Colin Cowherd Podcast - Bo Nix, Caleb Willams Shine In Preseason Debut, Aiyuk Holdout Drama, Sirianni Losing The Locker Room? - podcast episode cover

Colin Cowherd Podcast - Bo Nix, Caleb Willams Shine In Preseason Debut, Aiyuk Holdout Drama, Sirianni Losing The Locker Room?

Aug 12, 20241 hr 2 min
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Colin is joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to talk NFL preseason!

They start with an eye-popping debut from Bo Nix for the Denver Broncos and declare him ready to start in week 1 (6:00). Then, they break down the debut for J.J. McCarthy for the Minnesota Vikings an debate when he should take over the starting job from Sam Darnold (14:00).

Next, the dive into the first start for Caleb Williams with the Bears where he flashed his incredible physical tools (26:00), and make predictions for Jayden Daniels for the newly retooled Washington Commanders (35:00).

 Then, they parse the contract drama that’s been brewing between the 49ers and star WR Brandon Aiyuk after a trade failed to materialize, and debate what the path forward is from here (47:00).

Finally, they discuss the potential hot-seat situation for Philadelphia Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni and whether the Eagles coordinators will be able to overcome Sirianni’s lack of prowess with the X’s and O’s (59:00), and why Mike McCarthy has been underrated as a head coach (01:02:00).

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Speaker 1

The volume.

Speaker 2

All right, John Middlecoff, We're gonna have a good one today. Don't go anywhere. We're gonna have a really good one over an hour today. I hope uh Bo Nix, Michael Pennix, JJ McCarthy, stuff on the Niners. We are gonna be packed today. Some rumors about Philadelphia and Nick Sirianni Jalen hurts.

Speaker 1

This is gonna be a great hour.

Speaker 2

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Speaker 1

All right, We're.

Speaker 2

Ready to go. John Middlcoff three in out former NFL scout. There are no normal flights in America anymore. There are no normal flights. I don't do private. I want to be I tell my wife all the time. I'm one of the people up until the people arrive, man of the people. So I go on these just like everybody else. Last six flights, something happens, something unravels. Lady next to me, older lady, little eccentric things. She went to the bathroom nine times. At one point she was at the window.

I was in the aisle, John, I said to her, would you like to sit in the outside seat? You know, see if she and she said no. And what I wanted to say was I meant outside of the plane, like on the wing. You want to sit out there? Because I literally my meal? Nope, get up, movie get up after about the ninth time, and we're about an hour out. I just kind of looked at her for a second and I thought, you know, what am I gonna do? What am I going to say?

Speaker 1

You know, I try to be I always want something crazy to happen on my plane flights. All these viral things of madness, it never really happens. I haven't really had many bad or weird interactions yet on the Internet and your story I hear and see about them all the time. I kind of want that to happen on one of my flights, maybe not next to me, but just somewhere in the vicinity, because it seems like these

you're stuck. I mean Chicago to LA and that's not a that's not Sacramento to you know, Scots say, that's a long flight, right, what is it? Three and a half four hours?

Speaker 2

Yeah, and I've moved. You know, if somebody comes up to me, unless you know, they want me to move, like you know in Roll thirty eight, if somebody comes up and says, hey, my wife's sitting here, like I'm always like, yeah, go ahead, do whatever you want to do. I go online, I don't care. I watch a movie Netflix, I don't care. You know, people have different stuff. But today I'm just like, come on, man, give.

Speaker 1

Me a break. Just like, drink too much water or something.

Speaker 2

She was drinking a lot of water, and you know, it could have been people have what they have. It could have been a you know, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on right now in America. True, I'm not going to guess. So my first take was of all the young quarterbacks, bow Nicks look exactly like I thought bo Nix was going to look like. And the Broncos quarterback out of Auburn and Oregon because he had so many college starts, you kind of know what he is and what I think.

Speaker 1

I mean.

Speaker 2

I think the Drew Brees comp because of Sean Payton feels kind of accurate. He's certainly right now more mobile than Drew Brees was at the end of his career. But my take on bow Nicks was, that's exactly what Sean had texted me. That's exactly what I saw in college. No big surprises. You're a former scout, what'd you see?

Speaker 1

Yeah? I think him and Michael Pennix are two guys that played in college football for felt ten years and they played each other. It felt like what four or five times over the last eighteen months in massive games, and starting with bow knicks, he got dinged a lot because of the offense he played in right through it. Yeah,

parallel to the line of scrimmage all the time. It used to happen forever with the leech offensive guys, the spread offense, you know, Hawaii, Mike Leach, wherever he was then Oklahoma started, you didn't need a big arm quarterback. Watching him in college going, I think his arm's a little bit better than the way he's getting I would say, kind of pigeonholed as a player, and you watch him today, I don't want to say he's you know, he's not Brett Favor Josh Allen, but his arm strength is well

above average in the NFL. And that touchdown pass he had was in and out of his hands in the corner of the end zone, hitting the guy accurately at the front of the pylon. It doesn't get any better than that, the velocity, the accuracy, how quick it is.

And then obviously you see again Patrick Willis isn't exactly chasing him, but clearly his athleticism moving around translates and and he's confident like that was the thing with Trey Lance when the Niners got him his athleticism, he wasn't confident in it because he had never been chased by the caliber of player. Bo Nicks has been playing the best of the best, like I said, for ten years

in college and athleticism movement wise. Clearly what Sean Payton wanted to do and this didn't work out because he's not a quarterback, was a guy like Taysom Hill who could move around and throw. You know, Drew Brew he was stagnant in the pocket. Now he's great at it. But the modern day football, you have to be able to move to throw. I don't need you to be Lamar Jackson, but you've got to be able to keep plays alive. You notice all these rookie quarterbacks. They're all athletic,

and they all can throw on the move. And bo Nicks clearly can. And I know, Sean kind of old school not naming the starter had him down. This thing's over, Okay, I don't even know who the Broncos play week one. He's your starting quarterback week one. You agree with that, and this thing will play itself out you know, I think you want to make him earn it. Sean is not one of these new age thirty eight year old

offensive coordinators. Yeah, but this thing played itself out today in front of everyone's eyes, like there's no point putting. It'd be one thing if they had Peyton Manning or something. This Jared stid them like this, this thing's.

Speaker 2

A rand, come on well. And the other thing, he looked more comfortable in the pocket one of his backups, Zach Wilson did in any game in New York. His feet were great, he was set. That's a lot of it's just college starts. And the other thing. He played in the SEC. So that's the best defensive conference easily. And then when he went to the Pac twelve, that's probably the best the Pac twelve has been in my lifetime. I mean, Washington was good, Oregon was good, Utah and thump.

Oregon State was good. USC could score, Arizona won seven in a row and beat Oklahoma in a bowl game. The conference was really.

