Colin Cowherd Podcast - Stafford To Giants? Bills Should Trade For Garrett, NFL Combine Preview, Is Streaming Bad For Sports? Travis Hunter Should Play CB

I had a great time. I went to a Sun's Bulls game Saturday night. Met Justin Isa, the Mattasbia owns the Phoenix Suns. Justin Justin his brother Ishbia, met him.

I'm gonna do that in April on a vacation. But before we get started, the one thing I wanted to touch on with you and I just just it's not football, so we can ramble and talk about a bunch of stuff. So when I was I try to kind of stay off. I watched the Nation's for Hockey stuff. I thought that was great. I mean NHL basically said we're gonna punt on our All Star Game. Nobody likes any of these All Star games except baseball. The rest of them are tanking.

We're gonna try something new Finland, Sweden, Canada, US.

to explode. It doesn't really happen. It's just patriotism. And there was a lot of talk during the break that I can't believe ESPN's letting go of baseball either can I. But what's interesting isn't that they signed the NBA. That's not interesting because the NBA has got iconic franchises Sixers, Celtics, Lakers, Warriors, Bulls, Knicks, and it's got iconic stars. It's always been a star driven league. Anybody that's a sports fan, even a casual, can name twelve fifteen guys in the NBA right now.

But what's amazing is ESPN signed hockey along with TNT to a four and a half billion dollar deal seven years A few years ago. There is no iconic franchise in at least in America. Toronto Police and you know in North America are there's no recognizable hockey star in America that g walk into a mall and everybody would freak out like a Rodness Prime or O Tawny right now, or Aaron Judge or Bryce Harper, where everybody knows who

they are. So when people get all worked up about ESPN signing an NBA deal and not a baseball deal, My take is, oh, I get it. I would have signed a baseball deal too. I think you have to have baseball. I think it's been on a two year heater. The pitch clock, defensive shift eliminated, and all the stars are in New York, LA. You know big markets it Philadelphia, Bryce Harper, Atlanta, Acunya. Like they got all their stars

in the right markets. But what's amazing to me is ESPN and Jimmy Patar is a huge baseball fan, says buy to baseball. That's really got some two year momentum going, and said yes to hockey. And I know hockey fan thinks this nation's fourth thing means hockey is back. My take is it's patriotism. Every track and field gets hot for three weeks every four years.

Nations thing. I think, like you said, the jet fuel with the patriotism, but that fight that happened and the booing of the national anthem, it was a perfect sce. We're always We're always an underdog, how often are we We're never underdogs in basketball? Right in the National STUF. So we're an underdog in hockey against Canada way back in the day. They intertwined to yeah, so it was it was easy watch. I'll say the thing about baseball.

When I you know, I've lived in North California the majority of my life, I would just have Giants games on in the background. Yeah, and unlike other or it's like basketball, I don't watch as much anymore, but I would watch national brands play basketball, right, like I'll watch the Lakers play basketball. I live in Arizona. I will not watch the Diamondbacks play baseball. And they're good, but I'm not going to turn them on my TV. Like I would just have the Giants on a nightly bay.

I don't watch any baseball anymore, and it's not because I don't like the sport. I do. I was I'm glued during the playoffs, but I think they really struggle with beside your own team. That's where football dominates, right. You could put Jags Chargers on a playoff game and thirty million people are watching. That is not the case

with the brands in baseball. And I just think they're in a weird point in time because they are popular in these march If the Giants are good, they dominate in the Bay Area, the Dodgers huge in La New York. I mean, how big is baseball going to be in New York City this year with the Mets and the Yankees now? Yeah, So I just think it doesn't really work nationally, Like Sunday Night Baseball hasn't worked in a long time. It doesn't mean the sport is not popular.

And then you know, you talk. I don't talk basketball really anymore. Yeah, and I I don't watch it as much as I used to, and part of it is because I just don't talk it. So I don't really care. Beside, I follow the Warriors pretty closely and the Luca thing. I would say it was a little jet few on falling the Lakers and what's going on there, But they are discussed nationally on sports shows and baseball is just not.

to the high school basketball team. Like basketball is inexpensive, unlike a golf or hockey with the equipment, or football because.

the perfect markets. You don't have all your stars in Cincinnati or Cleveland. And that's nothing against those cities, but I just thought for ESPN, I'm like, guys, two years ago, you signed a seven year billion dollar deal on a hockey and I'm a sportscaster. I can't name six NHL guys and I respect the hell out of the sport. But it's not a talking point in my industry.

