Phileena Heuertz
In this conversation we talk about how centering prayer helped save her, how spiritual depth is usually a form of being undone, and how the future of our faith can become more experiential.

In this conversation we talk about how centering prayer helped save her, how spiritual depth is usually a form of being undone, and how the future of our faith can become more experiential.
In this conversation we talk about his new book, “The Thing Beneath the Thing,” his journey of being a part of some of the most influential churches in the U.S. and how we can uncover the pain hidden in the depths of our life.
In this conversation we talk about creating a plan for our own flourishing, the real meaning of being born again, and the outcome of creating systems where leaders can’t be fully human.
In this conversation we talk about Sarah’s journey to becoming a progressive pastor in Orange County, the creativity that emerges when you stop fighting the old, and how transformation only happens in real relationships.
In this conversation we talk about his new book, “If God Still Breathes, Why Can’t I?” the difference between being a chaplain for the empire and a prophet for the revolution, and how white supremacist authoritarianism take up residency in our minds and bodies.
This episode is about Peak experiences, Christian Conferences, Burning Man, and Why None of Them Matter Without Contemplation.
In this conversation we talk about his new book, “If God is Love, Don’t be a Jerk,” deconstructing on the way to adult spirituality, and fighting for a Christianity that resembles Jesus.
This episode is about why taking risks always requires letting go of control.
In this episode I talk about how the best stories always involve risk, how a decision not to risk is a decision not to love again, and why failure is a friend of freedom.
In this conversation we talk about stepping away from their role in the church and how it has affected their relationship (for the better), their deep belief that life can always become more expansive, and what the past year has reveled about the church.
Phil Wood comes on and interviews me for the 1 year episode--we talk about the best times of the past year with the podcast, my forthcoming book, and why we all need to trust the River.
In this episode, we talk about how Frank helped start the pro-life movement and the religious right and why he came to regret it, how most “family values” are actually a form of misogyny, and how mothering can help save the planet.
How growing requires us to let go of our old forms of security, why changing is so scary, and how the Spirit keeps calling us forward
In this episode, I talk about how growing affects our relationships, how institutional acceptance gets in the way of real change, and how there is something we need to let go of in order to keep moving forward.
We talk about how we have fallen out of relationship with the earth and one another, the sacred essence of all things, and why we need to keep listening to what our soul already knows.
A blessing for all of us this holy and hard day.
In this episode, I talk about PRIDE, how the church’s judgment makes them miss out on joy, and why the only boundaries that exist are the ones that are within us.
Dr. Labberton is president of Fuller Theological Seminary, and in this episode, we talk about how people leaving the church actually gives us a diagnosis of the state of the church, what God has been revealing in the church during Covid, and how real worship is always a threat to toxic forms of power.
In this episode, I talk the “God Bless USA” Bible, the Christian resistance to Critical Race Theory, other things that can frustrate me momentarily, and why the Body of Christ is still so beautiful
We talk about the cost of authenticity, the future of the faith, and what happens when you fall in love with another woman while you’re on staff at an evangelical mega church.
We talk about why love matters more than being right, how knowledge becomes a way to avoid vulnerability, and why he has a podcast called, “the Bible for Normal People.”
In this episode, we talk about the history of the Emergent Church, a Christianity worth believing, and why people are still talking about deconstruction.
The difference between spiritual intelligence and spiritual experience, why the people who are the most dogmatic with their beliefs are the ones who know God the least, and why you can become less certain about your beliefs about God, but more free in Christ.
We talk about the heavy burdens the church places on lgbtq folks, how her book is an invitation to see the world through the eyes of queer people, and that the places that are written off are so often the places Jesus is at work the most.
We talk about slowing down in a culture of speed and distraction, the difference between information and formation, and what a holistic spiritual life feels like.
In this episode I answer questions about legalizing weed and how the church should engage and move forward, recent AAPPI attacks and the church’s response to White Christian Nationalism, and how to remain hopeful and committed to the church.
We talk about how facebook got him fired, the tension between the head and the heart for the church and the LGBTQ community, and why he named his first book, “UnClobber”
This is episode is about how we can use religion to avoid reality, how churches can create environments that encourage this, and why honesty is everything.
In this episode, we talk about the radical and inclusive love of God, how the movement of the Spirit does not always make sense, and always choosing conviction over conformity.
In this episode, I talk about climbing the ladder, vicarious value, and career choices within the Christian Industrial Complex.