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from sustainability to wellbeing and everything related to conscious living. Our mission is to empower you to be the change that you want to see in the world. Welcome everyone to a new episode of the conscious action podcast. I am Brian Berneman, your host. And for this episode, I have the pleasure of being here with Dave browse. Um, first of all, thank you for being here for taking the time from your busy schedule to actually have a conversation with us here.
And as I always do with our guests, I'm going to ask you, please introduce your.
Thanks. Thanks very much, Brian. I really appreciate it. So hi, everybody digress from Kevin, click a where a New Zealand cabin offsetting business, which is on a mission sort of help, uh, make it easy for people to address climate change with a single.
Cool. Awesome. Um, I, one of the reasons that I went into to have this conversation with you, of course, it's about carbon offsetting and the work that you're doing, but I wanted to go to kind of like the beginning and say like Dave, and what led you in this path? Um, so would you be able to share with us about your upbringing and what got you interested in climate change and sustainability?
Sure. Sure. Brian, so I, as a kid grew up at a beautiful part of the country, uh, not far out west from Oakland called the Y tackling ranges, which is adamant. Uh, not too far, maybe half an hour from a beautiful, very remote west coast set of features. And that was, that was my life. I was very much connected with nature. We didn't have plastic glad rep or anything like that for our school lunches. It was all, um, it was all stuff that came out of the garden and was made at home.
And certainly as I grew up and moved to the big smoke, um, to go to high school and that I, there were a lot of things that were just new to me and seeing rubbish, lying around everywhere in plastics that just didn't degrade, that stuff was all quite new to me. And it was a bit of a shock. I attended to a bit of an environmentalist. If I wasn't one by default, my mother was a naturopath. So that probably helps, uh, helps keep us relatively connected with that.
Um, w with our environments and, um, and what makes us healthy. But as I, as I, um, uh, went through school and university and so on, I, I started seeing, um, problems with sustainability of the way we were living. Uh, I got into business and, and, and really loves business. But again, I was always after triple bottom line profitability, making sure people and, um, in our environment were looked after as, as much as our bank balances were looked after. So they were all equal waiting for me.
Um, and I could see the way that we were living was far beyond the means of the planet to support that. Long-term and I just didn't understand how. Something, that seems so obvious to me was, uh, something that paper was so blind to in the business world, especially around me. So I, you know, as, as I worked my way through businesses, I was fairly, fairly lucky with the success of a lot of those businesses and, um, got more involved in directorships and helping other companies, Angela.
And, um, and spent less time working and more time enjoying life. But I decided at one point about six years ago, I probably needed to do something to bring awareness to others more so than just trying to lead. By example, I set up a charity called sea cleaners, which was about educating people on single use plastics and the hazard that they pose to the environment, particularly the Marine environment. And, and trying to get people to waste less as well. So, um, so that.
Probably not the start of my philanthropic journey, but it was, um, certainly, uh, uh, a high point. Um, I focused all my investments, the last five or six years towards sustainability. And now with cabin click, the opportunity came along to, uh, to help, uh, get involved at the grassroots level and, and build, uh, build a business from zero.
To, uh, to actually help make it easier for people to reduce and offset their carbon footprints and not only offsets because Calvin is just the, the currency of today. It's more about actually the restoration of the planners beyond cabin. So we look at biodiversity and social and. Um, well beyond just carbon offsetting. So it's not, not about planting a whole lot of pine that a high fire hazard and ed, very little bud, obviously back to the planet, but maybe, maybe help climate.
It's more about restoring how indigenous forests and, um, and with clean energy it's about things like water purification and, um, replacing wood fire cookstoves, which also bring smoke and a lot of high lung cancer rates to those communities and to cleaner energy, uh, for them to be able to live healthy, drink, healthy friends, and ate healthy. So. It's about that.
And Kevin click is a really good opportunity for us to do some serious, good in the world and to make it easy for people that are just starting on the sustainability journey. So just with a simple offset and then they get a traceable recite so they can see exactly where their offset dollar has gone. Um, why the projects are so important and also some tools like a calculator, so they can understand their own carbon footprint and try and reduce the Calvin. Yeah,
that's amazing. And I think it's so interesting to hear about your, your chair in the end and just see, know how we all in a sense and grow up in a different environment with different conditions and necessarily like growing up with a natural mother, being more in touch with nature, not already growing up with plastics and all of the things that. In perhaps the big cities in the Western world we already used to grew up with. I grew up with that.
