Ep. 139 - Joe Buck

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a pebble beach next week. Before we get to the chat with Joe, I just want to let you know next week tune in because Julie Ankster is gonna be on to preview the Solheim Cup. Of course, she's the captain going for three wins in a row, has to take a very young team across the pond. So we're gonna go from Joe buck a legend in the broadcasting world, to Julie Inkster, a legend in the golfing world, back to back Clubhouse podcast, So make sure you check that

out next week. Let's get to my man, Joe buck Well, we welcome back into the Clubhouse name you may know. He's an up and coming broadcaster for Fox. I feel like he's gonna have a great career if he keeps it going. Joe buck Joe, You've got Giants Dallas this week. First NFL game, and I heard eighteen years straight with Troy Aikman. That's the longest in the NFL. Yeah, it's

kind of it's shocked both of us. We saw a thing online and I think it was on Twitter, which means there was about a thirty four percent chance that it's true that Aikman and I are gaining on Madden and Summer All as the longest running pair at least the most volume of games, and I think now withouting Thursday nights, we're kind of making up ground here with bounds. But it's been a good run. I mean. The best thing is, and I think we all have this in golf,

is turning out a really good friends, you know. I think that's the fun part of the golf that we do. And you do a ton more of it than I do. But it's nice in this business that can be a little ego filled or can be a little uh, I don't know, insecurity driven where everybody's wondering you know, who's coming after him and all that. We we just we're really close friends, and I think that's how we are in Gulf, and I think that's the only way to be.

Because everybody's sniping at you from the outside, you might as well know that the guy or the guy and gal or whoever you're with, uh, that they've got your back. And that's a good feeling. So it starts there and then we we you know, have the professional relationship after that. But it's it's good to get along like we do. I want to get into the Gulf for in a minute, but I wanted to just talk about your first game. I can only assume you do plenty of prep to

get ready for the season. This has to be the biggest curveball you've had for a first game, I can guess, and as long as you can remember, outside of maybe a quarterback getting injured, going into week one, with the Zeke news breaking basically today, how does that change your prep and you guys preparing for this game with Zeke possibly playing, maybe not playing, but at least being on

the team and being on the sidelines. Well, I think the beauty of it is that we've got such a good relationship, working relationship with the Cowboys, with their PR director Rich Dalrymple, who was there when Troy was a player. Jason Garrett was Troy's back up when they were both playing. Uh, Prescott has become a friend. Zeke Elliott is from St. Louis and went to high school little literally across the street from my neighborhood, So I think there's some trust there.

I think they'll be honest with us um And I say that because sometimes you go into team meetings where head coaches and they might not know you, They may not know what you were, where your allegiances are, and so they still will keep things really close to the vest I think when we get there on Friday, well, that's the right questions. Will have what their game plan is going in and then you see how it unfolds.

But at least we'll have what they were thinking on Friday UH as kind of a foundation of whatever we say, and then we'll see where the game goes and how many carries Elliott gets. They love this kid Tony Pollard who's behind him. Uh, and and we'll see how it all shakes out. But the good thing is it's Dallas, so they're not gonna give us the runaround. I think they'll be really honest with where we uh, where we start, and then how the game finishes, and we'll compose too. Well.

Going back to kind of our season in golf, and really I would say easily the most the well, most well accepted event we've ever done, I'd stay with the US Open at Pebble Beach and then we talked about it was a perfect storm of US Opens. I mean, we get a chance to showcase one of the most beautiful golf courses in the world, a place everybody knows, a place that has continued to create these unbelievable championships.