Speaker 1

Ucla was good on defense these last couple of years. They had a top fifteen pass rusher.

Speaker 2

So I bow Nick's you know, you say, oh, we went to the Pac twelve. No this pac twelve. Arizona the basketball school reeled off seven straight and beat Oklahoma in a bowl game. It was a real Oregon State was really good at the end of the year. It's like, guys, this and you know the utter thing about bowl When I watched him twice. I saw him play Washington Oregon in person. I saw him at the forty end zone. And then I went two weeks later, I think it was or whatever it was, I went to the Utah

game and I got like second row seats. I called the buddy. I got right down the field, right behind the Oregon bench because I wanted to watch he and Penix. And he's more cut than you think he's. He he's ripped and he is really verbal on the sideline dad A's a coach. And then I met him in person for about an hour forty five minute interview, forty minute interview before and after the show. I was just blown

away by him. And then I got a couple early texts from Sean Payton and I was like, this kid's really working. And the other thing about him is there is something to be said about seeing the field. We've always said this was Zach Wilson and Justin fields. They just don't see it. It just takes a beat too long. Bo sees the field. And some of this is not only did he play at two schools. I believe he had five different coordinators in five years. It could be four,

but I think it's five. So John, this kid has had to pick up. We've never seen this kid have the same system back to back here.

Speaker 1

Well, think about this, Colin, and we've talked about this many times. All the best quarterbacks right now in the NFL have struggled at points in time early in their career. A lot of them in college. Mahomes is on a team getting their ass kicked by any good team. Right did not have any Josh Allen Baked schools like Fresno State first scholarship, they said no thanks. Lamar got drafted thirty second in a draft that had a bunch of quarterbacks.

His own team drafted another player before they drafted him. Justin Herbert was kind of an afterthought after Joe Burrow into a Tongua Bay Lowe. So you look at this class. Bo Knicks got beat up bad when he was in the SEC and had to transfer, and clearly it changed his career, right, So you see a lot of these guys.

You know, Caleb is one guy that had a lot of success, But I think this class is full of guys that had to struggle, and he, to me, is at the top of the Him and Penix, I mean had to transfer, were not viewed as first round picks by any means at the time they transferred and really had to earn it. And both those two guys, I mean, bo was awesome. I mean in college, obviously statistically he was incredible. Now it's a little inflated the way people play.

It's why that any coach will tell you, Okay, he throws a bunch, you know, parallel to the line of scrimmage. When I evaluate him, we don't want those passes. I think Sean said that I cut those out and we evaluate everything past the line of scrimmage, the timing, the rhythm, the accuracy. Yeah, I mean I was pretty blown away. I mean I was bullish on him just because of his coach, but his physical skills. That's the other thing. Him and Caleb Bright aren't super tall, and it stands

out when you see him. They're not six four sixty five. Both of them are thick. Both of them are built. Russell, who's shorter than those guys, had that same thing early on. You're like, well, he looks like an NFL guy physically. Kyler, who's even shorter in that also built, and that matters. And that's like watching Jayden, very physically gifted, throws a beautiful ball, but god, he's skinny. And bo Nicks has this innate ability because he's been a runner his whole

life and he played in the SEC. He's not playing heroball. Get out of bounds, get down like I'm getting. Caleb yesterday had a great slide, like you can't be running around JJ McCarthy yesterday had a run. There were two defenders. He kind of lowered his shoulders, like you can't do this. And I understand John Lynch and Steve Atwater the game has changed, but that's the only time when these defenders. They can't hit you all preseason because the starters don't

play joint practices. There's no tackling the regular season game for seventeen of them. When you cross that line of scrimmage and you're erect, they're coming at you. And I know these guys are a little smaller They've never been faster. So these linebackers now, they don't wait two sixty, they weigh two twenty eight or two thirty four. They're running four four fours and they will destroy that. They'll break your collarbone, they'll break your leg.

Speaker 2

So well, that's what happened to Baker Mayfield that when he got his collarbone broken, he tried to size up a safety. I think it was kar Ran over him.

Speaker 1

Can't do it. I remember early on in Derek Carr's career he tried to stiff arm pac Man Jones. Luck he didn't break his hand. He hurt his thumb. You cannot these guys. And I think bo Nick's very unique situation when you say to go to a coach like this with the experience he has. But to me, the physical skills were got. I guess I didn't quite realize how strong his arm was. It jumped off the TV this morning.

Speaker 2

So the other guy you mentioned, JJ McCarthy, you know he So you were a little surprised by bo Nix's arm strength. JJ. I always thought he moved. I thought he was a little quicker when I watched him this weekend. Then I thought he was in college, not that I didn't think he was athletic. He threw a pick, it's it's sideline, it's you know, it's Jack Jones, good player for the Raiders, quick kid, All American underachieved in his college career. But he's actually super talented.

Speaker 1

He gets in trouble, but he can pay.

Speaker 2

Yeah, he can really play. So there's no big with that, big deal with that. But I thought, I mean, Darnold will start, But I thought, Jj. You know what I noticed with JJ McCarthy. He looked super confident. He just felt like because I kept wondering, like, you know, he kind of was a handoff guy for a lot of the big games at Michigan. He made one or two big throws every game. He came out with a ton of confidence. And this goes to something I think we

both said before the draft. Whoever Minnesota drafted a quarterback had, after maybe Caleb, the greatest chance to succeed. We all know situational football matters. I mean, if you get a McVeigh, a Peyton, that matters. When I watched him play that, I watched the young quarterback who had had an offensive coach, the tall Sean McVay. Kevin O'Connell in his ear. He looked like he played with more confidence in kind of uh bravado with the Vikings. They didn't Michigan, Michigan. He

was a little tempered. It was almost like, hey, if we just don't turn it over, we're beating everybody. He was making plays, he was moving around for the Vikings.