Um, and it wasn't until later that I was like, okay, this is, this is not good, but I didn't have that when I was a kid. Um, and I thought it's such an amazing thing. You know, like the work with sick cleaners that I've seen for the past few years here. The work that sickly nurses doing, educating, and actually helping cleaning our, our environment, um, and going with people that and sharing that. And that's such an amazing thing. And as well, With Carbone upsetting.
I like for the last few years, disgustingly one of the most challenging topics that I've talked with. So many people it's like, um, with using, you know, like I'm reducing the amount of plastics or I'm going big on around that kind of conversation when people know enough on this, like all of these credits and things like that. And. Okay, what do we do? But it's a big topic.
So one of the things that I was interested with this is how are you able to actually communicate the importance of people understanding? And I know that you did this both for businesses. Is there a different approach that you take for educating both? Or is it the education part of basically the same and just a different chairman?
Yeah. And it is different. The important thing to understand is everybody's at a different stage on the sustainability journey and we can't judge that, but you know, people have been brought up different ways. Some of us, you know, it's, it's in our blood, it's in our DNA. We know what we need to do. And some of us just have no idea. We need to, we can't take everybody on the same part of the journey at the same time.
So we have to start really simple, but cater for people that are further on the journey with businesses, that's exactly the same. There are some businesses that, uh, Um, consolidate and courier pickups and things, and doing some really basic things and changing lights to LEDs. They're really early on the journey and, and some businesses, uh, plastic. Great. Look at the great businesses like your feet, for example, and what Ecostore doing.
What's the, uh, retaining all the plastic bottles that they very advanced in those journeys. And. All we do as a, for cabin clickers, we aim to enhance that so their customers can play a part in that sustainability journey by clicking a little green button on the, on the checkout. Now what's. Um, businesses wanting to add that green button to their checkout. Some are doing it because the directors have said climate changes the rest of my needs to be doing stuff.
Some of them are doing it because they just want the ma the grain dollar to come their way. And, and some of them are doing it because they're genuinely trying to do as much as they can. Um, what we need to help people at different levels and people that are just doing it for money. That's, that's what we call greenwashing and customers are really quick to pick up on that. So, so we take them on a journey and we say, I qualification list.
Are you qualified to upset and they're not taking steps to reduce and, and take themselves on their sustainability journey. Then, then we say to them, they can't offset. Certainly not with us. And that's, that's really important because they get rejected and locked out of our market until they're actually doing something. Whereas some people just immunized. So we say, here's what you need to be doing to reduce otherwise, here's, what's going to happen.
When your customers ask, what are you doing from a business perspective? That's, that's how we approach it. And from a people perspective, Uh, some people know their carbon footprint and they just want to sign up to a plan where they can offset the carbon footprint with really valuable projects that, that help restore the planet. And that's great in some people they need to go through.
Less than 62nd cabin calculator, because to put them in front of the Chino 20 minute calculator is just too hard right now. If we just have six or seven sliders, which is bottles on our calculator, so they can start to understand off I drive place or drive NEB that I have less footprint. If I fly less, if I eat more vegan and organic diet and all of these things. To take them on that journey at a very basic level. Um, and we can refer them to more basket because that is lighter.
And then if they want, they can subscribe to our planet. So it's roughly what their carbon footprint is, but it's all about helping to try and get money to those projects, which are doing so much good for our planet at the same time, as encouraging people to reduce at the front. Yeah.
And I think that is one of the really important things. And for the last few years I've been talking with people, um, that are running like monk for money and our care setting, the different, um, ways that we can actually understand, you know, like how can we bring money into these projects that are actually creating good and reach and the writing, our natural spaces. I'm actually helping us to, to offset what we are doing with the rest of our industries and the way that we're living.
And that's such an important thing. Um, and I didn't want him to touch on what you were mentioning before about, you know, different businesses, a different. Do you feel like, um, businesses understand, even the ones that do one to do this, do they understand actually that everything that they are doing that shaping the, all of them throughout their supply chain, that that is creating carbon and how they kind of set that? Or for a lot of them, this is like, oh, wow. Like, I didn't even think of.