When the U S g A goes back when you go through our US opens and you started Chambers Bay. All of our U S opens have had stories. I mean there's not been a single snooze or Chambers was great for the drama, of course. I mean you think about Oakmont and with DJ and the ruling and nobody

even knowing where they stood. Then you get Brooks Kapta bursting on the scene is kind of an unnoted Aaron Hills and then solidifying himself as one of the best players in the world at Shinnecock, and then we get Pebble, And I feel like universally people loved what we were able to do there for that US Open, and it was a collective effort for sure, but it had to feel for you, I'm sure like it did for us walking away. It had to feel as good as any

of them we've done yet. Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt about that. I mean I could talk for three hours on this perfic, and you and I have certainly talked enough about it on our own when we've been together at a bar and a booth or whatever it might be, booth meeting at work, and I think what we've had since two thousands have seen is exactly what you said, a perfect storm. And I think it's

been more storm that it's been perfect. Um two thousand fifteen, as you said, with Cheamber's Bay, and the course was new to everybody, and it had a different look to it for U s open, so a gorgeous, wonderful place. But when you go in and and all the comments are about the greens and the polana and the bumpiness, and people are complaining all day and now we're new and it's hard to follow the golf ball because of the glare from the water. You know, you can make

excuses all day. I think we could have been at Open my year one. We could have been a wing Foot or Pebble year one. It probably would have been the same reception right where. I think when anything's new, people don't like change, and it takes a while for them to get used to going, Okay, the US opening, Yeah, that's on Fox. We get it back and it's like, wait, where's Johnny Miller, Where's Dan Hicks? Where are the guys

that I'm used to calling this? And then two thousands, you know, sixteen and he said you just go forward, and it's been I think for us incrementally better and for the viewer incrementally more familiar. And then, as you said,

we we get the beauty that is Pubble Beach. I thought our truck, meaning our director and our producer, did an unbelievable job of giving different camera angles, different camera mechanisms, like with a drone off that cliff On eight, Uh, making the golf course look different and even more spectacular than we see it any other time. And it's on TV at least once, probably twice a year, and uh, we were doing new things. And when Jim dances in the booth, he said as much, and he meant it.

You know, you guys are showing parts of this golf course in this area that have never been seen on TV. And most people, you know, aren't gonna be lucky and have to go to Pebble Beach in their lifetime, so they've got to see it and know it's from television. And so I thought the truck did a great job. I thought we accepted some really great option. Brooks was right there basically till the end. And then this great story of Gary Woodland and this incredible little chip off

the seventeenth grade. I mean there was there was a lot there and I did I walked away copy or that I've ever walked away from a golf event at Fox, There's no doubt. And it's interesting when you get a golf course like Pebble because when you think about golfers, even even serious golf fans, if I went up to somebody that that was a two handicap that watches every week and said, what's number five at Wingfoot, they probably have no idea. Same at Oakmont, you know, same at Shinnecock.

But at Pebble they know because they see it year to year. It really is outside of Augusta National and maybe the old course at St. Andrew's, Pebbles a golf course that people know and they can remember the holes, they can remember the moments. I feel like as much as in golf course in the world. So it's it's a little bit of in our chair, sit back and let the golf course speak of speak itself. Yeah, I I agree with that. You know that that's a really

comforting feeling too for us going in. You know, you're not confused when you see a shot like wait, are we at six or we at twelve, you know where are we at? Are we on the second hole or is this fifteen? I mean, you know the shots, you know what the golf course looks like, and you could draw it on a place mat and and that's that's a really comforting feeling going in especially you know for us being still relatively new at covering the event or

covering golf. Uh you know that that's good. But like I said, you know, the NFL will tell you that of their fans experience and knowing the NFL and players and stadiums and uniform colors and whatever sideline shots come from television, of their fans in the NFL actually see a game in the stadium, and if they do, they're certainly not traveling around. And I think that's the case with Pebble. I mean, people know that golf course from television.

It's fun during the program in February. Uh so, I think you know, whether you see old video of Jack Lennon hitting a ball out of the ice plants or you see Gary Woodland hitting a ball from the rough in in the same nearby area, it's familiar. And I think for viewer and broadcast are alike, that's that's a good feeling. And like you said, you know, that's the beauty that CBS has every year with covering the Masters.

