Ep. 133 - Scott McCarron

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Scott McCarron here this week to kind of talk a little bit about the PGA Tour and the transition into the champions and how it's how it's gone for him, both positively and maybe differently than he expected it would be over the last three years as he's really become one of the dominant figures on the PGA Tour champions And then we previewed a little bit about the Senior Open and just talked about what needs to change for him.

He's never had a great track record at US Opens and US Senior Opens, and he talked a little bit about that and what he hopes will be different this week at the war And Course will be a Notre Dame. We're excited to get there. As I mentioned, we've had a great season so far. The Women's Open was awesome. Of course US Open was great at Pebble, and now we rock and roll into the Senior and then into a whole bunch of the amateur events. So I hope

you're paying attention to tuning in. As I said Wednesday preview show, Thursday, we get going. Let's get to Scott and we welcome into the clubhouse Scott McCarron, who is having one heck of a year, three wins already, including one a couple of weeks ago in Japan. Scott, is is that? Is that? Two continents with wins in two thousand nineteen. You're gonna try to rack up a few more? What's the deal here? Well, I'll tell you what. We've

been on a pretty good role. Just been having a lot of fun out here, putting myself in position with nine holes ago and that's, you know, kind of our goal. And I've been able to come through three times with three wins here in the last seven weeks. So playing some good golf and having a lot of fun. Well, something I wanted to just kind of start with that I've always found very, very interesting, and I just I would like for someone like you to explain it to me.

You know, we we focus so much on the pg Tour as players make their way through their careers, and you know, you kind of competed against guys like Greg Norman and Paul Ezinger and the Curtis Strangers of the world, and then they turned fifty and they don't have a careers are great careers on the PGA Tour champions And then there's guys like you who had solid PGA Tour careers. They turned fifty and it's like something clicks and the in the in the career takes off, you know, fifty

and beyond. What do you feel like is the number one factor for the success on the PGA Tour champions for for somebody like you who has obviously embraced this and has done so well with it over the last three years of your career. You know, that's a great question, Shane. I think maybe a little bit of it would be hunger, meaning I'm hungry, I want to win, I want to win majors. I want to win as much as I can. I want to make as much money as I can in the next ten and twelve years so that I

can retire and do something else. Um. I think some of those guys come out here that had great careers and made a bunch of money, a lot of other businesses, a lot of the things going on might not be as hungry to you know, put all the work in that you need to do every single week. UM. I know Bernard Lawnger is hungry. He works his butt off. Miguel i'm Aneljmenez is hungry. Um, Jerry Kelly, you know

these guys are hungry. And I think that's what kind of separates a little bit the guys that are doing really well out here in the PG Church champions and the guys that come out and have already had great careers and have already done it and I just want to come out here and have a good time. Yeah. One thing I've noticed, and I feel like this also has to be a factor. And and you're a guy

that's always been very committed to fitnesses. I feel like the guys that have continued to really keep themselves in great shape, you can tell when they turned fifty and move on to the champions. It seems like those two things kind of go hand and hand a little bit. Well they do and mean the guy. It's kind of funny. The same guys that were working out, you know, when I was on tour twenty years ago, um, are the

same guys that are working out now. I mean there was only a handful of us that we were in the fitness trailers working out all the time, and it's the same guys are in the fitness trailer now. They're trying to prolong their careers. UM have less injuries, be able to keep up hitting the ball far with distance, and that's one of the things I think is key. If you can still hit the ball far. I'm the

PGA Tour champions. You can compete into your sixties. It's the guys that don't hit it far, never did hit it far. They'll have a good three or four years, but then they have a tougher time competing because they're losing distance. And then the new young guys we say young at coming on this tour and they're hitting it far. So I think if you could have some length, UM, you can have a you know, fairly extended career out the PGA Tour Champions up until you're sixty two, sixty three,

sixty four. Yeah, it is. It is interesting. And listen, I know none of us like to talk about our mortality and and and how long we have on this earth, but I do. I talked to Steve Flesh about this when he was forty eight years old. I remember we were sitting we were doing Norman's event down in Florida, and he was talking about how he was going to

get back into it. You know, he was gonna play in some web events and he's been kind of grinding on the practice green, you'd been hit a little bit more range balls, and he was getting ready for fifty.

