Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Andy Reid > Bill Belichick? Goodell’s Brilliant Management Of The NFL, Mahomes Is The “MJ of the NFL”, Clippers A Title Contender - podcast episode cover

Colin Cowherd Podcast Prime Cuts - Andy Reid > Bill Belichick? Goodell’s Brilliant Management Of The NFL, Mahomes Is The “MJ of the NFL”, Clippers A Title Contender

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Colin’s top takes of the week!

He’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to debate whether Andy Reid’s legacy has surpassed that of Bill Belichick (3:00) and discuss why Roger Goodell’s leadership has allowed the NFL to become the juggernaut that it is today (13:00)

Colin is also joined by Ryen Russillo, host of “The Ryen Russillo Podcast” at the Ringer to talk about why Patrick Mahomes has become the Michael Jordan of the NFL (27:15) and debate whether the star-studded LA Clippers could win a championship this season (34:30). 

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hits the under by half a point. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout three and out, who knows the Niners very very well. You know, I had said this about Andy Reid. If I look at Bill Belichick's career, it is overwhelmingly tied to one player. I mean, they were bad in New England before Brady, they were bad after him, weren't very good in Cleveland. I you know, I'll say this, we don't consider Bill Russell with eleven rings better than Jordan was six. I think Mahomes is the best quarterback

I've ever seen. I think Andy Reads the best coach I've ever seen. He's not tied. Donovan McNabb was a B minus quarterback. He us al was inaccurate. He was an athlete, not ideal size. You know, he's always a short hop stuff. He was kind of like he was a good quarterback.

Speaker 3

He was out of shape in the Super Bowl, Colin, I mean, he's just throwing up in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2

I mean I just feel like Andy, who always gave Belichick problems even with second tier quarterbacks. I think Andy's a better coach than Belichick. First of all. When that when you go to overtime, we're all just I mean, Romo and Nance are like, oh, this is Andy Reid, this is this is this is almost unfair. I mean, Andy hide stuff so much in New England's success was

tied to an offensive line coach. I mean, if you go look when Scott Poldie leaves in the last eight or nine drafts, when Bill controlled him, he didn't draft well, he's toned. He's allergic to offense. Once he lost offensive people, Bill really regress badly. I think you look at Andy Reid's coaching tree, his ability to adapt win with multiple quarterbacks, multiple coordinators. I think Andy's the best football coach since Bill Walsh. That's my take. You know, again, Bill Russell

had some advantages. You know, it was read our bocket were fewer teams and Bill. I'm not in no way saying Bill I mean, listen, he helps find Dante's Karneki. He you know, helped he drafted Brady I think, but I think Andy Reid. I mean, we think Shanahan is elite. We both do top three or four coach in the year. That game comes down to that last drive. I mean you have to acknowledge that. And he's doing stuff. They're

hiding stuff they haven't used. I don't know when I watched When I watch Andy Reid's teams in big games, I mean, he's the best coach off a bye of all time. He's now very close to being the best big game coach ever. They win more close games, more games they've trailed in the half. I'm not in any way discounting Mahomes's ability, but shit, that last drive in overtime, it is so clever. I mean, how many third and twos and fourth and twos did they run a play?

And you're like, oh, they haven't seen that one this year. I don't know where do we classify Andy Reid?

Speaker 3

Yeah, I mean I think he's definitely you know, Walsh is going to go down as probably the most famous coach of all time, right there with Lombardi. Right when you close your eyes. You say the NFL, you'd go Walsh Lombardi, and you said Belichick two. You know, Walsh won three Super Bowls. People forget Sea for one to two, right,

So Andy now has three. One thing that's not debatable with him and Bill because I do think Bill has taken some unfair criticism, Like we watched him make incredible moves in the biggest games, from double passes to not calling the time out against Pete Carroll to embarrassing Sean McVay, who granted was like thirty four at the time, but still they scored three points in the Super Bowl when

their teams are not Super Bowl contenders, right. And Andy's proven it with he was making the playoffs with Jeff Garcia, he had Alex Smith competing to win that division when Peyton Manning was in it. You remove Tom Brady, the team is horrendous, awful. And I would say if you just factor in the errors eras and you've talked about this Belichick and and Era, where defense is physical is cream of the cromp Right. He was developing defensive game

plans for Parcels to take out Walsh in Montana. Early on in Brady, he had those physical teams taking out Marshall Fulk in the Super Bowl, some of the great game plans. But that league no longer exists. The league we're in now is Kyle Shannan, Sean McVay, Andy Reid offensive league, innovative. How to get first downs is just, if not more important than defense. And Andy's the best. It's not even close. And I think anyone that knows him, and I knew him before he had a Super Bowl,