Yeah. And as a lot of businesses just didn't even consider, um, how they are selling and how they can reduce the carbon footprint, how they can swap from if right to safe. Right. All of the things that they can communicate with their customers, how they can not shrink record, wrap everything before they put it in another plastic bag. Um, there's so many things that they've just brought, been brought up with. That they just don't know you.
And, and that's the beautiful thing for us as we can start to have an impact on businesses that just, just don't know, we've got lots of great sustainability consultants and agencies that we can refer them out to. But I think we do a good job of lifting the fist leg up and getting them to take that first. Um, so that, that then, uh, in a beta zone to be able to start going to more advanced processes with, um, with different environments and certifications out there. Um, yeah.
And it's interesting because like Carlin, upsetting has been something that with every lens that gets me in, you know, flying was kind of like, okay, that's, that's. Carbon footprint. So then you kind of said this, but now it's awesome to see that in essence, every single business has the possibility of actually doing it, that they can actually see like, oh, we're not flying, but we do have this. And I said this time, especially with COVID and everything that's happening, how we out of the.
Changing. Um, I'm becoming more and more aware than some people am businesses. I become more aware of the impact that they are having. I'm just say that no money, as you were saying that triple bottom line money is not everything. How have you seen for this year, especially with probably that narrative thing, how that impacted your business businesses industry.
Yeah. So our business was hugely impacted early on because we had focused too heavily in the airline airport space, uh, because we'd had a lot of success there as you know, very quickly after launching, um, that that had consumed most of our focus and most of our bandwidth. And then that, that market completely collapsed. Uh, we had, you know, listen team scene of Aaron coming April, then we didn't ma and match the month before.
So we were basically were wiped out and had to start again, but so did a lot of businesses, you know, and, and we were very lucky that we've been able to pick up again. Um, so really solid growth in the e-commerce space. So as e-commerce grew very quick, Um, what's the, uh, COVID coming along. Everybody that wasn't purchasing online was suddenly purchasing online after that. And with that comes a different set of carbon footprints that come with that comes a lot more packaging footprint.
And so we're now seeing just as greater, um, awareness and made for offsetting in the, um, delivery space and, and the ordering online space as there was in the flying.
Yeah. And it's so interesting, you know, as you were just saying how for a lot of people, they started buying more online. I was seeing that a lot of people around purchasing and getting, you know, packages or deliveries every single day. And I'm like, wow, that is like, you know, The amazing that we have accessibility to all of this and amazing that even through a pandemic business operate and everything, but people are ordering from here. I'm from there, I'm from there.
And it's like, you know, like one meal from this place and then the t-shirt here and it's like, each of them, this is that transportation. And that's your safe packaging. That's.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it would actually be more, more carbon efficient to order all of your online groceries once a week and have it delivered because they're delivering, you know, 40, 50, 60 households at the same time and they do it in an organized circuit. So it's less carbon footprint. And then in that sense, it makes a lot of sense, but that's not how we're shopping now. We've figured out how convenient. We've got things like over eight store to bring in one meal at a time.
And it's, you know, it's, it's great that these businesses have been able to react to on demand, uh, purchasing, but as consumers. Abused that it's not just a fact of, you know, this is a treat here and there. This has become a way of life. And so we're ordering sometimes from the same shop, multiple things in a weight. So the packaging and carbon footprint associated with that versus how we used to live.
We used to go down to the mall once a. And do our grocery shopping, do our other shopping at the same time and plate everything all in one, go and, and bring it home with us. And, and that's, you know, we've, we've lost that now where we're unconscious consumers and we've been trained into this world of convenience.
Yeah. And this is something that like in a lot of our events, uh, contraception might talk about this. Um, they're standing off being more, more of a conscious consumer and understanding the impact of every purchase decision that we're making, understanding how to vote without the other and understanding that at some point as well, we do need the convenience and that it's okay.
But then it's being in a sense, you know, that now, for example, for the industry, You know that if you went for the convenience thing, that it's perfectly okay. Now you're going to go to Kirwan pig and upset that.
