Boxing with Chris Mannix - Catastrophe for Conor Benn

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the boxing landscape shifted on Wednesday of this week. Before Wednesday, the biggest storyline in boxing was Connor Ben versus Chris you Bank Jr. A family feud taken to the next generation. Two rivals facing off with history behind them. You've got the son of Nigel Ben the son of Chris you Bank Jr. Two fighters that fought two excellent fights in the early ninety nineties. They were set to square off on Saturday as that rivalry passed on to another generation.

It was supposed to be a huge event. Oh two Arena in London was sold out. Eddie Hearn, the promoter, was talking about the fight doing over a million pay per view buys. Everyone was excited about it. We were going to talk about it, break it down from every angle. And then on Wednesday everything changed. Connor Ben he tested positive for clomaphine, which is a banned substance known to

increase testosterone levels in men. On Thursday, you had the British Boxing Board of Control announcing that they would not sanction this fight, that they would in fact prohibit this fight from happening, and then late on Thursday you had the news that this fight was going to be postponed. So now it is a totally different story. It is all about Connor Ben, what happened and the future of Connor Ben. So I want to bring in a couple of guys that I'm sure we'll have unique perspectives on this.

Audio Ladipo is a long time broadcaster, part of the Zone broadcast team over in the UK as well. He's had his boots on the ground all week long. I've been covering this event and the subsequent fallout backwards and forwards. He joins me. Sergio Mora forward Junia middleweight champion to ZONN broadcaster, good friend of the podcast, he is here as well, and Audio, I want to start with you. You've been there all week long. You've watched this whole

uh fiasco unfold over the last couple of days. Take us inside what's been going on over in the UK this week. It's been um, it's been crazy, It really has been. It's it's the mood has changed. It started as a surprise, the mont of you, just because they build up for the last month has been fantastic, right,

It's really captured the public's imagination. I think as as a sports, boxing always seems to struggle against I guess in America, you know American football and basketball and baseball, and over here it struggles to compete against football soccer. So when it does compete, you jump on the bandwagon. And a lot of people have jumped on the bandwagon just because of obviously the name and you guys will understand the history between the fathers, and everyone's been really excited.

So it started as a surprise, like what this must be a joke? Two anger, how has this happened until I guess where we are today, which is just disappointment, like disappointment that the fights now off, which I think is right, and I guess we'll touch on that, but also disappointment for the undercard fighters and Surgio will understand this.

Guys that are not going to get paid. Guys and girls, sorry, they're not going to get paid, that have spent thousands on camps and I guess contractually, and I spoke to a few of them, if they don't weigh in, they

don't get paid. Um, these are these are guys and girls that don't have big sponsors that sort of live paycheck to paycheck when it comes to boxing, and there extremely upset um I to pursue Banks promoted Kellie Soland today and he was as angry as you can be if I'm honest to view, just because this fight generates a lot of money for them. Not only does it generate a lot of money, generates a lot of interest and that's what they're trying to do with Christy Bean Junior.

So everyone's upset. There's a number of different broadcasters who have, you know, sort of committed to the fight and they're very upset. And again everyone's just angry here, Chris, because this is the fight we were looking forward to in terms of sort of the magnitude of it. It sold out the O two Arena, which the twenty thousand seat seat to arena here in minutes gone, tickets gone, big name superstars from the water of Entertainment were going to

be ringside. This was it. This was the zones first pay per view event in the UK with Mattrium. Obviously they've done the care so I want, but with mattrim So everything was all systems go. And for it to be pulled two days before that, it's just a disappointment for everyone. Sergery, what was your reaction to Carter Ben's part of test? It was terrible. I was disappointed because I think the world of Connor. Then we talked about, you know, how how great of a star. You know,

he's gonna be the potential. He has his recent knockout victories. Uh, every every performance is getting better and better and better. And uh, he has the looks, and he has the ability, he has the charisma, which is something you can't teach, and he just looks good on camera, and he looks good knocking guys out. But this is just a bad look on him and his reputation because you can't just dust this off. The thing about cheating is, you know,

it's always going to be that that scarlet letter. It's always gonna be branded that your name is always going to be attached to it. No matter how great you become from here on, there's always gonna be critics. I say, yeah, but he tested you know, positive for so and so in two thousand twenty two. Uh, there's always gonna be a suspicion. So, just like when any criminal does anything wrong,

it's always gonna have that record. It's always gonna be on his record, so he's gonna have that blemish, And sadly to say, no matter where Connor Benning goes from here, whether he donates money, whether he comes back and does VOTA testing for all his tests and apologizes to the fan, this is all he can do. But he's still going to have that stigma of, man, you cheated, You cheated us on a big night where it should have been

historic and we just didn't get it. And the closer gets to the fight, like Adio was talking about, the worst it hurts. I've been there before. I have two championship fights canceled the week of the fight and it tears you up. Man x, I can't even imagine what the undercard UH fighters are doing a feeling as well, especially if they have a travel abroad. It's a disaster for everybody, all because of a lie, All because a fighter decided to take a shortcut, and in boxing there

is no fucking shortcuts. Man, I can cuss here, so I'm piste off. I want to unpack something with you, because this was a positive test that was reported in the Daily Mail that came out on Wednesday over in the UK, but this was not a test that was reported in real time. It didn't happen this week. It happened according to Kellie Serlind, the co promoter of this event, in late August or early September, and after it happened, the two sides were notified by VADA, which is required

to notify both sides whether there is a positive test. UM. So it strikes me that if The Daily Mail doesn't report this, that this fight would be happening on Saturday, because both sides we're told about the test, both sides discussed it, they elected to move forward with the christ You Bank Jr. Said he would continue on with the fight. Um. It just seems like if the Daily Mail doesn't report this story, then the fight happens and maybe we never find out about the positive test of Connor Ben. Is

that how you interpret this? Yeah? Absolutely, And look, I mean for someone that sort of works on the broadcast, I feel like my position and it's been very difficult in the last couple of days because look, obviously we all worked for the Zoe and I I report on the fights for Matt from and I've been in a different position where I'm like, one second, okay, let's understand

this and unpack it. Chris You Banks Senior, Connor's sorry, Christi Bank's dad has been sort of away from this event, and every time I spoke to see Christi Mank Jr.