And you know, when you look at a lot of players over the years on the Champions Tour, it is one of those things where you might have and you've mentioned ten, eleven, twelve years, which is possible for sure, but you do see a lot of the successes coming from guys that are fifty two, fifty three, fifty five, And you mentioned it when you started. It's like, I'm gonna go out and get it now when I can. And for you, I mean, you are doing so well

as you've gotten older. I mean it's seen you. I even saw you read a quote you said where it seems like this year you felt more and more comfortable out there. Do you do you in a weird way? Do you look at the calendar? Do you look at the clock and go, all right, three wins? I'm fifty three, now I got you know, I can get him, get a couple more majors, all that stuff for. Are you just trying to do it as long as you can? Well?

You know that It's interesting. When I first came out here, before I even turned fifty, guys say, hey, come out ready, go play the you know web dot com or the new Corn Ferry Tour. Uh a little plug in for today. Uh play as much as you can and be ready, because you know you might only have two or three year window to make all your money. Um. And when I got out here, I thought, you know, that's probably correct. I better get out here, and I better win. I better do as much as I can the next two

or three or four years. But now having said that, I feel very comfortable and if I can stay in shape, you know, injury free. And that's the other thing. We get older you know you're gonna get injuries as we get older. Um, if I can stay injury free and stay in shape, I feel I can be competitive until I'm in the sixties. I mean, look at what Bernard Longer is doing. I mean, that guy is kind of our benchmark for when we look at what can we

do and what's humanly possible. The guys playing some great golf still in the sixties sixty one, almost sixty two, So I think if you can stay in shape, you can have a longer career. But for a lot of guys, yeah, you better get it, get it done in the first three or four years, because more younger guys are coming out, you know, to come out here and compete, and they're these guys are good. I mean we got Phil Mickelson can be out here, you know a little bit. Tiger

Wood could be out here in a little bit. Ernie Els is coming out. So we've got some good players coming out here on the PGA Church Champions And I hope that all these guys will embrace the tour and come out and play because it's a lot of fun. And I'll never forget two years ago. I'll bet amounting with Jack Nicholas um at loss Tree and we had dinner over at their house and he had just won the Alliance Tournament UH the week before, and he pulled me aside and says, hey, I just want you to

know I have one regret. I wish I would have played more on the PGA Church Champions. I loved it. I had so much fun, but I wish I would have played more, because once it's over, it's over, and that's it. I mean that that's such a great point. Is you know, the the whole you know best mulligan. You know that Lee Travino quote. You know it's it's the greatest mulligan in golf as you turn fifty. But there's not a sixty five or seven year old tour.

So this is it. As you mentioned, I mean, when you get going, when you turned fifty and you made the switch, did it Was it more competitive? Was it more serious? Was it what you thought it would be? What do you feel like as you look back three years ago, what do you feel like the PGA Torch Champions has been for you in the sense of competition compared to maybe what you thought it would be. And I know, I know you'd spent some time and still

have some friends out there. But just being between the ropes, it was it was it equal to more than or less than what you thought it might be. You know, it's interesting. I got a lot of advice, and I was seeking advice before I got out there, and everybody said, oh, you're gonna love it. You know, guys don't really practice much, and guys go have a beer after the round, and you know it's very very easy going and you know

you're gonna have a good time. Well, I got out here and these guys were practicing harder than they ever did on the PGA Tour, and no one was in the bar after the round. Um, these guys were working out, and these guys were going low, starting on the first day on Friday and shooting fifteen to twenty under in three rounds. I mean, I was shocked at how good these guys still could play under tough conditions. The golf

courses were not short. We were playing some of the courses that I played on the PGA Tour, and we're playing the same distance on the PGA Church Champions as we did back in my PGA Tour days. These courses were set up off the whole locations, we're talk um rough, maybe not quite as high as maybe we had sometimes on the PGA two days, but still these golf courses

were playing good and these guys were going low. So I was kind of shocked at how good these guys really were, and I said, you know, and I'd better start really getting my game going if I want to compete out here. Now. Is that a little bit of a bumber though, I mean not a bummer in the sense that you're gonna have to keep grinding and keep going after it. But if you're sitting there going all right, I'll have a couple of bud lights after the round and I get to kind of go back to the

hotel and chill. And you get out there and you're going, wait a minute, I didn't expot and sign up for rains balls for four hours a day. You know, it's for me. I love that. I've always been a hard worker, um, and I liked the work. So that was that was a little bit shocked at how much these guys are practicing. But that's exactly what I knew I needed to do to come out here and compete. I've always done that

my whole career. So um, I was actually happy to see that the guys were out there working hard and doing that because it motivates you. I mean when I see Brenn Longer in there when I first came out in the fifties, seven fifty eight, out there working, working out as hard as he is, um, eating right, you know, not drinking. I mean, all these things that he's doing, and he's out there on Monday after he just wanted a tournament, walking the golf course that's out Holy cow.

