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him in the face, Ampty. Joshua is a composed and ferocious finisher. What's this? This heavy Way? Hosted by s I S Chris Mannix. That was My Moments Now with interviews, analysis and everything going on in the world of foxing. When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Chris mann X joining me now on the podcast. He is the former Junior Middleweight Champion, the Contender champion of Season one, where the finals were seen by over twelve

million people. He is the star of the Zone broadcasting team. He is Sergio Mora. Wow. Yeah, thank you, thank you very much. I think I deserve that. And you know what, I might not just I was gonna read a statement, you're gonna statement. I might recant the statement now because of that intro. It's good intro. Damn good intro. About time you recognize rue. But I'm still gonna give my statement. You know you are. So. This will be my final

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On your last appearance on the show, which is not we are going to talk about what we saw last weekend with the regious program. I'm gonna look ahead to what we are going to see this weekend with Chuckle l Tito Versus Astrada Part three. Later in the show, Tyson Fury, the heavyweight champion of the world. He joins me to talk about his upcoming fight and tell us what he'd be doing if he was not boxing right now.

Interesting answer there from Tyson Fury. But first, Sergio're gonna stay in the heavyweight division and look act on what was a pretty disappointing weekend for Dillian White. Dillian White, former title challenger, coming off the loss to Tyson Fury last spring, he faced Jermaine Franklin in what everyone anticipated to be just a shake off the rust type of fight. Franklin was undefeated, but he was completely untested. Instead, it turned out to be a nip and tuck fight all

the way to the end. White gets the decision, but he was far from impressive, at least to my eyes. What did you say, You're harder impressed? Jermaine Franklin was a good fighter, really good fighter, but he's just too small for the division. He reminds me of Wade White on that night. Yeah, but he's just shorter. I mean, in this age of heavyweights, you gotta be at least six ft four. Franklin down the beach Bridge weight. I just don't think he's gonna have the size to compete

with these monsters at heavyweight. And Dillian White what six ft four and he's fought the monsters before. I thought White he got it out a damn good performances against a real good fighter. And Franklin, I don't think that's good before by White, did you? I I love the body shots, I like the game plan, the toughness. Believe me. Look, Franklin is a good fighter. You know what. He reminded me of Curtis Stevens. He was. He was like a bigger version of Curtis Stevens. He's just too small for

the weight division. Stevens gave everyone a hard time at middleweight. He just couldn't beat the big guys at middleweight. Franklin is gonna be the exact same way as the combinations Uh the hooks he he hurt Dillian White. I think it was in the ninth round with that overhand right, if he would have had ten seconds, if I would

end their knockout. But that's boxing for you. So I was impressed with Franklin's performance against a very tough UH title challenger who's only lost to the best in championship level and White. But I think Franklin is not a legitimate heavyweight. I don't think in this era he's gonna be able to win a title at heavyweight. So yeah, Bridges, Bridger wait is his future. Credit to Franklin for exceeding expectations.

But I thought Dylian White looked old. You know, he's thirty five, He's been through some tough fights, has been knocked out before this in two of his previous three fights. He looked like a guy that was shop worn at that point. And that's what makes for exciting. Wasn't it exciting? Was it an entertaining fight? It was interesting, entertaining. I thought it was an entertaining A couple of times, like the ninth round, Franklin hurt White, he got hurt, ended,

it ended in excitement. It was an entertaining fight. I believe it wasn't a classic sluck fest. I was entertained. There was there was moments of Dillian White. I mean he two accident body shots. He had a good game plan as well, because Franklin was wait waiting to check hook and CounterPunch White. So White kept doing that right hand to the mid section and the gut, and that kept the left hook and check. Dillian White's a very smart fighter. He's never gonna win a championship. And yes

he's past his prime, but he's still entertaining. He's still gonna get the calls. I mean, look at your sorrow. He's fighting Tyson Fury. So so nowadays, guys like that, they have a name, they're they're they're certified tough guys. They've been to the top. They're always going to be able to make money. And Dillian White is still in there. He still has another payday coming. We'll get to Tyson Fury and Dirt Store, but I'm prepared to say so

is probably going to get steamrolled in that fight. Um, you have long been a advocate for not changing trainers. You know, you were with Dean Campos virtually your entire career. You've you've always been a loyalty guy, a belief that the right guy works. This was the first fight for Dillian White and Buddy mcgart and to my eyes, Sergio,

it didn't work. Like Buddy mcgart who has one of those voices that you can hear from every corner of an arena, came through the TV screaming stuff at Dillian White, use the jab, used that crab defense that protected him from the uppercuts, and it just seemed to me that Dillian was resisting the entire fight, like he just wasn't responding. You didn't want to respond to Buddy mcgarten as he kind of moved this forward. I wonder Buddy McGraw is

the right guy for him. You know. The one time that I considered leaving Dean compos I called Buddy mcgrerat. Really I didn't know that about you, Yeah, it did. That's the one withness after the Brian Vera first one I think it was the first one er. Yeah, one of those, and it was Brian. Buddy mcgret. I just shot him a text and he goes, yeah, man, I would love to train you have non usance, you know.

