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Chuck’s Commentary - Trump’s Most Consequential Scandal Wasn’t Clickable Enough + Democrats Need A “Project 2032” To Stay Electorally Viable

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In this episode of the Chuck ToddCast, Chuck unpacks what may be the most brazen presidential corruption scandal in modern history—Donald Trump allegedly selling U.S. foreign policy to the UAE for personal gain—barely registered in the public conversation, drowned out by louder, more sensational distractions. The discussion explores why Trump’s election-interference rhetoric breaks through while substantive corruption stories vanish, how media incentives favor spectacle over consequence, and why Trump responds selectively to political, market, and institutional pressure. Chuck argues that while some democratic guardrails still hold, the deeper danger isn’t a dramatic coup but the slow erosion of norms—one where kleptocracy becomes normalized, foreign policy is treated as a personal asset, and Congress, not voters, remains the only institution capable of stopping it before the damage becomes irreversible.

Finally, Chuck gives his ToddCast Top 5 states Democrats need to target prior to 2032, when census reapportionment will greatly change the electoral college math needed to win the presidency and answers listeners’ questions in the “Ask Chuck” segment. 

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Timeline:

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00:00 Chuck Todd’s introduction

0:30 Worst presidential corruption scandal ever couldn’t break through

1:45 Trump sold American foreign policy to UAE for personal gain

2:45 Story was jaw dropping, but was completely overshadowed

4:00 Trump’s threat to federalize elections broke through over corruption

5:00 Should you worry about what Trump is saying, or what he’s doing?

6:00 Trump is desperate to sell the lie that he won in 2020

6:45 Election inference rhetoric can be as powerful as election interference

8:00 Trump shutdown Kennedy Center because he was being humiliated

9:15 Trump was losing control of Kennedy Center narrative, made a spectacle

10:15 Trump has turned America into a kleptocracy, THAT should be the story

11:45 The corruption story disappeared from news cycle after a couple days

12:30 Editors lean on stories that get more traction rather than importance

13:30 Some of the guardrails still work, some of the time

14:15 After two deaths in Minneapolis, Trump backed down a bit

15:00 Trump does respond to political pain in polling

15:30 Trump didn’t pick a sycophant for Fed Chair, cares about markets

16:15 Trump responds to three types of pressure

18:00 Worried less about Trump’s election rhetoric than his foreign policy

18:30 Trump doesn’t have the power to override state elections

19:15 Trump’s election threats supercharge opposition turnout

20:00 Voters won’t be the check on corruption, congress has to be

21:00 Democracies don’t fall from coups, they erode

21:45 The scariest stories get attention, the most consequential get ignored

26:00 Democrats will lose seats & electoral votes after 2030 census

28:30 Parties can work for realignment & flipping states

29:15 House of Representatives needs to be doubled in size

30:45 Base voters expect immediate results, leaders need to think long-term

31:15 Democrats need a Project 2032 and invest to win 5-10 new states

32:00 ToddCast Top 5 states Democrats should be targeting NOW

33:00 #1 North Carolina

35:30 #2 Texas

37:15 #3 Kansas

39:15 #4 Georgia

40:15 #5 Arizona

40:45 Honorable mentions

42:00 Democrats should use “first in the nation” primary status to advantage

42:45 Democrats had 12 states submit for first in the nation status

44:45 Tennessee as first in the nation would be interesting

46:45 Tennessee’s electorate seems gettable for Democrats eventually

49:00 Democrats have a major problem come 2032 if they don’t address it now

49:45 Ask Chuck

50:00 Thoughts on moving from network to independent journalist?

54:15 How to avoid being fatigued by the news and keeping hope alive?

54:45 Trump threatening troops to protect Iranians while attacking Minnesota?

59:30 What’s your take on NIL & transfer portal in college football?

1:04:00 Basis for your confidence in Jon Ossoff & thoughts on Auburn coach?

1:08:30 What issues will be top of mind for voters leading into midterms?

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Transcript

Chuck Todd's introduction

Speaker 1

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Trump sold American foreign policy to UAE for personal gain

They're happy Wednesday and welcome to another episode of the Chuck Podcast. Let me give you a quick little rundown of what to expect in today's full episode. I will have an answer to the question that I get more often than any other will the mid terms happen? But I want to explain it in such a way that kind of builds off of what we talked about on Monday. I will get to that in a minute. So going to have my top five list, and this one has to do with thought. I'm calling Project twenty thirty two

for the Democratic Party. I'll just leave that little tease at that, and you'll get an idea of where I'm going to go with my top five list on that, and of course we'll take some questions and go from there. All right, So let's go back to the to this exercise. I want to do it, and it wants to I want to build on the story we talked about on Monday,

Story was jaw dropping, but was completely overshadowed

but try to explain why why it's disappearing, and I'm going to lament why it's disappearing because I don't think it should be disappearing, and try to sort of help you discern, you know, which one of these alarming stories. How much worry about Trump's alarming rhetoric versus his alarming deeds. So look, if you listen to Money's episode, you know I spent a good chunk of time slowing things down, walking through a story that I think is easy to

miss in this current information ecosystem. I knew that this didn't have easy visuals to show bells and whistles, But what I really believe is that this is the worst sort of this is the worst corruption scandal we've ever had involving an American president. It's bigger than teapot doma bigger than Watergate. And I know, because we're so numb

to Trump's transactionalism, we just don't see it, right. But that's why I wanted to walk through the details very deliberately, because it's incredibly important.

Speaker 2

And it was.

Speaker 1

Of course, I'm referring to the Wall Street Journal story, the report about how Sovereign Wealth Fund of UAE investments into a crypto company that really wasn't going anywhere for Trump that suddenly became relevant. It led to a change in America in the States of America's policy on AI

Trump's threat to federalize elections broke through over corruption

and chips, and of course led to a pardon of a very controversial figure in the crypto world. And all of it happening while Trump was receiving hundreds of millions of dollars in cash Trump.

Speaker 2

And his family.

Speaker 1

Now, the story didn't have dramatic visuals, and it wasn't easy to villainize somebody in a moment. It was a dense it was. It's a story that requires some patience.

Speaker 2

In some ways.

Speaker 1

As I said, right, you need a you need to either the Whiteboard on a Beautiful Mind or clar Danes and Homeland to sort of see how everything is connected. And I really believe that it was the most important story of the weekend and really something that that should be seen. You know that every congressional reporter should be asking every member of Congress about it, right, that type of story to sort of get Congress off its ass

Should you worry about what Trump is saying, or what he's doing?

and start worrying about whether presidents are following the Constitution. But then the rest of the Then the rest of Monday happened.

Speaker 2

Right.

Speaker 1

You had the Dan Bongino podcast that the President did where he mused about federalizing elections, which, of course that quick comment coupled with the video footage of the bizarre Telsea Gabbard leven FBI rate of Fulton County in Atlanta with the twenty twenty ballots, and boom, right, you instantly had a bit viral of a feeding frenzy on a specific story.

Speaker 2

You know, by.

