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I had said I watched u Con three times in the regular season. I said, They're not only the best team I've saw in college basketball, they are easily the best team I saw in college basketball. Listen, there's just not many teams in the last twenty years that look like this. In the last twenty five years, Yukon has won six titles. They are now inevitable the last team in college basketball that I remember feeling this way about,
and I think Yukon is better than this team. Was that what twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen Villanova team where you had Jalen Brunson, Eric Pascal, Michale Bridges. I don't think they had this team's size or this team's depth, but you had Jay Wright, three NBA players. They were really, really good and it was Villanova. So like Yukon, they're tough, East Coast physical. I like the refs letting them play.
I mean, the first thing that jumped out to me in this game, and Jay Wright, who's an excellent broadcaster, pointed it out, is that with Klingen, they weren't double teaming Zach Edy. So Zach Edy was making tough shots, but they weren't allowing. And this is good coaching by Dan Hurley. They just didn't give Purdue any three point looks, so their guards weren't doing anything, so it was a mismatch.
Early Yukon's guards were getting theirs lots of open looks and fact, the only thing Yukon did not do well tonight was hit its open threes. They were okay, they hit some, not all of them. Other than that. Yukon does not lose when they lead it half. It was thirty six thirty and they were forty seven to zero.
And like the Golden State Warriors, well coached teams come out in that first five or six minutes of the second half and you can tell they've made changes, alterations, and Yukon came out and I felt at halftime, I thought Purdue's gonna go on one of these eight to zho ten zero runs, which is virtually impossible against Yukon because they're so good defensively A and B. They get so many second chance offensive rebound points even when they miss shots and they get good looks. Yukon does not
get bad looks. They're ball screening their movement. They come down and get great looks almost every time down the floor, and if they miss, they get second chance opportunities. So it's hard to go in a run with Yukon, and that's what Yukon does. Yukon's defense makes yr even makes tough.
Zach Edie made a lot of shots in the first half, but if you go back and look at the last four or five minutes of the first half, zach Edie looked a little gassed, he looked tired, he was having to work for his shots, and they weren't double teaming. But they're so physical. And I said this on FS one today, I said, Zach Edie's the big, but Clinging's a seven footer and everywhere else on the floor, Yukon has a size advantage. So it just kind of felt inevitable.
And Yukon games all look the same. It's like they're a heavyweight fighter. First couple of rounds, they feel you out. But I think over time it's really difficult to match their size, their depth, and their physicality. And Dan Hurley has said it, they just wear your ass out. Yukon just wears you out. And at one point their guards had a twenty nine to twelve advantage, So you know, I think what you're looking at is the best college basketball program men's are women's right now in the last
twenty five years. For a while it was Yukon women now at South Carolina women, But for the last twenty five years, at least in the men's game, Yukon has pulled away from Michigan State, Kansas, Duke, Carolina, Villanova, and I don't see him slowing down with Hurley's got another ten years minimum to coach. I think it's funny. He's intense, but unlike a John Calipari and I'll get to that in about five minutes. He's got some self awareness. He's
got a sense of humor. You know, he can be a salesman, I'm sure in the recruiting trail, but they just coach. Yukon's really well coached. I really feel they remind me of of Villanova with Jay Wright. The difference is I think Yukon recruits at a higher level. Jay Wright made a living out of three star guys playing and developing into NBA players. You know, Yukon will go out and get four and five star guys. What you're looking They didn't. I didn't think Yukon shot the ball
particularly well. They missed a lot of open threes. But there's I mean everything about Yukon. They're coaching their size, their movement, their tenacity, their offensive rebounding Situationally. The other thing is, and I always feel about this about teams. The great teams like make it look pretty effortless. Michael Jordan made it look like he's six six. It's not the biggest guy on the floor. The best peer shooter, why does he get always get great looks? Yukon gets
really good looks. Their guards, highly experienced, beat you off the dribble, break you down. Then they have like math advantages going to the basket, they can lob to biggs to finish, they go to the corner. They just come down in three out of four times they get great looks, and again when they miss, they get second chance opportunities. There's just nothing else out like it. And the other thing is is that the culture. When when Dan Hurley was on my show, it was a couple of mondays ago,
he said something was really poignant. He said, Yukon attracts serious people, and that was the new England Patriots dynasty. Maybe it's the cold weather. You know, I don't know what it is in the Northeast, but not a lot of bs like you stores Connecticut. You're going there for basketball, You're going there to be coached. You know, a lot of these programs out there, you know, like Kentucky basketball was a lot of sizzle and not a lot of
steak under Calipari, you know what I mean. It was a lot of look at what our guys make in the NBA and look at the recruiting. But in the end, it was just it was just accumulating rankings. It wasn't about building great teams. The last five or six years. Yukon is the opposite of Kentucky. It's not about the coach and the suits and the salary, and it's self awareness. It's building teams. It's tenacity, it's accountability. I just I
like everything about Yukon basketball. It's it's old school, and you don't have a ton of size in college basketball. So Zach Eaedy is a handful. I mean, you know the NBA, everybody's everybody's big. Lucas six seven, guards are big or thick. You know, threes, Lebron six eight and a half, he's a three. Everybody's got size, and you don't in college basketball. So Zach Edy just ran through this tournament and Purdue's excellent. I think you ran into
a buzzsaw. It was funny. I a lot of people like Purdue in the points tonight, and I thought about it with my guys at the Volume and DraftKings. I thought about it for about an hour this morning. I was going back and forth, and I'm like, what am I doing?
