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What's this? This heavy way posted by s is Chris Mannix. That was my moments now with interviews, analysis and everything going on in the world of boxing. When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Chris Mannix. Are you ready when are you gonna give a real intro, like a professional radio voice intro to your shows? Those are lame. No, they're not lame. That's what captures the imagination. Like, Hello, welcome to the Chris Mannix Podcast. My name is Chris Mannix.

You don't do something like have you ever listened? You do listen to the podcast. Don't even say you don't every I only listen when I'm on. Okay, that's weird because you know what's being said. At the very beginning of the podcast. There is animation that plays yeah, but it's not you. I can intro the show for you. If you don't want to be my guests, please don't in for the show from me, don't show Senior editor of Sports Illustrated Chris Mannix is my guest tonight. Oh

Chris sior writer but okay, not editor. We talk about your tweets. By the way, you are a rage tweeter, you know that, right, Like you wake up and like you just wake up sometimes and just send out like twenty tweets in a row. I've never done more than five in one day, and I'm like all back to back to back. Though. Look, man, I'm like Hemmingway of Twitter.

I write best in the morning. Can I for the record, Sergio Morris here, former junior middleweight champion to Zone broadcaster, UM, you had a tweet about a week ago and I flagged this because I wanted to bring this up on the podcast. Somebody asked you, quote Riz, now, why did you walk away from the Jermaine Taylor fight when Jermaine was undisputed? Your response, I only had one ten round fight under my belt. I wasn't ready. Bullshit, I call bullshit.

Tell the people the real story about why you didn't fight your main Tanler. Well, it was partly because I only fought one ten rounder. I was only I only have seventeen pro fights. And most importantly, we're a hundred and fifty thou dollars away from a million dollars. That's why Loudabella and I would have done it. But see that's why that's the real story here. As soon as

I read that, sweet, I go bullshit. If they had paid you two underground, you would have bought a fifteen rounder against it if they asked you for You're right, all right, A lot to get into. UH. This week, we've got some news with Ryan Garcia and Tag Davis got a few good fights this weekend. You're good, pal. Jake Paul is back in action as well. But I want to start with boxing being boxing once again. Uh, this past week, negotiations for an Errol Spence Terrence Crawford

fight collapsed. Crawford elected to sign a deal with b LK Prime Video and he is going to fight in December against David Avenecian, a good fighter. But that's certainly a letdown from the Errol Spence fife. There's been Sergio, a lot of he said, she said here, Bud Crawford has blamed Errol Spence, and PBC Errol Spence has blamed but Crawford, you go on social media. Everybody seems to think they have the most accurate information. But let's start here.

Your reaction to a long discussed fight falling apart once again. I told you so, I told you it was gonna happen. You were the only optimistic person in boxing that that was actually uh feeling good about that fight being made in late November. I think our last podcast, I told you it is not happening. It's not enough time to promote the shows, it's not to to promote the fight. Well, I had to do with the date though that was the date. It wasn't enough time, and they weren't talking

about it. Nobody was talking about it, so there was no way they were gonna put a mega fight, the biggest fight in boxing in in that much of a hurry and that much of a rush. That's how I knew it wasn't gonna happen. They needed to the whole promotional machine coming out, They needed all guns blazing and every talk show. It didn't happen for many reasons, and

I blame a lot of people manics. I just don't blame budd and Spence, but you gotta aim the managers, and you gotta blame the advisers, and you gotta blame the lawyers, and you gotta blame the promoters and the networks. It's all one big uh. I don't know the word for it, but it's all one big mess. You know, whenever you're dealing with so many people, so many contracts, so many loyalties that you have to like cross bridges,

it's not gonna happen. There's just too many, too many hurdles to jump, and I just felt that that's one of the biggest fights in boxing that's never gonna happen when it should. BLK Prime video coming out of nowhere was not something and anybody anticipated I had never Who is and is a video on demand service that has dabbled in boxing some and is clearly attempting to get into boxing. I I guess that's that's a decent comparison for the moment. They signed Terence Crawford to a one

fight deal. Reportedly they signed Adrian Broner to a three fight deal. We'll see what happens with that. I have been told there is some real money behind it, um, some hedge fund money, some investment bank money, something along those lines. And look, if you're Crawford and you really can get eight figures to fight David Avenecian, and the negotiations between yourself and Errol Spence and al Haman weren't going the way you wanted to. I kind of understand it.

