You're at the Coaching Inn, 3D Coaching's virtual pub where we enjoy conversations with people who engage in the world of coaching. Hello and welcome to the 3D Book Group, where we read a book together, where we ask questions and share insights on social media, and most importantly get to engage with the author. More of that later. I'm Claire Pedrick and our book for this season is The Art of Enough by Becky Hall.
And as it says on the cover, in a world full of pressure to be more, do more and consume more, This practical guidebook will help you find your own version of enough. Enough is a springboard for self-belief, a healthy work pace and sustainable living so you can move from striving to thriving. So really useful for all of us and very useful for coaches. So Becky, tell us a bit about you and your human bit and then we'll find out a bit more about you and the book bit.
Okay, well, the human me lives in Oxford, in the UK. I live with my partner and our two children and a dog and two cats. And I am currently in my garden office for which I am supremely grateful because I had it built in about 2017, not not for seeing the global pandemic, but it is the thing that the space that has allowed me to continue working and and writing facts, I'm very blessed to have it. So, I'm a coach. I've been a coach for a long time.
I actually originally trained as an actor and worked as an actor in my 20s for eight or nine years and then hit 30 and thought, hmm, I might need something that is a little bit more stable and lucrative and just a bit more sort of self-sufficient. you can have a bit more agency when you're not at the mercy of casting directors and things. So I did a master's in adult learning and got into facilitating and group dynamics and people working with people and teams.
And from that, I developed a facilitation practice and then that became also a coaching practice. So that's what I've been doing for the last long time, over 20 years now. Fantastic. Yeah. And where did the book come from? Well, that's a really great question. The book is, I think it's a hybrid of my own life experience and my what I've noticed as a coach.
So I had the idea actually, about seven and a half years ago, I began to really notice some patterns in my coaching, which was that lots of people I was coaching were saying in their own different ways that they didn't feel that they were enough of something. So there was this sort of, could call it, for some people it's imposter syndrome.
That's not what it is for everybody, but people who are really doing well in their lives who just don't feel that they're enough, good enough, whatever enough. and that became, I was really curious about that. And then a lot of people that I was coaching also were just massively struggling with having too much to do. the culture that we live in where there's always more to do and exacerbated by email and just busy, busy, busy, the complexity volume, but really too much.
And then of course we live in the climate crisis is there. And so we're all sort of grappling with how we can best respond to that. And it seemed to me, the sort of central theme or the theme that combined all of these things is this idea of enough that we really are ambivalent about this idea of living within healthy limits or that we strive to be enough and then we have too much to do and we have too much. And this idea of enough really could be really explored.
So I had the idea, yeah, as I said, several and a half years ago and then set myself the task to write it in 2020. Luckily, before COVID, before we didn't really heard of COVID, I was like, I'm either gonna write this book, or I'm gonna stop talking about writing this book. So that's why I, so I'm very fortunate actually, because I plotted it all out and did lots of work on structure so that when the pandemic did come and actually released a bit of time for me, I was able to progress it without.
without worrying or panicking about what I was going to do. And what's your dream for it? Now it's gone out and it's got its own life. It's a lovely question. I do feel like it's like a child that's left home now. So my dream is that it lands in the hands of people that it will serve. That sounds very worthy, but it really is my dream. It really is my dream that it would land, that people we'll read it and find something useful in it for them.
And it's really broad, know, it's got so much, you know, it could be, if it lands with some people who are struggling with not feeling enough of whatever it is, then brilliant. I hope that they find something in it. I hope that it finds some people who have too much to do, can use it and, you know, that it's practical.
But also there's a sort of philosophical element to it, which is about, know how we can all reframe how we live and of course my biggest dream for it is that it will will help us as a society and as a culture to sort of really begin to rethink how we live so that we can live sustainably. It's interesting isn't it that that dream that you had seven and a half years ago was for now.