Here.
What's going to happen is Zaki ed He's gonna get his twenty something points. But in the end, you're going to get so many offensive rebounds from Yukon. They're going to control the glass outside of edy. I mean, if you really think about this game, Perdue did what they wanted to do. They got both of Yukon's bigs into foul trouble, and Yukon couldn't hit open threes. I mean it kind of went their way, and they still looked
like they were absolutely outclassed. After Newton hit that three at the start of the second half and it was thirty nine to thirty, I just didn't feel at that point it was over. They weren't getting Purdue wasn't getting enough good open looks on threes. You can tell this in sporting events. It doesn't matter what sport it is, but you notice a lot in football where team's getting first downs, albeit barely. They're just getting over the chain,
they're barely moving the sticks. They're having to work for every first down, and over the course of time, you got to get some easy stuff. Yukon gets good looks, a lot of open looks, and they didn't hit all of them, and they still won. Going away. Way to go Yukon. You know, I've said this before, there's so much movement in college basketball between the portal and transferring and guys leaving early for leagues. I really like what Yukon stands for. It's you know, I was there for
ten to eleven years, went to games. Everybody I knew was a Yukon fan. My daughter had a coach when she was playing basketball for a few years, and even the way they coached, you know, my daughter's like, you know, the sixth grade basketball, seventh grade basketball, even the way that team coached, hard practices, all out effort physicality. I used to love going to my daughter's practice because just how hard they practice and and how precise and detailed
they were, and it's just it's an accountability. They're principled, and I like, in a world of transferring and getting mine, Yukon stands for all this stuff that I think is really important. There's there's a value set of standards for Hurly, his dad, his brother and him just an incredibly to me an incredibly likable program. They play hard, they play clean, and I give the officials I'm going to give them some a tip of the cap. We see this a
lot in championship games or championship fights. Officials back off and let you play. That game was really really physical in the first half, and the referees let him play. Now, eventually Edie creates so much contact. You know, he gets a friendly whistle from time to time, but he creates so much contact that they're inevitably, invariably they're fouls. And you know, Yukon's bigs got into foul trouble, but it could have been. They could have been in foul trouble
much sooner. But the refs let them play, you know, let the bigs play, let them battle on the glass. Effort wins, depth wins, length wins, and that's where Yukon's at. I also want to congratulations to the Huskies and Purdue. Good to see a Big ten team. I think it's gonna get a monster number. Even though it wasn't a close game. You know the Northeast is watching. I hate that it's a nine to twenty Eastern tip off for college sports, especially you know, for years and years, Monday
night football started really late. I never loved that, but when I lived out East, one of the things I pined for was moving back west so I could watch games at a reasonable hour. So I don't mind doing this right now as I look at mine, So it's eight forty three where I'm at, but you know it's almost midnight on the East Coast. People have to work tomorrow. Don't love that all right? John Middlecoff, former NFL Scout three, announced the podcast. Let's start with Caitlin Clark. I watched
it on a plane. Generally, the great team eats the great player. I think Yukon is going to beat Zach Edie. I think, I mean South Carolina's bench at one point had thirty points. Ioways had none. So the better team. Frankly, I thought Yukon women were better than Iowa. I thought the last two games Caitlyn Clark just kept him close. I've heard Trey Young. She's a better passer than Trey Young.
Yeah.
