¶ Intro
hello everybody , welcome to the cologne podcast .
I'm mike and I'm ryan . We're two best friends . We're going on a fragrance journey , smelling fragrances sent to us by patreons and giving you uneducated opinions today , oh my god it's a big day for ryan .
I am fucking pumped because I've been too broke to buy it and I've been really honing on it . And that is Red Tobacco Intense by Mancera , sent to us by Michael J .
Michael J who , if you guys have been paying attention , michael J just won a brand new sealed bottle oh yeah , of Dior Sauv savage uforte , and it came with other savage samples and a fucking toiletry bag .
Yeah , it's a nice bag . Thought about keeping it .
Yeah , I did it and also our honorable mention . Our runner-up in the giveaway was bob , yeah , and he got some fun stuff . He got some fun stuff . He actually , uh , got him a juicy bottle as well , but it was a 4711 .
What we're basically saying is be a Patreon . It doesn't cost very much and you get so much in return . You get us , yeah , okay . Today's Red Tobacco Intense . I've got a review and it looks like somebody left two reviews on Fragrantica for this . Okay , I may combine the two , but it's from VujkiPVP2001 .
Copy paste of the original with less projection , same longevity , okay . Then comes back to say , after testing it , it smells more floral and musky than the original , smoother , dried down , intimate projection . Intimate projection .
Intimate projection . Huh . So he's like saying , is that his nice way of saying it's a skin scent .
Yeah , it's closer to the body , which would make sense if they upped the fragrance oil .
But do you feel like that verbiage is kind of misused in this industry ? Say what Intense .
Yes of course yeah .
Like because I think the normal plebian we're in , we're plebs in this . Yeah , you tell me intense , I'm thinking it's gonna be more kick-ass right yeah , I mean , I don't know if a little bit louder yeah , at least louder .
I don't know you'd say it's more kick-ass . So , for example , say , I go to a delicious mexican restaurant that we like to go to , and then they have the normal chipotle rub and then they have the diablo , which is hotter , yeah , which I would assume would be more intense , but for me I like the balance of the heat and the smokiness of the chipotle .
I don't want to go more intense I'm a simple man .
If it says bigger and better , more is always better for you .
Yeah , no matter what more is always better . I don't know if I agree , but we're going to find out by golly .
Before we do , though , we need to get into our one night stand review of the fresh new fragrance , Dior Sauvage Eau Forte .
Hit that music Todd Sauvage . Au forte
¶ One Night Stand Review: Sauvage Eau Forte
. Hit that music , todd yeah .
One night stand review . Well , mike , after laying in bed with Dior and Johnny Depp and Mason Francis Kirchhoff , because he's now the oh yeah , creative director yeah , the creative director , we've smelled it . We even bought it and sent it out to a patron patreon . What do you have to say about ?
oh forte , oh , I think I'm gonna tease the audience because I'm gonna take a little segue , ride away from it and then I'm gonna come back , okay . So I have a friend who's been . She smelled baccarat rouge on somebody , okay , but she's never been able to smell it . So she's tried clones .
She's bought ariana grande's cloud , she's been wearing that for forever and she's out on a trip and she texted me and she goes I finally got to smell baccarat rouge . Not impressed really , yeah , but she was obsessed with it the way it smelled on that person . But when she smelled it herself , it wasn't the same . Okay , I thought that was interesting .
Does it tie to ?
what you want to say about .
Yeah , it just has to do with MFK , oh , okay . Okay , now we're getting back to Oforte , and I liked it . I was shocked at how much I liked it .
I'm with you , I am shocked , and I I think , though , for the masses that really do like the original savage here , like hear this message with caution , because , yeah , we , if you've listened to this show for the past three years , are not big savage fans .
No , so I feel like that's why we like this one so much , because it's so not like Sauvage , it's almost like what an EDT version of the Elixir would be , because the Elixir is not like Sauvage the way that you know it . The EDT , edp , even the Parfum , the Elixir did something different .
It was spicier , it was a little bit more masculine yeah , had a little bit more attitude , and this does too but it's calmed down , which is in more like more in my territory , yeah for sure . So for that reason I did really enjoy it . I felt like the longevity surprised me for being a water-based fragrance .