Yeah, yeah I mean It really is interesting that thing about books, because I've tried to write this book so many times, you know, like seven years ago, I like, I'm gonna write it now. And I could never find the time or I never made the time. And then I was going to do it with a friend and then another friend. we sort of had this, I knew the idea was one that was right, but it just didn't quite find its way into the world.
And now it has, it seems to be, gosh, what a relevant topic for now as people are coming back from. from lockdown life and beginning to work out how to live hybrid working lives and rethinking their relationship with work, rethinking, we're absolutely essentially really properly thinking about how we live sustainably after COP26.
And it's a very, it's very current that the, what I realized about the book now is that it's, It's not just for people my age, you know, I'm in my 50s, you know, and lots of people I work with are at sort of senior levels in their organization. So by almost by default are in their sort of 40s or 50s, but actually loads of younger people that I've spoken to about the book, it really resonates with them. So it's actually in lots of ways quite a millennial book. And so it seems like the right book.
I'm glad it's landed now. I think it feels like it's time. Fantastic. Well, thank you. So I'm just going to give you bit of an overview about how this, the whole book group works, and then we'll pop you in breakouts to respond really and to think about what insights you've had from what Becky said and what questions you've got for her today really. So, so the way it works is that every week on social media, Rebi will put out some questions about each chapter.
So she'll say this week we're looking at chapter one. And that's an opportunity for you to pop in on any of our social media channels, LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram. You can put in your insights and your questions. We'll gather those together and give them to Becky. And then Becky will record a podcast responding to what you're saying, your insights and your questions. And then that will go out the next week. And then we'll move on to the next chapter.
And what we did when we did it with Simplifying Coaching, which was huge fun. was to have a live one at the end where some of the people who've been reading the book might want to come in and have a chat to Becky about the impact it's had on them. And that will happen some weeks or months into the future. So the engagement after today will be on social media and through listening to Becky responding to your insights and questions, which makes it really relevant and really relevant to you.
But we don't meet face to face again. yeah, so, so that's, that's the kind of structure. Fascinating listening to everybody and seeing how COVID had actually brought us all, had affected us all. And, and actually this, like you said, I think, Becky, how pertinent and how timely this really is. Because I think for a lot of us, it brought us up short and thought, well, why are we doing this? And how can we do it differently?
So I think we've all come here with a sort of personal agenda, I suppose, of trying to find out more how we can find that balance. Yeah. Well, that's a good thing that you're in the right place to be thinking about the stuff that matters. I read some article, think it was Ariana Huffington had posted it on her stuff around, what are they calling it? The great re, what are they calling it at the moment? great? Reset. Reset. The great reset, no, everyone leaving. The resignation.
The great resignation, yeah. And she was reframing it as the great reset, absolutely. So that people are resigning because they've realized that there's something not quite right in their lives or that their balance of life isn't quite right or that they could be doing something that matters more to them. And it's all very much in that space that this book sort of offers a frame to explore, I think. So I've just begun to look at it. And just begun to look at your blog.
And my first question, I may, but it's more of an observation. I was really interested in the title, The Art of Ina. I was quite drawn to that. I'd love to know how you came to that title. Yeah, great. Lovely question. Thank you. And I'm glad you've asked that question, because the title was a real thing for me in relation to deciding which publisher I went with, because I had one publisher who liked the idea of the book, but didn't like the title and I had one.
publisher who loved the title and I had to decide how much I liked it or not. I think the title sort of came to me at the same time as the concept of the book came to me, which was about seven or eight years ago. I began to really notice some patterns in my coaching. And one of the patterns was that lots and lots of people I was coaching and working with.
were talking about sensing a feeling of inadequacy or somehow lacking something, that they somehow in different ways weren't enough for what life was requiring of them.
This didn't come out of the group actually, it just occurred to me in that little space between moving from the group to here, which is that Becky said something really, there was a tantalizing thing about this resonating with people in their 40s and 50s, so people often would... with a kind of quite senior level of responsibility somewhere, but then you said it also resonated with millennials as well.