Said like, where's your father? What's what's going on? Because Nigel ben has been with Connor Benning camp and he's like, well, you know, my dad is not really wanted to get involved in A couple of days ago, um, CHRISI Bank Senior spoke to a former fight called Spencer Fearing that works for another broadcast, and he said, boycott the event. And I was like, what's going on? Like boycott the event? And I initially thought he was talking about the weight cut.

I was like, okay, look, you know, I get it. The weight cuts are tough cut, but come on, let's calm down a bit. He clearly knew about this from a month ago, and he was clearly not wanting to be a part of what he called a circus act, and he's not been wanting to be a part of it for a month for whatever reason. He couldn't explain why, whether that be an n DA or whatever, but it was obviously about this, so they've clearly known about this, and I think that's what has really angered a lot

of people. I mean, they've gone on TV to try and promote it, they've done a red carpet event. Well all whilst they've been doing all this, behind the scenes, there's been a fell drug tist and I think, look, Eddie is one of the greatest speakers in the world.

I think Eddie uh Kelly from Westernan Boxing, Connor and Chris are going to have to answer a lot of tough questions now that we know about this, in the next couple of days, because I think personally that's and you know, now I know that we're allowed to swell. I think that's a fucking disgrace. And I think I think it's a disgrace that voter of flagged someone and

everyone should trying to sweep this under the carpet. And I think the boxing and we we all cover the sport, it's it's you know, we always try to defend the sport, but this is indefensible. Someone has popped for something and you guys just trying to continue an event. And I get it, it's a big money event and everyone wants to get paid, but to continue like nothing has happened, and for the Daily Mail paper to come and report it.

If it didn't. If the Daily Mail didn't report this, we would have a fight on Saturday and no one would have known that a fighter have test depositive for something that's on the badness Sergio, this is not the first time that a promoter has tried to plow ahead with an event after a positive test. I was in New York back in two thousand and twelve when Danny Garcia fought Eric Morales after Morales tested positive for a

band substance. Or recently we had Oscar Valdez is title defense UH that went ahead against Ropes and can say so after Veldez tested positive for a band sub So this this happens, um But as a fighter, do you have a problem with a promoter kind of pushing ahead with an event like this? Because what Connor Ben took is a p D. It is a performance enhancer. This drug for men, is a testosterone booster for women. It is a fertility drug for men. It has no medical application,

and repeat that it has no medical application. It is a testosterone booster that bodybuilders have used in the past that some M M A stars have used in the past, So he was taking something to give him an extra benefit going into this fight. So, as a fighter, how do you feel about a promoter trying to go forward with an event like this after a positive test. Well, it's a slippery slope. He romantics, because look, I can only speak as a fighter. I can tell you how

a fighter feels. Now you're talking about you know, these are different shoes to feel. I don't know how a promoter supposed to feel. He his job. I'm gonna get to that. A promoter, you gotta understand, you know, he needs to do whatever it takes to save the show. You know, they have their own you know, struggles, and they have their own morals and own scruples, but they gotta put on a show and they're they're don't have bad reputations like dog King had a bad reputation for

a long time, Bob Baram. Everyone has a lot of bad things to say about a lot of promoters, but they have a job to do and that's put on the show no matter what, as long as it all clears with the commission. So I get what they're doing. As a fighter, I can tell you right now, if I was the opponent, if Al was Chris you Banks

the opponent, I would still want to fight. I didn't want to throw away at camp and all the money I spent in the camp with the sparring partners, all the time that I that I sacrifice with my family, get down to a weight that I'm not comfortable in. All these things aren't gonna go out the window just because of a phild dug test. I would have said, fuck it, bring it on, let's go. It would have been similar to like when all did from on the Bargains Now the wargat pop Pop Positive and Ascaria Poetic

Justice beat the ship out of him. Not only did he beat the hell out of a drug user and a cheap but he beat the hell out of him knowing that that that he was all ripped up. We've never seen from on the Bargains that ripped He looked like Honor Men looks on his Instagram videos. But it as a fighter, I can tell you all it all comes down to what type of person you're dealing with. If it would have been me, I would have said, I don't care, man, let's go, just you know, give

me of your purse. Let's get it on somehow, some way. Let let the show go on, because you know it's still still a big fight. A lot of people are gonna be disappointed. Yes, I'm I'm bending my morals, but I'm still gonna get the chance to kick the ship out of this cheater, So you know, it could be poetic justice and I can still get paid. I get that perspective. I respect that perspective. As a fighter, you want to get paid for the work you put in.

You do two months of a hard camp. Of course, you want to find a way to make the fight happens. You get that money into your pocket. But Ada, a promoter has got to be more responsible, doesn't he. A promoter has to be looking out for the health of these fighters. I mean, Connor Ben isn't just beating guys. He's beating guys viciously. The Chris Algery knockout, the Chris

van here to knock out. Can you imagine if this fight went forward and Connor Ben badly hurt Chris, you bank like, did something to him that had long a long term effect, and then it was reported after the fact that they knew that Connor Bennett tested positive for a band substance. That's the kind of thing that people could go to jail for. It's that serious. So promoters like it just feel is like a big risk for them to take. I know there's a lot of money

on the line. I know there's a lot of steak, but when you have a guy that tests positive or something like this, it just feels like too big a risk to move forward with with an event. Yeah it is.