I mean it's at this point. Even Lebron came on X and said, listen, if you don't like your game, stay away from those people. Those people are crazy people. Between the continuity and chemistry of women's basketball because they're all coming back juniors and seniors, the quality of basketball is really good. I mean, but the product's good when I watch it.
I thought these last two games, and listen beside a couple of times last year, It's not like I've been glued to Caitlyn Clark's season.
I was riveted.
I mean that yukon Game one because you think she's gonna lose. Yeah, clearly you're playing Geno in all time pro and she willed her team to win.
Colin.
I was tempted at they were a big underdog. I almost gambled on women's college basketball game and it wasn't going to be a small amount. But I got obviously South Carolina had lost, and you knew earlier, Like God, this South Carolina team is loaded with athletes. They had five new starters from last year. It's like the Alabama of college basketball right now. But she is what I don't understand, and I get it. Like I defend the guys in the NBA from the eighties and nineties who
could be negative towards the newer guys. They're not talking about Steph Curry and Giannis. They're talking about the percentage of guys making these two hundred million dollar contracts that should not be making that I'd be bitter too if I was them. You saw a lot of former women's stars come out. It's like, guys, this is I'm going to pay attention to what she does in the WNBA now claiming I'm going to get the WNBA package here,
But she's the first player to get me to pay attention. Obviously, college basketball, women's or men's their brand, IOWA brand is infinitely bigger than the WNBA as a whole, right, right, So it's not it's harder to compare, but she clearly has transcended it at all, and she just we don't feel and see this that often. Well, right, it happens every so often, and especially in a sport like women's college bat is cool.
Yeah, I mean, Cheryl Miller got twelve million viewers back in eighty three. I went and looked it up on YouTube. The women's game is much better, but it is a phenomena, and phenomenons don't grow to the sky like the numbers will come back down to earth. The games that get ratings are ones with Caitlin and the game following one with Caitlin, which retains about you know, about sixty.
Fifteen million people are watching these women's college basketball games.
I mean, that's an incredible ACCOMPLI yeah, and the quality is just better.
But I think Cheryl Miller. I can remember being fascinated with Cheryl Miller. Nancy Lieberman was great, but I don't know if I was. I wasn't fascinated by her. She was just great. But I think Caitlyn's got the magic dust, and I don't think you get it very often. I think Michael had it. I think Tiger had it. Tiger changed my viewing habits on Sunday. The Sopranos and Tiger would change my viewing habits. I mean, oh, Tani, I'll tell you a guy that had it. I don't know
how long he had it. But when jose Canseco all the steroid rumors came into Major League baseball, I can remember getting off a plane in San Diego, going down to the luggage carousel, go down the escalator and everybody's gathered around the bar and I'm like what I mean, like more five deep at an airport luggage. Jose Canseco was at the plate, and I can remember going to a Mariner's game. I got great seats like a one, two, three, four, and the A's were in town. Mariner games didn't sell out.
Back then, there were fifty thousand people in the Ugly Kingdom, So there are for various reasons, some people are controversial Connor McGregor, jose Canseco. But I think she falls under its magical. It just doesn't look I mean, she did a she missed a shot today, but she took a step back. I'm like, that's a twenty eight footshot. That's Steph and only Steph's range.
Well, I think when Steph did that at Davidson, it was unlike anything we'd ever seen. And obviously he went on to become I don't know, a top ten player of all time, but it was clear, like I've never quite seen anything like this. And maybe this has happened in women's college basketball to some form or fashion before, but people weren't watching.
That's not being mean or anything. That's just a fact.
Yeah, and for whatever reason, this girl got people. And I mean, my mom, I'm driving around today, I see random people walking around with Iowa T shirts all over Scottsdale.
It is done.
It's a powerful thing. I don't know what else to say.
Yeah, I was flying back from Chicago, so the game started, and then at halftime that was about the time that I could board the flight. But I was sitting there in the lounge and I looked over and every single person was on their phone watching, and I went to grab something to eat, and I just kind of looked at everybody.
Everybody.
You don't see that in the NBA playoffs. You see it in the NFL, where I can literally drive down the street in Los Angeles and if I could see inside houses on a Sunday night or a Saturday night. With the NFL playoffs, everybody's watching, Like every television in LA sometimes a dispassionate football town. Everybody's watching. Everybody in the lounge. I was in two Man to Women young old, so if it got twenty four million people, I would not be shocked.