thing is a cash coun for them. The amount of people that come to this area to watch spring training baseball. These are West Coast teams. I mean, this is the Padres, the Dodgers, the Giants. You feel the popularity. Again, I'm a little jaded living here right now, but baseball does feel big this time of year. With all these baseball guys. It's kind of the center of the universe. Because in Florida's a little spread out right in baseball, it's all right here at some of the big brands, I mean

the Dodgers. I went to a Dodger game last year in spring training and it felt a little bit like you were watching the nineties bulls. Yeah, it was like, this is insane.

like Ace ACE two. I mean, it's just like stars all the way through the pitching staff. So I know we're kind of rambling here, but my point was when people were getting off on this. If I ran a sports network, there's four things i'd have. NFL, I'd try to have college football at least big regular season, Big ten or SEC, hopefully the playoffs. I'd want the World Cup for global sports, and i'd want the baseball playoffs. That's what i'd want. Those are the things I would like to have.

The Yankees are going nowhere. The Dodgers are stacked forever as they push those contracts down the road. The Braves are always well run. Freaking Mets have Steve Cohen. So it's like to me, it was like, wow, this.

likes him, They want to stay together. He understands the importance of McVeigh and Pukinakua and the organization, and the Rams like him. And it's a bad quarterback class and Aaron Rodgers is an option but not a preferred option. Stafford's better now But here's an interesting thing. A lot of Giants of pushback on this. We're not giving up the number three pick. So my take is, would you

flip picks with the Rams because it's different. If this was a great quarterback draft class, I'd be very reluctant to give it the number three pick because I could trade down, right, which the Rams would do if they got the number three pick. They would trade down and get more picks. The Giants not necessary. They're not necessarily going to trade down. They're just going to draft the quarterback. Or they would get Stafford so they wouldn't have to.

But when you as a GM, I would have no problem getting Matt Stafford, giving them a three year deal, maybe four. You know, I would draft a quarterback second year into it and just say, okay, I'll take the Rams pick late first you get my draft top of the first. I would have no problem doing that. Because they've been unwatchable for a decade. The coach and the GM are on the hot seat in New York between Jade and Daniels and the Eagles roster. You're non competitive.

You're not a competitive team going forward. But when I say that, Giant fans are you cannot trade the number three pick. There are drafts I agree with that, This isn't You're not getting cam Ward. This is not one of those drafts.

And the general manager's also just speaking realities, would never get another job, right. So to me, now if I was the owner, I could not. We would not be doing that. That's I think it's risky business. I would also not be in business. Look at the last two

quarterbacks that were older. They got a lot of money that the Packers, who are one of the best drafting teams of like all time, We're like, yeah, we're done with Aaron Rodgers, and then Kevin O'Connell was like, yeah, I'm done with Kirk Cousins, and both those teams regretted those moves immediately. I mean the Aaron Rodgers thought, well, they had to make that move. Like I don't blame them for making that trade the Jets, but that that

was a disaster. The Cousins thing was even worse because at least Rogers at one point time was one of the greatest players ever. Cousins always had some limitations coming off the Achilles and let's face the colum, They're probably gonna cut him in the next seven ten days. He's going to get cut. So now Stafford at this point in time is better than that version of Rogers and definitely Cousins. But I you know where I come with Stafford.

You know he is going to accumulate it. I looked he made over two hundred and twenty million dollars in Detroit. His career earnings right now are about three hundred and sixty million dollars. So when his career is over, he will be over four hundred million dollars. So even after taxes and after paying agents, he will have accumulated before he's forty years old, over two hundred million dollars in net income. I'm not even talking about what he's made off the field in la I know he's I see

him on sleep number commercials. He is really really rich. Right at this point in time, when you spent a decade and a half almost in an irrelevant franchise and losing constantly in the peak of your powers, wouldn't you go like, look at what Tom did? Like, wouldn't it makes sense to Beheyshan. It doesn't get any better than the Rams. I know we're well run, I know I

have an elite coach. I'm in a huge market. I have made Peyton Manning level money, and I have gotten my ass kicked and we draft in the top ten. Now I'm with a franchise who I don't even know these guys they are bringing in, and all of a sudden, by mid season they're ass kickers. Like, why would I want what I would come out? I would have stopped this conversation. I will do whatever it takes. I'm not gonna make five million dollars, but why wouldn't he be like,