He's just an incredible human being. You know, That's one thing. People defend Belichick that have been around him because they had a lot of success around him. People defend Andy that have been around him before he won it because they liked him because what he the way he treated people, the way he acted in the office, the way he was to coaches. Look at his coaching tree, Like if

you factor that in. One thing Bill Walsh got a lot of credit for right was one super Bowls always pivot off players and found guys like I don't know, Mike Holmgren, George Seffert who then let it. They had this you know, kind of opening with what came with coaches that became ran the league. Bill Bill was the opposite right. Look at Andy's coaching tree. It's freaking incredible, and will those guys swear by him?

Speaker 2

Matt Naggi is considered a miss in a time when Stafford Rogers and Kirk Cousins were in their prime. He got Mits Trubisky to the playoffs twice.

Speaker 3

Is one of the I think mister Whisky was like the worst contract in the league. He made eight million dollars and he's not even He's barely a third string quarterback. Matt Naggi's gonna be head coach in the NFL again. Promise he will be. You know who likes him the most on the staff beside Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes like, I'm sorry, I'm giving that guy some credit of understanding what what can coach?

Speaker 2

Or not?

Speaker 3

Nobody Bill waltsh would have struggled with mister Bisky. How many games with Belichick? Of won with mister Bisky? The guy? The guy can't hit water if he's sitting on a boat in the middle of the ocean. So I listen, I think Andy Reid. The scary part is Colin He's just not done. Like all this retirement talk. Andy's he's not.

Speaker 2

A fisher and also to your point, they'll move off Chris Jones. They've got They've done a good job drafting carl Offtis and some other players. They got some pass rush, so they'll move off Chris. They'll probably try to get Kelsey to sign another deal. But I mean they're not I mean, they're the smart teams in this league. I think are they'll pay. They'll pay a front five guy Aaron Donald Rams, they'll pay him, Chris Jones. But the smart teams in this league. That's what drives me crazy

about Pittsburgh. He can't be spending your money on defense outside of a TJ. Watt. He's got to go draft safeties and corners. And most of these guys, if you look at them Kansas City, they're not drafting a corner. Occasionally, if it's a big need, they'll go early, but a lot of them are fourth, fifth and sixth round draft picks. Same with running backs. So I just think, I look at Andy and I think to myself that New England started to show signs of regression. Even after the Atlanta

Super Bowl. It was very obvious they could not draft a receiver or a tight end. After Gronk, you started seeing that at the end. Remember Brady on the bench screaming, get open. I don't know where Kansas City's organization has a whole draft, develop communication, quarterback, defense bags. I always felt you could really see the more power Bill got, the worse the drafting. God, it wasn't even an argument. I mean, like Beach's hit like he's like Brad Holmes

in Detroit. You go to last three years, like six.

Speaker 3

Hits in the light rounds two. It's not even just the first rounds. He's get bit. Jaco's a seventh rounder. Watson the dB I think it was a seventh rounder. So they're getting players all over the draft.

Speaker 2

Yeah, they don't really have I mean they really don't. They've got the they've got the ability to move off really popular talented guys, which you know a lot of organizations don't. They can't. They just can't move off them, I think. I mean, if I I'm trying to think my next year's Super Bowl bubble, I thought this would. Honestly, I thought this was the year to get Kansas City.

Speaker 3

Yeah, the last year was too and they've won two. I mean I was thinking I've been watching I'm almost forty years old, so I remember watching sports for thirty years, right, The Cowboys in the mid nineties had a great run. The Yankees, obviously, the Bulls, the Patriots had a couple of iterations. This five year stretched by the Chiefs three Super Bowls, been to another and lost. It been to six straight AFC Championship games. It's as good of a run, yeah,

some of the Warriors. And the difference of the Warriors, I mean, they got Kevin Durant, so of course they weren't going to loose some of those Yankee teams, they had unlimited money. They were buying players. The way they've done it, this is a lot very similar to the Patriots. They made some tough decisions. It was coaching development, led by star quarterback, led by intelligence, led by character. The other thing a with my guy on the Chiefs. And this is where I think the two teams have a

