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Programme, UARP isn't it, yes. So we met you through there and obviously we spoke to many people from Martin Sutton and Kate Miso, we had some great artists from there, all very interesting, all of a very high standard as well and you're just the next to them that we come and interview, we've never met a bad one yet so there we go.
So let's start at the beginnings always good before you met them of course let's start at the beginning let's talk about you growing up as a as a kid we're saying what sort of music were you listening to at home what what was being played at home what are your parents into because a lot of it is guided from what is in a record collection or CD collection at home so what was in that collection that might have started you on your journey? So it was a really eclectic
mix. My mom was a big Who fan. My dad was into Bowie and like everything from like Bowie to Stevie Wonder to Van Halen. So it was a big mix. But yeah, I think it all influenced me in some sort of way. I think it's safe to say that. But again, at this stage, I know stuff about you that they don't yet about your music. So yeah, okay. So when you got to becoming a teenager and stuff like that, I mean, at what point did you decide you want to be a singer -songwriter?
Does that go right back to being a kid as well? Were you doing it back then? Yeah, so my first performance I did, I was four and I did a duet and it was a song called My Teddy Bear and it was like my kindergarten graduation thing, like pre -K. So that... sort of started the spark. I was always performing from that point on, like doing in America, they call it NISMA. It's like a school program where you like learn songs and
then perform them and get graded on it. But yeah, I was always in choirs, always in music groups, band, stuff like that. And then when I turned 13, I was in and out of rock bands from that point to now. Now in your press release, quite interestingly, we do nothing, there's nothing tabloid about Chatterbox, I promise you. I thought
you'd do that anyway. um but i'm quite interestingly i've never never had to press release quite saying this so uh you you describe yourself as uh non -binary and unapologetically queer uh which is which is a great statement no one's in any confusion like that um just to um avoid any ignorance on my part it would be ignorance i promise you uh non -binary i believe is when you don't associate with any gender at all but i don't know could you explain what that statement is non -binary
binary and I think unapologetically queer is probably quite explainable. But if you could put that in your words, because this is your press release, I know you're happy to talk about it. So let's hear it from you. Yeah. So what they refer to as like the gender binary being male, female, non -binary is the sort of alternative to that where you don't subscribe to either gender.
You can then be like. and like there's many it's like a umbrella term so like within non -binary you get gender non -conformists and other stuff escapes my mind right now but it's all just sort of yeah the the alternative to the sort of male female binary okay does it go more depth from that or you just or you just plod on with life and it's not one thing or the other and you just get on and write your songs and that's it and you're happy with it. Is that how it is or how
does it work? I mean I put my socks on one foot at a time but in the other reason I'm like outspoken about it is because I feel like visibility is really important for the queer community and gender non -conformists like myself and I feel like it is a relevant sort of colouring to my music because it's my unique experience navigating life this way, you know? Do you think it's something that people need to be educated about a bit more
or do you find people are in shock? It makes no difference to me, I needed it explained a bit more, but yeah. I mean, do you feel you're there speaking on behalf of the community, perhaps? I mean, not really, like, It's more for me, it's just about awareness. It's about like, being there for the other non binary kids and the other queer kids who are, you know, maybe going through things but not identifying with sort of mainstream
songs because they're not written. It'll be like, I'm writing about a boy and I'm a girl or I'm writing about a girl and I'm a boy and this sort of is like a statement of I'm writing about a person to another person who could or could not be queer and, you know, this may be your experience, you know what I mean? It's basically just... just open it so it's not particular. It's quite
nicely put isn't it? Do you find though, before we move on, because we're here to talk about you as an artist and your songs that you sent me, do you find most people would be perhaps, I would class it as ignorance on my part, that's why I've had to ask you, do you find most people are actually ignorant or do you find their bit, oh my god no that's not right, I mean which is the most common, is it the ignorance? I hope it's the ignorance, but which do you think is
the most common with people? I'm sort of in a little like when I go and play shows and stuff like that and like talk to people I find mostly that I'm sort of in that queer community like in a little bubble so I don't really need to like explain it that often like usually they come through with like I've heard you through the network of like the great kind of other queer people so they don't really ask me about that kind of stuff, but this is the first major. big
interview I've ever done, so. Let's hope we don't listen from it, but obviously be prepared. I mean you put it in your press release, which is great, so be prepared to be asked, but I mean that was an important point. An important point to clear up, and you're quite, how do you not put it in there? I wouldn't be asking you, of course. No, absolutely, and I'm glad to speak