I think there's something that resonates with people. I mean Tiger is a good example. When Phil Knight was following his career in high school, right, I mean, Peyton Manning could have gone wherever he wanted in high school. Steph Curry, remember, couldn't even get recruited to his dad's alma Modern Virginia Tech. Now Caden Clark, I think was a different level high
school project, but like Gino wouldn't call her back. Yeah, so, I mean, clearly she feels like one of the great girls that would have been at Yukon, that would have been at Tennessee under Pat Summit, or at South Carolina, but she ended up at Iowa with I don't have the scatting report on all the top colleges. It doesn't quite feel like their squad is as good as some of these other squads from a talent standpoint. Definitely from
a side standpoint. So what she did is just something that we will however her career goes on from here, it'll be something that no one will ever forget, which is cool, Like that what sports it about having some fun?
Well?
Yeah, I mean.
It's what boxing needs. You know, boxing's been dying, Allie Tyson. They just don't have anybody. And you know, the great, the great male athletes aren't going into boxing. If they want to fight, they go UFC. Sure, but it's just you don't get these stories very often you get them. I mean, I just I can count you know, two hands in my lifetime. I mean, as good as Phil Micholson is and he drives me to a TV. But I'm a sportscaster. Tiger was different. I always said my mom,
my late mother, didn't know sport. She was from Great Britain. She had no idea who Derek Jeter was. She knew who a Rod was. That's a superstar. Sports fans, you know, they know who Josh Allen is. My mom knew who Brett Farv was, or Peyton Manning was, or Tom Brady was. There's a big difference between. There's a lot of good basketbas Sue Byrd. I mean there's been like dominant players before. It's like, yeah, Caitlyn Clark's different. That's a comp that's a whole different ball game.
Can I give you a theory I had on what the Dolphins should do after what just happened. So the Bills, who I've said the overreaction that they're just gonna suck, which maybe they take a huge.
Step back, but they'll be fu Yeah, by far have.
The best quarterback who to me is the second best quarterback in the league and clearly one of the great quarterbacks we've seen in recent memory. Tall it was, Yeah, the Dolphins have a big question mark with their quarterback who's turned out to be solid but the biggest moments these last couple of years has crumbled like a cookie.
Ye and this year.
I remember talking to Veach and Andy at the combine and they said, and Veach specifically said, when you walked out on that playoff game, He's like, that's the coldest thing I've ever encountered. I was even nervous just for my own guys, even though I knew we had mahomes versus them, but I was like, got it and it wasn't even close.
Then they had no shot the Dolphins.
So now before you give a guy a couple hundred million dollars, wouldn't you go no excuses? Now Belichick's with his kid in Seattle. You got who knows what New England's doing. The Jets, I mean are three pulled hamstrings and achilles from be At everyone getting fired, and the Bills lost a lot of talent. They just if we can't do it this year, I mean, we just had it felt like a twenty game lead halfway through the season, and then somehow we didn't win the division and they did.
If we can't win it this year, we can't pay this guy. And then, I mean, it's a home playoff game. We should win a playoff game. Wouldn't you just play this year out? You're already under the cap, like, he's already his money, his money this year, my wife pay him this year.
Let's let's kind of do approve it your little flacko style.
Dak and Tua, in my opinion, will be available on the market potentially next year. There's no doubt in my mind.
I mean, Jered, I would not pay Tua right now, given everything that just happened.
I wouldn't pay back if you start off.
I think they're hesitant to do that.
Ye literally, yeah, so I think I think too. Uh. I think Tua is gonna be on the market next year. By the way, there's gonna be a kirk Cousins level guy in the market, one minimum two probably for the rest of the years. We do this for a living, because it's pretty clear in the NFL now, two quarterbacks get you to a super Bowl, a superstar. There's six, you know, Stafford Allen, whoever Malmes or a really talented young guy on a rookie contract.
That's it.
That's the only thing that gets it. So good guys getting paid handsomely. Kirk Cousins Dak Tua. You can't pay Tua, So I think Tua will be on the market and there'll be a team that's like listen, we're stacked everywhere else or competency gets rewarded. Kirk Cousins has made more money than Tom Brady playing quarterback. Competency plus and that's what Dak and kirkar Competency plus gets paid in every business. All right, bring in Nick right Lebron James Son is
an NBA athlete. I don't think right now currently he's quite an NBA player. I think they would draft him, send him to the G League, give him a year and he Mick Cronin said the other day, the UCLA coach, he's not as quick or as fast as he was pre cardiac arrest. He's not quite the player, but I watched him. But I've watched him enough, seen his hops, seen his handles. He's got a beautiful jumper. He's got a beautiful looking jumper. I like he's jumper better right.
