Colin Cowherd Podcast - Chicago Bears Draft Insight, Caleb Williams vs Justin Fields, Jordan vs LeBron

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oh shit, this guy's really good. And then I go to Chicago regularly and listened, and I thought, Wow, this guy's about the best young guy I've heard in the country, because I, you know, I've been listening to sports talk radio forever and he's come out with a new book which feels like an intellectual exercise, which I think is really important in our business, because sports radio can be, on our best days, somewhat mindless. It's called pipeline to

the pros. He's Danny, you're a really good writer. How d three small college? Nobody's rose to rule the NBA. And I'll get to that in a second, but it it does look a little bit. And when I wrote a book, it was sort of like, you know, I just wanted to prove to everybody I wasn't a radio idiot completely. But I want to start with something else. I think because I listened now to sports radio, and you and I contend New York, Detroit, Boston, Chicago, Philly

is better sports talk radio than Los Angeles. That's not a personal attime on anybody. I do think they're really talented people in LA. But when the weather's good and there's lots of options, people bail on teams very quickly when they're not good. But the hud Levels and the Buffalos and the New York Chicago, Detroit, you stay indoors and you watch your crappy teams, and you've got strong opinions, and you know that fosters sort of sometimes resentment and ankst with your teams.

and football dominates sports radio. But there's two shares that they're getting because there's just other things for people to do. Warm Weather Miami, they are great shows that have come out of there, great talents that have come out of there. They don't get any numbers. I would put Cleveland on the list great sports radio markets. They pull huge numbers in Cleveland, love the teams. Minneapolis pulls huge numbers on kfans.

So yeah, I think there's a ton there and it'd be really nice to live in a place where you could go outside. But today it's snowed in Chicago. In April. So we're supposed to talk about baseball in the radio. I'm like, I don't know, it feels like football weather today.

moved in the direction of more football. Part of that is when you can see a TV number every day, you see what's working and you see what's not, and football almost almost works. Secondarily, though big beat small scale beats up boutique, the NFL makes everything now look small. I think it's well run. I think sports gambling helps. I think it's better on television. I think other leagues

have made mistakes. One and done is hurt college basketball mends. Anyway, what percentage of your show mind about seventy percent NFL. I don't want to be in the NFL network, I pushed back. I've talked to a lot of college basketball in the last two three weeks. What percentage of yours is NFL.

Baseball on the radio was still incredibly powerful. You know, the Cubs are the biggest client to my radio station, six seventy four by far. We're still and I wish the number was higher. My co host is a bigger baseball guy. It's over fifty percent for football, even in opening day week with two teams in town, because it's all about Caleb Williams and the ninth pick and are the Bears on the come and all of that, and the other thing at least in this market. That I

would say is football's the great unifier. When I was growing up kid in the nineties in Chicago, the Bulls were king. The Blackhawks weren't even on TV, but there were people that were Blackhawks fans and not Bulls fans even at that period of time, and certainly when they had their dynastic run with three titles, the Hawks kind of overtook the Bulls as being the toughest ticket in town and that sort of thing. Cubs and White Sox split,

Blackhawks and Bulls split. Everybody cares about the Bears. Everybody has an opinion on the Bears. And for the national side of it, yes, sports, gambling, yeah, fantasy, But I think like the simplest way to explain it is that it's every game matters. It's one of seventeen and no other league has that. If I miss Bulls Hawks, and I don't talk about it on the show the next day, we don't get a single text call or tweet being like, hey,

you missed this really important thing. Because if a really important thing happens, I see about it on social media, it cuts through. We talk about it. But if you came on the Monday after a Bears Packers game, or a Bears Lions game, or a Bear's Jaguars game, or a Bears Bucks game, whomever. Even if they were five and ten and you didn't do four hours on the Bears game, the ramifications who played well, who didn't, who's going to get fired, who's going to get extended? All

those things, people would think you were insane. So it's the great unifier. And the thing that it has is that every game matters, and the rhythm of it, I think is great. You play a game on Sunday, you react on Monday. The coach and the quarterbacks speak on Monday, and quarterback speaks on Wednesday. You start looking ahead to the next game. Then there's a Thursday night game. Teams in your division matter. It's just for local sports, radio,

national TV. There's just such a great rhythm of football.

