Boxing with Chris Mannix - A Big Time in British Boxing

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That was my moments now with interviews, analysis and everything going up in the world of boxing. When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Christmas, all right, So how many rounds did you hit the bag today? I've been hitting ten rounds a day every day for about almost going on the Moon. Is this officially a comeback?

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I want to start this podcast, Sergio with what we OpEd about last weekend. The Joe Joyce Joseph Parker fight last week and Joyce the two thousand sixteen Olympic silver medalist. He picked up his most impressive win as a pro, knocking out Joe Parker in the eleventh round to win an interim version of one of the heavyweight titles. Joyce is now fifteen and oh with fourteen wins coming by way of knockout. Sergio, how impressed were you with Joe

Joyce's performance? Very impressed, Very impressed. I mean, he knocked out a former champion that only Anthony Joshua wasn't able to knock him out, Dillian White wasn't able to knock him out. I mean it's really impressive for him to go straightforward and hunt him down because Parker was in the fight. He was boxing really nicely, and and I knew that it wasn't going to go the distance. I mean, he just didn't have enough power and respect and size. But I mean he fought a valiant a valiant fight

Parker did. But it just goes to show you what kind of you know, jugger not you're dealing with. I mean, he's a beast. He cuts off the ring, he's imposing. He looks slow and hittable, but when you fall off balance, he catches you with that power. Guys like that you don't want to miss against, let alone, you know, throw more than two punches. It's hard to beat a big George Foreman, you know, type like that. You gotta out box him and stick and move and oh man, it

takes a lot. It's the pressure that's the hardest thing. I mean, he he This was the biggest problem I thought Parker had. Like Parker would throw some good combinations, he would land and then he spin out, believing he would get three or four seconds to recover. But it's the second he kind of turned to face Joyce. He was right there in his face, and Parker eventually succumbed

to all that. I was really impressed with Joyce. I when Joyce came out of the Olympics in two thousand and sixteen, I was like, all right, this guy's okay. He's got some pop, but he's lumbering. You know, his jab isn't particularly sharp. I thought he had a ceiling to him. Now, you certainly make the argument that Joyce is the second best heavyweight in all of boxing because Parker wouldn't well, I mean, look, you can make the argument I'm saying I don't know that he is either.

I think you know, you know, certainly with three versions of the title, Joshua is still there, a more accomplished heavyweight while they're still there, but he's now up there among the better fighters because, as you said, he did what Andy Ruiz couldn't do, when Anthony Joshua couldn't do what Dillian White couldn't do. He just Joe Joyce. I'm not as impressed by but um, he knocked this guy out.

And look you met. You said that Parker was boxing well early and maybe the first round or second round he was. You get that third round and look, I bet on Parker, like I thought Parker was gonna win. He was my pick for the upset. But by the third round, I'm like, oh shit, this is this is a problem. He's He's not gonna be able to keep

this guy off of them. This is the relentless pressure of Joyce is just And I don't know if you remember we did the this uh podcast and you asked me what I thought, and I said, I think at late round stoppage. I don't think across as the finish line. It's gonna be a late round stoppage and and sure enough, man,

that's exactly what it was. But once again, we got to give Parker some credit for him to be in with the heavyweight champions that he was in with and not be stopped and then finally he does really well. I mean he was he won some rounds. There were hard fought rounds that he won. There not, there weren't many, but he made it an entertaining fight and he was

there to win. So you gotta just admire, admire what the Juggernaut did and knocking out someone like that that's tricky to pin down, and he didn't give up until he finally did, and it came late. How would you describe Joyce's power, because I have a hard time. I know we mentioned for him and as the comp but like that jab, it doesn't look especially powerful. It doesn't

look as sharp as Joshua's jabs sometimes look like. But he just paused out there with it and connects with it and aims it right at your skull and then the right hands like they're they're wide, and he loads up on them a lot. And even when he connects, I'm not sitting there going like but it's not Wilder esque with that power. Like, how would you describe kind of his punching power. Well, I like the word you use in describing him lumbering, because he is lumbering. I mean,

he's the definition of of lumbering. But I would describe describe him of of a mix of a George Foreman and like a like a ridding bow without the speed, you know, one of those mixed because Bo had some hands on him and it looks like it's not gonna hurt you because his power is that heavy and it's that slow. He reminds he has like he's like a Frido on Gulo, who was one of the slowest guys I've ever fought. But he grazed you and he hurt you. He had heavy hands. That's the that's the kind of

power that I think Joyce hands. Uh kind of you know that Lennox lewis heavy handed power where he catches you at the end, he turns your lights out. But he's even bigger than Lennox lewis of just serious power. Man. You can't teach that. No, he's certainly got it. Um a lot of fights. I'd like to see Joe Joyce in next Joyce Deontay Wilder, old man. I'd love to see that Joyce, Tyson Fury, Joyce, Anthony Joshua. How but you've seen what Joyce is now thirty seven years old.

How hard do you think it's going to be for him to get a big fight? Um, it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be right, it's gonna be hard that they're gonna wait him out. You know, he's thirty seven, like you said, But don't you think like just you know, we keep mentionally Foreman right, Like Foreman was fighting in his forties and still pretty effective as a heavy win.

I think Joyce could be one of those guys when he hits the age of forty, if he wants to he can still be a really good heavy I agree with you, that's a great point, and it's because he's lumbering. He's not quick, he doesn't really grant chin and he has a chin. Well, if you're gonna have a longevity in the sport, you need you need chin um. But he's very strong. He doesn't rely on fast twitch muscles,

which that benefits an older fighter. The thing that really, you know, makes fighters retire and after the thirty five years old, they don't have the fast twitch, they don't have the legs anymore, they don't have the stamina, they don't have the endurance, they can't take the punch anymore. All that starts falling apart. As a heavyweight, when you're naturally not a fast twitch fighter, you're not very You

don't rely on speed. You just rely on on that heavy handed, slow dumping power that doesn't need to connect. Guys like that can last long in their career because it only takes one punch. So I can see Joyce fighting into the sporties early forties. Absolutely, yea. But for the short term, we know is not going to face him, at least we don't think so. Uh. I don't see Deontay while they're facing him anytime soon. He's got a path with Hillennious and then probably Andy Ruiz. Joshua has

got his own path. If we're gonna get into in a couple of minutes, here's a name for you. What about Jarrell Miller for Joe Joyce, big baby Drell Miller to put to remind people where Murderrell Miller is. You know, back in two thousand nineteen, he lost out on the Anthony Joshua fight because he tested positive for multiple banded substances. That happened again about a year later, just over a year later when he was scheduled to fight on a top rank card. He has come back recently. He's won

two very low level fights in a row. He had a show or a fight scheduled for this weekend in Kazakhstan. It was canceled because of reasons unrelated to Jarrell Miller. But I look at Darrell Miller as being an interesting opponent for Joe Joyce because you've got to get past all the bullshit, which is legitimate, all the drug tests and all that stuff. But he's still undefeated. He's got a big mouth. He's known to the British public because

he spent weeks and weeks promoting the A j fight. Uh. I kind of liked that fight for for Joe Joyce. If he wants to make it, I like it too. And that I don't even think of big Baby big Baby Miller because you said it. He has a big mouth. He's a self promoter. He gets under your skin. And Joyce is not gonna promote a fight with his mouth. So you know, he might backflip and get your attention, but he's not gonna He's not gonna go out there and start cussing opponents out and you know, act like that.