I mean, David Avensi is a good fighter, but he is going to be lunch meat against Arrow Spence. He is going to go out there and try to brawl at Errol Spence is going to put him down. This is going to end badly. For David Avensi. So if you're Errol Spence and you really can get ten million plus to fight him, I understand it. My problem with all this is that I think this was the final

nail in the coffin for Spence versus Crawford. It sure sounds like Errol Spence, who has spent like a decade or more fighting at a hundred forty seven pounds, who was in the Olympics at a hundred and fifty plus pounds, is done with wealthier weight. He wants to move up. There aren't great fights available to him. If Crawford isn't he's not going to fight Standy Onis Like I don't

see that happening. He clearly doesn't want to fight Keith Thurmant and like the mandatory is out there Boots Ennis, Virgil Ortiz, potentially he's not going to fight either one of them. So it sounds like the next step for Errol Spence is going to be moving up. And you know this, Sergio, if he moves up, he ain't coming

back down. So the chances of us getting a welterweight unification fight between Spencing Crawford one that would truly crown the best fighter in that division, they may have vanished completely after the all this. We're not in thees no more. We're not dealing with the fabulous for We're not being dealing with the best fighting the best. It's nowadays it's

the best chasing the best pay days. And it's unfortunate because the fans, you know, they've they've been supporting boxing so long, and when it comes to the time, the right time, that opportune time where everything's perfect, these guys are undefeated there at their pound for pound best, and if they only can make that fight, it's just it puts boxing at the number one spotlight of all sports, and it just doesn't happen because there's just too much

red red wires to cross, too much, too much paperwork, too many promoters and managers, advisers Like I said, man, it was just too much to do. And and when you were so optimistic about it, which is a rarity because you're just curmudgeon, well I just felt like I was just like, what the hell, all of a sudden, you're positive, Well, look, the options for these two guys were limited. When I was talking like that, nobody saw this BLK Prime video thing coming, Like I don't. I

don't even see it coming. It sounds like a boy band BLK BLK Promotions Prime Video. I think it's sounds like I don't think it's promotional. Sounds like something to speak briefly on BLK Prime Video. What they're doing isn't gonna work. Like they're doing a one fight deal with Terrence Crawford. They're going to put it on version of pay per view, it's going to do well under a hundred thousand buys, and there's just no scenario where they can make that money back. The same thing with his

Broner deal. Browner hasn't fought in well over a year. He hasn't one a meaningful fight since two thousands sixteen. His drawing power has has largely vanished. I saw a video of him recently announcing the deal. He did not look like he was anywhere close to fighting shape at the moment. So I don't know what their their endgame is for all this. But if you're Crawford Spence, that might have done it. Maybe we see them fight at

one fifty four down the line. But I'm not crossing my fingers and counting on it, because Crawford is what in his mid thirties. Spence is approaching his mid thirties. I think we've lost our chance to see that fight forever. And that's and I hate to say it, but you did, you did tell me so, all right, I want to talk about some news that I reported this week and get your take on it. Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis seemed to be right there on the contractual element a

a deal for them to fight. They have agreed broadly on the financial terms, which means I've been told the guarantees for each fighter and the percentage split for each fighter. They have agreed on the weight thirty six pound, which is one pound above the weight Tank prefers to fight at and three or four pounds below what Ryan Garcia prefers to fight at. They agreed on the date, which is supposed to be sometime in January, the location which is supposed to be Las Vegas. They seem to be

right there on the financial terms. Where they're not is close to a deal for the broadcast rights. Tank Davis has been aligned with Showtime for his last eleven fights, Ryan Garcia with the Zone Um. The two sides have spoken, I've been told, but they are not close to a deal on the broadcast, right, So are you equally as pessimistic Sergio about the chances we get to see Ryan Garcia Tank Davis or do you think there's a pathway

for this fight to get There's a pathway. There's a pathway because Ryan Garcia has a big following, uh the kid, you know, whenever he tweets, millions of people read it, it gets retweeted. He has a following and Instagram and Twitter, you know, tanks very popular. So whenever these two do decide to talk and and and and and try to make a fight, people are listening, and people want this fight. It's a big one of the biggest fights in boxing.

And these guys are so young and and and hungry, and they're good at what they do and knock people out. Not only that Mannix, but there with well, at least Ryan Garcia is he's with a promoter that wants to make it happen. So when Oscar the Lahoya tweets, the world of boxing listens. So not only does Ryan Garcia want to fight Uscia the Lahoya want to fight, it's maywhere the promotions and and Mayweather and Leonard Ellerb and

Tank they're the ones that are silent about it. Ryan Garcia keeps goinging them on, like, come on, kid, let's do it. Let's do it. And it's a bad look for Tank, but I think it's gonna be. You can't keep you can't keep just uh, you know, staying silent about it. Tank tweets and deletes. He's kind of like me, you know, whenever I remember Ryan Garcia says anything. But you could tell Tank wants it. You could tell Tank wants to response to this. Kid says let's get it on.

But the powers that be and the people behind them won't let it happen. And those people, whether it's maywere the promotions or network or the lawyers or whatever it is, they can't keep treading lightly. He's a tank. His name's Tank. You can't tread lightly with a tank. Let him destroy, Let him do what he does best, and that's fight, and let him, you know, uh, do it at the right time. Don't wait any longer. I mean, this is the time to do it. And hopefully it happens. And

I'm optimistic about this one. I'm glad. I'm I wouldn't say I'm optimistic. I wouldn't say I'm pessimistic. I'm right in the middle right now. I do think that Al Hayman and Maywe the promotions are operating in good faith trying to make this fight happen. Otherwise, why would they agree to all the financial terms. I think everybody involved

wants this fight. What has to budge is Hayman and Mayweather Promotions have to authorize and tell Steven Espinosa that he needs to make a deal with the Zone for this fight. Now, people listening, they know Sergio and I are part of the Zone broadcast team, but this is not about that. What this is about is getting a deal done, and it does not get done unless there is a co promotion get involves that involves both networks.