I a soccer fan than the average person. I try to invest in the MLS twice, but I'm not Tony Robbins or Magic Johnson.

I just I can't yea and so that. But that is a necessity in Philly sportstock Radio, Chicago sportstock Radio, New York sports talk radio, we do do some of that. And that is the part that I mean, if that's the part that feels like work. Okay, I'm not on the side of a road. I'm not welding. I'm not you know, I still love my job every day. But there definitely is an element of, man, this is a

little bit of an effort. Boog Shambi's terrific play by play guys, a buddy of mine's the voice of the Cubs locally, does a lot of stuff nationally, calls the World Series nationally for ESPN Radio. Him and I were talking about it one time and he had a great point about it, said, you know, if they were creating baseball today, they wouldn't say one hundred and sixty two games like it makes no sense. But they'll never They'll never go back because and people always because the numbers

and the that's because of money. Like we're recording this, the Cubs are getting ready to play a game. It's thirty eight degrees and it was snowing today.

would have UFC, NFL, NBA, college sports. You'd probably always have golf because it's an event and it's infrequent. The Olympics, it's an event. It's infrequent. But I do think I will say this. I think Fox, the company I work for, I think they have the right baseball. They have postseason baseball, and that's what I care about. I can I can flip a switch a little bit on baseball and really deeply care if the Yankees or the Braves or you know, the Cubs World Series.

I do think the new rules have really helped it. Yes, but also it's a twelve billion dollar industry. It's not dying. It's just football makes its billions with one hundred dollar bills. Baseball makes its billions with singles and fives. Right, It's regional. It's a local thing. Your local TV deal matters. How much money you spend on tickets locally really matters. The NFL. All that matters. These NFL stadiums are television studios. They make their money from Fox, CBS, NBC, ESPN, Amazon, That's

how the NFL makes its money. Baseball, the Cubs make their money from Wrigley Field tickets sold at Wrigley Field and the Marquee Sports Network, and that's why it's very different. The White Sox play eight miles south. Their economic situation is very different. They're in a huge market, but not as many people go and not as many people watch on TV same sport. So it's just a It's a sport of haves and have nots. A lot of it's archaic.

I am drawn still to a ton of it, but that's more based on tradition and where I was born than like the current product.

in hell, you know. So she's not a sports fan, but she's aware of it, and she asked the right questions if she asked a question, it's like, oh, yeah, that's a thoughtful question, and hopefully I'm a sportscaster and have most of the answers. But I would say this, I do, and I think sports in a great spot. I do think it's easier to be a harsh parent and get soft. It's much harder to be a soft parent and then pretend to get tough and your kids roll your eyes at you. The NBA has always been

a player's league. I do think they've crossed a line. The load management to be is outrageous. Base hockey doesn't do it, and they have eighty two games, and those guys are kicking the shit out of each other and have no teeth and it's hockey. By the way, if you've ever gone into a hockey locker room in between periods, drafter, the smell.

Now add in that two of the five were big time hockey players, like state champions in our high school, played college club hockey, and so they would play in men's leagues and they would come back with their uniform and their pads and their hockey sweaters or whatever, and like dumping in the on the back deck. You could smell it in the front room and the house. It is so disgusting. But yeah, Hockey Live by the Way

is great. It's a great time because if you're like, oh, i've ice skated before, i've skied, I consider myself mildly coordinated. And then you go out there and you see these guys are two hundred pounds and they're shooting the puck one hundred miles an hour and they're hitting each other on blade. So it's ridiculous.

I think it's a real Mark Cuban sold his team. I think Mark Cuban sees it.