So I like that. I actually like that fight. I mean, if Dillian White's not around, I like Baby Miller better because of that. Oh, he hasn't been beaten. That always looks great on the fighter's resume. If you can take away that donut, that zero, it looks good on yours. It's a feather on your cap. And and and uh, when it comes to Dillian White, I like that fight because they're both British. I mean, Dalian White is always in a great fight. He's only been you know, beat

by by the guys in the top. And I think it'll be a fantastic style matchup with a guy that's been in there with every style you could think of. Em power is not enough to to intimidate him. I think Dillian White would have a lot of problems with Joe Joyce. Like Dillian has that big left hook, but you saw what happened with Tyson Fury. Joyce isn't his talented, his Fury, but he's Fury size, and we know we can take a punch. He's gonna keep coming, and I

think he eventually gets to to Gillian White. I like the Drell Miller fight. If you believe Jerrell Miller deserves another chance. How do you feel on that? As a former fighter, do you believe Jarrell Miller after testing positive multiple times for serious band substance, He's not testing positive for what could have been tainted meat. He's testing positive for stuff that gets injected into your body. How do you feel about Darrell Miller getting another chance at a

big fight? He's human man, Listen, we all hate cheaters, but he's already got his punishment. I mean, I think he's already he has million, he's lost out on millions and a potential of millions really and a potential heavyweight championship if he would have won. Um. Uh and what he's in his mid thirties, thirty four. I think he's younger than that. Maybe we can check, but I think he's younger than that. I think he's in his thirties from what I remember, younger. But either way, do you

think well age matters. That's what I'm saying. But yes, I believe he does need another chance, because you're right, just turned thirty four this past summer. There you go. Um, so he needs a big fight. You know, he's getting to that age. But he does have that that undefeated record, and he is a bad boy. He is a south promoter and he can fight. He's a big man with quick hands. Uh. Yeah, I'll give him one of the chance.

And look, man, I'm a fighter. I would hate to have thought that I went in there with someone that that cheated and used p DS. I hate the fact when fighters get tested and they get p DS in their system after the fight, before the fight, and everything goes to ship or when they deny it. No one's ever gonna admit. Yeah, you know I tried. I tried to cheat, but they caught me. No, one's ever gonna

say that they could. Everyone should. It's Darrell Miller. I mean the stuff he was caught with until he got caught with like five different substances, so there was no back to what I'm saying. Man, every person deserves another chance. We're all sinners, Mannix, We're all We're all freaking sinners, and especially in boxing and the way we grow up. You know, there's nothing good around us, and that's our outlet, that's our getaway. And you could tell that it was

just a bad decision. He lost out on millions. Um, he's even a little comeback against you know whatever fighters. I think it's a good fight. I liked that fight. I I didn't even think of big baby Miller. I was I was thinking just British. I was saying, but Dillion White or or a former Tyson Fury opponent like you know, walle or something Noah out of Walleen is fine.

But Drll Miller I think would certainly sell better. And you get a chance to be the guy that takes the O office resume, as you said, and um, I think it's good. I think if Drell Miller can get one more win on his resume, then maybe early next year you could do Drell Miller against Joe Joyce and

it would give him another name for that resume. And and if you're you're playing matchmaker for Joyce and trying to be you know, um calculating Miller's only he's been pretty much inactive, you know, in four years how many times did he fight or fourteen I believe was his last fight, his last big fight before the Joshua band. So they go one one once a year, maybe that he's fought against, you know, well, no, he had, he

had multiple years. Two was two years old. He came back I believe early this year to win those two fights, and now he's sort of on that comeback trail. On that subject of Miller, like, I do think he's paid a significant price. I would obviously never ever advise anyone to get in the ring with him unless you're doing the most stringent drug testing in the history of boxing drug testing. But look, Jean Pascal is out there and he's gonna he's one win away from getting a chance

to fight for the light heavyweight title. Like he tested positive what was it a couple of years ago for three different band substances, real band subs as well. So if Jean Pascal is getting another shot bite at the Apple, Drew Miller probably should as well. I agree, And that's why you know, I'm not being extra hard on him. You cand of just you can't just, you know, say he's done something he's been doing since he was a kid, just because he had one mistake. Like I said, we're

all human. He had a few mistakes, that's not you know, we're all human. Man. I'm not here to back him up, here to back he busted again a year after the aging stuff again, I think it's gonna fight Jerry Forrest in that fight if he got busted again, is wild? All right? Look like I said, I that's an addiction. I'm giving you my opinion. I'm not saying the Commission

should do it whatever. I'm giving you my opinion because I feel sorry for him as a fighter, because I know that he's invested so much time and effort to stay undefeated, to be relevant, to get the title, shot to find to get make start making some real serious money, and like a fucking idiot, you going and cheat. But then again you start to think, how many how many years has he been cheating for? How long has it been doing it? Then it taints the entire resume and

takes the name. You know, just like Lance Armstrong. You can't even talk about that name without just getting disgusted by steroids. You know, you'll never look at Lance Armstrong's accomplishments the same again. And that's what happens. Whenever you get caught. There's no going backwards. You're always known as a cheater, all right, So let's stay in the heavyweight division. Tyson Fury Anthony Joshua was official called off by Tayson Fury this week. Then it was back on according to

Tayson Fury. Now I honestly don't know where it stands. Here's Eddie Hearn on Thursday discussing the state of Fury and Joshua. A lot of what Tyson Fury says he's not true. Um So just to give you the truth. When we agree terms, we waited, say eight or nine days for a contract to come through, which is okay, it's a it's a big fire. The contract was all over the place, and all of last week we spoke to Queensbury every day to try and get it in

the right place. This Monday just gone. We sent them a final version of the contract, and Tyson Fury came out and said, fights off. I'm not fighting Anthony Joshua. Okay, so kind of like semi down tools yesterday. So Tuesday George Warren came and said, let me try and speak

to him. Let's keep working away. We're like okay. And then yesterday afternoon George Warren said, here's our comments on your final version, which again is fine, this this happens, I mean this fight and we're here for the Connor bend you Bank fight. I would say this fight from the first draft of the contract took two and a half months to sign. So anyway, we haven't had the contract for fourteen days. By the way, that's not true either.

But again, uh, last night at midnight I spoke to George Warren and he said, look, let me speak to Tyson Fury, see if I can try and get him back in the fire. Didn't hear anything other than a post on Instagram today to say sign a contract today, advise its off again. So we've got the con we've got the comments from Queen's Brianna contract. We're going to

go back on that today. It's not getting signed today, as I told you, no one's asking us or putting pressure on us to sign the contract on these given days other than Tyson Fury's Instagram account. So let me ask you this, Surgail. Is it important for the two sides here to make Fury Joshua right now? Yes, em phatic. Yes, it has to happen, man, because politics always gets in the way of a fight. Injuries get in the way

of a fight. Promoters, money, networks, managers. So many hurdles you have to jump just to get a mega fight to happen, and nowadays it seems like it's only gonna happen when it's past their prime. Allah Mayweather, Pakia where it happens. Yes, it would broke records. Yes, people loved it if they bought it. But then after the fight, I was like, man, both these guys are too old. It's not happening in their prime. That's exactly where Spenceon

and Crawford are going there. There headed in that direction as well. I mean, the biggest fights that we need we don't get. We didn't get a J. We didn't get a j versus Fury. This is another big fight that almost got done. So many incredible fights that can happen, and that's just not happen. So yes, I say, get it done. I don't care. You know, whatever it takes, get it done. And I think Fury was doing that. I mean as far as what he was promoting on

