Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Brady In The Booth, Purdy Doesn’t Get Rattled, Nick Wright on the Taylor Swift Backlash, Mahomes a Top 2 All-Time QB? - podcast episode cover

Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Brady In The Booth, Purdy Doesn’t Get Rattled, Nick Wright on the Taylor Swift Backlash, Mahomes a Top 2 All-Time QB?

Feb 03, 202438 min
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Colin’s best takes of the week!

Colin gives his outlook on Tom Brady transitioning to the analyst’s booth and think’s his broadcasting style will be reflective of both his playing career and personality  (3:00). He also gives his reasons why the Lakers shouldn’t considering trading LeBron James (10:30).

John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” joins Colin to break down Brock Purdy’s performance’s in the NFC Championship and why he never seems to get rattled in big moments (18:30). They also dissect the Patrick Mahomes vs Lamar Jackson matchup and why there’s a massive gap between Mahomes and the likely NFL MVP (21:30).

Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1 stops by to discuss the backlash to the Taylor Swift/Travis Kelce relationship (27:30) and debate whether Patrick Mahomes is already a top 2 all-time quarterback (35:00)

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eligibility and deposit restrictions, terms and responsible gaming resources. All right, Well, it's sort of a lull before the storm the week prior to Super Bowl week, and so I tend not to break down the games or worry about that stuff until we get to Wednesday, Thursday, Friday of next week. This week we had Tom Brady on, and it's interesting. One of the questions I get asked a lot, how do you think Tom Brady will do it Fox as a broadcaster. And I've always had this kind of opinion

about people. Whatever job you do, you become your personality. So let's just take quarterbacks. So Tony Romo was a playmaking quarterback who was really fun to watch. He was a little loose, wasn't always a fish, but a big playmaker,

and I thought he was always underrated. He didn't have Troy Aikman's career, he doesn't have Brady's career, but Romo's personality if you'd met him, it's fun, it's loose, it's easy going, and I thought that's how he played, he only had a two to one touchdown to interception ratio. Tony made some mistakes and threw a lot of picks, but he was also a playmaker and was good off script.

And as a broadcaster at CBS, he came out flashy like he was as a player, with a bang, predicting plays a lot of attention, and I guess the criticism of him could be he's a little loose sometimes not quite buttoned up, don't always feel like he's completely prepared, fair or not. That's the criticism from critics, media people who monitor this stuff. But his personality became a style as a quarterback, and his style as a broadcaster. Brady is very much the opposite a three to one touchdown

to interception career, more efficient, more about preparation. Always feels completely botoned up, but not flashy at all. And I think that's his personality. I think that was his football career, and I think that's what he'll be like as a broadcaster. He won't be predicting plays early and get him a lot of attention for that that that won't be that.

That's not his personality, that's not his style. He will get better over the course of time, and he'll be highly conscientious, super prepared, and I think over the course of time you will appreciate him like New England did, like Michigan football did over the course of time. Tom doesn't blow you away with playmaking and flash, but it's attention to detail, his leadership, his kind of self awareness, understanding what he is, what he isn't and leaning into it.

And I think all broadcasters sort of their careers become their personalities, and I think that's what Brady will be as a broadcaster. I think, by and large, most people doing this do a good job. I was I don't talk much about broadcasters. People get very sensitive. I'm a broadcaster, so you know, I don't want to talk about it a lot. Last year I offered kind of a marginal criticism of Romo that he had a reputation, he loved his golf like sometimes I felt, and blowout games. He

was NOAs dialed in It's no big deal. That got a lot of pushback, and to validate my opinion, Sean McManus acknowledged publicly that he went out and went down and talked to told me Romeo about things he thought he was good at and things he needed to get better at so I never felt I was off base. But back to Brady, I think I kind of have

a sense of what Tom will be. He is a broadcaster because I watched his career and I know his personality from enough people around Tom a lot of detail, a lot of preparation, slow growth, slow build, and you'll look up in two or three years and think he's a heck of a broadcaster. Broadcasting, you know, I've always had great respect for the people that do broadcasting on site, the play by play people, the sideline people, and the analysts.