Do Zone is willing to do a type of deal that we saw with Mayweather and Pacio, the type of deal that they were talking about doing with Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. His Zone is willing to do that. They want to split everything in an equitable ray way. Right now, my understanding is that these negotiations haven't really gone anywhere because Showtime is telling the Zone that may with the Promotions and PBC are saying this fight happens as a Showtime pay per view. I'm telling you it's

not gonna happen without it being a Showtime paper. People can say, well, Ryan Garcia doesn't have a contract with the Zone. Well Tank Davis doesn't have a contract with Showtime. Why can't it be on one neper It doesn't matter. Tank Davis is a showtime fighter. Ryan Garcia, for the moment, is a de zown fighter by virtue of his contract with Golden Boy. If this fight could happen on one network, it would have happened already. It needs to The two

sides need to come together and make this deal. Let me tell you something, Sergio, this is not a hard deal to make. Like you use previous deals as a blueprint, You louse Mayweather Packiau the structure of it as a blueprint. You use Fury Wilder as a blueprint. ESPN and Fox rivals in the sports game. They got together, they made a deal and we saw two great fights, including the last one, which is one of the best heavyweight fights I've seen in a very long time, certainly the best

fight I've seen in person. You can do this. It's about greed, It's about ego. If this fight gets blocked, it's going to be at the network level. And I'm just gonna say this, I think it will be blocked because of Mayweather Promotions and out Hym and I think they will be the ones that stopped this fight from happening because I think the zone wants to do a deal. I quite frankly think if push comes to shove, Showtime would do a deal because Showtime has nothing else for

Tank Davis. Does anybody really want to see Tank versus a cruise too? Because that's where we're trending towards if this fight doesn't get made. So I think there needs to be kind of a loosening of the reins, get the ego out of the situation, make a co promotional deal, and then make a fight that is one of, if not the most marketable fight you can make in all

of boxing today. The eagle you said it, I think you know the people, the people that are involved have big, big egos, and you know, fighters of course have big eagles because that's what it takes to get in the ring. But the people in the suits, what what what are their egos about? They don't want to work with other people across the Street because what oh uh, it's it's childish, is it's it's immature, it's not it's not good business.

They could say that they don't have the following or the audience or or or they don't have the subscriptions, the zone doesn't. But what what have they done? Like you said, what has Showtime done? What hbos out of business or else? What have brought them up? What have they done? What are the name but numbers they're pulling? And what stars are they making? Tank right now is a bona fide star, but he's not in the he's not sailing over five thousand pay per views. He's a

nobody is at this No, But that's my point. Ex Showtime has done a really good job at building Tank into the pay per view star. Damn good job. But he's not in the over probably nobody ever will be. Again, if the pay per view numbers for Wilder Ryan Garcia will be we'll see, we'll see. I mean, look, those days maybe gone forever. We don't, we don't know if

the million plus pay per view buys. My point in all this is that Showtime has spent a lot of time and a lot of money investing and building Gavante Davis. The Zone has spent a lot of time and a lot of money investing and building Ryan Garcia. Neither network should be excluded, and they don't have to be because you can make a deal that will make everybody happy.

And here's the difference. Ryan Garcia's promoter, Golden Boy, Oscar Deloya, they want that fight to happen, but on the other side of the fence, Mayweather, they don't say anything, so that they're actually to blame a little bit here too, because if if the fighter and Ryan Garcia the promoter, and Oscar Delaya, if they're the ones talking, they're willing to make a deal, They're willing to to to to talk over the contracts and the deal and and everything,

and they're just saying quiet about it. Well, there to blame. I mean, I hate to be so blunt about it, but they're the ones not saying anything about it, which means they don't want that fight, and it's it's upsetting. I don't need them to say anything. I just needed to make a deal because if this fight falls through, we're gonna see Tank against someone we don't care about, and we're probably gonna see Ryan in against someone we don't care about, and that would be catastrophic for boxing.

In the aftermath of the Arrow Spence fight, let me transition to uh, a favorite topic of yours. Jake Paul is back going for his sixth professional win when he takes on Anderson Silva down in Phoenix. This figures to be a pretty big event. Tickets have moved exceptionally well. Jake has done pretty solid numbers on pay per view in his time headlining over at Showtime. Anderson Silva is best known for his m m A exploits. He's one of the greatest mixed martial largest of all time, maybe

the greatest mixed martial artist of all time. But he is also a decent boxer. He is three and one. Now he's not a decent box Okay, okay, hold on, hold on, let me finish what I'm saying. He's three and one. He has a win over Julio Caesar Chavez Jr. That's a real win. He beat the former middleweight champion Legit League just last year. So here's the question I have for you. If Jake Paul beats Anderson Silva, does

he deserve credit for that? Deserves got nothing to do with it because he's not fighting a boxer in a boxing ring. He's fighting a forty seven year old man, forty seven years old and a guy that's never been in a boxing ring other than with a lazy, uh irresponsible former champion in Chavez, who you know, he probably wasn't even in shape. He just took that pay day. Anderson Silva lost his professional debut because he actually fought uh a fighter with a record from there, He's fought

non boxers. So you can't say he's a boxer. Jake Paul is okay, but you can't says is a boxer. You call him lazy, and that's fine, but he's a real box that's the only that's the only thing that brings some kind of credibility. But Chavez is lazy, irresponsible, and he's not reliable. We all know that. Boxing knows that. But yeah, you gotta give Anderson Silva credit it for beating him. Okay, I'll do that. It will split decision, but whatever the other wins, what decisions, I get it.