social media, you know, sixty forty uh. He sent him a contract, he said he wants to get it done. But of course we didn't get to see here. Joshua's side just embarrassing. Man, it's boxing for you. Well, here's why I disagree, disagree. Why I disagreed that it needs to be made right now. I disagree because I think this fight can get exponentially bigger, and it can get exponentially bigger in a very short period of time. You make Fury versus a j right now, and it is

the biggest fight in British boxing history. You know, eight thousand in a stadium somewhere. I guess Cardiff is the targeted uh site. You make tens of millions, maybe over a hundred million dollars in total revenue. It's a monster, but it's not quite as big as it could be a year from now, when Anthony Joshua hopefully gets his career back on track, when Fury hopefully wins a fight

against alexand Ustica becomes undisputed champion at heavyweight. I know that there is risk there because Joshua his career could continue to slide. Fury, even though I think both of us would agree, is the favorite against usk Um. He could lose that fight and then we're out a potential mega fight. But I just see a light at the end of this Fury Joshua tunnel that has this fight being huge, the biggest fight in boxing history if it gets gets made a year from now. All I heard

was hopefully, and you said it twice, hopefully. Yeah. I don't want to rely on a mega fight on hopefully. It's yes or no. There's no maybes, there's no isssure, there's no hopefully manics. You gotta make that stuff happen, Make it happen while you can make it happen. And it almost got close to happening, according to Fury. He sent the contract. It was sixty forty according to Fury,

but we didn't get it, man, we did not get it. Now, whatever happens next, it's gonna be hopefully, you know, where both of them win and we can get it back again. Like you said later next year. I don't rely on that, man, I rely on facts. I rely on Look, I'm gonna have one more fight, and I want to fight him now. You know what. I don't want that other fight. I want to fight him next. That's it. Let's make it happen. There's no there's no hoping here. It's let's get it done.

This is business. This is boxing business. There's two things. So I'm a boxer. I'm gonna take care of my boxing and then I'm gonna take care of my business. It was that closely getting done, I would think, But it's just bad, bad, bad bad. I say, make it, make the fight happen next. I don't want to rely on hopefully. Yeah, but you look at Tyson Fury right now,

and he's at the peak of his powers. He is the best heavy weight in the world by a significant amount, I would say, and he would go into that a j fight peaking. Where is Anthony Joshua right now? In your mind, you've watched the last two fights against Usick. He looked sharper in the rematch against us but he still lost. And then he went out and have that meltdown in the ring afterwards. We don't know what the status is of Robert Garcia as his trainer. We don't

know what the status is of Angel Fernandez as his trainer. Serger, You've told me many times over the years that you need more than one fight to get used to a new trainer, that you need time to adjust to him. Like I want to see Anthony Joshua fight. And I've said this before, the British or like not the British, he is British, Dave Allen or somebody like that over

in the UK in December January. Go on and fight Dillian White in April or May, and then you get to September October, and that's when you fight Tyson Fury. I don't look at a j right now as being anything more than like of what he could be at this moment where his fury is at his very best. I like the comeback fight to get that confidence and that knockout again just kicked the ship out of somebody. Absolutely, Um done that. Um Yeah, it's been a while. It's

uh povetkan no bathroom and povy knocked out. I mean he kind of struggled, Yeah he did. I don't think he looked at full capacity there. I think Povkian was the last time we've seen him, you know, firing on all cylinders. But I like that plan, and it has to do with a damaged ego and a damaged you know,

former champion. You get him that confidence back. Every power puncher, you know, every power puncher from you know Forming too, you know Tommy hearns when they lost that first fight, you know, the first loss it was, it was by knockout. They had to get that feeling back again. And then once they started knocking our guys again, they won the title again. They that's who exactly what this man needs right now. He needs to make He needs to fill

on top of the world. He needs to hear the words, you know, and the winner Anthony Joshua hands up in the air, the roar of the crowd. That's addicting, Mannix, that's addicting. And once that winning filling comes back, it's something you've you've felt all your life, and then you can go into another big fight. All you need to do is have a good, solid one. Were you agreeing with me? Yes, I am, but you just did I wouldn't go as far as you say David Allen. No, but you so you would if you were a j

you would put off the Fury fight. Then no, this is what we're talking about. Though. I know that's what we're talking about. Do Fury and it's not happening now. It might from what from what they're changes his mind By the time people listen to this podcast on Friday, theory might have changed his mind three times already. Like it keeps the goalpost, keep moving with Tyson Fury. All right,

I say take the Fury fight. If that fight doesn't happen, then yes, your plan works well, but not a David Allen. Someone will more recognition and some someone that that people can at least recognize. You want to see him kills out there. I don't think like management buddies now doesn't managed churches or I think management well, I mean, it could be someone along those I want along those lines. I didn't say it just so, but along those lines.

All Right, we gotta move on. Let's talk about Demetrius Andreid. Oh exactly. Uh, the now former middleweight champion is a man without a fight. After Andreid elected to withdraw from an interim title fight and drem hundred sixty eight pound title fighter should say against Zach Parker. The reason was financial. When Frank Warren, who promotes Zack Parker, initially won the purse bid for uh for Andreid Parker back in the spring, it was for one point eight million. Andreid had to

withdraw from that fight because of an injury. A new purse bid was ordered, which resulted in Warren winning for just three hundred and five thousand, which is a significant cut for Demetrius. Andrew decided that was not enough money to go ahead with that fight. But now Andreid is thirty four and faced with being out of the ring for more than a year. Sergio, where does Demetrius Andreid our friend go from here? Well, I'll tell you where

he is, because I've been there before. Whenever you're you've been getting paid really really well and and being a champion and been in the limelight, and then you have that hiccup and he hasn't even lost, and it's a hiccup. But you can't get the big fights anymore. The phone stops ringing. You're not a sought out, you know, a commodity, You're not You're not hot anymore. You have to take a dangerous fight you have to take a high risk, low reward type fight to get respect. And now the

shoes on the other foot, Mannix. That's the reason people didn't want to fight Demitrius Andreid. He was too much of a high risk, low reward. Now Andreid's on the other side of that. That's what he needs to do. He he needs to go and beat a fighter like a I would think, like a jannebec h Line Cannoey, scary Kazakhstan, another south Paw. He'll get respect doing that, someone that no one wants to face right now, someone along those lines. Because a Chard was not gonna fight him.

Canell certainly not gonna find him. He's not gonna get a marquete name. But get a scary, little you know, unknown like that and wipe the floor with him or win convincingly. That's how you turn heads. So that's what Andrew needs to do. If he wants to get back to the seven figure pay days that he got accustomed to. You know, he has to take a high risk, low reward type fight. I agree, Um, I don't think that fight is jennebec. I think that fight is David Benavidez.