I'm making twenty seven this year. Let's do a two year deal for like forty million, guarantee every penny you go out and buy players. I want to be here. I'm gonna go Brady, I've already people. I don't count other people's money. This guy has made so much money and he played in such a bad franchise, shouldn't he Like, I wouldn't want any part of the Giants.

it gets out either through their agent or sources. Stuff gets out when people want it want it out. Right, Like in my entire life, stories get out when people want it out. That that's the reason stuff gets out. I've got secrets in my career in negotiations never gotten out because the company doesn't want him out, and I don't want him out this time. In my negotiations, nothing gets out. I don't want it out, they don't want it out. I'd always tell my bosses keep it out

of the press. I don't want anything in the press. But when people do, it does get out there. It's generally because the sides want a deal, they want to remate. So when I when I see the Matt Stafford stuff, my take is Matt wants to stay in Los Angeles. He's got a gorgeous place near the beach, and I think hermos are Manhattan Beach. It's great weather. He was in the Midwest for years. He's a Texas Georgia kid.

He probably likes warm weather. So I and this this is not an indictment on anybody that goes public, but it discounts in politics, if you're trying to get legislation passed. It counts in contracts. It counts when I I mean stuff is out when somebody is trying to create leverage. But they truthfully they want to stay where they're at. So I think he'll be a running Yeah.

that Iuke deal. And now they're kind of burned and now they're pivoting like, oh, we got to be careful with doing that stuff. The Rams learned early on because Todd Gurley's knee just went right. And this Stafford thing, I think they have just been they've been tough with him. Yeah, you know, he's been you know, with Detroit, they always bet right over and gave him and he was always the highest paid guy. You know. The last couple of years, it's been hard. He's like, I'm only making twenty seven.

They're like, well, I we'll give you a couple of million dollars more, but we're not. We're not giving you two years one hundred million dollars. Mat that's just not happening, right, And we want you, you want us. We're winning, listen, and I know you only have a chance. It's like, once he leaves, he's probably not going to make when he's forty two years old, retired thirty million dollars in his first shot, whatever he does. So I understand, you

have the opportunity to make a lot of it. But he's made so much in winning, like you could go down as a legendary player that I would be very careful about driving this hard in negotiation. Now. I think he also knows, like what would the Rams do, you know, Sean McVay. They're not really in the business of just like, oh, we'll figure it out on the fly, like they understand what they have. But I think they have some negotiating power because, like you said, he doesn't want to leave.

Look at his options, like the Giants are the Titans are going to trade? How are we talking about? Gross?

thought about. Aaron's got a place in Malibu, and it's like, hey, if we get trapped here, we'll bring on Aaron for a couple of year deal. Plus Aaron. From all the indications, Aaron wanted to be a Jet and was dumped for the second time, So I think Aaron does not want to end his career like that. And again, I thought in his last ten games he had like a ninety

eight passer rating he was pretty good. So my take is Aaron, it's not a I mean I had somebody that I really trust tell me this that Aaron Rodgers is who McVeigh would go after. I mean, he went after a guy in Baker Mayfield that came with baggage. He went after him in one second.

Stafford will sit in there. He will get peppered as he delivers a strike, and that you know, at the level in which the Rams, I mean they're the only team that went toe to toe with the Eagles, you know, so it's like they're trying to compete for the Super Bowl. That difference in standing in there throughout the course of a season in the big games, I think there would be a drop off unless Aaron was just willing again to play like he did. And I don't think at

forty one years old, he would be. I mean that is one thing. Stafford will sit in there kind of like the old school quarterbacks and still get hit. So I understand maybe his negotiating, like, hey guys, I'm taking a lot of hits here too, Like I need some money for this, for these bruises that I wake up with every Monday morning.