Speaker 1

One thing I really try to watch. I mean, the preseason games in the second half can be unwatchable. Luckily, this group of quarterbacks, there's like six of them, Like you just like, I want to see what these top twelve quarterbacks look like. Yeah, he stepped up in the pocket and was very calm, which was like that that is a trait that every team looks for always. There was one pass that he completed over the middle where a defender was basically unblocked and took him out and

he didn't hesitate and listen. Michigan was built. I think they had, I mean five of their offensive lineman got drafted for sure, it might have been six. Obviously, Jim Harbaugh wants to run the ball. That's gonna what he's gonna do. He's gonna ask his quarterback, especially in college, a little something different Andrew luck was not asked to do what he did in college in the pros, right, he started throwing it all over the place. To me, he loved that kid though, And Jim Harbaugh doesn't love

you if you're not a tough guy. So to me, like Jim Miller's his toughness and that was on full display. But like you said, the movement, the accuracy, to me, the pocket presence, I think, what's tough. And I'm root for Sam Darnold too, but if i'm When they drafted Patrick Mahomes, Alex had some equity with the fans and the franchise, right. He helped Andy resurrect the team. They

were going to the playoffs. He had been solid. Obviously they needed better, but like I think, when you have a bridge quarterback in a situation like this, it better start fast because fans are gonna be like, what are we waiting for? Like by Jefferson, I would imagine Addison get suspended a couple of games, but whenever he's back, you got an offensive head coach. I mean, we got a star tackle. Like, let's just let's just get this thing going. I mean, and I preseason is different than

regular season. The game plan. I get it, but like his physical skills where he's coming from, Like you said, his confidence is barbado and is his pocket work. That's usually something like, hey, we gotta calm this guy down. He's he's jittery. It happens to a lot of backups when starters get hurt, right in the regular season, Like, this guy's overwhelmed. It didn't seem like he's scared. Think of the defense this kid's been going up against for

two years. It's an NFL defense, NFL coordinator, right, So he's he's comfortable the bright lights, everything, you know, that Hardbob rings, Like this guy's been at you know, like Alabama Georgia level for these last couple of years. Just what he's feeling on an everyday basis and practice in the NFL is hard. So I think this guy's he just looked comfortable, which to me, I allways projet project project. This guy didn't really look a huge project to me.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean I thought Donald would be much more, not much more, but more athletic than JJ McCarthy, a little bigger than JJ. He's a thicker kid, but I thought JJ look he looked like Sam Darnald, he looked a little quicker.

Speaker 1

Are you better off? Though? Like, I don't think Minnesota is a playoff team, so are you better off? I'm a big believer you learn through experience, you learn by doing. That's what we say at Harvard or the West cal Pauly. But I do think it's true the more you do something, the more comfortable you get at it. I don't care if it's radio, podcast sales or playing quarterback. You can

only gain so much sitting behind a guy. And if Sam Darnald the leash, it's a one year deal, it's not like It's not like the Kirk Cousins Pennock situation, so you you already know the outcome in the future. I think there's a weird spot because obviously a coach, this is the NFL. Everyone's trying to win this. No one tanks early, maybe in December. But I wonder if they have second thoughts. Obviously I think, say, I'm gonna

get the start immediately. But if it's a little rocky, don't you want to get this guy a lot of experience, especially he knows the plays. He looks comfortable like these reps will only help him the next couple of years when you try to build around his rookie contract. So I'm a Sam I'm I've always rooted for Sam Donald, like you have a soft spot for him. But like if I was a Vikings fan, I'd be like, what the hell are we waiting for?

Speaker 2

Well, it's it's listen. I'm in good company. Kyle Shanahan likes Donald, Kevin O'Connell likes.

Speaker 1

Donald.

Speaker 2

I think, yeah, I kind of feel like Sam's in the class of do is he the best backup in the league now? Really seriously, Like that's a that's like a real thing, like you're gonna play. I think my take would be, you give it to Sam for a couple of weeks, but once you go to JJ, there's no going back. So I think Kevin will probably say I was thinking as I watched him, Kevin's probably thinking, Wow, they're closer than I thought. But but I get it. Some of it could be health, Like your takeaway is

what are the matchups? What's the health of the old line. But my thing, you're not going to go back if you start JJ, So I think you just kind of look, I think it's much closer than I thought going in but and if last year, what's ironic is last year they had to make a trade for Josh Dobbs. They may have two guys that can play right now. And I think Jason McIntyre said this the editor he picked

up for the playoffs. I said this, if they finished fourth, that is the best fourth place team in a decade in the league. That team's got dudes offensively everywhere. That's a good offense.

Speaker 1

I think it would be pretty if they made the playoffs. That'd be an increased I mean, it'd be one of the better coaching jobs in recent memory. Given the division. I mean, the Lions are stacked, right did you see the touchdown past Jordan Love look like he has missed a bag. Yeah, last year, that team's going to be good. And let's face it, Caleb is such an upgrade from what they had. And they were a seven eight ish win team last year, So you go, they're going to

be better this year that that division. Like you said, you could finish fourth, win six games and be like, we're better than every team that's kind of in our range by a wide margin.

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So I want to talk about Caleb Williams of the Bears. So Jordan Palmer was on my show I think it was Thursday, and I thought he made a really good point. I said, you know my criticism if I have one of Caleb, he can be a little erratic. I talked to two gms in the league about Caleb. They didn't need him, they have quarterbacks, and they both said he can be a little erratic. You know, sometimes he gets

a bit sloppy. Mahomes does, or did early in his career. Mechanically, you know, Patrick's running around, he just gets a little backyard football lee. And both the gms I talked to with Caleb said he just he just has to get more in rhythm, which he said, I think in the pros he won't run around as much. He's a smart kid. He'll figure out I don't want to get hit. The second thing is sometimes he's a little bit of a playmaker,

a little bit of an ad libber. But Jordan Palmer said, listen, he got bored with college.

Speaker 1

He was the.

Speaker 2

Heisman winner right his first year at USC, and then USC can't stop anybody his second year and he's like, okay and terrible, and he's like, we're not a national championship team. And Jordan said, when I watched him, I saw a guy that was bored out of his mind. And I think there's a lot of truth to that. So when you get bored, you lose focus. When you lose focus in any job, you get a little sloppy.

I thought Caleb was a little sloppy last year. And I think sometimes Lincoln Riley, because of the offensive line, really struggled with what to call. And I heard that inside the program. It's like Lincoln just didn't trust the protection. So he's like, I'm not getting Caleb Williams hurt. I'm not getting it, you know, cause Caleb was. He came all the way out to USC first year, got pretty good protection, wins the highest. But I think Lincoln feels like you know what it's worth it. This is gonna

be great by the second year. Halfway through it, I think Lincoln, what I was told is Lincoln just there's things Lincoln wouldn't call. He didn't want to get him hurt. And so I think go back to the previous year. That's the Caleb Williams you're going to see in Chicago, which is focused runs the play, can ad lib if he has to. But Jordan's whole point was don't judge too much. In the last five or six USC games, team was terrible. He was bored ad libing a little

bit more than he probably would in real life. So what's your thought on that?