Two thousand one, two thousand two. Whatever. Anyway, I'm a big fan of Buddy mcgrett because he was an excellent box I mean you watched his fights with Simon Brown, you you realize, like, wow, that's Buddy mcgrett. Hall of Famer, two division Ship too division champion any and he and he's going to Hall of Fame as a trainer too. I believe, I'm not I'm not blaming Buddy mcgrett for anything. I just think he got lost in translation. Buddy mcgert um,

he did well with Covid lev and that. You know, they had different backgrounds, but I just think they were lost in translation. Dealing White is already an old horse. And I know they say you can't teach new dogs new tricks. Well, ship horses are even harder to teach. I mean they're they're more stubborn. Dealing White has been successful and not successful in the championship level doing what he does. He's a tough guy. He likes to mix it up. Buddy mcgret has this um, defensive minded away

of boxing and fighting. Ah. He turns punchers into boxers. He did it with or Tooto Gatti. He tried to do it with the Crusher Covid left. So you know, Dealian Whites a puncher. You gotta, you gotta if you want to fight into your older thirties and continue making money, you gotta become a boxer. And Dillian White just likes to be a slugger. Yeah, and I think it's proven if you listen to Buddy, there's positive results. I mean,

you mentioned Covid left. He didn't win that fight against Canelo, but he fought exactly the way Buddy wanted him to, and it was close on the cards before Cannello knocked him out. Covid left through hundreds of jabs in that fight. I can still hear in my ear the sound of Buddy mcgart yelling at Dillian White to throw more jabs. And Dillian White has the frame to be a good

jab puncher, incredibly long. Here's the great wingspans in boxing. Like, if Dillian White will listen to Buddy, then that pairent can work. But I don't come up way from that fight, Surgio thinking Dillian and Buddy around the same page. You nailed it right on the head right there. And that has to do with with character. And I like to talk a lot about character and fighters, because look, if you're not gonna mesh with somebody's personality, you're not gonna

mess with them in training. Buddy mcgrett I got to know him well when he trained Fernomal Vargas for anomal argains. You know, he moved trainers and he went with Buddy mcgret for one time. And that's when I got to know Buddy and and and Fernando him didn't mix. Fernando was an offensive minded fighter. He was a gritty, ballsy fighter. He liked mixing it up. Buddy brings a little defense

to the table. He wants to extend careers. And everyone that he's that he's actually been successful with, he extended their careers. It didn't work with Fernomo because Ronaldo just doesn't have that personality. But that's where I got to know Buddy, and I realized that, damn man, this guy's a hell. Not only was he a hell of a fighter, but a hell of a trainer. And I kept that in my memory bank, like, man, if every something that ever happens with me and my train and this guy

go with the sure enough. Fifteen years later, I shot him a text and then it happened material I but I respect Buddy a lot. Why didn't happen because Dean's the man. Dean composes the man. I mean he uh, he knows his strategies. It's just, uh, you know, when you lose, you gotta blame someone. And that's how it is. That's how it is in boxing. You know, sometimes fighters and trainers, especially new pairents, don't work. I mean, Emanuel

Stewart's one of the great trainers of all time. He was oiling water with McGill coto when they trained together. Freddie Roach has worked with some great fighters, but him and Vladimir Klitschko wasn't the same as him in many patio sometimes it just doesn't work out. I do wonder if Buddy and Dillian are the right match. But to spend this forward like we're gonna get Dillian White versus Anthony Joshua. But I don't walk away from White Franklin

thinking White josh was going to be competitive. I mean, even if it's a diminished version of Joshua, I think he's just gonna walk right through Billian White. I don't know if you think you're wrong, No, really, because Dillian White always he's always in a good fight, even in his losses where he came up short. Maybe except for the Tyson Fury one, but against uh Joshua. Again, it wasn't really competitive fight against Joshua, but he was slinging the punch, he was killing in him. He was it

was It was an entertaining fight. There was interesting moments in that in that fight. And what was his other loss. It was Tyson furious Joshua and Pevekan. He came back and started Pevekan. So I don't think he was winning the fight against exactly. So he's only lost on the

championship level. So I think he fights Joshua. You're wrong, then, I think he he brings that motivation and everything he learned from those championship losses and experience against a vulnerable mentally be mentally vulnerable fighter in Joshua coming off a loss. We don't know what he's gonna have. Yeah, man, I like that fight. I think if this was five years ago,

I probably agree with you. But I think at thirty five years old and having been knocked out in two of his last four fights, I think there's not a lot left at least the high level from Dillian White. A better fight this past weekend was Regius Pro Gray against Jose's a pay to Progray. For some reason has been just ignored by the major promoters, like can't get a deal with match Room, can't get a deal with

Top Rank, can't get a deal with Golden Boy. Before the Zapeta fight, Sergio, he had fought one time in the last three years, three times in the last three years, and I've always wondered why, Like this is a entertaining American power puncher, Like why was this guy not welcomed into the club of top guys at one seven? Then he goes out against the Peta and shows me why I'm right in a way because he was. It was entertaining, he dominated, and he had a spectacular finish at the end.