So what I do is a studio show, and I have to add lib for three hours, and I don't think it's easy. But these game broadcasts you have to deal with the environment and the crowd and directors and read commercials and throw to the studio, throw to the sidelines. I think it's very, very difficult. But play by play guys Turco and Kevin Burkhardt and you know all the great people at Fox, ESPN, NBC, Jim Nantz, they're terrific, Al Michaels, you do get into a rhythm of a

game and calling a game. Not that it's easy, it's much harder than what I do for a living.

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But I think one of the.

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Hardest things to do is football analyst work. I think it's damn hard. So basically, you have to talk in eight second intervals two hundred and fifty times a game, and if you make one mistake, it is all viral. You're trending one mistake out of two fifty. That's why I think the criticism of analysts is mostly embarrassing, ridiculous. I do think Romo can be a little loose sometimes, but it's it's not to me that noteworthy. I don't turn the game off. I think Nance and Romo are entertaining,

They're fine. I think Tariko Zola's got great energy. Burke Hart Olsen I think have been just magical together in a short time. You know, Michael's is good with everybody. So I just I think sometimes when I read the media critics, I don't care if to take shots at me, I really don't see all of it.

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Don't care.

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But I think to be a football analyst you have to be patient with these broadcasters, these players. This is not what they do. It's very, very difficult. I don't know how the college guys do it. Like in the NFL, you've got a limited roster to be a college football analyst, and you've got eighty five scholarship players walk ons, and you get into a blowout game and the third quarter and you have to have an opinion on a player that you've maybe probably never seen play. I mean, you're

looking on your sheet. Well, you need to be prepared. Nobody's that prepared. You haven't memorized the life story in the career of every backup for Toledo football. So I'm gonna be patient with Brady. I thought people got a little too hot hyperbolic on Romo early calling plays. I thought it was fun, but that can't define you. I mean, what are you gonna do? Hit fifty percent? You know that's tough. I do think Tony brings in a pretty good energy. He's fun, and I think that was his career.

I loved watching Romo play. I defended Romo as a player for years. I thought he was terrific. He was just sometimes loose, you know, Tony throw an interception at the wrong time, but he is one of the most underappreciated Dallas Cowboy players of all time. Career didn't last very long, but at its height, it was wildly dynamic. Go look at his numbers, google his stats. He had some big years, a lot of big years, and he

could move. That's why when I said I thought Joe Burrow was like going to be a better version of Tony Romo. I always thought Tony Romo was an eight to A and minus quarterback. He didn't play very long, but I thought in Tony's best years he was like a you know, Farv was a plus, Aikman was a a plus. Brady obviously Manning, but I thought Tony was lower end ARB plus plus plus plus, And I think as a broadcaster he can be fine. But his playing and his broadcasting feel the same to me, and that's

what I think you'll get with Brady. So there's been a lot of talk recently. The NBA trading deadline is coming up, and people have discussed what about the Lakers moving off Lebron James and I don't think this is going to happen, And there's a lot of reasons here.

So Lebron's good for business. The Lakers haven't. They won the bubble year, but you know, they've been a really inconsistent and at times dysfunctional team over the last four to five years, and for the last you know, I mean the last five years before Lebron became a Laker, they were a mess. They were like record wise worst or second worst in the league over half a decade. So they had the bubble year, but they've mostly been

a really inconsistent franchise. And Lebron sells out games and he's one of the great Lakers of all time, even though the Laker fans got him post prime, right. But I think you have to consider if you trade Lebron James, and he doesn't want to be traded because he has such a dynamic business portfolio in Los Angeles, you're going to piss off Lebron, and that means you're going to piss off Clutch Sports. And Clutch Sports got a d

to LA. And in the NBA, there's a handful of very influential agents that you don't want to be on the wrong side of. It doesn't work that way in football, but it does in basketball. It can be very provincial. I mean, I can remember years and years ago, you know, Michael Jordan's agent was highly powerful, very connected to David Stern, and that was the reality. Michael was just really really important for the league. So I don't think there'll be

a trade because I don't think. I think Lebron committed to you as a franchise and has sold so much merchandise and so many tickets, and he won you a championship that I do feel the Bust family and they historically have been very loyal to people that have rewarded them. I think Lebron's really kept you afloat for the last five years. He's kept you viable. He's made you tens and hundreds of millions of dollars and added to your value, and I just don't think you'd trade a player like that.