They know every corner, every blade of grass at Augusta National and uh, we had a little taste of that from being a Pebble Well, you mentioned bringing Jim Nance up to the booth. It was something that you brought up. You reached out to him. I believe you reached out to him on social media. I know you said something on air during our broadcast and I think people are a little surprised. I mean, you're bringing up Jim Nance, who does golf week to week. He does it all

that's time. He's one of the best in the world to ever do it. Of course he gets through the Masters and on and on and on, and he comes up to the booth and you really you kind of step aside a little bit and let Jim talk about the beauty of Pebble Beach and you know, a guy that lives there and knows the golf course like the back of his hand. It was a really cool moment,

I think for golf fans and for broadcasting fans. Yeah, I think so, you know, to be honest with you, when I was walking back, I think from the practice round day um that we cover on Wednesday, and I was walking up that main street that leads to the lodge and coming back the other way in a golf cart was Eric Shanks, who's our boss, and Larry Jones, who's boss one A, and they had just seen Jim and Shanks and Larry said, what do you think about trying to have him on? I said, are you kidding me?

That'd be unbelievable. And I've kind of gone through this same the same dance with Vince Scully over the years, whether we've done an All Star Game in San Diego, then please come down south and do that, or we've done a postseason in series at Dodger Stadium. You know, I think I I refer back to my childhood and being my dad Jack bucks son and knowing, you know, the reverence for these older voices and these men that

have done it for so long. Not to say the gym's in that category, but he's damn close, and he's he's the standard for what we do, and he's the best, in my opinion, to ever do it with all the different moving parts that there are now in a golf telecast compared to golf covered even in the eighties. Um, so it made all the sense in the world. I did ask him on the air to try to put the pressure on him. I don't know that I have to put the pressure on him. I think he wanted

to do it. And then it became world CBS let him do it. And there were certain rules that they were uh that they put out there, like no more than ten minutes. We don't want to actually just at five.

We're like, well we're at least doing ten. We're gonna, you know, say yes, but you know, ask for forgiveness instead of permission, and then we're gonna So they say, know him, don't let him call in a live golf action and said that and I don't know who hit a shot filler Tiger and immediately jumped into calling call and I got into the talk back, which just goes to the trap and our producer I was like, well, there's rule number two. We just broke. So but that's

what I wanted. I wish you'd stayed there for an hour. But yeah, I think that stuff's good, and it means you don't take yourself to seriously. I mean, you're not paranoid, and uh, I think that's good for everybody. And this might be a little inside baseball, but I just thought it was such an important moment really for our year.

At the US Women's Open, our producer Mark Loomis pulled all the broadcasters into the trailer and we watched as a team the US Open from Shinnecock Hills, and he basically pulled together some different moments and some great stuff he thought we did, and some stuff that he just wanted to point out. You know, make sure you don't talk over this. And you and I had a conversation after that, and you said to me, and I thought

it was an unbelievable point. You said, it's really in warton to make sure you're watching what's going on on the screen. And when people hear that, they might think, well, that seems silly. Of course you're doing that, but you know there's five thousand things going on. There's cards, were getting, people are in our ear, We're getting text messages. You've you've even mentioned having Twitter open one time ever in a broadcast. You deleted it right away after that. There's

a lot happening. I mean, I'm next to Brad Facts and he's face timing Tom Brady during the broadcast. You know everything he does, and then you and I you you can miss stuff at times. And I really tried hard during this season to just watch the golf. And it's funny, it helps so much if you're just paying

attention to the screen. It was it was, you know, it was so simple, and but I think necessary certainly for you and I. But but I said it out loud for the whole group to hear, because you know, all all the viewer knows is what we say as a group, and they don't know what we're doing when we're not talking. And and in these big boots that we have, and and you know, you and acts are in another location, and Paul and I do holes one and two, You do three and four, We do five

and six and on down the line. And so when it goes to the third hole, theoretically I could check out, and you know, text my wife back, or get on my get on my social media if I wanted to, or get on my email and read people's thoughts, people that I trust, people that are saying, hey, you guys are missing this or whatever it might be. And I fell into that trap. The first whatever, it's been four

years and I had so many things flying around. The last priority I had was to actually watch the golf and listen to the two of you and try to for continuity sake, carry it forward when it comes back around. And now it's back on the holes that Paul and I cover. And it seems simple, but there's so many avenues of information. I just turned my computer off. I basically set my phone over in the owner of the booth, and I just watched and reacted. And I think that's

the best thing I could have ever done. It's why I was better, uh, not trying to cram fourteen thousand things in. Just take your time, watch the action and react to it. And and that's really I think that's really serving the viewer past if they want stats, you know, stats every once in a while tell the story, but but sometimes they just get in the way. And uh so you need to find a balance. And I think that's what we finally did. Yeah, I totally agree with you.