And I just wondered whether you wanted to say a bit more about whether there's generational things here. Well, I think, I think more what I wanted to say was that it's, it's got a wider appeal than I first than I first expected, because I'm, I'm a coach and I was drawing a lot of my, what I was noticing from people I coach and I tend to coach not only, but I tend to coach people who are in senior positions who therefore are sort of my kind of age and stage.
And What I realized was that this wasn't just a book about coaching. I I even thought maybe it's a book about leadership. When I was developing the ideas, maybe it should be a book for leaders. And in the end, I was like, no, this is really a book for everyone. And I tested that with some of my younger clients, but then also with friends who were younger and my friends' children who were younger still.
And I think there are, of course, there are differences with generations, although I think they can sometimes be overstated. But I also think that I think what's really interesting is that it's not getting better for the younger generations, right? younger people are still struggling with feeling that they're good enough and having too much to do and the digital boundary.
So even though plenty of people may be digital natives, know, the boundaries between when they're on and when they're not or when they're available or when they're not are still to be navigated. And so I think that perhaps perhaps generations might experience these things slightly differently, but I think they are still as relevant for them.
And I also think that for many of us here, for example, may have been aware of the climate for a long time, the climate catastrophe and where we're at environmentally. I certainly have since I did geography A level in 1985, but you know, but but I think that it's quite specific to the younger generation to have massive climate and anxiety across that generation.
So I think that there's a sort of different level of anxiety around that, which is of course fear-based, which of course then tips them into a mindset of scarcity, which is all the stuff we begin to then really explore in the book. Who else? Pauline? It's more an insider question, but I really, when I read the book for the first chapter, I really resonate with the fear, especially like the formal, it's like the fear of missing out and feeling constantly in it.
And you're definitely right, because in the world we're even living in now, like social media and everything make you think, someone's life is much better. Why don't I have that? So yeah, I've... We like that. And also I really like what you shared earlier about this really helped us to rethink how we live because I generally do feel like after nearly two years of COVID, it really made me rethink how I want to live my life. And that's why I'm doing quite a of changes with my own life this year.
So yeah, I'm quite looking forward to reading the rest of the book and knowing more about how I can help myself with this formal thing, which I still have. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for sharing that, Pauline. And gosh, I am such a FOMO person. I love experiences.
actually later in the book, I don't want to give it all away, but there's a love I quote in full because it's such a beautiful poem, a poem by a fellow called Michael Lunig, who's an Australian poet and cartoonist called JOMO, which is the joy of missing out. So I'll just tangle, I'll just dangle that carrot for you because it's a beautiful way of reframing that concept. Can I say something else? So I don't want to dominate this.
I think what I mentioned, and I think it's true probably for a lot of us who are in our 50s, is when I left school and university and whatever, I was basically told I could have it all. And I think that gave it its own pressure. You you were striving towards the next stage, the next stage, the next stage, and particularly I identified as a woman it seemed to be this great new age where the women could be seen to achieve everything.
And even once we had our families, we could still achieve everything and keep on going and going and going. And actually, think we compromised a lot because we thought we could have it all. Whereas actually learning to have enough is such a, even saying it feels so much easier. and so much more a place of, I don't mean contentment from a sort of just sit back and relax, but just ease. It feels so much better.
But I think as women, you know, I mean, I was the first female woman to make it to the position that I did and have a child and come back. You know, I was told when I was pregnant, you idiot. because I'd seem to made a choice, but I came back and because I wanted to prove myself. Whereas the art in love isn't proving yourself at all. It's being from that place where you're happy, content and at ease with the whole thing. So I just love the title as well, that it's an art, not a science.
And I love the tilted bit that we're still out of kilter a bit. We have to keep on reminding ourselves to straighten up a bit. Yeah, I love the emphasis, I think, around the mindset and the sort of stories we tell ourselves. And this sort of sense of I am enough feels quite important.
And I was just showing my group when I had long COVID last year, there was something about the teaching that gave me and just in a sense sort of surrendering to the fact that I didn't have to prove myself or I didn't have to keep working and just to let go. And that really helped me with that sense of that belief of I am enough. I suppose that for me just felt really important the first chapter that you emphasize the mindset, because that's the shift I think that needs to happen.