But there were against other fighters. Man, you're just you're you're trying too hard to promote Jake Paul. Jake Paul needs to be fighting a boxer. I don't care if he's an OH and five boxer, but a boxer someone that fought five professional boxers and lost, then I can give him credit. Anderson Silva just fought one professional fighter in Chavez. He got a split decision and he got knocked out in his pro debut versus another professional boxer.

The other guys were making the professional debuts, they weren't professional boxers. So Jake Paul does not earn my respect here. I give him credit for being a hustler, for being uh one of these just these guys that can turn uh leimonate into ship into lemonade. I give him credit for that. Man, he gets attentions, he gets the eyeballs, that the new YouTube you know, crowd, all the credit

to him. Make your money, son. But whenever you come to boxing and you want to start talking ship that you want to call out all these big names and you want to do this and you want to take over, and you want to start bad mouthing boxers, that when that's when we gotta just nip it in the button and be like, dude, shut the funk up until you fight something. I don't think boxers like He bad mouths boxing in general, and he should because boxing is in

the toilet right now. It doesn't make any good fights. The schedule on most networks is devoid of anything remotely interesting. We're doing a couple of good ones. We're doing on the Zone. You've got bevol versus h versus zero, and then you've got Chocolate Tito Astrado three at the end of the year. But you look at all these schedules, the big fights aren't happening, at least not at the end. And Jake Paul is a big fight. The people buying his fights, people are It's not it's not boxing fans

that are buying this fight. It's it's it's YouTube some of them kids then and aw this other thing that, And it's not gonna be that pay per views? How much is it gonna be? Is it gonna be? He charges less usually than everybody else. It's fifty dollars and he can can I just point this out. I don't want to get back I don't want to get back in this hamster with with you again. But you say, Jake Paul's gotta fight a real boxer, Well, he tried

to fight Tommy Fury twice Tommy Fury backed out. He tried to fight a scene Rockmon Scene lied about the weight he could make, and then he had to cancel that fight. So you can't say he's not trying. He's got his real boxers backing away from him the second he calls me, alright, running towards you, back to I just like, by the way, I have a story up on s I uh SI dot com right now about Jake Paul. I would spend some time in Puerto Rico

with him. Um, now you as we record this, No you haven't, but I just like to point out and you hate when I do this, but I'm gonna do it anyway. Um. Some of the Jake Paul critics, including yourself, don't look at the receipts your fifth fight. George Marino, who had just as many wins as Tyron Woodley zero zero wins on his resume. Javonte Davis, who has insulted Jake Paul. In his sixth pro fight, he fought a guy named James Franks who was to eight and one.

Canelo Alvaret didn't face a guy with a winning record until his thirteen professional fight. Well, why is it just because they dawn gloves and like act like a real boxer. That makes them real boxers. Every champion in the history of boxing, if you look down into their first five fights, they've fought fighters like that, fought fighters like that. Was

Tyrone Woodley better than George Marino? No, I don't even know who he was, but I for he's forgettable, But I bet you he probably would have went the distance with Tyron Woodley. Suddn't Jake Paul that he knocked him out. These guys can't fight, man, They can't. They can't box. They can fight, they're strong, but they can't box. They

have no footwork. They look ridiculous once they start getting into the later rounds of fifth, the sixth round, once they start getting hit, once they start getting clipped to the body by a real professional boxer, they won't go to distance. They'll turn their back and they're coward out. That's how these guys that aren't familiar with being a professional fighter, that's how they react. You know why give

You know why I give Jake Paul. You think I give him too much credit and I promote him, But I also talk to people that shared the ring with him, like Steve Cunningham, two time cruiserweight champion. He went down sparred with him last year, he said. Jake pauls Legit said, he has real power. He works hard, and he's trying to become a better fighter. In this last camp, Chad Dawson was there. Pound champions. I talked to Chad Dawson. Chad said, look, he's got some skill, he's got some

relieve it. I believe it, man. I mean, look, I respect Steve Conny and I respect Chad Dawson. Two champions are not gonna bullshit. He's trying. I get it. He's trying. He looks the part. He could throw a one, two three. He can run, he can jog, he can have a camp, he can bring in a professional sparring partners. But once he gets down to the real nitty gritty in front of a boxer with eight or ten ounce gloves under those lights and he gets hit on the chin, he's

not gonna respond like a fighter. He can act like he's a fighter, but he's not one because he does not know how to react when the door gets tough. That's a different That's what separates the men from the Jake Paul You know why I like Jake Paul too, though, is because he sponsors your show. Problem he does not. But he's trying to make these fights like I've seen