Speaker 1

Yeah, I mean I think if you go and watch every play that he had in that preseason game, he showed every tool in the toolbox. I mean, my mother could see that play that he made roll into his right that he threw to Comet. That's as good as it gets. I mean, that's Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes. But the play that he made, the little dump off to Swift. I don't think we talk enough about instincts as a quarterback. Some guys have them and some guys don't, and that

means feel in the pocket. That means to know when it's not going to go well and I got rid of the ball immediately, or when I can keep a play alive. And I think the new trait that every team looks for is the scramble to throw and keep plays alive. But to scramble to throw, you need a good arm. It's what Aaron Rodgers built a Hall of Fame career on. He could throw outside the tackle box

ropes accurately. And that's what Caleb Williams can do in spades, because let's face it, all these teams in the NFL now multiple most teams have multiple sweet pass rushers. There aren't as many good offensive linemen in the league anymore, so you've got to be able to move. And he's accurate in the arm. Strength is just elite. Like you said, he's gonna have a little hero ball, But how could you not have hero ball if that's the skill that

he has. I mean, Patrick Mahomes, he had to get older and realize that we can play a little different, but early on, like I want him to bring that to the table because he's accurate throwing the ball downfield. If he has to move now there's a difference of something was open, you didn't need to do that, but like nothing was there, your guard gets smoked. You gotta move. But he made he did it all. He threw a sweet play I think on like the second or third

pass of the game from the pocket. He had the crazy instinctive play to swift. He had the play on the move. The other thing and they I don't know if you saw hard knocks yet, but they kind of did this silly thing where they brought it a slip and slide to teach the quarterbacks how to slide. I'm sorry that they were joking about it, but also kind

of serious. It's important. His right arm is the franchise and he had a scramble where he slid, and he's gonna have I would say, depending on the game, anywhere from two to five could be second, and eight could be third and eight. He can scramble for ten yards and pick up a first down. But when you scramble and you're not by the sideline, you gotta fucking hit the ground and you gotta slide because they can't touch you,

and the defenders know it when you stay up. And JJ McCarthy did in the game, and a lot of quarterbacks do it. You're gonna get clipped and you're gonna get clipped hard. So if you're doing that, he can stay healthy because he can avoid well. His short area of quickness is just elite and then the army. He doesn't need much space to get that thing off.

Speaker 2

Oh no, very mahomes like cognitively see get rid of it fast. It's very Marino at USC he sees it. It's out fast. The other thing is Kyler and Russell Wilson were all was great sliders because they were baseball players. Yeah, they were great. Lamar was terrible his first two years.

Speaker 1

I mean he still kind of plops. He's not natural at it.

Speaker 2

He kind of jumps and sits but he can't say.

Speaker 1

But he learned how to avoid the hits. He can just get down, that's right.

Speaker 2

So I think some of that is Caleb is it is. I mean, Russell Wilson and Kyler were just like, Okay, they've slid in a second a lot. This is obviously the way they do it. It was terrible his first two years. Like, dude, you're six ' five. You can't go straight on an outside linebacker. I mean he'd goes shoulder high and a guy Josh Allen, So I think, yeah, so, I mean, and the other thing with Caleb, And by

the way, this was Jordan Love. Jordan Love had a better year the year before he came out, and then he lost a coordinator. Remember that he lost the coordinator, he lost a coach, he lost people. He was not very good as awful. So the Packers went to the previous year video and went, yeah, that's that's who he is. And so you take the best of what you saw because obviously, if you lose a coach at Utah State, you may get If you have three coordinators at Utah State,

two may stink, one may be okay. So when he had his best coaches, Green Bay looks at that and goes, Okay, that's what he can be because our coaches are great offensively. So I think with Caleb, you go back a year and go when the old line was healthy. He'd come over. And Lincoln was not afraid. Remember that year if they beat Tulane, they went twelve games. They were really really smoking that year. The second year, I think just I mean, I was told this, Lincoln just he didn't.

Speaker 1

He didn't.

Speaker 2

It was a different play calling year, a different sensibility with Kleb, and it was he just wanted to make sure he didn't get hurt.

Speaker 1

I think a lot of people in one talking point in football always is his arm strength a little overrated? And then you watch Caleb play, and you watch Mahomes, and you watch Josh Allen or Herbert and you just go bs, it's just not now. Greg Maddox is one of the greatest pitchers of all time. He did not throw that hard, but most of the other greats, Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, Pedro was blowing ninety seven. You kind of

gotta throw hard. And you know, Perty can get away with it a little bit because his offensive scheme is so great and he's a good athlete. He can scramble. But Peyton Manning's one of the most accurate players in the history of the sport. Arm strength match yes, and it always has and it always will. And you see these plays and you only see it even more once the regular season starts. All these former quarterbacks talk about the the kind of space in college relative to the NFL,

of what's open. Things happen quick. A lot of things get screwed up, and you got to add lib and that even puts more pressure on your arm. It ultimately can be the downfall of some of these guys that can't scramble and don't have a great arm, like Cousins and Golf are good examples. When it's perfect, they can destroy you. They can have four or five touchdowns on you. But if you can throw them off, they can't move, and then they can't throw very hard on the move.

So it's a major problem. You watch, you watch the modern day football the modern day football player who's having a lot of success in the NBA. What is it? You gotta shoot threes? You better be able to scramble and throw ropes because these all these young coaches want to get you on the move. And even when they're not getting you on the move, because more than likely you're gonna have two or three offensive linemen that they would gladly replace if they could, you're gonna be running

for your life. And a lot of these the good ones keep their eyes up, scramble and throw in Caleb. It's like geez it was to get up on Saturday more and watch in the bill. I mean file score was like thirty three to six. The Bills clearly didn't even care. But just to watch his physical attribute, You're like, wow, this in an NFL you and they were a DJ Moore out there. They command, they were trying, you know, they wanted to get this yes, confidence, yeah smart.

Speaker 2

So Jaden Daniels is a really interesting player to me. He is skinny. It's not quite the Bryce Young where he looks like, honestly, the helmet's too big for him. It's not that, but he doesn't have the neck, the shoulders, he didn't have the width. So I mean that that's kind of the reality of it. He looked. I remember watching him at Arizona State under her metwards and I'm like, he may wait won seventy, Like it just didn't look right. And then it looks like he's up to whatever it is,

to something. There's a little lamar, he's real quick. There's a little Jordan Love where he lets it fly. I said this the other day. What I like about Washington. Everybody's new, I mean, owner, GM, coach, coordinator, players. It's almost like you're part of a huge recruiting class. Like the new coach comes in, the new Lincoln Riley comes in.

It's all his guys, right, but he brings in the transfers, the recruiting class, and I feel like with Jayden, you know, nobody's got seniority, nobody's you know, there's nobody that's resentful of the new guys. That every single person in the building is new. That matters. And I think that's important for young quarterbacks because I think sometimes what happens is a GM inherits a quarterback and is really not rooting for him, Sean Payton and Harrets Russell Wilson, you know,

he's just looking for reasons to move on. So what this tells me is John and you know this is a scout. Jaden's going to get a full two years of snaps. They're not bailing on it. They want this to work.

Speaker 1

Everybody in the.