And and this this is why it needs to be out the hands of the promoters and the fighters um because the promoters that surgeoys said, they're in it for and and look some might say rightly so to make it as much money as possible for a the broadcasters themselves and the fighters for the fighters like Surgerys said, you've had a in Chris you Bank's case, a two month camp. You want to get paid, you know. I mean we're hearing a fee of around maybe three and

a half million pounds for Christian Bating Junior. I want that money. I want that money. I signed on the dotted line pay me because I've done everything I could do. This is where the governing body, so the British Boxing would have Control need to take sort of step in and say, okay, look, we have found that there was an adverse finding. We're calling this off so we're not leaving it to the hands of Eddie Hearn Mattrium to

Zone was Simon boxing the fighters. We're doing it as the governing body and we're saying no. And they didn't. Obviously they have subsequently. This is only a couple of days ago, but they would have known about that adverse finding when we Siman and Mattrium found out, which we're

hearing now is about a month ago. They should have been the ones that kind of put their foot forward and said, okay, look the fights off because you're right, the promoters aren't going to do it, and I in in the horrible world, I understand why, and the fighters aren't going to do it. The fighters just want to fight. I mean we've you know, Surgery spoke about the situation with Argus and Oscar Delois. He also remember the Antonio margherity O shame Mosey thing when they found him to

applaster Paris in his hands. But they still went ahead because fighters want to fight. So British Boxing Board of Control needed to step in and just handle this situation better, and they didn't. It was they handed it awfully and they they they need to be kind of held up in court as well, if you like, because the way in which they've dealt with this situation the last sort of month now has been ridiculous. Ad I want to

follow up on something, uh. You mentioned that Connor Ben is going to have to answer some tough questions over the next few weeks. The toughest, or at least the most significant one, is how this substance got into his system. What I found interesting this week is that you did not hear an explanation from either Eddie Hearn or Connor Bent.

And that's interesting because again, this was a test result that they have known about for several weeks now, and you would think that over the course of a few weeks they would have tried to find out what it was, or at least have come up with something that might be believable in the events something like this happened. But you didn't get that, and Connor Ben is going to have to explain it because this is a serious substance.

To my knowledge, and I admit I'm not a nutritionist or a doctor whatever, but my Internet research and what I'm reading from other experts suggests that this is the kind of substance that only gets into your system in some kind of pill form. So the usual excuses, the tainted meat, the tainted herbal t the lace supplement, all the things that you often hear from fighters who test

positive for banned substance. It's gonna be tough to sell that if you're Connor Ben, and that's gonna be something he's gonna have to to to sell to the public. If he's going to restore his reputation, He's gonna have to come up with something believable, isn't he Yeah, And you know, you know what's scary is that you mentioned a few sort of statements he could through out there. He's not used any of those. And I'm like, well, and I said this, I'm a I'm a big fan

of kind of Ben. I think surgery Moore mentioned at the top, like, I'm a big fan of his dad, and just almost because of that, I'm a big fan

of kind of Ben. I've had him here in my studio, I've spoke to him sort of outside of boxing on numerous occasions, and it's been difficult for me, But I said kind of Ben needs to come out and say something, not a written statement which is obviously written by a lawyer from the He needs to come out and saying how that got into his system needs to whether or not we believe it or understand it, he needs to

do it. The idea of just sort of going home, shutting the door and closing the curtains isn't gonna work here because a lot of people have spent a lot of money, not just buying tickets what you're gonna get a refund for, but traveling abroad to watch this fight. I know people that have booked hotels. They're not getting that money back. There's fans of kind of Bend that have brought his merchandise. You need to come out and

say what's going on. The idea of just sort of hiding and that's kind of what he's doing here, hiding behind social media isn't gonna work. You've spent a long time building up this fantastic reputation and becoming this new star of boxing. That's all crumbling beneath you right now unless you come out and say something. And I think sometimes silence is the worst thing. The fact you're not saying anything, almost as a sign of guilt. The fact that you can't think of something to say is a problem.

And I know you. You mentioned Eddie and this isn't an Eddie Heard issue. Eddie herns the promoter that there's Connor Ben's got his own team. I've sort of been to all of Connor Ben's fights and there's a team of about twenty that were Connor Bent tracks suits. Someone from that team has got to say something. It's all well and good when Connor is winning and you're wearing the nice Connor Bend bling tracksuits. Now what about Now, now there's a problem one of you in that team.

You have to come out and say something. If you don't, then, as a SURGEO said, your name is in the mud. Your name is in the mud forever. I mean, the big star in boxing Canello still struggles start to kind of find these way of that Colum brutual issue three years ago, so two years ago, it doesn't escape you. And Connor is not as big as as as Cannello. So unless Connor releases the statement in the next and I'm talking to video statement, not a stupid Twitter statement.

Unless he releases them for your hours. There's gonna be big problems. I had big, big problems. Two things I want to touch on that. Hold hold on, Chris, two things I don't want to touch on that. I mean, as always, you articularly nailed it on the money and the blutter. However, you say that Cannello was founded with in that tainted meat. Slight traces of that is still allowed, you know, uh, in in the PD testing, but slight testing of this drug. This, this fertility drug that's not allowed.

So you know you can actually maybe you know, not sweeping under the rug, but explain a slight trace of something, but this you cannot. That's one and and and and too. Yes, I agree with you. He has to come out and say something. Wouldn't it be something amazing if he can be the first athlete in any sport to come on and say yeah, I did it, not hide behind anything. Say you know what, I attempted to cheat. I'm a young man, I'm ambitious, I want the world or something stupid.

Can you imagine you know, all the hater he would get, of course, but then all the respect you would you get my respect? He would get my respect. And he said, you know what, this this kid, this young man manned up and admitted something that ninety nine point nine d percent of fighters and athletes have never done. Not one fighter has ever come on and said, you know what, yeah, man,

I try to cheat. Connor Ben could do the first and I think he can mend up and get some kind of dignity back that he can actually do that. But he won't. But serchio, do you believe that he

would get his dignity back? I mean, look, I grew up in Boston and I can remember back in two thousand seven when Rodney Harrison was playing for the Patriots and Rodney Harrison admitted to taking human growth hormone because he wanted to accelerate the healing process in his leg yet a leg issue that he was going through when he took a four game suspension for it, but he said it was worth it because he was trying to heal his body. This was going to give him the

best shot to do it. That's one that's where admission makes some sense. But in boxing like this is serious, this is life or death stuff. If connor Ben comes out and says, yeah, I took it to give me an edge, I don't think people are going to be in a rush to forgive him. I don't think he's gonna gain any of his dignity back. It might even make people angrier because he should be admitted to taking something that could be used. It could be weaponized really

in a way. Uh. The other thing when it comes to Connor Ben is, look, if this is in his system now, it's probably not the first time he's taken it. I'm not basing that on any inside information. I just know that in general, the first time you are caught doing something wrong is most often not the first time

you have done something wrong. So while I agree with you in some circumstances, just saying you took drugs, whether Rodney Harrison or Andy Pettitt or any of these like baseball players or other athletes that have taken drugs, that it's generally worked out for them. But in boxing it just feels a little bit different. If it was any other p D, I would I would think manning up and being honest would would would actually clear the table.