And there's been some wait, a minute. Is a champion, that's a that's a champion, former champion, champion though, that's a name recognition. What are you talking about time champion defeated. You're not a champion right now. No one's ever beat him. Who is the champion in one sixty eight? Yes, Benavidez has the secondary title for the WBC. There's been some industry chatter, Chap, I don't care what you say. He's lost it twice, once on the scales and once because

of a record. This is a dumb part of the argument. Benavidez is the ideal opponent for andre Okay, but Andreid needs to find a way to align himself with al Hammon. He has to. He has to go over to the PBC side. It's the only way for him to get a significant fight. Eddie Hearn tried for three years to make a big fight for Demetrius Andreid Andred Met a

lot of money. It didn't work. Top rank. They would have done a deal for Andreid to fight Janna back, but they have nobody else out there for I mean, he's not gonna fight like Edgar Berlang is not going to fight, and that's for sure. Where the action is for Demetrius Andreid is with the PBC, and it's gonna have to start with David Benavidez. That's an incredibly dangerous fight for Andreid, who would be making his debut at

a hundred and sixty eight pounds. But if he beats Benavidez, all of a sudden, he's in position to fight Caleb Plant, to fight Jamal Charlo, to maybe put get in the mix to fight Canelo. If he's able to beat someone like Benavidez. I think that's the only option right now, Sergio, Like whatever money al Haman is offering Demetrius Andred, if he's offering anything at all, he has to take it. He has to find a way to get in the

ring with David Benavidez. All roads, Mannix, all roads, when the doors are shut in your face, lead to Al Hayman. You would know. I wouldn't know because they shut every single door. I mean when I when I want to say Al Hayman and I made a lot of money towards the end of my career, So I think I love that idea. Demetrius Andreid should sign with Al Hayman. That man will get you paid like you're accustomed to, and he will put you in front of the big names.

He might take one or two fights, but he'll put you in front of those champions that I love that idea. Well, I mean he Andreid passed on the chance to fight or to be part of the showtime al haman Um network, you know about two years ago. If there's an off for him, now he's got to take it because I mean, I mean, surg you at thirty four years old, can you believe this as talented as Andreid is, And he's

incredibly talented. We both agree on that he has never fought a former world champion and his entire career he's never fought a world champion or a former world champion. He wanted title at one as a vacant belt, beating Vonus matt Erosion, and he won his title at won sixty as we know, against Walter Couten Daqua. Now he's had some bad luck along the way. Was supposed to by Billy Joe Saunders back in uh two thousand and eighteen.

That didn't happen, But he will have one of the thinnest resumes of any two time world champion or two division world champion I've ever heard of at this point. Yeah, you know what now that now that you mentioned that, I'm thinking about, Wow, he did pick up you know, vacant titles. You know, that's a title holder. That's a two division title holder. I've never heard that expression before. That's a two division title holder because, you know, my the way I think of it, you need to beat

a champion to become a champion. If you pick up a vacant strap, that makes you a title holder. No shame there, You're still a title holding the older belt. I never saw it that way because I think the world of Andreid ever since, you know, he made the Olympics represented US. You know, I think he's one of these avoided you know, scary fighters and no one wants to face. And he's not the Laura you know type, you know, talent like that. But yeah, he hasn't fought

a champion. That's incredible and it blows my mind because he's that avoided. Yeah, I mean he has avoided is the right word. He has been avoided at four. He was avoided at one sixty to not be avoided one sixty eight. He's got a step in the lion's den right away. His first fight's gotta be against David Benavidez. I think that's possible to I've heard some chatter about that maybe happening before the end of the year. I think Benavidez side wants that. Benavidez doesn't duck any smoke

he wants. I was about to tell you, I was about to tell you that without saying the words smoke and please don't ever use the word smoke again, just doesn't sound. But yes, he he but he wants all the fire he wants. That is the difference. Oh yeah, Well he wants all all the he wants the hardest challenges and I I get it, man. And a guy like Benavidez, he doesn't turn down anybody. I guy like, hey, the Plant will be cowculated, be like, no, let him beat somebody. Who else is that one six rail? Like

Caleb Plant beat somebody first? How about that? It's Caleb Plant. But but Canello, But he has Canell on his resume. That's like the Romero arguments. He got knocked out. And and now look at Roly Romero. He has a name, he has a recognition. You see him around fights. People want to take pictures of him. He carries himself with that bad boy sway. Doesn't matter. People know him by

now and people that's what matters. Doesn't winning matter? Of course winning matters, but also getting big fights because you're you're you're known, you have name recognition. You're not a nobody anymore. So you think you're known for getting knocked out doesn't matter. People know the name Rolly Romero and Caleb Plant because of who they fought. That's that. That's that. So now they can they can they have a little weight on their name. Then let him cash out on.

This is the state of boxing in a nutshell. You are known and you are considered a success because you got knocked out by a high level opponent. That that is absurd in every possible way. That's what happens. Man. I mean, just because you kill Jesse James doesn't make you Jesse Jack. Yes, I remember, I saw the movie. Yes,

I got it. Uh. I don't want to make this about Rolly Romero though, But like the problem with what you're talking about with Rolly Romero and to a lesser degree Caleb Plant is like they think what who they got in the ring with and lost to entitles them to something big. Roller Romero could have gotten a fight

by now. Chances are, though, he's not going to fight the rest of this year and may not fight till the middle of next year because he thinks he's worthy of Errol Spence or he thinks he's worthy of Ryan Garcia somebody like that. That's ridiculous, of course it is, but you put him in with like, you know, Errol Spence wants him to fight Frank Martin, his guy, the

outer and thirty five pounder. Roller Mere is not gonna do that because Frank Martin probably beats him that and Romero already has recognition where he can bring that name value and get a bigger fight. And he's the Derek so of say I give a story, He's not like No, Romero is like a like a record of Mayorga. He's like a Mayorga. He talks, he talks to talk, and he has a big punch and people love that. My Orga at least was fighting guys too, though why he

became a champion. Absolutely, Yeah, it's a little bit different there, all right, Uh, let's talk about Floyd Maywether. The Floyd Mayweather Exhibition Tour continued last week with may where they're knocking out mkiro Asakara, a Japanese mm A star who is well known on that side of the world. Up next for Floyd is a November exhibition against Degi, the younger brother of influencer K s I. But then, Sergio, things could get interesting. Jake Paul has called for a

fight against Mayweather. When asked about fighting Jake Paul, Mayweather said this, he said, I'm only doing real fights. Of course I can't get up high and weight, but I'll fight him in a real fight at the way that I'm at. But as a right now for what he's doing, it's good for what he's doing, but once he fights a real, actual, real fighter, it's gonna be last day. Sergio, do you like a fight between Floyd Mayweather and Jake Paul?

Of course I do, And I'm gonna explain why because Floyd maybe that like you said on on the on the Victory Tour, the celebrity tour, the non boxing tour, and this guy, this man, this legend, this this is one of the greats of our generation. Money Mayweather deserves it nowadays. He spent his entire life, his entire career dedicated to become as great as he was fifty and no, you know, numerous world champions made all the money in

the world. Now it's time for him to just rob the bank, the heist, you know, go on the on the studdle tour, kick, kick the hell out of m m A fighters, kick the hell out of you know, Connor McGregor's and break pay per view records, kickboxers whatever. You can fight whoever he wants. And now if he wants to fight another celebrity YouTube celebrity, he already beat Logan Paul. Yeah, whoop the hell out of his brother. It would be a great thing. I think he'll I

think you'll do well. Okay, you have to differentiate between the collection of guys like Degi and do I just mentioned the YouTuber is gonna fight next uh, the two Japanese fighters he fought in the last year there in one category, Jake Paul is in another. Jake He's better than those guys, is what I'm saying, and that makes him more dangerous to Floyd May with her Sergio. You

watched Floyd against Logan Paul. Um it was ugly, but you know, Logan Paul was using his size to kind of push Mayweather around a little bit during that fight. I don't know who wanted. I wasn't scoring it. I was cringing during most of it. But he went the full what eight round distance against Floyd Mayweather. And Jake Paul is a better boxer than Logan Paul. Jake Paul actually has real knockout power. Now I'm skeptical that fight would ever happen because Jake Paul is walking around at

h ninety pounds. Floyd, what is he like round one sixty at this point, maybe a little lower one fifty four. I don't see Jake Paul getting down that low and weight for a fight like that. I don't see Floyd going up that further. But unless the money is astronomically high, why would you get into the ring with someone who is a developing boxer who has real power? Why would

you do it? Sergio? Like, if you can make low seven figures to fight these absolute walkovers like the guy he fought in his last fight and the guy is gonna fight in his next fight, why would you risk it? Why would you risk having your entire legacy forgotten, which it would be and you know it, it would be forgotten if you get starched from one punch from Jake Paul. The full disclosure, Mannix. Does Jake Paul sponsor your show? He does not. Why are you so infatuated with Jake Paul?