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You're not going toe to toe with a Herbert, I don't think, or a Mahomes, But I think you put him in the AFC South with Shane Steikin, I think he can go toe to toe with a CJ. Stroud on most Sundays. What do you think happens with Sam?

was really, really bad. I still think at minimum he's going to get a Baker Mayfield three or one hundred million dollars type contract with me, and clearly with good coaching you can. I mean, his team was sixty minutes away from the number one overall seed. He played a massive role in that, so I think you got to be careful. Yeah, I think that game exposed a little bit when he starts getting blitzed, he starts you know,

I don't want to say seeing ghosts. He's come a long way since then, but he looked dramatically different in those two games than he did. But you'd also say he's you know, Aaron Glenn became a head coach, one of the best defensive coordinators in the league and just was blitzing them every single play. And Sean McVay and Shula are just they had that defense rolling. I mean, they went, they were hitting Hurts, they made him look

bad in that game. They were playing good defense. So I still would have no problem given now that here's the thing, like, you know, these quarterbacks, the dominoes, all these teams looking are gonna have some ranking going into the combine. When they talked to the Age and so it's are you all in on Sam Donald? Because if you draft or if you sign Sam Donald to a multi year deal, you're probably not drafting a quarterback if you're the Giants, if you're the Titans, if you're the Raiders.

But if you take Cousins or Rogers, you know, you're probably still have no problem drafting a quarterback really high. So I think Donald would be the one guy that would just get signed and immediately become, you know, kind of not your long term starter, but at least in the immediate next couple of year starter.

college football. I think it would go for him as well, which wouldn't shock me if he doesn't throw, though, Chador isn't you know, some elite prospect in terms of his qualities, Like if you're Josh Allen, you should throw at the combine. Why you're throwing one hundred miles an hour. I remember Lamar Jackson when he got all the pushback about Pollan's common about the wide Receiver's like, I'm not gonna run. It's like, Lamar, You're gonna run a four to two.

Everyone's head's gonna turn and you're gonna be the talk of the combine. It was a mistake not running. Now, granted it all worked out. I don't blame Chador for not throwing in this environment because it's not the best environment. If I'm cam Ward, you have a huge arm throw, I would no one cares about completions and completions you're throwing people you don't know. Let that ball rip as all the coaches and gms are sitting there in the

boxes and in the seats right there in Indy. So I think those two guys in a huge part of the I'm buying is the interviews and with a quarterback, and I would throw Jackson Darton here, who I think is going to gain some momentum as a potential first round pick. Is the person like, what are you like as a guy? I mean, last year you see some of these clips, it was a pretty high level class. You know, Jade Daniel's really high level guy. Obviously Caleb, everyone had known him for years and he was a

lot to go number one. But Drake May, Michael Pennix, I mean, the bo Nicks, JJ McCarthy. So it was like they're going to crush these interviews. Coaches. This is the first the gms and the scouts have been watching these guys for years. The coaches, you know, NFL coaches don't really watch as much college football as the average fan would think. The head coach might have it on, you know, Andy Reid does, but a lot of guys

are just sco tunnel vision. They don't know that much about these players and definitely have never met him and a lot of times haven't really evaluated them. So this is kind of their first exposure. So meeting them as a human being and getting to know the guy and getting to know like their football smarts and their football IQ. It's a huge, huge moment for all the guys that you know are in the mix to I mean, all

these guys are draft We're gonna get drafted. The majority of the guys go to Combine, but definitely the guys that have like the ability to get drafted in the first round. I mean, there's just a lot of money on the line, you know, getting drafted high.

There is a big difference if you're interviewing someone to be the thirteenth overall pick standing there and talking to him in meeting him, seeing him face to face, than zooming him. So I do believe you should go. I saw my guy, Tim Kala Kami in the Bay Area. Kyle Shanahan, like McVeigh stopped going, Well, it's one thing when you're going to the Super Bowl or the NFC Championship every year, he reported, Kyle's probably gonna go this year.

Kind of need to meet these guys. Yeah, But my thing is like if the top coach is there and the Sandy Reed runs the league, like you should be there. And so I do believe there's value not in like you're change of direction in a condra okay, but like you might draft this guy in the second round. It's kind of gonna be a big deal when it's like a year in you hate the kid and it's your own fault when you didn't put in max effort to get to know him, to get to meet him every opportunity.

I mean, at this point in time, the salary CAP's almost three hundred million dollars. It's pretty big business. Yeah, you know, these are your most important assets. So I do think the value is more less about the running and catching the gauntlet drill and more just sitting with the kid and interviewing him and being there with your coordinators. Not every coach needs to go. But to me, the head coach and the coordinators should all be present with the with the scouting staff.

a lot of it was. It was such a mess, you know, it was all a mess, and I think he'll bounce back. I'm gonna throw Travis Hunter out as a player that could be that could underachieve. So I don't doubt he's good enough to be a number two receiver in the NFL and a number one corner, no doubt either. But to ask to be both, I mean, if you had a great linebacker who also played tight end, it's undeniable that the physical toll would hurt what you're best at. I would put him at corner but he

wants to be a receiver. I don't know if he's a number one receiver in the NFL. Maybe on a weaker team. He's certainly good enough. But you can't be a number one receiver if you have a young quarterback who's trying to get reps. Confidence in timing. It's a timing position. Running Back isn't Cornerback isn't You can I mean high school to college, college of the pros. Running back in cornerback, you can walk in and just play. You could just I mean, those are two positions. I've

been told this forever. You would know this as a scout. Running back in cornerback, you could miss some of camp, you could be a you could have a contract hold out. You're ready to play week one or week two.