But also the link you make to the planet and the climate because you... you know, that to me is about a societal mindset shift as well. I'm just interested, I suppose, I suppose, how people have responded to the book, because some people can take it at a very individual level, but there is something really important at that more planetary level, which, and the way we act in the world.
I don't know, I'd be interested to know the responses you had, how people have sort of, to me it's about the integration, but how people have responded across the whole spectrum that you've tried to offer really, which I think has been really important. Thanks Liz. It's been a real range I think, and of course I haven't spoken to everyone, but what people have said, I think people find... we find what we need in books that we read, don't we?
And we zone in on the things that are helpful to us at the time. And this is quite broad because what I was trying to do was move between the sort of personal systemic, our internal systems and then our sort of contexts systems and then the world that we live in. And so I'm deliberately trying to sort of offer a lens which is really micro and really macro. without becoming too sort of abstract or preachy.
And that was actually the last two chapters when we get to them were the hardest to write because it's so hard to write about this stuff without saying, but for goodness sake, let's just stop doing, know, or, you know, being in any way sort of preachy. So I was really trying to make sure that it could always connect back to us on an individual level.
But I really feel that, I mean, actually the responses I've had is people say, my goodness, chapter four was the one that did it for me or chapter two, I really needed to work. So where people need to do the work is where they'll be drawn to, of course. And then out there, suppose, like the activists, you can then get burnt out and you have to do their inner work and vice versa, as you do their inner work, that takes you out, isn't it? Yeah. Absolutely.
I, you know, I think that, maybe this is too broad to think. Actually, it's something that I learned from someone that Claire and I both know, we both did some training with a guy called John Whittington. what I learned from him was that it's often the vocational work, people who work in vocational contexts, whether that be faith or charities or big activist organizations who struggle with boundaries, with boundaries on themselves of work, who give too much.
because there's always more that you can give, that there's never enough in a way because you can't really attend to the, you can't make it all better. And that energy, that activist energy, which is so necessary and important and wonderful actually really needs a boundary in order to be healthy. So, and then that tips you right back to chapter one. And then so it's a big old cycle. Yeah, thanks, Vicky. How do we rebalance the fact that we're over consuming the world's resources?
And the theme of enough seems to sort of hold all of those things together. And it seems to me that that is an art. It's not a science. It's not an exact thing. And I like the idea of an art because some of the, I take quite a lot of my images and metaphors from nature and The idea of something, it seemed too dynamic. An art sort of allows for dynamic, the dynamic nature of things, and it also allows for it to be completely individual.
So my art of enough isn't your art of enough, or any of our art of enough. It's creative and individual for each of us. And it's sort of a balancing of dynamism. So I always liken it with trying to stand on one leg. You know, it's a of moving state. You can't stand on one leg and be still. You're constantly adjusting and each of us will do that in our own way. So that's why. And of course I liked the alliteration of it too. It has a nice flow.
And I'm noticing this and to me there's a sort of dance about it. For me there is too, I'm describing it, it sort of feels like it's this sort nebulous or moving thing. I think that there's something very dynamic about it. It's a movement. And creative too, I think, actually. Once we find it, it's actually a lovely creative pursuit. Yeah, I'm thinking about ebb and flow, which is what you're really describing there, isn't it?
Yeah. And, you know, I mean, there are lots of, I did, it's really interesting. When I was talking to this commissioning editor who liked it and said, I just don't like the title because I don't like the word enough. And I can sort of see what she means, because there are some ways that enough is sort of synonymous with mediocrity or sort of lack of stretch or lack of aspiration. And so when she was talking about that, I was sort of thinking about balance or equilibrium or other things.
But in the end, I wanted to stick with enough because I kind of want to reclaim it as a concept that people feel is is adequate, know, that being adequate is on in and of itself something worth striving for, that enough is a state from which we can flourish, a sort of seedbed state as opposed to this sort of sense of arrival or this sense of, you know, being amazing. getting bigger and stronger and greater.