Why are we talking about Jake Paul? Because he would fight it, That's why we're Are you praising his power like he's Rocky Marciano or somebody he's been knocking power. He's a strong kid, but I don't think he has power. He's knocking out non boxers. You know how many non boxes I knocked out in the hood. I mean, that's just basically what he's doing. He's knocking out guys because he's a strong athletic kid. Him and his brother are

strong athletic you know, former football players, wrestlers. These guys are strong. They you know, Yeah, anyone could punch hard with if you don't know how to, if you don't know how to duck. Floyd Mayweather is a defensive genius. Most boxers know how to defend themselves. Roll roll, roll from a shot. These guys, what makes them good is that they're strong. What's gonna make them suck when they fight a real pro fighters that they can't take a punch.

That's the main thing. Once they get hit, they're gonna turn their back and quiver, or they're gonna go down and they're not gonna know how to react. That's where the difference is gonna be, Maddox. That's where the difference is gonna be. Not whether they could punch out like you're so like in love with the power. It's whether they could take a damn punch. It's not gonn take a big punch. That's why Floyd maywether so comfort a hundred and sixty pounds against a hundred ninety pounds if

he had some dead in the chin, doesn't. It's not gonna better that they don't know how to take a punch. These guys do not know how to take up punch. Okay, So why did Logan Paul go the distance? Then? Because you had forty pounds on him. He had forty pounds on Floyd May with her so size, Obviously he's gonna matter when it comes to a certain not only that he had height, he had everything on him. Jacoble have some hid on him. Jacob probably have some weight on him.

He re hydrated pretty high up. Okay, I'm not saying Jake won't go some rounds. I mean Jake will go some rounds. And look, Floyd was never a knockout puncher in his best days, Like he wasn't like I take it back. His best days were probably before he was really good as a knockout puncher. It that way, But since he got to seven above, he was not a knockout punch. He's not gonna knock out Japaul. It's not

gonna happen. And I'd be concerned that he just gets caught that at forty five years old, his reflexes aren't quite what they used to be. He just gets caught with a big punch, which all of a sudden makes that like the front the first line is Wikipedia page like it becomes, you know, a part of his narrative. He doesn't need that. He accomplished way too much in the sport of boxing to put himself in that position.

The bottom line for me, Sergio is I would if I was advising Floyd and he's got smart people around him, I would say, don't go anywhere near Jake Paul. Makes no sense for you to do that. You're insane. He's laughing all the way to the bank. And that's the reason he comes out with that with that mask, that robber robbers mask, you know, because it's a heist. Every time he goes into one of these these you know, non boxing fights, it's highst he he leaves all the

way left in all the way to the bank. And there's another another case of that. So yeah, I'm all for money. Mayweather whooping the hell out of another Paul Brother. I'll give it to Floyd. A great businessman in his active days in a great businessman in retirement. Like I watched the replay of that fight against Asakura. I think

I had no chance. And look, Deji is gonna get cloppered in that fight in the Middle East, like just gonna get beat up in Floyd is gonna cash a seven figure paycheck to go and do it, like thanks for coming way to work up a sweat to knock some nobody out and here's well over a million dollars. He's not a businessman. He's a business man, so let him handle his business. Damn, who are you trying to sound like they're that's a jay Z line. You wouldn't know,

you don't. You don't sound like Jay Z delivering it though, Well it's out of context. All right, Um, let's talk about Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis while we wait for Ryan versus Tank in the ring. The two of them may not be all that willing to wait for a fight outside of the ring. Garcia was on social media this week detailing a near altercation he had with Tank at a Los Angeles nightclubs Sergio. Negotiations, I'm told are still ongoing for Garcia versus Tank, either in December or

January of next year. I'll put the question this way. Who needs that fight to happen more? Ryan Garcia or Tank Davis. They both do equally equally Mannix and I hate. I hate the fact that I'm you know, I'm not choosing the side, and you know you don't like me when I write the border like that, But they both do. Tank his damn near twenty eight years old, and he hasn't faced a legitimate scary champion. He's faced Gamboa, a guy that was past his prime. Uh Santa Cruz, someone

that was much smaller. He has not faced anyone that's on his level. And when he did on Easta Cruz, which was not a championship type fight. You know, he wasn't a champion. He gave him hell. He gave him hell. So that's Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia on the other end. They're moving him really nicely. But he's only four years old. You know, he's four years younger than Tanks. So he's fine.

But you know a lot of people do think that that he that he just calls out guys because they know that they're not gonna then they're not gonna take the fight. So I would love for one of these champions that Ryan Garcia calls out on social media and he has a lot of followers to finally say, you know what, all right, kid, I'm sending you the contract, because then you know, that's when you know he's if he's real. I know Ryan Garcia's frou. I've seen it from my own eyes when when he got off the

campus with Lou Campbell. I said it, We're gonna see what this kid's made up because I was in doubt. I didn't know what he had. You don't know how you're gonna react when you get clipped like that for the first time, dropped and hurt by a real a real fighter, a guy like Lou Campbell. He got up and closed the show like a champ. He had that look in his eye, the eye of the tiger. So I I believe in Ryan Garcia. So who needs this fight?

They both do. And it's aside from Joshua Fury or or or Canella whoever else, it's the biggest fight in the boxing. It's yeah, it's it's up there, um, bigger than Crawford Spence if he's a commercial for sure. Yeah, um, I understand why you say Ryan Garcia needs that fight, but con Jamonta Davis needs it a lot more. Jamonta Davis is gonna be twenty years old in November, and to your point, is not fund anyone anyone really consider

high level at this point. His biggest win came back when he was at a hundred and thirty pounds against Tozi Benevidez. Like that's come on, let's let's be real with this. If Javonte Davis fights, I don't even know who would fight. We have this conversation all the time. I don't know who's there at one thirty or one thirty five or even one forty in the PBC universe that makes any sense, Like could he dropped back to one thirty to fight Hector Luis Garcia for his title.

I guess that would be a credible fight for him, but he's not gonna go back to one thirty and Garcia doesn't have the same kind of credibility at one thirty five. Look, even the most staunchest of Garcia or sorry of TANKS supporters, guys like Ak and Barack we work with Onto Zone, have said to me, like, if if he doesn't take a real fight in his next fight, you know, we're gonna start to turn on him as well. Like, you know, even the biggest advocates for Tank are saying, now,

he needs a big fight. We've been saying it for two years now, Well you've been saying it for two years, saying I've been maybe a year and a half a year from a year. Yeah, I got, I got I kind of I kind of. Uh. But he needs it, man, like he can't. Yes, he does, and he's got to be the one that goes to Al Hayman and goes to Leonard Labe and the people that are responsible for charting the course of his career and say make the fight.