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with it. And and to your point, a lot of the times you'll see guys win and the next week, you know, they're on the driving range on Monday, You're there on the driving range on Tuesday. Even even Rory McElroy when he won the Wills Fargo a few weeks back, you know, he goes somebody asked him, do you wish the US Open started tomorrow and he goes, no, I'll probably be hungover, and sure enough he was literally at

Pebble Monday morning for a practice around. I mean, it's like we can sit here and be completely happy with what we've done six success wise, but you've got to kind of go back out there because the next week is a completely new deal. I mean, the they've they've shuffled the cards and you don't know what you're gonna get. And so, as you said, it's it's really about, you know,

year to year, what am I gonna do now? And you're having your best year of your career, what do you feel like has changed in two thousand and nineteen compared to season's past when you've obviously had success as well. Well, you know, I wouldn't say not so much has changed this year. You know, I've won eleven times out here with the Major, so um, I've finished fourth in the Schwab Cup. I finished second on the money list last two years, so I've been very competitive out here and

you know, trying to win the Schwab Cup. I had a chance with nine holes to go last year to win a Swab Cup, but VJ saying played a great back nine so, um, I've been playing well. You know, people think, oh, you know, what's totally different this year? You know, not much. I mean I've won three times in the last seven weeks, which has been great. I felt I left a couple of tournaments out there. The whole Classic in Newport, I felt like, you know, let

one go there, um Kirk Triplett one. I lost the playoff five shot, and then the Senior p GA Kenny Tenna gallabeat me in the last hole with the pot from about twelve ft, which is a great pot. But I felt, you know, I left some shots out there, uh that I felt like I could have given myself a better chance to win. So even though I've won three, I feel like I should have won five, you know, And when you win five, you feel like you should

have won seven. And when you do that, when you win, you want to be on their next week on Monday, out there practicing play and getting ready. It's kind of mindset of you can never be too content about winning. And one of the things out here in the PG two Champions, you went a tournament. It's not like I'm women you know, millions of dollars. You know, you're winning a couple of hundred thousand and maybe three. But you

can't rest on that. You know, you gotta keep going and you gotta win as much as you can um out here. So you know, I'm working hard. I'm trying to win as much as I can and I want to win this Schwab Cup at the end of the year. That's that was my goal, and it's been my goal in the last three years. Just Burn Longer has had a little bit of a stragglehold on it. He's had a straggle hold on everything that got I'm telling you, he's not a human. He's just an He's he just

is a golfing machine built to play golf. I'm convinced of that until somebody tells me otherwise. You mentioned Tanagawa. So the rumor is his nickname is the Assassin. Rumor is that he just you do not want to play the golf for money? Is is that? Is that? Is that a fact? That's what I've heard. That is the fact that Whisper Rock he is the Assassin, And you know he he is been a great player. We played

college golf together. He was two years younger than I was, and Kenny t was always one of the greatest guys that ever been around, and a great player. Played in Japan and then tried to play a little bit in the web. You know, never had much success, but we knew if he got out here he was going to do well because he still hits the ball a long ways, got a great short game. Um, he just had to learn how to, you know, really be competitive again and

be comfortable in that situation. And it didn't take him long once he got out here. And we Kenny T and I play every Tuesday. We have a little game. Grant Job and I, who went to you Slay together, were roommates and frattorney brothers take on all comers. So we're usually playing against Kenny T and Glenn Day or Kent Jones. And I'll tell you what. The assassin might get a lot of money at Whisper Rock in Arizona, but he pays out a lot your champion there. You

put that out there on the airways. Oh, they take the assassin on. I'm not I'm not touching him. I'm not driving thirty minutes north to play the guy at Whisper Rock. I've heard too many rumors about about hopefully your bill fold is double the size when you show up because they're not gonna leave that way. But so all right, so what's your game. Let's let's hear the game. I mean, you're out there, you're battling, you, you're you're throwing a couple of shacks. Either way. What do you

guys play on Tuesday? Yeah? We basically we just play all comers, just twenty three ways, auto two downs and uh, Brandon, I take mom bastball. That's pretty much how it goes. And I can tell you right now, Brandon and I have not lost this year, and I think we only lost once last year, so we we've gotten into their pockets pretty good, hopeful last couple of years. Uh, and it's I'll tell you what. We have so much fun playing and just the ribbing going back and forth all

day long. Glen Day is just absolutely hilarious. He's America's favorite a redneck and we just love him. Sometimes we have to get a translated to figure out what he's saying, but he is just one of the funniest guys ever been around. It's like water Boy, You're like watching the Adam stay On in the movie, Like what what was that exact phrase? I'm not totally completely sure what happened. I know you've told this story plenty of times, but I just I really enjoyed it. I think it's super cool.