But it was a fertility drug. Men don't take that unless they're trying to do something that you know, I don't know much of that's it. Yeah, you know, you know the biggest problem is sorry, of course you said. I think the biggest problem why I don't think people will forgive him if the man's up is because you try to drain Chris. You Maine Junior down to a

hundred and fifty seven pounds, so that's one thing. You then try to install a rehydration clause, which is another thing, and then on top of that you've now obviously been found guilty for taking a performance and nser and drug. I mean, is it not enough to drain Chris you mate Jr? Is it not enough to put a rehydration clause in? Is that not enough? I mean, this is the sport that we love, but we also all three of us understand the dangers of this sport. Is it

not enough to do those two things? But then you want to add almost a bit more on top. It's going to be very very difficult, especially over here in the UK. I don't know what it's like in the States, but over here in the UK it's very very difficult. There was a sprinter, cale Dwayne Chambers that we loved over here. He got caught and he got a four year band every time he ran on track after that four year band. He was booed like it never goes away.

It didn't go away. Connor Ben is one hundred times more famous than that guy because of his name value. It's going to be incredibly difficult to recover from this unless by some miraculous statement or video or something. He explained how it got any system and then it's up for us to decide whether or not we believe him or not. But again the silent daddie, I'm sorry interrupt, How can you how can a man, a young man have fertility drugs? I know it has a boostes to

start from, but fertility is not for men. I mean, I'm not a doctor, but how do you How does a young man explain the only way he can explain? And look, this is not me trying to find an excuse for Connor Ben, but I mean a lot of people are spoken about the the new and I don't know if you had one, Surgey, but the new strength and conditions that are now part of the sport of boxing.

Before you as a trainer and then used to go and do your road work and then train yourself, there's this new click of strength and condition and coaches that seemed to offer you whatever, like, hey, take that, Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes the boxes do the own due diligence as to what they're taken. You almost leave you trust the guys with absolutely. I've been part of that, especially at the end of my career. And I wish I could say their names because people will know who

I'm talking about. But at the end of my career, Uh, those were offered to me, and I just didn't want to risk everything that I accomplished for one or two fights and one or two pay days. But I'm not gonna say I didn't think about it. But it's just not worth it, man. And those guys are scumbags, you know, they're all they're all intelligent scumbags or weasels, and they know how to you know, you know, use chemistry and hide it and bring it out of your system and

and all that other stuff. It's not worth it, man, at it is not worth it. And if for some reason, Connor Ben or some of his team told him that it would, you know, maybe rationalized and told him that it would make it out of the system or or or maybe say that you can get away with it whatever, he still shouldn't have done it. Man. The only thing a fighters should do is run, train, eat well, drink water and and that's it. Man. You don't need to

put all this other stuff in your system. For two hundred years, man, fighters have been fighting without this all this science. Why do we need it all of a sudden, Why do we need all these chemistry? It's mano a mano. It's trained the best. You can drink your water, take vitamins, simple one a day. That's all I took for twenty years. You don't need everything else, man, Everything in boxing is

here here, And of course you know, yeah, yeah. I also think it is insane that so many of these nutritionists and sports scientists are disgraced drug sheets um people like Victor Conti, who was at the center of the Balco Barry Bonds scandal in the late nineties, in early two thousand's, people like Memo Heredia, whoever admitted that he was involved in doping uh years ago. Like these people

are now nutritionists in boxing. And it's bizarre because the idea they could infiltrate other sports like football or baseball or hockey on a regular basis is just it's nuts. But here they are in the sport of boxing, which is as always, uh the wild West up. I want to finish with you what has this done to Connor Ben's reputation in the UK? What we're was the perception of him before all this and what is the perception

of him now? Well, we looked at him as that next star before, right, I mean, we understand that we're coming to an end with sort of our heavyweight stars, Tyson, fury A, j These are guys that went into the thirties and you know, we're looking for that next guy that can feel stadiums eventually maybe go to America and cause some problems over there. And he just seemed to have it. Oh, he has the look in his last few performances, he has the knockout victories. He speaks so

well on the mic, and that was it. That was our star right away was looking for. You guys have got Javonte and Ryan Garcia. He's our version of that, someone that understands the new age of social media. He's got a YouTube channel. He literally ticks every single box in terms of what we want our boxing star to look like. Right now, his names in the mud. I mean, I can't imagine what he's going through. And look, whether or not I should feel so for him is another question.

But I can't imagine what he's going through. Looking on social media right now, people are genuinely angry, and it's the wrong people. And what I mean by that it's people that have got a million Twitter followers and they're saying stuff and then everyone's jumping on board. I mean, I work for a radio station called Talk Sport and they've absolutely destroyed him over here, and it's gonna take it's It's literally I almost feel like it's an impossible

job to mend it. And I hope it's not because I don't want his career at what is to be over now. It's gonna take a wall for people to forgive him because we were looking forward to this one. This was our fire, this was almost our super Bowl within and it's now done and it's difficult. You can you guys imagine over there You're super Bowl being ended. It's difficult for our super Bowl to kind of go

like this. So people are angry, people disappointed. I want to say people move on quickly, but not from this. They won't move on quickly from this at AOL. So good luck to his team trying to repair the damage because it's gonna take a while. Sergio, I'll give you the last word of this. How does Connor ben move forward? How does he reclaim his reputation? Is it about going into year round testing? Is it about going into like weakly blood testing, Uh, turning into the most transparent athlete

when it comes to drug testing in boxing history. How in your mind does he move forward? I think the last word added just summed it up perfectly. He summed it up perfectly. Um my advice, admit what you did, Admit what you did, ask for the public's apology, and and and and and just say that you'll do better. We're all human, we all mess up. We all try to get an advantage somehow, some way, but you know legally, but in a in a blood sport and a dangerous sport.