It looks good he is for his shooting percentage is not good, but it doesn't look like there's a problem with no.
In fact, I like it better than his dad's. I think his shooting is very natural. Bigger players don't yet generally, you know Larry Bird, Katie the exception. A lot of times the six or four guys got the perfect jump, for the perfect look, the perfect hand size. But here here's the thing, and I don't know how necessarily to explain this is that this is the worst draft, maybe as bad as the Anthony Bennett draft. So as more mothers are telling their kids do not play football, more mothers.
This is in Los Angeles. I have a buddy that listened in Brentwood. He's like, I'm like an outcast for letting my kids play tackle football.
I was at the sidebar to it. I was at a card game with some Hollywood and finance folks, low stakes for they by their standards for sure, or else I wouldn't have been able to play in it. And there was a very very smart guy there who had enough money that he when I was like, how do I know this name? I didn't know who he was at the time, but I was like, I know this
name's Drafter. I left the card game, I googled his name and I was like, oh, you almost bet you almost bet you almost This baseball team like six years ago. I want to see the But he said that, like he and he was a very sharp guy, and he was like, yeah, I don't think football should be legal under eighteen years old. And I didn't agree with him. But Mike, I'm just echoing your point that there are a lot of people that are not letting their kids
even consider playing tackle football. Particularly I bet it Skew's higher income and things like that. But go ahead, as you were saying about Brownie.
Yet you can get brought pretty in the final pick. Half the league is undrafted Kurt Warner, Tony Romo and drafted. Yeah, the NBA is a global game, and people are suggesting they're not three surefire NBA starters in this draft. There's two rounds. There's almost no players after the twelfth pick. It's a cheaper sport to play. Hockey and football are expensive. It's a global sport. Is that saying that the NBA
is so good it's impossible to make it? Is it saying our domestic culture is broken and our players are distracted and not skilled enough. How in the world could you have a global sport. We don't have a shortage of great baseball players, great hockey players, we're having drafts like every third draft is talentless.
Yeah, but I so I think it's actually more the first than the second, because the league is more talented now than at any point in my lifetime. True, there, And so I think it is less that, oh my god, there's not good players. It's that the bar for being considered a good player these days is so much higher than it once was. And your poul Bill Simmons talks about this a lot. But like the guys who are now ninth men, you know, not that long ago would
be good starters, good like good. And if you look at some teams that we thought of as very good teams twenty years ago and look at who they had after their top four guys, it's a bunch of huh. And so that it's an argument for expansion. It's an argument for adding teams to the league because the talent
level right now is so high. Like you look at the Western Conference in the NBA right now, we have as we record this, the Lakers and the Warriors are the nine and the tend it's insane despite and keep in mind, so next year, so think about the Western Conference in the NBA next year, and then I want to circle back to Brownie for a moment. So Minnesota is not going to be worse. I don't know if they're gonna be the one seed, but it's not like all of a sudden, Minnesota's gonna go away. I'm just
gonna go down the standings. Denver is here to stay. Oklahoma City's only getting better. The Clippers maybe take a step back, but if they bring everyone back, why would they not maintained about where they are. Dallas seems to have figured out the Luca Kyrie thing.
They're even playing defense in Dallas.
They're playing defense. Luca's top three player in the league, hands down. They're fine. Phoenix yeah, okay, so Phoenix could go backwards because of the age of their guys, but it's not like they're going to be a disaster. New Orleans is a young team, Sacramento is a young team, the Lakers, the Warriors, and then you have Memphis with John coming back. The Wimby is coming for everybody, and
Houston was an exciting team. That's thirteen teams. It's fifteen teams in the conference, so there's just the teams are so talented and so loaded. I think that's about the draft. I want to defend the BROWNI thing for a minute if I could. So, what if this is Can everyone, even the biggest Lebron James critics, acknowledge the guys all time basketball IQ wise? Can we at least acknowledge that that the guy understands how the game is played and
understands the NBA as well as anybody ever has. Okay for folks arguing, oh my gosh, Lebron's putting his finger on the scale. He shouldn't. Why would he do it, He's hurting his son long run, he's undercutting it. I don't know that this is the math Lebron is doing, but it's just an idea. What if Lebron's thought process is on this current trajectory in today's college basketball climate, my kid is not going to get the development and improvement that he needs over the next three years to
one day be an NBA player. However, if I do put my finger on the scale and get a team to be at least somewhat invested in his development, then by the time I'm gone, he will be good enough to be a legitimate, stand on his own two feet NBA player. And so not that dissimilar from how Seth Curry went undrafted and then bounced around the G League
for two years, getting multiple chances. I happen to believe in part because of who his brother is, and then through that development, now he's a legitimate, really good NBA player. Would that have happened if he didn't get those opportunities that I think he probably got because of who his brother was.