I think right now, and one forty is one of the best divisions in boxing. I think right now you can make the argument that the best guy at one forty is Regius Program. He was nip and tuck with Josh Taylor, lost a close fight over in the UK against Josh Taylor, and then he goes out and just stops the pay to a guy that's one some pretty high level fights over the last few years. Is Regius pro grade. Now the man at one forty, he's number two. The man is Josh Taylor. The man is the man,

the man that beat programs. I mean it was a very close, what split decision, But look at Josh Taylor, another guy that's inactive and kind of going under the radar as far as bad win. But look at who he's fought. His last six opponents have been undefeated opponents. What is it? Jack Catterall undefeated, ramire Is undefeated, Kansong undefeated, Regius program defeated Baron Check undefeated, That Martin character undefeated,

Victor Posto. Come on, that's a great, great resume. You give me another undisputed champion, another champion that has that kind of a record, back to back to back undefeated fighters. You're not getting it. So Progray is the man at one forty, he's now a two time champion, and I agree with you. How he's flown under the radar so long, I don't get it. I think lud de Bella promoted him.

So he did have a major promoter under Lose, a very big promoter, But he doesn't have kind of the power anymore that some of these because the network TV deals. That's what it comes down to, Okay, the network, So you know, there's so many networks. I just think Progray is uh He's a man that that I really like. I really like Progray not only is fighting style, but outside the ring, the way he carries himself, the way

he's like, he's an excellent champion. I just think he's uh. Well, when he's a southpap, a lot of you know, promoters kind of like pushing other you know, they try to avoid Southpalls. It's hard to match them. Um, and he's just a damn good fighter man, a damn good fighter that they're on to probably market him and moving well. But after this performance was a pay to you can bet that you know people are gonna allow everyone damn to damn line up for the opportunity to fight him.

And it's my understanding that Jose Ramirez and his team do not want to face Pro Gray in their next fight. I think there's gonna be something a little softer. Jose ramires but off for a while at this point, but if he passes, then you could be looking at Pro Greg. It's ta Femo Lopez in the first half TENXT year. Tafimo Lopez is next in line as mandatory challenge. I talked to a female this week and he said, if that fight is offered to him, if he beats Sando

Martine in a week, he will take that fight. And I hope he's right. Hope, I hope he Top Rank and everybody wants because that's another great and it's a fight that can be made because Program would is as a free agent. He's a free agent, so showing the money ESPN and Top Rank have the money, TiO Fimo Lopez and him will be explosive. That would be a

great fight. I mean, yeah, sign me up for that one, UM and you know, be a food will title find Now that Program is a champion, so TiO female is going to have all the incentive to actually have to take a chance with a with a hard punching, very good south Paul that's now a champion. So I love that fight bringing it on. It's such a great division right now because you've got the guys that are there

pro Gray Taylor, Ramirez, Lopez. Then you've got the guys that are going to be there in the next six months to a year, Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney, maybe some others at one thirty. It's a fantastic division that I hope these fights, UM all get made. I think they can be made because the politics are a little cleaner with with some of this stuff. Yeah, but the question was he number one, and I say no, Rue is number two. Yeah, which is fair. I think it's fair.

He lost the fight, and I don't think there's any real disputingly lost. The fight was very close, but he lost that fight. All right, let's talk about some of the fights we have coming up this weekend. Tyson Fury is over in the UK taking on Derksa. He's got

a lot of heat for this fight. Sergio like he's gotten some criticism for taking on I don't really blame him for it because he did want to and tried to make the fight against alexand Us, but Us said, you know what, I'm gonna wait till early next year. Let's minge rees heal. There were discussions for a fight with Anthony Joshua, but come on, Like, making Joshua against

Fury in like six weeks didn't make any sense. You need Joshua to get a win and then next summer, if Fury is undisputed at heavyweight and Joshua was on like a two fight winning streak, you can that that's still once again, the biggest fight you can make in all of boxing. So I don't know about you, but I didn't have a real problem with Esora ass. Yes you did, Yes you did. We did it in an episode of Jabs when you asked me who should Tyson Fury stay busy with? I said, and said, what for what?

It's it's a neat. I'm going to bring it up again. But said on one episode of Jabs, makes no sense. I said, absolutely, it makes sense. He always comes to fight. I mean, that's war Sasa. People love him in England. He can pack out a crowd. It's to stay busy. Fight better than being inactive waiting for better than fighting some unknown German. And you shat, I did not shichat past tense chat on that matchup. And you said, no, oh they's already been He's already beating him twice. We

no one wants to watch. Now you're recanting, that's the word, recanting what you said on Jacks. I'm gonna have Bob our producer bring that up because on Jabs you shat on that fight. I said, no, man, it's stay busy, stay working. People love just so or it makes sense until Wilder Joshua or Us become available and the Gypsy King gets that on another a side a side versus a side, and so then fits the bill. You can have Bob find the clip on your computer, which doesn't work.