Now , it didn't like blow my mind , no , but it hung on a little longer than I expected it to , but it's about average of what an edt I think would do yeah , and I would honestly say like , if you like the other versions of savage , you'd probably say those are a little bit louder than this one yeah , because that dry down on that , which is something I hate
about savage . Yeah , and I'm assuming it's the ambrox and I have no way of knowing because we're idiots , I'm dumb but that powdery like smothering effect that Sauvage has , I absolutely hate that part of it and this doesn't have that , so I like it .
I do too . Now , does that mean it's a buy for me ? No , lunarosa Carbon , yeah Lunarosa .
Carbon Cheaper too , yeah , and to me , better it's . Minus all the things that I don't like about Sauvage , it's still masculine , still clean . This is a great fragrance and if you want something fun for the summer , that's going to be lighter than your typical Sauvage , a little bit more masculine , and it's water-based . That's cool . Give it a try .
Go ask for a sample . Don't blind buy this . Yeah , go Give it a try .
Go , ask for a sample . Don't blind buy this . Yeah , go to your local whatever you got Department store . Yeah , go there and just get you a sample of it . Smell it . I mean they're going to have a bottle there . Just lace yourself up , don't wear anything that they didn't go . Lace yourself up and go test it out .
I will say it is , honestly , shockingly good compared to what I've smelled from the previous versions of it . I do like the direction of it , the way they did the scent profile , yeah
¶ Scent of the Day: Red Tobacco Intense
, but it's definitely a sample for me , not a buy , agreed , all right , there you go . Now , the moment I've been waiting for not you guys , me is red tobacco intense . Let's do it , do the honors . Look , guys , let me give you a little character development story here real quick with this .
When I first , by the way , because we're trying to open this and do it at the same time , michael , you did a great rap job on these . I don't know if I'm gonna be able to get these on , but he sent both of us what ? Five mil a piece or three . Yeah , thank you so much , michael j , for doing that . We really do appreciate it .
But I , when we smell the original red tobacco which the's up here . You guys can go listen to it . Mike hated the fucking opening . I kind of liked it . It had a vitamin kind of vibe going on and then it got into the juiciest smell .
And then that night I went to like a Dollar General or something I can't remember , and it was just on my hand and somebody was like somebody smells . Good in here , yeah , it's fucking loud .
Good in here , yeah , it's fucking loud it's one of the loudest fragrances I've ever owned and I used every drop of it . We had that happen to us . We both went to our local grocery store and we walked in and immediately somebody complimented you on it it's just it's .
It gets compliments , at least on me . I don't know if it just interacts with my skin .
I swear pretty much anytime he wears it with me . I witness the compliment and I'm like you , son of a bitch every time I got mine open . So I guess I'm gonna be doing the honors first man . Here we go , go ahead . I don't even have to put anything up to my nose in the air Loud red tobacco .
Yeah , I don't know that I'm getting as much of that harshness on the top , and it may be because I haven't put anything close to my nose yet .
Definitely not . It's like missing that part for sure Doesn't have that vitamin opening . It's almost like it's kind of there to that dried in on the original pretty quickly , right .
No , on the skin . There it is . I've missed you . We've got to do an episode on Triumph of Bacchus by Argos we got to , we got to .
It's funny enough . Somebody that listens to the show , that also has a channel , made a little hate video on argos just recently . Really yeah , but I want to feel I feel like they they did hype up triumph of . For me that one's incredible .
I smelled a couple by argos that I'm like pretty impressed by I will say out the gate .
I do get the . This is not as loud , but I will say this is much smoother for sure . Yeah , I'd give it that it's not harsh Way more pleasant for the average Joe out there , that one doesn't like all that super loud shit .
So let's just pretend they haven't smelled red tobacco at all . What are you smelling ?
It's the hardest thing to describe for some reason right now , but maybe it's because you put me on the spot . I don't know .
Well , immediately the thing that we know most about the opening to red tobacco , and now what I'm kind of smelling on the skin here . Ryan compares it to like when you open up like a bottle of vitamins . Yes , definitely has that that kind of dry , bitter sort of smell .
Yeah , yeah , this is definitely not as harsh as the original right this still has this , the sweetness of what you'd imagine like a honey tobacco coming through , so it has that vitamin kind of taste going on . Plus it's got like the sweet honey tobacco type smell . It's like .
I love this , but I hate that they named it intense . Now it's not intense to me , oh God , does it feel like it's a lot quieter ?