I mean he's very young. I think it's impossible to go do what he did. What he did in college was the Big twelve, wasn't the SEC or the Big ten, but it was still one of the greatest athletic achievements we've ever seen. The amount of snaps he's playing to you agree with, Oh yeah, but if you're going to be a both way corner wide receiver just playing corner alone, think of the wide receivers right now in the NFL.

The talent on a weekly basis of just pick up a random team who their schedule is on a week you're chasing those guys for sixty seventy snaps. He would be the number one corner, and then you would try to play full time wide receiver. I think it would be borderline impossible on the body. I don't think it's And you go back to look at Deon Sanders. I don't even think he had that many catches in his career. And this is and Dion, I mean, was just a

better prospect. Yeah, I mean, Tary Sound is a great prospect. Give me a break. Deon's one of the greast athletes in the history of America, right So, I do think he just needs to focus on one of the positions, and I hope and I think he's making the right decision right now at corner, and then he can be at just a high level corner. I don't think it's possible to go both ways. I don't think any team

wants him to be. That doesn't mean you can't, you know, Ben Johnson type coordinator, can't run a trick player for him, bring him in on offense. They used to do that with Dion when I was a kid. But like, I want you to be a lockdown corner, Derek Stingley, He's probably gonna get a hundred million dollars offseason. Why because he goes up against your number one wide receiver who are all making one hundred and eighty million dollars and

locks him down. Derevas did it, Sherman did it? You get paid a lot of money, and he's it's more valuable because harder to find. It's much easier to find a wide receiver than it is a corner. There just aren't that many. Most teams don't have one good corner, right. The teams that have two are like complete outliers in the national yets. Yeah, so I hope he stays just

at one. Now we'll see. I think, you know, Dion, who's essentially like feels like his father, constantly talks like he's going to do both ways, like, so he's not slowing it down. And I do think Dion speaks for Travis a little bit, and Travis hasn't walked away from it.

So I do think it's going to be interesting to see in Indy when he talks exactly what he says, because if he does say like I plan on doing both, like he's telling you, like eventually you got to just listen to what he's saying and believe him.

This feels so Buffalo or Green Bay. I saw something during the break I was on my phone and I tried to stay off it, but Warren Sharp, who does a lot of NFL stuff, had this breakdown of Josh Allen over the last several years, and it is a crime he hasn't been into a super Bowl. He is number one in so many different analytic categories that it's a crime that he's not getting the super Bowls. And so I do think you can keep running it back

with Sean m McDermott. But you're getting to a point now you're like, Okay, he's going to be coming out of his prime in about three years, Like you got to get him to super bowls. Look at that, And I think to myself, Von Miller's getting older, what would you give up? And I know it's a non quarterback, but I got to tell you I would have absolutely no problem because I think they've got most of their offensive pieces in check and they've drafted well on that side. Do you give up two ones?

for a guy twenty nine thirty years old. And the other thing is you got to look at his body type. It's gonna age well. I mean, he's just a complete freaking nature, you know, unlike you know, somebody Lawrence Talor. I don't think there are any questions off the field. No one's ever questioned like his his being in shape or I mean every time you see him that basketball highlight he had years ago, he looked like an NBA player. I mean, he like jumps out of pools from the

deep end. I just wonder, you know, the Browns are in a weird spot right now. They're just got the you got the Watson kind of contract anchoring the franchise, you're drafting two overall, your star player wants out. I do think it's the right time to just blow it up. But let's face it that their owner Can has proven to be a little bit of you know, kind of a kook sometimes with the way he operates, and he gets really involved because they do have you know, their