That doesn't mean I'm gonna rebuild my roster solely based on what Lebron wants. But the Lakers are a small ownership group. The Bus family is not nearly as financially secure or dynamic as the Clippers owner Steve Walmer. He's the richest owner in the NBA by far. So I just think when Lebron came here, he to a large degree, kind of saved the franchise. You know, they weren't good in Kobe's last years. They weren't competitive. The Warriors were

running the league. They were an afterthought. They had run through coaches, and I think Lebron did them a solid by coming here.

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Now.

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Los Angeles has also helped his business career. His net worth is robust, probably over a billion dollars now. But it's it's been a relationship where Lebron has helped the Lakers, the Lakers have helped Lebron. And it's not that the Lakers couldn't get other players if they traded Lebron. I never buy into that nonsense. The bottom line is players take care of themselves. But I think just on a personal level, Lebron doesn't call out coaches publicly. Lebron is

good for business. Lebron does interviews after every game. Lebron's been an upstanding citizen in the community. I don't think you treat him that way. And you know me, I'm not super loyal guy. When it comes to sports history, like move a guy, and you could say, well, Colin, you'd trade Clay Thompson. One of the talks has been trading Lebron to the Warriors and getting some pieces back.

Klay Thompson is different. He didn't save the Warriors. Steph Curry's been the face dram on The Two, Clay the Three, and he's been a great part of that franchise. But Klay Thompson's not selling to tickets. Steph is and Klay Thompson also as at a point in his career that you'd only be able to overpay him to keep him. And he's not as good a player as Lebron is. Lebron is still on any given night, the best player on

the floor in an NBA game. He's not as good as Jokic over the course of a season, or Yannis or MBD, But on any given night, Lebron's the best player on the floor in the biggest games of the year. So I just I just think there are certain times Lebron's been good for the Lakers. The Lakers have been good and Los Angeles for Lebron, I don't think you

trade him. I think you sit down with him and say, hey, this thing's getting to a close, let's make it as elegant as we can, as thoughtful, conscientious as we can, and then you go from there. But I just Lebron's been very valuable to the Lakers. He's on a lot of nights he's the only reason you go on most nights. He's the only reason you go. He's made a lot of people in that organization a lot of money, and there's value in that, right they're there. Yeah, I wouldn't

trade Lebron. John Middlecow, former NFL scout, got a podcast at the volume three and out knows the Niners back and forth, all right, thirty four to thirty one, Niners second Super Bowl in five seasons overcame a seventeen point lead. So the one thing I'll say is for a seventh round, last pick, and for an undersized guy. Uh perty has been in so many games high school, college and now pro. He's just had so many snaps that he's just kind of situationally, he's I see no higher loath of him.

I mean, if he goes to the podium, Johnny's unemotional. I've never seen him smile. He smiles less than Kawhi Leonard. Like there's he's just like he's just kind of static. That's not a terrible quality. He's not very emotional.

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Very mature guy. I mean he's engaged at twenty three, twenty four years old. I mean, I would say that's not typical for NFL quarterbacks in twenty twenty four in the modern day culture. One thing, you know, speaking of the two quarterbacks in the second game, if you just put him in a pocket untouched, GoF throws a better ball. He can see much easier five. But the game, as games get uglier and as you can generate some pressure and things just it's football. Things don't go as planned.

You need to be able to make some plays with your legs. Jared Goff just cannot. Kirk Cousins cannot. And that is one element that Kyle, who likes Kyle, would like Jared Goff. But there is an element of having just an athletic quarterback. You don't need to be Lamar Jackson. You just need to be able to move.

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That's why they drafted Trey Lambs. They so Brock gives them that element. And it's funny when they got Trey Lance, what I had heard in the building was he's not as athletic as we thought.

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He's slow. And that's you know, there are always a thing in scouting about time, speed or athletic ability. If you went to watch a guy play basketball or guy at the combine, you know, the combines in a month or whatever, all these guys run fast forty times, and then there are guys like Saint Brown, who I don't know what his forty time is, but he plays really fast. Debo runs a four or five five, Well, put the

ball in his hand, no one catches them, right. So I don't know what brock Purty runs, but I know when he scrambles or when he moves behind the pocket. He moves fast enough to get away from some guys. Now he can't run away from everybody, but his play speed is really good. And this gets back to instincts and to me, instinctive football players. The Lions have a lot of them, you know, I mean they really do.