Uh yeah, you can't take shortcuts. So you just either got a man up or find another job to do. Man, Because as at A so eloquently put it, it's gonna be very hard. And he let he disappointed a lot of people that put all their faith and trust and him being the next superstar, and he just shot those dreams down. And it just spirits. You know, fans, it takes away, It just leaves a bad taste in their mouth. And then when they see your face, or they see your posts, or they see your next fight, or they

they just don't like it anymore. So I would say, man up, admit what you did, say you're human, and move on. What is the damage control look like for counter Bend, Well, I think they started already, right. I know that obviously felt VADA testing, but over here we have UK, which is UK anti doping. Um. Since obviously this VADA test had been felled and again we're led to believe it was about a month ago. He's done a lot of UK anti dope in tests and it's

come about all negatives. So they've already started the damage controls. So I think it's a case of year round sort of random UK testing, maybe doing and signing up to VARDA again. Um. And that's the only way, honestly, it's the only way. I mean, Eddie and Kelly made sure sort of making sure that I knew that it had been postponed this event as opposed to it being canceled. So they are looking at putting this event on again

very soon. There's no two ways about it, whether or not the public are gonna like it as another thing. But they made sure in their statements and I think everyone can read their statements online at this event has been postponed, not canceled. So I think they're already starting their damage control full year round, random you cat testing and then we move forward. I think it's a bit too soon to do what they're trying to do. But these are promoters and I'm just a guy that works

for the broadcaster. Yeah, in this new wage, the event might be uh postponed or canceled, but his reputation, it's probably canceled, you know, especially now that social media and everything travels around the world so fast. It's gonna be very hard man, as you put it, very hard for him to get. And that's why I know times going to Skuy's apologies, but that's why he needs to release a statement and explain how and why. The longer he waits,

Chris Sergio, the worst it gets. I mean, I'm I'm guilty of that myself sometimes and just shutting the curtains. This isn't a shot in the curtain moment. This is literally opening the curtain and explaining what happened. If he continues to hide behind statements, then I guess the bigger the problem gets. Yeah, it's a tough week for boxing.

It's a tough week for cornor Ben. It's a tough for boxing fans who are once again talking about something that doesn't have anything to do with what happens in the ring. And for Connor Ben, I think we all agree he's got a lot of work to do if he's going to reclaim the respect of boxing fans, of his peers and make people believe that, as he says,

he is a clean athlete. Addiol Adipo broadcaster over in the UK with The Zone, Sergio Mora, former Junia middleweight champion, to ZONN broadcaster Fellas appreciate the time and perspective as always, Jas guys, cheer when we come back my conversation with Chris al Jerry. All Right, So the big news this week, of course Connor Ben testing positive for a band substance. Canceling or postponing, I guess is the more accurate word.

His upcoming fights against Chris you Bank Jr. Ben has been a rising prospect for several years now, and he's beat some notable names in that time. One of them Chris alt Jerry, former forty pound champion who lost to Connor Ben last December. And I wanted to bring Chris to the show because I'm curious how opponents of Connor Ben are feeling in this moment after the news broke that he tested positive for this bands up. So Chris,

thanks for joining me. Man. Um, let's let's start there. Um. You know when you heard about the positive test, what was your reaction? So, Um, I woke up to it yesterday morning. You know, I've been a full twenty four hours or thirty hours past when I first actually heard about it, um, And honestly, my very first thought was I'm not surprised. You know, I had heard mutterings when

I was getting ready fight him. I had mutings around that fight week from people who are in over over across the seas, and then I had heard it post you know. So, but I always give fighters and competitors the benefit of the doubt. If I don't know for sure that I'm never gonna mention that I'm never gonna call anybody, even if I suspect them or not. But now now that it comes to to light, um, you know it makes you think, and you know it sucks. I don't I don't want to think about other fighters

that way. I don't want to think about situations that happened the past. But you know, it's hard not to. It's it's impossible not to. Yeah, I mean when you look at this situation, you said you're not surprised, So you did have concerns about Connor Ben going into your fight. Absolutely, you know that. I know there's a lot of hype around him. Um, I knew who was a young fighter.

I knew I was his first big step up fight, and you know there's a lot on his shoulders in order to perform, you know, perform the way that it needs to. But I mean that the writing was on the wall. If you look at his body, the way it's changed from even the Corndos fight to my fight, you know, which are only four months apart. You know, the differences was was visible. And that's hard to do, you know, in in such a short period of time, when you've been trying at a high level for for

a while. Um, you know that's one thing. But again it's yeah, you never know, like everyone's body is different. But now it's just it just makes you rethink everything that you thought leading up to it and what you had heard. Um. Yeah, and I had heard from from multiple sources that that you know that he was not

a clean a clean fighter. Um you know. So now again it's just it's this this comes to light now and just it just makes you think, Yeah, and you were you were stopped in that fight, and it was a scary knockout the way, Um you were knocked out. As you look back on that knockout now, I mean do you think that, Look, I was stopped by a guy that was taking something like what do you how

do you feel about that knockout? Now? Well, even leading up to the fight, like, I've never seen anything on video watching him, I've never seen that kind of power. Never expected that, didn't didn't wasn't worried about that kind of thing happening. Lest I'm always worried about a fight. Any punchkin can ENTI fight at any time. Um, And whether it was or it wasn't, you know, I wasn't worried about that. I didn't. I didn't see that kind

of power in him. I didn't. I didn't listen. I've been bring Manu Pat yea, I what Errol sp and so I've been Ruslan Rovannikov, you know, really really scary punchers and the kind of guys who have, um, you know, done a lot of damage in the ring. And I just didn't I didn't see that. I didn't. I didn't think that that was even an option. Um, you know, so when it came out of nowhere, I mean I was obviously I was surprised. Um, you know, I didn't expect it, and but I just I wasn't expecting that

kind of thing even going into the fight. You know, when you when you signed for a fight, you look at your opponent, you look at how you're going to stand up, you look at the things you need to work on. You know. I have always been an analyst, you know, I analyzed the fighters getting ready for my own fights, and now I analyze fighters as a broadcaster,