I think sometimes there's so many things going on, and to your point, you know, when it's your whole I know,

I'm not gonna say anything. It's easy to not listen, but the moment you don't listen, I repeat something you just said, maybe he's three or four this week out of the bunker, or he hadn't Mr Green since Thursday afternoon, and you say that right after you say it, somebody at home is they absolutely notice it, and they're going, these guys aren't even listening, So they noticed that if we do it wrong, and it's on us to make

sure we listen. And I thought it was, like I said, it's it's those little prep moments that happened what three weeks before the US open that help everybody. And I thought it was a great point to bring up. And on top of that, if you're repeating something I just said, or if I'm repeating something you just said, it's taking up time that could be better spent on something else. And it's because because we don't have a lot of time.

You know that. The thing that I was most hit by year one was you know, you think, oh, it's golf. I've fallen asleep to this on my couch in my adult years, and so it's gonna be slow, and it's actually the opposite. It's way faster than me covering the NFL or covering major League baseball for sure, because in baseball a guy standing at the plate and it's ball one, strike one, ball two, ball three, strike two, foul ball follow But you could talk about whatever you want during

that time. Well, here it's dip into a golf hole. Here's speed second shot to part four. You see a land him, You're off to the next location, next golfer, set up the situation. Now you're gone there and go to the next one. So I just think it's finally have figured out. I think enough. You'll never be you never have it all figured out, but enough to make it pleasing to people watching. And and I think this year, you know a lot of people seem to like it. But I again, I don't go back to Chambers Bay

and go, man, we blew it. I think we needed to. You know, you need to take your lumps publicly, which is part of the deal now. And you need to know what you do and don't need to know and where you do, and don't need to go in a broadcast to actually figure it out. So it's just a means to an end. And and you know this this finally starting to straighten out for us. Yeah, I mean I feel like people you know, I don't want to

say universally, but they've enjoyed our coverage. They've enjoyed it year after year, more and more and more, and maybe some people don't love us. The one thing I do feel confident, insane, is that our Fox broadcast team, really the host of Fox Golf, lead the country in coming up close in club championship wins. And I know you came so close this year. You were playing great golf and you were in the championship match, right, yeah. I

beat probably the three best guys at our club. It's the way we do it at Old Worset in St. Louis is kind of year long. Uh my n C double a bracket and you just match up with whoever's next in the on the list, and then you schedule a match and you go play. I beat Fred Hall, I beat a couple of guys that played college golf, and I I was playing well, but I got into the championship match in uh thirty six holes and putted horribly. Like I you know, I used to always say, well,

I would take hitting it great and putting awful. I take that every time, and I don't feel that one anymore. It's it's double frustrating to hit it really well. And then three put first eighteen was I three putted eleven times, which is like impossible. And then then I kind of then I switched putters because I just put a new putter in the bag that day, which is moronic. I went back to the old putter and I was down

five after twelve. It's match played down four after thirty and I got up back down to one with two holes to go, I was down one. I hit the middle of the green on a part three. He missed, but he got up and down on me. We tied, went to eight team, we both parted. I lost by one, but it was a fun day. I lost one of my best friends that up and down. I was proud of him for doing it because everybody at the club

showed up. And uh, that was really when both of us played our best golf, and when I made it more of a match, So you know, all at all, I was how I played. I would just beyond frustrated with how I put it. And I mean, you you're a sneaky golf nut. I would say, you really enjoy playing. I had Joel clad I'm sitting it. I'm sitting at Old Worson right now talking to you to Central time