I wrote a damn book about the NBA. I love the league, but they very clearly flip a switch come postseason in time, and it's kind of insulting. Yes, and it doesn't mean that they're not a thousand times better and more skilled than at any point in the history of basketball, and that it's still a better caliber of

basketball than college basketball. But when you know, even if I can't really tell, and I could see Steph Curry drop fifty on a given night and you can see, you go to an NBA game in person, you'll see something amazing, which is another reason why it kicks the shit out of baseball. Because you go to random baseball game, it's three nothing, You see nothing that's impressive. What the hell did I do other than have some beers in

the sun. But you go to any NBA game, you're gonna see something amazing because because honestly, even if the top three or four guys sit out and you're disappointed because that's the guy who's jersey you wear, there's more than three hundred good basketball players in the world. You know what I mean. So like the eighth, ninth, or tenth guy on a team that never gets any run can come in and drop twenty five or drop thirty,

or can do a windmill dunk or whatever. But I think when we see the switch being flipped in the playoffs, it's insulting to our sensitibilities.

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talented young sports talk radio host in the country. He's got kids, he's not that young, but he knows my admiration for it. And I felt that about Nick Wright before I had heard Danny. And the book is pipeline to the pros, which we'll get to. I'm not putting it off because it's really well written. And no, I'm not talking to you. I'm talking about my audience is probably saying, get the goddamn book, Cowherd, nobody cares about you.

nationally because it's germane to this conversation we're having. Okay, congratulations to Lebron for longevity, for spending a million dollars a year on your body and a wild night out being splitting a two thousand dollars bottle of red wine. Jordan was doing it.

one of them have this relentless genetic thing. And I've gone to college with guys they could drink all night long, no hangover. And Jordan, to me, is one of those athletes that is once in a lifetime that did not treat his body with a great deal of love and admiration. And just when I saw the MJ story and he before the Eastern Conference games with the Celtics, He's getting in eighteen holes in the sun, I'm like, that's my day. I'm having dinner at five I'm out.

lettuce in your shoes to keep it cool. He goes one time in Philadelphia, his cleat stuck to the turf and Johnny Bench had that gear on and would go three for four with two jacks. Game goes twelve innings and he is catching the fourth threads pitcher. People have no idea baseball players in the seventies to about eighty five it was one hundred and forty degree field in the Midwest.

now it really wasn't better. But there is an element of nostalgia to it and an amount of respect.

Because you're you love radio. I love radio, and I do think occasionally fans like to just hear how you and I think and talk about this crap. And you know, I'm thinking. One of the criticisms I've gotten through the years and even back to doing local is uh, well, Colin, you said this like six weeks ago, and I'm like,

there's new information. And I always say, you know, if a pilot came to you and said, folks, we got a lightning storm that's moved in, and he said, but I'm gonna fly right into it, there's there's no reason to deviate. I've got two hours ago there wasn't and I'm gonna fly into it. You'd be like, oh shit, I'm going to cancel my flight. So I didn't like Ryan Poles initially Vlus Jones. I watched them at USC

could not track the ball. I mean that, I literally text you GMS and I'm like, he doesn't know what he's doing. That that he can't play, he's a point that he can't play. So but I watched USC maybe more than Ryan Poles. And then there was the Chase Claypool, which I defended because of the body type, but Chase

ended up going sideways and not being very mature. And so my takeaway is I don't trust the ownership Ryan Poles, Matt Eberflus and then probably knowing he butchered Velis Jones and knowing that there are certain things about offense like line play, I think he's drafted it pretty well that he knows. He went and got DJ Moore, he went and got Keenan Allen and moved Mooney and I thought, oh, and then he brings in Gerald Everett and he's swift, who's a good he can catch the ball to the backfield,

and I'm like, oh, now a new information. I think Ryan Poles knows what he's doing. I think his last six move, I love the Monte sweat move. It got heat. But I'm like, folks, there's nobody in the second round as good as Montes.