Speaker 1

Tuesday morning, you wake up and it's Kennedy Senator has been Kennedy Center. He's just canceled it, shutting it down for two years. Again, a shiny metal object story became the lead of the day, and oh, by the way, the government was shut down, so we had to reopen that and all of it, shoving what is the perhaps the biggest scandal in American history further and further and further down the information ecosystem ladder. And of course, the

Trump is desperate to sell the lie that he won in 2020

sudden burst of rhetorical crazy from Trump involving the midterms led to a whole bunch of questions that I regularly get from both listeners, viewers, and friends and family starting to panic, you know, is is he going to cancel the midterms? And it always leads to this, because how anxious should we all be right now? And you know you can and I get it right? Are things collapsing? Is this different? Is Trump actually serious this time? What guardrails are left that could stop him on this? So

here's what I want to do. I don't want to hype your anxiety, and I don't want to dismiss it either.

Election inference rhetoric can be as powerful as election interference

What I want to try to do is organize it, because one of the biggest mistakes we make in moments like this is confusing volume with importance and mistaking what feels scariest for what's actually doing the most damage. It goes to the original trope with Trump, you know, right, you know, which is you know, do you take them literally or seriously or both?

Speaker 2

Right?

Speaker 1

And in this case, what I would say is should you worry about what he's saying or should you worry about.

Speaker 2

What he's doing?

Speaker 1

Now, of course I would argue the answer is yes to everything. And that's what we're going to get to.

So let's start with the story that everyone understands. Immediately, Donald Trump goes on a podcast muses again about federalizing elections, which of course you know, reminds people of him musing about just I wish I could cancel the midterms, and almost simultaneously, right when you play that, you have your file footage, right, so if you see this on video, you could just show the weird Tulsa Gabert thing and the striking images out of Georgia of federal agents executing

a raid connected to election materials from twenty twenty. You know, we're at nearly six years later. We've had multiple elections in Fulton County ever since. I mean, I sort of look at what he's doing is laughable. I think it's silly,

Trump shutdown Kennedy Center because he was being humiliated

but it's also very serious. Right, we know he's desperate to continue to sell this lie that he somehow was illegitimately thrown out of office in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2

So Trump talks.

Speaker 1

About overwriting elections, and then all of a sudden, you see federal agents seizing ballots. Right, the great fear that so many people have. So you don't need a constitutional law degree to fill your stomach drop. That is scary. Rhetoric plus visuals, threat plus spectacle. It's an easy story to tell. It fits in a tweet, it fits in a cairn, and it fits in your nervous system, and it rides the algorithm. Now, let me be very clear. The rhetoric is not harmless. This isn't normal, and it

shouldn't be normalized. Election interference talk is as damaging as election interference itself, and using federal power to intimidate state workers matters a great deal.

Speaker 2

So I don't want to I'm.

Speaker 1

Not trying to minimize what he has said or what he has done. But here's what I want. I want you to understand, and I want to make this clear

Trump was losing control of Kennedy Center narrative, made a spectacle

because it's essential. What feels existential is not always what's most consequential. So these two events, the rhetoric and the raid, landed together. They functioned together. They were consumed as one narrative event. It almost doesn't matter which technically came first, right, the raid itself or his rhetoric to Bongino, the meaning

formed through proximity and imaging. Right, that's how political narratives work now, thanks to these algorithms, thanks to these big tech companies that control the flow of information that you and I get to see. It isn't done through chronology or nuanced but through what shows up next on your screen. And that's why this story dominates. It feels like democracy itself is on the line, and it animates a lot of people. But feeling existential isn't the same thing as

actually being the thing that does the most lasting damage. Now, let me talk about the Kennedy Center here. First glance, Trump's moved to effectively just shut down the Kennedy Center unilaterally under the guise of renovations. I see why some

Trump has turned America into a kleptocracy, THAT should be the story

see it as cultural authoritarianism, and symbolically, sure, it's pretty ugly, and if it's a broader pattern of treating institutions as enemies and loyalty tests. But then the context of all this matters, right, and I think it tells us something pretty important about how Trump actually operates. So why did he shut this down? This wasn't a first strike, This

was a reaction. He was being humiliated right. Artists were pulling out, performers were canceling, events were unraveling quietly but visibly. The reputational damage was happening big time for Trump. Right the minute Trump touched the Kennedy Center got involved. Everybody wanted out. The opera wanted out. People, every classical, anybody with any level of integrity wanted in. The art community wanted out. And it was humiliating the Kennedy Center. It

was humiliating Trump. Right. So Trump wasn't dominating the story. He was losing control of it. So what does he do? This is a classic Trump He flips the script. Instead of having to deal with they're rejecting me, which is what they are doing, it becomes I shut it down, and instead of absorbing a thousand small acts of descent, he creates one big spectacle. Instead of reputational damage accumulating quietly, he centralizes the conflict and reframes it as Trump versus

the culture. Right, it's just simple spin, right, And notice what happens when he does that, right, The story becomes

The corruption story disappeared from news cycle after a couple days

about Trump's power, Trump's move Trump's dominance.

Speaker 2

Can he do it? Is it legal?

Speaker 1

The stories of the cancelations fade, the accountability dissipates, and the noise replaces the consequence. This matters because it's the same dynamic we're seeing everywhere else, which brings me back to Monday.

Speaker 2

Right.

Speaker 1

While George and the Kennedy Center sucked all the oxygen out of the room early part of this week, the story I walked through earlier in the week is already fading. And that should worry us more because that story, the fact that Donald Trump has turned America into a kleptocracy for his personal enrichment, that's the story that ought to

Editors lean on stories that get more traction rather than importance

be alarming everybody because he's already doing it, and he's already done it. He has taken these payments, he has enriched himself. This isn't he might he's thinking about. He's doing. This is stuff he's done.

Speaker 2

Okay.

Speaker 1

Foreign sovereign wealth flowing into Trump linked enterprises, policy decisions, especially around AI chips and crypto, suddenly aligning with the private financial financial upside, pardons, permission, an access, all moving in parallel, And as I said, the journal never says it was a quid pro quo. But all you have to do is look right. The modern corruption doesn't look like a brown paper bag anymore. It looks like timing,

proximity and mutual benefit. Each step defensible on its own and technically legal in some sort of byzantine way of looking at it, but it is damning when taken together, and it is illegal when you realize it's being done

Some of the guardrails still work, some of the time

by the president of the United States, and violation of the Constitution. And here's the moment that really sort of crystallized all this for me. So on Tuesday morning, I was scanning my usual mountain of newsletters right bias. You know, lots of good ones out there, lots of mediocre ones, but I read a lot of them good faith actors, smart people, outlets that are deeply focused on democratic norms. And the foreign policy story was gone from a couple of them that I was shocked to see it gone

on from. But the election rhetoric that was everywhere, the midterm anxiety that was dominant. I mean, my friend Bill Crystal, who does the Morning Shots newsletter for the Bullwork on Tuesday, not a single mention of this Wall Street Journal story anymore. Look, they did a lot on Monday, but they were obsessed

After two deaths in Minneapolis, Trump backed down a bit

with the midterm issue. Ditto with playbook had nothing on that had a slew on the midterm issue. We all know how this stuff, right. Some stuff travels more, some stuff rides the algorithm right, and the way the independent media landscape works, a lot of editorial folks examine what's getting attention what isn't, and they may lean more heavily on the stories that are getting more traction, even if there are other stories that are arguably more important. And

I'm not calling it. I don't think that's bad faith. I don't think it's corruption. But it is sort of how our information ecosystem is kind of doing exactly what

Trump does respond to political pain in polling

it's designed to do. It rewards stories that are visually immediate and emotionally legible and quietly pushes aside stories that are technical, slow and complicated it and might not be as gripping to as large enough of an audience. And that's exactly why the story of the creation of the American kleptocracy is much more dangerous. So it brings me back to the anxiety question and something I want to be very clear about. As alarmed as we all are

Trump didn't pick a sycophant for Fed Chair, cares about markets

by some of Trump's rhetoric and by the sense that there are no guardrails left. The truth is a bit more complicated, because what's interesting is every time we lament this idea that there are no guardrails, you start to see that some of them do work, not all of them, not consistently, but some of them some of the time.