Yeah. So, so that the risk is that people try and offset their gills. Um, so we try and put a lot of effort into educating people about the projects, about the planet, about what we need to do. Yeah, restore it so that they are purchasing more from single suppliers, um, which is more efficient for the supplies as well. They make a lot more money packaging, Tanner, the same argument, one box, then one Ottomans, a 10 different boxes.
Um, so it's, it's far more sustainable from everybody's perspective. Uh, if, if I do that and then I'll say, so they've reduced first and then offset what can't be reduced. That's the message that we have. My time, friends of mine so that people don't just offset, um, removes the Hills.
If you have to be flying and traveling, um, to see friends and family or funerals, or, uh, to explore part of the world and reinvigorate yourself, you know, we're not there with hydrogen pipelines yet or anything like that. So we have what we have to work with better if you can live that. So. 10 minutes off and do all of your traveling in one circular trip, instead of going every two or three months to another destination, we can do things a lot smarter and then offset what you can reduce.
Yeah. And, and I'm really curious from this perspective or something that I was going to ask you from businesses, because this, one of the things that I've seen on the leg with Carbone upsetting. That in a sense when you just mentioned about guilt for the individuals, but also in the bigger picture is the fact that as businesses and not society, in a sense upset, then we are doing all of these things. I'm thinking, ah, I can just upset it. Like it's okay. Like, um, we are still creating that.
I'm curious. What do you see that for the near future in terms of. What can we do to get people to understand? You know, that yes, you can upset this, but that's not the end. Like you were just saying reducing and then doing the right thing.
Yep. Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. And most businesses are very, um, uh, very good when it comes to being open to this conversation. And because by the time they've approached us, they know that their markets is moving away from them and then they have to catch up. Uh, I have to start doing the right things. That's what means the most to, uh, a big part of the market. The millennials are driving this more than any other part of the market.
And you know, the millennials are now 25 to 40 and now have effluence and wealth. That's, that's attractive to a business and the millennials are demanding, but that businesses address the sustainability and. Or they take their dollar elsewhere. And, and we're very lucky that somebody has stood up and did this. And so businesses know this, they've seen it happening in front of their eyes.
And so when we come in with a conversation about, um, with some simple pointers, obviously, um, to begin with and the ability to offsets on their cats or on the e-commerce sites, That seems to go down really well. We don't charge or any consultants, Sam winnow, consultancy experts, but we start them on the journey that they can then follow up with the consultants to start doing a really good job in the long run.
Yeah, that's awesome. And then in terms of, you mentioned roughly this at the beginning, like some of the projects that we do use for upsetting to finance them, that money that comes from. Is there something that for you particular, that you feel like, um, this is an amazing project, like in particular like that you guys are working with?
Yeah. There's I mean, we, we love the projects that we end up working with and we have a really long it's PR it's the longest in the world that I've come with. Offsetting methodology or selection methodology. So we go through about five steps of an audit process. So first of all, is it on a reputable registry? Like the, um, United nations triple say has the registry gold standard, um, other auditor's, um, reputable auditors that have assessed how much cabin is applied to that.
Um, and then what's the biodiversity or social impact improvements as it, uh, resilient for the future. So the crops that they're planting at a, uh, resilient to climate change, um, and do they have good management practices in place, you know, or is it going to be a breeding ground for pests to disperse beyond that forest? So, um, outerwear is a really cool project, which is a nightmare station. Um, down in the Taranaki region of New Zealand, I love that one.
Um, and, but, but all of them much the same, uh, they have everything from possum control. Uh, native infill planting. There are some pine on there which are left to fall over and they provide a bit of a nursery crop. So then United forest come up through the middle of, um, so it's, it's not always perfect, but otherwise working with the most perfect land. Um, but it's about an, you know, two or three generations time. What will this be? It'll be the next Milford track.
There'll be a famous book that can connect people to nature. Um, Fabio and carbon, um, and bring eco tourism, New Zealand, it stimulates the economy. It's got all of these future benefits and we're pine for example, stopped sequestering by about 60 years. Some of the natives in New Zealand, like the Cody tree can sequester for a thousand years.