So I know what I'm looking at. I never saw that kind of power, especially one punch shot like that, Um, even in the fight before Gronado's and Gronaus is a great chance he's a super tough guy. I'm literally taking nothing away from him. He didn't show that kind of explosiveness and one one punch power at all. What was the drug testing like for your fight? We pissed on a cup after the fight. That was it. So no advanced testing for for your fight with Connor Ben No,

no Vada, nothing of that. And listen, I'm I mean, I am a one of the wbc h randomly tested Vada athletes a year round. You can test me at anytime, but honestly, how often does that really happen? Not much. It's expensive to do, um because if they just show up where you're at, and it's very very rare. So um, yeah, no, there was, there was. There was no advanced testing other than the General Commission. Piano Cup. I know you've worked

with Eddie Hearn in the past. He has um suggested that the fight should have been allowed to go forward because, Uh, the u k a D tests did not pop Connor Bend, and they have jurisdiction when it comes to this type of stuff, and it was Vada that that pop Bend. How do you feel about that, about the fact that it was Vada not the uk D that nailed him.

It doesn't matter to you, No, it doesn't matter. I mean, if anything, I mean, I think a third party tester who doesn't really matter in terms of if the fight happens or not. It's probably better. Um, you know, we all use Vada. We all have at the highest level. You know, when I fought Many Packat, we use Vado. When I fac World Tide, we use Vada. So why would Voda not matter now? Um? Because the fight's happening over there, Like because you guys don't believe in Vada.

Like what does VADA have to stand to win or gain by by turning off such a huge fight or shutting down such a big fight that I don't know. If failed test the failed test drug is a drug. It's it's either or you are. It's like being pregnant. Either pregnant or you're not. There's no stunny pregnant. So you failed test, fail test. Yeah, you know it says something too that. I mean, if you you really can't say that, you know, you're saying the uk D tests

are not as good. That's Vadas. Like if Vada was the one that that caught him, then the VODA tests are the gold standard. And that's just the way it goes. I mean, I don't know, I don't I don't know the protocols of of either testing UM organization. UM. But I do understand the way that testing and drugs work, and you know, the guys who are developing these drugs, it's it's it's constantly turning over, they're constantly getting better.

It's technology. It's just the way it is. UM. And there's a lot more money and making better drugs than there is for making better tests that can that can figure out those drugs. So UM, you know, one could just be a day ahead of the other. It doesn't mean that one is UM isn't good, or is is whatever, but obsolete, its obsolete. If you're day late, you're or monthly, it doesn't matter. UM. So you know, I can't really speak to their protocols, but obviously it's one's catching something

that is there and one is not. There's there's an issue. So what should the punishment be for something like this? UM? It sure sounds like despite's gonna be rescheduled sooner rather than later. It may just be a matter of months, a couple of months before we see us you bank and counter bend in the ring. If you could sort of be boxing commissioner for a day, UM, what should the punishment be for Connor Ben for something like this,

a minimum a year minimum. And honestly, the argument for life is legit because depending on what you're doing, in terms of what kind of androwgen's kind of what kind of pets you're taking, what kind of pds you're taking, the physiological effect might never go away. You're getting an advantage for life in some instances. The tissue that you develop, the physiological changes that happen are real and they don't

go away because you stopped taking them. So again, looking at what the specific drug that you're getting you're getting napped for, should matter. But I don't think people are looking at it that closely, you know, for all intents of purpose, I think it's gonna get pushed back three months and then they're gonna fight again. It's gonna be no big deal because this is boxing. It's the wild Gold West. We let this kind of stuff happen all

the time. And this is why a lot of people question boxing and why you know, there's there's always the question markt always the black eye of boxing. But yeah, no, if you really look at a physiologically from a sports sports um physiology and sports medicine and sports science standpoint, life bands are are legitimate. You know what surprises me, Chris is that you know this. They've Connor Benn his

team have known about this test for weeks now. They had to know or had at least think at some point this was going to go public, and as we record this, there still has not been any kind of excuse floated. No herbal t excuse, no laced meat, no supplement that was tainted by this fertility drug. And that to me just tells they don't have one, Like they don't have anything that anyone would buy in the public, which is a big problem. Like Connor Ben is out

there on social media saying, I'm a clean athlete. Well, in my mind, explain how this got in your system. Then give me something I'll believe because you've had weeks and come up with nothing. Yeah. Well, in terms of the excuse, there won't be one because it's lied to you die. There's no reason for them to come out and say, oh, you know, like we didn't do this, that we messed up. That's never gonna happen again. Now I'm not gonna do that. They're gonna they're gonna they're

gonna deny it. Deny it, deny it, um, you know, because there's no upside, and and saying that you tried, you tried to do it and you got caught. Um, saying you made a mistake and I think got caught. Yeah. There. You know, there's people in the public could potentially be like, oh, well, you know he did me. It's okay, you know, he didn't mean to do it. It happened. But I don't believe any of that, you know, I don't. I don't

believe in any of that. As a as a professional athlete, a high level guy, someone was a team around him, was looking after everything you're doing. And Connor is not a dumb guy. He's he he knows exactly the stakes of what's going on, and he's he's very I have talked to him about this personally prior to us fighting, about how much he's aware of his nutrition in his body. He's a kind of prizes, especially with the drug that he popped for. There's no excuse, and that's why there

will not be one. You were gracious in defeat after your fight with Connor. Ben. You guys shared a moment the ring that was captured on camera. I'm sure you talked after that. How do you feel about Connor Ben now in the in the wake of this test, I pretty Ben to win this fight. I've been saying that I thought he was gonna go out there. I was rooting for the underdog. I wanted him to win. Um,