Now he has done that with Ryan Garcia, Like I said, I've talked to people during this week, like there are still talks going on for Garcia against uh Davis. I don't know how. I don't know if it gets done because it is a complicated fight to make, and I never believe fights like that are gonna happen. They are talking about doing it. But if you're Garcia and if your tank, specifically tank, you gotta make this fight happen.

You gotta ram this fight through and and get it to the finish line because you need Ryan Garcia more than Ryan Garcia needs you. If you if Ryan Garcia doesn't get tank, he stays at one forty starts to move his career forward. At a hundred forty pounds, there fights there for he'd probably get a shot surgeon at a vacant title or one of those like like Program versus the Page is happening, hold on Program Versubta is happening. I think in November like Garcia would get an opportunity

to fight the winner of that fight. I believe Um or some other of those hundred forty pounds times that have broken off now that Josh Taylor has given a bunch of them up. So I think Garcia has a path forward that is credible. I don't know what the path forward is for Tank if he's going to continue to avoid these types of big fights. Garcia is the most marketable fight, uh as far as you know, the

higher numbers and pay per view and all that. But the fight that will be more interesting in my opinion at one forty is a fight between Tank and Teo Female Lopez. Could you imagine that fight, the build up that can be in the Barclays or anywhere in New York or or in the East Coast. It'll do big. That's a pay per view fight as well. Be a

different crowd. You have Ryan Garcia with all the sixteen year old girls in social media, you know, uh, celebrities, and when it comes to Tank and Teal Female, that'll be the hardcore that'll be That'll be the East Coast. That'll be the irving crowd. That'd be boxing diehad die hards. That will be a hell of a fight. Let me give you a different a hell of it. It's a great fight, don't get me wrong. Let me give you a different pathway. I would like to see Tank tape.

I would like to see him find a way to get the Ryan Garcia fight done. If he gets that fight done, you know I want to see him fight after that. Of course Stevenson. Stevenson moving up to because of course Stevenson is one of these guys you don't want to fight. Oh God, here we go, so you avoid? Would that good? Okay? Then? But you're if you're a top dog at one thirty five, shekor is a top dog at one thirty five, why would you take that fight?

And after court? If you could fight a way to win that fight, Devin Hanny is gonna be out there. I would go chase Steven Hanny and the undisputed championship at one thirty five. There you go, that makes more sense, Davin. Devin Haydy has been clipped and we know how he reacts. You know, we've seen him rock by Lenards. Tank is a bigger punch of Leonards. He's more explosive, and he's a naturally bigger fighter. So uh yeah, at this point, if Tanks not fighting garcias, how much of this to

you're a fighter? How much does you put on the fighter? Like we're sitting here talking about what a great pathway it is to fight those three guys you make make a ton of money. Could you make a ton of money doing those fights? Those our pay per view time fights? You answered your own question the money. That's why the fact that it listen to me, man, you're asking me, you're giving my opinion. Look, man, we grow up from nothing. I I came from East l A. He's he h

Tank Davis from Baltimore. We had nothing, the gangs of drugs. When you start making seven figures a fight, when you start making that kind of money, when you go from insufficient funds to seven figures and he's making a lot more than I ever did. Come on, man, whatever you're doing, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And guess what it's not broken? May where the promotions is moving them? Well, they're all, you know, getting some money off that pot.

Why it ain't broke? Don't think? Okay, But you then can't sit there and your promoters can't sit there and say, Tank, it should be on the pound for pound list. And that's why me and you never include them in that pound for poundless. That's what That's what me and you give Akin bur Rocks so much ship because we know that you know, they just don't call it like it is. They're not calling the spade of spade. I'm with you on that, and I'm a big fan of Tank. I

love watching them fight. I order his pay per views because I'm a fan. But I agree with you thin resume at this point, almost twenty eight years old, and you don't have a solid, undefeated championship name on your resumes. And Jose Padraza, no, man, you deserve all the criticism. Alright, A couple of questions I want to take from Instagram before we go. Marcos asked, are you starting to get

worried about Errol Spence versus Terrence Crawford. Sergio, we have like credit good reporters, people I I know and respect, have like over the course of the last month, month and a half have written like this fight is so close. Several times. I'll tell you what I you know, I have heard about this that there's still a lot of optimism it gets done for November nineteen. There's still are details in this fight contract that they're slogging through, but

they still believe it's gonna get done. But Sergio, six weeks six weeks away. At some point we are gonna have to stop saying, well, it's okay, you don't have to promote the fight. You don't need that much time to promote the fight. Well, I mean, what is the mark, right? Is it six weeks? Is it five weeks? Is it four weeks? When do we start to panic about this fight happening? I gave up on that fight. I wouldn't give up on it. I gave up on that fight

because you need eight weeks in camp. Eight weeks in camp for that fight, I think. But you know this is a fight, Okay, they're in cape in camp. Okay. The marketing machine needs a good five weeks, a good five weeks of solid pumping that you know, commercials and and billboards and all that. So yeah, you need a good five weeks to really make it a big event

like that. But these guys, I mean, they're the best of the best, and they're not really talking about fighting each other that they don't talk about each other's names, they don't they're not marketing it all. Well, I mean, it's gonna be another version of Mayweather Pakia where that fight finally happened. It's gonna do great, but something's gonna be missing one of them. It's something's gonna be missing. The inactivity is gonna kick in for one of them,

an injury or something's gonna pop up. It's not going to be the same, or maybe one guy got older, you know, overnight. It's gonna be one of those fights where it just happened a little bit too late, man, and it wasn't the same that that the the taste already one bitter in my mouth for that fight. Even if it does happen at the end of this year, it's kind of just like you know you you would if it happens through the end of this year. It happens to December, say not. No. Nine is still the target.

It's Christmas time, December. I'm thinking about Christmas, man, But November nine, you're not all right, You're not a big Thanksgiving guys, so relax, you're thinking about you you'd be interested, you'd want to see that fight in mid November. I would say, I still believe I'm just putting putting it out there. I still believe that fight will happen in November nineteenth, and you've but you've done the surgio. I

agree with the marketing part. I think, like, let's say this fight was gonna land, is gonna land on showtime pay per view, which is most likely in this scenario. Um by not having it signed and sealed, you've blown like four weeks of college football advertising on c YES to promote this fight and get people interested in remember this fight. Now. Some some people might say it doesn't really matter until like the week of the fight, two

weeks for the week of the fight. I disagree. I think you want to get it on people's brains sooner rather than later. But uh, I still think there's enough time for this fight to happen and be worth the weight that we put into it these guys. Is gonna help because these guys need to be on talk shows. They need to be commercials. Boxing is given up on mainstream media. It drives me crazy, but it has not for megafights. Not for megafights like that, of course is

the last we're Cannello and Golofkin on. You know, talk shows are doing things like that that wasn't mainstreams and the first two fights not for this one. This is what they already had name recognition, they already fought and people already knew. Telling you one of my biggest the one of things that irritates me the most about boxing promoting is that I think promoters have given up on

mainstream media. I think the you know, you saw what impact mainstream media had on Taylor Serrano, Like Taylor Serrano was are on Good Morning America, like the week of the fight, They're on freaking Good Morning America. They're doing all this mainstream media. New York Times, Washington Post. Hell, I'll give myself a pop. Sports Illustrated did a big spread on on the two women. Like that matters to to get casual fans interests. Why do you think I'm

here talking to you. I spent sixteen weeks on national television on NBC Prime Time. It's correct. So yes, that matters. mainStreet matters because mom and pops needn't want to see instead of just the boxing office Toronado's that's when you become a crossover star when people that don't watch boxing are watching boxing events and fights like that will capture the imagination of non boxers, and if it's not happening, then it's just another one that's blown in the wind.

