that will in time likely become wood. And, and there's this continuous exchange and we are permeable. Lose that and fear it. So there's a, there's a tribe in Africa, the Anglo, every, um, that I write about in my book and, and anthropologists have described them as having a radical indeterminacy of selfhood. Now we hear that and we think that's describing madness to, to have a radical in. We want to determine who we are.
We want to know that and fix that and get that right. And know, that's not self knowledge. That's self armoring because it's the world. The calls you and your false reality. And as you come into relationship with a tree and you feel its presence, you are illuminated buyer or a child playing with chalk on a sidewalk or a star in the night sky. As you come into felt relationship with each particular of the world around you, you are illuminated.
And the more deeply you come into felt relationship with the world around you. The more deeply you discover who you are, and it is a fluid thing, and it's being summoned and called forth by the world around you,
would you be able to fill up to, to share with us, uh, an exercise or the practice that we could all do in our everyday life, whatever exercise you feel like would be confrontational.
Do you want a short one or do you want one that's five minutes to one that's 10 minutes,
whatever we come to town. So we showed up that you choose
well, here's, here's one of, one of the things that our culture does is it disconnects us from our relationship with the earth. So we are an incredibly ungrounded culture and we don't rest on the earth. We don't feel ourselves coming completely to rest on the earth because there's all this energy up here that is held away from the earth. And the question then, you know, is what, what would it feel like?
What would it mean to let that energy to send and rest on the earth and renew that relationship? So there is an exercise I do that. I call the trickle down effect that looks at that. So those are with us. I'd invite you just to bring your attention, your awareness to the breath and just feel the breath as it moves into the body and releases out the breath is like an ocean way. And there's no part of the body that wave can reach into and gather and help surrender into fluidity.
And as the breath wave increasingly moves through the whole of the body, it shows up where your energy is. And I want to buy energy. I mean, your emotions, your thoughts, your, your tension. And so there may be, you know, a little spot in the throat that's held and, and stuck a little bit, or maybe a little place of anxiety, like a little fuzzball of anxiety within the body, maybe a little realm of jitteriness.
So there's this anticipation that runs through our bodies that that's going quite next. When next town next wearness tugging us out of the present and ourselves become jittery and how to just feel that without. In any way, judging it without, in any way, asking it to be other than what it is, feel your energy, and honor it, feel it as specifically as you can locate it, as specifically as you can bring your awareness to the energy of the legs, that connection we have with the earth.
And just notice how the energy shows up in the, and for those listening to this, if you want to stand up, you'll feel that energy more clearly. It's harder to feel as you sit and bring your awareness to the energy of your thoughts. So not, not to the thoughts themselves, but to the energy that drives those thoughts, the energy behind your thoughts. So. Opening your eyes on the wizard of Oz behind the curtain, and you feel that energy there.
And again, honor it located as specifically as you can feel and feel all the places in your body where the energy feels a little stuck, a little caught, a little hooked maybe, and give them your love and give them your unconditional acceptance and honor them. So bringing the awareness to the whole of your body and your energy shows up in it like a star field at night in all its diversity in all its specificity.
And then gently, gently give that energy permission to begin to melt and you feel it melt within the body. You feel it liquefy. And as it melts, it begins to trickle down inside the body where water trickles down through pebbles and it melts in the head and trickles down mounts and the torso and the legs. There's a cascade of energy descending inside the body. And you feel the first trickle arrive on the soles of your feet and it pools there.
And those pools grow as the energy is released and descends, and they rise inside the legs like a tide, and still you're noticing anywhere in the body that the energy is a little stuck, a little hell. And you give it to your love. You give it the love and orphan yearns to feel. And as it feels that love it too, will soften and melt and begin to descend through the body.
And there is a cascade washing down through the body and that fluid energy rises inside the legs eventually to the pelvic floor. And still you're noticing anywhere in the body of the energy is a little held. You give it permission to melt as gently as you can. You feel it to send and adjoins that deep pool rising through the pelvic bowl. And it rises eventually to the top of the pelvic.
Not as the last few trickles descend, feel the spaciousness within your being like the spaciousness within the singing wall and all the world can be felt there and then gently bring your awareness to that fluid energy in the legs and the pelvic bowl and discover for yourself how to give that energy permission to come completely to rest. What is the risk for you in allowing that energy to deeply, deeply Russ? And you give it permission to rest and you feel the weight of it.
Come to rest on the soles of your feet and it rests more deeply still, and you feel it join the earth and I's had arrests on the earth in the earth. You feel it also coming to rest in the press. You may even feel yourself held by the present and be aware that within your body, there is a grounded-ness that support.