No?
Do I think that is fair? I don't know define fair? Is it absolutely what I think I would do if I were in Lebron's place? Am I like? Of course, if I can help my kid achieve his dream and he might not be able to without my help, of course I'm going to and uh and and folks whining about it, like people in the NBA sell second round picks for two million bucks. These are not like the hottest come out of these, like oh my god, you're
gonna waste a second round pick. Teams throw them in willy nilly, teams sell them and so yeah, I mean, I listen, Bron, what's gonna hurt Brownie is he's six to two, and I I know Mannis and Shams and other people have said he's an NBA level defender. It's just hard to be a great defender in this league at that size. I'm not saying he can't be, but I don't. I don't think Lebron is doing is being unfair to anybody in this circumstance whatsoever.
I think my my example that makes me laugh the most is every time you're driving and you see a plumbing truck at oas says Johnson and sons.
Yeah, of course, I mean this is we can talk about it being problematic, but we've only had forty six, forty seven presidents in this country. One were father and son, but the other one we're uncle and nephew. Like even up to presidential the level of this country there's nepotism. The NFL and NBA front offices and coaching staffs are
rife with it. Those last names all being the same are not a goddamn coincidence, right, It is because people you know, the Kyle Shanahan, you know, being Mike Shanahan's son, and his part of history is Mike Lafloor with Matt Lafleur, and the I mean the the Brian Callahan. Bill Callahan's has two sons that are NFL coaches like, we're used to it everywhere and for some reason people are not
as comfortable with it in sports. But I we haven't because we haven't seen this, I guess because nobody's ever in the NBA played long enough for this to be a real possibility.
I get asked this a lot. My parents are young people. Can you give me advice? And I don't think advice is helpful because we all live very separate, different lives. Your career and your path is completely different than mine. Mine's completely different than Bob Costas. Yours is completely different than Bob Costas, Al Michaels and Iron Eagle. Is that this is not a doctor or an architect or a school teacher. There is no path to being a great comedian.
Be funnier, you'll find you're on stage and more successful. Sing better will ultimately help you with YouTube. And these platforms just be better, is the answer. So I talked to a young guy today and I said, I didn't have Twitter, I didn't have YouTube. That's better than a resume. Go show your talent. And I was I was saying this when when it's like weight loss, eat less, move more,
you'll lose weight. It's not scientific. Just google it. And I was saying, is one of the things I tell young people when I speak to them, is the only piece of advice I ever got, I'll give you an opinion. If you ask me for an opinion on something, I'll
give you one that's different. I don't give advice. And I said, the only time I've read a sentence and that I've shared it with people because it rings true to me is when I was a kid, I went to a Mariner's game upstairs in the booth and Dave Niehause, a pretty well known, established iconic Seattle figure, wrote in my magazine, might program the program. Yeah, if you want it bad enough, you'll sit here. And I thought, it's like it's like the Vegas Dealer. Yep, that's it. The
advice to all kids. Do you want to be me? Because I wanted it so bad I'd step on people.
To get it well, and and I was so I and I wanted it. I literally did want to be you. I've told you this story I called, and I've maybe told the story on the air before I was twenty four years old. Literally literally this is and I'm thirty nine, right, so I'm twenty four. So this is fifteen years ago. This is not nineteen eighty six, right, this is two thousand and nine. In two thousand and nine, I signed my first contract. Uh no, that's wrong. Twenty ten, I
signed my first contract. I was making eight dollars an hour. And then my contract was to do mid days in Kansas City. This is not a bullshit job. It's not the greatest job, right the Kansas are two sports city. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's a for sports radio. It's a good market. Signed a contract to do mid days in Kansas City for twenty three eight hundred dollars, full time, no benefits, but full time. This was I think like when that was allowed, and I was thrilled.