cap space of any team in the league. But I am trying to be fair to Justin Fields, who is an eleven out of ten as a person, and I'd like to figure out if I have something here. I've

got to give him something. And he overtraded for the traits of Chase Claypool, and I think he undervalued the personal stuff because then when he learned the mistake from that and he trades for Montes Sweat, there were a lot of people saying, trade for Chase Young off, that defense line, more talented, better pedigree player, all of that stuff. But he loafs, he takes plays off. But in Montes Sweat, whatever he's got, he's given it to you. And so I think he that is a director because it's the

exact same trade. It's a second round pick for an established player that you're hoping to pay. They paid Montes Sweat, they obviously didn't pay Claypool. So I think also with anything learning, proving that you learn from your mistakes and that you don't double down, that's a sign of intelligence to me. So to me, like it's like, yeah, did

it start a little choppy, no question. But he also inherited one of the oldest teams in the league with a ton of bad contracts, a quarterback that someone else drafted, no first round pick in his first year, so his first draft picks are second round picks, both of whom, by the way, pretty good. Kyler Gordon and Jakwan Brisker, two guys who are starters in one of the best

young secondaries in football. Then when he gets a first round pick, a lot of us are saying, Jalen Carter, Jalen Carter, Jalen Carter, you need a three technique for this defense. He moves down from nine to ten, picks up an extra fourth round pick, drafts Darnell right right tackle to support the quarterback. He makes all rookie team, looks like he's going to be a starter at right tackle for ten years. And then the biggest thing by far, and the sweat one was big, and the Keenan Allen

was big. Is he trades the number one overall pick and picks the right team to trade to gets DJ Moore gets the second round pick, that is Tyreek Stevenson, another starter at cornerback who was really damn good last year. Gets the first round pick this year, which is going to be you know, Caleb Williams, a once in a generation quarterback prospect. He has their second round pick next year from Carolina and oh yeah, by the way, Dj Moore. So it's one of the great I mean, people will

reference the Herschel Walker trade. It is truly one of the great trades in my I NFL history. If Caleb Williams is everything that you and I in the vast majority of people think that he will be, They've got a very good cap situation. They've got very good players in their athletic prime. Jalen Johnson, Tremaine Edmunds, Montes Sweat, Cole Comet, Dj Moore. These guys are all twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven years old, under contract, good players

on rookie deals. Brisker, Gordon Tyreek, Stevenson, Darnell Right, Tevin Jenkins, who I hadn't mentioned. And now you're going to inject the ninth overall pick whoever he ends up taking, And there's a ton of great options, and Caleb Williams in a good quarterback on a rookie deal. The Bears should be set up under Ryan Poles for a really long runway of success here.

I perspect it. Uh. He's like for some real he's like sitting courtside next to handsome Matt Lefloor and I'm like, Oh, which is the more handsome NFL head coach? Is it Matt Floor? Is is it Matt Eberflues? Like he's carrying himself with a little swag. My problem with Eberflus, Yeah, A couple of assistant coaches, including his defensive coordinator who he brought over, Alan Williams, left in disgrace. I don't like hiring a defensive coach. I'm biased to offensive coaches

because it's just sustained success. I think it's the best way to foster an environment for a quarterback. My thing was when you hit the lottery of getting the number one overall pick for Caleb Williams. Are you really telling me that the best possible person to develop him is Matt Eberflus and Shane Waldron or would Jim Harbaugh have been better? Or would Ben Johnson have been better? Would Ben Johnson have taken this job instead of going back

to Detroit? Because I think this job would be really damn attractive if it was open and they got a pretty good offensive coaching staff, because it's an attractive job and you get to coach Caleb Williams, but you obviously were limiting your talent tool if you're only hiring for coordinator. So that was my issue with how Poles handled the coach. But he swears by him. He swears by the culture, he swears by the effort, and the team did play

hard and the defense did get better. Yes, did finish the season relatively strong, and they should be a top ten maybe top five defense next season. So there are reasons to keep him. And he's swaggy now, So that's two.

the same mistake, then you're wrong. She goes, you don't make the same mistake much, so you're right or you're learning. I'm like, God, I gotta steal that. The other one she said to me when we started dating about three years in, I was not a very good dad or something. I made a mistake and she goes, be a great example or a horrible warning. Kids learn from both. I'm like, we're going to do a book now this come on, You're just you're holding shit now over me. It's like

Joel Ostein meets Tony Robbins. Where's this stuff coming from?