Specificity and meaning that groundedness below each needs the other deeply, deeply rest with that spaciousness above and notice how you feel and notice how the world around you feels and understand that you can do this for yourself at any time. You can feel your energy and honor it and give it permission to melt. And release and come to rest on the earth. And that is what I call a trickle down exercise.
So beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing that sort of size. I go fill it. And my buddy one to this familiarity of when I did this exercise during the retreat that set it out, a memory that, that my body already had them. And I hadn't done this specific exercise in this way now a few years. And that's, it's that power and I'm just feeling it from my. I said racist to my pelvic floor, like the power that is contained there
and the body remembers it and, and it feels good and that makes it easier to come back to and come back.
Um, okay. So for everyone listening, if you, if you haven't done this, perhaps predisposing to this, to this audio and just to give yourself time to come back, um, to be able to through the I'm fully experiencing it, because the conversation here we'll continue on some dance. It's nice to be able to give yourself the time to be with the experience. That is the power of retreats. That's the power of taking workshops.
And as the part of this time, that most of us have been quote unquote, forced to retreat or to be at
home.
So I, I wanted to just start getting into the, the last part of the conversation and, and I wanted to know you're, you're writing now in your book, would you be able to share what's the direction? What are the topics that you are exploring within that book?
Well, the new book is a departure for me. Um, there is. So much research that's come out in the last 15 years that has re-evaluated the role muscle plays in health. It turns out that muscle creates hormones, peptides, but like hormones. When it works. When, when, when muscle is working, the whole body is affected, your mental health is affected. You know, your, your insulin resistance is affected your, it goes on and on and on it's.
So for centuries, we've known that exercise is a good thing to do. It, it, it improved so much, but we've never understood why. So that's come to light. Like peptides were the, the Maya Keens is what they're called were only discovered in the early two thousands. So there's all this research and there are layers and layers of it that show that the epidemics that afflict modern society, whether it's obesity or diabetes or arthritis or Alzheimer's, uh, breast cancer.
So many of them are mitigated by muscular strength. So it's like, it's like a revolution in our understanding. So that's one side or the other side of it is research shows that the most effective way to get stronger takes half an hour a week. If you do it properly for an hour, and it's, it's a glorious embodied experience because what you do is you go into an exercise and you're going very, very slowly until you fail until your muscle cannot hold it any longer.
And that is such a deep encounter with the self, that moment of failure. That's where the story wants to say, oh, I can't go any further. And you drop into the body and you keep going. So it's a, it's a gorgeous, rich exploration. Um, and, and, you know, I've experienced it. You get stronger and stronger with half an hour a week. So. It's a, it's sort of a double sided gift that people don't know about.
So, um, I was introduced to it by, um, a guy, Andre Yaka, vanco, who runs a gym that specializes this in Toronto. And, um, he started writing a book and then he decided we should collaborate on it. So it's been this huge adventure for me, I've discovered so much, so I'm excited about it, but it's, you know, it's certainly different from my first two books, which is also exciting.
Yeah. And it's interesting that dimension, that type of movement, because it's been my main practice for the last 17 years has been Tibetan yoga. And there so much within that practice that can be done in a lot of different ways, but that's your low. Um, and then they're saying of the body and I, and I remember one that we were doing this, this, um, this exercise and my teacher said, you're holding back. You're supposed to fall down. He was like, don't hold back.
Like you would have fall down if you're not falling down, you're holding back. Beautiful. And I remember that and it was like, my mind had to get out of the way.
If you're in your head, you can't go to failure. You think you've gone to failure, but it's the story that takes over and actually be in the body and see it through to that moment. When you are, you are, you have failed. You fall down. I love it.
And it's something that a lot of times I say to the people doing my classes that it's in person or now online is whenever we're doing an exercise of balance, just balancing on one foot is yes, I'm trying to get us to work with being balanced with our breath. But the main thing that I want to get out of that exercise for that posture is what am I doing in my myself? Especially as I started to fall down, or if I feel down, what am I telling myself? Can I be okay with like, oh, okay.
And getting back into that leg. Yeah. Beautiful. So looking forward to the next, this next book that will come out to be able to start getting towards the end of this conversation, because we could literally check for, um, just a few questions that I, that I always ask guests. What is one resource that you would recommend for people that are listening?