Rockman Junior. Nobody's ever heard of him, right, Jake is trying to make these fights when the reality is he would make so much more money if he just fought these influencers. Jake Paul against Nate Diaz is huge. Jake Paul against KSI is huge. Jake's trying to gonna make some of those fights, but he's also looking at Tommy Fury, he was eight no as professional boxer. He's looking at other guys pro box and hedia Is is is the only

one I'll be interested in. The other ones actually careless would I'm sorry, I like Nate Das, but Jake would beat him senseless. Jake's too strong. See that's Nate has hands. Nate has hands, so does with with ten ounce gloves on. No. Look, I I can pretty much guarantee you Nadia's wife's the floor with Jake. You're gonna guarantee me that I'll take every nickel in your pocket that if you think that's the man, he does not beat an idea, I'll be interested in all right, Like the big fight in New

York this weekend, Visily Loma Chenko is back. The former on one thirty d thirty five pounds champion has been off for more than a year now dealing with UM the struggle in the Ukraine. He was supposed to fight George campbos At the back out of that because of the war in Ukraine. He is fighting Jermaine Ortiz, who made his bones just a few months ago when he beat Jamal Herring. UM, the now retired former hundred thirty pounds champion. Uh. Look, Loma Checko is a big favorite

in his fight and he should be. What are you expecting? What do you want to see out of Loma Checko when his first fight back? UM, you know, I don't expect him to be no mas Chenko and come back and wipe the floor with a young, hungry, undefeated, strong fighter, strong fighter Ortis. I was watching video on him. I watch his fight with Herring. He's impressive, and you know fighters like that they wait for a moment like this, you know, to to take down Uh. A legend pretty much.

Loma is what a three division world champion, a gold medalist he has, He's gonna going to Hall of Fame or Tea's gonna be salivating to beat a fighter like this coming off a one year layoff, or Tease has been active. He's there's a third fight in so he's I wouldn't go as far as he's a live dog as far as skill wise, but attrition and youth and hunger, and when the and and in the later part of the fight, I give him a chance to to to

to start touching up Loma make him uncomfortable. So what do I expect out of Loma to get out of this fight with a victory when no injuries, no cuts, and and no bad performances like a knockdown or or or or where you look you looked old. Just get out of this one, go to the next one. That's all I wanted of him. Yeah, I think there's going to be some ring rust, But if he's anything like the Loma Chenko that we're used to, Jamaine Orti is

a good fighter. He looked really sharp against Jamal Harry, but Jamal Hary didn't have anywhere near the offense that Lomachenko does. Loma checks going through punches, uh in bunches. So I I want to see him dominate his fight in the later rounds and get the stopics because that will give him some of his momentum back. Now, Sergio, we've talked a lot um, whether it's on jabs, over onto zone or uh in previous podcasts about Devin Hany

against lomon Chenko. I was talking last week to Jamal herring Um about this and the Devin Haney that I saw at the way in for the Cambosis fight. That wasn't a lightweight. That was a guy who drained himself to get back down two five pounds. So like we've spent some time talking about should Devin Haney take the Lomachenko fight, But I'll tell you this, if Devin Haney can get down to one in a safe way, I don't know, Lomoncheko would definitely take the fight, but I'd

probably favored Devin Hany. Is that crazy too to think that Devon Hanny would be a favorite against loma Chenko? No, no, no, it's not because that's um. That's that's that's the right style matchup. He's gonna have the size, that youth, the length of the jab and lomon j and lomon Chenko would well makes some what makes loman Chenko great is his footwork. It's the angles and the older you get, of course, the legs of the first thing to go, and they can go overnight. So Haney, you know, he's

a master at distance. You know it's hard for fighters to break that distance. Camp Boss couldn't do it in twenty four rounds. A lot of fighters can do it in twenty four in in in in twelve rounds. So loman Chenko is gonna have to break that distance with footwork. He'll be able to have success in the first half

of the fight. But the second half of the fight, when things slow down, you can bet Haney's youth, his vigor, and that that jab and that confidence, the fact that he has all the bells, he has so much to prove, the fact that he wanted this fight for a long time. That's when that's when it starts taking over. Already has won this fight for a long time. But let me ask you this. You saw Devin Haney at that way,

he saw what he looked like. Should he take this fight or should he go up to one forty right now? Take the fight? I think he still he only should because he's still young enough to wear that the way, it doesn't affect him. He can still you know, even even though he did look very dehydrated and then drained. You know, he has youth on his side. He can bounce back really fast, you know. Draining you're drawing yourself

law up like that. It only affects the older you are, So when you're years old, you're still able to do that, even at twenty five years old, you know, but on once you get into your late twenties. Now, man, that's very dangerous. Yeah. Look, I think that fight is going to happen. Devin Hany wants it, Lomachenko wants the opportunity to win all four belts. It is a legit pay per view in Las Vegas or Los Angeles wherever they choose to ultimately put. It's great fights what Devin Hany's

always wants. So I do think he sucks back down to one five one more time. I just hope after it's over he doesn't regret it. But let's let's let's not give Haney is a very responsible fighter that's always on weight. He's never he's never no no. Maybe he's growing out of it, or maybe it's the fact that he had a fly he had a fly fifteen hours, you know, for several weeks beforehand. So it doesn't matter, man.