You and I may have grown up baseball fans. We shifted to NFL fans and sports talk gambling topics because that's where the that's where the audience went. It is how comfortable I am comfortable with sports gambling. The distorted or the disturbance rates one percent. It's six percent for alcohol.

guys are both very mathy. Of course I would never give my money to Nick because of the black and tans or whatever he smokes. He gets a sidon miles. Yeah, he gets sideways very quickly.

there are differences, but it's all just a market. It's a market of expectations, and I find it actually really informative even for people who don't gamble, because they don't just come up with these things randomly sharp better set the lines. And there are formulas and Excel spreadsheets that predict, oh, this guy is gonna have is expected to have this number of yards That might be relevant for if you

play fantasy football or just who do you like? You know, there are practical implications to it that I do think are relevant even if you aren't putting four dollars, forty dollars or four thousand dollars on the game. And also, I mean, and this is back to the shop talk, it is supporting the industry. You know it For a while, it was beer, for a while, it was car dealerships. Now it is legalized gambling. And throughout history, prohibition doesn't work.

It didn't work with alcohol, it doesn't work with weed, it doesn't work with gambling. I'm not saying that nothing should be illegal, but there's something too. No speed limit on the autobah, you know, like, just in general, people are going to do what they are going to do, and it may as well be regulated and taxed and try to funnel that money into something productive. Are there going to be consequences of it along the way, for sure,

But that's why taxes on cigarettes are expensive. That's why if you walk into a dispensary here in Illinois and you want to buy a pre roll joint, it costs way more than it would if I got it from a dude in the you know, my next door neighbor. But I know what it's going to be, you know. So it's the type of thing like it's taxed, it's regulated, you know where the money goes. So no, I have no qualms about it. I've been vetting on sports since I was fifteen years old. I love it, and I'm

thrilled that all of my vices are now legal. It's great. Everything's coming up me.

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I got this idea. There's a story here. And we've been going to NBA games our entire life, and I didn't know anything about it, about all of these D three guys who had broken into the NBA former Division three players who made its way to being coaches or executives. And when he pitched me the idea, twelve of the thirty teams in the NBA, either their head coach or their top basketball decision maker had played D three basketball, And I'm like, that's insane, And I was drawn to

the disproportionate nature of that number. You think cleanest path at that job would be you play at Duke or you play in the NBA, whatever the case may be, right, And so that just instantly fascinated me. And the network side of it, like networking. You go to Harvard Medical School, there's a network of the alums. You go to Syracuse for broadcasting, there's a network of the alums. These guys all know each other and they're all helping each other,

and they're hiring their friends. And a few people got in and broke down the door and then they were like, hey, you know a guy, and they started hiring these people. And it has as the league has changed and it's gotten more smart and more analytical, these smart guys from these liberal arts colleges have taken it over. And I was just instantly drawn to like the management and the networking and how some of the lessons in the book I think are applicable to Hey, are you considering a

liberal arts education? Like it's a basketball book, But there's a lot of things that are really practically applicable to any walk of life, I would say. And then, just like one more personal anecdote, I didn't I almost didn't take the project on because at the time, my dad was dealing with dementia and my brother had been diagnosed with terminal brain cancer. And so you have those two things, you have a young son, and you have a pregnant wife with your second along the way, and I'm like,

I am spent. I cannot take on anything else. But we you and I think are maybe cut from the same cloth. Like I need more than one thing for my creative outlet. I need to be intellectually stimulated. And it's not that I'm not for my four hour a day radio show, but I've got my ten thousand hours in it. I know how to do this, And so I was like, you know, I would really regret it if I don't partner up with one of my best friends. And then his father ended up getting diagnosed with a

rare form of cancer and passing away. So from concept to publishing. We both lost our dads and I lost my brother, and so that's who the book is dedicated to. I'm donating a portion of each book sold to brain cancer research and non or my brother. But like it was a his passion project became our passion project. And he doesn't have a media profile, and it's obviously a niche subject matter. D three guys make it to the NBA.