on Wednesday, So anyway, go ahead. You know, well, I had Joel clad On last week, who was the biggest golf nut on the planet, and he was talking to me about how he is. You know, he's excited about the college football season, but he's depressed because he doesn't play as much golf. Does your golf go down once football season starts? Yes, a couple of factors. I mean, I know you're a first time new dad, and I am a multiple time new dad, so I've got a year and a half year old more or less, uh,

twin boys and has cut into it as well. But I think it makes you kind of waste less time and really focus the practice sessions to to really work on what you need to work on and then get out of there. So I I was a range king in not a I didn't play a ton of golf this year. I just having to play three grade matches leading into the championship. But yeah, it takes a backseat to everything. Uh. And I live St. Louis, so at

some point here it's gonna get chili. And uh, I don't really like playing in rain, and I really don't like playing in the cold. So no matter what I want, the conditions are not ripe for uh, for a lot of play. Yeah. The one thing I've learned in three months of being a dad is the one thing you've got to cut out is hanging at the club that just goes away. That's that's a non existing thing anymore. It is how long does golf take? Four hours? Okay, I want you home in four hours and twenty minutes.

And this is coming from somebody that has a really cool life. Yeah. No, I I am the same way. And uh my wife gets it. And she's got her things, you know, and she works at ESPN and she understands the work end of it too, and you know, different obligations I have and preparing for a game, which I've done kind of late night this week and in the early morning. But uh, but she also understands it. If I'm going to have any outlet, it's golf, and I think that's a healthy I'll let to have. You know,

I'm not I'm not running around. I'm not at bars all night. I'm not doing. All I wanna do is when I have a chunk of time, I want to go hit balls and I want to try to get better at playing this great game and uh, and she understands that. So, but there's no doubt you're right, there's no Hi, let's sit around and have a fear. Hey, let's just hang and talk to everybody that just finished and sit up there and make fun of guys coming up eight team. It's it's you know, you're You're gone.

I'm the king of changing shoes in the parking lot and uh and busting at home as best I can. Yeah, the changing shoes in the parking lot. That's my biggest knock on private clubs is I feel really uncomfortable changing shoes in the parking lot of private golf courses. And I just wish it's almost like tipping on to go orders.

I wish universally we would have a rule on this where it's either you can do it everywhere and it's fine, or you can't do it anywhere, Because when I do it at a place where you know you've got to go through a gate, I always feel very uncomfortable doing that. And I feel it at all if I'm at some municipal golf course and Phoenix right, well, I've been at this place over twenty years, basically twenty five years. And you know, somebody's got a problem with me changing my

shoes in the parking lot. I really don't care. So that you know, what are they gonna do, send me a letter, kick me out. It's just not gonna happen. So I think sometimes you have to be realistic. The cell phone thing is crazy too. I mean, when you're a dad, or you're a son, or you've got work, you know, everybody's got a reason to get on their cell phone. It's basically my my traveling office. So I'm not blatant about it. But I'll sneak away, or I'll go somewhere and and and to be honest, a lot

of these clubs have relaxed some of that stuff. Something someone's doing the office away. But for the most part, I think everybody gets the whole cell phone thing too, so uh, you know, I'm smart about it. I look around, by the way, when I changed my shoes in the parking lot, but I changed my shoes in the parking lot. We'll take a quick break from our conversation with Joe Buck to let you know that hiring used to be hard. Molt job side stacks of resumes a confusing review process.