You're like Handsel from Zoolander with that computer. It's in the computer. Yeah, you know what. And I'm glad I'm raising my kids that way, anti computer, anti iPad, because they're gonna be articulate. They're gonna remember phone numbers and they're gonna remember names. I have a great memory. You don't remember any of those things. Yeah, but I got hit in the head for twenty three years. I look Fury my opinion right now, I Fury can do whatever he wants with this fight. He wants to stay busy,

he wants to keep fighting. Next year, he's gonna fight, is gonna be ringside for a few reversus uh Us has never priced himself out of a fight. So what's gonna happen? So March April next year, we get that fight and then Fury. Maybe it's Wilder, although I think that's kind of crazy. I don't need to see Fury Wilder four. Frankly, at this point, maybe it's Joshua. That's what we said about the third one. At least I did I know it turned out to be a great fight.

I think it's interesting. Not to go off topic here, but I think it's interesting see that Wilder and his team are now giddy about the idea of facing josh They don't want to face Andy Ruiz, that's fine, they want to face Joshua, Yeah, because that's Andy Ruiz is just wrong for every heavywhere because he's just his hands are so fast, and he has he has a Mexican style in the heavyweight division, with which is unheard of because Mexicans don't grow that big, and then he has

fast hands and now he has the experience, he has a confidence. He's a former heavyweight champion. So if I was Wilder's management, I think Shelley thinkle stay all away from from Mexican Rocky there Andy Ruiz, Yeah, he's all wrong for you. But um, I love I love that rematch again. I mean, I know I said adn't want the third one, but after seeing that trilogy, they're gonna be like the next Marcus Pakia, Like we don't want to see it, but then when it happens, like I

want to see it again. You know, with a lot of head punched from two big men. That's a lot of beatings that are being heard businessman in that fight. Yeah it is. And you do it once, that's great, you do it four times? Yeah, but you do it four times getting paid forty million dollars or whatever they're getting paid. So it's worth it's worth those beatings. May wants that fighting, you can. I like that fight in the UK. You do enough enough times over the US.

Do it wants in the UK? And look, we're gonna be commentating on a great trilogy. Is gonna go down in history. Now they're gonna be fighting for if they fight for a fourth time, it's going to go down in the history books. I mean, you can mention that trilogy alongside and I'm not exaggerating, alongside Ali Fraser, because it was classic trilogy, maybe not in name recognition and popularity around the world, but in what happened inside the ring and how memorable was it was incredible And it's

just that. And then they captured the imagination of different demographic of fans and people and and and around the world. It was that it was an international it was a world heavyweight championship by the world. It wasn't just American versus American. Bring it on, I'll take the fourth fight. I want to talk about Shocktostrada in one second, but I want to hear take on something that happened this week.

Did you see the video that made the rounds of Carlos Padilla, the referee in the Pacquiao fight from two thousands, Yeah, this was the referee who officially who also, by the way, you mentioned he did I believe the rumble of the jungle or the thrill of Manilla one of the alive Ali Frasier and Manilla um. He refereed a fight with Manny Patio involved in two thousand and he admitted to giving Pakia an eighteen count. This was two fights before

Pakiao won a world title. Uh. And you know, I've seen clips of the video making the rounds on social media. I guess the WBC for some reason made it private. I don't really understand what that's all about. I have a huge problem with this, Sergio, like a big problem with this like this guy. I don't know if he's still in boxing, but should never be allowed. He should be treated like Panama Lewis like him, you should you gave it eighteen count to a fighter. I don't know

what that. That's a little bit hard. I mean extreme there. I mean you go from a guy from that can that that took out Patty out of a glove and it was a known cheating punishment, be banned done. He's probably I think he's like eight years old, so he's probably doing anything. I mean banded, yes, but uh maybe suspended but yeffort band. He's already retired band. Someone should

sue him. It's like when you're at the edge of death and then you want to recan't everything you did wrong just for you can go into the pearly gates. I think Padilla wanted to get that off the shoulder. They can't. As much as it is unburdened, unburdened confessed. You don't want that Burdena didn't want that burden. A lot of tough shit like you can confess, but there's a consequence to it. There's a price you have to pay. Ban up eight year old that. I wouldn't let him

sniff another boxing an official boxing related event. I wouldn't even let him get tickets to any kind of fight. Ever again, what a scumbag? Like an absolute scumbag forgiven an eighteen count to many pack that we said that people, I guess that the US told him. You know, Pat has got big things ahead of him moving forward. Get the funk out. How about eighteen counts? How about the who refereed Buster Douglas Tyson? I mean, that was a long count. That was I forget that the referee was.