It's too bad. I think they should do you know, promoters should do more. I think actually top right, is a pretty good job with mainstream media, at least trying to tap into it to a degree. But for the most part, it just seems like in boxing were satisfied with just going after the people in our bubble and

that that's fine to a certain degree. You want to appeal to the hardcore fans that have helped get you here, but you're not gonna grow the sport unless you're bringing casual fans in and making them uh real fans uh as well. Last question for you, uh, I had a couple of questions on this. Alexander Vostick. Do you see this is planning a comeback? The former light heavyweight champion used to train under Teddy Atlas. He lost kind of brutallyite to Archer Betterbef got beat up at the end

of that fight, was there and he retired. I was wondering why he retired. Well, I mean, I think that was a pretty good beating he took from Better, but it was one I know you think that Vosti has a future in the last division. Absolutely, that was a confusing retirement there reminded me of a Dmitri Pirog and Pirog retired undefeated, good name, undefeated, That's exactly what it reminded me of. Just one beating at the top of

the list. Both of you as are champions to unify, you come up short, be mean, okay, but it's your first and then you retired. That blew my mind. And I'm not accustomed to that because boxers get to that point and that's when they start making real money. To leave all that money on the table when you made all that effort to become a champion and build your name,

it just doesn't make sense. So of course I think Bostick should come back and and left off where where you start, where he left off at And Bostick was the guy who knocked out Donna Stevenson took his title off him back in two thousand and eighteen, and then lost that fight two fights later to Archer Better but thirty five years old, so there's a bit of a shelf life on him. But he's a good enough boxer that I think you can get back to the mix if he takes two or three fights. I'm curious to

see which promoter, if any shows interested him. Um, you can certainly see match Room, matt Room. You know you've got Joshua Boots out there with match Room. You've got Bevil still in the stable. That makes a lot of sense for for Boston. Can he decides to come back? Uh, your comeback will wait to hear about for a few weeks. It's gonna happen. You know what's gonna happen, right Listen, man, I've been pitching a bag like l a fitness. I've been in the gym for seven weeks and it's getting

good to me. Mannix. I'm telling you right now, you're coming better. I'd better not get a call from one of these geeks in celebrity town and celebrity YouTubers, because I'll beat the hell out of any of these guys that calls my name out. You hear me, Jaul, when we come back. My conversation with Sebastian Fandura. Alright, football season is underway, So now is the perfect time to download FanDuel America's number one sports book because right now new customers get a no sweat first bet up to

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of the NFL. Alright, Sebastian Fundura is here undefeated junior middleweight contender. On October eight, he will be back facing former title challenger Carlos Ocampo in southern California. That's a fight you can see on Showtime and the Towering Inferno joins me on the show. First of all, one of the best nicknames in all the boxing I think, like, tell me about where the nickname came from. My nickname came from a movie, but uh, it came from the

idea of my promoter. Sampson quips, what did you think when he branded you that? I didn't I don't really care for I was like, whatever, it's kind of making fun of me. But you know, later on in my career I figured out it did fit well because you know, the towing, because the height, and then the ferno, because the way we fight. You thought that would was like making fun of you in a way a little bit, a little bit. Sampson likes to joke a lot, so yeah, I took it. I took it as a took it

an offense. He does like the joke a lot, that's for sure. Um, all right, scale of one to ten one being incredibly easy, tend being the hardest thing you have ever done. How difficult is it for you to make weight for every fight? One and so one that's the one that's incredible. It's not problem. That's that's wild man. You're six ft six and you're making one at a level of one that easy, that easy, fairly easy I'll have to do is to workout on fine, I'll be solid on my weight. So like a week or so

before you're fighting, how close are you to um? Probably walking out like won six right now? Four pounds off, six pounds off five. Maybe if you had to squeeze down to welterweight again, could you do it? Of course of course? But right now I want to champ. I want to I want to take my chance and win about I want fifty four because that's how I even doing my career. Does I mean does it surprise you

that it's that easy? I mean, for some athletes it's incredibly easy, right Like I work with Sergio Mora who tells me all the time, like I can't keep weight on. I can't keep weight on. I've been retired for five years. I'm like at one seventy five right now? Does it I mean, does it surprise you with all how easy it is to get down to I think it's just the metabolism, you know, and then they're training on top

of that. You know, we're always sweating. But I'm gonnabolism is the priority fast, So that's uh, that's probably why so how much do you pay attention to your eating habits? You know, during a training camp. I eat healthy. I do eat healthy, but uh, I mean if I can't almost sneak in a couple of cheeseburgers, you know, if I can, of course, but like kind of getting close to the day to the fight day, eating more healthy and respecting my diet. I don't have a bad diet,

but again it's more stripped. So the friday before away and like, how are you feeling before? Are you eating the night before? Are you eating that morning? How are you what are you doing before the way in? Of course, yeah, we eat what wet dinner, what we dinner the night before, but maybe cut that breakfast because you know, the breakfast is so close to the way in. But other than that, we'll well, we'll be eating a whole day until the way. Anyone that's ever tried to lose weight in their life

hates you right now listening. Yeah, everybody's always asking me, are you feeling you're hungry? How are you hungry? Now? I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm smiling though always, so it's it's I'm fine. I mean, you must look across at fighters during the weigh ins. You know, guys are smaller than you, and then you can probably tell when they're dry,

when they've been kind of starving themselves down. Definitely, definitely you can tell boxers U hungry when he has that hoodie on his head down or has the headphones on and you you are the sunglasses as well. You know they don't want to be talked to. So I did ask you about welter weight, like, what's the lowest way you think you could possibly get to without killing yourself? I think well to weight, you know, I never I would never want to squeeze anything lower than that, you know,

that's uh. I feel like I will to wait, we'll be squeezing a little bit, and in my in my theory that that's unhealthy. You know. Yeah, did you watch Paul Williams coming up? You know another guy that was a really really tall welter in one. Unfortunately, the only five scene against UH with him is when m Martini. I knew you're gonna say that. I mean, I hadn't see that one. You gotta go back and watch the

Margharito one Sebastia. That was the great Paul Williams and Margharita was so scary, and Paul Williams went out there and just dominated him from start to finish. The Martinez one I was at that one Atlantic city that didn't go so well for Yeah, definitely not all that night. Um so you're twenty four years old. Now, when did your kind of first growth spurt really start? Um? I think thirteen. I was like five five, five six, and then all of a sudden I grew up to like

six six. Were you an athlete at that point? I mean, I know your parents were boxers, it runs in the family. But were you playing other sports around then? No? Only boxing. I was on doing boxing this whole time, so it was cool. It was pretty cool tellering everybody else told them the teachers already, so you know when they when I would get in trouble, they would probably look up to me and and and nag me From that way.