It's almost . Yeah , that's the thing that we really need to kind of get over in the fragrance community . Maybe they should have called it a parfum or something like that , or an x-ray , instead of calling it intense , which I think people exchange for like they'll make it like if they had an edt . They'll make a parfum or a whatever and they'll call it intense .
Yeah , but then because you increase the fragrance oils in the mixture , you know it ends up being less intense . So I know it's more intense as far as the volume of flavor ingredients , but I mean , ultimately the scent profile isn't as intense .
It definitely isn't , and I , I just . They just need to stop saying things intense because I , I'm an idiot . I'm going to equate this as you saying . It's going to be louder , bolder , If you thought it was fucking nuts before get ready .
This is like helicopter controls on a video game when you pull it to the left , it goes right , and when you pull it to the right , it goes left . That's exactly how this goes with intense . You should know , though you should know , when you pull the joystick one way , that you're headed in the opposite direction .
I am somewhat disappointed I feel like this is more for you . Well , yeah , probably so . I don't think you're allowed to be , though , because you know , you know how it goes with this sort of thing .
Yeah , that's true too , and we got enough of this again . Thank you , michael , lovely patreon , to send us this 10 mil , that's uh . I'm gonna rock the shit out of this for the next week and just see what kind of happens with it .
But I'm not disappointed in the flavor , the flavor profile , the scent profile we just had lunch , yeah I'm not disappointed in the scent profile . It does smell really good and it smells pretty much like red tobacco .
But I feel like it's like to where the dry down kind of gets to a red tobacco , which is totally okay , cause that's what I get a lot of compliments on . But when it starts off like that , then I feel like it's not going to be as loud and last as longer , but theoretically it should last .
It'll last longer , it'll just be closer to your skin .
Honestly , I don't think that's a a bad thing for red tobacco because in my opinion it's too loud , it's just overwhelming . It's over the top , I will have to admit , but I love that .
I can't not love it . I think for a lot of listeners maybe you guys don't have close friends or family members like I do . I'm not gonna say they don't have close friends or family members . I'm saying they don't have close friends or family members . I'm saying they don't have close friends or family members that over wear fragrances like I do .
Yeah , because I have ryan and I have a couple other friends that also just wear way too much fragrance and until you experience that , you don't really know how overwhelming your fragrance is at times . But but luckily , being around you , ryan , I've learned you can have too much of a good thing on . Oh , yeah , you can To where it is just good , god .
But did you remember it ? Did you remember that day ? Yeah , but I wasn't like mmm .
God , I do remember the times when I would spray it fresh and get in the car . You'd be kind of pissed off dude .
I'd be like what the fuck ? Hey , can you spray it 30 minutes before you get in the vehicle ?
this is . This is honestly way more smoother . I will say that , and there was a comment . You didn't read it , but there was a comment somebody said I think he said he read it from st jen's one of the top comments on there . But when I say top , like the newest one , yeah , but they were saying it's more of something closer to carlisle .
Do you feel like that ? I could see that a little smoother .
Yeah , smoother for sure , less of that kind of dramatic abrasive opening . Yeah , you know , it smells like it's done better and I would agree that this is headed in the same direction as well . Yeah , I would say this is closer to Carlisle
¶ Price and Popularity
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Price 220 , something for whatever 4 .
Yeah , 125 mil or something like that .
Which isn't too bad for a niche fragrance in that amount of juice . Yeah yeah , you can find it cheaper , though you can go on like that , which isn't too bad for a niche fragrance in that amount of juice . Yeah yeah , you can find it cheaper , though you can go on like whatever , of course , like 80-something bucks somewhere , 100 bucks . Just look around .
That's the only way to buy this , in my opinion . I agree , I definitely agree . Trend , y'all know the deal . Free Granica killed that bit . But if I were a guessing , man .
Yeah , say it's dead as a doornail right now I bet it's dead as a doornail yeah .
Because I think people that really do love red tobacco , they are a fan of the harsh opening , they're a fan of how loud it can be .
Well , not only that , but you probably wait until close to Thanksgiving before you're wearing this thing .
For sure , but I will say God , look , fuck it . We're going right into the who's wearing it really quick . Okay , I know exactly who's wearing this are you looking in a mirror todd cue the dream music . They may or may not have their shit together . Okay , kill the music . They may or may not have their shit together . Yeah more .