They have a fast team. So to the forty nine ers, Fred Warner plays really fast and Drake Greenlaw play really fast because they're instinctive players. I mean, they're good athletes. But when you can read and you know what's coming, I mean, these players in the NFL have been talking about this in the history since I've been alive, about

knowing what's coming, preparing it helps you play faster. And then there's the upper level of like the truly great instinctive players, and obviously the forty nine ers are full of them, right, I mean they just are from Kittle to Deebo to I think their coach, you know, when he gets in a rhythm, Kyle's weird, right, Ben Johnson has just been red hot all season long. Kyle can have game for you feel like got it? What's he doing?

And then today it just kind of flipped and then he got his mojo and the rest was history.

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The Niners Lions looked exactly like I thought. I said on Friday. I said, Detroit will probably take the lead. They're a great first half team. Ben Johnson, I said, perty you'll play from behind, It'll be good. It'll be close. If thebo plays, I said, he'll make two or three big plays and they'll I think I predicted the score would be thirty four to twenty eight or thirty four to twenty seven. So that game, now, I didn't expect the meltdown in the huge lead, but the final result

was San Francisco just made more big plays. Their physicality took over. Detroit was not quite ready in the moment. That's what I thought I would see it. Just how we got there was different. Yeah, I do not remember ever a playoff game with what I perceived to be a great team being more wrong that game. First of all, my entire belief on the game was, Oh, they're going to pound the rock, make Mahomes sit on the sideline. And it was Kansas City that had a nine minute drive.

I know, the game looked the opposite of what I look like.

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At the possession. I remember they put it on the screen one time. You're like, this is insane.

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It's insane, and they abandoned the run. Like I thought it was going to be, Baltimore lead, Kansas City can't quite keep it. In the end, Baltimore couldn't score. They abandoned they they didn't abandon the run. They never ran, they never attempted to run. So that game, that game, Okay, So let's talk about this.

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How do you match the experience with the coaches on Kansas City When you think about Andy's now been in the league for thirty plus years and all the Yea Spagnola can it can lean back on the games against Belichick and his experience. I mean, it's so.

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I've been a big defender of Lamar. I love how much he cares. Every year he gets bigger, he gets better, and we cannot deny. He's a better pocket quarterback today than they used to be, no question, jastic player, but I did think today it is now fair to say not quite the same in the playoffs. I defended him a forever. I used to say Peyton Manning wasn't the same in the playoffs. It's hard to win in the playoffs today, and I'm not blaming him. He had no

run support. I hated the game plan, but he melted a little late, and I think it's fair to say he had a couple of bad throws. I do think it's fair to say that he is he tends to be run centric. He can melt a little. He's not as good from behind.

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Most aren't.

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But when you watched him in Mahomes, I'm like, some of the criticism is just now. I defended it, but it's just.

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Well, from a specific football standpoint, he got fidgety today, he got rushed. He looked like the younger Lamar where in the playoffs when it wasn't going Baltimore's way, he would one read and then kind of scramble around and kind of scramble within the pocket, and it just throws everything off instead of all season long, now granted they were beating the crap out of most teams, right, he

was very under control. It's like, well, if this is the version of the player, I'm all in because he's calm, you know, kind of moving around. Today he got very fidget He got very felt very uneasy about two seconds into the place. And part of that I think gets back to the immense amount of pressure in a spot like that against that opponent and you start going we're down,

you just naturally kind of freak out. Now, maybe we look back in a couple of years and he wins a game like this and he says going through that experience helped me out. But today he resorted back to the guy. Like I said this last week, everyone's shitting on Josh Allen. Was he perfect?

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No?

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But I never watched for a moment thought I wouldn't want that guy on my team. If you put that guy on a team that stacked, you're winning with that guy. It was not his fault. He did not look overwhelmed. I'm not saying Lamar looked overwhelmed, but I need you to be in complete control the moment you get fidgety. It's the Peyton Manning thing in the playoffs. You're playing the best of the best. He used to lose the Patriots. You're playing the Andy and Mahomes here. They're not going

to screw up. And this defense is solid. Like just live to fight some other you know, get a seven yard game right, complete some balls. The balls were flying on him, the rains start coming. But to me, he was very, very uneasy in the pocket. And that, to me, you kind of knew it right away, like you could feel it. And it happened against the Houston Texans, and then he came out a different guy. Why they started running the ball calmed everything down. He never calmed down.