Take me back to when you were having kind of putting yips and you basically built your own long putter, which is still to me kind of kind of mind boggling. Yeah, that it is a funny story, but that story really got me back into gulf. Um. I wasn't putting well uh into college, and I kind of quit. I started putting left handed, which I could put left hand really well, but I always had a tough time lining up putting left handed. Um, And so I really just quit golf

for about three years, didn't play hardly at all. And it happened to be a Champions Tour event at my home course in Sacramento Ranch and Marianna called the Rayley scene the gold Rush. And I saw like five or six of these guys uh put with a long putter, and I'd never you know, I kind of been out of golf a little bit. I've never really seen a long putter or seeing a putt with it, and so I just stood in the practice green watching these guys putting long potter, and I said, hey, that looks that

looks pretty good. I'm gonna go see if I can make one. So that night I went home. Um, I think I drank about six are about of pale ale beers, and I took a ping answer uh potter, cut off the top of the grip, and then I took a three wood, an old all of our three wood, that was an actual wood three wood, and I snapped it

over my leg and uh. Then I subbed that shaft with the grip and down the putter shaft, down the ping answer um shaft, and it just kind of stopped because it wouldn't go any farther because the diameter or the shaft right at about. And I'm like, oh, that feels pretty good. But it was a little light. So I tried to figure out how am I gonna put enough lead tape on this pin answer. So I started loading up the lead tape, but it wasn't quite enough.

So I felt like I needed something else. And I lived on a golf or so what flashlight in the golf cart out to the golf course, got some sand out of the bunker and started putting sand down the shift of this thing to try to wait it up. Um. Then I it kind of rattled, so I had to take some bubble gum, shoot some hubble bubble bubblegum, stuck it around the shaft so it wouldn't rattle. And then all I had was Elmer's glue at the time, so I just stuck Elmo's blue in there and glued the

shaft together and that was it. UM went up. The next morning, called in sick to work. So I go practice putting, and it felt good right from the get go, and I was like, holy cow, this feels great. I think I can I can do this again. And so I started playing golf again, playing some amateur events and then uh, I qualified for the U S Mid Amateur when I was twenty five, and it was in Hilton Head Long Cove Country Club and lost in the quarterfinals. So you know, I had fun, and I was playing

in front of people. I'm like, you know, this is really what I wanted to do all along. Let's give this a shot. And it's all because of the long putter. Yeah. Well, I was gonna say. I mean, it's safe to say, you know, I love those stories because it's just one thing like you said you had, let's have six beers and try to figure out a way to get around

this obstacle that's in my life and my career. Would you say, I mean, you don't have that night, or you don't figure this out and it goes five, six, seven years, I mean, maybe you don't have a career and professional golf. Is that safe to say? Oh, Shane, absolutely, If if that night does not happen, I'm probably not playing professional golf. I'm probably going to doing something else.

I mean really, And that was that was a tipping point for me to see that happen, to see that happen at my home course, to give it a try, and to figure out a different way to put um. Without it, there's no question I wouldn't be around today. And and and so then, I mean, of course, a couple of years ago, you've got Now you've got a new obstacle. Now you've got to figure out a new way to do something you've been doing for what years? And yeah, and you knew, I mean we all knew the rules

were coming. We all knew the rule changes were coming. Was it something? I mean, were you were you nervous? Were you interested in finding kind of a new way to do what so comfortably to you in the past. I mean, how did that process go down to figure out a way. I've got to figure out how I can still make putts or you know, I'm gonna have to hang them up. Yeah, no question. So when I came out in the PG Church Champions, I had eight events before the rule came into effect. So I turned

fifty in July, had eight events. UM. I came out here with a little bit of success. I've had three top tens, but I felt like, okay, you know I can play UM. But then I always in the back of my mind was okay, I've got to figure out another way to put So after the eight events UM, I went and played an event up in Pebble Beach called the Callowy Invitational UM that turned in out of