So the book would have never been made if we didn't partner up together with my media profile and all that. So like it. We worked really hard on it for a couple of years, and uh, we're really proud of the final project.

don't suffer fools gladly. You get exhausted very quick with nonsense. Yes, when when when you you a project like this and you go through all this drama, and I mean, what was Nick's first react, because I know Nick read it. I know Nick so proud of you. What was his first reaction to it? Because Nick is so competitive and he loves you dearly. He probably thought, I've got to write a book.

I'm like, yeah, man, I don't know. I got a few other interests, like a few other things, like I keep surprising you. So I think that he's like, I figured, if you're writing a book, you're writing a book on gambling, you're writing a book on on media. You know, you're writing a book on something like that. So I think, like the research nature of it and the depth of the project. But again, like I have to credit my friend for bringing me the story, and so this is

a thing of opportunity. But yeah, him and I are always coming up with Nick and I are always coming up with like we should do this, We're going to do this together. And we've done a lot of those things, like you know what I mean, We've we've helped each other throughout our career. We always have big ideas. Sometimes our conversations end up like, oh, we're doing it again. We're spinning this thing forward seventeen permutations into the future,

you know. And so when I told him about this, he I think he wanted to know if I was going to tell him about it again or if it was just an idea in the moment. And then damn near three years later we got we got a book out of it. Well, because that's the thing, like we're both doing full time jobs. He has three kids, I have two kids. We've got all this personal track, like we were really doing this, and we knew we weren't

like competing. We don't have to be we don't have to worry about being first to market with a D three NBA. But no one else is on this corner give me so, Yeah, Danny.

playing the IVY League. They say, no, not good enough, We're not even going to let you try out for the team. Goes to Menlo, goes to Nazareth where his dad gets a job. They fire his dad out of loyalty. He ends up at Brockport, so four schools following his for the love of the game, and he is convinced that because short guy, white guy, nerdy guy comes out of Brockport ultimately that he will never get a shot

but brilliant dude. Through connections, through camps, grinds, grinds, grinds, works his way up and eventually is on pat Riley's staff with the Knicks, and Riley leaves he'd been there through a couple of different coaches. He's there, He's there for four years. He is named the interim head coach of the Knicks. He is the head coach of the Knicks, and the New York Daily News runs a column that lists back to gambling the odds on who the next full time head coach of the Knicks is going to be.

Larry Brown's the favorite, John Kliparis the next favorite. Lou Karnisseca at seventy one years old, is listed at five thousand to one. Red Holtzman, at seventy six years old, is listed as a one million to one to be the next head coach of the Knicks, and Jeff Van Gundy was given fifty million to one odds in the New York Daily News. Well, he is the current head coach of the Knicks to actually keep the job as

head coach of the Knicks, and he gets it. He perseveres and between him and his brother, who he hired and Jeff van Gundy, Rich and uh Tom Thibodeau and Steve Clifford and Andy Greer and all these other guys that he brought into the league. It's over a thousand wins between Jeff and Stan van Gundy, a couple of d three guys. Their name is now synonymous with the NBA. So these guys who are the best to do it were doubted when they literally already had the job one

more quick one. Greg Popovich maybe the best coach ever. He's a coach at Pomona. Just goes into the Hall of Fame. To April of ninety seven. He is just gotten a three year extension because he was the GM and the coach for a minute. In San Antonio. When the three year extension gets announced, the San Antonio newspaper does a survey of readers, what do you think of

the Greg Popovich extension? Ninety two percent of respondents said that Greg Popovitch should be fired in nineteen ninety seven when he was about to become the dynastic Greg Popovich. So these guys, they were overlooked for forever and just through intelligence and being good teachers and good networkers and hard workers, they rose their way up. I could never play in the NBA, I could never play in Major

in Wrigley Field or the NFL. But there's something too, like the work ethic and the intelligence and the networking that I was just drawn to the story. And I think we really covered it well.

you equipped to deal with it? Have you been equipped? How difficult? I mean, that's I can't. I mean, I get emotional not knowing your brother. I don't know how I wouldn't be equipped.