lot in common, the character on these teams. How hard these guys work, how into football they are, how much they care about football, how serious they take this like this is not some score round. Half the teams in the league, I mean, some of their best players are not dependable guys on a seven day a week basis that is not the case with the Kansas Chiefs. It's

not the case of the forty nine ers. It's why these teams are kind of consistently winning, right And obviously the Chiefs have that added element with Mahomes, which is kind of their trump card right now. But the football character that was on display in this game was something I would imagine every GM when they go in a couple weeks, the combine is going to go. You start interviewing these guys because it is easy. It's like, well, look at how many plays this guy can make. He's

got about seven red flags? Is offensive coordinator college wasn't a big fan, and they don't overlook that stuff or they make sure that like that's a non negotiable because you get in the fourth quarter in overtime, is your twenty first game of the season. If you're not locked in, if you're not into it, if you haven't been training all year long, you have no shot. You have no shot.

And that's the one thing Andy, you know, who's always been he had a little Ale Davis to him at moments in his career that they are not screwing around in Kansas City with guys that just are like that.

Speaker 2

You know, It's one of the things about the NFL that I think you and I appreciate this is that I think it's a really well run league, and I think it's easy. A lot of people in the media, a lot of newspaper people tend to be precious and there.

Speaker 3

Was getting crushed last week. He's getting destroyed.

Speaker 2

What are we talking about? People just don't understand everything is up. They handled, you know, the Kaepernick situation. Not easy for the Black Lives Matter, those are those are big social movements. Those are not easy to navigate. And I think about seventy percent of players NFL players African American. He's navigated that. Players like him, Corporations like him. They're you know, I know having talked to people at networks, they're tough, but.

Speaker 3

Rightfully so you got a product you want.

Speaker 2

But if you start looking at how smart they've been with moving, extending the draft, moving free agency, putting stuff on Christmas. You know, I saw the NBA trade deadline was during a Super Bowl week, Well, what are you doing? What the what the f are you doing? Baseball gives it to wards like two months after the season. They don't give him on the same day there's no buzz, Like it's all of a sudden, out of the blue.

You're like, that guy won the American League MVP. Like four days later, that guy won't come back Player of the Year. It's like, the hell are you doing here? The NFL has done a remarkable job to own the calendar. I mean, if I was baseball, there's an opening. Sean McVay didn't play starters. It worked. Now nobody plays starters. The preseason's dead. NFL's cut a game, they may cut another game. It's just dead. Baseball. August is wide open. They'll never move on it. It's wide open. Guys like

you and me, we take August off. It's like an off month. If you shorten baseball by one hundred and twenty games and you start playoffs like August eighth, you own the month. That's what football would do. That's what he watched the NBA get this big marketing day when everybody's home on Christmas and Goodell's like, no, we're moving games. So when I look at the NFL, there's a lot

of reasons. It's popular scarcity gambling, but it's really it's made everything else niche, and they don't They navigate politics. They're good to their players, but don't pander and coddle. They've got mobility but also loyalty, and I think they manipulate the calendar. And when I see these people get on. Roger Goodell, I've had drinks with him once in dinner. He's really a good listener. He's just ohays, what do you think? I remember I had him on the show

like several years ago. It was before the Super Bowl with New England and Philly, and I said, Commissioner, I love your sport. I don't know what a catch is. I don't understand what a catches. And he literally said in the air he goes Colin, it's a big problem that super Bowl. They literally switched it for the Supermember. There were a couple of juggling catches by the Eagles in the end zone. They were touchdowns. And I don't know.

I just when I look at the NFL in my business, you got to talk about it about sixty five percent of the time, I think it's I don't even know what the hole is like. I think it's a brilliant league and incredibly well run.