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www dot Pacific life dot com. All right, back to Joe. Dan Hicks was on the podcast last month. He said that he joined paulaising Or in the video tribute they sent for your fiftieth birthday. Didn't in impersonation of you? How good was Dan at Joe Buck brutal? Uh didn't? It didn't sound like me at all. But I got to play with him. I didn't know him at all, And to be honest with you, they didn't know and

don't know team to dance that well. It's just we've always traveled in different circles and so for Dan, I got to I got invited on a trip to Augusta National. I mean it was it was before the matter, I would say end of March mid March this past year, and he just happened to be part of the two foursome group and he and I, I mean I I didn't know him at all. I had an opinion of him. I think he's a great broadcaster and everything, Olympics, golf, whatever. Uh,

but I didn't know him. And I loved the guy and we we had a blast and so uh it made me smile because I've got Paulaisinger on one side, but by the way, is doing a tribute for my fiftieth birthday and his powers like outside his sport coat and it's it's like he looks disheveled. And then I've got Dan doing we'll see you tomorrow night or whatever he was doing. It sounded more like my dad than

it did me. But I was flattered that they did it, and uh, blown away to my wife put this whole video together, and uh so he's a great guy and has become a friend and and that's kind of the golf. You know, you don't you say you don't know somebody that well until you live with him. Let si, you play golf with him, and when you play golf with a guy like that, you laugh your way around against the national Uh, you know, you carry the relationship forward

someone I'm pleased to call him a friend. I want to go back to last year for a moment, and you're a crazy stretch and you've downplayed it in a lot of interviews, but you can't downplay it. I don't want you to downplay what you did because it's insane. Fifteen games, eighteen days, six cities, all four different time zones. You had an eighteen inning, seven hour and twenty minute

post season baseball game during that stretch. I know you mentioned you kind of cold towards the back end of it, but what what was First of all, what was the conversation with your boss? Is like when they said, hey, do you mind doing everything for three weeks? Well, I'm I'm just I guess as ego filled as I uh throw on everybody else. It's it's fun. And when they asked me, that's kind of how we put my contract, my year, my schedule together. I gotta be honest with you.

You know you're doing a ton more golf than me. You know that people with Fox are doing a ton more baseball than I am. I get to show up for the fun ones, the primetime games during the summer, the All Star Game, the this year, a l c U s in the World Series. Otherwise I'm not doing any other baseball. And yeah, there's there's a lot of football with Sunday then folding into Thursday, although we don't do every Sunday anymore. And uh, and then excuse me

baseball getting in the middle of it all. But I loved it. And when they asked me to do it or would I be willing to do it? I was all in. So it wasn't bad. It was fun. And uh, about to do it again? Is it gonna be similar schedule? Sorry, but I'm just choking. Um okay, something just flew in my throat so it was probably sent by another broadcaster. Did you send that up? Sorry? That was yeah, I was. That's why when you told me you were at the club, that's when I knew, knew, uhwe to send it. God,

yeah it will, It'll be the same, I think. You know. The weird thing was the travel days last year in the Baseball Series. I did. We're all on Thursdays or Thursdays were part of the travel of the different uh nlcs and then World Series, so I didn't miss any Thursday games. That's different this year we have the a LCS, so a game five, unless there's a four game sweep, we'll be on a Thursday. That means I'll probably miss

a Thursday game. I think baseball will take front seat then. Um, but we're we're gonna work our way through that and whenever that comes about, and we'll see. I believe the football game is Kansas City at Denver, which is a really good game theoretically, but yeah, it's gonna be the same. It will be the same for the next three years after this too, unless they take me and Troy on Thursday night football. And frankly I like it. I mean, I think when you grow up doing baseball and doing

the Cardinals, which I did for I don't know. I started in ninety one and I think I ended in two thousand and six. I was doing every game and you do if if the sun comes up, you're doing a game that night. And it's good training to be able to do this because you just kind of roll forward and see what you see and say what you say. Well, one thing I feel like people maybe don't pay attention to enough for people like you who do so many sports with so many different people, is the personalities you

have to juggle. I mean, you go small, It's and Eigman and of course Paulaisinger, who is one of the more hilarious humans you will ever meet. I'm assuming those first week, maybe even the first day back with meetings, is it a reminder to yourself of how those people do their jobs, considering you're the same person in all those seats. Yeah, yeah, that's a good question. I think that the common thread that all three have is they're all really prepared, and they all do it in a

different way. Like if I were to describe John Smoltz, I would say that if his arm would allow it and his body would allow it, and I think he's about to get a hip replacement, so that's gonna cut into his golf. Uh, he could go pitch against the two teams that were covering that day. That's how he