Their offense never calmed down.

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Well, they didn't do Monkin, didn't do him any favors. The way to settle a quarterback down is get him a run game for sure. By the way, second half, Niners Christian McCaffrey peeled off a couple of big runs. Everybody comes down, the temperature in the room comes down. It'll swing past the deboat, Debo breaks tackles, the sideline, played a kittle. It just brings the temperature down. It gets the crowd into it. So San Francisco, after a rocky first half, by party. What are we gonna do.

Let's get him some yards. Let's not put the pressure on him. They never did that with Baltimore. They just kept dropping him back by the way and Spags is bringing extra people. Baltimore can't block him. So at no point did Baltimore say listen because they saw what you saw, got it. Lamar's frenetic here, let's get him help. Nope, they just dropped him again with six rushing and five blocking.

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If I told you this morning that before the game kicked off, the Chiefs are only gonna have seventeen points, you would probably assume they're gonna lose, right Like, I didn't envision a spot where they could win seventeen to sixteen, or seventeen to thirteen or seventeen to ten. But what happened today. Awful pick in the end zone in a triple coverage, Karlovskis gets a big strip sack against him. Obviously, the Chiefs came through with turnovers. You can't afford to

have the forty nine ers overcame the pick party. It was early. Would they would not have been over able to overcome a pick in the second half and let alone countless turnovers, say Flowers, Lamar Jackson, the fumble, strip sack. I mean that's you're not overcoming that against you know, the New Dynasty. It's not possible. But it starts with him. I mean the whole building. I would imagine every guy and female that bought a ticket felt it early like

we're in trouble. This quarterback looks a little off kilter, and let's face it, he was all right.

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Nick Right.

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We do this on Tuesdays, it comes out on Wednesdays. We talk about a lot of stuff we don't normally talk about.

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You know, it's.

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Interesting we'll kind of pivot to this, the Taylor Swift thing, where apparently mag is upset and people are upset with that. I did a rant today that made, you know, got a lot of play on I guess I don't see it. TikTok and some.

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Stuff like that. Is that.

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It's so here's what's weird to me. I think about this a lot. How would my wife and my daughter and my stepdaughters judge me if I was bothered by thirty seconds of Taylor Swift in a broadcast that lasts three and a half hours. Here's what I always wonder about men, they can't have strong women in their life, the fact that a man.

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If I went on the air.

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And I was outraged by Taylor Swift and I had like, I have a really bright daughter and bright stepdaughters and a smart, savvy, outspoken wife. I have a sister who doesn't really follow me, but she'll get stuff on Instagram or TikTok.

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That's my sister too, not if that all interested in what I do, but sometimes get sent to her.

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Yep, what was the non sports stuff? But I always think about this. If you're a man and you have women in your life that you either love or respect, don't you have the self awareness to know what an f an, idiot and insecure d bag you look like being bothered by twenty four seconds of Taylor Swift shots from a box in a three and a half hour broadcast.

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All right, listen, Taylor Swift was shown almost to the second the same amount of time in the Chiefs Ravens game as Crabcakes were. So anyone pretending like, oh it was too much. They are projecting their own issues on it, and it is it is partially yes, everything like that I am. It is hard to shock me these days at the things people will get mad about. But this is shocking. Yeah, this is this. If there was ever a feel good story, it's Hey, this guy who try aside.

I guess people don't like Travis because he did the commercials for Pfizer, Like this is it.

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I mean Nick Shaquille O'Neil, and I know his agent well has taken He's done six hundred ads for a I mean he's if you ask, the answer is yes.

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The answer is yes, he's doing it for the general who's doing.

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He's answer, they don't get commercials. He's at the end of his career and people are going, hey, will you do it for a million and a half? The answer is yes.