And it's interesting for us to realize when they do work and when they don't work, and understanding which ones work and why is the difference, I think, between whether you should panic and whether you should view it as some sort of strategy. So let me give you two examples. First, there's Minneapolis after the killing of two Americans, and let's just say it took two American deaths for Trump to

Trump responds to three types of pressure

do this. Trump did something almost never does rhetorically.

Speaker 2

He back down.

Speaker 1

He sat down with Senate Democrats, he negotiated, He accepted the premise that they were going to shut down the government if he didn't negotiate constraints on ice.

Speaker 2

And he said, okay, right.

Speaker 1

Here's a guy that his critics consistently say, you know, doesn't listen to anything. There's no and he did on this one. So why was it because of norms? No, we know he doesn't care about norms. Was it because someone made a better constitutional argument to him, sorry? Or was it because the political costs suddenly became undeniable even for Trump? Right, public opinion has shifted dramatically on this issue. Republicans got nervous. The backlash wasn't abstract anymore, and it

wasn't just coming from Democrats that owned the Libs. It was measurable, and Trump does respond to measurable pain, at least political pain in poling.

Speaker 2

Look at the FED.

Speaker 1

We heard all the noise, the threats, the posturing, and then the choice came down to it. He picked Kevin Walsh, conventional, even market reassuring pick. He didn't pick a sickophan, a guy like Kevin Hassett, who might have been somebody who would have just yes, you know, been a yes man for whatever Trump wanted on interest rates. So why did

he do that? Well, one guardrail. He does seem to care about our markets, right, and he cares about what some donors think, his donors, and he certainly cares about what the elites that he interacts with think. So the guardrail wasn't the idea of FED independence. It was the risk of immediate, tangible financial consequences for him and his friends.

Worried less about Trump's election rhetoric than his foreign policy

So it's an interesting pattern that you've watched over. It's like, every once in a while he responds to a guardrail, but it's never that for the reason you want him to respond to a guardrail. It's for usually some sort of personal cost and personal nervousness. So it does seem as if Trump accepts pushback when when three conditions are met. First, the cost is immediate, it's not theoretical, it's not long term, it's immediate. Second, the backlash is something he sees poll numbers,

Trump doesn't have the power to override state elections

market drops, donor anger, maybe even a ratings issue. Right, it's not an editorial, it's not a whole bunch of statements, right. And if the pressure is across the board, right, lots of people and lots of different parts of his life going, hey, are you sure about this?

Speaker 2

Are you sure about this? Are you sure about this? Right?

Speaker 1

It's why he seemed to back down a bit on Minneapolis. And I know some of you're going to say he hasn't back down that much, But for Trump, he's back down.

Speaker 2

Right. What happened?

Speaker 1

You had Republicans saying, oh, whoall this went too far.

Speaker 2

The same with the FED.

Speaker 1

But all those reasons are also explained why it's so

Trump's election threats supercharge opposition turnout

hard for the formn policy monetization story to get legs. Because it fails those three tests, the costs are delayed. We won't see the impact of selling out American form policy, creating loopholes for China to catch up. We won't know this until after it's too late. The consequences are on a spreadsheet, and none of us like to read spreadsheets. And of course the backlash is a bit fragmented. There's no market crash, there's no single dramatic moment, there's no

image on cable news. Just a slow monetization of power, and we see it. We see it almost every week when he signs, when he releases the list of people he's and you start to go through it and you

Voters won't be the check on corruption, congress has to be

realize most of them were represented by friends of Trump, and he just was monetizing, helping them win fees from these rich crooks. And it also explains why I'm less worried about Trump's election rhetoric than i am about what he's doing in form policing. Elections in the United States are decentralized by design, States run them counties, administer. The diffusion isn't a weakness, it's actually a firewall.

Speaker 2

Right.

Speaker 1

Trump doesn't control it. Republicans quietly know he can't override it without detonating their own power. They can't do it. They'd have to pass Acts of Congress. There's so many different ways in order to make this happen. It's for it to happen, the Republican Republic would essentially have to collapse. We'd have to suspend the Constitution, and we're not and he doesn't have that kind of power. Ironically, I think politically,

Democracies don't fall from coups, they erode

every time Trump muses about interfering with elections, he doesn't suppress turnout, which I know is a fear some people have.

Speaker 2

He fuels it.

Speaker 1

He energizes opposition voters, he repels swing voters who just want to get rid of the chaos, and he deepened cynicism among his own base. So if you were trying to design the dumbest possible strategy heading into the midterm election, you'd be hard pressed to beat the one Trump is doing right now. Talk about if you're on the Democratic side of the aisle, you should want him talking about this. All it does is make it saved you money on get out the vote. Donald Trump is going to get

your base out to vote. And then he's sending a message that he thinks the whole thing is rigged anyway,

The scariest stories get attention, the most consequential get ignored

and he's sending a message to his own base that, you know, maybe he's sort of winking and nodding, don't worry, I'll rig it. So it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2

They're not going to show up.

Speaker 1

So, yes, the rhetoric's extraordinarily dangerous and I don't want to miss it, but it is institutionally constrained and politically incredibly self defeating. That's not the case with this foreign policy story. Congress is supposed to be the check here. The voters are never going to be the check.

Speaker 2

On this story.

Speaker 1

It's going to take them a while to get it. This Congress has shown no interest in investigating the leader of their own party, so that story is just going to keep going. He's going to keep selling foreign policy decisions to the highest bidder. Sometimes he'll do it right out in the open. Sometimes they'll do it quietly. I mean times it feels like Venezuela, and the oil is he's just doing it right out in the open. Most of

this he'll do out of view. So The point is this, No, I don't think the country's collapsing tomorrow, and no, I don't think elections are going to get canceled twenty six, But I do think we're watching something more subtle and more corrosive. Democracies don't usually fall from who's they actually erode. They look more like what happened, what's happening in Turkey,

what's happening in Hungary. They erode when corruption becomes complicated, normalized, and easier to ignore than the latest outrage, cultural outrage.

Speaker 2

You know, bad bunny.

Speaker 1

You know, pay attention to bad Bunny, but don't pay attention to the selling out of American foreign policy. So what Trump does say threatens democracy symbolically, but what Trump does corrodes it materially. And our information ecosystem, whether it intends to or not, keep steering us towards the loudest, scariest stories while the most consequential ones fade in the background. That's the real danger. It's not the panic, it's not the calm. It's miss placed attention and mist placed concern.