that's that's that's that's all gone. Now, that's that's this is. Listen, whether he was or he wasn't when he fought me, we'll never know. That will never come to life. The question will always be there, but it will never be known yes or no. But at the end of the day, I don't like cheaters, especially in this sport, and it means a lot to me. This sport means everything to me. So anyone who's willing to put the lives of their opponents on on the line that way, I can't. I

can't respect that. Do you think there's any come I mean, he's going to continue with his career right like this fight might only be pushed a couple of months up. And we have seen guys, whether it's John Pascal, Jarrell Miller. I mean, you even go back to the Klitch goes, I mean Vladimir klitsch Gold the Olympics back in the day, Like, guys, get past this? Is this the kind of thing you

expect Connor Ben to be able to get past? And if you were advising him, not that you'd want to on how to get past this, Like what would you say to him, um, in terms of moving his career forward. Listen, he's young and he has a long life and career ahead of him. Um. But a lot of it's can depend on what he does in his career because listen, winners win and winners get away with a lot. Money

talks in this sport. If you can keep winning, if you can keep being the man, if you can, if he he ends up fighting, you bank and he wins, and then he wins another big fight, and then he becomes this kind of champion, that kind of champion. These things will full to the wayside of back back backpack back back, but if there's any hiccup along the way, this will never be forgotten. So unfortunately, this is it. I am being as candid as possible. It's unfortunately the

way that the sport is. But that's that's that is the truth. Winners win and the money and the money talks. Yeah, always does, Chris. I appreciate your time, man, I know this must have been on your mind right away when this immediately popped up. Thanks for joining me. Yeah, yeah, anytime, anytime, Maxx said, always appreciate your time and when we come back. Undisputed lightweight Champion Devon Haney All right, Devin Haney is

the undisputed hundred and thirty five pound champion. He is back in Australia where on October he will defend his titles against George Campbosis Jr. In a rematch of the fight where Devon won his belts. Devon kind enough to join me from Australia where he's eating right now, so apparently waits not an issue at the moment for you. Devon. Oh wait, it's not an issue. You know. I'm ready to go, so I want to get into your fight

and being in Australia. But obviously the big news this week is Connor Band testing positive for a band substance. That fight against Christi Bank Jr. Now postponed for the foreseeable future. You're an athlete that takes takes your drug testing very seriously. Been enrolled in Vada for some time now. Um, what was your reaction when you first heard that Connor band At tested positive. Um, I knew when I seen that it was a it was a fertility. It was

like something for a fertility. I knew that it was you know too Booset's test toss around. So, um, we all know that. You know, I'm close with with Victor Conti and stank so um that's when I hit Victor. Could you was it was it intentional or was it? What? Do you what do you think it was? He said intentional? And I do feel like, you know, he was cheating, But I don't know is what it is? What? What? What can we do? I mean, this this is boxing,

happens and in all sports. But um, he got a cart you know you you mentioned what can we do? What should boxing do? What should happen to a fighter the test positively? I was talking to Chris al Jerry before uh you came on and look, Chris was understandably upset, like he got knocked out by Connor Ben in December of two thousand twenty one. Um, like, what should the punishment be in your mind for fighters that test positive? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not the board, I'm

not the commission. I can't really say but you know, I just I don't. I don't expect it. I don't think that is it's fair, especially because you know, you the brain isn't you know, made to be punched. It isn't it made to be hit. So you know, we were going there and we put our lives on the live. Um. You know, the least you could do is, you know, we put it on a you know, fair playing field. You know, mono the mono. Um, I don't know, I just don't. I just don't respect cheating and the sport

of boxing at all. You know, I don't expect cheating at all. But you know, in basketball, football, baseball, it's different. You know, you hit a home run, it's no harm to know nobody. You you you you tackle somebody, it's not as bad, but you know you when you punch somebody in the head, it's it's it's serious. Would you at this point in your career, would you ever fight anybody that wouldn't be enrolled in advanced testing? No? No, personally, Um,

you know, I take I take the testing serious. Um. Many times I have, you know, put my own money up for for the test and to make sure that it was done. When the promoters wouldn't do it. Um, you know, I I'm it's it's it's no way because I know that cheating does happen, and it can't happen, and you know, just it's just just to protect myself. I wanted to be you know, fighting on a fair

plane field. Yeah, that's the one sport where it should be taken definitely seriously, as seriously as it ever isn't any other sport. Um, let's talk about your fight fift You're back in Australia. You are now becoming like a resident down there after two trips in the last six months. How do you feel about being back in Australia preparing for this rematch? Um? I feel great, Um, you know, um mentally, physically, you know, I got my full team

with me. Um. You know, I came here already, so I knew what to expect, you know, Um, and I just can't wait. I'm excited for the fight. You know, you spent some time in the previous months Devon in interviews saying it wasn't a sure thing that you'd be back in Australia. It wasn't a sure thing that you'd be facing campbos Is in this rematch kind of take me inside your thinking over the last few months, Like what were you kind of contemplating doing and what was

it that got you back to Australia. I mean, truthfully, I wanted more money. I mean, that was it. I just wanted more money, as that was the only thing. So you do all along you'd be back. Yeah, but I just wanted my like. I respect that. I respect. Did you get more money? No? I mean that contract was pretty iron clad, right, Like that was a tough contract to get some wiggle room in. Yeah, pretty much.

I mean, although I would say I have heard some of the numbers floated around for your purse for this fight. It sounds like you're getting a pretty good pay day for this fight. Yeah, but it's never too much. Again, I respect. You always gotta ask for more, you go. It's just you never take the first offer. You gotta ask for more, you damn right, in any profession, you never take the first offer. Um. So, so as you prepare for this fight, what are you expecting from camp Boss?