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And also, by the way, even if so, here's why. All right, I'm gonna be very honest here for a minute. I find a lot of some of the people angry about the vaccine stuff to be very intellectually dishonest. Because if the stance is, like you have said, don't do mandates, my body, my choice, whatever it is, so be it. But that must then also mean if Travis Kelcey's like, man, I love the fucking vaccine. I think you can save

people's lives, right, he stream from the mountaintops. Good for end, like, do whatever you want, but they hate him because of it. They hate Travis Kelcey and Aaron didn't help this situation going to mister Pize or whatever Taylor like. Shockingly, the vast majorities, a majority of pops, young pop stars throughout all of American history tend selene liberal. Now, maybe she won't in her sixties, but there's not a bunch of super popular twenty something year old musicians in American history

who's like, man, I'm a hardcore conservative. That is not what you know, what I mean what the artistic fields typically are. So these two people coming together and they just hate them. They just hate them, and they I think they hate them because they're young, they're happy, they're good looking, they're successful, and they are jealous. Guess what, everybody's probably a little jealous of Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swift. It's like, well, you got a billion five between you.

He's the best ever at this. You might be the best ever at that. You do whatever you want, but there's a level of happy for you seems awesome. There used to be something of almost aspirational happiness on behalf of others. I feel like when people saw Brady and Giselle, there was an element of God, damn man, that's why you practice so hard in high school, like you might literally end up marrying a supermodel. Like that's and I know that's kind of you know, get what you're saying,

guy stuff, but that is part of it. Is like you you know, the the prom queen and the jock athlete and all that stuff. And I I can't conceptualize the people who hate these people. They get angry at it, and they're angry because Taylor Swift is shown. Jason Kelsey was shown more in one playoff game than Taylor's been shown in all of them. And I'm talking about a playoff game he played in. But go ahead.

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The people bothered by Travis Kelcey, Gisell, Tom, Taylor Swift, those aren't successful people. They resent success people that want to be on this journey and they just love it. Doesn't matter what you do. You don't have to be rich, but you love the journey, you love other people, you're happy. They're not the ones outraged by this.

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So I agree with you to a degree. I think you're right that the people who didn't like Tom and Giselle and now don't like Taylor and Travis. Those people resent success. My fear is that there are a different group of people, maybe with some crossover, who were not bothered at all previously by uh Tom and Giselle, but now have gotten so political tribalist. Yes that if I know affirmatively you are on the other political teams, Yes,

I hate you. I just I actively hate you, and that and that is It's like, man, I get it. I don't get the hate, but I understand if if you feel someone is constantly preaching their politics even if you agree with them, you can be like, man, it's a bummer, you know what I mean. I'm not here for it, all of it. But I don't look at Travis doing the commercials as preaching politics at all. I Tailor wants every election cycle. I think sends out a link about like registering to vote, and I think she

endorsed Obama. I think like eight years ago. That's it. If that level of like, I A give you an example. I if I had the opportunity to sit down with Bill Belichick, I would I'd pay money for it if I could sit down and like pick his brain, talk to him whatever it is. He doesn't preach his politics I have for you know, he's at the very least buddies with Trump. I'm pretty sure like that. I think that's really aligned politically. Yeah, I know conservative, and I

think he's a Trump guy. Knowing that doesn't make me be like man, I hope he never could shool his record. I hope he's unemployed forever. Like it's like, okay, we wouldn't talk about those things, and it is. There is just a level of anger. Can I ask you before we end real quick, just because you said lists and it got my brain going. Right now this moment is and I have to ask you mahomes question before we end. Is Mahomes, in your opinion, a top two all time quarterback?

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Yes? So that's that's that's that's interesting. You just found our final topic. So I have no problem separating raw talent from productivity. I don't think Bill Russell's nearly as good as Kareem was or as dominating as Shack, but he was more productive. I can separate those two. I think most fans can. You certainly can. Where Mahomes, I think Marino is significantly is one of the most gifted throwers, if not the most gifted thrower. I watched his prime.

He was a machine, big, strong, fast, quick. He was like Aaron Rodgers with more size, more of a power, I mean he had.

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It was just he was.

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He was better than Elway at just throwing a ball in Lway was great. Marino, I'd never seen anything like Elway. I think if Aaron Rodgers was just was bigger and more natural. And no, JC was the best high schooler, the best college guy. He just had those rumors that hurt him in the draft. But he wasn't productive like a Brady or a Manning. So what you're seeing with Mahomes now is the most naturally gifted player, including Marino. He's the most naturally gifted.

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Yep.

Speaker 1

And now the production is.