GM smart. He's a Roseman guy. I think we both agree Stefanski's pretty high level, good coach. But I think anything's possible anytime you get the Browns. They even said, like I do think they will throw here's one hundred and fifty million dollars, And it's one thing to say, hey, I want to trade, I want out. And if someone puts one hundred and fifty million dollars guaranteed run of Miles Garrett, like, would he resign with the Browns? Is

this a money play? When I've seen the clips of him talking to Super Bowl, it actually felt pretty measured, like I actually don't think this is really He's already super rich, Like this is about like we ain't winning here, especially in this division against Burrow and Lamar, we have no chance. So get me the hell out of here.

until Labor Day. Right, And I was thinking about this, and I was as I was flying from Chicago to La this afternoon. I thought about you in this question. So I don't watch Netflix or anything outside of sports from Labor Day weekend until the end of football, and then I take a week off like I just did, and then for about six months now, I watch a lot of Netflix, Apple TV, Amazon Prime, whatever it is, I'll watch series. So I watched Zero Day with Robert

de Niro. It's okay. I thought de Niro was really good. I thought the acting was good, the plot was a little.

And I'm sitting there watching Zero Day. I watched it over the course of two or three days with my wife. She didn't like it as much as me, and it was, you know, it was stuff was blown up. It was government, it was politics, it was DeNiro. I was all in and I was thinking about this that hockey, baseball, basketball, mls are all struggling Monday through Friday because they're not events.

And what's happened is My take is once football ends our nation, its favorite sport for six months is Netflix, and that they'll come in for an NBA final or a World Cup or an Olympics. But football and college football, but mostly the NFL, it is a six month event. Those Sundays and Saturdays, those are events. You go to them, you watch them, your friends watch them. Netflix doesn't do a lot of production during that time, knowing why release

new stuff. Guys are checked out for six months. But I was sitting there watching in baseball's regular season, basketball, hockey, Hockey's having a horrible regular season ratings. And my take is because they're competing with now the biggest offseason sport, which is Netflix. Streaming has gobbled up post football to Labor Day. A lot of these numbers. Now, I'm saying that because I'm a sportscaster and I have to watch sports. But man, when I got a week off, and if

I wasn't a sportscaster. Bro, I'm on streaming just I am on streaming with my wife watching shows.

It's fun, but I know the other games. Why would I watch when I don't have to and no one else I feel is the matter?

do that when I was younger. I also think, you just bring up Netflix. I saw orright, I heard on a podcast that YouTube where it's consumed the most is not on a phone or an iPad. It's actually on televisions. And that's obviously the youth. Right, that's a lot of younger people watch YouTube ontel. I don't view it like an app like I do Netflix or Amazon Prime. But people under twenty five do. Yeah, and in ten years those people are going to be thirty years old. And

it's just the options we have to watch TV. I think about when you know, forever, just basic cable, you would if nothing was on TV, you just scroll around, You dead up on random movies. You just watch Saving Private Ryan because it was on TBS. You never scroll anymore. Right, it doesn't even really exist. I don't even have I talk about television sports for a living. I don't have a cable box in my house. I have YouTube TV.

It doesn't even exist right now. Granted, I go to YouTube TV at Fox Sports one at nine o'clock in the morning, you come up, or CNBC or whatever, so it's I still have television, but it's completely different than just five years ago. I also think I've had this theory. You know, for a long time, we thought the NFL was playing those London games to move the Jags to London, right, which clearly is not true. Because he just spent hundreds

of millions of dollars. They're gonna stay in Jacksonville at least, that's what you know. He's invested a bunch of money there, what I think, and maybe once upon a time that was the goal. I think what they've realized the last three or four years. They just announce another Brazil game going to Germany. Well, where's Netflix's audience worldwide? So I can sell the Netflix in four years when I opt out of this thing. I'm not just getting John in

Arizona or Collins Chicago, or Bill in Tampa Bay. I'm getting James on an Air Force base in Germany, or Craig in Australia, or you know some dude in Brazil that likes football. So my numbers, I'm not just beholden

to the American market, Yeah, which crushes in football. I'm worldwide, baby, and I can't obviously through you and through the platform that you have given me the amount of people listening to me that are like, Hey, I'm from Australia, I got a question about the Cowboys, or Hey I'm from Germany. I'm a huge Niner guy. I mean this is it's not a worldwide sport like soccer. But in terms of the way Netflix, once they get involved with the NFL, it won't just be people in the States consuming the

products and they just saw it. Now. It's different than Mike Tyson Jake Paul Thing, but that got one hundred million people worldwide. So I think the NFL is pivoted to these international games to grow the audience to sell to the streamers. What do you think about that?