Yeah. That's such an amazing pressure. And talking about, you know, as you were to say to Nick, um, future oriented on climate change. Um, are you on there? And I assume, but just wanting to ask, what do you see for the next few years? I'm like, are you hopeful? Like, are we going in the right direction or like the wind into to change everything?
Um, sorry, say that again
for the future. Like with climate change, the thing that we are in the right direction now, with everything that you're doing, are you hopeful?
I am, I am hopeful. I think we would've been in a much worse position if COVID hadn't come. I think it was. Um, I, my heart goes out to those who have been affected by it. Fortunately, um, I know people that have had covered, but fortunately no deaths from it, but I think mother nature, uh, needed this to happen. It's given us some inspiration. It's shown us how quickly some of these waters can clear. Some of the skies can clear there is a generation.
And the pole didn't know Mount Everest existed. Uh, other than reading about it, who have now been able to see it and for it to be locked away for a whole generation until, until now, these are, these are some pretty stimulating, um, opportunities, uh, or catalysts for change, which we haven't seen before. And only when things are slowed right down. Uh, sometimes can it be easy to change the direction?
If we think of way we're a ship like the Titanic hitting towards the iceberg, when it stopped, it's very easy to redirect. So I think, uh, I am very stressed about the effects that not enough is being done right now. And we're starting to power up again. Um, and, and we're still gonna hit the loss. Um, we've checked it cool slightly, but we need a lot more work ahead. So to actually keep this momentum going so that people don't slip into old habits, we are, we are creatures of habit.
Yeah, definitely. And I do see in a sense that, because you mentioned that this times with all of its challenges, of course, has been for a reset and a time for. Actually thinking about the why that we're living our lives and the impact that we are having. And I do know that the more that us as individuals, businesses, and then governments started to actually care about this, then we can actually do something. But of course, it's going to take time, like changes. Like this are always slow.
Um, somehow in, into to make it a little bit faster, but we can do what we can do as individuals, what you are doing with what you're doing with that is part of what is actually going to help in the long run. Um, with that in mind, one or two to get to, uh, the last few questions, um, I wanted to know what it's one resource that you would recommend to others,
um, depending on where you are in the sustainability journey. I normally go to, um, for people early on the sustainability journey, the best resource that's ever come out as to watch. So David Edinburgh, uh, um, licensed documentary, um, with his witness statement. Uh, that if anybody hasn't watched that bait, they absolutely have to schoolkids, sorry to grandparents.
Um, if you're more advanced and more academics, the IBCC, uh, reports, uh, just a wealth of information from really, really good and passionate scientists around the world who are doing this for the science. There is no financial. Uh, corruption that's I think that's a really, really good report that people should read. They can assess their own, um, uh, interpretation of the data as well. So that's, that's really well-written. I like that.
Um, and shortly there'll be a resource coming out from a consultancy called halo in the UK, um, which is, uh, a, a really good go-to of, of all of the reference points, um, relating to climate change. Um, that's that any individual can use like a contents contents guide and then link through to the bits that apply to them. And that's best reviewed by several consultants as well. Um, and they reviewed and so on.
And so, you know, all of the information there is factual, it's being cross-referenced and checks and.
Yeah, those, those are amazing resources. I recently watched, uh, for the second time. And now the other day, the film. And I do feel like it's like, I mean, he's such an inspiring, uh, person and what is shown, whether they're commanding. I think that because of cookies, my hope is that a lot of people that are not yet so aware that I'm not doing that much. That's this come wake up something inside of them to actually step on that journey.
Um, and I'm looking forward to seeing that halo, uh, um, project to see actually in their really interesting, um,
I think, I think it's probably released by now. It was going to be released this week. So I'd be surprised if it wasn't there or. And by the time we're interviewing today.
Awesome. Cool. I'll check it out differently. Um, what is your one go to tip when you need to do is share with people?
My go-to tip is because I'm involved in a lot of, a lot of business. Uh, I need to clear my head regularly. And so I meditate every, every morning. The first thing that I do. And my tip has, I always thought that it was not for business people. Uh, my tip is that the amount of bandwidth and clarity that, that gives you, um, allows you to get a lot more done in a day instead of just being busy for busy site. So that's, that would be my tip to anybody. Nice.