More likely they don't have their shit together .
If I know where this is headed , they're sort of introverted uh-huh and they don't really get out much . But come thanksgiving or christmas time they're always with their family . Yeah , and they're going to be dressed up for the one time in their entire . You know , each year they only have like one day they get dressed up for right .
This is that day and they come in kicking the fucking door in ready to see all their grandmas and grandpas and cousins . Everybody's greeting them , everybody just loves you because you're family . They think you're still successful because you smell successful .
They don't mind if you're ugly .
You're dressed sharp and you're just having a good time , man , and this fragrance , just , oh God , it's just so smooth and everybody gives you a hug . They go . Ooh , you smell good what is that .
But they don't hug you too long because they don't want to pass out .
I would say they're probably between the ages of like 30 and 55 , somewhere around there ?
Yeah , definitely somewhere in the middle .
It's a pretty good fragrance . I mean I just can't totally hate it because I love the dna of red tobacco . Yeah , it's so good . In fact , when you got , I think you and steve got me to smell carlisle , or at least you did yeah , we did an episode on it , did we , did we ever post ? That , yeah , we did main or patreon main , okay .
So yeah , we did Carlisle and I feel like I liked it , but I don't know , I feel like the original Red Tobacco is better than that I really do to me .
You like kind of that bitterness in the opening .
I do , and there's a little bit here , but just not as much . To me it's just a more dialed-down version of the original Red Tobacco . Yeah , and for that , because it's intense , I'm out .
Well , I thought about you the other day because I was talking about how I prefer coke zero over diet coke and I'm like I don't know why people pick diet coke , because it has like that twang to it . Yeah , but some people they've grown to like that about it . Kind of like me with the bitterness and dark chocolate . You're like hell , no , I can't do it .
I'm like give about it . Kind of like me with the bitterness and dark chocolate . You're like hell , no , I can't do it . I'm like give me it all . So I feel like that's where you've gotten to with the opening of Red Tobacco . You've kind of have Stockholm Syndrome to the ugliness of it as much as you do the sweet side .
I fucking love it . I can't not love it . One's good too . Don't get this twisted , guys . Yeah , I do have to say if you're a big red tobacco fan , right , well , you know , I'm just out . Let's stop this for a second .
You need to talk a little bit more okay , well , I mean , I think we can go ahead and get in skip it , sample it , buy it . Skip it , sample it , buy it . What are you going to do , mike ?
¶ Skip it, Sample it, Buy it
For me this is a hard sample because I actually like this more , for all the reasons that you're less attracted to this fragrance . I'm more attracted to it than the original Red Tobacco . So I appreciate and enjoy this more than the original Red Tobacco .
But I have a feeling you're about to list the ways that you miss the original compared to the intense yeah , this one is a sample and I will sample the fuck out of this , since michael j was so kind to send us both five mil . Yeah , but after I sampled this I don't think I would buy it .
Wow , I just don't even think I'd look at like if I had my options and at this point they'd probably both be the same price . Yeah , in the $80 range I'm getting the original red tobacco because it's so unapologetic and doesn't give a fuck . This one is definitely does smell good . Don't get this twisted , guys .
Yeah , this is probably for the people that are like Mike .
Yeah , I tend to lean . Actually , I was talking to Dan the fragrance weirdo today about Crystal Saffron yeah , the X-Straight and I asked him what he thought about it compared to the original and he said that he had only sampled the original in store . But he bought this X-Straight and he really likes it .
But he feels like this is longer lasting but closer to the skin and maybe a little less projection . And to me , I want fragrances like that . I would rather have fragrances where people come in , they give you a hug and they go God , you smell good . But I don't just want to be in a room and everybody's like choking out .
I more enjoy when people get close and appreciate it . I don't really want the like somebody's 10 feet away from me going like somebody smells . I don't really want the like somebody's 10 feet away from me going like somebody smells .
Yeah , this is for the people like Mike If you want something that does smell good and you don't want it to be super loud and you kind of did like red tobacco but you just thought it was too much .
I feel like this is still loud , though as a fragrance . This is a loud fragrance .
Yes , I'm going to disagree with him on that . I don't think that at all .
Wow , I think you're just comparing this to the original , saying it's not as loud , but just as the fragrance is . It is a loud fragrance . I feel like it is man .
I disagree with that very , very harshly .
