Take Two (with Chris McCarthy)

The best disruptors like to iterate as much as they can to perfect an idea—or at least a minimum viable product. So, it wasn’t a total shock when Chris McCarthy, vice president of strategy and design for Hopelab and founder of the Innovation Learning Network, asked us to re-record his podcast episode. In this second take, we go meta and get uncomfortable, diving deep into Chris’s mindset of embracing the mess and bringing it all to the table—your best intellect, your whole heart, everything—and being willing to endure pain in order to heal deep wounds. Download the executive summary for this episode at manonfire.co. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices