Episode 93 The Art and Science Behind Manifestation Part 3 of 3 Series with Mo Naboulsin What Behavioral Adaptations that must occur in order to form new Belief Systems?

together. And I actually think out of this episode series, this was the most profound it's definitely the longest, it's the deepest it is the most into why this story of manifestation came to be true in my life. And so it's going to be a ride, it's going to be emotional, it's going to bring up a lot of things for you. But I was so excited. And so with that, we're going to get into it if you are a returning podcaster Oh, hey, and if you're a brand new Hello

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this collaboration. It was so fun, it was so meaningful. And I hope that you guys really get the most out of this episode with what is manifestation you can walk away really knowing what it is really seen the inspiration of why it became such an important modality and practice in my life. And also for you to begin to apply these to really create a manifesting life beyond your wildest dreams. Oh, let me let me let me respond

to the question. When you are and I think this is going to be very good for people listening, because it's a practical question. When you are in the situation. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So when you're in these situations, and you're, and you're trying to manifest something, so for this instance, the ability to leverage technology in order to, you know, scale and create systems. But what what is the process for you look like? Like, legit? Like, practically, what is the thing that you do?

Yeah, well, I mean, I'm a creative at heart, right. So like, I'm definitely like, that would be my one. That'd be my thing, right? So no matter what, what I'm really good at, I'm always gonna find a way to create I'm always gonna find that way. And then from that creation, yeah. I've always trusted or it's always happened, things have just shown up. And I don't know, maybe that's like the way I've cultivated it. Maybe that's my human design.

Maybe that's my gene key. But I am a manifesting generators. It's like I'm constantly generating and manifesting, but like, here's an example like my bookkeeper that I had, they only had them like half of last year. And then I never made the time to hire a new bookkeeper. So now in my mind, I was like, I'm doing my taxes. And my tax person was like, hey, we need your p&l for the last six months. And I was like, I don't have this anywhere. I can pay a one time fee free guys do it.

They're like, No. So literally, the next day I get an, what's it called an email. It was from sunrise, bookkeeping, that they do your Pete they do your p&l for free. And I was like, this has to be a joke. Like literally, I just had this and it was free. And it was like part of this thing. And I was like, Okay, and so I've guess I've just adapted my behavior to feel like everything's always working out or everything is

happening. And if I'm, if I'm coming from a place of creation, if I'm coming from a place of truth, I'm coming from a place of this is what I meant to do. I share that I do that and then I kind of put out into the world what I need that gets a thought and then it just happened but I think a lot of us. I think a lot of us do this, but we don't actually realize how much we're putting out into the world and what Coming back at us, or we'll put something out on we don't read that email. We don't see

it. We're like, oh, that's drunker. Oh, that's this. But like, the universe is always responding to what your creative desires pushing through you. And I think this is for men and woman. I don't think it's like, I don't see it, like isolated one gender or not. So I guess your question like, the practical I think that's like the magic. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know, there's a practical part to magic, I think. I guess my, I guess to clarify is how, how would you teach it?

Like, if someone were to ask you this question like, how, how can I manifest? I'm all fucked up. I'm constantly and I understand like, this is this is a process I understand. It's part of a curriculum. And I understand that there's, there's an

evolution in play. But to just answer a question simply, and the most easy to understand way so that people can gain an understanding, because there's a lot of confusion with the, the art and science of manifestation, which is what I'm hoping to at least alleviate some of those pain points throughout this three part

series. And this goes into the belief system, because if you can't understand what what the formulaic process of manifesting is, because here's the thing, Callie, not everybody's a creative, not everybody is in tune with themselves. And not everybody can just understand or feel the magic. They're very logical or practical. And they have to understand, like the, the science behind or they have to understand the modality behind what is manifesting, and in essence, and how do I use it

as a formula. So for those people that are listening, I just want to be able to give them like, okay, so manifesting is this, and if you put yourself in this state, then you can start attracting things that are in line with what you're trying to do in your life. But you also have to understand that you have to start being aware. So it's like, totally I understand. It's like asking a question about, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that makes sense.

I think one is really important to say, I mean, right, like what you said, like, some people I mean, in my belief system, I believe that everybody is a creative, I believe that we've been programmed or we've been numbed to not be creative, but creation is our life force. I mean, right? I mean, men give the seed woman provide the baby, so for for, for me to hear that, like people aren't creative that that in my mind is is a is a fundamental program. It's a programming. Yeah, it's a

program believe, granted. And, you know, people sometimes do just want to live their life manufacturing and be told what to do. I've definitely accepted that. And I can understand that. But I don't believe that fundamentally truth. And maybe there's some other parts, I don't believe that maybe some people do. And that's good for you. But I think what you're asking, right, and this is this is something right? I mean, if you're sitting here listening, you're very logical, you're an

engineer. You're not going to want to learn manifestation. So you're not you already aren't open. And if you aren't open, I mean, that would be part one. If you aren't open to becoming aware of your beliefs becoming the way that you're operating in life, then yeah, manifestation isn't gonna work for you. I mean, it's the same way if you were to do acupuncture, I mean, the same with you had cancer, do you? If you want to just get chemotherapy and do surgery? Or do you want to look a holistic

methods? Neither one is right or wrong, right? They're both they're both right, from a logical standpoint. And if you're manifesting, right, I personally want to look at all of the information, everything that's possible. And then I would do what I felt called and letting guided to do. So that's still manifesting in your own way. But I mean, yeah, to get to Magic, magic is never going to be linear thinking it's never

going to be logical. So if you are committed to linear and logic, then yeah, manifestation isn't the lifestyle for you. And there's no problem. Like, that's not an issue. Like if you're happy with your life, then keep living it. I think most people want that beauty or luxury or magic that is, that is a little esoteric, I think people in my belief system, you know, maybe like you said, a lot of people don't or they don't, I don't know, that's not really the conversations I have or who I

attract in my field. So that is you. Yeah, this wouldn't be your

option. It's almost like saying if you're trying to teach someone how to paint and they don't want to paint there's nothing you can do to to begin to put that right there life you know, so I think I get that I'm saying like, what if What if what I'm saying is what if you are that logical type and you know, you are, but you want to break out and use tools to do so the first thing is you have to be open to education, you have to be open to a new way of learning a new way of being

right and that means putting yourself in new environments like my eight week manifester program. That means putting yourself maybe going to a religion class going to yoga like to get out of the mind right means you have to physically put your body into a state so you're out of the mind and into the body. Like, that's

one. So it's like, if you're logical and linear and you're wanting to expand into something, you need to, yeah, get into something, whatever that is, wherever you feel called to, to transform, like, for me that was moving across the world to New Zealand. To me, that was, you know, traveling to 42 countries like I physically put my body in environments that my mind alone wouldn't be able

to survive, right? Like I've been in countries where I have lost my card, I didn't have a way to get money, I had to figure it out. Men and taxi drivers are driving me here. I mean, you're on a motorcycle, your luggage is staying at some airport that you're hoping it's going to be there when you get back from whatever adventure that you on. Like, those are not

logical. Like, I guess I was so smarter when we I mean, I was so engineering in a way like, I had to put myself in such these insane situations where the mind can't solve the solution, the mind cannot win, you have to begin to rely on body and you have to begin to rely on connection and how that works is a risk there is a risk involved, I'm not gonna lie, it's not going to happen by you. Nothing great is going to happen virus.

So if you want to get out of if you're in your logical mind, how do I get out of the logical mind? What do I feel called led to do? Where if I died today, I would not be okay dying without trying this and it does go that intense. From that intensity, you have to take the risk and that will naturally start your process of manifestation and whatever journey but that looks so different for everybody. I mean, that's again, God or source or universe. Like faith is never going to be logical.

You can't teach someone? How do I get out of my logical mind to believe like it that was in choice number one, or episode one or two that we did in this series? Like you make the decision? And the choice? No one can, I can't do that for you. I could tell you here all day long. Here's the thing to do here. Is that it up? Sure you could show up to you're going to be miserable. And whatever that whatever that point in wherever that point is in your life, when

you make that shift. Do you know for me, it was that point of moving to New Zealand. I mean, like I said, I drank a whole bottle of Chardonnay on the flight over there. It was so painful to my mind that I was leaving this great job, I was making six figures, it was so painful it was so it was so out of the mind to get it literally seems like I was killing myself.

And you can't teach that, like, there was a desire in me that I had a desire to live International, more than any linear logical reason could have told me. And when that you make that decision, I there is I don't know, any research that's ever proven that I agree with you, I was just challenging you because I wanted you to be able to fight for an answer, which you did. And and you gave you gave the right

answer. And that's, that's the thing is that you do have to have some belief, which leads me to what I think about this whole belief system thing, which is part of the manifesting. Like I always say to myself, you know, I've been coached and mentored and, and I read a lot and I

study a lot. And this is just part of my life, one of the things that I've learned was, you know, like, if you had absolutely zero possibility of failure, that you could accomplish, anything you wanted in your life with absolutely no fear, no fear of failure, like nothing whatsoever. Like, what would that be like you literally have like a magic wand. And you can create any life that you want, what would that life, you

know, essentially be? And so part of that is understanding that you have to believe in yourself and your own worth. Because you got to start asking yourself, like what kind of immediate changes do you want to start making in your life? What kind of, you know, a present day and future day changes you want to see? And then you have to start building up these answers.

And through those answers, I've actually found my new belief system so my new belief system came came from answering those questions, which is what I what was it? What do I want to be or what do I want to believe about myself? Like who is who am I? Who is Mo and then more than that, like you have to believe about yourself in order to create the life of your dreams. So like if you were to turn off the logical brain, the analytical brain, you know, the, the the practicality side of

things, right? And just eliminate that and for one freakin second, just try to try to try to have some form of vision, some form of belief, some form of understanding that like when you were a kid, you just did things like it was a instinct it was innate, you never. You know what I mean? Like you question you were

curious. But when you were a kid, like you had that curiosity that led to almost you accomplishing anything, like, you had no idea that the feet beneath you were there to help you walk, because you crawled for the first year or two years of your life, you had no idea that, you know, the sound that was coming out of your, your mouth was actually there to start creating words that can describe things versus just screaming and yelling and crying, because you can't conjure words to be able to turn

or to be able to identify if you're in pain, if you're hungry, if you're sad or tired, whatever the case may be. And so here we are now as adults, and we it's like the thing that we lost is the thing that we need, in order to create the life that we want. So like, I always look back to like, Okay, well, let's

look at children. children's children are beautiful, like how they interact with each other, from not giving a shit about race, not giving a shit about culture, not giving a shit about ethnicity, not giving a shit about anything, the only thing that they care about is, hey, will you play with me cool, and they start playing and now you've created this connection.

And then they have these crazy imagination about what they want to do in life, from as simple as wanting a red car to drive around their friends, to flying to the moon. And it's that curiosity, and that that dreamlike state, I feel like that's lost on us as adults, because we are jaded by the by the by societal standard. And, and it's that that's the stuff that we have to unlearn in order to help rewire unwire our brain so that we can get into a place of creation. Because like you

said, we're all creators. Some of us, I think, have just been too programmed into the system of things that have fucked us all up. That makes sense. Yeah. I mean, when I mean, right, when I went to disagree, I mean, when I went to college, right, I think that, you know, I wanted to be a salesperson more than anything, I just want to make sure I had money to have a good job to make sure if I ever had cancer money would not be the reason that I wouldn't pay for it. Like it was very fear

based. And it's very fear based. And I, I feel that I went into an engineer role. And I saw a lot of what you're saying, I saw a lot of men and women who are asking the questions you are and at that point, you just aren't ready. Like the truth is like if you are asking those questions, and I appreciate you sharing those questions, but if if that's really what's in someone's mind, you just aren't

ready. Because manifestation and faith doesn't need convincing, like, God doesn't need to convince you like, I don't need to convince you like I am already worthy as a beam because I'm here and I think the moment someone goes into trying to have that thing of like, they need convincing on why they're just not ready. And that's okay. Like, they're like, if someone's not ready to be a mom, they're just not ready. If someone's not ready to be married, they're

just not ready. There is nothing that you can do to force someone that you love or you care about that's going to get into a relationship you can and you see that it's like you can't force your child to get straight A's in school, you can't, there's nothing you can do to convince that child or convince whatever if they fundamentally don't want to do it, they're not going to

do it. And so I think the best thing that we can all do whatever your path in life is, whatever you believe it is, is to be the walking embodiment of it which I've devoted, I mean my life really you know, in so many ways I've made a devotion to my life to be the embodiment of what I wish I could have seen or what I wish I had you know, or what I have a friend I wish I could have been or someone I could have listened to to just know like, hey, there's someone else out there there's someone

else out there who wants to hear what you have to say or there's someone else other who thinks like you do. There's someone else out there who relates to life I don't know like that would have changed so much for me like I thought I was all

alone. Like I thought I was really alone in this world of what I wanted of what I wanted to achieve of how I perceived other people like I would just be so frustrated and angry like I didn't get why other people didn't get this and so I think I guess I feel that you know the art and science is right there's always going to be a battle because science is gonna say this about the cosmos which is true and the arts are always gonna say I'm connected to something greater right and you

either choose one or the other or you choose to be available for at all and to me I wanted to live was available for at all I didn't want to have to constantly choose this or that right? Because that's a I don't know like that just doesn't seem fun. I didn't want to constantly have to be bucketed into this as you are that as you are this is that or that is I mean that just seems so exhausting. Like even saying it whereas if like you can know that you can access it all from this place of access.

You can then be it all you can have it all you can choose it all. I mean, I don't know that just seems way better to me. But if that's not you, then it's just not and I think that's it a good just period there's, there's nothing else to really do like. I mean, yeah, with cancer, like if you got cancer, do you want to believe you're gonna die? Or do you want to believe you're gonna live like I can't, I can't inspire you to want to live, I can't inspire

you to want to fight. Like, if you like your life is over, then it's over. And I think it seems so extreme. But it really is that way. And I don't know. And it's not wrong. If you want to live just a science based life or an art based life. I don't think that's bad. I think we're just sharing a perspective, if you do want to have it on you do want to have both you want to learn it? I think this is what we're sharing what are your

thoughts? Yeah. I think I think even I think now with the with the, with the science finally starting to meet the art of what's happening with manifestation and whatnot, you know, in neuroscience and psychology, and psychiatry, it's becoming more and more

prevalent, which is great. And I think that's giving people an opportunity to be able to look at things from a different lens, which is opening up their perspective, and the way of thinking of what is and what isn't, and what's potentially there and what, you know, what, what could be the best possible thing for them in life. And you

see it more than ever now. From entrepreneurs like Bradley and clinical psychiatrist like Dr. Jordan Peterson to neuroscientists like Andrew Huberman, who go around and around and we're, and we're able to actually start seeing things on that, that feels very visceral, because it's like, you got one guy that made a bunch of money. old school mentality. Yeah, he's talking about

manifesting. He's not saying manifesting, but what he's explaining is, and the way that he's teaching it, and then you've got, you know, neuroscientists, that's literally saying, Hey, we can actually quantify how to

manifest things. And we're able to quantify everything that is part of your belief system and the creation that you are and the energy that you that is a part of you the energy that is circulating the world, which is crazy to me, like, I've always, I've always, like, undoubtably believed, and all of this stuff, even before I didn't understand it. Because I still don't

understand it. I mean, to be quite frank with you, like, the grand scheme of things I don't understand to say that I understand it would be just, it would be insulting. From from my, from where I stand, because it's not something that I fully grasp. It's like, I don't understand how all of these planets were created. I don't understand why there's so many solar systems within solar systems within solar systems, my brain can't fathom that. I just can't, I can't compute it, I

can't, I can't do it. So I'm going to focus on the things that I can, which is understanding that what I can do within my own life is in is in my hands, I can either decide to be the victim, or I can decide to be the creator. And no matter what it is, it's it's an ongoing journey. You're, I wasn't say you're lucky, you're, you're blessed, because you have you've had you have this, it's second

nature to you. You don't even have to think about it, manifesting being in the state of abundance, you know, positivity, gratitude. It's, it's part of your being like, it's just who you are. So to get to that stand, or the stance or to be in that position, it's, it could take people like their entire lives, or they can join your course and expedite the process. Yeah, but I also think that what you said is like, I don't know, like, I think you just need to

trust yourself. Like, I think it does not need to be that complicated. Like if you are asking a million questions about how about this, but that I need to did it? Like, it's just not for you? Like, I don't know, there has to be a point when you just trust yourself in life, you know, like, I mean, it would be exhausting. It would be exhausting to live your life in a way where you have to go, should I do this at work? Am I gonna do that at work? Am I gonna get a raise this year?

Should I go for that promotion? Should I do this is my husband thinking this is my spouse thinking this is my child thinking that's it like that would be so exhausting to try and do that, like I cannot even imagine the overwhelm you must be living in if that is the

reality of your life. And so if I don't know, like, I've been a lifelong learner, obviously, I'm getting my PhD. I'll have it at the end of this year, you know, and I'm always learning I've invested hundreds of 1000s of dollars in my education outside of academia as well. You know, I So it's not like you're not pursuing education and you're not pursuing growth, and you're not pursuing expanding your knowledge and expertise, which doesn't make it any different than people that may be feeling

overwhelmed. But that overwhelm is coming from a place of just wanting to have some form of expansion. And they don't have necessarily the tools that you have, they don't have the natural intuition that you have and the way that you are built and created. I think you know what I'm saying? Like, she can't necessarily fault them for that. I didn't always have this intuition or this word mean, right. Like, this really accelerated like four or five

years ago, right. Like when I was, I mean, yeah, I was definitely not always as intuitive like, Yeah, I'd claim it everything's but there was no way like, it's like a muscle that I've exercised. Like when I was in like high school or college, you know, like, show, I'd have like moments, but I had no idea what was happening. Like, I still chose the path. Right. And that's why I think that's why I hear what you're

saying. But I think the argument on people like my side, right, when people could say, oh, well, you had this for your PhD, or you had this opportunity, like, sure. But there's many people that are in my situation that haven't chosen that, like there's still some part of me that always chosen decided, and I think that's a very

misunderstood thing. And manifestation because I don't, I think that there's not a lot of people that are 29 that are going to be a doctor at a top 50 global university or program, you know, like that. That's not me, plus, having a multiple six figure business. That didn't

happen by accident, right? Like, I didn't come from a family who was making millions of dollars a year, I didn't come from a family that even entrepreneurs, right, like, I had a lot of letting go and a lot of releasing, I showed up to seven, nine day retreats, you know, when I didn't have the money, and I didn't know how it was

gonna work. And I did default on payments, you know, and I did have to go through $100,000 of debt and credit card debt, like there are things that I absolutely had to choose even when I didn't have it. And I chose it anyway. And that's where that magic comes in.

Because I had such a strong belief that there was more, and I knew I wanted more, and I and that that is the difference between those who Yeah, don't make it and do like, I hate to break it that obviously, but it really is like that that is and so I have compassion people who want to look at my side of the journey and say, well, oh, that was given to you, or Oh, that was whatever. But I chose it in

so many ways. Like I chose going to all these countries, when I didn't have the money, like I chose showing up to places when it was like, literally, I had negative in my account. When I got to, like I had to basically make sales when I was in a flight. I did a link had a sale and I didn't make money. Like I was literally going to be in a country I did not, you know, speak the language didn't know. And I was I don't know what I was gonna do. But it always worked. But I showed up to the

teachings and the work. I showed up to the journals, I showed up to my conversations with something higher. So yeah, I mean, I guess you could say that, Oh, not everyone has it, but I didn't have it, I made it happen. And I made I chose in the moments when I didn't have it. So you know, I think it's easy to look at me now and say that, but I, I think I could also look at an engineer and say, Well, you were just born into a linear thinking mind, you could just make designs and

architect and shapes. And they'll be like, No, I've 30 years of experience and whatever

that it is. And so I don't know, I think whatever your experience is, but I think once you experience something in life, that same ability that you've had, you can transition that to wherever you want to go like an engineer or a you know, I've met many of them, you know, if you really wanted to change addition, that engineer into a different career, like a design engineer, or digital engineer, you wanted to go into architecture, you could do that.

I mean, it would take a little bit of new learning of some new skills, or I mean, some new information, but the skill set is transferable. So I don't know, I think that it's I think it's an excuse for people, in my opinion to not do the work. But I think everyone has their own journey as well.

I believe that and I appreciate you giving clarity to that because I love challenging you because you've got such a broad spectrum of awareness and understanding over the subject that anytime that I do I tend to get not only one answer, but I get a multitude of answers that just completely shift the way of my thinking and I appreciate that about you. One thing that you mentioned that I really liked was essentially a consistent sense of self or a personal investment one's

belief. So a personal investment oneself which is what you do, which is like you decided that you wanted to go you decided that you wanted to have no money and or to make a decision without having the financial backing and taking risk and things like that, and putting yourself in physical location so that you can overextend your, your mind. Excuse me. I thought that was really interesting because I think the way that our beliefs work is that they're

often so intertwined. With how we define ourselves as people that we, it's almost like we I don't know, I feel like it's like how we create our our identity. And then that identity becomes like this static thing, when in reality, we should do what you did, which is creating more of a dynamic perspective. So we want to feel like we're consistent. What's that? I don't think you have to do what I did. I don't think that's, you know, everyone has their path. But I think many

people look at my life. No, I don't mean like eggs. I don't mean exact, I'm saying is doing what you did in the sense that you were, you're, what you were doing was dynamic. What most of us do is static, we stay in one place. So we create this identity, that identity then defines us. And then that that then is the permanent fixture versus having this dynamic. Where we're, we're constantly evolving, like this is just a piece of our identity versus like this is it? That's what I mean. Makes sense.

Yeah, it does. And I think the important thing to notice, I think the important thing to notice on that is, yeah, I'm not saying to do what I did, I'm not by here saying like, whatever. But I do think a lot of people look at my life and look at the trajectory of my life and go, this girl is created a lot, she's transformed. You can't argue the girls helping change people's lives. That's a non

negotiable argument. If you just look at my social media, and you look at my website, and anyone who looks at any client that ever talks to me, you know, I that's a non negotiable, even though I'm very early on in my business, right. And, you know, I've traveled the world, you can argue with that I have made multiple six figures in the

online world in four years. I mean, that normally doesn't happen people for 567 years, you know, and the community I've built the things I've done, like, I'm not saying you have to do what I've done. But if you look at the life that I have, and you see that you want something and that you want the money, you want the beauty you want to be able to buy whatever you want, live wherever you want, travel, wherever you want, have amazing relationships with

multimillionaires. 10 million 100 million billionaires, like if you want that, right. Like, if you want that network, then yeah, I would I if I was you, if I when I was you, and I was someone, I shut up. And I got around the people that had what I had. And I did that and listened. And so that's why I say it's easy for people to look at me now. And sure go like, Oh, she was just that way and actually had a post I did on it. Like I'm high maintenance or something like that. I forget

exactly what it was. But I did a blog on that. And sure, it's easy to look at that. But no, I chose it. Like there was momentum, I had physical, nervous system breakdowns of money of like, oh my god, how's this gonna work? Like, I remember the first big investment I did was like after 30 or anything was 7000. Before my 30,000 I mean, I physically had to leave the room that I was bawling that I just invested $7,000 straight cash, that I just received that that was

unimaginable to me, right? And like, I remember, like, everyone's gonna be okay, but it was my my brain broke, like, I did not understand that you would transaction this much cash. Like that was insane. To me. It felt like the end of the world, like so yeah, I guess it's easy to say all these things, you know, but I still am a regular person that made decisions for a greater I don't know a greater evolvement over

my life. You know, like, I have messages like I have things in my computer that share like I've written letters like I've I've hopped timelines, and I've gone and been in the 50 year old calling, like, I've literally made this person I've literally written a letter to myself and the 50 year old calling to me calling them from the 30 year old calling, I'd like I've done

these things. And I actually when I write these letters, like type them, I can feel my older self, my most high self and those timelines coming through of what my life is becoming. So I don't know. And you can say, Sure, how do you make that happen? What do you do? And you can ask all these logical linear

thinking questions. Sure. But the reason I'm here the reason I do this work is because I saw people who lived that logical, logical, linear life, I saw them with cancer on their deathbed at age 14, and they were not happy. So you can sit there and you can narrate any type of question, but the reality is, I've seen you I've already seen your future and what that looks like.

And it has nothing but in guided me to such a fear to live nothing like you'd want to be nothing like you and to be the embodiment and example of people that I will be proud of in my family, my children my legacy. puplic Wow, she really did it. Right. And that's how crucial I guess I am on it, because it's not inspiring. It's not nice, it's not kind it's not from the

heart. It's it's nothing and the reality is when you act like that, it's because you're so in fear of a closed heart that if you open it the slightest and you get fucked over and you you lose $10,000 or $5,000 or I don't know you lose a friend or get a divorce that the world is going to be so cruel but it's like You're killing yourself already, because you're not even

open to anything new. And so I don't know, I mean, I think in my life right now, like the way that I kind of pull my mind is definitely in love relationships, like the way that I'm manifesting how I want to navigate that, like, do I really believe in marriage, and I do believe in marriage has gotten these constructs that are very deeply interwoven in me, because my parents have been married for 30 years very in love. That is a

very sacred union in my head. So to like, go into a more of a new age perspective of relating, I have not been able to break my mind of that. And I don't know if I want to. That's the other duality. So I've listened, you know, I listen to people, I listen to things, but I obviously am not, not, I don't know if I'm willing. And if you're not willing to live a life of magic, you are okay, with what you're doing, then

just stay with that. It's like, it's a very, like, simple, but I think if you're already here, you're already having that dialogue of what is right for me. And I'm trying to figure that out. Yeah, I mean, I, I see what you're saying, and I understand your perspective. And, and just to clarify, you know, people will linear thinking. The reason why it comes out logically is because that's the only form of communication that we have. I mean, how do we answer a

question? Or how do we even ask a question, like, what is manifesting? How do we manifest? How do you get into a place of abundance? Well, now there's actual linear thinking that have been proven by science that can be explained. So that kind of goes against, like, your reasoning and your, your particular logic, which is not logic at all. And that's not to say that, that that's, you know, challenging that, that that belief, I'm just saying that there's always more than one way

to skin a cat. And, and everybody's perspectives, and their stories and their timelines and their belief systems and how they were raised and all that stuff throughout their their life. That I mean, that can change topsy turvy, you can go up and go down and go left to go right go sideways, it

doesn't matter. Some people can can find abundance, get into manifesting completely go backwards, like it's, yeah, I just think that we have to, I just think that we have to understand that humans are fickle creatures, and you have to be innately innately disciplined. And, and I think sincerely and wholeheartedly and genuinely wanting this.

Otherwise, if you don't, and you can't just completely subject yourself to it and allow yourself that freedom, then, yeah, you're restricted, and you won't be able to create everything that you've wanted to create. That's just my two cents. Well, I think the other thing is are like, right, the journey to enlightenment, right? I mean, the journey of enlightenment is

like, you are literally dying. I mean, that it's like, Look, you are surrendering everything, like Alan Watts, you know, going into nothingness, like you are literally emptying your mind. So it can be a vessel to be filled, right? And, yeah, if you don't want lightness like, yeah, I wouldn't be the teacher for you, right? I mean, there's many other masculine men and masculine woman who teach manifestation in a very logical, linear way, or I don't even know if they teach manifestation.

They teach networking, you know, go to the networking event, say, Hi, who are you? What problem do you solve? What do you do, make sure you get a phone call afterward to build business? Like there are people that do that, right? And I'm sure it works. I don't, I don't feel when I go, that these people are very fulfilled, or when I read their energy, and I tune in psychologically to their things from what I know about psychology that they're

fulfilled. And obviously, I've had a lot of practice at this. But I, I think what you said was really powerful is, well, you have to ask a question to begin. Or you could just claim God's source universe, I want to be happy, I want to feel good. Show me the way that that is, that is when you are in a total surrender of I can no longer carry the weight of this world because it is so deeply painful inside of me, I need help. And that is the point when you are

ready. That is the point when it's getting to the momentum of it is no longer just you, you know that there is something deeper and I can only speak on that because I know that feeling so deeply so profoundly, that my devotion to life has become that and like you said, I mean, yeah, people can say whatever they want. But Jeff Bezos even said it beautifully. You can live a life of safety and security or live a life of risk impacted adventure. Choose your path Yeah, this was good. I did want

to end on one thing. I I think that I think I think when You're so here's my thing. And this is this is about growth, but it ties into manifesting because this is kind of how I view the

world. You ever heard, I'm sure you've heard this quote, like when you when you want, when you want success, or you want you want that goal, what do you want that thing, as much as, as you want oxygen as much as you want to breathe, then then you'll know, at that point, like, then you'll be able to do everything that you're that you're willing or that you're wanting to

accomplish. So the way that I look at it is like, you have to be in a situation where either it's got to be some form of traumatic situation, or, or an epiphany, or, you know, like, I've had breakthroughs in meditation where I'm like, Holy shit, like what just happened, like, you have this profound experience of some kind, whether it be, you know, a death of a loved one, you know, near death experience, I'm sure we've all have heard those, you know, your, you know, worst case

scenario is down on your luck, you've been homeless, whatever the case, I feel like extreme situations, cause is a causation of something, some new creation. And a lot of times, I don't think people even realize that they're actually that they're actually manifesting because they're put in this in this place where it's like, they're completely raw, you know, a unfiltered, there's, there's nothing like they have nothing, they've stripped everything off of them. And they're just lying

there in the street naked. And they're receptive, because they have nothing left. And that was my experience. And that's some of the experiences that I've had with some of my closest friends that have either, you know, overcome addiction, or overcome the stories that they tell themselves and have found tremendous success. Whatever the case may be, or overcome a relationship, overcome divorce overcome, you know, a marriage that was on the brink of destruction, and now it's

flourishing. And just like, is that a form of manifestation? Because it is, I think, is an actually just did a post on our video on that yesterday, like even your most negative manifestations is a form of manifestation because it's a line of communication. Yeah, yeah. So, I don't know, I see I see a lot for men is like when they're when their backs against the wall. They have two

choices. And this is I'm saying, Man, because this is what I've experienced, and what men friends of mine have experienced it. Not saying women can't experience this, this is just my own personal experience, is that when they're up against a wall, they they have two choices, they could fold, or they can figure

it out. And a lot of times without figuring out it, especially like, like, in today's world, we found that a lot of times it's it's really backed up with coaching and a lot of the coaching that I've personally had, even though it wasn't specific manifestation, everything that I was taught was essentially creating this, this new story, which is this new belief system, which is then fuckin manifestation, right? Yeah, essentially,

I think that you're crazy. I think the next part though, like the good part is like there's nothing like when you said, like, you have to figure it out. Like, there is literally nothing to figure out and there's things that are only to remember and the more that you try to think you're gonna out. What do you mean by that? The more that you think you're going to outdo God source universe, you're going to figure out something outside of

the universe. Like you just have like the cosmic systems like you're like, yeah, the more you think that the worst is going to be because you're not you're we talked about surrender in episode two, or, you know, series, part two of this three part series, you know, like, remembering Well, that's what I mean by figuring out figuring out is surrendering to this, whatever this thing is, yeah, being able to understand that. And the dad I don't understand what do you mean, that's a remembrance?

Yeah. So the body carries wisdom, right? The body this is back into the science right? The body carries a wisdom because energy cannot be created or destroyed. The energy running through your body right has been here, it's not it has your body has not created anything new on this earth. So okay, your body carries a wisdom that's always communicating to you, which is what we talked about, in part one, I believe when we talk about your channel, and that you know, what you're receiving

through your channel. So anyway, you have to allow yourself to be in a state of stillness, like we just said, emptying your mind from this place of emptiness, the place of your mind being having the opportunity to be filled up. There's an remembering that occurs and where there's a memory inside of you that comes up that His birth and that was like my first book, it was came from a memory came from my body, remembering when I was in scenarios with cancer.

And when I saw men yell at their wives saying that they can't pay for their treatment because they're a stay at home mom, when I saw families being broken apart because of money and the child seeing this who's dying, right, it was like something so sacred to me loved my body, and to absorb that and I remembered I had the memory in the moment of meditation. And so there was nothing for me to figure out the whole time I was resisting

stillness. because when I sat in stillness, the memory would have come up with that memory is painful. That holds pain. And so I mean, this could go into like past lifetime stuff. I mean, but but when you have this memory, you begin to remember why you're here, you begin to know that there's a light avatar team, or there's the cosmos or there's aliens. And that's why even when he's in them, like, oh, humans, like I don't really, my clients aren't humans, my clients are

aliens. And it's like, they're human. I don't like I'm not really here for humans. But it's, you know, you have this point, when you want to remember from that memory, you began to see that you were here placed on a specific mission to do specific things. And when you have that you cultivate a trust.

And you begin to declare and claim that, again, that point of when you decide to declare and claim that no one's really known, but your body always carries the memory, the wisdom, for you to sit in stillness, and the right things will come up, which has nothing to figure out. Like, there's nothing you need to figure out. But just sitting there. How long you need to sit there, how frequently it's different for everybody. That's part of the magic of it. That's the art and the science unifying.

Interesting. That's a fascinating way to look at it was definitely application. I've never, it's not just that I just never looked at. Yeah, I've never looked at it from the perspective of like, remembering, like, you're in a state of remembrance that your body is. That's, that's interesting. That's very interesting. I've learned a lot. I love it on these calls, but especially this one, like, wow. And, and here's here's a tip to everyone listening. If you're listening to this, you're like,

Whoa, bro, what the fuck? Oh, you know, it's, it's completely different than the typical stuff that you talked about was just habits, disciplines, and blah, blah, blah. Like, yeah, it is. But here's the deal. Like you, you have to be, you have to be receptive, you have to be receptive into open and learning new things, you have to reset. If you think that the way the world works, and everybody's saying the same shit is like,

uniform. And that's the way that it's just going to be and everyone's going to learn the same way. You're out of your fucking mind. Like, here's the reality like she's, she's, she's an expert in this field, and we're able to be able to assimilate and understand something. And I'm questioning her, but I'm questioning her because I'm trying to understand and I know, those that are listening to this are probably having the same question. So, you know, we're able to break

that down. She's able to decipher that and give us you know, her honest answers. And if you want to learn more, go check her out. But let me tell you this. I feel like I have. I sincerely feel like I've gained perspective. And going from like, because I was struggling with manifesting, like I still don't understand like what it is. But I've been ever since we've been talking I've been trying to be in the state like a like a like a, like a constant

state. So like, after our first call, I had to call a friend of mine. And we were talking again about gratitude. And he said, Because I told him was like Kata still feels insincere. It still feels like I'm faking this shit. Like, guess there's certain things where I'm like, This is awesome. I vibe with it, I connect with it. But then there's there's instances where I'm like, This just feels like I'm lying to myself, I can't

keep I can't do that part. And he's like, Well, instead of, instead of like you trying to use all these tools to, to find and be in gratitude. Why don't you just wake up being in gratitude? Why don't you just align? And then we had a second conversation. I'm like, fuck me. Because what he said, made me understand what you said. You see what I'm saying? Like now? There's always and he was the masculine? I was the feminine. Yes, yes. But it clarified it

for me. And it was literally like a light went off in my brain. I'm like, Oh, my God. That's what she meant. So for everyone out listening, they're like, Take Take this, think about it, meditate on it, learn more from her. And this has been great calling like, I don't know, we might have to do like a series a year assumption. This is so good. I love it. I've learned a lot I appreciate you giving me Yeah, I appreciate you giving me the time. And and this

is going to be awesome. I'm going to actually release this in a three part series. The reason why I haven't posted it yet. It's because I've been conjuring up ideas. And I'm going to do some promotion for it. So we're going to release in a three part series. And it's an the way that we're going to do it is that we are going to give people snippets of the podcast and and then those that are subscribers are going to be able to to listen to the full

podcast. And so we're going to we're going to incentivize them. And we're you and I are going to talk about this off camera, but we're going to incentivize them with something that maybe something you can offer. So yeah, awesome. I'm super awesome, super grateful. And I think the last thing is to close it out was like one thing you said and yeah, I think it's I think it's challenging because it's almost like trying to understand psychology right? When I'm understanding psychology it's

it's difficult, right? When I'm understanding electrical engineering, it's difficult. But when you begin to understand there's nothing to understand. There's only things to experience. There's only things that show up an experience and you stop with the mind of trying to get it. It locks in. Like the soonest I stopped being like, I need to be an engineer. I know this stuff. Like it just locked in the sales happened at 100,000. A million, like these

were just happening. And the more you're conceptually trying to understand love. The more doesn't happen, the more you just go and experience dinner, the more you just go and experience a movie date, the more you experience, like being lost in a phone call with someone like the more you just experienced that. Yeah, it happens, you can't understand that there's nothing to

understand. Like, the biggest thing is to literally put yourself into an experience and just let it be and let the memory within the body come to life. And that will then be your living breathing experience.

Right. And so I think that's what I would focus it with and what that I think the max experience that I would say is if you want to know more is get into my how to become a powerful manifester eight week course because that's an experience that will I mean, definitely enlighten you transform. How do they find that? Yeah, so if you just go on my social media, the Colleen Gallagher, you'll be able to find links or go to my website Colleen gallagher.co. Awesome. Yeah. Thanks so much.

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