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Democrats will lose seats & electoral votes after 2030 census

a new round of panic among Democrats and liberals about how the electoral college map in twenty thirty two after the twenty thirty census is going to become a disaster for the Democrats because the power shift essentially, you know, the Democrats. You know, had Kamala Harris simply carried Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan in addition all the other states she carried, she'd have been right at two hundred and seventy by

twenty thirty two. The same configuration of states would have only gotten her to two hundred and fifty nine electoral votes. So basically, Democrats in the next census are going to lose a dozen base electoral votes, which means the Republican floor is going to go up about a dozen votes. Just to give you some technical numbers, Essentially, you've got Republican states Florida, Texas, Idaho, Utah that collectively are going to net anywhere from say ten to twelve congressional districts,

which means electoral votes. And then you will have a bunch of losses in the blue based states. Right, California in New York collectively are going to lose eight to nine. Throw in Illinois's going to lose another two, and then you're going to lose one each from Oregon and Minnesota. Never mind some of the swing states that you're gonna see somerom shifts in. Right, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin each lose one, but North Carolina, Arizona, and Georgia will each

gain one. So in that sense, the swing states the numbers are going to be the same, but it is going to mean that the Blue wall is not going to be the important thing. It's the Sunbelt purple wall that's going to matter. More of Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona are going to be at least as important, if not more important, than the trio of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, in Michigan. But that's just if you're sitting there, assuming the map

is what it is. Political parties are supposed to be dynamic organizations, and they, based on investments, can can try to take a base state from the other party and turn it into a swing state. Take a swing state and try to turn it into a base state.

Speaker 2

Right.

Speaker 1

Virginia and Colorado Democrats successfully took what were swing states and turn them into base states. Arguably, Republicans Florida and Ohio took what was swing states and turned them into base states.

Speaker 2

Right, So.

Parties can work for realignment & flipping states

Speaker 1

Political parties, right, you've got right Now, Republicans would love to take a swing state like Minnesota and see or a lean blue state like Minnesota and see if they can turn it into a swing state. Democrats have been amusing about the idea of taking Texas and making it a swing state, but now the project is more acute than ever for the Democrats. Now, look, I'm going to make one tangent real quick because those of you that

read me closely and listen to me closely. Know, I'm obsessed that the easiest way to fix this electoral You know that one of the ways we need to fix the electoral college unfairness is to not have a constitutional amendment but simply expand the House to the size that the founders intended it to be. Right, it is no

House of Representatives needs to be doubled in size

longer a representative democracy we have now. We now have every congressional districts the size of a major city, with about eight hundred thousand. They're too big, They don't they are not representative of communities of interest anymore. They're simply dominated by the most powerful faction within each of these congressional districts, and so they're not doing what the founders intended.

The House of Representatives was supposed to expand with the population of the country, and they did this every decade until nineteen twenty when there was a dispute between the two parties and then they locked it in at four hundred and thirty five. That is now why you feel like you live in a congressional district, likely where you feel like your member of Congress doesn't really represent the

day strict. They either represent to liberal part of the of the district over they sort of overrepresent the liberal part or overrepresent the conservative part. But there's but it doesn't feel like anybody represents right the district as a whole. So I want to set that tangent aside. So if you're the DNC and you're and you have leadership that is thinking beyond tomorrow, and I don't know if that's

the case, I say it. I'm not trying to be snarky, but you know, leaders of political parties are like general managers for sports teams. The fan base expects immediate results. They are not interested in you building a foundation that pays dividends in eight years, because that general manager won't

Base voters expect immediate results, leaders need to think long-term

even be there in eight years, just like that political party leader won't be there in eight years. So it

is the incentive structures are messed up. But that doesn't mean there aren't other outside entities that should be thinking about the following, which is, if the Democrats are suddenly have an electoral college majority problem, then they need to design what I call a project twenty to thirty two and decide they've got to put eight to ten They've got to invest in eight to ten states, and about

Democrats need a Project 2032 and invest to win 5-10 new states

half of them are swing states that they've got to attempt to make more reliably blue and or red states that they can put into the competitive category. They have got to expand the map, even though it doesn't look obvious that they can expand the map, so that long

wind up is designed. So if project with twenty thirty two's presidential election in mind, with the new map that we'll have, then I give you the top five list of states that the Democrats should be targeting now in an effort to keep them competitive on in the electoral college going forward. Top top because the political power that

ToddCast Top 5 states Democrats should be targeting NOW

California and New York, that sort of floor of support that at times made it seem like the electoral college, and this is something that always is cyclical. At times it looks like there's an advantage to the Democrats, at times looks like there's advantage to Republicans. Really it usually is who's winning the middle more often, right is, and who's got the larger base, And right now Republicans have

a slightly larger base than the Democrats. So with that in mind, I'm going to give you my top five lists of states that the Democrats have to invest in either because they need to try to make that state more reliably competitive, or they need to try to take a state and make it competitive.

Speaker 2

In the first place.

Speaker 1

So number one on the list is North Carolina. North Carolina by twenty thirty two is likely to be up to seventeen electoral votes. It's arguably should you know, it

#1 North Carolina

is trending the way we've seen with Georgia trending. It is younger, it's a bit more diverse, but it hadn't quite tipped yet, right, But it is one of the highest education to growth ratios in the state. Right, it's seven percent higher education than some of its neighbors. So you know, here they've they've got Virginia as a light blue state. Georgia is a model here. But North Carolina they have multiple markets. Charlotte, Raleigh, Ashville can serve as

anchors there. But the bottom line is they've they've acted while they are while they're competitive in North Carolina, they usually come up short. Right, It's sort of what Minnesota has been to the Republicans. And yes, Barack Obama carried North Carolina once and in that one year they won a Senate seat. And occasionally they win Senate seats just like Republicans occasionally win statewide. In Minnesota, there seems to be a hard cap of about forty eight percent in

most federal elections. Dido in Minnesota for the Republicans. Ditto for that in North Carolina. They've got to change that. And North Carolina has been a state that they you know, it's always like, was on the periphery of targeting in the swing state. Yeah, we're going to target North Carolina the same way they would say, yeah, we might target Florida back in twenty twelve and twenty sixteen, and sometimes they didn't.

Speaker 2

Sometimes they didn't.