Speaker 3

You could argue that you could talk about it eighty eighty five percent of the time and not skip a beat. I thought the criticism for him and a lot of big j's that were very very angry at Roger holding this press conference, I think like no one cares. The average fan does not care what Roger's saying. The other thing is no one associated with the NFL, players, coaches, executives, owners, people like us that talk about it have ever had

more success because of the popularity of this sport. Yet if you just pull the average person that writes about the NFL, they would say Roger sucks. And on the flip side, they would say Adam Silver is great and listen. Maybe it goes back to he doesn't playkate with him, he doesn't text many of them. Maybe I've never met the guy. I don't have any dog in the fight. Beside, I like football. But the league, think about how about this week is a good example. They were very very

against Vegas for a long period of time. My father works for a big farmer back in the seventies that bought a Vegas casino, the Maxim. Do you remember that when you got there in a gun bankrupt and he had bought it, And when he bought it. The guy comes up to him and says, Jack, we got three or four rooms with basically the equivalent of Joe Peshi, Roberts Neer, Andraoda. They don't pay. I would just let them be. Those mob guys right in Vegas forever seventies

eighties is probably shady. You go there. Now it's corporate America s and P. Five hundred. It is normal business. And what have the NFL done? They shifted right there, and that's that Vegas super Bowl should happen every four years, Max. I mean, you talk about a perfect place. It's it's made for that. And now they have the How awesome did that Super Bowl look on television in that in that stadium and they listen, they were very at adamant

anti Vegas. Remember Tony got in trouble and then the laws changed and they quickly pivoted and they moved a team there and they've never looked back.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I think, And that's what people I talked to. I've always been partial to Miami because it's just such a walk around on Ocean Avenue and it's warm ocean, Ocean Drive, and then I think it's Collins Drive or whatever is behind it. I love just walking and by the way, it's it's it's like South America. It's cold, and the rest of the country it's even cold California in Dallas, and then it's warmed out of Miami. But I always thought Miami did the best job, and Los

Angeles is more than capable. But LA's a big city. In traffic's an issue, traffic downtown because of that F one race. It really f to the traffic. Vegas has never had great traffic. But you know, the other thing is about the Super Bowl in Las Vegas. Look up the twenty biggest hotels in America eighteen or in Vegas. You go to these places like the MGM, the biggest hotel in most American cities may have six, four hundred and fifty rooms. These things have like eight thousand.

Speaker 3

I stayed on the sixty fifth floor at the Cosmo. I mean, I don't know how many rooms the Cosmo has, but to do the math, there's got to be a lot.

Speaker 2

So the city's just uniquely built. You know, I've said this for years. We don't move around Marti Gras, New Year's Rock and Eve. We don't move around a lot of the awards that we see on TV and radio. You don't have to move everything. I mean this idea that we should have cold weather super Bowls. You can't put a super Bowl. We tried it in Jacksonville for christ Sake. I was there. They had to bring in ships. There was nowhere to sleep. I mean they were having local.

They had to call in three thousand taxi drivers from like Miami, in Orlando. It was an as show. Put it in VI.

Speaker 3

If I said the super Bowl, If I said the super Bowl was there five straight years, would anyone complain? I don't think they would. It's just you don't never need to go outside. It's just it's uniquely equipped for that.

Speaker 2

Yeah. No, I thought Vegas crushed. I thought Goodell had another good year. They just navigate all the turbulence and social issues. I wouldn't be surprised if the same two teams are back. I okay, so let's do this. Let's I thought Romo and Nance did have a good game. You know, it's funny. I don't they're going to move the deck chairs. I think the CBS pregame show there wasn't a memorable moment. They're all nice guys, but I I didn't a lot of oomph. To me, it's kind

of Fox has had that crew. It's like TNT basketball. It's just better than the ESPN's what are you gonna say, it's Barkley and Shack, it's Kenny Attorney. I think the Fox crew's been doing it. You know, it's a little older in the tooth, but it's just good. It's been good for a long time. It's smartly produced Bill Richards, it's great. Piece is funny enough. And the CBS crew's okay to me, NBC at Night very okay to me.

Speaker 3

Oh terrible.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I'm not avail you. But I thought Romo and Nance were pretty good. I think Nance is great, and I think, you know, Tony is just kind of a squirrely, fun personality. Tony is the kind of guy that if you went out golfing with him, you'd have a ball. He'd tell you a million stories, and sometimes he can be a little bit loose. But I thought he did. I thought he was. I thought it was one of Tony's Romo's better broadcasts. I thought he started calling things very quickly.

Speaker 3

You know.

Speaker 2

One of the things he kept saying is, you know, he'd be like oh this this drive hurts or he kept saying I thought it was really smart. He goes, okay, that whatever you just saw there, that was a designed Shanahan play. He was calling that throughout the game. He would give the coach credit, not just the player, and that's important. There's a distinction there that we always give the quarterback credit. And he would say with like at the end, he's like, that's an Andy Reid play. Mahomes

is great, That's an Andy Reid play. So I what is your take? I think Nansen Romo are fine. I do think once he signed that seventeen million dollars a year contract, he became a target. And once you're a target, it's hard.