Tailor made Invitational. And so that was the first event before the band went into effects for anchoring that I putted not anchored UM, without really any practice, And as I was doing it, I started getting more and more comfortable as the days were going on. I didn't play great, I didn't put great, but I putted well enough. I thought, you know, with practice, I think I can do this, so um that gave me confidence to go back home,

and I just worked hard at it. But I tried, you know, cross handed, I tried claw grip, I tried sad side saddle, um, I tried counterbalance weights. I mean, I really spent two months or so trying everything and playing golf and trying to have games to put some pressure on me to figure out a way that I could put um. And I went to the first event in Boca uh that next year with a different putter that was really heavy, counterbalanced, and it was really windy,

and I didn't put well at all. And so the next week I putted one round with a long putter. The second round, I said, you know, screw this, I'm gonna go to a short putter claw. And I put it short putter claw, and you know, I put it okay, But I didn't put well enough where I thought I could win with this. I thought, you know, I could get by, I could maybe finish in the top thirty or forty on the money list and and just kind of have a ice low career. But I didn't feel

like I could win with this. Under the gun um I put it the next week in Tucson with it, and then I had like a month off and I took that month and I really was experimenting with the long potter not anchored. Um I cut it. I cut my normal long putter down and about an inch and a half so I get over the ball a little more. Then I had to add lead tape to make the

head weight heavier just by a little bit. And then I started figuring out that if I got a little bit short of the putter out of that lead tape, then I could get my left arm parallel to the ground and uh stroke it that way. And once I figured that out, I'm like, Okay, I can do this. But it was good three four month process of getting comfortable. And now, um, I am so happy that they banned anchoring because it's a better way to put. It's a

freer stroke. I always felt if I was anchored my body stopped, then I couldn't get the putter through impact. But now that the putter grip or the hand is not anchored at all, if my body stops, it's still free flowing through impact, and it's a much better way to put. Once you figure it out. Yeah, I saw, I saw what you said. That even if they allowed it again, you wouldn't go back. I mean you would

just continue to chance. Yeah, no chance. I mean I've turned into a much better putter with it not anchored. Now it's listen. I tell everyone it's really easy to put with a long putter not anchored. It's just not easy to put well. And you got to remember, I've been using the same similar strokes in this is pretty

much all I know how to do. Um. If you take a guy who's just to puts with the regular putter all his life, and all of sudden you give him a long putter and say here, go go play a tournament with it and don't anchor it not, They're gonna have a very difficult time putting because they haven't done it before. But because I've been doing this since ninety one, it really wasn't that hard to transition once I've figured out the length and the weight of the

of the putter. How many putters did you have at your house when you were going through the what the hell am I going to do? Phase with the putting I have? I that could be the Hall of Fame of long putters. Um, I have hundreds of long putters uh, in my in my house, and and I have left handed putters. I had bass awkwards putters, the thing putters. I mean every type of putter contraption that you can possibly think of. I think I have or I have

tried at some point. Um side sattle. My dad actually put in side sattle for years with an old bob dude and special um and I got him. He was a guy who was a very good player scratch player, still plays shoots his age, but couldn't put either and got the yips and that you know, I've never heard of the yips. And my dad got the yips and he literally would have He couldn't play unless he had a bottle of wine or or a vodka someting like that.

And one of the head pro said, your dad was the only guy I know that when we teed off, he charged a corkage fee to play around with him. So, uh, you know, my dad, I taught him how to put the long putter, and he puts great with the long putter now and and has for a long time. So I'm glad he doesn't have to have a bottle of wine before he teas off. Yeah, there's a there's a

there's a guy I know his name. I will not mention that that one has had won a pretty huge event on the PGA Tour who now is has gotten into broadcasting. That told me that if he plays golf now, he'll shoot forty to forty three on the front, but he drinks six beers on the front and by the time he gets to the back he shoots about thirty thirty one. I said, yeah, I don't know if they're gonna let you do that professionally, but maybe that will calm the old nerves. I totally understand that that is

that that is. Hey, it works for some people. Apparently, Hey, weekend golfers, it works. It's just you gotta keep that very fine line going for four hours right the holes. I think it's very difficult, very difficult. So the last question, then I'll let you go. I wanted to talk about

the major championships on the senior side of things. I was looking up your stats, and I mean, I know you've played really well in your career on the PGA Tour champions but eighteen major starts, eleven top seven finishes, including that win at the Players in two thousand seventeen. That said you haven't played great in the US Senior Open thus far in your career. So first question is have you played the war in course? Do you know