Wonderful. And it's one of the things, because that's one of the things that I do. I actually led a lot of times I work with businesses, um, mindfulness and meditation, and it's hard to get a lot of people in business to understand that the partners have actually taken the time and the space to be, to then allow everything else that you need to do.
Yeah, absolutely. And it took me a lot of times it was frustrating as a business person, my head worked at a million miles an hour to try and appreciate that I can actually clear some space. Um, and all of those thoughts keep, keep happening, but I can actually separate them out so that I can focus. Um, it was, it took me several failed attempts before I actually worked it out and I was very frustrated with it. So I would say, keep, keep trying once, once I got it, um, it was, it was quite.
Yeah.
And is there a particular technique or way of meditation that you use?
Uh, do you know, I just use his space, um, but come have used as well. Both, both are really good and cater for beginners. Um, and, and then you can get onto more advanced stuff later, but it's just the basic teen minute one-on-one stuff that, that really helped. Yeah
on the phone. And what has been the, you're talking about meditation? Mindfulness. What has been your latest small act of kindness?
Uh, latest act of kindness for me was probably on, on Friday night with, uh, I had my birthday. And so the guys at work shattered me some drinks after work, and we went down to the pub and, um, and someone there lost. Um, lost the wallet. So I, um, hide for their round and then ordered them. And over time afterwards, on my other accounts, I know how stuck people can get. Um, yeah, it's not a big act of kindness, but it's big
in the moment, everything. This is what I say. I'm first of all, happy birthday for your recent book. Um, I always say this there's no, no. Even the smallest act of kindness, actual defense, a huge impact that we cannot do when starting to understand and the ripple effect that that might have it's measuring. So, yeah, kudos for doing that. And because they were in a tough spot, if they couldn't actually pay for things. So that's awesome.
Well, it's just, I, when they couldn't pay for their round, cause they lost their wallet. I, um, I just, you know, Going to all of their work mates and trying to ask somebody for a lifetime. I figured I'm already doing something. Why not say, look, when you need to go home, I'll put it on my regular account.
Nice, wonderful. Um, what is the one thing that you wish everyone in the world?
I wish everyone in the world knew where their food came from and people living in growing and growing up in cities have no idea how processed some of this stuff has been. How, how far it's come from and, and how little goodness there is left in it. By the time they get it. Um, that's, that's one thing I just wish they knew. Um, what goes into most of the products that they're buying off the supermarket.
Yes. And that's, that's a big one. We had a conversation recently on one of our latest episodes with micro garbage from footprint. Uh, and we were talking about this. They're like the impact and the amount of food waste that there is an understanding more about that. That's such an amazing point. And. The better decisions that would make in terms of how we get our food. Also, we're reducing potentially our carbon footprint, very drastically.
I can buy everything from the farmer's market, the local farmer's markets, organic food, as much as possible, and whatever grows in my garden, my footprint with that is not that very.
Yeah, no. And well done. I most, most people don't understand they, the farming practices that are unsustainable as well, that go into that, they think, you know, it's coming from a potato farm. Well, uh, you know, it's not, if it's, if it's not an organic potato, you know, you probably sterilizing all of the soil and, and leaving your wasteland for future. Um, this there's so much to consider.
I just wish people knew from growing the food to how it's processed, to how it ends up basically on their plate. I wish people were more conscious of that. Yeah.
Wonderful. And lastly, Dave, how can people find you? How can people get involved in upsetting their carbon foot?
Just a visit cabin, click.com and there's a business section and an individual section and the individual section. There's a really, really cool little calculator. So less than 60 seconds, you can find out your carbon footprint with about 85% accuracy. Um, and for businesses, all of the tools there, um, as well to, um, offer offsets at the point of sale on your e-commerce site and all of our contact details as well. Awesome.
Cool. Thank you so much for being here, talking with that and sharing what you're doing. And I do hope that more and more people and businesses get on board with upsetting using carbon click, and hopefully we can actually speed up our regeneration because we've written it. So thank you once again for being here with us and thank you everyone for listening to this episode. And if you have learned something from this episode, I do want to hear from it. So comment on there.
And if there is something that you can do, if you go to carbon plate, check it out and click there and that'll have the link on there now. So thank you very much, everyone. We'll see you next time. Bye.
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