That was a long count. Tyson could have continued being the okay, But this is a referee that cost tens of millions of dollars and the trajectory of Mike Tyson's incredible career got derailed because of that long count that he should have knocked out Buster Douglas and whatever around that was. It happens, man, not my referee is trying to help Buster Douglas. Who knows maybe when he's eight he might come back and Rick Kent fence to hell

with this guy. Seriously, you're a scumbag. Don't don't ever be involved in boxing again. In fact, if we get the opportunity in the zone, want to keep calling a scumbag over and over and over again because you know the the guy and I'm sorry, I'm black on his name right now? Who who should have won that fight? Uh? That could have changed his life if you beat Manny Packy. I know it's a different version of many Packer. That could have changed his life. And I hate when that happens.

You should when that happens too, because you fighters work hard to put your body and minds on the line. One fight can change how millions of dollars and it's happening and have free fighters careers have been in my career, has happen in many fighters career where one judge kept you from making seven figures, one judge kept you from getting that big fight. I I can put myself in

that predictiuent, but we're not talking about me. Every fighter can tell you a big story of where they should have, could have, would have and didn't happen because of a judge. You were just in the fighter Meetia. That's why I want to bring it. I don't want to bring it on. I say mostly and you're the judges there. Could have had your cracket Canelo, I could have gotten decapitated for a seven. This is why I like you, because you don't say things like yeah, I could have gotten mosy job,

and I would have beaten Cannelo. You say, yeah, I could have gotten mosy shot and I want to kick my ask, But it would have been for a good one point one million dollar pay day. It would have been nice. Um alright. Two guys making good pay days are Roman Chocolate Tito Gonzalez and Juan Francisco Astrado. This weekend, they fight the third fight of their storied rivalry, ending what has been about a ten year rivalry. Would have figured their first fight was back in two thousand twelve.

Chocola Tito one convincingly in two thousand twelve. It was a controversial decision last year when these two fought with a strata getting it, but many people, myself included, thought Chuco Latito deserved to get that decision. How are you feeling about this matchup going into the third fight? Giddy, buckle up, Mannix, I mean, this is this is We're gonna be broadcasting history. We're gonna witness greatness. Uh you know, it's gonna go down in the history books as as

one of the great trilogies of all times. So buckle up, man, I'm gonna be right next to you. Sadly and thankfully will be next to my pal Todd Grisham to the left. And we're gonna be calling a classic trilogy that's gonna go down as one of the greats. I mean, this is this is the probably the comparison. The great comparison is probably Chi Gonzalez versus Michael Carba because they were a flyweights. I mean, I got a classic trilogy, but it gets, you know, pushed aside because there's such a

you know, a lighter fighters. But in the history of trilogies, whether you're talking about you know, Tyson Fury or Deante Wilder, or whether you're talking about Duran Leonard or whoever, Mickey Ward and Arctoto, Gatti, Marquez, Pakia, there's so many great ones. This one's gonna be alongside it. And and we're there. We're gonna have the best seats in the house. I'm just giddy, man, I can't wait till Saturday. So what

are you looking for in this fight? Because one of the things, one of the variables I'm I've been considering is that when you think about momentum, amazingly, Chrucola Tito, who's thirty five years old, is coming into this fight

with more momentum than Estrata. Chocolatito is coming off the wind over Julio Caesar Martinez, a dominant performance over a guy that was one of the best in the hundred and twelve pound division, Whereas Estrata his fight against Cortez back in September, like Cortes, just like we talked about Jermaine Franklin, was kind of hand picked to be a guy. Estrata looks good against a shake off the rust type of fight, and he struggled in that fight. He got hurt in that fight. He got cut in that fight.

So when I look back at the second fight between Gonzales and Astrada, fight that I thought Chocolatito one, and the Cortes fight, which was Astrada's next fight and his only fight since then, I don't get the sense of Strata's coming in with much momentum. Does that matter in

this In a matchup like this, absolutely momentum matters. But Estrada his nickname is Alao, you know, and the rooster, And in Mexico and some other smaller countries, you know, rooster fighting is legal, and and roosters they have this edge to him. Let me give you another comparison. I don't want to be politically incorrect. I hit people. Um, I don't want to be politically and correct and talk about, you know, rooster fighting. So let's talk about Sea Biscuit.

Sea Biscuit needed to have that one horse next to him. He didn't want to be in the lead. He wanted to that horse. He wanted to look Ida ida him. He wanted to say, Okay, you ready, I'm gonna give you what I got now? Is that all you got? Here? I go and I'm gonna take it down that he needs that. He fights to his competition. Guya Strada fights to his competition. A lot of fighters are that way,

whether you're great or not. You want another great rivalry, you want that Sea Biscuit I looking next to you. If you're just gonna have an r he Cortez next, He's like, uh okay, I struggled with guys like that. I had guys like that Brian Vera, that that was my guy that I'm gonna wipe the floor with him. Tough guy. Everyone has guys like that, whether you're talking

about the greatest or not. So I think it's Strata he's gonna he's fighting to his competition, and whether he got lucky with the decision of his last fight, that's irrelevant on history books. It's one one. It's a trilogy of classic trilogy, and he's fighting one of the greatest fighters of our generation. You can bet the sea biscuit and the guy is gonna come out and he needs that that that that that he needs that rival in

that competition to get the best out of him. He doesn't get motivated by r He Cortez or any other name. He gets motivated by four division champions and the greatest of our generation. So what does the Strata have to do to win this fight? Because we know we're gonna get from Chocolate Tito. He's gonna apply relentless pressure. He's gonna throw over a hundred punches around. He's gonna try to wear you down over these twelve rounds, which he's

done in his two matchups with the Strada. How does the Strata turn the tables on him in this one? He continue doing what he did the first two fights, even the first fire were Chocolateito one. You know, Strado was a complete unknown. He didn't have the experience that he has not now and he's still put up a damn good fight, a fantastic fight. He's there's just style stylistically perfectly matched. So don't change nothing, medics, don't change nothing.