Speaker 3

I think he got pigeonholed in the lane if he calls the plays, which is not a sustainable thing to do. And I think it is hard to be the goofier guy if you're not a little older. You know, John Madden when he started calling games, by the time I was a kid, was in his fifties right or sixties. Gruden was already this massive personality by the time he got the booth. When I think about Troy Aikman, I think a guy like he'll crush some people. Troykman's kind

of an old school bat. He has that definitive lane. People kind of like that because a lot of announcers, the former players, they won't really be critical. Troy has no problem doing that. It's mie I enjoy that. Collins Worth is just one of those unique guys that I don't remember a play he ever made because by the time he was already retired by the time I was

probably ten. But he's just good. And you watch Tony sometimes against Lucy because not really my style, because he's never gonna be that critical on moments where it's like, okay, Tony, but if you're not gonna do that, you have to do something else. And he kind of lost his fastball once he stopped doing the plays, and people thought he was starting getting lazy because what's he doing. He's never going well, that's a terrible call when it obviously is.

I think most people that sit on their couch now we've all watched a lot of football. Some stuff's pretty obvious. And when the announcers refuse because they are everybody's friends, they know these coaches, it's not that enjoyable, right. Why does Colin coward have success. You're opinionated. You see something, you say it, And I think Tony was very hesitant to do that. In fairness to Peyton Manning, he's like, listen, I don't want to be critical. So he doesn't call

the games. Really, he just does the thing with Eli. But if you're gonna sit in that chair, if you're gonna be Tom, it's gonna be hard. Like Tom, people are gonna want to hear you say that's a terrible play call because we watched you play and we know that's your style. Like you get mad and Peyton does it actually sometimes too when he immediately kind of goes viral because people like that. And I think Tony's always

really struggle with that. Even day. He tries to play nice with both guys like Jim, I think he should go forward a year. They just just pick a lane tone It's okay if you're wrong. But I think he's always very offen. He's always very hesitant, it feels like to offend the coach because he knows these guys well. They all text him, these buddies with him, and that to me is my criticism. He just won't say stuff when it's pretty obvious. Sometimes I don't care about the

play calls. I like having a little fun whatever, But just say that was a terrible freaking call, Jim. That cannot happen in that situation. He's just never gonna where Troy. I would say, Troy, especially once Tony's got a lot of money, has no problem laying the law down and people enjoy that.

Speaker 2

All right. I don't ask for Scillo or do this much. He comes on TV and I'll go on his podcast, but I don't want to get in his way. He's busy, he's a man of the people, and I don't want to get in his But I do like talking to him because on my podcast we can talk about stuff. Look at the first thing he does is show the gun show. I mean, fuck, I got no shot here. I know it sounds you'll remember this. So I always worry, you know, overreaction, Monday recency bias. I'm emotional. I watch

these games. I get so cy and I could you and I could sit and talk for an hour about a game, and you and I have had beers and we were just like, it's like we're doing a show, right because we love what we do. But I remember years ago. You'll remember this. Randy Moss goes to the Patriots. He's there are a couple of years, it's very successful. Monday night game against Miami. They don't freaking target him. And I went on the air the next day ESPN, I said, he's out, time out. You don't have Randy

Moss and not target him. Now, you could target him eleven times with two completions. It could be the weather, it could He's out. And I remember at this point, I was still like reading emails and people are like this recency. But two days later it was gone, and I'm like, sometimes it's not recency bias. You're seeing shit. And I remember that because it was like, you couldn't guard Randy Moss at that point. You literally couldn't guard him. You had to roll coverage over. You could put revs

on him, it didn't matter. He got open. And I'm watching about two weeks ago, I'm watching three weeks ago, I'm watching Mahomes and I saw it again Sunday and it reminds me of MJ. And I said this three weeks ago. I said, I think that's the best football player I've ever seen. And one of the things I remember this with Michael Jordan years ago. I was on the couch at the time with a a young lady.