take anymore. It was just super stressed, money stress, pandemic stress, new baby stress, feeling over my dad's dementia diagnosis was it was, it was ugly Alzheimer's. It's a terrible, terrible, horrible disease. I was like, I honestly don't know that I can take any more. Three days later, my brother gets diagnosed with terminal brain cancer. You just learn that you can deal with more than you expect, and it hurts if you stay in bed, and it hurts if you get up, so you may as well get the

fuck up. Like that's what I've learned. If I've learned anything, I have cried, I've been in therapy. I have definitely not handled everything perfectly throughout this process, but I have learned that it hurts either way, so you may as well keep going because your world can change with a phone call tomorrow. So I don't know if that answers your question, but I would not have said that I

was equipped to handle it. And it still devastates me every day that my brother is in here, but somehow I'm still here and I'm doing what I'm doing well.

ago in Vegas that lost his wife. And so first of all, I thank you for sharing that, but it's you know, it goes back to a saying I it's kind of a cliche, but we've heard it before, as you just never know what people have gone through in a day. Just be nice to people. I know social media does not elevate the life experience. It deteriorates it. That's why I stay away.

didn't even know about. But it's like when you get a terminal diagnosis and then you're like grieving and you're like waiting for the actual person to die, and you think, like you have you you're dealing with anticipatory grief, Like you know eventually your dad's going to pass away, he has Alzheimer's. You know your brother's going to pass away, he's got terminal brain cancer. Uh, and then it happens and it's like, oh, it doesn't actually replace the real grief,

so you just deal with it. And because you have literally no other choice. But I don't know. Man, buy a book, I'll donate a portion of it to brain cancer research.

I think Felger and Mas and Boston have the ability to be in a in a very tribal town, incredibly honest and hated and adored simultaneously. It's a really good listen.

in Chicago. I think he's as good as local anchor as you're going to get in the country Chicago sports radio. To me, I love listening to it because it's just the perfect mix of tribal, smart insane. Oh yeah, if you have recently taken a rare you're a liked figure the voice, You're tolerant, you're bright, but you are a little bit you kind of moved into a space. As far as I can tell, you were not really a Justin's Fields guy. And the city was you know, of

course they're clinging to it working. How the Bears were clinging to it. They wanted to say, we'll get nine picks for Caleb Williams. Everybody wanted it to work. So what is it like now, probably for the first time in your career as being a villain for a few months.

the Bears. It's been He's likable, he's fun, he's exciting. He was voted the eighty sixth best player in the NFL coming off of the twenty twenty two season when they had the most dead cap space and no one else get on the team. People love Justin Fields, and the Bears did not try him well and it was not fair and they did not build around him. In the situation that Caleb was walking into is a thousand times, but life isn't fair. And I was like, listen, here's

the thing. I like hangarsteak, but I've got a chance for eight five wago and it's cheaper for some reason, for some reason, the wago is cheaper than the hangerstake. Like, I'm going to go for it every time. And so when I people were like I, because now everyone's pumped for Caleb. But I was just like, this is how it's going to end. And I told them how it was going to end before they were ready to hear

how it was going to end. And if I would have just had the take, people would have really disagreed. But for some reason, the fact that I spent one hundred and forty dollars on a jersey and like became a prop comic for a minute and like showed like I showed you how positive I was that this was how it was going to end. Buddy? Were people mean to me on the internet? Like, man, But so weird about the whole thing is that I'm gonna be right. Like I bet mitchter Bisky at two hunderd to one

to an MVP blew up in my face. I said there was a zero percent chance the White Sox we're gonna hire Tony LaRussa blew up in my face. Like I've been wrong plenty of times. We give twenty hours a week of opinions, You're gonna be wrong all the time. But man, did people hate this jersey? But now it's gonna be the number one selling jersey in the NFL for the next like five years. So I'm a I don't know if you knew this. I'm a fashion icon. I'm a trendsetter. I'm ahead of the curve. People are

dressing like me now, and I frankly love it. But yeah, did I have it on my board that the thing that would make me most hated is the thing that I have been the most right about. No, that I did not expect that to be my how my career is gone. But now people are being pretty nicecause they're prety excited about Kaleb Boyams.