much about it? Have you had a chance to go out there and see it before obviously we get going. You know, it's interesting you bring up that spat with the the Senior Opens. I never really played well in the U s Open either, and I had one top ten a congressional years ago. I made a few cuts, but I was never like felt like that was the tournament I could win it. Um, I was along, you know, I hit the ball along back in the day, but I didn't hit it, you know, as accurate as I

do now. So I never really did a good job competing in US Opens, and it's kind of continued for some reason over to the Senior Open. You know, they set up the golf course is tough and the whole bit. And I haven't played well yet in the Senior Open, but I feel like my game is coming around where I'm driving a lot straighter. Uh, my short games better. Um, you know, we just played okill and the Senior PGA Championship,

and that was set up. That golf course was set up as good as any golf we're seeing with deep, rough, hard fast green. So it was more like US Open conditions and I competed and I, you know, finished second, had a chance to win. So I feel like this year, hopefully going forward, I'll be able to compete better and in senior open time. I haven't played the Warran course

yet and Notre Dame. I hear it's absolutely fantastic and I'm really looking forward to getting there and playing and having Fox uh broadcast at the best best broadcast company and Alive golf. Now from what I hear and I've been reading, guys, that's such a good job. Last week in pebble Um. I was happy to be with you guys for two years. And obviously me leaving has had something to do with you guys getting better. That is

not the case. We we miss you. I I miss having you around just to have one of the one more guy to go out and play. You were always down to go tee it, which is uh, which is nice. It was like you and facts and we're in. We have We have added Brett Quigly, who again is another guy that is UH that is massively excited to not only turn fifty but always excited if you if you have a game or anything, He'll drive forty five minutes to play. I did ask Facts some questions to ask you,

just anything random, he said. Ask him if he's ever beat me in a sport with a racket? Is is Brad Factson's question? Do you Scott Brad Facts? Yeah? Mr I'm the best with the racket. Okay, so Facts and arguably is one of the best ping punk players ever seen. Have not beat him at ping punker pop tennis. Um, I would say I would be pretty competitive with him. I only played him one time in pop tennis. UM I would probably beat him at tennis. Racquetball we played

years ago. Um I beat him one game. He beat me two games. But it was pretty darned close. Um. And it was so close that afterwards there were some stairs leading out of the racquetball courts. Um neither of us could had to crawl up. I mean this was this was blood, sweat and tears out in the racketball court. I want to beat him so bad, but now he got me. The guy is pretty good with a racket, and uh I look forward to at some point playing him and maybe some tennis or something like that I

would say tennis. Back in my DA, I could have beat him. I made the j B team at hes still I playing tennis. I was pretty a tennis player, but ping pong no chance. Racketball would be close and pop tennis. Now he plays all the time, so he's better than me. At that last question, what is it like, can even considering your ability to stay in great shape at fifty three being the second best athlete in the family. Exactly, I am the second best. I got my wife Jenny,

the triathlete, uh golfer seven handicap. You know she's a great shot. She can do it all. She's now got in got into horses. She's horse jumping. Now we now have a horse Keeddy Roosevelt. And you're gonna have to keep playing to keep up with that sport. I know, I you know. She she's amazing woman. She keeps me in shape, she keeps me young. I'm chasing around all the time. We have so much fun. She's a good wake surfer. And uh, no question on the second best

athlete in our household. Well, Scott, I appreciate it. Good luck obviously. At the U S Senior Open, we're pumped to h to be there. I know you mentioned the golf course and uh and yeah, I mean I've heard from everything I've read and seen, Um, it's it's an unbelievable place. And I've I've had a few messages on social media from people that say it's in like as good a condition as they can remember a themes. So it should be a great week and and we're excited

to cover and excited to see out they're playing. Jane. Thanks to look forward to seeing you and Buddy. You're doing a great job with the Fox broadcast, all the things you're doing. It's fun seeing you just blossom becoming one of the best broadcasters in the sport. Thanks man, it looks like I'm a wreck. It's a big thanks to Scott for jumping on. Make sure you check us out on Wednesday for the previous show and into Thursday through Sunday for the championship. It'll be on FS one

and Fox. A big thanks to Zip Recruiter and of course titlist and the pro v one in pro v one X. Hope you guys have a great week and a great weekend watch them. Golf will be there. We're excited about it and we'll be back next week. Way Way