Speaker 2

Building was like, let's get it, dan Quinn, you know you only get to miss on one quarterback. Cliff Kingsbury. He's trying to rest his right now, his resume. You know, people are like a kid coach, He's not hey, he wants a second chance at this thing. If Jayden goes Rookie of the Year, people are gonna give Kingsbury a

lot of credit, a lot of kudos. So my take is on Jaden, it's not one of these where half the people in the building they're almost like, you know, justin Fields, he kind of felt like half the guys in the building just weren't into it. He didn't do himself favors. But I think Jaden's gonna get two straight years, no judgment. I think it's gonna work. I don't know to what I feel like it's gonna work.

Speaker 1

Well. I would say the hype train on this has been coming full steam ahead since training camp started. You know, Caleb Williams the headliner. If this was a concert, it'd be like Caleb Williams the headliner, and this is the act that comes on before the headliner. But by the end of that concert, that person is a star and they're gonna be a headliner next year. That's how it's felt.

I mean, they just joint practice against the Jets, and Sauce Gardner says, I went up to him and told him, Holy, you're gonna be a player, And defenders don't just say that because they're trying to be friendly. Like he's trbably getting watching this guy pass. He throws Colin a beautiful deepst I mean, remember Russell Wilson early on. It's like his deep ball. That's gonna work. You just throw some go routes every single you know, couple a quarter or something.

Push the ball down the field. His accuracy hits it, and he's a really, really good athlete. My question will be one the running around. He's never been a slide guy, and he's thin. He will get hit. You've got to learn how to do that because he's gonna They're gonna run him. He had a touchdown yesterday. He just ran him in. Now he walked into the end zone. But

they're gonna use these plays like Sean did with bow Nicks. Yes, you're gonna scheme up run plays and then just can he just pick you apart against a schemed good defense. When you're playing the Cowboys, when you're playing the Eagles, when you're playing the Giants, they all have good defensive lineman. They're coming at you, and he really you know, in college he had Malik Naghbors, who I mean, I think could be an NFL star. The other guy was drafting

the top twenty five. I mean, yeah, so's he's used to playing with stars. Terry Mclaurin's good. But this is it's not just gonna be easy all the time. So I think he's gonna have some ups and downs. But even Zach Kertz said earlier this training camp, stop saying he's gonna be a good player. He's good now this. I don't think they're just blowing smoke. I think all these people see him. They see he's accurate. The deep ball's awesome, and he can move. You're like, there're is so much here?

Speaker 2

Well well, and Brian Kelly said this, and this is what Cliff Kingsbury has said. He installs something the next day nails it. Ye, So you know one of the if you look at some of these guys that miss, they just don't do the homework. I mean, Johnny Manzel admits it. He just didn't do the homework. Like so athletic ability, I always believe buys you two years in the pocket, where if you're figuring out the defense, you're

not not up to speed. Everything's too fast. You're gonna run, you're gonna move the chains, you're gonna your feet, are gonna get your first downs. You're not gonna be great, but it'll buy you stuff. Jared Goff didn't get that his first year, right, like you either figure out. You either figure out or you're in big trouble. They had to get him Andrew Whitworth and say we got to build a pocket here. So and the Washington's offensive line is not very good. It's not Giants bad, but it's

not very good. So the truth is he'll he has the advantage that for two years he's gonna move around a lot and he's gonna buy some first downs. Kyler did this. That was a shitty old line he inherited. And it's like he kind of figured out how to move the chains. Seven eight play drives because nine to ten play drives, So I think. And the other thing is it does matter to me every time I hear him talk totally focused on football. It's like when Dak

broke into the league. I didn't love the way through. Every time he talked, he said the right stuff. Every time they interviewed Jake Jordan loved did this last year even when he was struggling. Every time they asked him, He's like, I'm going to get there.

Speaker 1

This is ugly.

Speaker 2

It's on me. John, I'm judgmental on that stuff. When you well, how do you respond to criticism Jordan loved last year. In September, he was still fantastic with those questions.

Speaker 1

I think is full of those guys right now. I mean, look at this class, when you just watch these guys conduct themselves, when you feel when you think about the hype, I mean, for a lot of my life, I felt like half a class, you know, with a bunch of high bunch of cockey guys, a bunch of guys walking in, turning veterans off. It feels like the NFL as a whole. I mean, think about the top quarterbacks, the way they conduct themselves, the way they act, the way they handle

themselves in press conferences. It's almost like they're numb to it all. They're completely unfazed. And maybe it gets back to how popular college football is now, how they've been under the spotlight even as a recruit. But you watch you know, Jayden played at LSU. I remember I had

a buddy that still works in the league. Tell me he was He was a GM for a little bit, and he said he walked in like on the first preseason game, and some of his rookies were like almost throwing up, they were so nervous, and he went over to one and the guy had played like Auburn or Georgia. He's like, for the last three years you have played in half your games were infinitely more important and had more people watching and had more pressure than this game

you're about to go play in just relaxed. And I think you watch a lot of these guys like, yep, I played Auburn Alabama game for three straight years, or I played against you know, I played against Ohio State every year when twenty five million people were watching, and it felt like they were in the big leagues. And I wonder if a lot of these guys benefit with the college football has always been big, but it really felt big, especially from the quarterback standpoint, these last couple

of years. And these guys are walking in pretty seamlessly. You know, well, it's a pretty easy transition so far for the crew.

Speaker 2

Well yeah, I mean bow Nicks and Pennix. Those guys played all their games were sold out national TV. So usually a PAC twelve quarterback comes out. He played in some Arizona stadiums, but bow Nicks and Pennix every time they met Husky Stadium or Eugene How's national television. Those were high stakes, high pressure game. SEC games are all bit especially at LSU.

Speaker 1

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Speaker 2

I want to talk about San Francisco, the forty nine Ers. So I think I told you. I was told by a player I trust two weeks ago I was going to be a Niner. He's a I wouldn't say, I don't know what the word is. He's young, he's a kid, he's emotional, he's a receiver. And so he had told a friend of mine, I'm getting this thing done. Then something went sideways. He got pissed off, the Niners got pissed off at his So my take was my source was probably right. I got pissed off, the Niners got upset,

and it just blew up. Now it appears they've circled back. Is that what you're hearing?

Speaker 1

I think the Niners drew a line in the sand, said you want to dance, let's dance. They had two trades ready to go, with contracts ready for him, and he got cold feet slash. I don't want to play there, which I guess is his prerogative. But it's like, you demand to trade thirty one. Teams can't trade for you. We have to get fair value. The Amari Cooper in a second round pick. That's a good deal. Amari Cooper's pretty productive player. The Niners like, you go to Cleveland.