It was Vegas years ago, and it was the Phoenix Chicago series, Barkley, mj and she was a basketball player, so she really loved the sport. And I said, there's fifty guys in this league, Michael as tall as Michael as slender. He's not the best shooter or the best ball handler. I said, you should be able to duplicate that. Nobody can. I'm like, he makes it look like like so easy, I said, even the great players. Barkley, you could tell when he shifted gears, Clyde Drexler, you could

tell Kobe's shifting gears. Michael be like, he get bet these beads of sweat in his head and You're like, yeah, I think he's shifted gears. That Michael was so effortless when he would flip the ball over his head when he was fouled. And when I watch Mahome, I'm like, is he playing eighty percent speed? This is not I can tell when Josh Allen and Lamar are trying, and I don't think it's overreacting. I've never I've never seen anything like Mahomes. I've never seen it.

Speaker 3

I haven't.

Speaker 1

You still think, look, he's what he's doing at the position, because you know, we can talk about players and then the resume because we get really good at counting and you start adding it all up. It appears, especially with the throwing angles and all that stuff, that he's more gifted at physical thrower of the football than Brady. But you don't have some of the same feelings that you

had about Brady. Were Brady in those big playoff spots when he dropped back, you just went, oh, like, he knows he's elevated his risk, he knows what he has to do. They're not protecting. He doesn't have anybody getting open on the outside right like I would see Brady in these games decide, Hey, these are the things that aren't going my way. Now I'll adjust to those in a way that I think. It's a pretty short list of people that I think are even on that with him.

Speaker 2

So I felt like Brady was a math. He beat everybody at the math that Tom could go to the line of scrimmage and he just did math and he knew what you couldn't defend. He always had a very good possession guy, Dion Branch, Wes Welker, Edelman, he almost always had a good tight end. Dante Scarnakia run game O line, he had protection. I felt what Tom was doing, and this is not a knock. It was like chess. Tom was a math expert. He would go to the line.

He knew what was coming. You couldn't throw anything at him. With mah Holms. He had a run in the Super Bowl where he ran in late it may have been overtime, fourth quarter. He cut through the D line and sprinted. And there's something cognitively beyond math that his like he can do the math too. There is something about his ability to see something and the ball is out of his hand quicker than anybody I've ever seen. That. It's brain function into ability and to release. It's like Marino plus Tom.

Speaker 3

Oh.

Speaker 2

Yeah, he runs better than both. It's just I watch him and I think it looks like it reminds me of Jordan. I'm like, is he playing at seventy percent speed?

Speaker 3

Well?

Speaker 1

Yeah, I feel like I'm I'm disagreeing with you by just pushing back on that. We've never seen anyone have this composure throughout a game when I watch Brady do it for twenty years, But when you want to.

Speaker 3

Talk about.

Speaker 1

His ability in the moment, he's a basket. Like the reason I've always loved basketball is that if you're really that good.

Speaker 3

You just figure out a way. You just figure out away.

Speaker 1

Like it's five on five and you know you can double team E, but I gotta get rid of the ball.

Then I'm going to come back to it and within the shot clock, Like I got to figure out a way to make this shot, because nobody great gets double team to the points, Like, hey, that guy he has zero points to the fourth courter of a playoff game, Like you find a way once all the plays are understood and everything's breaking down and the other guy who can't shoot throws it back to you, and you have it with seven second stuff on the shot clock, huge

possession game seven. You have to find a way. You're not relying on whether or not an infielder was positioned correctly or if the pitcher had it or didn't have it. If you're the cleanup hitter, you know, Like that's so codependent. And even though football's the ultimate team sport because of all the moving pieces, like there's just so many other things that have to go into you making it work.

And Mahomes has felt like the best basketball player, like he's playing football like a basketball player, where I thought that game against San Francisco was incredibly hard for him. Watching the beginning of that game, that first half, I'm like, Okay, the San Francisco d line has shown up now in a way they did not show up against Green Bay or Detroit. They're up for this, they're amped. He doesn't have guys that can win on the outside.

Speaker 3

Here. You know, where's Kelsey. Okay, there's a little bit here there.

Speaker 1

They're running right up the middle with Pacheco, and this Niners defense that was supposedly susceptible of that was shut it down for a good chunk and it didn't look like he was comfortable. And then we saw that stat where they've gone seventeen straight possessions in the playoffs going back to the Baltimore game into the San Francisco game without a touchdown. And yet you're like, he'll figure it out, and he did. I mean, it's gotta be incredible. You

want to talk about sports fandom jealousy right now? I mean, how could anyone be higher than the Chiefs fans like, there's no one that you'd be more jealous of, knowing that that guy's there going to be there a long time. And I agree with you that it feels like this one guy that can control a game where it's not supposed to be one guy that controls it Basketball. It's supposed to happen football, it's not.