Speaker 1

Now they've got to treat North Carolina the same way they treat Wisconsin and Michigan. It's got to be that that sort of you know, it's got to be treated on another level. So that's number one North Carolina. In some ways, I don't know if a Democrat's going to

get elected president without carrying North Carolina and Georgia. At the end of the day, you know, when you start to look at this in the way trend's going in the demographic makeup of the Democratic Party versus what we're seeing in the Republican Party aging in smaller populations, I suspect over time Pennsylvania, Wisconsin's going to start drifting right, which means Democrats have to figure out how to turn Georgia, Arizona, and North Carolina collectively into the new trio into their

You know, that's going to be the new wall, right. It's either a red wall for the Republicans that Democrats can't penetrate, or it becomes the building blocks of a Sunbelt blue wall. But either way, the anchor of it is likely North Carolina number two on that list. I think of targeting is a bit of a reach state, but it's Texas Texas more than Florida right now. It's

#2 Texas

I think the trend lines in Florida for some demographic reasons with the Latino population. In some ways, I think Hispanics are more gettable for Democrats in Texas than Hispanics are in Florida. They're more swing voter, swingy swing votery in Texas than they are in South Florida. So I think that when you start to just look at the numbers,

they're there. Texas is just getting a lot of new residents and any just like how Florida transitioned in the nineties from being a fairly reliable Republican state to becoming a swing state. First Clinton carried it in ninety six, and then of course it became the single most important state in two thousand, in two thousand and four. That's the sort of reasoning in rationale why Texas has to be a focal point. And the fact is, rhetorically the

Democrats have talked about Texas for a long time. They've never actually put their money where their mouth is. Maybe this year's Senate race, if it's indeed competitive, if Ken Paxton is the Republican nominee, that jump starts interest in it. But I would argue regardless, they have to treat Texas like a swing state even when it's not, in order to get that state comfortable supporting a Democrat by twenty

thirty two. It's not going to happen overnight. And that's why it's sort of like again, I go back, I have. You know, it is hard to get political parties to think more than a luncheon cycle ahead. That's not how the incentives work. But when thinking this far in advance, that's why Texas arguably is number two. Because it's going to be very expensive, and it's going to be and you just got.

Speaker 2

To plot along.

Speaker 1

Number three on my list is the state that I talk about all the time that it's a head scratcher

#3 Kansas

to me that Democrats really don't focus on it, and it's Kansas.

Speaker 2

It is.

Speaker 1

We've seen this now two different Democrat, two term Democratic governors over the last you know, sixteen of the last twenty four years have had Democratic governors, and they've won due to Republican overreach, but they've also won because you've seen you know, you have a growing you know, look, the biggest sort of deno way to find out if a state leans will inherently lean red or blue is you know, the number of college grads. Well, Kansas is one that in Kansas and Missouri are kind of going

in the opposite directions. You've got the growing suburbs of Kansas City in Kansas that have taken have basically taken what used to be a lean red district and turned it into a lean blue district. Both what Chaton Topeka are growing. You've got two big state schools in Lawrence and in Manhattan, Kansas and Kansas State. And so when you look at the sort of formula that Democrats have used to succeed in places like Wisconsin or Michigan, or let's see, smaller states are like Nevada.

Speaker 2

I could I could argue that Kansas looks more like that.

Speaker 1

Look there, I get the sort of the historical trends of Kansas, but Kansas is not as you know, Yes, there's MAGA in Kansas, but there's sort of this Kansas Republican that is different than the MAGA makeup as well. Where Missouri, you know, it's funny, Missouri feels more like a southern state and Kansas feels more like a Midwestern state.

And Democrats, I think right now have a better shot, particularly among white voters in the Kansas winning those folks over than they do winning the white voters of Missouri

#4 Georgia

number four on the list. Very similar argument to North Carolina.

Speaker 2

It's Georgia.

Speaker 1

Georgia is a state that you know, we're going to find out in twenty twenty six just how strong the Democratic Party is.

Speaker 2

Is this a state that just.

Speaker 1

Is competitive only when they have Rafael Warnock on the ballot, or is this a state that is going to be competitive now no matter what. And asof winning reelection would send one signal Democrats winning the governor's mansion would send another signal. So I think we're going to learn a lot about just sort of the health of the Democratic brand. How much is the marginal success Democrats have had in Georgia been just because of backlash to Trump or is

there is this starting to become durable. I think we're going to learn. But no matter what, again, because the math issue, right Georgia. When you think about how much money and resources over the decades have gone into Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina and number five on my list, Arizona.

Speaker 2

Three of those.

Speaker 1

Fights, they have to become just core states. Arguably now

#5 Arizona

they're as important, if not more important, than the blue Wall of the Midwest. This is going to be a red wall, a purple wall, or a blue sunbolt wall either way.

Speaker 2

So there's that.

Speaker 1

So three states that didn't make my list that I think deserve some investment in when you're looking at Project thirty two, Iowa, Indiana, in Florida, I think all of them. It's one of those where you want to get into

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a position where you're competitive in those states where you have enough because you need some buffers. You can't always have to draw this, you know, the perfect inside straight. And you know, if you want to expand the map for Senate seats, and you want to expand the map for more governor's mansions, you've got to give yourself buffers.

And Indiana, Iowa, and Florida, in theory, all have enough combinations of metro areas and suburban populations and some allergies to MAGA policies that collectively, in theory, should give the Democrats opportunity. Now, you know, it's interesting the Democrats in this in what should be a focal point here Project

twenty thirty two. And I'm at some point waiting for there to be an organization that's spun off just called this right, you know that some big donor decides to fund and just focused on voter registration programs things like that is when the Democrats decide what their early calendar looks like. And they just over the last week greenlit twelve states that plan to petition to be in the early primary window for president antil politics. If if the

Democrats should use "first in the nation" primary status to advantage

Democrats are thinking long term, they should be thinking about these four states as this decision as an opportunity to invest in Project twenty thirty two for them, how to strengthen their ability to get more a few more states in play expand the map, right, So I wanted to look at their twelve states and see where they overlapped with states that perhaps they need to strengthen in in order to give keep themselves competitive in a presidential by

twenty thirty two. So the twelve states they put in out of the east, it was Delaware, New Hampshire, Out of the midwest, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan. Out of the south, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, and out of the

Democrats had 12 states submit for first in the nation status

west Nevada, and New Mexico. So North Caro and the top five lists Georgia and North Carolina overlaps. You know, I think on the you know, I've said this before in the early state stuff, the bigger this day, the more ineffective that state can be at being sort of a fair fairness because with the bigger states then rewards those with big money. And both Georgia and North Carolina

are expensive states. So while I think you could argue this would this in theory, having them as early states, having more Democrats campaign in them all the time could serve to overtime invest them. I don't know if they're the best states to create a level playing field for those candidates with big money and those candidates that don't

have big money at the beginning. That would be the two negatives, right, just very expensive states to advertise in, but having them as early states where Democrats are just always traveling to those to what Georgia or North Carolina. Certainly, I think that is why Iowa state in the battle round, even though demographically Iowa looks like a state that should be darker red than it is.

Speaker 2

Iowa.

Speaker 1

Obviously, I think this is a way on the smaller state scale. I was disappointed to see that either ca anas didn't apply or there was no interest. I saw that Nebraska didn't do this either. So when you look at it, the only viable small states that applied for the early state window for the Democratic presidential primaries, with Iowa right. The other two in the midwester or Illinois Michigan again too big, too expensive, will only be there

to help the big name candidates. It doesn't really doesn't really work as a good early test where Iowa you have to campaign in rural parts of the state in order to win, versus Ellinois, Michigan you don't have to campaign in the rural parts of the state in order to win. The most interesting state that's on there that's got advanced for consideration to be in the early state window is Tennessee.

Tennessee as first in the nation would be interesting

Speaker 2

And I want to.