Estrada is not the type that will get it uh luard into a war, so we don't have to worry about that. Estrada will engage when he feels he can, he can get the best out of it. But then he'll box. He can go back on the back foot. He's a boxer puncher. Chocolo is a straight puncher, come in one way. So we know his game plan and we know that Estrato is successful in the back foot. So what should he do? More jabs, more body shots because l Aito needs to be worried about getting hurt

to the body, you know, the head shots. He keeps his hands up too high, you know, And and I don't think Estrato has the power to penetrate those gloves. So dig down to the body and keep those elbows tucked in so that ring general ship pop the jab, stay off the ropes. That's how Strato wins this decision. He'sn't he doesn't knock out. Is it not amazing to you that Chocolates doing this a thirty five like I was amazing, call you a five fight. I think I

was just in all I mean when I watched. When I watched, I know Alexe cerguyo Is is his idol and he and he's Nicaraguan as well, But I don't see Alexis. I see Roberto Duran, another Central American great guys that I've always been uh you know, they've been great at light a weake divisions and they they always get um counted out once they go up and wait

and they keep surprising you. Roberto Duran won the middleweight championship of the world and he's five ft seven and he fought a beast, a monster, and I ran Barkley six ft one. That's what Chocola Tito reminds me of. Both Central Americans, but that's who he reminds me of, because it's just subtle, aggressive animals that know how to get inside the big technical but then they have the defense to not get you know, hit with you know,

ridiculous big shots. They know how to stay poisoned the pocket getting aggressive, and that's who I see when whenever I watched this amazing little speciable fighter and Chocola Tito. So yeah, man, I'm I'm buckled up. Like I said, I'm just so ready for Saturday. And Guy doesn't need to change anything. Chol doesn't need to change anything because we're getting another classic fight. Who is this fight more

important too? Because you've got two guys that are Chocolate Tito first ballot Hall of Famer Guy was Strata most likely a Hall of Famer um, but legacy wise, who is this quite more important to both? It's gotta be Astrata and it's both. It's both. I think Estrada has already proved that he's on the elite level. He already cracked the pound for pound rankings. He's a two division champion, he already beat he's beating everyone that's being his ticket

as a first ballot guy. If he wins, there's nothing wrong. I don't think he wins. I don't think there's nothing wrong with being a second ballot guy. You're still in the Hall of Fame. He's going to be in the Hall of Fame. But there's a distinction to it, like there's this this some pride to being a first ballot Hall of Famer and look I think Astrata would like

to be. Astrado made the point to us this week that like he's not done with his career either, like he's still in his early thirties and he can still go up in Wait two and win titles in that way. Class. But because I don't think people believe he beat Chuckole late Tito in that last fight, I think this fight, it is important. He's got great wins. He beat start wrong side twice, He's beat the three kings he's beat. He's the wrong with side he's beat. He's the only one.

He's the only one of the four kings that's being the other three didn't beat. So there you go. That. So whether he's second ballot Hall of Fame or first doesn't matter. He's gonna be in the Hall of Fame. And guy, you, I think every fight is important to him. And like I asked him in the fighter meeting, I go, why are you successful in rematches when a lot of fighters, you know, struggling rematches. He says, well, you know it sounds simple, but I just work harder and I check

out what I did wrong. He goes, and I asked him, I said, so what are you gonna do different in this fight, in this trilogy, getting better shape, getting better shape, you do over a thousand punches. I go, what I mean, that's not what's gonna change, you know, So just strategy and knows though, you know, and you know when you're in fights, if you're not in the right condition, you might be throwing a lot of punches, but you know

when you're not up. He said, he didn't close out strong, and he's right and you're right round and then he had to deal with the last two. Why Like I said, if if he's gonna come in better condition in this fight than he did the last fight, I mean, this is gonna be the fight of the year. I was talking to Chocolate Tito this week, and you know, if he wins, there's really entertaining options for him at one fifteen, Like you could fight the winner of the Josh Franco

fight coming up over in Japan. You could fight Bam Rodriguez at some point next year. These are big money fights for him. But he told me he wanted to move to one eight team fight, and I look, I know what you're gonna say, and I agree with you. Like my nightmare for Chocolate Tito is if like in a way unifies gives Chocolate Tito a fight against him in the early next year, and it's Chocolateito in a way in like Japan, and that ends so badly for Gonzalez, so badly that I don't want to see it. I