It was around the same time that I started dating my now wife, Like I was thrilled, like I am rolling making twenty four grand. And at that time I called an agent and said my pitch was this, I'm sure you wish Colin Cowherd was your client. He's not, and it doesn't appear he's ever going to be. If you would like to represent the next Colin Cowherd, you'll take me on. That's what I did, and this guy
started representing me shout out credit to him. Josh Santry started representing me when I was in Kansas City making twenty four grand, and you know what I mean, helped me grow and evolve. And then eventually your agent, Nick con hired and I like that. That is so like we grew together. Yeah, and the what I so? But the I got a little distracted there because that's such a to me, a cool story. But the answer is you have to be obsessed with it. And this is
what I tell my daughter, who's a theater major. I'm like, hey, any job, They're like, there's a few jobs that are the type the types of jobs that win. Little kids get asked in class what they want to be. If your job that you want is on that list, you better be goddamn obsessed with it as an adult or else you got no shot. No shot. If it is the type of job that people stop you on the stream,
you're like, oh my god, that's a dream job. The only reason that everyone doesn't do it is because people don't want to make twenty four grand at twenty five years, you know what I mean, And they and I don't want to act like every and listen, I've been very lucky. There is obviously some natural talent associated with success, whatever it is, but the number, I'm not denying any of that, but that, but what for a lot of people, it stops being worth it, And I don't like It's just
it's like, man, this is a grind. There's not with them. You work weekends, you work holidays, you don't make money, and it's just not worth it anymore. And so it has to be something you have to do is to have any chance of succeeding in it. And then once it's that, then it is you know, I don't I don't you You've always been very complimentary of my talent, but I don't actually think I am a talented broadcaster. I think I have a very specific talent, which is
I'm a great arguer. I'm great logically and I'm great with, you know, figuring out debating argument points. But I when I applied to Syracuse, uh, when I was doing the tour, I met with the dean and the dean said, great resume, great, you know, SAT's all this stuff. You're the exact type of kid we want to have here. Just so you know, you'll never be a radio personality of too nasally of a voice. It won't work at Syracuse. I got cut from the student radio station because I couldn't figure it out.
Like I it wasn't like some you know, I look at Noah Egle, and obviously Noah Egle, I get his dad's eyeon Eagle. But the kid is talented. Kid's got great voice, got a great presence. Like I'm like, oh, he's got real broadcasting talent. I was just wildly obsessed with it, wildly obsessed with it, and was like I am going to force my way through it, which is really how you get from I went from twenty four grand a year in Kansas City to the TV show
on FS one in seven years. From from when I signed that contract in Kansas City to when the TV show launched in New York City, that was seven years. And it was, yes, a ton of good fortune and good luck and good timing, but it was just I was wildly obsessed with it, which is the number one thing you've got to be.
Yeah, that's and that's the best advice is that when people, when parents come up and I you know anything that you don't want to give them cliches, work hard, read everything, you know, be detail oriented and then you kind of appease the parents, you know, placate the parents. But it really is Jake Laser's talked about this before. The people that are great in the NFL, they're crazy, they're.
Obsessed crazy, right, that's exactly right. And it's that's again because that's a dream job. That's a dream job, like they're there is no and that's you know, I worry. I do worry about my my eighteen year old daughter because what she wants to do is about the as hard of a field as there is. She wants to be an actress. And it's like, okay, even the successful ones like struggle for a long time and all of these things. But who am I to say, don't follow
your dreams? Follow your dreams. But it's like, there's if you are in the dream chasing business, you gotta chase it, like that's the that's the quote that I like. Listen. I will support dream chasing as long as you're fucking chasing. I won't support dream daydreaming like, oh I want to be this, I wonder how it's gonna happen. I gotta
see that you are that you want it. And the other thing if there's young people listening that I that I tell them that is different now than you know previous eras is you do what is I think good advice, because I do get this advice is just do it. You want to be a talk show host and you don't have a talk show, just pretend the way you pretended in your bedroom. Now anyone can pretend on YouTube
and make the channel private if you want. Like I was like, it's not about getting the number of subscribers or viewers. It's about the reps. It's about When I first started, I thought I was going to be the funny guy on the radio. And then I was like, Nope, that's not the lane. I need to be ardent, prick. That's the lane for me, and it'll work. And so like the only way to do it is to do it to actually get the reps in. And so yeah,
that's the advice I give. And then make sure you do a little check every six months, be like do I still love this? Do I still want to do this?
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