I mean, you have to acclimate to to the climate you're in and the places you are, The water, the food is different. It. I know it sounds like excuses, but when when anyone in boxing can tell you making weight it's a science, you know, it's it's not only it's not only working out in the gym, it's it's every little thing, not only where you are, but what you're drinking, what you're eating, and at what times, and you know when there's there's time differences makes a big difference.

Is that what killed you? Um in the Forrest rematch from Vegas to my debauchery took a hold of there. But I gotta love it. Uh last thing for you. We are gonna be in San Diego this weekend for what I think is a sneaky good fight hundred thirty five pounds Jojo Diaz, former world champion UM at one thirty williams Apeta, who has become something of a name at one thirty five. They clash at lightweight. I love this fight, Sergio, because it's a true kind of crossroads

fight for Jojo Diaz. He's coming off the loss to Devin Haney last year. He really needs a win. Zapeta. He has been a fast rising star, say to win over Hector Ta Howard last year, but his last couple of fights have been so so so so, his most recent one a decision win over Rene Albarado. But one way or the other, this is gonna be Rockham socking Robot for as long as it last. Both these guys throw punches and bunches of both of them have vowed that they are going to stand in the middle of

the ring and trade. So what do you like in this fight? Man? Like you said, it's a It's a great fight between two south Paws that are completely different, not in style but in power. You know that Peter has that he raced, so he comes forward. He's very aggressive. He's a volume puncher. Jojo Diaz is also aggressive and a volume puncher, likes to mix it up, but he doesn't have the power. But what Jojo does bring to the table is timing, I mean, and he has a

good jab when he uses it. You know, Jojo actually was doing really well with his jab with Haney. You know, I was watching that fight again and Haney, who has one of the best jabs in boxing, wasn't out jabbing Jojo in that fight. So that's timing. That's what Jojo brings to the table body shots. He's an excellent body puncher. Uh. He has a championship experience. Uh coming into this fight as a pay to. You know, he's only fought what a secondary champion in Alvarado, so he doesn't have that

championship experience that Jojo has. What did you think fight against Olparado? I thought it was a workman like performance. You know, renw Alvarado is the type of bus all that that takes a big takes a big punch, hits hard enough to keep you honest about it, and a lot of experience. He was active, Uh, in great shape. You know, him and his brother worked together. They're hungry. They love these opportunities to shine. So it's hard to

knock dudes out like that. Um. But this is gonna be a great example because if if um Jojo can win this fight, he's back, He's back in the mix in a hot lightweight division. And if the pay to can knock out a fighter who has never been knocked out, and he could have knocked him out, and Farmer definitely couldn't knock him out. Gary Russell, Gary Russell back in the day, you know, he was dominating that fight, but

Jojo started too late. Then he started coming on. Uh. It's gonna be a great look for Zipeta and and a new name in the lightweight division. Yeah. I think the winner of this fight could be positioned for a world title shot pretty quickly, because whatever happens in the Haney versus Loma Chenko fight, it's more likely than not those belts fragment at some point, especially if Hanny wins, He's gonna vacate all those belts. Move up two d

and thirty five pounds. You got Sakor Stevens under forty pounds. You've got Shakoor Stevenson lurking out there moving up to one thirty five. Tank Davis is still out there at one thirty five. If you're Jojo or Zapeta, you've got a great opportunity. What I think this fight comes down to Sergio is who is throwing the most punchers in the championship rounds, because I think both these guys are

gonna match each other for volume early on. But who has the conditioning over the final three or four rounds of this fight, I think that's the guy that's gonna win. At Jojo has had some weight issues in the past, not at one five necessarily, but he has had some some conditioning issues in the past. If if both these guys are in great shape, the person the best shape, I think he's gonna have the best chance to win.

I'm gonna tell you what it comes down to. Yes, that has something to do with it as well, but any fight that has something to do with the stamina and and everything, the jab and you know styles. This fight is gonna come down if JoJo's face holds up, if those cuts, that scar tissue holds up, because if that scar gets open early, like it didn't rock him off Fighter and other fights, it's it's gonna be a bloody mess. And Zapeta is gonna only, you know, get

stronger and stronger. And even though he's not beating him by a lot, you know, Jojo has balls, man. I mean, he showed against Tevin Farmer that he was able to take that championship from him with the gruesome cut, So he's been able to do it before. He can probably do it again. But at twenty nine years old, through all that scar tissue, if that opens up early in that fights, that pay to will find a way to

to stop him. If if he doesn't stop him, the corner will stop, at the referee, the doctor, someone will stop it. They're not gonna let Jojo, a veteran who has a lot of miles in his tank, go twelve rounds with all that blood coming up. So if his face holds up, Altos slightly favorite Jojo Diaz in this fight. It's gonna be a great fight, maybe the best action fight of the weekend. Sergio Mora, are you planning to sign with b LK Prime next? I heard they're gonna