mean other fights. But unless that fight, because just barely cracked a million dollar paiday right, he's right around there, he's right around there, right, So he barely cracked it. Unless and he's fought in Japan before, so I'm sure they love him out there, and they love the smaller way closes Mr Honda over there. So so unless they make that man a for he can't refuse, I would say, when whatever it is, man, I just think they make

him an offer you can't refuse. And then I would say, yeah, take take it for the money and make sure this is your last fight. When loser draw off until the sunset, you have an amazing, incredible career that everyone's gonna worship. You know, the ground he walks on for the next you know, twenty years. When loser draw Yeah, if he's gonna take that, do it just for the money, because if you're gonna have fifty plus fights. You come into the box. Fighters come into boxing and become world champions

and to make a lot of money. This man became a world champion in four divisions and he's made okay money, especially for Nicaragua. But to make that life changing money, I think it's worth the risk. When I watched in a way just flattened down there, that maybe thinks like I don't want to see Chuckle like that. We've seen I think like that before. I don't want to see him in his career getting pulverized by one of the biggest punchers in that divisions. Just from for three million dollars,

I would let Wilder knocked me out. I mean, maybe not Wilder, but now listen it just we were in this for championships and money, Mannix and and and Latito would be barely cracked the seven figure mark. If they're gonna make him a ridiculous hopper like that, you gotta take it. We're in it for we're price fighters, man, you gotta take that opportunity, all right. Anything to say to your fans in your final podcast, This is my final podcast, And I mean what I say, and I

meant what I mean. So I'm gonna drop the mic. Now. We'll see you next week and when we come back. My conversation with Tyson Fury. All right, Tyson Fury is the Lineal, w BC, and Ring Magazine heavyweight champion. He will defend those titles on December third, he takes on Derek Tosa. I was writing that, Tyson, I wondered which of those titles, Lineal, w BC, Ring Magazine means the most to you? Um, the title being alive, I'm well means more to me than all of those titles well together.

You know, bosting is one thing, but being helped, being alive is better than all of it come together. But all of those titles are very fantastic. Be a Lineal champion, WBC champion, it's fantastic. You know. It's a great honor and a great che even for anybody. And I wear them with pride. When you beat you do, when you beat Vladimir Clitsko several years ago to win your first heavyweight title titles, I guess what was that moment like for you? It was a great moment. It was like

an Everest moment. I've reached my Everest and I've achieved all my dreams and I want everything. I want every belt apart from the WBC Pat Night. I became the unified everywhere champion in the world. UM, and it was like it was it was a gigantic moment in my life. It was an everest um Summat climbed and it was everything I dreamed of. So you're back now, second fight this year. You have said, if all goes well, you'll have three fights next year. It wasn't too long ago, Tyson,

that you were saying you're retired from boxing. What's changed for you? Nothing? I might retire after this next fight. You know. I don't know how long I've got left. I don't know what tomorrow will bring, you know, Tyson theories crazy motherfucker. One Monte is here, the next minute he's gone. I could be in morek on one minute in Mandalaide Bay than next Who knows, you know, I never, I never, I never take anything for granted. I'm just happy that I'm active now and I'm back fighting next

week and looking forward to a fantastic fight. And we'll see. I might get knocked out cold in that fight. Don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. Um, Oh yeah, we'll see just one fight at a time, um, and we'll say, we'll see the all dancing destroyers, still got through the day's left in him, and we'll see what he can do. So do you feel like in your mind you can walk away from boxing or will boxing almost have to force you out? No? I can walk

away from boxing, you know. Um. I just feel like I've got a bit more left in me to give. Um. And we'll see, We'll see what happens. You know. You kind of take one day at a time and one fight at a time, and I think every fighter will know when it's done, when it's over. I say, I fail after this this fight, which is aura if it's if it's over, it's over. No point getting brain damage or whatever. So you know, we'll see this. This is why I just I've come back with no no big

lofty ambitions. I just want to take one fight at a time and see where I am after each of the individual fight. What is what does a retired Tyson Fury do? What? What is what does your life look like as a retired man? So I think I'm going to set up a used car sales. I'm becoming a used car salesman because I'm I'm very I meant cars like I'm very passionate about cars and stuff. I always have been. I've always bought and sold cars my whole life as a kid. Um, and I think that that

would give me purpose. You know, I don't think even if you have a trillion dollars in the bank, you can't just go setting a bee tree, eat up all day every day because there's no purpose in that life. And at thirty four or thirty five, wherever old I'm going to be, when I walk away, it's like, what do we do after that? We're going boxing, promoting, to go into whatever. I don't know, but we'll see. I'm

quite passionate about cars. So maybe I have a day job like selling cars or whatever as a salesman, used car salesman, and by night I have a vigilant job like batman. I don't know. I like it. Fury Automotives, I like that. As your post fighting career, Um. Talk about this fight coming up against Derek Tessa. You had to deal with some criticism about choosing Tosa as your opponent. Why do you think you were criticized for it. I'm not sure it's the criticize it's coming from people who's