gets ready for a game. He goes over video, he looks at trends, he looks at get what guys do when their head on account how pitchers pitch when they're behind them, account two different style hitters, and what have you. He's prepared to pitch. That game is has now kind of taken the universal look with film and looking more at defenses and how a defense is trying to stop an offense. And he'll he'll get ready on his own, and John I'll get ready on his own, and Paul

gets ready on his own. And so the best thing is they're all really good guys. They're all really good friends of mine, and I don't I don't really have to change much. I just have to do what I need to do to get myself ready. And I can read them pretty well, and I know where they want to go with the podcast. I can tell by a little shift in weight in their seat or whatever it might be, that they have something that they want to say.

And uh, it's it's really simple. I mean, they're all they're three Hall of Fame athletes, they were all great in their sport. They can all talk their sports, and uh, I I know what they want from me, and and it's pretty much the same. I try to pick my spots. I don't try to overtalk, and I try to let them you know, flourish and and as long as I keep doing that, I think I'm I'm good with those three guys, are really anybody they they throw at me? All two more and I'll let you go play some golf.

First one is, of course, at Fox, we have the Super Bowl this year and you guys are doing it. Just was wondering about your prep for the season with the super Bowl on the horizon. I mean, you know the teams you focus a lot on with Fox. You get a lot of Dallas Cowboys, you get the Packers a lot. Do you pay a little more attention to a f C teams or what's going on on the other side kind of of the of the league? Or is it just are you always kind of paying attention

to everybody anyway? Yeah, I I could lie to you and say in years to us, is up on the Texans or the Bengals or the Jets or whoever it might be, And and I really wasn't. I mean, I would read what was carried nationally. I would read the main stories, and if it involves Sam Dune over the Jets or somebody with the Ravens, you know, I was aware of it all. But you tend to focus on what you're covering that week, and you go week by week. But now with Thursday Night Football, we're seeing teams that

we haven't done. So we're seeing Tennessee, We're seeing Baltimore, we're seeing Cincinnati, We're seeing the Jets. We're seeing so I need to know what's gone on and that that should be a huge help that by the time and the Patriots, I mean, we basically do one Patriot game a year, but now we're doing two, sometimes three because

you have Thursday Night Football in there. Um, you know, you are aware of different benchmarks during the course of their season, and so when they show up the first week of February, you're not catching up on seventeen games and seventeen thousands different storylines that have had that have happened over the year. Um. And so that should be a real benefit for us. I guarantee you that whoever we see in the Super Bowl from the NFC, we're gonna cover it because we do the postseason and we

know those teams anyway. But from the a f C, I guarantee you whoever is in that game then should be New England, whatever, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Uh, we will have seen them during the year, so that's not a big advantage. All right, last question, what's the favorite new golf course? And I know you played some golf in Ireland when you went over and did red Sox Yankees. What's your favorite new golf course you've played in two thousand nineteen

that you've never played before. Yeah, I'm glad your mind. I went to Ireland because you know, I didn't know what to expect over there. I was blown away by how great the golf was. I always thought it was gonna be kind of shaggy and and kind of you know, windy and awful and grant and we just got lucky with a great week of weather and all that stuff exists. It exists anywhere. But when we landed, we played Old Head,

which is, you know, just breathtakingly beautiful. Probably not the best golf course we played, but as far as Jews and feel, it's like, man, it just doesn't get any better than this. We have to bally Bunyan. We went to. Truly i've had Baally Bunyan was really hard. Truly. The back nine, you know, that's Arnold Pond. There's course in his famous line as the front nines designed virnyld Palm or the back nine is designed by God, and I

understand why they say that. Uh. And then we went to a Dare manner which just got the Ryder Cup, and that place was I've been lucky enough to play August a few times, Augusta Nationals, and this place was like even more manicured and more like if you utter, you can put from three hunt, you can put from the tea box and and get it on the green. It's that nice, like it's it's overdone to the point where you and then it's it's boss. It's around this