It's sort of like going, actually, if we can get to this place of balance or enough as a concept where we feel that it's something worth working on, then we'll be able to blossom from that place. And it's a different way of seeing the world, really. Thank you, Becky. I think for me, the reason why I'm here is I've got to have some words with my inner critic. she's kind of raging at me and the key message is, is that enough? So it's like perfectionism.
And so what I really want to do is use the book for me personally is to really kind of write, okay, let's dance around this and let's get to some resolution because we're falling out because she's pushing me to do all sorts of crazy things. And I'm thinking, yeah, I'm not having that.
So for me, that's where I'm sort of drawing from is like, right, let's, pull it personally into art with enough and then I want to take it into my organizational context, which asked that question like, okay, what is enough here organizationally, because we've all got to run a marathon. So I guess it's not a question. I'm just letting you know that my inner critical, we're gonna use your book to have words. Okay, well, hi, Jose, Jose and hi, hi, critic.
And all I would suggest is it's not, it's less about shutting her up, it's more about offering other people a voice. So she's not the only, she's not the only voice in your head, invite some more and see if they can, they can have a little bit more influence over your thinking too. Thank you. I call it the curse of perfectionism, by the way, I think perfectionism is an absolute, because, because you ought always come from a position of lack, you always fail, you fail before you've begun.
So reframing that will be, there is some stuff in the book about that, so I hope that's useful. Becky, how did you come up with the various arts, the seven or eight that are listed? It's a great question, and I don't really know, I like seven, I like the number seven, it's a good number. And I am. In my world, it's a special number. Yeah, yeah, like three, right? So I've got that, yeah. So I wanted there to be seven, I think.
I wanted there to be, I always knew that this was an inside out journey. So I knew that I wanted to start with the inside, how to be enough. I knew that the next bit was doing enough. and I knew that the next bit was having enough and that that would be a sort of deliberate build. So you're starting from the innermost work, then doing the stuff around how we relate to our immediate world. And then we do the stuff around how we contribute, relate to the wider world. So the lesser thing.
And I wasn't quite sure how I was going to distribute those, but when I was sort of brainstorming it and I did lots of my early work with Post-It Notes and took all my pictures down off the wall and took lots of post-it notes and pictures and picturing. It just seemed to me that there were three, at beginning, the three arts, the mindset, the permission, the presence was the sort of bedrock. And then there was stuff around boundaries and stuff around resourcing and then stuff around.
for the having enough stuff around growth and stuff around connection, which actually circles it right back. So I guess it was a process of, like all writing, it's actually a processing of editing down, isn't it? for me, it's a process of editing down. I must have written as many words that aren't in this book as there are in the book. And then you decided that it was enough? Yeah, full stop and go. Yeah. And enough is enough, right?
Yes. I mean, it's a really, really interesting one, because I can really appreciate those visual artists who say, you know, constantly keep sort of dabbing at their painting. But actually, there is something, I think, which is Okay, look, it's really, this is good enough. There are plenty of things that I could change about it. Even now when I read it, reread it, I can think, gosh, I could rewrite that.
But actually I had to stop it somewhere and I had to go, right, okay, time to send it out to the world and see what happens. I spent the beginning of this year reading it for Audible, which was just a real treat. And I was slightly nervous as I was driving to the studio as to whether I'd still like it. What if I think it's rubbish? And luckily I didn't think it was rubbish. And nor was I completely tormented by a critical voice while I was reading it.
I was like, okay, well, you know, of course there are some things I might change now, but actually it is enough. And I think that that does come a point in any creative pursuit where you just have to say, that's it. until someone commissions me to do a second edition. Or maybe you just write a new book. Yeah, exactly. That would be nicer. Yeah, and again, it's a comment rather than a question, I guess. And it's something about what attracted me. I've only just started reading the book, Becky.