about it. If you just said you're unapologetically clear, that's good enough, we know what that is, but that we've opened something different up so from people that are unapologetically straight I don't know what the word is but no um yeah it's good we've learned something I hope a lot of people at home have as well so that's uh ask a lot of questions where it's not all shock oh my god that's not right that's it sort of yeah and I you know I think music brings people together
of all different walks of life you know what I mean so I think it's important to represent like where you're about where you're at and just be open with people fantastic fantastic right okay so i've got an email off you some time ago last year and uh uh through the uh uarp which is the ultimate artist release program from martin sutton and cat amy fantastic really uh uh that's i said off there they've as well Everything they
bring out is fantastic. I'll always listen to anything that anybody says that they've come from there. I will always listen to it because I know it'll be good. They're so nice as well. Martin is at the top of the music business. He's at the top there. He really is right up there. And I just love the name Cat Amy. It's just a lovely name. So how did you find out about the Ultimate Artist Release Program and how did you
get on it? Yeah. I jumped on Google and I was looking for songwriting courses to like sort of better my craft. And I clicked through a bunch that were like more like college courses and they weren't like what I was really looking for. I was looking for something a little bit more in depth, a little bit more. like accredited by like somebody in the industry, not like somebody
who's like a professional teacher. And then I found Martin through, you know, going through Google pages and yeah, I was just sold immediately. So I signed up. And how long did it take you to turn your song around to actually getting it out? Really not that long. It was like a couple months of learning more and more about songwriting. I had already had the song recorded like sort of bare bones. Yeah. And then we went through it together and we remixed and we revamped and
edited things as we went along the program. So it was it was really a really good program. I can't say enough about it. Fantastic. And your debut single was called Stay. What is... I've got your press release here. I'm cheating, Barb. I'm asking on behalf of somebody listening at home. What's the influence of Stay and what's
it all about? So Stay is sort of this... If you've ever been in an unrequited love sort of situationship, kind of where you are asking the person to sort of like, for lack of a better word, stay with you despite any sort of adversity. So especially being queer that came into play early on is actually about a real life scenario where I was very young. I was about 14 and I wasn't closeted. I was out as a lesbian. Um, at that point I wasn't identifying
as non -binary and, um, yeah. And I was interested in this girl who was in my class and she was in the closet. So she was like, you know what I mean? It was like a secret unrequited thing.
And, uh, she was like, well, you know, I would be with you, but I have a boyfriend and, you know, it's like a beard and, you know, and, um, there was a lot of will they won't they sort of tension and that's where it came from yeah okay right so okay i hope it had a happy ending but i've got a feeling if the song came out of it quite possibly not so but it made a great song it made a fantastic happy ending is that we got we got the song out of it so you know
Through every experience, you get some sort of payoff eventually. Cool, yeah. And of course, the debut single, as I said, was called Stay. And as an artist, it is called itself Hot, H -A -R -T -E. So that's available for download. And you all like it and download it. So that'd
be pretty good. And Tutu present a radio show So here's Nick and Sue Your musical duo This is Nick and Sue with Chatterbox Giving you all you need to know about musical entertainment Chatterbox Chatterbox Chatterbox Chatterbox Chatterbox Chatterbox Chatterbox Is there anymore songs in the planning? Yeah, so I've got another song out sort of the end of last year. It's called Used and it sort of picks up where Stay left off. And it's sort of about, you know, I'm very
literal with my song titles. They're very, you get the whole gist from the title, but It's about feeling used, you know, by an ex -partner and how you sort of cope. And it's sort of like a little anthem saying like, you know, screw you to whoever treated you poorly, let's say. Is there anybody you'd like to sing with? Oh, lots of people, especially probably Youngblood. Right now, I'm a big Youngblood fan, so yeah, I would love to. Youngblood got mentioned only a week
ago also. And also, I interviewed somebody by myself the other week who's supporting Youngblood. Oh, cool. She's supporting Youngblood over here. I thought, oh, wow. So there you go. Youngblood is the artist of the moment. Yeah, brilliant. I like that. Okay, so. What is next? What do you got planning next? Because a singer songwriter never stops. I mean, you must have ideas all the time. So what's the next release going to
be, do you think? I've got a few songs recorded, so I'm sort of still deciding which one to put out next. But it might be. Maybe Death Proof, which is sort of. Yeah, thank you. It's a song about. like my friendship like with one of my closest friends and how through the friendship and through the time that we met in our life, we were doing our masters and we were going out
a lot and going clubbing and stuff. I just felt like impervious to any sort of harm like we had like a really good like You know magnetic friendship that just launched us both forward to do more insane crazy stuff. So Yeah Also, let's what about doing live stuff You know performing live doing gigs and that and stuff. What about that
side of things? so I'm working with a an MD and he's Dealing with like the sort of like transitions in my set and try to make it really like professional I've not got too many gigs booked that are electric like full band gigs. I'm just doing acoustic stuff right now, but Yeah, big plans for the future this year. Absolutely At the moment, is it just in your city? Are we looking at touring around? Or are you, when you say big plans, does that mean coming over here and seeing us and