look for more fighters. Hey, listen, man, I'm only coming back for one fighter, and you know his name. He's a sponsor of your show. He's a sponsor of your show. First of all, there's probably ten fighters you'd come back for. You can back for a paycheck, is what you came back for. I'm coming back for Jake Paul and if Spider Silva backs out, the snake will come in when

we come back. My conversation with Katie Taylor, all right, Katie Taylor is the undisputed hundred and thirty five pound champion. On Saturday, she'll return to defend her titles, which takes on Karen Carba Hall at Wembley Arena in London. That's a fight you can see Saturday worldwide onto Zone and Katie joins me on the show. Kay back in the UK, back at Wembley where your pro career began, back in two thousand sixteen. I'm wondering, what do you remember about

your pro debut um. Yeah, I mean it definitely seems like a very fast six years, but yeah, I've got obviously great memories from that night. I was coming off a very disapinteer as an amateur and this is a fresh start for me, and I just remember it just I just walked into the ring as as a different fighter, I thought that night, and yeah, just an amazing moment.

You only have one debut, and I'm so glad that that the day you actually went well and then turn around stoppage and and you had the start of an amazing journey for me in the ring as a pro. That was your first experience at professional prize fighting. Did you leave that fight thinking, Okay, I'm now confident I

can do this. Yeah, I mean I think even before that, I had ambitions to bring the sports you into a new level, the women's side of things, and um, I was in any of your Hand's office a few weeks before that talking to him about Turner pro and my my, my ambitions, my expectations, and um, here we are a few years later where we just headlined mas and Square Garden. I don't think in a million years do you think that was going to happen. But it's just been an

amazing journey. If you knew back then in two thousand sixteen that your career would go the way it is gone, how would you feel about it? Um, I mean yeah,

I would obviously, UH would be very very satisfied. But at the same time, there's still a lot to be done as well, I think, and there's been a few um performances that that you haven't It's very very rare that you come out of the ring thinking your box briality, for example, there's obviously improval said that that had to have to be made, I think, and I don't think people have seen the best yet and that's a very

exciting prospect for me. So, UM, I know that There's still a lot to be done, There's still a lot to be shown, and um, I'm just excited about for for us to come. Really, you're coming off the biggest win of your professional career. Do you believe that people have not seen the best of you yet? I don't think so. I think I was obviously it could performs the last time, but I think that there is more to be shown, and um, I am looking forward to

actually showcasing that in the in the fight citcom. Um, I feel like I am getting better and better each each and every time, and um, yeah, I definitely feel like they're there. I have been to show my folk potentially. Yeah,

You're back this weekend against Carbon Hall undefeated. Solid title defense for you, though not the rematch you were looking forward Toronto, not the high profile fight against someone like Chris Cyborg that I know your management team was trying to get you into over the last couple of fights a couple of months. How are you feeling about this particular fight? Um? Yeah, I mean I have you know this is going to be a to a fight. Like you said, she is a solid phone and she isn't

a beaten a phone nineteen. No, I think too Argentine, and she has everything to gain and nothing to lose. So these these opponents are always very, very dangerous, and any one of my Man Storry opponents of always rasor game against me as well. So I'm expecting the best of of my opponent Saturday night, and um, I'm just excited that they jump back in there really and and the showcase what I can do. And it's been an amazing or so far. But I want to end on a on a high note, and I want to end

on it on a great performance. I know You've been asked a lot in the last couple of weeks about the Amanda Serranto fight, but I'm wondering when, when the fight ended with Serranto and the days after, did you believe an immediate rematch was going to happen. Um? Yeah, I mean I thought we were obviously in talked for for an a media rematch, and we were very well and prepared to jump right into it an immediate rematch, and we had a co park actually see a lot for one of the dates. Um, this is a big

arena in our an eighty thousand people. That would have been a huge event. It's the only thing that would have topped. I think what happened in mass the square garden. Um, But obviously it didn't happen, and we we had to jump back game with with my mandatory p on a Saturday night and staid. But we were ready and willing to jump right back in for an immediate rematch. What's your understanding of why it didn't happen? Um, I think they just wanted to have another a couple of fights

basically before jumped back into it into rematch. Um. And yeah, so I obviously respect that what we were ready to jump by the game, but um, but yeah, it doesn't make any different source whether it's whether it's the next fighter or the fight after. But I think it is

because still going to happen next year or sometimes. And I still to this day think it is the biggest fight out there in Will's box on them and the first flight was used, but I can imagine how big that the second five would actually be after the first one was was was iconic. So yeah, I think that's uh, that's obviously a huge, huge MACA fight. Again, you you won the fight, and you don't often see the person that won the fight showing the most interest in running

it back again. But it seems like it is important to you to have a second fight with the Manda Serranto. I guess I'm just a bit crazy. I always want to I always want the big fights and the and the and the toughest chances. And I definitely do believe

that it's the biggest fight out there. I just want to be I want to be involved in these big mega fights and um and I think that's well, it's it's fights like that that actually secure your legacy as a fighter as well, just being involved and and and huge mac of fight after macafil and and I just want to give to the fans with what you want. Really, you know, you mentioned your legacy. Your legacy is secure. You are one of the greatest women's boxers of all time,