They have twenty eight million dollars. And then he says no. So to me, it feels like a guy who's gotten a little over his skis. He does he really want to leave San Francisco. Of course, not because you're a star with the Niners. And he's a West Coast guy, grew up in Reno when high school in Sack, played at Arizona State, has become a well known name. But got so emotional by this number. And let's face it,

the Niners drive a hard bargain. They had a number and they didn't flinch because also, you're not a free agent. We don't have to trade you anywhere. I want to go to the Steelers well, yeah, they could get In theory, I guess they could give you our their first round pick, But what good does that do us Week one against the Jets. That's that's that's a player that does not exist for another eight months. First round picks or having two of them are incredible in February, March, and April.

They do good teams, no good during the season. That's why, ideally you make that trade before the combine. Well guess what the Niners probably tried. No one was offering that at the time. Why great wide receiver draft? Why am I going to trade you my first round pick? When I get a wide receiver is going to start at a number. Instead of paying a guy twenty eight million, I get the ideally or in the perfect world, the similar player for four right, just basic economics, And I

think he overplayed his hand. And the Niners are like, listen, we had these deals, they were the ones we'd accept. Those are the teams. Everyone knows you're on the block. No one else is coling, no one else has the money. You want to go to the Steelers, they have nothing to give us back. This has to be it takes two to tango here. There's two sides, and we don't want their draft picks. They're not giving us TJ. Watt, so that ain't happening. Here's our number. What are you

gonna do? Not play? We want to give you a contract. No One feels bad for him, and he's emotional. I can't imagine being twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, have this money, like the number that you think you're His value on their team is a lot different than some of these guys making twenty nine dollars. They don't play like that, and I just think they're kind of at a crossroads. But he does. I guess he has the leverage,

just not practice. He can demand a trade all he wants, but if John and Kyle don't want to trade him, he's not getting traded. Ideally, I think they want to avoid this, right, They don't want this, but they're not just gonna give them away because that's the easy thing to do. So he's kind of stuck, and it's they're pissed off. I know that obviously he's he's well established that he's mad. They're mad. And this is kind of a joke now because at the end of the day,

Bosa was gonna kind of get over on him. He had all the leverage, he's the best player, he was going to get a ton. They go, listen, you're really good, but DJ Moore has been a lot better than you. For six years playing with Coward and middle Cooff as his quarterback, You've had productive quarterbacks and you're never going to catch more Navy balls here. So the ROI and R investment, if we give you thirty million dollars is

kind of a doesn't make a lot of sense. And that's where I think they're kind of stuck looking at each other. I still believe he's going to end up on the Niners, but I think he might be a first player in NFL history who sounds like a four year, one hundred million dollar deal and is mad at the dais when he gives his press conference, Well get ready for that.

Speaker 2

Well there's also a reality that receivers in this league not named Jefferson, Chase, Davante Adams. This league is furnished about thirty receivers a year out of college, and about ten are productive immediately. But every other team, I mean, if you go to the last decade, wide receivers are walking into this league out of college guys like Puka Nakua, Tank Dell, mid round guys, and you're like, shit, that that guy's a one. That guy's not even a two,

he's a one. So the reality is the one position that is literally expanding, you know, because there's a lot of families outside of a Texas that aren't playing as much football. There's not as many high school football players today is ten years ago. There's not Moms are like

a lot of moms Southern California, LA. Forget it. You're an outcast if you let your kid by high school football, especially if you're west of the four H five Freeway, like all the you know, all the high end fallutin you know, coastal towns so Malibu, Yeah, Hermosa, Manhattan Beach in Brentwood, Plaia. There does not. So my take is, but if you start looking at that position, there's few. They were good running backs. You get about one good left tackle a year, maybe two one star quarterback, maybe

two serviceable ones. I could argue if I went back and looked in the last decade, do we have eight receivers a year that come in here and stick. So it is hard unless you're like very top of the market, and by the way, if you're very top of the market, it's also discomforting. These guys now make thirty million dollars. Some gms are like, I mean, you better be able to do that on the rookie contract. You can't pay your quarterback and a receiver thirty large like unless he's

Jamar Chase. So I think it's one of these situations where they just if Trent Williams was in year three in his career and they had two more years not to pay him, I think you could be willing to push it. They can't win the Super Bowl in my opinion without Trent Williams. That's that's the roadblock here too.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think like you hit it on the supply and demand. Brandon a Yuk was drafted the end of the first round twenty seven. Debo who carried them to the NFC Amster three years was a second round pick. I watched today. I had the Colts game on in the background and the kid from Texas is make him plays. He's a second round pick. So, like you said, every single year, obviously, first rounders, second, third, and fourth rounders are making plays all season long at that position. They

cost a million dollars. If this was a real estate deal, it would have been over weeks ago. The Niners, you know this. They want two million. Niners are offering one point six. We ain't budget you're not budgeting. We go our separate ways. And that's kind of what's happened, except he's stuck on their team because he's under contract and their trump card is your fifth year options this year, and we have two franchise tags. We want to make this work, but this is our number. You're not a

free agent. You are not a free agent, so you can sit out to win the season. You're gonna pass up fourteen million dollars. That's like he acts, and I think his side, they think they got a bunch of leverage. There aren't a bunch of teams with a lot to give back. There was one, the Browns. The Niners like that offer Amari Cooper in the second round pick, and then he's like, no, well, you can't ask for a trade. This is in the NBA. You're not gonna dictate all

the terms here. And I think that's what's made him mad and the forty Niners mat because he won't play ball like we're offering you a ton of money. You're immediately gonna be the highest paid player on a highly paid team. So yeah, DJ Morris, these guys make more, They do more for their team in terms of production. That's never gonna Kyle Shanahan's not gonna start playing like Andy Reid, right, That's not how they're gonna play. They're gonna run the ball. I think in a perfect world,

party has like twenty six past attempts a game. That's what they're shooting for. They're not trying to play like forty three times. He's like, well, I could be a star receiver. Well, on this team, you're willing to pay you, and you're gonna thrive and you can make a ton off This is the forty nine Ers are top two or three brand in the league. He makes a ton off the field.

Speaker 2

I do wonder because of the first round receiver the Niners picked, if they do sign Iuk, who is a deep threat, That's not what Deebo does.

Speaker 1

He's yack.

Speaker 2

He's yards after the catch, which Kittle is. I do wonder when they drafted two receivers. Both can play the slot.

Speaker 1

They're both hurt especially the problem there all the time them.

Speaker 2

I can see this team moving off some of their guys like a Ligne, not Warner, but Greenlaw. I think they're getting to a point with Kittle. You know, Travis Kelcey. Before the playoffs, we were like, I don't know, ten surgeries, I don't know. Then he was great in the playoffs. But I do think Kittle, they're going to have to move off some contracts here. And I kind of look

at the Kittle thing. I look at the debo thing, because there's they're guys that play, and I love both, and they feel like they're DNA that they're they're really they feel like the Niners. But if you pay Ayuk, it does change things because he's a legitimate deep threat, and I think it changes the personality of your team a little bit. If you're paying him twenty five John, I'm throwing the ball to him.