So I don't have kind of questions on the content, but I just really love this way that you make connection between being, doing and having, which just it's a bit of a light bulb thing really. I mean, it's obvious they're connected, but the way you explore that. And then the connection, you know, that sort of feels so relevant sort of on a personal level. And then the connectivity between the internal, the external, the community and the wider world.
And just realising it's a sort of ripples in the ocean thing that's just starting with that being then impacting the doing and then impacting the having and the way that little ripple could then impact and interconnect with the whole world. I just think it's really profound and I look forward to reading more and that's what drew me in. Thank you, Susie. It's that Gaia concept, isn't it? It's the butterfly flaps its wings in South America and creates a hurricane somewhere else.
the small, those small systemic changes that we make, which I really believe is true actually. So it does start from ourselves. And that's where the hope can. Absolutely. I think it's really, I think it's really fundamental actually. I think there's something about this, which is just going back to the natural rhythms of life. So the murmuration, yes. I mean, I love the idea of the murmuration being held in coherence by three rules.
I write about it in the book, but you and if we can find three rules for us to keep us coherent by the same token, it's that sort of, it's using that rhythm, but also that we have, we already have our own rhythm of life. We already have a diurnal pattern. Our nervous system already has a rest and digest. bit and a sort of heightened, you we've got parasympathetic and sympathetic stuff going on. you know, we need sleep, we need to recover, we need to rejuvenate.
And I think that I really think that what's happened in our society and our culture, and certainly in the working lives of people that I work with, including me, just sort of got out of rhythm with that pattern or, even worse, disregard it, of trample on it. So this image that I have of everything in the world, life being cyclical, but if it gets so overextended, it sort of cranks itself into a line and then it does risk running out.
You know, we're at a state in the world, in the planet where we've over consumed so much that we are actually threatening the very cycle of life's resources. And the same, think with ourselves. know, the fact that we use the term burnout, you know, it's such, it's, it's, you know, people reach the end of themselves, you know, it's really like, and actually, we're, we're beautifully designed to be nice and cyclical and to regenerate. And it sort of feels so fundamental to me.
That's really interesting, isn't it? How we use words, how you use phrases. the end of my tether. I'm at the end of, yeah, yeah, that's really interesting. or run out. So I want to ask why we choose to say that more is enough or more is better. Now this may be American society. I don't know about British English society, but we we could buy the concept that more is better. More is not enough. We never have enough. We're always trying to get more.
And if you're not going up the ladder, you're going down the ladder. And that's not good. So, so why I'm trying to ask a why question and, you didn't address that in the book necessarily, but why do we buy that? I do a little bit of addressing it in the book, but it's such a big subject and there's plenty written about it. But there is in my chapter on growth, it's when I get the most meta, if you like.
And there is a school of thought that the American economy post-World War II deliberately created designed obsolescence in order to regenerate the economy. so that deliberately they would make, manufacturers would make stuff that would run out that people would need to buy that would get thrown away. you work by, you create a cycle of depletion so that you constantly need more.
And in order to create that, you have to create a culture of scarcity and you have to create a comparative culture where everyone feels like you literally, it's in the ether that people don't have enough. And you start measuring, everything began to be measured by GDP growth, which is sort of this idea of exponential growth.
And anyone, soon as you start, if you really look at the concept of exponential economic growth, even the most sort of neoliberal economists will tell you, it's impossible, you can't, it's impossible. There is an end point, but we... it's become mythologized and sort of incorporated into how we see the world. And I think it's fundamentally flawed because it's only looking at one thing. And of course the cost is very high.
And I'm not talking about the economic cost, I'm talking about the personal human cost and of course the cost of the planet. And so I think there is a huge rebalancing that has to happen. And I quote a lot, a fantastic economist called Kate Raworth, who's written a book called Donut Economics. And she explains it far better than I, I mean, I could ever do, but I recommend her work.
Because it's just, again, it's this myth that underlines this sort of sense that more is better, which is taking us all to the end of ourselves.