Um, I mean, I, you know, I'd love people to find out more about my work, not, you know, not from a, uh, a trust, not from a self-centered perspective, but, but the word. Talks about these issues as no other work does. Um, you know, my book, radical wholeness, um, is my, you know, maps out my journey into freedom in a way that I'm hoping will help others. And it's, you know, it's not about working on yourself.
It's about recognizing your environment and understanding how it lives within you and, and realizing there's nothing wrong with you. It's how you've been conditioned and you can feel that and softened through it. So whether they go to radical homeless, my book, or there's an app that I developed@tap.life, T E P p.life, uh, and the app is, is practices that we will, we'll also. Moving the same direction near the phone.
Yeah. And I, it's just always the interesting thing off of being able to share that word, understanding, um, and like how sometimes the same thing, not one thing to, to appear self center or not one thing to try to, to self-promote. But on the other hand, that is your life understanding that is the gift to the world. Um, like people should read it. People should practice these practices.
Yeah. And it's, it's just, it, it, it's an, it's a different perspective that I'm hoping people find value in. Yes.
I know that question. What is your one go-to tip for people?
Um, I talk about coming into felt relationship and the quality that enables that is gentleness. If you can gently stand before a tree, if you can gently feel your breath, if you can gently feel your, the soles of your feet at rest on the earth, if you can bring gentleness to your relationships, you will be deeply enriched.
And that gentleness, not that something bad. Most of the Western civilization. That's not the word. What would it go? Especially, but even, even women it's like that being more task, not allowing enough being chancellor.
Yeah. And, and even like in, in exercise, like I will go to failure, but I'm not in my head beating up on myself, I'm in my body experiencing it, feeling it, and it's glorious and, and there is a gentleness to it because there's no willpower. All there is, is intention moving through my body? Yes. You never,
what, what has been your latest act of kindness? It can be a really small one or a big one.
Um, earlier today, my daughter wanted to fix a wooden stool. So I went down with her and looked at it and one leg was broken and together we, I got a screw and we put it in and then she wanted to paint it and I helped her. I showed her how to scrape it and how to sand it, it, it, it doesn't get much smaller than that, but I mean, I remember it because it was such a gift to me. Um,
so I'm going to find that on cam that's the thing with acts of kindness that it's, it's such like for me, it, it fills me up. We have ducked about perhaps a lot of topics and a lot of things that you have shared during this talk about. What is the one thing that you wish the world?
I wish people around the world knew what their bodies know. If only they knew what their bodies know, because the body knows that it belongs to this world. The body sees a snail and it knows it is the snail. It feels the snail, the body feels itself in relationship to everything and the body understands it now. The head doesn't understand enough. We've obliterated enough. There's what's enough knowledge, you know, what's enough technology, what's enough money.
What, what does that number doesn't exist? The body understands it has a meal and it's eaten enough. It's slept and it's had enough sleep. So I guess my one wish would be that people could understand what their body's. No,
that's beautiful. Yes. And to be able to, to come to a close, how can people find you? How come people, um, like you share them before, but would you be able to share again, your website or social media where people can come find you on your work?
Yeah, no, I, I really appreciate that. Thank you. Um, My website, um, is Philip shepherd.com. And I, I hope you can see my name there because the spelling, I think there are 18 ways of spelling, Philip Shepherd. Um, so it's, it's um, one L and S H G P H E R D Philip shepherd.com. There's also the website I mentioned that has the app and that's, that's the practices, that's the, the real work.
Um, so if you're not able to come to a workshop and I'm hoping to resume workshops in September, we'll see. Um, but the app is there to, to help people it's audio recordings, and each is an exploration of a body of the ways in which we, um, impede its sensitivities and how to soften through that and open to the.
Beautiful. And of course, on the notes of this episode, we'll share in the links as well, so that everybody has access to it, but I can first can experience recommend your work, um, and your practices. Um, and I hope that as I said, with your wish that the one, you know, that's coming back to the body, coming back to that relationship with that knowledge and that wisdom on to understand wholeness. So thank you so much.
Uh, it's been a pleasure to, to be able to have this conversation, uh, thank you for, for your exploration, uh, in your life. Um, for sharing that knowledge in such a beautiful way. And I hope that that we have in the, not that distant future, another and wonderful conversation.
I would welcome it. I truly, what it's just such a pleasure speaking with you.
Thank you. And for the little one, listening to this episode, I would love for you to share in command with what does your experience, what resonated with you? What was your experience of the practice and sharing as well? Other ways that you might have to, to get to a place of wholeness and getting back into your body. So thank you everyone for listening and for being here with us and looking forward to the next episode.
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