Speaker 1

Part of why I think the Amari Cooper won. I think they thought it could be a plug and play transition between the two players. His contracts also up at the end of this season, so they get to reset that number. It just disappears on them, So they like the economic flexibility of that when because it's not just we talked about the year average. You put seventy eighty

guaranteed to this guy. You are in bed with him now for the next three or four years, on top of haying party, on top of having to figure out your left tackle situation. Trent's getting older. If George were to fall off a cliff, you need a tight end. He's very important in this offense. Fred's got a lot of wear and tear. Greenlaw has a torn achilles. You just got big picture question marks. And when you go all in on a player, you go, is he a

top eight wide receiver in the league. Well, if you even have to question that, should you be breaking them off a massive contract. The problem is they would trade him, but all these teams don't want to trade for him because they don't want to meet his demands either. So that's where they're kind of stuck in this weird spot. And let's face a colin, I would say they have do they have the most drama going on? I mean they got this IUX situation that is not figured out.

Trent Williams a holdout they have. They just had to cancel their their joint practices they were supposed to with the Saints because they have to called Dennis Allen's like, we got too many injuries. It's then God is August eleventh. But they got a lot going on.

Speaker 2

No, And I said this at the end of the season. I said, I think they've peaked. That doesn't That's not bad because their peak is Super Bowl. But I do feel like the Lions are a younger version of the Niners, where they've got like six guys, you know, pene Sewel, amar On, Saint Bount, Gibbs, Goff, Hutchison, the center, the

tight end. I kind of feel like when I'm watching the Lions, they're the Niners four years ago and in Detroit's gonna have this four year run and they're not you know, they're not paying all of their guys yet. But the Lions, like the Niners are, are really physical. It's the Dan Campbell thing. It's a different physical, different style, but it's like they're gonna punish you.

Speaker 1

So I kind of.

Speaker 2

Feel like what we've seen of the Niners is you're gonna start seeing guys breakdown. And I really do believe Philly and Detroit, but mostly Detroit feels like the next Niners with better quarterback play or at least more talented quarterback.

Speaker 1

I think where the Niners would push back go we got a better coach than them all, and we know how important trait is in the NFL, and that does their coaches like McVeigh liking. I mean, they got an elite coach. So when you have that, you can overcome an injury here and there that other teams when they got more of the raw ross CEO head coached. They asked Kyle yesterday. One of Kubiak's kids is on his staff. He let him call place and Kyle said it was the most bored he'd ever been in the game. I

didn't even know what's new with my hands. I started thinking a lot. It's one like obviously John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh, Belichick for a long time have mastered the CEO approach. But some of these coaches that are being they're not doing that much more than mir or you on the couch or a fan. I mean, seriously, like Kyle said, I called a couple of times out, I wasn't doing anything. I wasn't doing anything. And that's the thing with Philly,

right that article that came out last week. You just wonder they have so much talent, can they get by. I think their coordinators are good, but if things get weird, if you question, people are always going to disagree with a boss, with a coach. We're humans. When I question or I lose respect for you because I don't think you have the knowledge. I don't know if you ever

come back from that. In a professional setting, if there's a superior and I think this guy is incapable of either helping me out or knowing what he's doing, that doesn't change because it's not a twelve year old. You don't all of a sudden gain that ability at forty eight or fifty four like you kind of have to have it. That's why you're in that position. And when people under you, especially in highly competitive areas like Wall

Street or what we do, or definitely football. If Jalen Hurts questions his football acumen, can you imagine a quarterback for the top coaches questioning like I don't think Andy knows this coverage at all, or someone with Belichick. That's that'd be unheard of, And that's maybe they can overcome just because they have so much talent. But that's something to keep in the back pocket if things go south or they had a little adversity that'll that'll come back to roost, won't it. Well.

Speaker 2

Go to his opening press conference, he was literally he was word salid. He was terrified.

Speaker 1

It was Tom sue two point zero.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean, like Jim Tom Suell. It's the worst press conference I've ever seen. Nick siri on his second and I defended Dan Campbell's I said Dan was over the top, but he had a plan and he's delivered on the plan. They bite knee caps. I mean, remember the first two years when they weren't winning, John, they weren't winning. I mean, their defense was the worst in the league. They played so effing hard. They played a

game against Baltimore. I remember one watching and thinking, I don't have four guys that start for the Ravens, and they were just back and forth. So you can say what you'll know at Campbell and I was like, this is cheesy. But they are exactly what he promised they would be at the podium opening presser, like he said, We're going to be relentless. That's exactly what they are. Even with Golf who's a finesse player, they're pretty relentless team.

Siriani was just lost. Tom Sula was embarrassing. And at the end, now I have a story that comes out multiple sources from somebody I respect at ESPN says, yeah, they don't really respect him. I'm with you on that. I mean, I've been very lucky in my life. I've had good bosses. I've had one that you know, we had a nickname for him. He just didn't know what he was doing. And though I liked him, I never looked at him the same way. I just if he came down the hall, good guy, let's get a coffee.

Wasn't somebody I respected? So to your point, and remember, Jalen Hurts has had Nick Saban and Lincoln Riley, So those those are the voices he has heard in his life. And I don't know it was Sark the offensive coordinator when he was at Alabama. I forget who it was, but it was somebody like kippin her Sark. Wasn't that somebody?

Speaker 1

It would have been one of the two. They definitely overlapt.

Speaker 2

Okay, Okay, so you're talking about high and luxury offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1

Talk ran da Ball was there one year, two okay, okay, so now now three of them now okay, So you're let's just say we go.

Speaker 2

You know, Sarker, Dable, Lincoln, Shane Steichen. Now he's got none of them, and it's Nick Sirianni. So who's he competing with? Again, It'd be one thing if he had bad coordinators. Nick Sirianni would feel like a football coach. Lincoln Riley, Shane Steichen. And now it's Sirianni's voice. So I think Jalen may be going you start looking around in your life, my life, you have one or two great bosses, you know, you spot the guys that aren't great real quick.

Speaker 1

Yeah. I mean when I worked in radio, Jason Barrett, who you've known for a long time, he left and we hired a new guy and he was just a complete buffoon and it was a disaster and the place almost went under. But when you don't respect someone who you have to listen to, and it's no different as a player, like a lot of people listening that they have a boss when you were you're going to disagree.