And actually, it, we're, we're using more than we physically can use, you know, there's, there, I think there's something like, if everyone, there are all sorts of analogies, like, you know, we throw away so much stuff that soon we've got more stuff on the planet, we've seen we need enough for seven planets to accommodate the amount of stuff we've got, and we haven't got seven planets, so how are we going to manage that? So I think there is something, David, about our mindset.
And I think it's, they're very strongly in the States, but I think it's absolutely here in Europe too. I actually think it's sort of part of how capitalism works. And I don't quite know how we can make an environment. there are lots of environmental capitalists or people who are really, really looking at this, which is how can we continue to feel like we're growing without it always being more or bigger or better? How can we begin to look at growth in new ways?
And I sort of pose that as a question, but it's such a huge philosophical and- Maybe that's your next book, Is More Better? Yeah, maybe. I mean, I think that more is not better. Less is more. I have just read a really good book called Less is More, actually. yeah. I mean, there are pretty good books out there on it.
But yeah, I at its heart, we have to, I think at its heart, we have to turn that on its head and say, you know, more things aren't always better, and more experiences, but more love would be good or more, connection is lovely. You know, there are ways that we can have more of things without them being damaging. Oliver Burtman comes at it from the psychologist's perspective. He's just written a book called 4000 Weeks, which is actually an amazing book.
But he talks about the idea of the bucket list. and a bucket list is I want to gather more more experiences but he's done psychological research that says if you do that you actually don't enjoy them because what you're doing is you're acquiring items on your bucket list rather than immersing yourself in experiences.
So this is murmuration thing, there's one that starts right outside our house and I'll tell you that's better than a holiday in all sorts of amazing places and every morning it happens 30 minutes before the sunrise and it is the most extraordinary experience and I would never have thought that would be a bucket list thing but it's something I can experience every day although not in the summer. But actually there's something about appreciating that because because you can be very present to it.
And I did take a video the other day, but not until I kind of watched it naturally, probably 10, 12, 15 times. And then I wanted to show my husband because he wasn't up. So I took a little video of it. but one of the things Oliver Burtman says is that, you know, we run around the world with a camera. But how do we appreciate and how do we live in the present moment? There's something about that mindset of being consumers and I rail against that, but I behave like that.
And we can be consumers of so many things like we can be consumers of training or consumers of academic qualifications or whatever it is. Yeah, and I think that the concept of consumption, you know, it's like the very hungry caterpillar, isn't it? It's the concept of consumption that there's never enough. it immediately, if you're coming at things from a state of feeling that you lack something, then we sort of buy something to compensate for it, compensate for that lack.
And of course, it never fills the need. It's the hungry ghost in Buddhism, they call it the hundred ghosts, that name. And, and which is why the state of being enough, or the ability to be enough is a different thing. So if you if you choose to buy something from a state of enough, then you choose to buy something because it's either necessary or beautiful.
You know, it's that lovely Marie Kondo thing, you know, spark joy movement, I talk about in the book, because it's, I just love the idea that we, we have things because Either they're really useful or they bring us joy. Anything else? That was the Quaker ethos, wasn't it? Yeah. Have nothing in your home except that which is useful or brings you joy. Yeah, lovely. Yeah. It's a cheeky one. What's the next book? More than enough, no. I don't know. I have been really thinking.
I don't know is the honest answer. was sort of thinking, one of the bits of feedback I've had about the book is that it's lots of books in one book. And I really see that it's a really broad book and each chapter could, there are books on each chapter in the world already. So I wondered whether the next book would be an expansion of one of the things in one of the chapters, but I can't decide which one. And I'm not entirely sure. what that'll be. So I don't know yet, I haven't started it.
I'm just focusing on this for now. So this begins our journey in the 3D Book Group and it's been great to have you here. If you don't yet have a copy, chapter one is freely available in the show notes. Each week we're going to be looking at a new chapter. There'll be a post on Twitter, on Facebook and LinkedIn in the 3D Coaching account, again, details in the show notes, or you can email info at 3Dcoaching.com to share your comments with your insights and questions for this week's chapter.
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