Fox or CBS. I'll use their production people. I just want to buy the rights, stream it and get eyeballs, and then then I'll pay for it to be produced instead of creating one hundred person remote unit or bidding for rights for the entire package. I'll take six games a year and I'll just use somebody else's production because I think that's what networks provide. And I don't think Netflix and Amazon are as good in my because I've known people that have moved to Amazon. I think Amazon

does retail exceptionally well. I think they've been clunky at The Washington Post. I think they've been clunky at Whole Foods. I don't think Whole Foods is nearly as good as it was before Amazon bought it.

not eight games, but like fifteen. We couldn't you sell that as a package like Amazon Prime Boom to Netflix. They're all over at the International you know, all over the world. Every single morning. Starting week two, there is a six thirty am Pacific Standard time game and Netflix pays like Amazon out of the blue. These games would have existed anyway at like Fox or CBS, you know, with the eleven other ones in the morning slate. You just put it as a it's not a primetime game,

but it's in its solo slate. It's not competing against anybody, and you sell it for whatever, I don't know, two billion a year, Yeah, right, because wouldn't you say that Thursday night football the next go round, Amazon or Netflix is going to pay more than they're paying now. Yeah, once they're proving they get fifteen million people to watch it every single Thursday night.

lot of money being thrown around. And I had talked to a couple of the bigger players, and my take was always, I like doing business because I bet on sports, but I didn't want gambling companies to be my boss. I wanted broadcasters to be my boss, because I'm a broadcaster and if I was, if I was a podcaster, that's why the volume we do podcasts, digital media, that's our specialty. And so I think Netflix does documentaries and true crime and movies, and I don't think sports is

their go to. And the idea that hey, we've got a lot of money, let's just throw it at sports. Now, I think Amazon's gotten much much better on Thursday Night football, but they still don't feel to me as good as the networks. And you know, they have more money than the networks, So it's not like a resources issue. It's a they don't quite have as good a feel for it right now. And so this idea that Netflix, I mean, I I've watched the Netflix sports. They don't have a

feel for it. And they're content people. Amazon's a retail giant. I mean that go look at the Washington Post fiasco, that's a mess. The grocery store stuff, it's not very good. So I am a loyal too. And I also like, honestly, how much do we ask fans to chase around games? Can you just put them on the ten o'clock one o'clock window West coast or East coast it's one and four.

I mean you're getting to a point where these fans now, I mean sometimes with Baseball, Roku, Apple, Fox guys, you're making it hard for fans.

there's some loyalty. I mean, the NFL is not like many industries where it's you know, management things constantly. The same families have owned these businesses forever every once in a while they get a new owner. But the Jones family, the Hunt family, the Davis family, you just go around like the Bardelo Yorks, I mean the same people, the Spanos family. These people have been in for decades, the crafts and all their kids are going to get it.

So I just believe that they look at you know, they just create something out of nothing and be like, oh, here's an international slate. Here's two billion dollars of games that we were going to throw that you and I would have had on a little box on Sunday ticket not even paid attention to. And they'll get two billion dollars for it. Now. Can this maintain forever? I don't know how long football will dominate, but it does feel like they're really in the peak of their business.

feel for I mean, Apple's baseball was awful. I try to watch it was it was awful, And I'm not disparaging any individual.

basketball behind some of these paywalls a little different animal. Listen, I got involved with the athletic right when it started. There were some people that drew a lot of revenue. Our guy Ethan Strauss, he's a cash cow. You put him mind it. People will come a lot of people. And these people were businessmen beside it. So you're getting no subscriptions here and we're paying you four hundred thousand dollars.

It was very black and white. I think baseball, like in basketball, it's gonna be very eye opening, Like how many people just watch this game? How many people just watched the Bulls played the Magic two hundred thousand people watch this game? I mean you know, I mean there are not you can tell me. They dominate on social media. They are not gonna go watch regular season random games

with a lot of these brands. Even if you put if I just put Lakers, just pick a random upon like Lakers Atlanta Hawks on a streaming service next week, relative to what it would be on ESPN or ABC behind a street, it would get cut. I think it would be twenty percent of that number if it would be tiny. Yeah, don't you agree there?

they are. It is really incredible what they you can press the button have something.

do sports content. But I'm telling you, some of their early stuff has just not worked for me at all. And I say that as a devoted Netflix consumer.

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