Speaker 2

Let's pivot to this. So you and I go to a certain place, don't you know, the nine hundred club in Manhattan Beach. So I ran into Chip Kelly a couple of times in the last month, so I had a pretty good inkling that, you know, an offensive coordinator gig maybe in the offing. The second thing is I ran into Lawrence Frank. I sat down to have a cobb salad and a beer because I just worked out, and I thought, eat clean, get home. Lawrence Frank is next to me who runs the Clippers. Really nice guy,

and it was fascinating that let's pivot to this. So as we kind of move into the NBA season, I told him, I said the Lawrence, I said, I know you don't listen to your busy guy, but holy shit, did I miss on this. I was like, this hardened thing. Give me a break, Where's Westbrook going to play? The chemistry? And he was really interesting. He said, you know, at this point in James's career, shit, he wants to be coached and win. He got money, he got fame. He

just wants to win games. I have watched probably six of their last seven games, and I don't know if I told you this. It is the most enjoyable NBA offense in my opinion, to watch mid range transition threes, multiple wings, scores and defenders. I honestly think Boston and Denver and the Clippers to me feel different the rest of the league. Now the Clippers have some scoring on the bench, Celtics Denver don't really But I've never said

this in my life. A I was totally wrong in b I do feel like the Clippers could win a championship.

Speaker 3

I'm with you on thinking it could happen.

Speaker 1

But you're also telling me Kawhi and Paul George are going to be healthy at the end of the year, which has not been a good health bet. They're the worst health bet of any of the contenders. But I did a pod probably a week ago after watching them go on this ridiculous stretch where you're like, Okay, you know this is significant. We're talking about a twenty seven

and six stretch. Although by the time we're taping this, it was pretty alarming seeing Minnesota handle them so well, and it's the second time they played them, which you know, there's some matchup stuff with that that had me thinking about, wow, you know, they really bogged him down. But yeah, look, Kawhi has played at a level that's almost like pe Kawhi again, and he's been playing most of the season. Paul George, who we knew put up massive numbers, was

one of the ten most talented players. I thought he had a lot of playoff awards that were legitimate. I mean, he had an elimination game of Oklahoma City. It was terrible when they blew the three to one lead to Denver at the end of that. I mean, it was just bad. So it was kind of like, hey, is he one of these guys? And I thought once everybody else was gone and they took out Utah a few years ago and it was all on him and he had no choice. He had no one else to even

defer to that. I think he's I hope for his sake that he's turned the page on that a little bit.

Speaker 3

But I was with Ian Harden.

Speaker 1

I just didn't think he's somebody you'd want to get into business with. It had been the third team. He had quit on the fourth trade demand, which I don't really blame him for the first one, because he wanted to make his money in Oklahoma City, wanted to pay Durant, Westbrook and Obaka, so that one didn't bother me. The end of Houston bothered me, the end of Brooklyn bothered me.

And the Philly one, I mean, I thought he was he was very peak Valley again in the playoffs when they needed a most and they blow the three two lead to Boston. And I've shocked people with this because they know I don't really like him, and I don't like the way he's officiated and all that stuff.

Speaker 3

Again, none of it's really personal.

Speaker 2

I don't know the guy.

Speaker 1

Maybe he's sounds like people love hanging out with him, so he he thought he was getting the big money, but he took thirteen million less and Philly's adamant that nothing was ever understood. And I'm always like, I don't know a lot of guys that just leave thirteen million on the table without thinking the extension is coming to make up for it. He doesn't play well enough against the Celtics that extension now is whatever was talked about,

depending on who you want to believe. But when he had been traded finally, Colin, even though Lawrence Frank is telling you, hey, he wants to win, he wants to be coached, his first answer was, I want to go somewhere I can get paid. It just so happens to be a contender from an area that's close to where he's from and with an owner that has the deepest

pockets of anybody. And I think the lesson in all of this is that Harden would have been super unappealing for a lot of other scenarios where it's still a

no for those teams. But credit to the Clippers, the culture, having the other guys established, he doesn't have to be the guy he's probably going to get paid, and now that he's the third guy, he can have those playoff duds which are all over littered throughout his game log in his playoff history, where he could maybe even still have one of those, and it won't matter because the way the rest of the team is.

Speaker 2

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