You but you must have had a basketball coach come up to you and be like, let's go, let's put every school, every school I went to, middle school, high school. They always always told me so. But you know, I never really cared for the supports, so you know, so you never even wanted to try it. Never you wanted to go in that direction. And I really I came and dribble basketball. So what was it about boxing them? But I mean, was it just that your your father

did it, your mother did it. Obviously your siblings are involved in it. Was it just that it's the family business. Well I saw that they're having fun with it, they're having fun with it, and I was like, well, I want to try. I want to do something fun as well. So it's uh, that's how that's how it all started, you know, watching them do it. Wanted to be like them, and you look up to them, you want to get them as well. So uh, that's what came from it,

you know. And then I started enjoying myself. I started winning. You know. Um, I, like thirteen fourteen already knew I wanted to do it as a career. And but we just continue to do it. And then and this is what came out of it. How good were your parents in the boxing ranks? Well, my mother only completed amateur. She had a couple of fights amateur. She wanted every fight though, I'll tell you that. And then uh, my father he got to the professionals. But then he had

my son and my my older brother. So that's I think the reiled a little bit of his career, but he was also very talented from I remember what your mother must love. The way women's boxing is taking off now, yeah,

well I think that's only because of my sister. So my sisters, Okay, the new generation of of female fighters that that all are starting young as well, and and not saying taking the sports seriously, but but like they're really they really want to to push the female agenda boxing and let them fight on these bigger outbits and and make more more names for themselves. You know, So did your did your parents want you to be in boxing, because a lot of boxers don't want their kids to

be involved. They know how hard it is hard that road is to get to the top. No, I don't think they ever had a problem with that. You know, again, it's like a family affair. Everybody doing it. Why not do yourself? You know, why not try it out? They're more of like, try it out if you like it. If you don't like it, you know, it's up to you. The um you mentioned, like you said, you're around thirteen and oh at that point of thirteen years old four whatever,

When did you start to realize. Yeah, I was thirteen years old when I realized I want to becompression professional. Well at thirteen or how long, they're like five five years into boxing already, and uh we're doing good. We're doing good, and and we're getting better her We were always improving without with every year, and I was like, well, if this continues, you know, why not make some money out of it. It's something I love already, you know.

So it's like when you're a little kid and so you love dinosaurs or whatever, you want to be a paleontologist later on because it's like I love this and I'm gonna get paid for it. Why not? Did um? Did something happen? Did you an't win a tournament that gave you that kind of confidence boost? Was it a string of winds? What was it that kind of triggered that feeling in you that you could do this you

know full time? Yeah, just like a string of wins, probably continuing to win, continue to get better, We're getting stronger, we're getting to all or all these things, all these uh nice little advantages that we're getting too as well. So it's just, uh, you know, we had a lot of fans and the amateurs as well. So it's like to bring it to professionals, like this will probably gonna be not that it's easy, but like it's gonna be

a little bit more easier than the usual. You know, when you're fighting at a weight class where you're so much taller than almost all or all of your opponents, Like, what's the key to being successful? Is it having superior footwork? Is it operating behind you know that eight in reach of yours? What's the key to being successful with with that kind of height advantage? I think, Uh, it depends on how you're gonna fight, depends on your fight. Um, I do use my reach a lot of times. I'm

in the I'm in the mix and inside. It's just how being confident and what you're doing, you know, whether it's the inside or the outside. What's is there a particularly difficult type of fighter or opponent that you know when you have that kind of height, it's just difficult to fight against, whether it's a much smaller guy or a nimble guy or what's what's the most difficult kind of opponent for you? Um? Sure, yeah, I don't. I don't really have a difficult opponent. It's just how I'm

going to fight that fight? How what'stal when they used to win the fight? For you? What's what's happened for you the last few years? Because I watched you coming up the pro ranks. I remember watching the draw that you had back in two thousand nineteen. You're obviously good, but you know after watching that fight in some fights for like, I don't know where this guy is gonna go. And then in the last year or so, you know,

you've showcased incredible power. That win over ericson Lubin was as impressive as they get, one of the best fights that we've seen in the year. Like, what's changed for you the last couple of years, if anything? Mature? We're still twenty years old when we fun Clark. You know, I still think I won that fight, of course, but we were still young. You know a lot of these kids that fight at twenty years old, they're they're still fighting people oh in three or one in three, barely

having any fights, barely fighting a six rounder. And we were already fighting a ten rounder. So we're growing when we're chatting more. For now, we're ready to fight for a title. Um, everything's lining up now. You mentioned your sister is a pro boxer. She's fighting on this car as well. Uh do you like that? Does it give you something else to worry about? How do you feel about having your sister fight in your card? I'm excited. I'm excited. You know she works every camp with me.

You know she's working just as hard. So for her to have these platform to fight on it it's something she deserves. How does it work there? Do you watch her fight beforehand? Do you have to focus on yours? How is that gonna work for you? I could do both. I could do both. Of course. I want to see it. I want to see her fight. It's like watching a good movie and then not seeing the ending. I have to see the ending. I can understand that. I think

it'd be impossible to to to not watch at that point. Um, you are the interim titler holder at one fifty the w b C belt. Obviously Jamal Charlo has all the titles at do you? I mean, do you think he's ever going to fight you? Are you anticipating fighting for a vacant belt someday? Will you wait for a world title shot or go up to one sixty? What's kind of your plan over the next year. Well, we'll see what he does after this fight, but hopefully we do get to fight with him, you know. Um, but I'm

not him because there's the business part of boxing. Um, but we do want to fight him because he's right now, he's considered the best one fifty four and uh, I'd like to have that title for myself. If you were him, would you fight him? Would you fight you? I should say, I don't know. Yeah, you know, uh, six or six guys pretty pretty pretty crazy in the week class, but you know, but mom entirely yeah, I like to fire everybody.

M All right, Sebastian, I want to hit you with some rapid fire questions for a new segment on the show that we are calling the Standing eight Count. And the first question is the greatest fighter of all time is? Who? Oh? Maybe there's always gonna be the best? Um, the one in ring weapon that another fighter has that you wish you had in your arsenal And well, there's right hand. I'll tell you what. If you had wild there's right hand. At junior middleweight, nobody would ever want to fight. You'd

have to force everybody. Oh no, uh, if you could fight anyone from a previous generation. Who would it be? Um? A lot of people UM like to compare to Tommy Hearns. I think that would be a great fight. Oh man, that's a great answer. You and Tommy Hearns at would be unbelievable. Um. When your career is over, you will have one titles and how many weight classes? Um, we'll see how much, Um, God will let me move up? You know, maybe I'll never move this weight class. Have

the same problem that Sergio. So you know, let's see Sergio is out there trying to fight Jake Paul, So don't try to be like Sergio. Okay, that's right. UM, Prime andre Ward versus Prime Canelo Alvarez, who wins? UM? I have under Ward under words, very very smart, great defense. That's what makes him so tough to If you could fight in one arena anywhere where would it be? Um? I've been fighting in my dream arena, the Ray, So I'll probably find Staples again. You know. California, California. I

love California all right. Last two. The best part of being six ft six is what, UM, I don't know. I'm I can see it. Everybody's top of their heads, you know, and the worst part of being six ft six is what Sometimes I don't fit in doorways. I would have thought airplanes. I mean, I'm six three and I hate flying airplanes. That's equally as bad. I completely

forgot that that's equally is bad. What's Sebashi? Good to talk to you man, good luck on October eighth, and hopefully when we see you in those world title fights you're looking for. Good to talk to you. Thank you for having me. That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Sergio Mora and Sebastian Fedor for joined the As always, subscribe, rate review this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you download podcasts, and I'll see you next week