Speaker 1

Close with Tennessee because Tennessee is a state that has been a head scratcher to me. Twenty years ago. I thought Tennessee was going to go, was going to be a part of Georgia North Carolina. Right, you always said Florida was the first state in the sun Belt that became competitive, and then the question was, Okay, which ones are going to go next? And if you went by sort of socioeconomics, where we were seeing more people moving to right, Georgia North Carolina on the list, but so

is Tennessee. And Tennessee is actually moved become more Republican, not less Republican over the last twenty years. Is that going to continue? Does the growth of Nashville does that sort of the bigger it grows, the more it becomes sort of Austin meets Las Vegas, which then creates your sort of suburban and you just get more non sort

of cultural Southerners in your electorate. It's certainly something that I think a lot of US election observers have been waiting to see, and there's been very little evidence of it. I mean, you know, if this were happening Tennessee special in December, would have would have seen a flip, while we didn't see a flip. Right, it was a little bit more competitive, but it wasn't necessarily a flip. So you know, part of it is, you could say the

election lines. I do think Democrats have a Memphis problem in the state. Meaning Memphis is just it's just it's a city that is not as it's not what it was thirty years ago. It feels as if and there's this whether it's fair or not, this perception while it's a Democrat run city and it's poorly run and et cetera, et cetera. And Republicans have weaponized sort of Memphis a

long time to win elections. It's been sort of something they've done, been sort of a you know, Memphis has been used as sort of a code word for race.

Tennessee's electorate seems gettable for Democrats eventually

But when you look at the elector in Tennessee, you know, I know that if I if I were a strategist over at the DNC, I'd be thinking you know, yeah, Tennessee is a reached state. But here's a state that is that's got something in common with Virginia, something in common with North Carolina. You know, maybe more resources into

the state opened some doors here. I found, of all the of all the states that made it through in the top twelve, the one that you know, which one of these is not like the other, It was Tennessee.

But I'll tell you if you if you went back thirty years, a lot of US election forecasters would have said Tennessee was one of the states that we expected to start to sort of I think a lot of people saw the South sort of splitting into sort of you know, the South more Cosmopolitans south of quote New South right, and the sort of old South, deep South, however you want to describe it. And there was a you know, you had sort of your your Tennessee, your

North Carolina, your Georgia. You're Virginia in one area, Florida in one area, and then you're Alabama, your Mississippi, You're Louisiana, South Carolina in another area. So it is mostly broken along those lines, but not totally. In Tennessee has been interesting. I know, my friend Brad Todd has a lot of

theories there. He thinks that Tennessee Republicans have benefited from a lot of Midwestern refugees, if you will, sort of Midwestern conservatives who have left the higher tax states of Ohio, Illinois, Michigan and have not moved all the way south, but moved to Tennessee, a low income tax state. So he says, one of the ways you notice it is if you go in the suburbs, some of these suburban communities in Nashville on a fall Saturday, you don't see Tennessee flex.

He goes, you see a lot of Ohio, State, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana flex. So that's been It's an interesting anecdote. I think it's one worth processing. But the reality is this Democrats have a major problem on their hands come twenty thirty two, and if they start worrying about it in

Democrats have a major problem come 2032 if they don't address it now

twenty thirty one, it's going to be too late. So if they're going to launch Project twenty thirty two, now, let me go through it again. The five states they should be focusing on North Carolina basically the sun Belt, Purple Wall of North Carolina, Arizona, and Georgia, and then I'd throw in Texas and Kansas. They've got to expand their map, and then maybe you dabble in Indiana, Iowa, and Florida, and then of course we'll see what they

do about Tennessee. But if the party doesn't start thinking that way, they could get locked out of the presidency for a generation. That's how dire this population shift is from California, New York to Florida and Texas. Having good

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Speaker 2

We didn't have any money.

Speaker 1

He didn't leave us in the best shape. My mother,

Thoughts on moving from network to independent journalist?

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from NBC. Yes, it is feels feels like it feels like a decade. But anyway, I imagine you're happy with the move. Was there a moment that made you realize going independent was the right call? Or had you just done everything you set up to? Two in a broadcast, it's the roles you wish you tried, like foreign correspondent or local politics and any future plans you can tease maybe a check sports cast. Thanks Brian from New England. Well,

there's a fun little sports project I'm working on. I'll have more details soon ish, partnering with somebody that is probably very familiar to many of you in the sports space. I'm looking forward to it. But it sort of combines my love for sports in history. So I will throw that out there and leave that out there as a tease for you. But it's something that should be come into fruition in the next four to six weeks on that front. Look, I have I I have no regrets.

I miss I miss the collaboration, I miss some of my friends in colleagues. I ache currently for my longtime friend Savannah got three, who's going through just the worst, the worst experience imaginable.

Speaker 2

Right.

Speaker 1

You know, something happens to your parents, your kids, and they're just there's there's no there's no consoling that, and it's just heartbreaking. I know Savannah's mother a little bit. I love Nancy. She's just terrific. I hope by the time you hear this, she's home safe. So moments like this, you know, I miss, I miss just miss being able to be a be a friend on that.

Speaker 2

But I can always be a friend. I don't have to be an NBC to do that.

Speaker 1

But I'm just in pain for that, you know I have When you go on the regret front, you know some of my regrets, I I it's not really regrets. It's sort of like.

Speaker 2

I, uh, I leaned in.

Speaker 1

I should have jumped into certain to certain things, right. But I honestly, I'm pretty proud out of my work. I think it's aging. I think it's aging very well so.

Speaker 2

In that sense.

Speaker 1

And frankly, I feel like I got out at the time just before everybody else was being shoved out because of what's happening with corporate ownership of media. So in some ways I feel lucky to be in the independent

How to avoid being fatigued by the news and keeping hope alive?

space before it was cool. I feel lucky to get this opportunity to help really talented friends and former colleagues jump into these waters. As I say, it's a big cliff dive, but I promise you there's water there.

Speaker 2

And you know, I.

Speaker 1

You know, when you look back and realize this moment

Trump threatening troops to protect Iranians while attacking Minnesota?

that we're in with corporate owned media, I don't know. I think I was able to maximize everything that was possible under that situation. And you know that was as I was talking with an old friend yesterday, actually we were doing a little catching up and reminiscing and lamenting about what's happening to our friend's mom. And you know, he put it as like, you know, it's so different now that it's it's not even the same thing I worked. I don't recognize this network.

Speaker 2

I say, it is, no.

Speaker 1

This not me dissing them, it's just totally different, right, the separation from that, there's no cable channel anymore. They basically, you know, just reimagined, right, there's a real shrinkage of what NBC News is. And you know, I don't I know this. I wouldn't be happy under this circumstance, but you know, I wore the jersey, so I still root for him. I root for the individuals there because there's some good people still there doing some good reporting. I

just hope they're given the opportunity to do it all. Right, next one, let's see, he says, Hey, I rarely miss an episode and really appreciate how you approach issues with balance and thoughtfulness. You give me hope multiple times a week. My wife tells me this all the time. You have to get people hope, don't depress them too much. So I appreciate you saying that I sensed a bit of fatigue in your one twenty six episode, which is understandable

given the repetitive nature of our political chaos. Just wanted to say your perspective is helping thousands of us see the bigger picture and hold on to hope.

Speaker 2

Keep it up.

Speaker 1

Well, can I confess your You know I worried that I let.

Speaker 2

My fatigue show that night. I just was tired.

Speaker 1

I'd been traveling and doing all this, so I you know, my goal is to never let you see me tired.

Speaker 2

Trust me.