That's healthy. There's no growth at a little confrontation. But when I think you know nothing or at the level in which I'm accustomed to, it's hard to function. So when that part of that article that he called wink Martindale, I think a lot of it. And my first thought was like, God, it's kind of a go getter, and then you started thinking about I think he just lost. He's like, who do I even talk to? Right? I just need to talk to someone who might give me

some decent advice here of some schematic help. And that's what I wonder with Siriani. And listen, the Eagles do a couple of things really well. One they just acquire good players, and two, their owner will spend a lot. Their two coordinators are making and combined, I've heard a lot of money. I mean, Vic Fangil might be the highest Bay defensive coordinator in the league, and Kellen Moore's

numbers closer to five million than it is one. So they're paying their two They're paying their two coordinators a lot of coin. But those guys they're gonna run it right, Sire Howani even in that article is like, get away from Kellen and the quarterbacks. Well, he's an offensive guy. How many offensive coaches? That's why I have so much respect for Lafloor. What he did with Rogers was impressive, but it was easy to go with Rogers great players, and what he did with Jordan love Is makes you

like you're gonna get contract extensions for a long time. Right. Mcveigh's worked with several quarterbacks. Kyle's worked with a ton of quarterbacks, and he can coach any quarterback. I'm watching this guy. I thought he's an offensive guy, but the

quarterback doesn't even like him. And by all accounts he can be clearly Jalen's a little weird, little quirky, but he's clearly like a good guy and wants to pluy and like is an all about football guy, and he thinks your weakness is I would say the most thing for a coach schematics. In the NFL, we're college recruiting. The Jimmy's and the Joe's scheme matters. But if I have the more talent, like I'm just gonna boat race ninety percent of the teams, I'm gonna play football Monday

through Saturday. In the NFL is a thinking man sport. It's about trying to outthink, outplay out chest maneuver you. It's why Urban Meyer, who's used to recruiting and everything,

got to it was just it wasn't this thing. Jim Harbaugh would be the first to tell you, like, I'm very dependent on great I can do the leadership, I can do the toughness, but scheme's not his thing, but he hires great coaches because scheme in the NFL, it's it's just working fifteen eighteen hours a day Monday through Saturday, getting ready for Sunday. And I don't know what Siriani doing. Honestly, I don't know the answer, like tangibly, like you see

Dan Campbell, you see what he's doing. You feel his team, John Harbaugh his whole career, you feel it, even if he's not calling on inside the ball. But now I question his is, like I what's going on here? They were kind of stuck because it was because people go back to two years ago, could you fire him for Shane Stike? And that would have been a pretty unprecedented move, right going to the Super Bowl firing the coach for the other guy. Clearly today they wish they could have,

but that it would have been difficult. And then last year they were definitely sniffing around, but they were kind of stuck. And this goes back to Luckily their owner's got a lot of money and willing to pay a lot for coordinators.

Speaker 2

Listen, Tom Tellskill told me when Shane Steichen was in the building with the Chargers and Anthony Lynn was struggling, like I asked him and he said, Amen, that guy's a rock star. But you, to your point, Anthony Lynn was.

Speaker 1

A nice guy.

Speaker 2

You got to give him a shot, Stike and gets an upgrade. What you propose, I think happens a lot where you bring in a coordinator, you don't really love the coach, but you're not ready to dump him, and you sit there for a year and the GM and the owner. The GM is telling the owner the smarter coach is the coordinator, but get rid of this guy yet. So I think what you're proposing, I think those conversations happen once a year somewhere in this league.

Speaker 1

Well, don't don't mean this guy earned a little street cred last year because he's taken a lot of shit, rightfully so. But Mike McCarthy goes all take over the play calling and obviously didn't. The season didn't end well, but there's no disputing that the season went really well as an offensive play caller, and clearly McCarthy's winning a bunch of games, Like, I don't know how this season

is gonna go. You would probably lean, if you're a betting man, Mike McCarthy will not be the coach after the season just because are they going to make the NFC Championship game. But he's kind of proven that he's more than capable as an offensive play caller. Yeah, leader, like he's he's a real NFL coach.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean, let's let's be honest. Cooper Rush went like five and one, he's won.

Speaker 1

It looked pretty good today.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean so uh Trey Lance for I mean Trey Lance and San Francisco didn't work.

Speaker 1

He's okay, you know little I'm not putting that one on Mike. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2

But I mean in the end, you can go look at virtually every quarter that has played with Mike McCarthy in his career, starters or backups. You know, Dalton was washed, but I would side to that. Everybody is. I always look at this. Everybody kind of played there, Shane Steichen. Every quarterbacks played their best. Well, the same thing for Mike McCarthy. He got you know that he had, didn't he get thirteen and three out of five one of those years was seven year as a coach.

Speaker 1

So my thing, my thing is if this let's say they go nine to eight and they're the seventeen and they lose a while, whatever, is he not worth getting a job somewhere else if he is fired? I mean, look at half these coaches in the league, like I actually think Mike McCarthy has more than rebuilt his equity in his name and honestly had pretty impressive little run here in Dallas. Well.

Speaker 2

Also the advantage McCarthy has, let's say he wins ten to eleven, it certainly feaes them. I think they're a ten win team, matter twelve team. He walks out of there, he can say in closed doors, Jesus, it's a shit show with the owner, and Dak is what he is. And I'm winning twelve games. Okay, you may not be the coach on the market, you're one of seven. And again McCarthy is marccarthy's classic. And you see this all

the time. We're somebody successful has a ring. It can be in anything, but I mean, you know, Frank Vogel has a ring. No, it's it is what he took an Indiana team with Roy Hibbert, who I love by the way. Personally that team didn't have any offense is Paul George, Roy Hibbert and guys George Hill. I think it played on that team and they gave the heatles every year. Problems those series were. I mean, Lebron struggled put Hibbert by the ten. Frank Vogel goes to Los Angeles.

I just saw Frank at dinner the other night in town. Frank Vogels won a lot of basketball games in this league, but it's the NBA. They all get fired if they're not called Steve Kerr, s Poulter or Greg Popovich. So I think McCarthy's one of those guys where you know he can coach he needs. There's certain things he does very very well. He comes across, you know a little bit like you know, he looks outdated. He talks like

he's outdated. I mean he does. But to his credit, he is on the right side of the ball, and he wins about eleven games a year in his career.

Speaker 1

So say all plays and work with a quarterback and he can lead. I mean, I think he's bringing a lot to the table.

Speaker 2

So do I Again, he may not be If he may not be the like hardball. This year was the top choice. He'll probably never be the top choice. But if he's my number three pitcher, you can do worse than Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 1

Well, if you flip flop coaches. If I told you Sirianni was the head coach of the Cowboys and McCarthy was the head coach of the Eagles, every single human alive would pick the Eagles to win the division and no one alive would pick the Cowboys and make the playoffs. Great point.

Speaker 2

That's a great point, and we'll end it there. John Middlecuff, former NFL Scout three and out boy, this this felt like last season.

Speaker 1

That was fun.

Speaker 2

That frickin flew What do we do? We did over an hour?

Speaker 1

That flew baby back. Good see anybody you two calling, have good week.

Speaker 2

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