decorated amateur, decorated pro. But you talk a lot, and have just talked a lot about bigger fights ahead, bigger nights ahead. What do you want out of the rest of your career? What what are you looking for over these next couple of years. And well, one of the things that I would actually love is to have a big homecome fight in Ireland. That's uh six years as a pro and I still have an actually at back home, which is crazy. So I think I'd actually love love

that big homecorn fight. And we're talking about Croke Park people, and that would be such a huge events and that that would be a dream for me to actually have a chance to fight there and and to give the RS fans and and and just to support it that they've given me to have my whole career both as a professional boxer and manager boxer. I think that they also deserve a big night like that. You know the politics of you fighting in Ireland bet than anybody. Um,

you talk about it now, are you? Are you more confident now that a Croke Park fight can happen next year than you have been in years past. Yeah, definitely, I think it is definitely gonna happen at some stage. Like I said, even for the immediate we were obviously in talks for an iMedia rematch and we had co Park actually sealed awful one of those days in September sometime, so we were definitely were ready to jump in and fight.

And I have a big homecorn cocorn fight co Park, So it is definitely gonna happen some stage, Which is which is fine thinking for me, even thinking about it and having a big fight at home, eighty thousand people and this is really the stuff dreams. The last thing I want to ask you is, you know one point five million viewers for your fight with Amanda Serranto, two million for Claressa Shields and Savannah Marshall over in the UK, you're back headlining at Wembley Arena to close out the year.

Women's boxing is putting up numbers. It's it's backing up the talk with actual data, with the fact that people are watching women's boxing. What do you think of you know where women's boxing is right now? How do you feel about it? It's incredible, um um. We're seeing even Clarissa against Savana, what an amazing and night that was, and what an amazing white Boaker els shows so much hard and grit, and and the same with Alicia and Mikaela. Is such a great fight and just great great fights.

I'm thinking now we're actually seeing the biggest the biggest name is possibly boxing could could possibly be female fighters and even this year the two fights of Fights of the year contenders on himself and Sabrano, the rest Shields and Savana Marshall. That alone is is just amazing, even even saying that. So women's boxing is is that an all time high right now? And and the thing about is is it's only going to get better and better with somebody's young girls coming up. What an exciting time

to be involved in women's boxing. Who is let me ask you this, not to ask about the bests in the world, but who is Katie Taylor's favorite women's fighter to watch? Um My, my my team are here laughing at me. I don't know, I said, probably say, she's obviously prilliant to watch. I also love Wrotten Lucy a riker from back in the nineties US using an incredible fighter. Um, I love it was also when women had had the

opportunity we actually have. I now it's holtly because it also that we're that we're in the position at end the day as well. But yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just incredible that. You know, we talked about this last week that the gap, even though there is a gap between men's boxing and women's boxing popularity, it's closing because women's boxing is giving fans great fights and the fights that they're asking for more often than not. And that's that's just a good sign for the future because right the

depth of women's boxing is growing by the month. It seems like with when're getting into the sport. Yeah, absolutely, and yeah, we're seeing the best person is the best all the time, and women's boxing in comparisons sometimes the demand side of things where we're not actual seeing the best flights app on them. People are getting frustrated at times.

Book for the women's the point of view where we're we're seeing, like I said, the chapter grasses chapan eache each and every time that's a that's the thing that's actually other being the sport. Yeah, fans get frustrated, media get frustrated to talking about that never actually happened as well, Katie, good luck on Saturday, Karen Carralba Hall your title defense at one thirty five back on the Zone over in the UK. Always great to catch up Katie, and good

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good bet. Time now for this week's picks, brought to you by Fan Duel and I am locked in this week on the pay per view in Arizona, Jake Paul against Anderson Silva, the Problem Child against the Spider. The odds for this fight right now are pretty close. Jake Paul is at minus one nine to win, Anderson Silva a plus one fifty two underdog. I like Jake Paul. I think Jake, for all his critics, is becoming a

pretty good boxer. And even though Anderson Silva has that win over Julio Caesar Chavez Jr. I just don't like a forty seven year old Anderson Silva against a twenty five year old Jake Paul. I just think there's too many physical factors in the column of Jake Paul and I think he wins the Spider. Take Jake Paul to win at minus one nine. If you want to get a little bit of money out of this. If you want to up your odds, look at Jake Paul by knockout.

Jake Paul has shown some fantastic power up throughout his boxing career. He stopped Tyron Woodley with a one punch knockout in their last fight. Silva again has been a durable guy in mm A. Buddy's forty seven years old and this is an eight round fight. I don't know if this fight ends with one punch in the way that Jake has stopped Woodley and Ben askerin and Nate Robinson. It could also end with Jake just wearing down an older Silva. But either way, I think this fight ends

with Jake Paul knockout. So take Jake Paul to win at minus one. Take Jake Paul to win by knockout at plus two sixty, make some money. Those are my picks, brought to you by Vanduel. That's it for this week's episode. My thanks the Sergio Mora and Katie Taylor for joining the show as all a subscribe rate review this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you download podcast, and I'll see you next week.