Speaker 1

I always have a cup of coffee going because I don't you know, I appreciate the sentiment, but you shouldn't catch that which you were correct, You caught me a little tired. Next question comes from Eric R. North Oaks, Minnesota with parentheses. Want to be Canadian Chuck?

Speaker 2

First time? Long time?

Speaker 1

Why isn't there more discussion about the contrast between Trump wanting to send you AUS troops into Iran to protect protesters while labying protesters in Minneapolis as domestic terrorists. Imagine if Canada crossed our border to defend US protesters, how would MAGA respond? The inconsistency is baffling, Eric, That's a terrific observation. I you know, I want to sit here and say, oh, well, you know this is apples and pairs,

and you know, no, it's a terrific observation. I think the second part, what if Canada sent in troops to protect protesters? It's you know, if you recall Tim Wallas was asked about bringing in the National Guard, and he seemed to think he was concerned that, you know that maybe the military confrontation.

Speaker 2

Is is is.

Speaker 1

The pretext that that Trump might be looking for and all that. So it's I, you know, I don't have. I don't have a lot to add to your comparison.

Speaker 2

It is.

Speaker 1

Now, can I just say something on Iran? Donald Trump is playing with America's credibility again, these Iranian protesters. It's just like he is messing with these Venezuelan. Venezuelan dissidents. You know what, the Venezuelan dissidents want, the democracy. You know what Donald Trump is not delivering a democracy. He is keeping right Maduro's number two in power because she is simply trying to buy time and is playing the

transactional game. And Trump, as long as he gets what he wants in regards to control and oil, he doesn't care about democracy. So I do think Donald Trump is telling us something about what he thinks of democracy by what he's not doing in Venezuela. The fact that this is not a priority. Well, if democracy is not a priority when you have an opportunity to make it a priority in another country, it's clearly not a priority for

him here. So that's the unfortunate takeaway. Now speaking of American credibility with the Iranian hostage of the Iranian protesters, you know, every time we make a promise and don't follow through, overseas a potential terrorist, future terrorist attacking the United States or a US entity only increases. Right, somebody who's fifteen protesting in Iran will see their parent killed and wondering how come the Americans didn't come. They said

they would come, but they didn't follow through. Their word

What's your take on NIL & transfer portal in college football?

means nothing. The impression that leads each time, right is it is to make a promise and then abandon is in some ways worse than not doing anything. But at least he didn't promise that you would. So look, it's a fair picture you're painting about, you know, the sort of protesters. But I think if we're really trying to understand, does he care about democracy or I think the actions in Venezuela say it all. And the lack of prioritization

of making this a democracy. There is a democratic elected government already ready to go, and the inability to acknowledge that is because for whatever reason, they haven't financially paid whatever price. I guess it needs to be paid to become to get this, to get the support of the United States for what the will of the people wanted.

But I also worry about you know, he's used a lot of hot rhetoric with these Iranian protesters, and we can debate whether American firepower should be used to protect these protesters or not. You know why in Iran but not in me and mar right why? You know, picking and choosing when we step in is always comes with that comes with a lot of problems long term. But making a promise not keeping it is in some ways

the worst possible outcome. Next question comes from Darryl. He says, longtime listener and fellow alum of Miami Killian and the University of Miami class in ninety seven. Hey, what you take on the current state of nil in college football and specifically Yum's approach to bringing established quarterbacks rather than developing talent from within. I worry this could push promising recruits like Darien Coleman to transfer and thrive elsewhere.

Speaker 2

Thanks and keep up the great podcasting. Darryl.

Speaker 1

You're not the only person worried about this. And I saw that the Hurricane.

Speaker 2

You know, I'd say, the.

Speaker 1

Hurricane fanatics like yourself and myself were pretty divided, right Like I was, I was weirdly not confident that we'd be okay if we didn't get a.

Speaker 2

Top notch portal quarterback.

Speaker 1

But that I'm like, all right, you know, we'll find a Ken Dorsey, We'll find a Steve Walsh. And what do I mean by that? Both Steve Walsh and Ken Dorsey did get a couple of cups of coffee in the NFL, and Dorsey became a coach, really and he's a really good coach. Steve Walsh, I think does some coaching in Minnesota, but neither one. We're sort of highly

touted NFL quarterbacks. But they had great offensive lines, they had great running backs and receivers, and they were I don't want to call them game managers, sounds like a negative.

Speaker 2

They were better than that.

Speaker 1

They were cerebral, they understood the offense and all that. So I certainly think that the way Miami has built this brother the way Mario wants to build, which is, you.

Speaker 2

Get as deep of.

Speaker 1

An offensive line and defensive line as you can, you get as many playmakers as you can, and then you know on receivers, and then you make it where it is hard for an average to above average to a great quarterback to fail no matter what level they're in. And so as long as we're building these powerful offensive lines, I'm not concerned about this, and I think that this quarterback. I mean, here's the thing. I mean, look at the top, look at all of the top top ten. Let's just

go through the top ten programs real quick. Ohio State last year won a national title with a portal quarterback. In the end of this year went to a national lad with a portal quarterback. Notre Dame was in the finals, lost the finals with a portal quarterback. Miami lost the finals with a portal quarterback.

Speaker 2

It is.

Speaker 1

Not you can do both. One could argue Georgia hasn't won a title because they stuck with Gunner Stockton when maybe they should have shopped for a portal quarterback. Is that what happened to Alabama?

Speaker 2

Right?

Speaker 1

Is you see LSU has had some success with portal quarterbacks. Texas has arch Manning. I don't even think that counts right on that front. But I think that, you know,

Basis for your confidence in Jon Ossoff & thoughts on Auburn coach?

you're assuming this is in Miami's control. I think until we get some sort of parameters around transfers and how this all works, the quarterbacks themselves are going to keep shopping because the paydays are there. Because you know, there's always one program that thinks they're a quarterback away from relevancy if some form or another and will overpay. So you're going to get more of these quarterbacks to get out of the portal and go in. And so do

I do? I, you know, think, Well, my guess is sixty percent of Miami starting quarterback until the system is sort of changed. If this is the system, that a majority of our starters will be quort of quarterbacks. But if there's you know, we'll find out, you know, what happens to how we recruit if we get a major injury, right, you know, there's also unforeseen issues that could pop up.

Speaker 2

That could end up.

Speaker 1

Forcing our hand, and we'll find out just how good our high school recruiting has been and our quarterback development has been. But I think as long as we're building an offensive line and whether it's making sure we have the best freshman and the best portal right like that is, then I do think you can plug and play quarterback. It's probably the only position I'm comfortable plugging in playing like that, But I think you can. Next question comes

from Heather from Decatur, longtime listener. I'm curious Illinois or Alabama. Heather, long time listener, appreciate the clear, nonpartisan analysis that helps me stay grounded in two days political climate.

Speaker 2

Well, thank you for saying that, Heather as.