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As it's insane. And I pushed back early when Tom beat him a couple of times, and I'm like, it's slow down, Okay. Now he's stacking chips, like stacking everything. You have to win a couple World Series of pokers, you know you could be the bigger brain. Let's say you're an academic and you you're beating the late Doyle Brunson, and who's a smart guy. But You're like, the dude, is this Elon Musky, smart guy? But you can never

win the World Series of Poker. You win six out of seven, okay, then you're the greatest.

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So that's so listen, Mahomes, it's just on the accomplishment's route. I look at it like a marathon. And if you ever look at the Olympics, if you're watching someone run the sixteen hundred meters after one lap, they tell you are they on world record pace?

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Right? Yeah?

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Knowing and be like hadn't done it yet. It's like, well, the race ain't over All we can do is judge the pace. So Brady, we did this on the show today. Twenty two seasons as a start, because you take out both of their rookie years because luckily both of them didn't play the rookie years. Twenty two seasons as a starter. Seven super Bowls, which is bananas. That's thirty thirty two percent.

Ten super Bowl appearances that's forty five percent. Fourteen conference championship games that's sixty four percent, Mahomes as of this moment, two super Bowls in six years, that's thirty three percent. Just out of Brady four super Bowl appearances in six years, that's sixty seven percent, way ahead of Brady, and six for six on conference championship games that's one hundred percent.

That's way ahead. If he wins in two weeks. Now, he's fifty percent of his years as a starter, he's won the Super Bowl, sixty seven percent he's been there, and the other two years he lost in overtime the round before. So the production, he is on pace to shatter everybody's the numbers, he's on pace to shatter everybodys. So this is where I So you said I like lists, So this is my quarterback lists, and it is kind of a rich tapestry of raw talent accomplishments. I test

all of it. Brady is one for now, Mahomes is two, Hayton Manning is three, Joe Montana four, Elway Marino is really hard five six six ' five because Elway went to five Super Bowls, has more MVPs, has more rings, and I kind of feel like, but Marino was better, Like I know that sounds shitty, but and then rounding it out of guys like what I would call modern era, so like post Bradshaw, Stabuch post that is Rogers, Brett and the who I think is the most underrated of

all time. And Steve Young, yes, was the closest thing to Mahomes before Mahomes as far as creativity, athleticism. Crazy. So like I think if Mahomes, like I'm ready to say Mahomes was is better than Peyton Mannick, like I have him ahead, and Peyton won five MVPs and I

think he can run down Tom. I don't, And I don't think Tom did something interesting because Tom was on with you you know, he did a couple of interviews today and in one of them he was asked about Mahomes and Tom said, you know, was talking about how great he is and all these things, and then he was like, listen, man, because he was asked about someone else being the goat, and he said at the end

it was so it was so slick. He was like, listen, if anyone can get to seven super Bowls, like I want to shake their hand, because I like he's he fade it very clear. Oh yeah, someone else can be the goat. They better get seven fucking rings though, because I don't want to hear nothing about someone because he knows seven's gonna be hard. But so he's like that's the standard. Just to be clear, get to seven and we can talk. But I don't think you have to

get to seven. Like the point I always make forget Russell. Michael Jordan retired the first time, retired in nineteen ninety three, had three rings. Magic was still playing at that time, had five. Kareem had just retired, had six. You know what they put on Michael's statue, the greatest there ever was, the greatest ever will be. They weren't counting rings. Then they were like, no, we saw him. He's better than everybody.

He's the best. Nobody ever started, by the way, counting rings until Michael got the most, and then people were like, oh, we got to count the rings and he's still I mean the most kind of the most. And so I Brady Brady does have. It's not like Brady doesn't have eye test stuff. Brady is as great of a leader, clutch all of it.

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By the way, throws as good a bad weather ball as I've ever seen.

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Super important, super important, and the ass all the great organizations are norm right, yeah, exactly right, and so all that matters. So I'm not trying to discount Tom at all. But Patrick's got a path here if they can win. They they traded away Tyreek Hill and said, we're taking the long view of it. Yes, it was a defense. We have the second this year, the chiefs of the second youngest evens of football. If the first two years

without Tyreek Hill they peel both rings. Yeah, then all of a sudden, you're back ahead of the pace and people throw the two and zero at me all the time he was two and oho listen to the super Bowls and the Super Bowl Tampa kicked Mahomes' ass. Everybody go rewatch the twenty eighteen AFC title game. That's one of the two wins, and tell me who played better that game, Like, don't you can't hold that one against Patrick.

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