unbelievable castle. It's it's like, is this real? It looks like something out of a video game designed by somebody who's never played golf, because you're like, well, those courses don't exist, but it does. So I mean, my god, that Ryder Cup. I assume they'll have that castle. I'll run it out and players will be staying there, and they've got a million restaurants. That is going to be the most farm Ryder Cup, uh, that those guys will ever play. So I think I was blown away most

by a Dare manner. I think I had the most fun a truly. Yeah, it's it's one of those golf courses. It's it sounds like where you had no expectations really going in, and then when you get there, you're like, oh no, this place is the best. Okay, now I

now I get it. Now I see And that's that's the best part about traveling, especially when we travel all summer long with the golf team, is you go sneak out to some golf course you've never heard of, and you're playing with Julie Inkster and she's talking about how this is one of the most fun days she's had playing golf in a couple of years, and you're thinking, you know, these pros never get to do this. They never they never just go play random golf at places.

And that's why that's what you and I get to do a lot, which is really nice. And I think we were at a Senior Open and you and I and uh, I think Ben and our crew and then a host went out and played Myopia, which I've never heard of, and then you you start looking at the history of it. It was founded before nine, it's hosted US opens, and you go, oh my god, this place is like mind blowing how cool it is and I've never heard of and then you're like, I gotta get

back there. Or we got a chance to play Fishers Island, which you know, that's that's just the beauty. And and that was kind of my life when I was doing the Cardinals way, I was doing the games with Mike Shannon, That's when I fell in love with golf. I didn't grow up playing golf. But if you're on the Cardinals radio or TV team and you're in Cincinnati for three days, what are you gonna do during the day. I mean,

you can only sleep so much. You're in Houston, you know where are you gonna play all It's gonna River Oaks three days in a row. You're in San Francisco, let's go play Olympic. Or you're in Chicago, Let's go play me Dina and and so I Shannon could set up a like Shannon could set up a tour better than Tim Finham could and uh and so constantly I've got to play all these great places, like, man, this is the best sport going. So that's really how I fell in love with the game. And it's certainly like

that time ten when we're traveling around doing the goals. Well, Joe, I appreciate it. Is always have a great uh NFL season, postseason, super Bowl all that I know. I'll chat with you before then, and uh, what are you gonna go play or practice? What are we gonna do right now? I'm just gonna go hit balls. And and obviously after he playing eleven times in eighteen holes, I'm gonna go put I would I would put and video that and send

it to Brad Facts And what am I doing wrong? Yeah? Well, I just invited him to an event Donicago in December. And really I don't want to hang with Brad at all, but I just want him to help me with my putt. I understand wholeheartedly. He was. He was we were playing, We were playing a couple of weeks ago, and he just got a lesson, which I find baffling that Brad facts and gets putting lessons. But he just got a lesson.

And he would be standing over and going, I'm kind of trying to hook cut this putt, and I was thinking, every time you say this, I'm gonna miss a five foot or why do you keep saying these things? First of all, what lunatic thinks that he or she can give Brad fact. That's what I'm saying. It's unbelievab bull I don't care facts and wants it. If facts and begs the person who's standing on that green going here, Brat,

here's what you should try to do. Who's qualified to do that unless it's Ben Crenshaw or I don't know who. Who's who's a better putter in the history of the game than uh than Brat Facts and maybe Tiger in early two thousand's that's about it. Yeah, Jack, I mean Jack, when he was being clear, it's like, hey, Verlander, you this is how you actually hold it. This is a little bit easier if you have the seam on your left finger and you're going no, no, no no, no, he's

got it. He's got it locked in. He's got it. By the way, i'd take a putting lesson from Verlander two he's given him. Thanks Joe, I appreciate. Have a good year, alright, buddy, anytime. Thanks. It looks like I'm a wreck in the hole. A big thanks to Joe Buck for jumping on. Make sure you tune in on Sunday four Giants Cowboys. That will be their first game of the season. A big thanks, of course to my friends at title List and the pro v one and Provy one X. It's the best golf ball in the market.

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