Speaker 1

A Georgia native. I'm curious about your recent confidence in John Ossoff holding the Senate seat beyond the two flipped PSC races. Do you have other insights? I wear those results might be skewed since many Republican areas had fewer races on the like compared to Democratic strongholds. Thanks and war Eagle. Obviously it's decater Alabama. What you take on Auburn's new head coach. I love Auburn's new head coach, Alex GROLs. I think he's got a great story. I

don't know if you know it. I think he was if I'm not mistaken. He was born in Moscow in nineteen eighty four. Parents brought him over to the United States at the age of seven, became a football crazed, got into it, all that stuff, and he's bringing over a great quarterback and Byron Brown. So I you know, look, I've got Auburn fans of my and my family and two our closest friends and some of my closest relatives. Big Auburn fans. So I'm a I'm an Auburn apologist

in general. I've become I'm learning to become one. They still didn't deserve a shot at the national title over Miami in nineteen eighty three, Stephen, And I'll just leave it at that. But I'm bullish on him. I you know, I just hope the Auburn powers that we have patience, right, They're so inpatience nobody ever seems to get a chance

to build a program. But I think I like that they they're trying this, you know, instead of like trying the searching for Bobby, you know, in the obsessions with Bobby Petrino, or throwing cash at Lane Kiffin or doing something like that, right, seeing if they can get a guy from the level below, find their own Urban Meyer, right, who came at the time from the mid majors and then turned, you know, came in and helped make Florida power.

Speaker 2

So I would.

Speaker 1

I'm I am more bullish on him, and I'd like I'd like to see the South Florida guy do good on that front. Now, as for the other part of your question, John, assof what gives me this confidence, it's the weak Republican primary field as well. Right, so you throw a bunch of things. Number One, you know, Asofsun Andcoman has an enormous financial advantage. Number Two, the only can the I would argue, there were two candidates he had to fear, Brian Camp and Brad Rathensberger.

Speaker 2

Neither one of them are running.

Speaker 1

Three, you have the national climate and Georgia, clearly being a swing state, now seems to move in that direction. I agree with you, I I. It is not the margins. It is the result of the PSC races. Not necessarily even the margins that impressed me, because you're right, you

What issues will be top of mind for voters leading into midterms?

know you had you had to turn out differential that was huge. But the fact that you still got those huge margins says something. But it mostly goes this is a weak field. I think the strongest candidate will be Derek Dooley, but it looks like the likely opponent's going to be somebody with the first name of Congressman, which I think is an absolute gift because his biggest impetive, you know, in theory, being a part of the Washington Swamp is not good. But if you're a House Republican

people people don't like Congress. I think they hate the House more than the Senate, just generically, right. So I just think you throw all that together open governor's seat. No Brian Kemp leading the ticket either, right, his political machine just yes, it's helping Derek Dooley in that Senate primary. But I think when you throw all that together, and I was, you know, look, I thought as Off was the accidental senator when you know, sort of writing the

coattails of Raphael Warnock back and during those runoffs. You know, he's got a formidable He's always been formidable on raising money, and he works his you know what off, he works his us off off. I guess it's a to to try to create a Dad humor pun there. So yeah, that's I think this is I'm I'm inclined to right now. It's in lean dee to me until you show me proof that one of these Republicans can get the fifty percent plus one right now, I don't see it all right.

Final question of the day comes from Colonel Stephen Mitchell, the United States Air Force retired, and he writes says, good day, Check. I really enjoyed your January twenty ninth podcast, especially in the segment on Trump's poll numbers, it seems he's losing support from voters who backed him for economic reasons. But I'm unsure if the same is true for those

focused on the border. Given your polling expertise, what you take and aside from the economy, what do you think will be the top issue on voter's minds?

Speaker 2

Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Look, I think obviously you're gonna have economy one. I think there's the question I have is is there a do we create a bucket called sort of chaos or tumult right? Because ultimately, I think the reason why Trump won in twenty twenty four is because the perceived chaos Biden created at the border, in addition to sourness about the economy, like you needed sort of both things. I think sourness in the economy plus you know, is he intentionally dividing the country with ice?

Speaker 2

Right?

Speaker 1

It's not that the it's not that what he did on the borders unpopular. In fact, that's an important distinction.

Speaker 2

Which I which you're I think indicating that you understand about how you know.

Speaker 1

The danger for Republicans now is that the voters are pretty sophisticated in how they are processing the immigration issue. When you ask them about border security, they're impressed with the Trump administration. They're mostly approving. When you ask them about immigration, they see that through the prism of ice, not security anymore, and they don't like what they're seeing.

So I think the fact that that's been split right where it's an opening if a nimble Democrat knows how to take it, which is, Look, Biden was terrible on border security. I'm not going to let that happen again. And I'm glad to see what the Trump administration has done at the border, but what they're doing in our

communities across the country is outrageous, et cetera, et cetera. Right, So the point is that I think what it does provide is the Democrats an opening to look like, hey, I'm no Biden on the border, but I'm no Trump in harassing Americans either. Right, It's a way to differentiate yourself from the Democratic brand on a negative aspect of the border and at the same time being able to differentiate yourself and show empathy and compassionate about what's happening

in places like Minneapolis. So that's where I think that there's a real problem now for Republicans on this issue, and why so many of them are starting to whisper loudly that Stephen Miller's a problem, that he is creating a narrative, creating a perception about Republicans. It's going to be hard to overcome in many of these places. You know, maybe the base is happy, but that is it on

this stuff. But when you're asking about other issues, look, I think obviously economy anything that's you know, so do you consider healthcare and economy issue? I kind of do, right, So I think that's there. If Democrats let me do this, let me flip the question here. If Democrats have a huge night, it isn't going to be because they only won on the economy. If Democrats have a huge night, it means they got the corruption issue into the mind of the swing voter, that they found a way into it.

Maybe they did it via exhaustion, you know, the Trump chaos idea. Look what he does at the White House, Kennedy centers selling foreign policy like lumping it all in together. But you know, I think the difference between Democrats having a good night in November and having an incredible night in November is their ability to take these various gross, corruptive, uncomfortable stories and figuring out how to package it as

one right. COVID helped paint a picture of you know, all the Trump chaos and it led to this right, And so that's why that messaging was was pretty easy to get him out of there.

Speaker 2

If you know it.

Speaker 1

It's sort of I'll be curious to see how they do it and if they can do it. But my point is is that it's one of those if I'm in a coma, If I go in to coma to my and I don't wake up till day after election and you tell me they won six Senate seats and thirty House seats, I'm like, oh wow, the corruption issue

must have played. That would be my initial instinct. So I don't know if it's going to play, but I think this is one of those for them to go from good to great, they need to figure out how to get the corruption issue to be easy to digest and something the quote check on Trump rite the check on his power, you know it is. It is the

path for them to get to that messaging. But you need to make the case that he's corrupt and that this corruption is happening in order to do it, and we'll see if they're able to pull that off.

Speaker 2

All Right, there you go.

Speaker 1

That does it for me on a Wednesday, Man, I got to this is a political junkies, junkies episode trying to explain this is like the old hotline for me. Little media narrative explanation, a little historical comparison with Teddy Roosevelt, a little electoral scoreboard in college strategizing for twenty thirty two, plus this, and somebody's asking me whether you know what do I miss about NBC at this point?

Speaker 2

Nothing?

Speaker 1

This, This is this is the broadcast, the type of broadcast I've always wanted to do. So I appreciate you listening, appreciate your support. I can subscribe, don't forget to use all the codes from our advertisers, and with that, I'll see you in twenty four hours

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