Are you expecting some kind of big adjustment? Do you think he's capable of a big adjustment? What's kind of your expectation? Um? I mean, it's no secret what are's gonna bring to the table. We all know that he's gonna, you know, try to be more aggressive, you know, try to make the fight dirty and you know it as possible. Um, I mean it's it's it's no secret you boxed brilliantly in that first fight made it look easy. I mean, did that first fight go as you expected it to go? Um,

I wouldn't say necessarily when completely as expected. I knew that I would handicapped him of his best attributes, and uh, you know that's what how That's how the fight happened. That's how that fight played out, Um, with me handicapping him. But um, you know despite our handicappine, but it will be a little different in what ways? Would it be different? You gotta see you gotta tune in on the fifteen. I will show ever the salesman. Um. You know you

were motivated to get those titles. You wanted to be undisputed champion so badly. Um. Have you had the same motivation during this training camp as anything been different about this camp? Yeah? I mean the motive motivation. Um, obviously it's not you know, as you know as much as you know the first fight. Um, you know, he hasn't given me, you know, much motivation obviously, you know he's going quiet. Um and he's just you know, nowhere to be found. But that's all part of his you know,

strategy or whatever the case may be. But um, it is what it is. Um. At the end of the day, this is history. This is you know, putting me you know, closer to being one of the greats of the sports. So uh. You know, when when when someone doesn't give you the motivation that you're looking for, you know, you get it somewhere else you thrive or somehow, and that's how that's how the greats do it. So um, it is what it is. Now, what do you what do you make of that? Him going quiet the way he has.

We haven't heard anything from George really in months besides some social media posts. He talked a lot of ship in the build up to the first fight. What do you make of him kind of going quiet? Yeah, he talked a lot of ship. Um, you know he and then he got some humble pie. So now you know he's he's on quiet, and you know he's seen that the ship talking you know, wasn't really him. It wasn't really you know, he couldn't back it up. So now he's gonna quiet. I mean, what what what quick? Can

you think about it? I mean I don't really know what's really saying or think about it. It's boxing, so everybody talks about the future, and people look at your future, whether it's Loma Chenko shakor Stevenson. Massive fights in three that you could potentially have. Um at one, is there any danger for you in overlooking George campboss in this fight? Um? I will not overlook you know, George Campus So I will not you know, look past him. You know, he is a live body. He was the guy with the belts.

But the fight before this, so uh, you know, my my percent focuses on him, and uh without without you know, beating him, I don't get those big fights. So my main focus is beating him and then what what's what's we'll talk about, you know what's next. I know how hard it was for you to leave that he hearn to kind of go out on your own here in a way, work a top rank, work with lou Debella.

But you wanted this opportunity, and now it seems like Devin, you're on the cusp of getting everything you you wanted. You're not only getting all the titles, but you've got the chance to have those mega fights that you've been calling for for years. I mean, is that Does it feel that way? Does it feel like this is the time you're kind of finally getting everything you wanted? Yeah? It was. It was destined everything, you know, as you know,

it's falling into place, fall into my hands. But you know, I thank God for it. I think I laugh for you. Um, you know, I've been working so hard, you know, sacrificing for so long, and you know, not getting the fights that that I wanted. But um, now it's finally time and I'm I'm excited for it. All right, last question for you. I was watching with amusement as you and the folks over at Ring Magazine we're going back and forth about your place in the pound for pound ranking.

So I'll ask you this, Where does Devin Haney think Devin Haney belongs on the pound for pound list? You didn't have me pound for pound rankings either, I did not. I did not. I'll I'll tell you why. But I want to hear where you where you land think you belong in that list. Um, I don't know. I can't say exactly, but I've definitely deserved to be on the list. I definitely deserve to be on the list. But why

are you to have me on your list? Well, it's it's I don't look at titles when I make that list ever, like it's just like I always look at resumes. Why I have Canelo still higher than most people do.

It's why I have higher than most people do. You are unquestionably a pound for pound talent, and by this time next year, I think you can make the argument you should be number one in the pound for pound rankings because I'm assuming if you beat Cambosis, if you beat Lomachenko, if you beat you, of course, Stevenson, that is a number one guy type of resume, at the very least a top five. So the only reason I don't have you in the top ten is resume. I'm

twenty three years old, undisputed. Just beat the man, will beat the man, will beat the man who you had on your fucking list. You have MoMA on your list, right, I do, But again that's resume. But he lost, so lost it don't matter resume, So so you lost it, don't matter. You just say, Okay, he could fight ten people. If you lose peat five locifive, then he doesn't matter

because he beat five five lose the top of guys. Well, no, not five, but like Cannello has got two losses, but they were two elite guys, So I don't I'm not gonna penalize him that much for a lot of guys with the guy but but but but Cannello lost the Floyd. Floyd lose after Canello lost the Big Ball, the Big Ball lose, lose after No Loma lost, not yet, Teo, Okay, but you're projecting you you, you're trying to project some ship.

He lost the tl TiO lost gamebo s scamest the lost to me right, look or a plus for eight. But Loma's got Loma's resume at one thirty and one thirty five. Put him on that list to me, like he's he's probably better guys. You you you, your list will consistent with the way he did three years ago rather than what he's doing today. But I still think he's that guy from three years ago, and like, if you get these next couple of fights, you'll have a better resume. I think it's a subjective list. It's a

subjective list. You don't Yeah, you don't know. If I'll tell you what if he if he looks if he looks like ship against Jamaine Ortiz, I'll take him off the list. Like if he looks bad in that fight, like that will be the most comple of him fighting. It looked like shit against torn was broken. No, I never said, I never give him that out. I don't give him that guy out. He didn't look good in that fight, but he's had. Look, you're gonna get your

It's inevitable that you're on that list. It's just you just started to get the medium level fights with with Eddie, when you had Lenaries and you had Jojo, those were good fights. Now you beat Camposa's a better win, and the next year you got everything. If you're not on the list next year in the top five, I'll be shocked because you'll go into those fights as a favorite or against both guys. All right, we'll never agree, but look, I always love watching you. Man. You're a great fighter.

I want to see I agree. I will be, I will be. I will be number one on them. I believe that. All right, Devin, good luck on October Man, we're watching on ESPN rematch with George Campbosas Jr. To be a lot of fun. Man, good luck, Thank you, Chris. Always good talking to you. And when we come back.

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