Yeah , it's got that dry sweet tobacco smell .
It's good . It does good . What it's supposed to be doing , that's doing . It's doing the right things , it's just . I prefer it to be louder . So yeah , if I'd never smelled the original red tobacco , I'd probably be loving this right now I bet that somewhere in mancera land they got it closer to carlisle .
They were , you know , mixing up stuff in the kitchen just screwing around . They're like , oh , we got it closer , so we'll re-release it . And the people who want it to , if they want just a straight up cheaper version of carlisle , yeah , I think they have it in this one . If you're looking for that , you're looking to spend less but still has .
It's more favorable than the original red tobacco , whom most everybody would agree . Those first 15 minutes aren't for chumps it is not .
It's not , but I got a question for you . Okay , let's play marketing gurus for a second . Okay , all right . If you worked at any fragrance house right now , yeah , what verbiage would you use differently to illustrate that a fragrance is ? Definitely , if you like the original one , this one actually packs a fucking louder punch .
I would use the word intense If I was in the company . I would come up with a different name for things that have higher concentration , gotcha , but aren't necessarily more intense . I love the way Amage does it , because Reflection 45 has more of the raw materials or fragrance , aroma , chemicals or whatever .
It has like 45% of that , 45% oil , so they just call it Reflection 45 . Yeah , and it smells a little bit different than reflection man because of that . So to me I feel like that's a great way of marketing it .
Or if this was , you know , uh , red tobacco but they didn't want to call it intense , you'd have to find a different name for like something that explained that it was smoother .
Yeah , hmm , would be a good word for smooth yeah .
What are we going to call this ?
Hey , what are we going to rename this so we can send it to Mancer ? And everybody else , so they can rename their products to appease us All . Right guys , it's a skip to a sample for me . I guess it's definitely a sample for people out there .
You got experience it yeah , for sure , especially if you haven't tried red tobacco at all .
I would start with this , honestly , which seems counterintuitive why do I feel guilty that I don't like this when people send us stuff .
I feel so guilty people don't want you to like it , ryan , they just want your honesty . Okay , well , michael , thank you for sending this .
That was really nice you to like it , ryan . They just want your honesty . Okay , well , michael , thank you for sending this . That was really nice of you to send us both 5ml . I'm so sorry that I don't like it , though it's not a bad scent , I know what the original smells like . I can't run away from that .
I think it'd be different if they made it , If they said I've listened to 280 episodes and I feel like I got a good handle on what Ryan really likes , and then they go into the kitchen and they bake up something they think is Ryan , Please don't do this , guys .
Whoever's out there , do not do this , Dude .
we're not here to break hearts .
Yeah , I could not do that .
I mean , this is like a clone of a clone . Yeah , you know .
By the way , the tester strip smells great , smells good . It smells great all the way around . If I never smelled the original one , I'd probably be really honey on this right now .
I'd be honked up . You know who else does a good job is commodity , really , yeah , because they have like personal , they have like scent spaces . So it's not like EDPs and 10s , it's like this is bold , this is personal , this is whatever the middle ground is or whatever . Yeah , or like expressive , I think is one .
So I like that type of thing and lean off that . But then again they know that in the factory . So why are they putting intense on it ?
I don't know . There's got to be a different word for it .
They got to figure out a different word , I think the more they go up , if it's like a parfum or an elixir , whatever well , elixir , we know , isn't a concentration but the higher it up . They should call it like red tobacco , intimate or something that closer , gets to the skin .
I like that .
Other than intense . I like that idea , mancera . That's copyrighted . Cologne podcast copyrighted .
Hey , let me tell you something we just did that's going to put Mike on the spot and we can't run from it anymore . We just made some bars of soap , oh yeah we sure have already done that but they gotta sit for a month before we can dig them out . But we're gonna give a couple out to patreons . Yes , we made a texas cedarwood soap , yeah .
So if you want to smell like texas and god knows you do you better be a patreon and just know that everything we use in the soap is all natural and we haven't used anything crazy . It's . It's all different types of fats and oils and then your typical lie , so it's safe . We're personally trying it as we speak , so you guys are fine yeah , so get ready .
We're in about a month . We're going to be , uh , doing some special stuff with that , and we are much appreciative again to michael j for sending this and also congrats to being a winner . Congrats to bob , and until next time , spray it up , y'all .