doing something in the UK? I assume you're based in the US, are you? Is that right? No, no, I'm based in Leeds right now. Wow, that's not a Yorkshire accent, I know that. So could we expect to see you? Well, we're down on the south coast by Hastings, near Brighton. Well, Brighton's a very interesting city. So could we expect you, it's only 30 miles along the coast, could we expect to see you performing in Brighton, maybe? No, absolutely. Yeah. It's
definitely on my radar. But as of right now, I think the next couple of cities I'm looking at would be Leeds itself, Edinburgh and London. But Brighton's definitely someplace I'd love to play. It's up there, isn't it? It really is. It's such a great city all round. And it is always referred to as London by the sea. Yeah. It's got everything. It has. It's got everything. It's just, yeah, what a buzz. All round. Yeah, absolutely. All round. OK, so that could all
be this year, could it? Hopefully. Yeah, it's all just tied up in, you know, funds and, you
know, yeah, just. affording it so keep in touch and do make sure we get the press releases when you're doing this stuff so when you are on the road well hopefully you've not just done that hopefully got leads edinbury it doesn't have to be bright because we are uh international as a show uh but hopefully if you've got three or four places you mentioned edinbury you mentioned leads london I said hopefully Brighton as well but regardless that'd be enough to get you back
on for another interview and chat about you getting on the road so we can see the next. You're an artist I'd like to stay in touch with as we speak to you as your career develops so it's just an update. We're still in contact with some of the artists from Martin Sutton aren't we? Some of the artists but yeah in fact one I promote so there you go. I've got a question to ask you then you do not have to answer it but you mentioned something earlier You said you had, is it schizo
disorder? I can't remember. Schizo effective disorder. Yeah, yeah. How does that affect your music career? Does it help or does it hinder? It means that I take like a little more breaks than most other artists, because I find it quite emotional and cathartic to write music. And then at other times I find it a little overwhelming. you know, difficult to process, but schizoaffective disorder is, it affects like 0 .3 % of the population.
It's sort of an offshoot of schizophrenia. And it's usually linked with like a mood disorder, either bipolar or depression. I have the depressive type. Um, so like it does get me down at times, but it also influences my music quite heavily and, um, makes me a more, I guess, like dynamic individual. And I get to write from a lot of different perspectives that I think a lot of people could benefit from or, uh, relate to. Thank you for that. Brilliant. So you say it
influences the music. Can you say it helps as well helps you with, you know, with the depressive side of things and that does it actually help
as well? Yeah, I think it like going through so when you're getting treated for schizoaffective disorder It's a combination of psychiatry and therapy and I think it's made me more introspective and like aware of my feelings to go through talking therapies and um oh sorry that's my dishwasher uh yeah i think it's just made me more self -aware and and that self -awareness really translates to the lyrics of what i'm doing and yeah it helps but the best therapy of course is talking and
music of course yeah absolutely no matter what the situation is it is Okay, well that's fantastic. Let's hope you have another chat this year. Let's see how you progress, but keep in touch. Yeah, please keep in touch. It would never be as slow as it was this time. I had you in the back of my mind and then I thought that's an interesting one. I think I had about two months worth of interviews and bearing in mind it's a two hour show and it can be three or four interviews sometimes,
between two and four we say. What's the artist's name? What's the Northumbria one's name? Then somebody else wrote from The Ultimate Artist. I thought, yes, it came. And then I thought, yes, UARP. Then I tapped in that. And then up you came from September. Oh, cool. It was actually another one. So yes, I do apologize. But every so often I kept thinking. Why was that non -binary? I really want to get them on, it's interesting. I really want to get them on, you know, and I
like the song. So honestly, it was more to do with it taking so long. What the hell, they're bloody cold. How are they cold? Because I get thousands of dollars a week, you see. No, I totally get you, yeah. So it was meant to be, and I'm glad it was, so keep the press releases coming. Yeah, thank you. Before we let you go, Social media, you've got loads of it here. Let's do a website, whatever, let's do that. Probably most of it can be linked from there, but yeah,
let's do the social media. Cool. So my website is heart, h -a -r -t -e dot rocks. Yeah, I thought it was cool, so. Yeah. And then my personal Instagram, which I'm mostly on, is Rin Makes Music. But I've also got Heart Makes Music, so it's all very uniform, same across TikTok. Yeah, so if you wanted to find me, that's how you could. Yeah, well, I dare say the website has links to virtually everything, but I can see here,
you're on Spotify, YouTube, TikTok. Yeah. Basically, you're pretty good on social media, aren't you, really? Yeah, I'd like to think so. Yeah, I think so, but here it all is, actually. Well, I was looking. And we wish you all the best with your music career, okay? Yeah, for success with everything, Rin. So, yeah, at least be safe for now. Rin Heart, okay, Heart, thank you so much for coming on Chatsbox. No, it was a pleasure. Thank you so much. Really great meeting you. You take care,
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