never the fight in the life. I've never won zero world titles, so that that criticism doesn't really mean a lot to me. To everybody in boxing knows that it's going to be a good fight and two good, good fighting men, both both fighting top ten. We're gonna give them what they want to say. Yeah, I think you know you tried to make a Nusi fight. You tried to make a Joshua fight. You could have made a fight against someone else that was less known. But at least this feels like a big fight in the UK,

just so is still a big name in the UK. Oh, yeah, this is this is a big fight. We're sold like sixty eight thousand tickets already, we're a week out, so it's a big fight for sure. We're looking forward to p on a great show for the Funds. And everybody knows Derek and everybody knows me in this country. Derek's like a folk hero and so am I. So when we both get together it's always an occasion for the Funds. Last thing for you, you have gone back and forth

and the Anthony Joshua for a while. Recently you called Joshua coward. Do you believe he's a coward? I do. I do believe he's a coward because he had the opportunity to fight me on the third of December and he declined, and now I'm fighting Zora instead. So there's a lot of money involved, not that money is everything, because you know, when you have a lot of money, like Joshua has already, then when extra few heroes and his bank balance won't really change his life. So it's

probably not about money. It's more about like what does he do to loses again and all that sort of stuff. But that's not the mentality. You have a spartan, and I can only deal with spartans. I can't deal with business man because all all my business siders ship like who said, what said? She said, this said, and this amount of that amount, this location has. Don't get involved. I'm like, how much am I getting? Where is he? And whom I'm fighting? I've got me back, The trainers

are on and I'm ready to fucking rumble. Let's go. That's all I want to know. I don't want to know any any other business options. I want to know ship. I want to know how much I'm getting and where is it? And let me at him, let me knock him out, and you're not messing with that type of fighter in a j You could ask this all the time. But as you sit here right now, do you believe in three we'll see Fury Joshua? I don't. I just think once you're a coward, you ain't gonna fight anybody.

I don't think he'll fight Wilder either. I do not think he'll fight Wilder. I don't think you'll fight me. He probably only thought said because he was a light bunch in Cruise Away and he didn't think he could get knocked out or whatever. I hear he's looking to do a rematch with Dillian White. He's desperate for that rematch. I don't know why, but um yeah, so you've gotta have confidence to take on the biggest challenges and the men it. I don't see him stepping up to the place.

But again, none of my business at all what they do. My business is Derek Zura and I'm in the fight game and that's what we're doing. Boom. I can't believe we might get Fury versus Wilder for before we get Joshua versus Wilder. I can't believe there might be a fourth fight with you and Deontay Wilder and or is this crazy a lot? Uh, it's crazy, you know, but you know you never you never come tell what's going to open around around the corner and heavy right pomps too.

You see it so often, but you rarely see one person fight the other one four times. Not since the days of like cate la motto versus sugar. Yeah, long long time, but that that had did happen a lot back in those days. Tyson, appreciate your time. Man. You can catch Tyson Fury December three on the US in the US on ESPN plus, over the UK on pay per view. Thanks for joining me, man, always good to catch up. Thank you all of us when we come back.

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Time now for this week's picks, brought to you by fan Duel and I almost had a huge weekend last weekend. I went big and I told you to go big on Jermaine Franklin against Dillian White, and by like the eighth round, I was sitting there counting my money. I

was sitting there thinking what am I gonna do? With my winnings off a thirteen to one underdog, because I told you that Jermaine Franklin was a live dog, and I told you that Dillian White was not the fighter he used to be after getting knocked out two of the last three times. I'm not upset about the decision because I thought the right guy. One thought two judges scored it wrong, but I thought the right guy won that fight. Still, those are the myths that just kill you.

Had Jermaine frankt for the win, that would have been a big bet. But I do it all over again because that was worth throwing some money behind. That was worth taking a shot at. This weekend a little more high profile, You've got one Francisco Estrada Chocolate Tito Gonzalez Part three super flyweight title on the line in Arizona. Chocolate Tito right now is a minus two favorite over at Van Duel. That's the bet that I like Estrada

plus one seventy two. This has the potential to be a very close fight, but I like the momentum that Gonzalez is coming into this fight with. He is coming off a dominant performance against Julius Martinez, whereas in his last fight Estrada, he struggled with a lesser fighter in R. G. Cortez. So I like Gonzalez to win. How does he win? I like him winning by decision. This is where he can make a little bit more money. Minus one oh five for Gonzalez by decision. According to FanDuel, these guys

have fought four rounds together. There have been moments where both of them have been stunned, but no real moment when either of them has been heard. I think they know each other well enough by now that this fight is going to go to a decision. So take Gonzalez to win, Take him to win by decision. If you want to throw another bet in there, take this fight going the distance. Another one that doesn't have the greatest of odds, but I think this is a mortal lock

to go the full twelve rounds. Those are my picks, brought to you by FanDuel. That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Sergio Mora and Tyson Fury for joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate review this podcast on Apple, podcast, Spotify, wherever you download podcast, and I'll see you next week.